June 9, 2025 • 37 mins
Comedian, author, and multihyphenate powerhouse Phoebe Robinson joins The Bright Side for a no-holds-barred conversation on building a creative legacy, growing through rejection, and proving yourself right—on your own terms. From Two Dope Queens to Tiny Reparations Books, she shares what it really takes to make space when no one hands you the blueprint—plus her hot takes on hobbies, Pedro Pascal, and Sex and the City.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Today on the bright side. What do you do when
the world tells you to stay in your lane, but
you've got ten ideas, two podcasts, a book deal, and
your own publishing imprint. If you're a writer, comedian and
actor Phoebe Robinson, you build your own highway. This conversation
is your permission, slipt to laugh your way to the top.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Just prove yourself right. It's not even proving them wrong,
because that's centering them.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I don't want to center them. I want to center myself.
This is my work. This is like what I want
to do. This is what makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Prove myself right that I was correct to believe in myself.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright side from
Hello Sunshine, Oh, get ready to have a good time today, Bessies.
I've always been drawn to artists who do a little
bit of everything and still make it look effortless. And
our guest today Phoebe Robinson. I mean, she's kind of
the blueprint. She's one of those rare people whose comedy
disarms you, her pop culture hot takes make you cackle,
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and her career moves quietly rewrite the rules for what's possible,
especially for underrepresented voices in entertainment. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,
best selling author, podcaster, producer, actor, and the founder of
her very own publishing imprint, Tiny Reparations Books. But what
I find so compelling about her isn't necessarily those accolades
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and credits or her resume. It's how she's navigated building
this public life and this incredible creative legacy with humor, vulnerability,
and zero interest in being anyone but herself. Phoebe and
I actually met many, many years ago. This was earlier
on in our career journeys. So I'm really excited for
you to hear this conversation today because it honestly feels
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a lot like a catchup and a full circle moment,
and you'll hear how real she is about some of
those really tough moments that come between a no and
a yes, that come between rejection and validation. And also,
if you follow her on social media, yeah, you know
she's obsessed with sex and the city, as am I.
So if you're a fan of that universe, you are
(02:05):
going to want to stick around to the end, I
promise you. Okay, get ready, y'all, this one's a ride,
Phoebe Robinson, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Hello, Hello, I like your sweaters very cute, very cute.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Do you know where I got it? I got it
in one of those tourist shops, like twenty minutes ago. Ah. So,
Phoebe and I first met probably about a decade ago,
when I was a reporter here in the city. And
I'm not going to give you this label, but I
was a baby back then. I was so young and
so fresh. I was in my twenties, and we did
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this segment on a rooftop and you were so gracious
to do it. This was back when like rooftops in
New York City were the thing. This is like twenty fifteen,
twenty sixty. But I realized as I was preparing for
this interview today that I don't know that I've ever
gotten the full Phoebe Robinson origin story.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Oh well, okay, buckle up. I'm skidding. It's not that interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, it is interesting, so we're gonna do it. Okay. So, okay,
you were born in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Ohio, yes, Cleveland? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How would your family describe you as a kid? Were
you were you doing bits at the dinner table? Already.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, I think everyone in my family's like kind
of funny, you know, and they're all specific way. So
I wasn't really a class clown or anything like that.
So I think, you know, I was funny. I like
to read a lot, I was writing short stories. It
was very much a tomboy. I don't even know that
term is used anymore, but you know I would. My
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brother's four years older, so I would always like follow
him around. So we watched like wrestling together, play pickup
basketball together. But yeah, he's funny too. I think I'm
funnier than him, but he he is. He is very funny.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Were you competitive growing up?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Not really? I think that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I you know, like in school, I was very much
the person who was sort of kind of like could
float amongst all the different like sort of.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like okay groups, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But I didn't really play I didn't play any sports.
I did mock trial for like a couple of years
in high school. I don't know, I just was kind
of like very much a slacker during high school. I'm like,
I don't want to be here, this isn't great or
interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I was just.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Kind of mentioning to get out. It sounds like I
was in jail, but it's.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Truly like, Oh, I just had a feeling.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I was like, this is not it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like sophomore year we had we did like summer reading
at the school I went to, and we were assigned
Tom Brocaw's book The Greatest Generation, was about like the
nineteen fifties, and I was like, Hi, I know this
is a predominantly white school, but I'm black.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
In the nineteen fifties were not great for us.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So it was just stuff like that where I was like,
I went out, this is like not it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How do you think that experience of being maybe the
only black girl in your school or one of the
only how do you think that shaped your comedic voice?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I have a level of versatility, like I can kind
of code switch, which is fine, And you know, I
know a lot of black pop culture and I know
a lot of white pop culture. So I think that
that has helped me, you know, in my path in Hollywood,
Like I could speak to both sides, but I really
do feel like my sort of like point of view
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or comedic voice is kind of very specifically me which
I take great pride in, Like I really like focused
on cultivating that. I just never wanted to feel like
I had to.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Be like sassy this or play like did see that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Like I was just like, I'm just going to be me,
which is Phoebe and that's it, and you know, find
my place in the industry within that. Yeah, but I
think it did help me be able to just know
how to craft Joe folks and tell them in a
way that while it's being like really specific, it still
has like universal elements.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think, Yeah, yeah, what was that process like of
discovering Phoebe's voice, because I think that's something that every
creative wants to do, but the path to getting there
can sometimes be pretty arduous and nonlinear.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it just takes a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, of course, you like you want to study
the craft if you want to be you know, like
an emo singer, and then you better be listening to
like Evan Essence and pairmore and like I don't know
all these other bands or if you are into fashion,
then it's like you better follow all the fashion weeks.
Like so you learn that way and you learn by experimenting,
and then I feel like anyone who's.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Really good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's sort of like an amalgamation of like different things
you pick up along the way that you sort of
like remix into your own sort of or it gets
filtered out through like your specific voice. So I just say, like, study, study, study,
and then create, create, Create with not the attention of like,
oh this is gonna go viral or oh this is
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going to break me out, but with the intent of
like understanding yourself better and then you'll be able to
create things that sound and feel authentically you.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You sound like a seasoned stand up comedian talking right now,
because I do think, just from the outside looking in,
I think that practice of getting up on stage, bombing, failing,
getting back up, doing it again, I think that builds
up this this tolerance and this immunity to failure. Do
you would you agree?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah? I mean even now, I'm like, I started doing
a stand up two thousand and eight, so what is that?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So are you going seventeen years? Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Great, But it's like even now I have like here
and there, I'll have a set that doesn't go okay.
You're like like the world continues to you know, spin
like it's just like I think when you start out,
you put so much pressure in yourself that I have
to be good and I have to crush it every
single time, and it's just like that's just like not
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how life works. Like, yes, you want to get to
a place where you're consistently good, I absolutely understand that.
But like, I think putting the stakes on things too
much just makes people actually like freeze up and actually
not do as well as they probably would have if
they were just free and loose.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I think everything you're saying right now, and especially that
point about social media and just being willing to fail
on social media is so important because cringe became this
like boogeyman for a while. You know, it's like, ooh,
don't want to be cringe. Definitely don't want to be cringe.
But in fact, everything that we want is on the
other side of cringe. Everything you want is on the
other side of discomfort.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, Like I said, there was this video is this
white guy He was like in the backyard singing some
song acoustically like barefoot, and like people were circulating.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You might have seen it, and people were circulating.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Like he's so cringey. So this he's all that and
I'm just like, he's literally just.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like the Lumineers before they got famous, and it's fine,
Like who cares that he's barefoot, Like just let him
do his thing, And like everyone was like.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Piling on him.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I was like, why is there always like a value
judgment assigned to it? Just like if it's not for you,
move on yeah, And if it is for you, be
like thumbs up, dude, this is the you'll be married.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah guy, that guy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So it's so funny to me the things that the
Internet latches onto and just they just won't let go.
Like once the Internet and specifically TikTok gets his like
grasp on something, it's it's it's a wrap. We're taking
a short break, but we'll be right back. I mean,
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you have so many different talents. You have written three books,
one was adapted into a TV show called Everything's Trash.
So you are this multi hyphenet creative. I know that
you identify as a writer. First, what was the the
skill that you set out to master? Like, what was
your why when you got into this business?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Ooh, when I started out doing stand up which I
didn't even really want to do, and a friend of
mine Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Lindsay knewist we were.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We went to college together at Pratt and she wanted
to take a stand up class, and I was like.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Girl, why do you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like I truly did give a shit about stand up,
but then once I got into it. After that class,
you know, the big thing around that time dating myself
was like, you want to get on Letterman, you want
to have your five minutes set on Letterman, And that
just didn't happen, you know for me, he like retired
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by the time I like actually got good, but it
was like five It was like a five minute late
night set back when Comedy Central was doing special I
don't know what they're doing now. I want to get
do like a half hour on Comedy Central. And then
you want like your HBO hour. So those were like,
I think, the three sort of markers that I had.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I don't think I went into it being like, oh,
I want to master what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know, I just didn't. When you're young, like
you think about the future, but you're not like when
I'm seventeen years into like, I just didn't think that
far ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't think are you proud of yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean truly, I knew nothing about stand
up and then I just started, you know, watching all
the like HBO would like re air their half hours,
and then back in the day, Comedy Central would re
air their half hours like in the wee hours of
the morning.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So I would DVR them.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
This sounds that's one of those that's an older piece
of technology for the young folks listening. I'm sick of
it press record on our television.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Fucking if I say one more thing that makes me
sound like I was born in eighteen ninety fucking two.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's hard out here. It's hard.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What's that Yellowstone Show eighteen thirty two? Yeah, eighteen seventeen. Yeah,
I'm in that cast with Helling Mira in a Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Which one are you? Are you Hell Harrison?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, I used to DVR them, and I remember
I was an executive assistant at this internet company. So
in the morning, I will wake up and I'll watch
like a little bit of the Today's Show because I
was like, I gotta watch like my morning whatever. And
then I will watch like a half hour special and
then I would go to work and then after work
I would go to do open mics and be out
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all night just telling jokes, go to bed and then
wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And you know, you could do that in your twenties
where you're just like, I'm just all in.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Wow, It's it's wild to go from like that to
like now and you're just sort of like, oh wow,
time flies. But you're also like you have so many
just great memories from when you're just there.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Are are get no stakes.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You're just like you're in your twenties, You're bopping around
the city do shows like whatever, Like, yeah, I'm so
proud that I've like stuck around, cause I think that's
the hardest part is like sticking it out.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know that saying that's like it's not about the destination,
it's about the journey to get there. Do you feel
like that's true when you look back over your journey? Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Absolutely, Because I always tell like it's so funny, like
when you just talk to people when they achieve a
thing and then they're immediately like kind of disappointed, and
you're like, babe, it wasn't about getting it. I mean like, yeah,
you want to get the thing, but it's like you
have to be present for the entire like the duration
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of the process.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It's honestly unsettling how quickly it disappears.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I've had it happen where I this certain goal and
it disappears within minutes of completion. Yeah, and I'm like, oh,
that's actually really scary because I put so much of
myself and my identity into achieving this thing and now
I got it and I don't really care that much.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, that's why it's like you gotta be you gotta
focus on like the process and showing up. And every
day looks different, and you know, I'm working on a
book proposal right now, and like every day I go
to my desk and I be like, Okay, I'm gonna
do my four hour chrunk today with my brakes built in,
and then I have a lunch built into that, and
I have like an email break built in, and I'm like,
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that's like that is like the sort of like ritual
of that process and like sitting down and write and
like getting stuck and know like, Okay, this next half
hour's gonna stuck because I don't know what I'm supposed
to write. But I know that I will just get
out of this half hour if I just like do this,
(15:00):
delete delete, delete delete. That was trash and just keep
doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And so I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I just think the process and the journey is like
so delicious and like that's where all the good stuff is.
And if you don't pay attention to it and you
only focus on the end result, like you just can't
live and die by the end result.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, that's where the growth is is in the in
between moments.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I want to ask you about one of your
most beloved projects, twot Dope Queens.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So, in researching for this conversation, one of the top
Google searches that came up is our Phoebe Robinson and
Jessica Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Still friends, we have an immense amount of respect for
each other, but I think we're both on different creative journeys.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And she's really like dialed into the actress thing, which
is like great.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, she was like nominated for an Emmy and
all that stuff, and so I really feel like on
my end, I'm like I'm trying to build my imprint
and my production company and all that stuff. So like,
I think we both wish each other the best, but
we're probably not you know, close the way that we
were when we were taping Twotope Queens.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah. Yeah, what was that like? When that project ended?
How did it feel to wrap that up? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It felt wild to wrap it up because our final
podcast episode we interviewed First Lady Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
You don't usually get to go out on a high
like that, right, you know what I mean? It's usually
like a wamp womp.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But that was like very much like such a surreal
thing that she had reached out to WYC and she
wanted Twudope Queens to be like her one piece of
like non traditional like sort of media interview.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The fact that it was incoming too. No, but you
didn't even have to.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
N her out.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, she chased after us, who's the princess? It's me, honey.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But it was very wild for her to just you know,
I used to joke on the podcast like, oh, you know,
Michelle Obama's like listening to this.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But like didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I just was like kind of joking about it. Then
when the request came in, I was like, oh my gosh.
And so you know, we go to DC and it's
just very much like it's just a surreal thing to
interview like an elected sort of just kind of representative
of the country. And so I think to go out
on that high was just sort of like peak black excellence,
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peak tetope queens, and it so funny.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
We started doing the show at UCB East.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Wow, I didn't know that's where it's that's.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Where it started.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We did a UCB East and we sold it out
a few like months in a row, and we were like,
we should maybe go to a venue where we can,
like cause UCB fantasy that doesn't pay the performers.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So we're like, let's like go to a.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Venue where we can make a little money off of
doing this since we're like selling a show out. And
that's how we switched to Union Hall and then the Bellhouse.
But to go from UCB East to interviewing Michelle Obama
in this span we started what twenty fifteen and then
the podcast into what twenty nineteen and span of four years.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
To do that is that's nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
UCBOS you a lot. I mean, you should be on
like all the posters in marketing. One of the biggest
success stories out of UCB.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's so cool and it's just so fun.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And again, it's just like we started that show because like,
we don't see any other variety shows hosted by two
black women, and certainly people doing late night spots on
like you know, Conan or Seth Myer's, the majority of
them were white men.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So we're like, well, why don't we just do.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
This incredible Yeah, incredible legacy. I know that you mentioned
you are working on a book proposal.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Heavy into books because you have your own publishing imprint, honey. Yeah,
and you're actually celebrating five.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Years five years of Tiny Reparations books. Yeah, it's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You've talked about how when you are shopping one of
your own memoirs around in twenty fifteen, you just got no,
no after no from publisher. Is that why you decided
to create your own imprint?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So I met my agent, Robert Ginsler at the end
of twenty fourteen. We were just chatting about my first book,
and then he just sort of like got this sat
like sometimes you talk to people who want to write
and you kind of go like, oh, I think they
only like just want to do one book, which is
like fine, but then you meet other people where you're like, no,
they have this idea and that idea and blah blah blah.
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And so he just like got a sense of like
I really wanted to do a lot as an author,
and so he sort of asked me like, well, what's
the like big big plan here? And I was like, well,
I really appreciated how Tony Morrison would edit other people's works,
you know, to like provide a platform for them and
help support other black authors while she was writing her own,
(19:47):
you know, legendary work. And I was like, that seems
like a lot of energy. So I think instaid doing that.
I just want to have an imprint, Like I didn't
understand that that's way more work.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I was like, an import totally chill or rubber a.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Totally chill you publish over thirty bucks now, So Chill
and Another Congratulations is an order on Marsha by Tourmaline.
It is now a national bestseller and the very first
biography about perhaps the most influential figure in LGBTQ history,
the woman behind the Stone Wall Uprising. What surprised you
(20:27):
about reading Marsha's story on the page for the first time?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
First of all Tourmaline is I think the premiere archive
is for Marsha P. Johnson, which is a huge honor.
And when the proposal for this came across our desk,
I was sort of like, huh wait, are you guys
sure there isn't a biograph? Like I just was like,
there must be a biography of Marsha P. Johnson, and
(20:52):
then you know, there is it. So I was like,
we have to be the ones that publish it, Like please,
that sounds incredible. I interviewed Tourmaline I want to say
two weeks ago when the book came out, and what
I really there's so many things I appreciate about the book.
Please get if you haven't read it yet, but.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think there was just there are two things.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
First, I think often when we think of luminaries visionaries
like heroes, especially if they are people of color from
the queer community, like we just want to focus on
like the struggle and how hard every day was, and
like that's all it was about. Their lives was just
sacrificing and sacrificing. And I think to really focus on
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sort of the joy that Marcia had in her life
as well, to remind people that activists are full fledged people.
They're human beings just like us. Like they're not like
Batman in a cave just waiting to like save the day.
I really thought that was important because I think when
we learn about activists, we don't learn about that side.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And I think there was just such.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
A thoughtfulness in Tourmaline's writing like that she wrote, you
feel like you're one hundred percent in like whatever scene
she's writing about.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You feel like, oh, I'm back in like this time period.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And like, I think that's a very unique skill set
that an author can have that can make you feel
like you're being transported back in time. And so I
think those are two wonderful qualities about the book and
everyone should read it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well, this is an example of you giving yeses to
people who traditionally have heard a lot of notes, you know,
and I know that's something that you can relate to.
And you're someone who says yes to yourself even when
people around you say no. What is that really like
behind the scenes, because I know it's a lot more
work than we get to see.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean there's do you know I'm so I'm
a Libra with scorpio moon and Pisces rising, So they
are lots.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Of feelings, darling, a lot of tears, but that's just
a part of it.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And I think the people who know me know that, like.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Me, crying isn't like I am gonna throw myself off
the Brooklyn Bridge. It's like I just have all this
energy that's pent up and I just like need to
let it out. And I think that, you know, rejection
is hard, Like I know, you get to a point
where you kind of like let it roll off your
back a little bit, but you're still gonna get caught.
(23:26):
On those days we're like oh ouch, that like that no,
like really stung and that like I feel really low
now and I'm just gonna you know, I think I'm
just gonna get into bed and watch.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
A little bit of TV for a couple hours. I
feel like garbage. But on the whole, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
For me, I will go when I get like a note,
and I got like a no, I have like a
string of nose past six months, which I was like, yikes, okay,
that's a lot universe. But when I get all those notes,
I just sort of like I look at the data,
(24:04):
I look at my life and I call it data.
I'm like, we're just gonna look at these data points,
and I'm like, ninety eight percent of the time, I
end up being right. Like I get all these notes,
like nobody wanted to publish my book, only one publisher
wanting to publish it, and then it went on to
become a New York Times bestseller, you know what I mean.
So I like, I just always knew that, like my
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writing was good and that it was funny and that
people would want to read it, And so I just
tend to just go, just prove yourself right. It's not
even proving them wrong, because that's centering them. I don't
want to center them. I want to center myself.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
This is my work.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This is like what I want to do. This is
what makes me happy. Prove myself right that I was
correct to believe in myself. It always like works out
in the end, although I did see it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I love that something. I will stop you real quickly. Okay,
I love that so much. Oh thanks. Proving myself right
as opposed to proving others right?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, fuck them? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
What are those moments that make you emotional and like
make the tears come? Is it those moments of rejection
and hearing those nose.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, or it's just like you.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Put so much like energy in it, and like you know,
Hollywood can move at such a glaially slope pace and
it can just make you go, my god, I've spent
years and I have nothing to show for you know
what I mean. We're doing like all the development process
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and all that stuff, and it could really be frustrating.
But that is why, you know, I tell people, as
much as I love what I do, it is not
who I am, So that outlet could look like any
sort of thing, you know what I mean, doesn't have
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to necessarily be tied to my job. And so telling
myself that, which I feel like. I was a workaholic
for a long time and then COVID kind of like
it was like a lot like I was just so
like stressed out and then I like went to therapy
and I was like, we got to like unpack this,
Like my life can't just be about.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Work before we dive into that. Let's take a quick
break and we're back with Phoebe Robinson. Would you say
that running and running marathons has been one of those
outlets for you because I know You've been sharing a
lot of your running journey, which is so impressive.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, girl, I had no hobbies.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I had no hobbies.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Saw some hobbies.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Do you know how insane? I did nothing for fun
at all. I was just like, I'm gonna do work and.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was just like, you know, I got asked during
COVID my publicist Hi Sam. She was like, Oh, this
was I think gonna be timed with the really of
my last book. Please don't sit on my bed and
you're outside clothes and it's like, oh, I got this
thing for like the New York Times. It's like a
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fun article where it's like your secret, like hobbies or
passions or skills. And I was like I thought about
it and I was like, oh, I don't have any,
so we have to pass. And she was like, Phoebe,
it's like the New York Times.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And I go, Samantha, I don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That feels like a real wake up call that moment
that's like a major cry for help.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
It was like, I don't do anything for fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
All I do is monetize everything.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I want to know. That's a real come to Jesus moment.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, And so I was like, that's not good to
be thirty eight and you don't you don't do anything
that gives you pleasure in this like raggedy ass world
we live in, Like that's just you can't live that way.
And so running has been like one the's amazing hobbies.
And I'm actually started training to run for Berlin Marathon,
which will be my fourth world major. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay, we have a little segment on our show that
we like to call popping off. Okay, we are going
to get some Phoebe hot takes on pop culture. So
let's start with and just like that, it's back you guys.
Uh oh uh oh, she's she has her head in
her palm. She's looking stressed.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's just it's too much.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, tell me everything. How are you? How are you?
You're not feeling great about it?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Listen, I am Sex and the City is my all
time favorite show. I love everything in the Sex and
the City multiverse. So I will watch it all till
the end. I've seen Sex and the City like and
its totality like I don't know, six eight, seven times wow, whatever,
I just love it, and just like that, I do
not know what's going on, and it's starting to feel
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a little like.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Abuse because you need more, you need more? What what
do you need?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It feels like I was a Stockholm syndrome. I'm like
locked inside with these characters. I don't recognize.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Here's the thing, here's the thing about and just like that,
I've I've got because I also am a huge sex
in the city fan. I'm a late on set sex
and a city fan. But I think that it is
there's no way we're gonna be able to recapture the
lightning in a bottle essence of the first show.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Correct, But this.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Allows us to just get a little taste scratches that itch.
We get to stay in that world. I hear your team, Aiden,
so you should be happy about that at least, Carl.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What are they doing to Aiden?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Why are they on a five year break?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Why is he licking his hand and like touch his dick?
I don't even see that shit he did? Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Did you? I'm locked up?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Did you see the season three?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So I remember?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
But he drunk dial care.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He was like an egg for you. He literally did that.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, Like I was like, I don't want to say it.
I know you gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
No, I'm I what is it. That's like an egregious offense.
Too much.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's too much.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I literally I just want to be like Sarah Jessica Parker.
Call Kim Katrell, make it right, make it right. Okay,
the show does not work without Kim.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
We need Samantha. We need Samantha.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I'm so stressed, I'm like sweating.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I Also, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this.
Maybe I'll take maybe controversial. We need Big. I miss Big,
but you were never team Big, were you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Here's the thing, Carrie and Big are the one true pair,
like just thank you. They are thank you Carrie, aiden didn't.
They have amazing chemistry, but just like long term, they
don't make sense carrying the Russian which I kind of
like the Russian until the kind of like Rodal Mike
Trash to bring Big back. In fun fact, so originally,
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so I remember the Sex and City pop up, so
I got like a private tour for me and my
friend because of course I did. I love this, And
originally Burger was end game for Carrie. No post it man, yes,
and they realize they don't have the chemistry to sell
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that to the audience. So that's how Big came back in,
but Big was not supposed to be in game, which
I always was like, huh oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Do you think Carrie is messy? This is, you know,
a conversation that's trending on TikTok here. I'm stressing you out.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm so so you know, I'm stressed out at the PM.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm talking to camera because you're fantastic and a lot
of you out here are fucking cuckoo bananas. Do you
not understand story structure? Do you not understand the protagonist
does not ever have their shit together?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's why they are the hero whose journey we are following.
Carrie is the main character, bitch.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
She has to be messy.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
She is selfish because she's the main character.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Thank you. I'm personally not here for the Carrie hate.
Carrie is my girl. I will ride for her till
the end, messy as she is. And I agree, it's
just basic story structure.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'm like all these messy ass male characters, right, and
no one talks about.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
She's on her hero's journey, y'all. Okay, but let me
present to you a theory that is quite controversial.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Oh god, what is it?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay. So SJP went on Christ Davis's podcast, I can't okay,
I can't go with your dramatic justice. I love it
so much. She's being so dramatic right now. So Sarah
Disca Parker went on Christ and Davis's podcast, Are Your Charlotte,
and she presented this theory in which all of the characters,
the plot, the story, everything about it is a figment
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of Carrie's imagination because Carrie is, after all, the writer
of this column. And so she SJP seems to believe
that this theory would be real, that she just made
it all up.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Sarah, if you don't pull out your motherfucker android and
call Kim Petral because I'm not here for.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
This theory, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I agree, I know it's crazy. I started to spiral
when I was like, wait, none of this, none of
this is real, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We're we're not doing that. It's all It's real.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It is real.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
These characters are real.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's real to us. Damn it, it's real. Let me
ask you which character are you? I?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know, what does my friend Wanti say? She says,
I am Carrie and that the older I get there's.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
More Charlotte in there in terms of like the hopefulness,
especially about love.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
She's like, you're very hopeful.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
She's like, you're always like putting yourself out there dating wise,
and she was like that's so admirable because so many
people can't do it and you're just She's like, you
are so open hearted, and I was like, where is he?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So I think I was probably Carrie with Charlotte Rising.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Charlotte Rising, and then no Carrie Sun, Charlotte Moon,
Miranda Rising, because I can.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Be judgmental and it's fine. It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We all we all mean that, Miranda friend. Okay. Lastly, okay,
you have this running conversation on social media called thought Nash.
Oh yeah, can you explain what thought Nash is? First?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So thought Nash started hashtag thought Nash because I was
doing this series on Instagram. I'm gonna start back up,
but I've been trying to get trying to get work, honey, Okay,
I gotta pay these bills. Let's call it Thurstay Thursday.
And I write these like I make these videos or
have someone else make the videos. And I write these
like sort of like just horny, filthy, sort of like
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odes to like them and then the audience's thought nash
for a thought nation and they have been so fun.
I'm gonna start them back up this summer for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
My question is where does Pedro Pascal fall on this list?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh, he's like he's like tops, He's tops, He's like
number one. He's so hot. I was into him, you
know before, are you like people were like.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh, don't jump that.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
There's so many people who are jumping on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh my god, I love his arms out of can
and I'm like, bitch, I.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Was here three years before that shit before he went
to the gym.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Honey, I was there, you know what, Phoebe, I'm gonna
I'm gonna call false on that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I was.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I was here too. Okay, I'm not a bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You're but some of y'all are out there like, oh
my god, can't wait to see material lists.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And I'm like, did you see him in Game of Thrones?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Because that's when I was Did you when he had
no money? Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Did you see him in Game of Thrones? And that
did you see his head get squashed in like a
watermelon on Game of Thrones?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's how you know?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Have a problem because I was into him when he
was broke. That is, that's straight girl nonsense, all the potential.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Phoebe, thank you so much for coming on the bright Side.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
That went by so fast.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Long yay.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But and just like that, just just so you guys know,
I'm watching till the end. I don't care how bad
it gets. On my deathbed, I'm gonna tell my husband
to shut the fuck up and queue up a rerun
of And just like that, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I know they got us.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I'm in it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I'm not gonna stop watching it either. No, no, no, no, no,
take these mics away from us. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,
author and the founder of Tiny Reparations Books. The latest release, Marcia,
The Joy and Defiance of Marsha p Jnson by Tourmaline
is out. Now. That's it for this week. Join the
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is by Anna Stump and Hamilton lighthauser
Today on the bright side. What do you do when
the world tells you to stay in your lane, but
you've got ten ideas, two podcasts, a book deal, and
your own publishing imprint. If you're a writer, comedian and
actor Phoebe Robinson, you build your own highway. This conversation
is your permission, slipt to laugh your way to the top.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Just prove yourself right. It's not even proving them wrong,
because that's centering them.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I don't want to center them. I want to center myself.
This is my work. This is like what I want
to do. This is what makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Prove myself right that I was correct to believe in myself.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright side from
Hello Sunshine, Oh, get ready to have a good time today, Bessies.
I've always been drawn to artists who do a little
bit of everything and still make it look effortless. And
our guest today Phoebe Robinson. I mean, she's kind of
the blueprint. She's one of those rare people whose comedy
disarms you, her pop culture hot takes make you cackle,
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and her career moves quietly rewrite the rules for what's possible,
especially for underrepresented voices in entertainment. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,
best selling author, podcaster, producer, actor, and the founder of
her very own publishing imprint, Tiny Reparations Books. But what
I find so compelling about her isn't necessarily those accolades
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and credits or her resume. It's how she's navigated building
this public life and this incredible creative legacy with humor, vulnerability,
and zero interest in being anyone but herself. Phoebe and
I actually met many, many years ago. This was earlier
on in our career journeys. So I'm really excited for
you to hear this conversation today because it honestly feels
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a lot like a catchup and a full circle moment,
and you'll hear how real she is about some of
those really tough moments that come between a no and
a yes, that come between rejection and validation. And also,
if you follow her on social media, yeah, you know
she's obsessed with sex and the city, as am I.
So if you're a fan of that universe, you are
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going to want to stick around to the end, I
promise you. Okay, get ready, y'all, this one's a ride,
Phoebe Robinson, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Hello, Hello, I like your sweaters very cute, very cute.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Do you know where I got it? I got it
in one of those tourist shops, like twenty minutes ago. Ah. So,
Phoebe and I first met probably about a decade ago,
when I was a reporter here in the city. And
I'm not going to give you this label, but I
was a baby back then. I was so young and
so fresh. I was in my twenties, and we did
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this segment on a rooftop and you were so gracious
to do it. This was back when like rooftops in
New York City were the thing. This is like twenty fifteen,
twenty sixty. But I realized as I was preparing for
this interview today that I don't know that I've ever
gotten the full Phoebe Robinson origin story.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Oh well, okay, buckle up. I'm skidding. It's not that interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yes, it is interesting, so we're gonna do it. Okay. So, okay,
you were born in.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Ohio, yes, Cleveland? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How would your family describe you as a kid? Were
you were you doing bits at the dinner table? Already.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, I think everyone in my family's like kind
of funny, you know, and they're all specific way. So
I wasn't really a class clown or anything like that.
So I think, you know, I was funny. I like
to read a lot, I was writing short stories. It
was very much a tomboy. I don't even know that
term is used anymore, but you know I would. My
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brother's four years older, so I would always like follow
him around. So we watched like wrestling together, play pickup
basketball together. But yeah, he's funny too. I think I'm
funnier than him, but he he is. He is very funny.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Were you competitive growing up?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Not really? I think that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I you know, like in school, I was very much
the person who was sort of kind of like could
float amongst all the different like sort of.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like okay groups, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But I didn't really play I didn't play any sports.
I did mock trial for like a couple of years
in high school. I don't know, I just was kind
of like very much a slacker during high school. I'm like,
I don't want to be here, this isn't great or
interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I was just.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Kind of mentioning to get out. It sounds like I
was in jail, but it's.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Truly like, Oh, I just had a feeling.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I was like, this is not it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Like sophomore year we had we did like summer reading
at the school I went to, and we were assigned
Tom Brocaw's book The Greatest Generation, was about like the
nineteen fifties, and I was like, Hi, I know this
is a predominantly white school, but I'm black.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
In the nineteen fifties were not great for us.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So it was just stuff like that where I was like,
I went out, this is like not it.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
How do you think that experience of being maybe the
only black girl in your school or one of the
only how do you think that shaped your comedic voice?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I have a level of versatility, like I can kind
of code switch, which is fine, And you know, I
know a lot of black pop culture and I know
a lot of white pop culture. So I think that
that has helped me, you know, in my path in Hollywood,
Like I could speak to both sides, but I really
do feel like my sort of like point of view
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or comedic voice is kind of very specifically me which
I take great pride in, Like I really like focused
on cultivating that. I just never wanted to feel like
I had to.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Be like sassy this or play like did see that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Like I was just like, I'm just going to be me,
which is Phoebe and that's it, and you know, find
my place in the industry within that. Yeah, but I
think it did help me be able to just know
how to craft Joe folks and tell them in a
way that while it's being like really specific, it still
has like universal elements.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I think, Yeah, yeah, what was that process like of
discovering Phoebe's voice, because I think that's something that every
creative wants to do, but the path to getting there
can sometimes be pretty arduous and nonlinear.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, it just takes a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, of course, you like you want to study
the craft if you want to be you know, like
an emo singer, and then you better be listening to
like Evan Essence and pairmore and like I don't know
all these other bands or if you are into fashion,
then it's like you better follow all the fashion weeks.
Like so you learn that way and you learn by experimenting,
and then I feel like anyone who's.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Really good at what they do.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's sort of like an amalgamation of like different things
you pick up along the way that you sort of
like remix into your own sort of or it gets
filtered out through like your specific voice. So I just say, like, study, study, study,
and then create, create, Create with not the attention of like,
oh this is gonna go viral or oh this is
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going to break me out, but with the intent of
like understanding yourself better and then you'll be able to
create things that sound and feel authentically you.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You sound like a seasoned stand up comedian talking right now,
because I do think, just from the outside looking in,
I think that practice of getting up on stage, bombing, failing,
getting back up, doing it again, I think that builds
up this this tolerance and this immunity to failure. Do
you would you agree?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah? I mean even now, I'm like, I started doing
a stand up two thousand and eight, so what is that?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
So are you going seventeen years? Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Great, But it's like even now I have like here
and there, I'll have a set that doesn't go okay.
You're like like the world continues to you know, spin
like it's just like I think when you start out,
you put so much pressure in yourself that I have
to be good and I have to crush it every
single time, and it's just like that's just like not
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how life works. Like, yes, you want to get to
a place where you're consistently good, I absolutely understand that.
But like, I think putting the stakes on things too
much just makes people actually like freeze up and actually
not do as well as they probably would have if
they were just free and loose.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I think everything you're saying right now, and especially that
point about social media and just being willing to fail
on social media is so important because cringe became this
like boogeyman for a while. You know, it's like, ooh,
don't want to be cringe. Definitely don't want to be cringe.
But in fact, everything that we want is on the
other side of cringe. Everything you want is on the
other side of discomfort.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, Like I said, there was this video is this
white guy He was like in the backyard singing some
song acoustically like barefoot, and like people were circulating.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You might have seen it, and people were circulating.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Like he's so cringey. So this he's all that and
I'm just like, he's literally just.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Like the Lumineers before they got famous, and it's fine,
Like who cares that he's barefoot, Like just let him
do his thing, And like everyone was like.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Piling on him.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I was like, why is there always like a value
judgment assigned to it? Just like if it's not for you,
move on yeah, And if it is for you, be
like thumbs up, dude, this is the you'll be married.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah guy, that guy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So it's so funny to me the things that the
Internet latches onto and just they just won't let go.
Like once the Internet and specifically TikTok gets his like
grasp on something, it's it's it's a wrap. We're taking
a short break, but we'll be right back. I mean,
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you have so many different talents. You have written three books,
one was adapted into a TV show called Everything's Trash.
So you are this multi hyphenet creative. I know that
you identify as a writer. First, what was the the
skill that you set out to master? Like, what was
your why when you got into this business?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Ooh, when I started out doing stand up which I
didn't even really want to do, and a friend of
mine Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Lindsay knewist we were.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
We went to college together at Pratt and she wanted
to take a stand up class, and I was like.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Girl, why do you want to do that?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like I truly did give a shit about stand up,
but then once I got into it. After that class,
you know, the big thing around that time dating myself
was like, you want to get on Letterman, you want
to have your five minutes set on Letterman, And that
just didn't happen, you know for me, he like retired
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by the time I like actually got good, but it
was like five It was like a five minute late
night set back when Comedy Central was doing special I
don't know what they're doing now. I want to get
do like a half hour on Comedy Central. And then
you want like your HBO hour. So those were like,
I think, the three sort of markers that I had.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
But I don't think I went into it being like, oh,
I want to master what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know, I just didn't. When you're young, like
you think about the future, but you're not like when
I'm seventeen years into like, I just didn't think that
far ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I don't think are you proud of yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean truly, I knew nothing about stand
up and then I just started, you know, watching all
the like HBO would like re air their half hours,
and then back in the day, Comedy Central would re
air their half hours like in the wee hours of
the morning.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So I would DVR them.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
This sounds that's one of those that's an older piece
of technology for the young folks listening. I'm sick of
it press record on our television.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Fucking if I say one more thing that makes me
sound like I was born in eighteen ninety fucking two.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's hard out here. It's hard.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
What's that Yellowstone Show eighteen thirty two? Yeah, eighteen seventeen. Yeah,
I'm in that cast with Helling Mira in a Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Which one are you? Are you Hell Harrison?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm Harrison Ford.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Okay, okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But yeah, I used to DVR them, and I remember
I was an executive assistant at this internet company. So
in the morning, I will wake up and I'll watch
like a little bit of the Today's Show because I
was like, I gotta watch like my morning whatever. And
then I will watch like a half hour special and
then I would go to work and then after work
I would go to do open mics and be out
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all night just telling jokes, go to bed and then
wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And you know, you could do that in your twenties
where you're just like, I'm just all in.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Wow, It's it's wild to go from like that to
like now and you're just sort of like, oh wow,
time flies. But you're also like you have so many
just great memories from when you're just there.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Are are get no stakes.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You're just like you're in your twenties, You're bopping around
the city do shows like whatever, Like, yeah, I'm so
proud that I've like stuck around, cause I think that's
the hardest part is like sticking it out.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
You know that saying that's like it's not about the destination,
it's about the journey to get there. Do you feel
like that's true when you look back over your journey? Oh?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Absolutely, Because I always tell like it's so funny, like
when you just talk to people when they achieve a
thing and then they're immediately like kind of disappointed, and
you're like, babe, it wasn't about getting it. I mean like, yeah,
you want to get the thing, but it's like you
have to be present for the entire like the duration
(13:52):
of the process.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
It's honestly unsettling how quickly it disappears.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I've had it happen where I this certain goal and
it disappears within minutes of completion. Yeah, and I'm like, oh,
that's actually really scary because I put so much of
myself and my identity into achieving this thing and now
I got it and I don't really care that much.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, that's why it's like you gotta be you gotta
focus on like the process and showing up. And every
day looks different, and you know, I'm working on a
book proposal right now, and like every day I go
to my desk and I be like, Okay, I'm gonna
do my four hour chrunk today with my brakes built in,
and then I have a lunch built into that, and
I have like an email break built in, and I'm like,
(14:38):
that's like that is like the sort of like ritual
of that process and like sitting down and write and
like getting stuck and know like, Okay, this next half
hour's gonna stuck because I don't know what I'm supposed
to write. But I know that I will just get
out of this half hour if I just like do this,
(15:00):
delete delete, delete delete. That was trash and just keep
doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And so I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I just think the process and the journey is like
so delicious and like that's where all the good stuff is.
And if you don't pay attention to it and you
only focus on the end result, like you just can't
live and die by the end result.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You just can't.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, that's where the growth is is in the in
between moments.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So I want to ask you about one of your
most beloved projects, twot Dope Queens.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So, in researching for this conversation, one of the top
Google searches that came up is our Phoebe Robinson and
Jessica Williams.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Still friends, we have an immense amount of respect for
each other, but I think we're both on different creative journeys.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
And she's really like dialed into the actress thing, which
is like great.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean, she was like nominated for an Emmy and
all that stuff, and so I really feel like on
my end, I'm like I'm trying to build my imprint
and my production company and all that stuff. So like,
I think we both wish each other the best, but
we're probably not you know, close the way that we
were when we were taping Twotope Queens.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah. Yeah, what was that like? When that project ended?
How did it feel to wrap that up? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
It felt wild to wrap it up because our final
podcast episode we interviewed First Lady Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
You don't usually get to go out on a high
like that, right, you know what I mean? It's usually
like a wamp womp.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
But that was like very much like such a surreal
thing that she had reached out to WYC and she
wanted Twudope Queens to be like her one piece of
like non traditional like sort of media interview.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
The fact that it was incoming too. No, but you
didn't even have to.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
N her out.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
No, she chased after us, who's the princess? It's me, honey.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But it was very wild for her to just you know,
I used to joke on the podcast like, oh, you know,
Michelle Obama's like listening to this.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But like didn't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I just was like kind of joking about it. Then
when the request came in, I was like, oh my gosh.
And so you know, we go to DC and it's
just very much like it's just a surreal thing to
interview like an elected sort of just kind of representative
of the country. And so I think to go out
on that high was just sort of like peak black excellence,
(17:24):
peak tetope queens, and it so funny.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
We started doing the show at UCB East.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Wow, I didn't know that's where it's that's.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Where it started.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We did a UCB East and we sold it out
a few like months in a row, and we were like,
we should maybe go to a venue where we can,
like cause UCB fantasy that doesn't pay the performers.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So we're like, let's like go to a.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Venue where we can make a little money off of
doing this since we're like selling a show out. And
that's how we switched to Union Hall and then the Bellhouse.
But to go from UCB East to interviewing Michelle Obama
in this span we started what twenty fifteen and then
the podcast into what twenty nineteen and span of four years.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
To do that is that's nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
UCBOS you a lot. I mean, you should be on
like all the posters in marketing. One of the biggest
success stories out of UCB.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's so cool and it's just so fun.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And again, it's just like we started that show because like,
we don't see any other variety shows hosted by two
black women, and certainly people doing late night spots on
like you know, Conan or Seth Myer's, the majority of
them were white men.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
So we're like, well, why don't we just do.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
This incredible Yeah, incredible legacy. I know that you mentioned
you are working on a book proposal.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Heavy into books because you have your own publishing imprint, honey. Yeah,
and you're actually celebrating five.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Years five years of Tiny Reparations books. Yeah, it's very exciting.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You've talked about how when you are shopping one of
your own memoirs around in twenty fifteen, you just got no,
no after no from publisher. Is that why you decided
to create your own imprint?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So I met my agent, Robert Ginsler at the end
of twenty fourteen. We were just chatting about my first book,
and then he just sort of like got this sat
like sometimes you talk to people who want to write
and you kind of go like, oh, I think they
only like just want to do one book, which is
like fine, but then you meet other people where you're like, no,
they have this idea and that idea and blah blah blah.
(19:26):
And so he just like got a sense of like
I really wanted to do a lot as an author,
and so he sort of asked me like, well, what's
the like big big plan here? And I was like, well,
I really appreciated how Tony Morrison would edit other people's works,
you know, to like provide a platform for them and
help support other black authors while she was writing her own,
(19:47):
you know, legendary work. And I was like, that seems
like a lot of energy. So I think instaid doing that.
I just want to have an imprint, Like I didn't
understand that that's way more work.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I was like, an import totally chill or rubber a.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Totally chill you publish over thirty bucks now, So Chill
and Another Congratulations is an order on Marsha by Tourmaline.
It is now a national bestseller and the very first
biography about perhaps the most influential figure in LGBTQ history,
the woman behind the Stone Wall Uprising. What surprised you
(20:27):
about reading Marsha's story on the page for the first time?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
First of all Tourmaline is I think the premiere archive
is for Marsha P. Johnson, which is a huge honor.
And when the proposal for this came across our desk,
I was sort of like, huh wait, are you guys
sure there isn't a biograph? Like I just was like,
there must be a biography of Marsha P. Johnson, and
(20:52):
then you know, there is it. So I was like,
we have to be the ones that publish it, Like please,
that sounds incredible. I interviewed Tourmaline I want to say
two weeks ago when the book came out, and what
I really there's so many things I appreciate about the book.
Please get if you haven't read it yet, but.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think there was just there are two things.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
First, I think often when we think of luminaries visionaries
like heroes, especially if they are people of color from
the queer community, like we just want to focus on
like the struggle and how hard every day was, and
like that's all it was about. Their lives was just
sacrificing and sacrificing. And I think to really focus on
(21:33):
sort of the joy that Marcia had in her life
as well, to remind people that activists are full fledged people.
They're human beings just like us. Like they're not like
Batman in a cave just waiting to like save the day.
I really thought that was important because I think when
we learn about activists, we don't learn about that side.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
And I think there was just such.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
A thoughtfulness in Tourmaline's writing like that she wrote, you
feel like you're one hundred percent in like whatever scene
she's writing about.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You feel like, oh, I'm back in like this time period.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And like, I think that's a very unique skill set
that an author can have that can make you feel
like you're being transported back in time. And so I
think those are two wonderful qualities about the book and
everyone should read it.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Well, this is an example of you giving yeses to
people who traditionally have heard a lot of notes, you know,
and I know that's something that you can relate to.
And you're someone who says yes to yourself even when
people around you say no. What is that really like
behind the scenes, because I know it's a lot more
work than we get to see.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean there's do you know I'm so I'm
a Libra with scorpio moon and Pisces rising, So they
are lots.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Of feelings, darling, a lot of tears, but that's just
a part of it.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And I think the people who know me know that, like.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Me, crying isn't like I am gonna throw myself off
the Brooklyn Bridge. It's like I just have all this
energy that's pent up and I just like need to
let it out. And I think that, you know, rejection
is hard, Like I know, you get to a point
where you kind of like let it roll off your
back a little bit, but you're still gonna get caught.
(23:26):
On those days we're like oh ouch, that like that no,
like really stung and that like I feel really low
now and I'm just gonna you know, I think I'm
just gonna get into bed and watch.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
A little bit of TV for a couple hours. I
feel like garbage. But on the whole, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
For me, I will go when I get like a note,
and I got like a no, I have like a
string of nose past six months, which I was like, yikes, okay,
that's a lot universe. But when I get all those notes,
I just sort of like I look at the data,
(24:04):
I look at my life and I call it data.
I'm like, we're just gonna look at these data points,
and I'm like, ninety eight percent of the time, I
end up being right. Like I get all these notes,
like nobody wanted to publish my book, only one publisher
wanting to publish it, and then it went on to
become a New York Times bestseller, you know what I mean.
So I like, I just always knew that, like my
(24:28):
writing was good and that it was funny and that
people would want to read it, And so I just
tend to just go, just prove yourself right. It's not
even proving them wrong, because that's centering them. I don't
want to center them. I want to center myself.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
This is my work.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
This is like what I want to do. This is
what makes me happy. Prove myself right that I was
correct to believe in myself. It always like works out
in the end, although I did see it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I love that something. I will stop you real quickly. Okay,
I love that so much. Oh thanks. Proving myself right
as opposed to proving others right?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, fuck them? Who cares?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
What are those moments that make you emotional and like
make the tears come? Is it those moments of rejection
and hearing those nose.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, or it's just like you.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Put so much like energy in it, and like you know,
Hollywood can move at such a glaially slope pace and
it can just make you go, my god, I've spent
years and I have nothing to show for you know
what I mean. We're doing like all the development process
(25:35):
and all that stuff, and it could really be frustrating.
But that is why, you know, I tell people, as
much as I love what I do, it is not
who I am, So that outlet could look like any
sort of thing, you know what I mean, doesn't have
(25:56):
to necessarily be tied to my job. And so telling
myself that, which I feel like. I was a workaholic
for a long time and then COVID kind of like
it was like a lot like I was just so
like stressed out and then I like went to therapy
and I was like, we got to like unpack this,
Like my life can't just be about.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Work before we dive into that. Let's take a quick
break and we're back with Phoebe Robinson. Would you say
that running and running marathons has been one of those
outlets for you because I know You've been sharing a
lot of your running journey, which is so impressive.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, girl, I had no hobbies.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I had no hobbies.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Saw some hobbies.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Do you know how insane? I did nothing for fun
at all. I was just like, I'm gonna do work and.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was just like, you know, I got asked during
COVID my publicist Hi Sam. She was like, Oh, this
was I think gonna be timed with the really of
my last book. Please don't sit on my bed and
you're outside clothes and it's like, oh, I got this
thing for like the New York Times. It's like a
(27:09):
fun article where it's like your secret, like hobbies or
passions or skills. And I was like I thought about
it and I was like, oh, I don't have any,
so we have to pass. And she was like, Phoebe,
it's like the New York Times.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And I go, Samantha, I don't do anything.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That feels like a real wake up call that moment
that's like a major cry for help.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
It was like, I don't do anything for fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
All I do is monetize everything.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I want to know. That's a real come to Jesus moment.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, And so I was like, that's not good to
be thirty eight and you don't you don't do anything
that gives you pleasure in this like raggedy ass world
we live in, Like that's just you can't live that way.
And so running has been like one the's amazing hobbies.
And I'm actually started training to run for Berlin Marathon,
which will be my fourth world major. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay, we have a little segment on our show that
we like to call popping off. Okay, we are going
to get some Phoebe hot takes on pop culture. So
let's start with and just like that, it's back you guys.
Uh oh uh oh, she's she has her head in
her palm. She's looking stressed.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It's just it's too much.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, tell me everything. How are you? How are you?
You're not feeling great about it?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Listen, I am Sex and the City is my all
time favorite show. I love everything in the Sex and
the City multiverse. So I will watch it all till
the end. I've seen Sex and the City like and
its totality like I don't know, six eight, seven times wow, whatever,
I just love it, and just like that, I do
not know what's going on, and it's starting to feel
(28:57):
a little like.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Abuse because you need more, you need more? What what
do you need?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It feels like I was a Stockholm syndrome. I'm like
locked inside with these characters. I don't recognize.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Here's the thing, here's the thing about and just like that,
I've I've got because I also am a huge sex
in the city fan. I'm a late on set sex
and a city fan. But I think that it is
there's no way we're gonna be able to recapture the
lightning in a bottle essence of the first show.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Correct, But this.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Allows us to just get a little taste scratches that itch.
We get to stay in that world. I hear your team, Aiden,
so you should be happy about that at least, Carl.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
What are they doing to Aiden?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Why are they on a five year break?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Why is he licking his hand and like touch his dick?
I don't even see that shit he did? Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Did you? I'm locked up?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Did you see the season three?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So I remember?
Speaker 4 (29:49):
But he drunk dial care.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He was like an egg for you. He literally did that.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, Like I was like, I don't want to say it.
I know you gotta do it.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
No, I'm I what is it. That's like an egregious offense.
Too much.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
It's too much.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I literally I just want to be like Sarah Jessica Parker.
Call Kim Katrell, make it right, make it right. Okay,
the show does not work without Kim.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
We need Samantha. We need Samantha.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I'm so stressed, I'm like sweating.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I Also, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this.
Maybe I'll take maybe controversial. We need Big. I miss Big,
but you were never team Big, were you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Here's the thing, Carrie and Big are the one true pair,
like just thank you. They are thank you Carrie, aiden didn't.
They have amazing chemistry, but just like long term, they
don't make sense carrying the Russian which I kind of
like the Russian until the kind of like Rodal Mike
Trash to bring Big back. In fun fact, so originally,
(30:53):
so I remember the Sex and City pop up, so
I got like a private tour for me and my
friend because of course I did. I love this, And
originally Burger was end game for Carrie. No post it man, yes,
and they realize they don't have the chemistry to sell
(31:14):
that to the audience. So that's how Big came back in,
but Big was not supposed to be in game, which
I always was like, huh oh, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Do you think Carrie is messy? This is, you know,
a conversation that's trending on TikTok here. I'm stressing you out.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I'm so so you know, I'm stressed out at the PM.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm talking to camera because you're fantastic and a lot
of you out here are fucking cuckoo bananas. Do you
not understand story structure? Do you not understand the protagonist
does not ever have their shit together?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
That's why they are the hero whose journey we are following.
Carrie is the main character, bitch.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
She has to be messy.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
She is selfish because she's the main character.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Thank you. I'm personally not here for the Carrie hate.
Carrie is my girl. I will ride for her till
the end, messy as she is. And I agree, it's
just basic story structure.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I'm like all these messy ass male characters, right, and
no one talks about.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
She's on her hero's journey, y'all. Okay, but let me
present to you a theory that is quite controversial.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Oh god, what is it?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay. So SJP went on Christ Davis's podcast, I can't okay,
I can't go with your dramatic justice. I love it
so much. She's being so dramatic right now. So Sarah
Disca Parker went on Christ and Davis's podcast, Are Your Charlotte,
and she presented this theory in which all of the characters,
the plot, the story, everything about it is a figment
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of Carrie's imagination because Carrie is, after all, the writer
of this column. And so she SJP seems to believe
that this theory would be real, that she just made
it all up.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Sarah, if you don't pull out your motherfucker android and
call Kim Petral because I'm not here for.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
This theory, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I agree, I know it's crazy. I started to spiral
when I was like, wait, none of this, none of
this is real, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
We're we're not doing that. It's all It's real.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
It is real.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
These characters are real.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's real to us. Damn it, it's real. Let me
ask you which character are you? I?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
You know, what does my friend Wanti say? She says,
I am Carrie and that the older I get there's.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
More Charlotte in there in terms of like the hopefulness,
especially about love.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
She's like, you're very hopeful.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
She's like, you're always like putting yourself out there dating wise,
and she was like that's so admirable because so many
people can't do it and you're just She's like, you
are so open hearted, and I was like, where is he?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
So I think I was probably Carrie with Charlotte Rising.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, Charlotte Rising, and then no Carrie Sun, Charlotte Moon,
Miranda Rising, because I can.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Be judgmental and it's fine. It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
We all we all mean that, Miranda friend. Okay. Lastly, okay,
you have this running conversation on social media called thought Nash.
Oh yeah, can you explain what thought Nash is? First?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
So thought Nash started hashtag thought Nash because I was
doing this series on Instagram. I'm gonna start back up,
but I've been trying to get trying to get work, honey, Okay,
I gotta pay these bills. Let's call it Thurstay Thursday.
And I write these like I make these videos or
have someone else make the videos. And I write these
like sort of like just horny, filthy, sort of like
(35:01):
odes to like them and then the audience's thought nash
for a thought nation and they have been so fun.
I'm gonna start them back up this summer for sure.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
My question is where does Pedro Pascal fall on this list?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh, he's like he's like tops, He's tops, He's like
number one. He's so hot. I was into him, you
know before, are you like people were like.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Oh, don't jump that.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
There's so many people who are jumping on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh my god, I love his arms out of can
and I'm like, bitch, I.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Was here three years before that shit before he went
to the gym.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Honey, I was there, you know what, Phoebe, I'm gonna
I'm gonna call false on that.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I was.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I was here too. Okay, I'm not a bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
You're but some of y'all are out there like, oh
my god, can't wait to see material lists.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And I'm like, did you see him in Game of Thrones?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Because that's when I was Did you when he had
no money? Okay?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Did you see him in Game of Thrones? And that
did you see his head get squashed in like a
watermelon on Game of Thrones?
Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's how you know?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Have a problem because I was into him when he
was broke. That is, that's straight girl nonsense, all the potential.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Phoebe, thank you so much for coming on the bright Side.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
That went by so fast.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Long yay.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
But and just like that, just just so you guys know,
I'm watching till the end. I don't care how bad
it gets. On my deathbed, I'm gonna tell my husband
to shut the fuck up and queue up a rerun
of And just like that, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I know they got us.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I'm in it.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I'm not gonna stop watching it either. No, no, no, no, no,
take these mics away from us. Phoebe Robinson is a comedian,
author and the founder of Tiny Reparations Books. The latest release, Marcia,
The Joy and Defiance of Marsha p Jnson by Tourmaline
is out. Now. That's it for this week. Join the
(37:04):
conversation with us on social media at Hello Sunshine on
ig and feel free to hit me up at Simone Boyce.
Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and as always,
keep looking on the bright side, y'all. The Brightside is
a production of Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts and is
executive produced by Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce. Production
(37:28):
is by ACAST Creative Studios. Our producers are Taylor Williamson,
Adrian Bain, and Darby Masters. Our production assistant is Joya Putnoy.
Acast executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Maureen
Polo and Reese Witherspoon are the executive producers for Hello Sunshine.
Ali Perry and Christina Everett are the executive producers for
iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazola is our showrunner. Our theme song
(37:52):
is by Anna Stump and Hamilton lighthauser
Host
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