June 16, 2025 • 39 mins
Rachel Platten became a global force with Fight Song, but few know the silent battle she's fought behind the scenes. In this powerful and deeply personal conversation, Rachel and Simone share raw, unfiltered stories of motherhood, mental health, and finding your voice again. This is Rachel, like you’ve never heard her—vulnerable, luminous, and rooted in a whole new strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Today on the bright Side, Award winning singer songwriter Rachel
Plattin is here, y'all. You know her hit record Fight Song, Well,
today we're getting to know the woman behind the anthem.
Rachel is opening up about the invisible storm of postpartum
depression that she walked through and the life saving conversation
that helped her find her way back to the light.
This is Rachel Plattin like you've never heard her before, intentional,
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rooted and simply radiant.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That whole crazy, out of nowhere, stratospheric rise out of
anonymity of thirteen years of like playing around the country
and no one caring. Then all of a sudden boom,
everyone cares, and that rise felt like how do I
keep up with this?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm smoone voice and this is the bright side from
hell of Sunshine. Okay, y'all, our guest today is Sunshine personified.
I mean truly, I'm talking about award winning singer songwriter
Rachel Plattin. She has a smile that can just light
up a room, y'all, and songs that get me up
on my feet, get me up off my couch. Of course,
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I'm thinking about Fight Song. It is that track that
you turn on when you just seed that little boost,
when you know you gotta throw your hair up in
a messy bun, you gotta puff your chest out, put
your shoulders back, handle your business. And although she's best
known as the woman behind this global anthem, I mean,
there is so much more to her story, like the
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pressure that comes with being known as the woman behind
an anthem like that. I mean, think about it. You
are known around the world as this woman with this ironclad,
unshakable confidence. But what happens when the woman behind those
lyrics can't find the strength to rise. That's what we're
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getting into today because in my conversation with Rachel, I
learned about the invisible mental health battle she fought after
giving birth to her daughter, Sophie Joe, and I discovered
that Rachel and I actually share some pretty big parallels
in our motherhood journeys, Like we both had our second
babies within a week of each other. And you know,
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I've talked about motherhood on this show, but to be honest,
there are parts of my journey as a mother, specifically
in the postpartum period, that I haven't been fully transparent about.
And it's because some parts of that story are super dark,
and I've felt some shame around them, and I've wondered, Man,
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is this too dark to talk about? Like, is this
too dark to share? I think sometimes in life there's
this tendency to want to sanitize the hard parts of
life and just like clean them up and make them
more presentable. There is nothing clean and tidy about this conversation.
I'm letting my mess hang out. Rachel's letting her mess
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hang out. And that took me by surprise, honestly, Like
I knew that I was going to be talking to
Rachel about her postpartum journey, but in no way did
I expect that I was going to be opening up
in such a profound way. Like I've never met Rachel
before this. This was my first time meeting her when
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we sat down to record this episode, and yet by
the end of the episode, we're literally like crying and
holding each other and being like, oh my gosh, how
did we not know each other before this. It's just
amazing what happens when you give yourself permission to talk
about these experiences. Because that's the dangerous part suffering in silence.
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It's not something that we need to do. It's not
something that we have to do. The reality is that
these experiences are far more common than we think. While
one in seven women experience postpartum depression, only six percent
of women seek psychological help. And Rachel is going to
be sharing today that process of seeking help in her
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own life and how just the brave act of seeking
help potentially saved her life. I'm gonna be honest, it's
scary to talk about these things. Vulnerability is not something
that comes easily for me, so it's not easy to
get on the mic and open up about stuff like this.
But one of the most hopeful things that I can
share today, and I think a beautiful byproduct of conversations
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like this, is that Rachel and I are both thriving
on the other side of postpartum depression. And whether you're
a mother or not, whether that's your journey or not,
there is so much that we can learn from Rachel's
mental health journey, and her latest album, I Am Rachel
Platten is a testament to all the ways that she's
grown as an artist since becoming a mother. So listen
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to our conversation and then make sure to give her
album and listen to all right here. It is my
conversation with Rachel Platten. Rachel Platten, Welcome to the right side.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Hi so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm so excited to be here with you, particularly because
I see so much of myself and your motherhood journey. Oh,
my kids are almost the exact same age. WHOA Yeah,
I have two boys, Logan and Keenan. My oldest is
about to be five, and then the youngest is three.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, so similar, yes, and so as.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I was just like researching your story for this interview
and hearing you talk about some of the stuff that
you went through, I just felt so seen. But before
we get there, I think we have to start by
talking about your most recent album, I Am Rachel Platten,
and you say that this album saved your life and
that it's almost like your first proper introduction to the world.
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It's even in the name, like I am Rachel Platten.
So why do you feel like this is your first
real introduction.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I went through so much trauma and incredibly hard battles
of my mental health, and as I came out of it,
what helped me, among so many tools was songwriting and
turning back to my purpose and my why and I
kind of lost that in the music industry. So writing
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the album became like an act of worship for me
of just like remembering myself, remembering why I do this,
remembering who I am. Putting my hands on the piano
reminded me I'm not just a mom that's beaten up
and not doing well. So yeah, writing the album healed
me in a lot of ways that I was struggling
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so much and needed it so much for myself that
I was writing it for me, and in that way,
it was so raw and so unfiltered. You know, a
lot of the songs were straight from journal entries with
like tears falling on the page and then they became music.
So I just felt like when it came time to
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release it, looking at the body of work, I was
just really amazed that it felt like it really represented
me so fully without yeah, without any like mask on
or anything. So I wanted to claim it and be like,
you don't. You might have known a side of me,
and I'm so grateful to that side, to that empowered
fight song girl, But here's all of me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
As I'm sitting across from you, you are radiating freedom.
Oh my gosh, You're radiating like liberation.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Really thank you. Yeah, I feel it, I really feel it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I feel it too. But I think to talk about
the freedom to properly set the stage for that, we
have to talk about the cage first. Yeah, so when
did your mental health struggles start?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh, first of all, I had my daughter in twenty nineteen,
probably a better thing to start with. I had my
first daughter, Violet in twenty nineteen, and went on tour
really quickly afterwards.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I don't know what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's insane to me?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now, how soon after three months?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
What insane?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Rachel? What?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't know what the dick I was thinking. I
was like I was.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think I was really afraid that motherhood was going
to change my life and like change.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
How I was perceived in the industry, like there's so
many rules for women in pop or there felt like
there were. I think they're starting to kind of get
broken down, but at least I felt them, and I
felt pressure to kind of declare, like, this baby's not
going to change my life. I'm going to strap her
on my back, put her on the bus.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I like, we can have it, Yeah, I can have
it all right, and you can't such a trap right,
Like you can but.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Not at the same time, and I'm like right and sough.
So I went on tour and it was two arenas
and it was like fifteen thousand people twenty thousand people
a night, and then I was doing and I was
breastfeeding the bus, but like right afterwards, so I'd get
off stage and I'd run and I'd try to like
make the night feeding and my breast milks while I
was dwindling and my sleep was awful, and I started
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to suffer from depression, like really severe anxiety and panic
attacks and depression.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And I didn't understand it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
The time that it was it had to do with
my hormones and the baby. Like I kind of just
was like, well, this is situational, because this is unnatural
to play this many people just after you did such
an internal creative work. And that's all true, but it
was also my hormones. So I started to suffer with
postpartu depression then, and I healed after I got off
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that tour, I like slowly but surely healed. I started
to write songs again, remember myself and did like I
had so many tools I had an incredible therapist and
amazing acupuncturist, and that was enough for that round of
my depression, and then started to really dive back into music.
The pandemic happened, and I turned really deeply inward and
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was okay, And it was kind of really like, Wow,
I made it through.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I kind of thought that was it. I thought that
was my dark night of the soul. And I was
really proud. And I wrote a song about that at
the time that's on the record, And it was just
so funny that that wasn't even the tip of iceberg
in terms of of what I went through.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So you're saying it continued, Oh my god, it was.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I got prenant with my second Sophie in twenty twenty one.
They were they're like two and a half years apart.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
My son was born in uh September one, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh my god, September ninth, Oh my one. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We were like right there at the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so we know exactly how the world was feeling
and how we were feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What a weird time to have a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I just was so isolated and so alone. Yeah, and
just became more and more so after having Sophie, and
I went into such a scary place my mental health,
and that was like, I love your phrase, the cage
Like that really felt like the bars of that cage
were just locked and I didn't know how to get out.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It was so terrifying.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So I don't know about you, but when I had
my second kid, it almost broke me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Going from one to two.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my god was oh, just like you can't know
how to describe it.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, no one can prepare you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And they say they're like ones one two is like seven,
like you're you know, or two is going to change everything.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I'm like, well, no, I'm going to be good.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I have I know this time that I have proclivity to,
you know, go to a dark place. So I'm going
to put all of these tools in place. I have
my therapist ready, I have my postpartum doula, I have
all the things. I'm so privileged to have all these
things and so lucky. I know a lot of women aren't,
and I recognize how lucky I am for that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And even with all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Support, even while that support, it was such a shock
to my system. I wasn't ready at all, and I
plummeted so deeply. How was it for you?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I had really bad baby blues both times, and
for any of our besties who are listening, you haven't
given a birth. Baby blues is this period that's like
between two to what four weeks to four weeks?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's natural, yes, like they say, like seventy percent of
women experience is like really like hormonal drop. It's like
surge of the esrogen drops all of a sudden, right
or the oxytocin.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Sorry. Yeah, So I experienced that even more severely with
my second and I was like, I was just like
mentally gone like those first two weeks and I I
went into a very dark place. I had suicidal ideation.
It was very scary, and I came out of it.
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The baby blues kind of subsided, you know, the hormones
balanced out.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And ask, why do you call it your your like
team called baby blues because it subsided? Because I'm because
that sounds severe, Like that sounds more than baby blues.
That sounds like a little bit of postpartum depression. Just
because I've done so much research into this now, I
think you're right curious why are you using baby blues?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, okay, so I experienced it in acute sense and
in a heightened sense during baby blues, and then I
felt like I kind of balanced out a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It came out.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, yes, but I did start to feel honestly, like,
looking back, like four months after giving birth, I was like,
wait a minute, I feel like I'm feeling this like
low grade depression. Yeah, and I don't even know if
if I can call this postpartum, But in hindsight, it
totally was postpartum. And that's the insidious thing about.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It, right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's confusing because on the one hand, I'm like, well,
we don't want to put ourselves on in labels. You
don't want to label yourself. But I do think it's
helpful to call it that because it just raises awareness
and takes the shame away from it. And I think
that it's really probably amazing. A lot of women probably
look up to you listening and like that baby blue
sounds so innocuous and sounds so sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, almost like it's not fucking sweet. We should stop calling?
Can we stop calling? At that?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's such a man thing, like putting a label on
something that is so brutal and so painful.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, it's not so right.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, So regardless of how severely you suffered, it sounds brutal,
and it sounds like you said, like it was a
short amount of time, and I'm so sorry mine.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Was so long before we dive into that. Let's take
a quick break, welcome back to the bright side. How
long did it last for you?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's hard to talk about, sorry, Like, oh, I'd say
a year really severely. And then I started to suffer
with chronic pain after I kind of came out of
the mental part of it. But the pain was also
just more mental stuff in a different way. My nervous
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system was just trying to find a way to alert me,
like hey baby, we're not safe.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We're not safe.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So yeah, but the like in choosive thoughts and this
idiation and all that, and I had made like massive dissociation.
I dissociate every day. It was so brutal and scary.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I know that you say that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Gabby Bernstein was a really integral part of your healing,
particularly one conversation that she had with you that I
would love for you to share with our audience because
I think it could save someone else's life.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So when I was suffering and on tour the first time,
I at the time was really kind of enamored with
like la spirituality, which doesn't feel very rooted to me.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Sometimes it can feel a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Like crystals in the cards and listen, bless you. If
that fills you up, awesome, But it wasn't doing it
for me when she really hit the van. Yeah, I
was trying, like grasping for straws, like okay, let me
pull a tyro card, Okay, let me talk to an intuitive,
let me just can someone help me?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And it was what I'm low now is It was
really just me trying to find that voice.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It was me trying to hear God and through everyone else,
through everything else. But Gabby is a really close friend
of mine and she had a baby at the same time,
and she was suffering from postpartum depression and her therapist
hadn't I didn't have a proper therapist at the time.
Her therapist told her, Gabby, this is not the baby blues,
this is postpartum depression. You are not okay, my love.
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Let's get medication and let's get you help. And Gabby
was terrified of taking medication because all of us little
like Eastern spirituality. Gillies were, well, why can't we just
wish it away or pray it away, or meditate it
away or rekie it away? And those are amazing tools great,
but I think when you're really severely suffering sometimes you
need to kind of change your mind almost about what
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you've been told is true or not. And like Gabby
looked at me and she was like, babe, you're not okay,
Like because I was like, can we pray? She's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Like we can.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But you need help.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You need a psychiatrist, you need a therapist. Here's the
helpline and hotline for a post part and fression hot line.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I call the hot line when she's in the depths
of my despair.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Can you tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I drove down the street. I was sobbing uncontrollably. It's like,
you know, this feeling, It's like the kind of tears
that never dry up, no matter.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You don't at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
There's no bottom, no matter how much you tell yourself,
I'm gonna stop crying. I'm gonna stop crying. You can't.
It just keeps pouring out, and so I left the house.
I drove down the street, parked my car in a
park and just sat there, just sobbing, and I called
a you know, suicide hotline, and just needed to talk
to someone.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I'm so sorry and alone, I'm so sorry for any
of you listening that I've ever felt like that. I
don't even have words. It's so big and it's so painful.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It is, and you don't understand until you're there on yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, because my I've had friends close to me that
I have suffered in the dark like that, and I
thought I knew what darkness was, but I had no idea,
like and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Also the kind it's so maddening because it feels irrational
when you're in it. You know, you're like, God, why
can't I just be normal?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know, like, why isn't I just shake wa ye?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, But there's nothing, And that's when you know that
you need help because you can't it's out of your control.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And honestly, I think that's why finding faith was so
pivotal at that moment, because it's the moment of like
true surrender of like when you have fought. I talk
a lot about the hero's journey and relate some of
the album to my heroin's journey, you know, like, and
it's the moment when you have based your demons and
you are fighting and fighting and fighting, and it's funny
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coming from the fights, Hu girl. And then you just
can't fight anymore because just not working. Yeah, and you
have to change tactics and you are just laid bare
on the floor of like, this isn't working. I'm gonna
die if I don't have help, if something doesn't come
in right now. There has to be something bigger than me.
And but like God, in the middle of those moments,
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you can't hear it, you can't find it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Thank God for a friend like Gabby though we got
on our show and she's incredible her. The conversation we
had was like game changing for me. But to have
a friend who was like, no, you know what, even
though these things can exist, you know together in the
same space. We can have our reiki, right, or we
can also have our medication.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And they're okay. And God works through that too.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yes. So the first time I suffered with post part impression,
I called her and she was like you're not okay,
Go get help. I didn't need medication that time. It
wasn't as severe. The second time.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I hadn't slept in like three nights, like not even
a wink, not a second.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I'm yeah, like I legitimately it was. I was
in like a insane state. It was.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It wasn't okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And my husband was really scared and called her, I think,
and she texted me and was like, baby, get on
the phone with me, and she was like, this is
what I need you to do. You need to go
get some out of Van immediately. You need to take
that tonight. It's a benzo And I know you're scared
of medication, but you're gonna end up in a mental hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like you need to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You need to get on sooloft or whatever is good
for you, whatever, SSRI, here's a psychiatrist number. Here's like
call your opgo and get out Avan tonight. You will sleep,
I promise you. I was so terrified, Like I was
more terrified of the medication. I don't even know why
I was so scared now, honestly, I wish I could understand.
It's the stigma.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I don't have mental health stigma, there's.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Something wrong with me. Then now I'm officially crazy. I failed.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I also as a mother and the fact that I
can't and I'm going.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
To breastfeed and give this to my baby through my
breast milk. What the fuck is wrong with me? I'm
such a failure, right, No, like the worst thing would
be my baby not having a mom.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, I'm a hero. I am right, You're a hero.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I'm so brave and I oh my god, I love you.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You're so sweet.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Oh I love you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You definitely have to be friends when I heard, and
I love you even more now.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh so I was so brave.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It was like the bravest thing I ever did was
to take medication and to like change my mind about
what I thought that meant about me, and my therapist
was begging me to do it for like three weeks
before I finally acquiesced about the zoloft. Like I took
that out of immediately because I really was just not okay.
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And yeah, you know, but even like starting the zoloft,
I was so afraid and I just can't even believe
that it's now like my best friend, I'm so I
will never go I mean, maybe I will, but Keevin
are like, why would we ever go off? I'm clearly
a nervous person, and I do the work on the side,
Like I think one of the stigmas is take this.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Thing and then ignore your problems. But that's not it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The way my therapist, who's brilliant, described it, she said,
taking this medication for you is like putting the scaffolding
up so you can actually start to build the building.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Genius.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right now, you're just throwing tools into a work site
and they're just going down into the ground, like nothing
you're doing is gonna make an impact, none of the
work we're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
How quickly would you say you started to feel relief.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'd say like a month after starting the Zoloft. But
with the Adavan, I did sleep immediately. Oh my god,
but you're gonna I don't even want to stress everyone.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Out listening to what's about to happen. But here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I slept that night, after like three nights of
not sleeping and like six weeks of just not okayness,
you know, barely sleeping, I woke up the next morning rested.
Oh my god, ten hours of sleep, Oh my god,
and my mom came in my room and she was like, baby,
I don't want to scare you, but your husband's in
the hospital. He's passing a kidney stone right now. He's
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not okay, he's probably gonna have surgery in a couple hours.
I'm so sorry. And then two days after that has
been still in the hospital. My parents collapsed in my
arms because my dad's brother died, and like, what the fuck,
that's when mercy that. And then my daughter had a fever,
and then I just was like I'm done.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
One of those times in life where you're just like
this is too much.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I can't I can't take it right.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and I know that my too much is relative.
I know there are people listening that have it too
much that is so much bigger than that and inconferenceable.
But all all we can do is know our own,
you know, it's it's their relative.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And like that for me was just the limit.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So I was sleeping.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
But a month later, yeah, those you know, zolof started
to help and that was great, and I started to
write songs and I started to and I started to
sing again because I was like singing lullabies to my
babies all the time, but I started to really sing
because I hadn't had a concert in like years, I
don't know, Yeah, and so I started to really like
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wail and sing, and my voice had changed, and it
was miraculous, Like I was like, wait, what why am
I able to sing like this?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
How did it change? It changed like you left it.
I loved it, like I just couldn't believe it. And
it was it was like the way I relate to
it now.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
If you listen to the record verse earlier stuff of mine, Yeah,
there's a noticeable difference in the amount of depth and
like the like richness of my voice and the soul.
I think something, there's like a lot more body and
you know spiritually that you know, I integrated the dark
in the light, like I no longer was pushing away
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the pain. The pain now is my friend, and like
the dark is my friend, and I use it and
I transmute it and I welcome it, and I know
it's all part of me. And so I think I
did a lot of I talk about this, and I
did a lot of spiritual bypass before, like in my
before motherhood.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Good vibes only yeah, okay, you know, good just uh positivity, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Positivity, toxic positivity, and like after this, I'm like no, no, no, no,
no no, I can't push away my dark because it
will come rearing its head if it's not welcomed and
like loved and accepted like all of me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But again, music was this like haven that I'd come to.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And I think, like for anyone listening, creativity in general
is something that you could do if you're not a
songwriter and you have similar things. I think creativity just
is like way to come home to yourself. Yeah, remember
that there's something bigger flowing through you. And so I
went to my studio at one of the like the
apex of pain, like I'm just fear. My youngest Sophie
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was in the hospital with like one hundred and six
degree fever.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was terrifying.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, And we came home that night and I just
lost it. I went into my studio, which is in
the back house, and I just screamed like enough. I
didn't even know who I was screaming at. It, just
like screaming at God, are you here? What's who was here?
Like what the hell? I can't take another second of this?
And I just was squailing in pain and started crying mercy.
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And out of that pain, something moved me towards the
piano and was like, go to the piano and put
your hands on the piano, and that cry of mercy
started to become these chords and this melody.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And all of a sudden, after twenty minutes, this song
rushed through me. And this song is so joyful and
yet painful at the same time. It's like, if you
listen to it, there's there's hope and there's joy in
the chords, and yet the pain in my voice is
so visceral, and I think that's it couldn't have been me,
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is all I'm saying. Like I was a mess, And
so I recognized in that moment that this amazing song
had poured through me, like who is here? Like God,
are you real it's something writing through me?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
AM? I supported, AM, I loved, and it was this
seed of hope that was planted that maybe I'm not
alone and maybe there's hope. And there was so much
more pain to come, but that muse likes once songwriting,
I realized that it could be this medicine and anchor.
I wasn't as terrified because I kind of realized, like,
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are you doing what you did with me with the
fight song again?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I fucking hate you.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But okay, I'll let myself be a vessel.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Fine, let's write some music that'll help people hate you, because.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Because it hurts to be like to have to go.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Oh, it's just I don't know why. Like some artists
can just write.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Songs about the club and it's so I'm so jealous,
like mine are just so deep and painful.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like no, but that's what you do so well though,
Like as I'm hearing you talk about mercy and how
it's this marriage of joy and pain, like that is
what you do. Yeah, that's your gift.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's so brutal, but it's so it's yeah, it is
a gift, and sometimes I wrestle with it because I'm like, man,
it would be so nice to sing a cute little
pop song and just like.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, or write about a boy or something. You know, girl,
that's not your testimony.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
No, God's like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, So talk to me about this relationship with God.
Were you always like did you grow up religious? Were
you always leaning on God?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I didn't. I was raised Jewish, No, I had them.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's fie like did all the things, but in Judaism
for me, reform Judaism. I never realized, like, I have
a partner here that I can turn to directly. I
kind of associated it with like being in temple or
putting on your temple outfit. Yeah. Yeah, write the ritualistic
part right, the cultural part of the beautiful ceremonies at
home and pass over. I love it, But I never
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really felt this direct one on one relationship with God.
And I never related my songwriting and how Fight Song came.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, that song was so clearly bigger than me. Oh,
it's so clearly three billion, I.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Might, right, And I wrote it alone in my apartment
in New York and wrestled with it and like so
recognizing that, I was like, all right, there's obviously something
bigger than me that's working with me when I put
my hands on a piano.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I just never really understood what it was. And
I tried a lot of things to find out. And
it was in this moment and during when I was
writing Mercy, that I was like, WHOA, you're God, your God,
and maybe you're not the God that people talk about.
I don't know what you look like. I don't know,
but yes, and it is triggering. But like, but God,
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for me is that just ever present, loving best friend, father, mother,
thing that holds me and rocks me like a baby
and says, baby, I love you no matter what. Drop
all of the pressure, drop the facade, drop the mask, like,
come into my arms and surrender again and again. And
when I do, I feel the way to the world
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off of me. And it's the only way that I healed,
And like, I think it's the only way that this
music came out and the only way that I'm able
to do this with two little kids. And I just
again and again turn to something bigger and say, like,
you do it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, I can't do.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It, You do it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And so yeah, I have a very deep relationship with God.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now we're taking a short break, but we'll be right back.
And we're back. There's such a spiritual, almost hymno like
quality to some of your songs too. Are you inspired
by other forms of spirituality or other religions and do
you bring them into your work.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm inspired by anyone loving their creator. Yeah, I just
love anyone's love of the God of their understanding. I
love I just love man crying out to something bigger
mm hmm in any form, I think it's just so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And I think it's so beautiful when we can turn
away from the world and turn inward. And that's what
I'm all about, and that's what I'm trying to help
my audience feel. No matter what you believe, there is
something inside of you that is so loving and so
wise and loves you so much. And I want you
to leave my show feeling so empowered and so lit
up and having felt your feelings and cried your tears
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and felt permission to be yourself. And then I want
you to leave and know how cradled and loved you are.
And then from that point, I want you to rise
up and like claim your power.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, that reminds me of this lyric and your song
set me free. I can't stop thinking about, particularly as
it relates to motherhood. I hope I get this right,
but I think it's I laid my roots down deep,
and now it's time to rise.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That sounds good.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, whoa like chills, chills, Oh my gosh, thank you,
it's so good. I mean, that is good.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It is good. That is good. Yes, say it's good,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It is I love this women celebrating their guests and
their talents. What does the rising feel like?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, it can feel like two different things.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
If I'm not grounded and really just clear on my
intention and purpose and why I'm doing this, it can
feel bubby and heady and exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And like almost manic.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, like like like the rise of Fight Song felt,
and like the whole Wildfire album and that whole crazy,
out of nowhere stratospheric rise out of anonymity of thirteen
years of like playing around the country and no one
caring and then all of a sudden boom, everyone cares
and it is so and that rise felt like.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
How do I keep up with this? Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
My god? Who am I?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
What's happening? People want?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Everyone wants my attention. I don't understand why no one
cared about me two minutes ago?
Speaker 3 (32:10):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But if I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Grounded, and if I'm really rooted and like like I said,
like if you lay roots down deep, then then when
the tree grows, when it's like you know that you
didn't do it alone a and that you're not going
to be swayed by the winds changing. People can say
what they want to say, and they're going to have
an opinion. The bigger you get, the brighter you shine.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
That's just what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And that used to really rock me before. So now
I'm kind of learning how to be, like, you know what,
I'm not for everyone. That's all right, that's great, you know,
why would I be for everyone? I'm going to stand
and shine my light and like light up whoever it's
meant to light up, you know. Yeah, And so that
kind of rise feels really calm and really like on
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purpose and really like I am doing what I here
on this earth to do.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yes, right, I am not meant to shrink walking out
into the room like God sent you there.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yes, I am not meant to cower, and like I
am not meant to play small. I think the line
in the song right after that is like I am
done with people pleasing and playing small. Yes, love me
as I am, or don't love me at all. And
sometimes I'm better at other times than believing that, But
right now I do feel that, like, yeah, I'm a mother,
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a created life. I went through hell, I found my
way back. I know I have God, I'm good, let's go.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I think there's something so symbolic about you having this
world renowned voice and then becoming a mother and going
through this dark night of the soul and almost feeling voiceless,
and then emerging with a new voice, both symbolically and literally. Ah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, and you put it that way, it really lands.
Like I just I don't always get the perspective because
we're just in our own lives. Yeah, but like, man
feels right, that feels true.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You touched on this a little bit, Rachel, But how
heavy is it to be the fight song girl when
you can even fight for yourself, like when you're going
through your own mental health struggles?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Pretty impossible and confusing, I think, because it's a part
of me that's there, but it's not all of me.
And so when I can't access that part and people
know me for that part and look to me for that, Yeah,
(34:34):
I think it's kind of confusing. But I think that
I've learned how to claim a different kind of not
to be corny, but how to claim a different kind
of fight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You know, it's like a more surrendered, soft mama version
of it, which is, yeah, we're gonna fight and we're
gonna love ourselves, like, Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna curl
up on a couch and we're going to drink some
tea with our best friend and we're going to cry.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And then we're going to go fight.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Because you can't get to that if you don't acknowledge
the waves. You can't get to the oceanness of being,
if you don't recognize the rocking waves that are also happening.
We've got to first address them and then you can
sink beneath them. I follow Tara Brock's work too a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Her, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh more, you would love her, Okay, tell me more.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
She is so unreal.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Her work is one of the most true, incredible things
that have gotten me through. And she has a book
called Radical Compassion. She's a Buddhist and she's a psychologist
and she has a podcast that's incredible. But her one
of her practices is called RAIN and it's an acronym.
It stands for Recognize, Allow, Integrate, and nurture, And that
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along with songwriting and all this other work and medication
really saved my life. And I did rounds and rounds
of this, and I think, I don't even know why
I'm talking about this. I don't have nothing to do
with fight song. Note it's how I fight now. It's
like I recognize what's there. I allow the feeling to
be there. I investigate in my body where is it? Yeah,
and then I speak to it lovingly, and then I
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nurture myself and then I go and fight.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah? The sitting with is the hardest thing. Oh, I'm
so bad at it. That's so awful. It's so hard,
so hard.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's so much easier to just run away, but you can't.
You can only run away for so long.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Right, It'll find a way.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You are such a testament to the fact that our
careers don't end when we become mothers. This is something
that I want to hit all the time on our show,
and I talk about it a lot whenever young women
ask me about, like, Okay, how do I balance, you know,
having my career and being a mom. But it's not over, No,
it's just beginning.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Oh my god. I love who I am now. I
love where I am at, and I love.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Doing this as a mom because I I just feel
like I know who I am now I really know,
and nothing could unground me, you know, like we always
have our kids to humble us.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I was like screaming. I thought I was so good.
I was singing one of my songs.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like oh, and my daughters came in and they're like,
can you fight song?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I was like, oh, fuck off, I have new material.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Wait, I'm still like not okay that we just got
a riff from Rachel Platten live in the studio.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That was insane.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Rachel, I can't think of a better place to end.
You are such a bright light. Thank you very much
for coming on the bright side.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Thank you. I loved it. It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Thank you so much for tuning into the bright Side
this week. And if any part of today's episode resonated
with you, we've got resources for you. If you are
experiencing a postpartum mental health crisis, call one eight three
three TLC Mama, the National Maternal Health Hotline has this
twenty four to seven free confidential support line that you
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can turn to both before, during, and after pregnancy. And also,
please please go listen to our season one interview with
doctor Nicki Pensak. She wrote a book called Rattle that
is essential reading for anyone experiencing the postpartum phase. And hey,
let's keep the conversation going. Find me at simone Voice
on social media. I'd love to chat. All right, We'll
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see you next time. Until then, keep looking on the
bright side, y'all. The bright Side is a production of
Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts and is executive produced by
Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce. Production is by Acast
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Executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Maureen Polo
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Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser. Four
Today on the bright Side, Award winning singer songwriter Rachel
Plattin is here, y'all. You know her hit record Fight Song, Well,
today we're getting to know the woman behind the anthem.
Rachel is opening up about the invisible storm of postpartum
depression that she walked through and the life saving conversation
that helped her find her way back to the light.
This is Rachel Plattin like you've never heard her before, intentional,
(00:25):
rooted and simply radiant.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That whole crazy, out of nowhere, stratospheric rise out of
anonymity of thirteen years of like playing around the country
and no one caring. Then all of a sudden boom,
everyone cares, and that rise felt like how do I
keep up with this?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I'm smoone voice and this is the bright side from
hell of Sunshine. Okay, y'all, our guest today is Sunshine personified.
I mean truly, I'm talking about award winning singer songwriter
Rachel Plattin. She has a smile that can just light
up a room, y'all, and songs that get me up
on my feet, get me up off my couch. Of course,
(01:03):
I'm thinking about Fight Song. It is that track that
you turn on when you just seed that little boost,
when you know you gotta throw your hair up in
a messy bun, you gotta puff your chest out, put
your shoulders back, handle your business. And although she's best
known as the woman behind this global anthem, I mean,
there is so much more to her story, like the
(01:25):
pressure that comes with being known as the woman behind
an anthem like that. I mean, think about it. You
are known around the world as this woman with this ironclad,
unshakable confidence. But what happens when the woman behind those
lyrics can't find the strength to rise. That's what we're
(01:47):
getting into today because in my conversation with Rachel, I
learned about the invisible mental health battle she fought after
giving birth to her daughter, Sophie Joe, and I discovered
that Rachel and I actually share some pretty big parallels
in our motherhood journeys, Like we both had our second
babies within a week of each other. And you know,
(02:09):
I've talked about motherhood on this show, but to be honest,
there are parts of my journey as a mother, specifically
in the postpartum period, that I haven't been fully transparent about.
And it's because some parts of that story are super dark,
and I've felt some shame around them, and I've wondered, Man,
(02:31):
is this too dark to talk about? Like, is this
too dark to share? I think sometimes in life there's
this tendency to want to sanitize the hard parts of
life and just like clean them up and make them
more presentable. There is nothing clean and tidy about this conversation.
I'm letting my mess hang out. Rachel's letting her mess
(02:54):
hang out. And that took me by surprise, honestly, Like
I knew that I was going to be talking to
Rachel about her postpartum journey, but in no way did
I expect that I was going to be opening up
in such a profound way. Like I've never met Rachel
before this. This was my first time meeting her when
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we sat down to record this episode, and yet by
the end of the episode, we're literally like crying and
holding each other and being like, oh my gosh, how
did we not know each other before this. It's just
amazing what happens when you give yourself permission to talk
about these experiences. Because that's the dangerous part suffering in silence.
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It's not something that we need to do. It's not
something that we have to do. The reality is that
these experiences are far more common than we think. While
one in seven women experience postpartum depression, only six percent
of women seek psychological help. And Rachel is going to
be sharing today that process of seeking help in her
(03:59):
own life and how just the brave act of seeking
help potentially saved her life. I'm gonna be honest, it's
scary to talk about these things. Vulnerability is not something
that comes easily for me, so it's not easy to
get on the mic and open up about stuff like this.
But one of the most hopeful things that I can
share today, and I think a beautiful byproduct of conversations
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like this, is that Rachel and I are both thriving
on the other side of postpartum depression. And whether you're
a mother or not, whether that's your journey or not,
there is so much that we can learn from Rachel's
mental health journey, and her latest album, I Am Rachel
Platten is a testament to all the ways that she's
grown as an artist since becoming a mother. So listen
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to our conversation and then make sure to give her
album and listen to all right here. It is my
conversation with Rachel Platten. Rachel Platten, Welcome to the right side.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Hi so excited to be here.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm so excited to be here with you, particularly because
I see so much of myself and your motherhood journey. Oh,
my kids are almost the exact same age. WHOA Yeah,
I have two boys, Logan and Keenan. My oldest is
about to be five, and then the youngest is three.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, so similar, yes, and so as.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I was just like researching your story for this interview
and hearing you talk about some of the stuff that
you went through, I just felt so seen. But before
we get there, I think we have to start by
talking about your most recent album, I Am Rachel Platten,
and you say that this album saved your life and
that it's almost like your first proper introduction to the world.
(05:45):
It's even in the name, like I am Rachel Platten.
So why do you feel like this is your first
real introduction.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I went through so much trauma and incredibly hard battles
of my mental health, and as I came out of it,
what helped me, among so many tools was songwriting and
turning back to my purpose and my why and I
kind of lost that in the music industry. So writing
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the album became like an act of worship for me
of just like remembering myself, remembering why I do this,
remembering who I am. Putting my hands on the piano
reminded me I'm not just a mom that's beaten up
and not doing well. So yeah, writing the album healed
me in a lot of ways that I was struggling
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so much and needed it so much for myself that
I was writing it for me, and in that way,
it was so raw and so unfiltered. You know, a
lot of the songs were straight from journal entries with
like tears falling on the page and then they became music.
So I just felt like when it came time to
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release it, looking at the body of work, I was
just really amazed that it felt like it really represented
me so fully without yeah, without any like mask on
or anything. So I wanted to claim it and be like,
you don't. You might have known a side of me,
and I'm so grateful to that side, to that empowered
fight song girl, But here's all of me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
As I'm sitting across from you, you are radiating freedom.
Oh my gosh, You're radiating like liberation.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Really thank you. Yeah, I feel it, I really feel it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I feel it too. But I think to talk about
the freedom to properly set the stage for that, we
have to talk about the cage first. Yeah, so when
did your mental health struggles start?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh, first of all, I had my daughter in twenty nineteen,
probably a better thing to start with. I had my
first daughter, Violet in twenty nineteen, and went on tour
really quickly afterwards.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I don't know what I was thinking, Like.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's insane to me?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Now, how soon after three months?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
What insane?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Rachel? What?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't know what the dick I was thinking. I
was like I was.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think I was really afraid that motherhood was going
to change my life and like change.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
How I was perceived in the industry, like there's so
many rules for women in pop or there felt like
there were. I think they're starting to kind of get
broken down, but at least I felt them, and I
felt pressure to kind of declare, like, this baby's not
going to change my life. I'm going to strap her
on my back, put her on the bus.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I like, we can have it, Yeah, I can have
it all right, and you can't such a trap right,
Like you can but.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Not at the same time, and I'm like right and sough.
So I went on tour and it was two arenas
and it was like fifteen thousand people twenty thousand people
a night, and then I was doing and I was
breastfeeding the bus, but like right afterwards, so I'd get
off stage and I'd run and I'd try to like
make the night feeding and my breast milks while I
was dwindling and my sleep was awful, and I started
(08:53):
to suffer from depression, like really severe anxiety and panic
attacks and depression.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And I didn't understand it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
The time that it was it had to do with
my hormones and the baby. Like I kind of just
was like, well, this is situational, because this is unnatural
to play this many people just after you did such
an internal creative work. And that's all true, but it
was also my hormones. So I started to suffer with
postpartu depression then, and I healed after I got off
(09:23):
that tour, I like slowly but surely healed. I started
to write songs again, remember myself and did like I
had so many tools I had an incredible therapist and
amazing acupuncturist, and that was enough for that round of
my depression, and then started to really dive back into music.
The pandemic happened, and I turned really deeply inward and
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was okay, And it was kind of really like, Wow,
I made it through.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I kind of thought that was it. I thought that
was my dark night of the soul. And I was
really proud. And I wrote a song about that at
the time that's on the record, And it was just
so funny that that wasn't even the tip of iceberg
in terms of of what I went through.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So you're saying it continued, Oh my god, it was.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I got prenant with my second Sophie in twenty twenty one.
They were they're like two and a half years apart.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
My son was born in uh September one, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh my god, September ninth, Oh my one. Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We were like right there at the same time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so we know exactly how the world was feeling
and how we were feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
What a weird time to have a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I just was so isolated and so alone. Yeah, and
just became more and more so after having Sophie, and
I went into such a scary place my mental health,
and that was like, I love your phrase, the cage
Like that really felt like the bars of that cage
were just locked and I didn't know how to get out.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
It was so terrifying.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So I don't know about you, but when I had
my second kid, it almost broke me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Going from one to two.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Oh my god was oh, just like you can't know
how to describe it.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
No, no one can prepare you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And they say they're like ones one two is like seven,
like you're you know, or two is going to change everything.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And I'm like, well, no, I'm going to be good.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I have I know this time that I have proclivity to,
you know, go to a dark place. So I'm going
to put all of these tools in place. I have
my therapist ready, I have my postpartum doula, I have
all the things. I'm so privileged to have all these
things and so lucky. I know a lot of women aren't,
and I recognize how lucky I am for that.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And even with all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Support, even while that support, it was such a shock
to my system. I wasn't ready at all, and I
plummeted so deeply. How was it for you?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I had really bad baby blues both times, and
for any of our besties who are listening, you haven't
given a birth. Baby blues is this period that's like
between two to what four weeks to four weeks?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's natural, yes, like they say, like seventy percent of
women experience is like really like hormonal drop. It's like
surge of the esrogen drops all of a sudden, right
or the oxytocin.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Sorry. Yeah, So I experienced that even more severely with
my second and I was like, I was just like
mentally gone like those first two weeks and I I
went into a very dark place. I had suicidal ideation.
It was very scary, and I came out of it.
(12:25):
The baby blues kind of subsided, you know, the hormones
balanced out.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And ask, why do you call it your your like
team called baby blues because it subsided? Because I'm because
that sounds severe, Like that sounds more than baby blues.
That sounds like a little bit of postpartum depression. Just
because I've done so much research into this now, I
think you're right curious why are you using baby blues?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, okay, so I experienced it in acute sense and
in a heightened sense during baby blues, and then I
felt like I kind of balanced out a little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It came out.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, yes, but I did start to feel honestly, like,
looking back, like four months after giving birth, I was like,
wait a minute, I feel like I'm feeling this like
low grade depression. Yeah, and I don't even know if
if I can call this postpartum, But in hindsight, it
totally was postpartum. And that's the insidious thing about.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
It, right.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's confusing because on the one hand, I'm like, well,
we don't want to put ourselves on in labels. You
don't want to label yourself. But I do think it's
helpful to call it that because it just raises awareness
and takes the shame away from it. And I think
that it's really probably amazing. A lot of women probably
look up to you listening and like that baby blue
sounds so innocuous and sounds so sweet.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, almost like it's not fucking sweet. We should stop calling?
Can we stop calling? At that?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's such a man thing, like putting a label on
something that is so brutal and so painful.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, it's not so right.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, So regardless of how severely you suffered, it sounds brutal,
and it sounds like you said, like it was a
short amount of time, and I'm so sorry mine.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Was so long before we dive into that. Let's take
a quick break, welcome back to the bright side. How
long did it last for you?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's hard to talk about, sorry, Like, oh, I'd say
a year really severely. And then I started to suffer
with chronic pain after I kind of came out of
the mental part of it. But the pain was also
just more mental stuff in a different way. My nervous
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system was just trying to find a way to alert me,
like hey baby, we're not safe.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
We're not safe.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So yeah, but the like in choosive thoughts and this
idiation and all that, and I had made like massive dissociation.
I dissociate every day. It was so brutal and scary.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I know that you say that.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Gabby Bernstein was a really integral part of your healing,
particularly one conversation that she had with you that I
would love for you to share with our audience because
I think it could save someone else's life.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
So when I was suffering and on tour the first time,
I at the time was really kind of enamored with
like la spirituality, which doesn't feel very rooted to me.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Sometimes it can feel a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Like crystals in the cards and listen, bless you. If
that fills you up, awesome, But it wasn't doing it
for me when she really hit the van. Yeah, I
was trying, like grasping for straws, like okay, let me
pull a tyro card, Okay, let me talk to an intuitive,
let me just can someone help me?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
And it was what I'm low now is It was
really just me trying to find that voice.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It was me trying to hear God and through everyone else,
through everything else. But Gabby is a really close friend
of mine and she had a baby at the same time,
and she was suffering from postpartum depression and her therapist
hadn't I didn't have a proper therapist at the time.
Her therapist told her, Gabby, this is not the baby blues,
this is postpartum depression. You are not okay, my love.
(15:51):
Let's get medication and let's get you help. And Gabby
was terrified of taking medication because all of us little
like Eastern spirituality. Gillies were, well, why can't we just
wish it away or pray it away, or meditate it
away or rekie it away? And those are amazing tools great,
but I think when you're really severely suffering sometimes you
need to kind of change your mind almost about what
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you've been told is true or not. And like Gabby
looked at me and she was like, babe, you're not okay,
Like because I was like, can we pray? She's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Like we can.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
But you need help.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You need a psychiatrist, you need a therapist. Here's the
helpline and hotline for a post part and fression hot line.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I call the hot line when she's in the depths
of my despair.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Can you tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I drove down the street. I was sobbing uncontrollably. It's like,
you know, this feeling, It's like the kind of tears
that never dry up, no matter.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
You don't at the bottom.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
There's no bottom, no matter how much you tell yourself,
I'm gonna stop crying. I'm gonna stop crying. You can't.
It just keeps pouring out, and so I left the house.
I drove down the street, parked my car in a
park and just sat there, just sobbing, and I called
a you know, suicide hotline, and just needed to talk
to someone.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I'm so sorry and alone, I'm so sorry for any
of you listening that I've ever felt like that. I
don't even have words. It's so big and it's so painful.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It is, and you don't understand until you're there on yourself.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, because my I've had friends close to me that
I have suffered in the dark like that, and I
thought I knew what darkness was, but I had no idea,
like and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Also the kind it's so maddening because it feels irrational
when you're in it. You know, you're like, God, why
can't I just be normal?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
You know, like, why isn't I just shake wa ye?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, But there's nothing, And that's when you know that
you need help because you can't it's out of your control.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And honestly, I think that's why finding faith was so
pivotal at that moment, because it's the moment of like
true surrender of like when you have fought. I talk
a lot about the hero's journey and relate some of
the album to my heroin's journey, you know, like, and
it's the moment when you have based your demons and
you are fighting and fighting and fighting, and it's funny
(18:17):
coming from the fights, Hu girl. And then you just
can't fight anymore because just not working. Yeah, and you
have to change tactics and you are just laid bare
on the floor of like, this isn't working. I'm gonna
die if I don't have help, if something doesn't come
in right now. There has to be something bigger than me.
And but like God, in the middle of those moments,
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you can't hear it, you can't find it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Thank God for a friend like Gabby though we got
on our show and she's incredible her. The conversation we
had was like game changing for me. But to have
a friend who was like, no, you know what, even
though these things can exist, you know together in the
same space. We can have our reiki, right, or we
can also have our medication.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And they're okay. And God works through that too.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yes. So the first time I suffered with post part impression,
I called her and she was like you're not okay,
Go get help. I didn't need medication that time. It
wasn't as severe. The second time.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I hadn't slept in like three nights, like not even
a wink, not a second.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
And I'm yeah, like I legitimately it was. I was
in like a insane state. It was.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
It wasn't okay.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And my husband was really scared and called her, I think,
and she texted me and was like, baby, get on
the phone with me, and she was like, this is
what I need you to do. You need to go
get some out of Van immediately. You need to take
that tonight. It's a benzo And I know you're scared
of medication, but you're gonna end up in a mental hospital.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like you need to do that right now.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You need to get on sooloft or whatever is good
for you, whatever, SSRI, here's a psychiatrist number. Here's like
call your opgo and get out Avan tonight. You will sleep,
I promise you. I was so terrified, Like I was
more terrified of the medication. I don't even know why
I was so scared now, honestly, I wish I could understand.
It's the stigma.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I don't have mental health stigma, there's.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Something wrong with me. Then now I'm officially crazy. I failed.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I also as a mother and the fact that I
can't and I'm going.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
To breastfeed and give this to my baby through my
breast milk. What the fuck is wrong with me? I'm
such a failure, right, No, like the worst thing would
be my baby not having a mom.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, I'm a hero. I am right, You're a hero.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I'm so brave and I oh my god, I love you.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You're so sweet.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Oh I love you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You definitely have to be friends when I heard, and
I love you even more now.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh so I was so brave.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It was like the bravest thing I ever did was
to take medication and to like change my mind about
what I thought that meant about me, and my therapist
was begging me to do it for like three weeks
before I finally acquiesced about the zoloft. Like I took
that out of immediately because I really was just not okay.
(21:02):
And yeah, you know, but even like starting the zoloft,
I was so afraid and I just can't even believe
that it's now like my best friend, I'm so I
will never go I mean, maybe I will, but Keevin
are like, why would we ever go off? I'm clearly
a nervous person, and I do the work on the side,
Like I think one of the stigmas is take this.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Thing and then ignore your problems. But that's not it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The way my therapist, who's brilliant, described it, she said,
taking this medication for you is like putting the scaffolding
up so you can actually start to build the building.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Genius.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Right now, you're just throwing tools into a work site
and they're just going down into the ground, like nothing
you're doing is gonna make an impact, none of the
work we're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
How quickly would you say you started to feel relief.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'd say like a month after starting the Zoloft. But
with the Adavan, I did sleep immediately. Oh my god,
but you're gonna I don't even want to stress everyone.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Out listening to what's about to happen. But here's what happened.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I slept that night, after like three nights of
not sleeping and like six weeks of just not okayness,
you know, barely sleeping, I woke up the next morning rested.
Oh my god, ten hours of sleep, Oh my god,
and my mom came in my room and she was like, baby,
I don't want to scare you, but your husband's in
the hospital. He's passing a kidney stone right now. He's
(22:22):
not okay, he's probably gonna have surgery in a couple hours.
I'm so sorry. And then two days after that has
been still in the hospital. My parents collapsed in my
arms because my dad's brother died, and like, what the fuck,
that's when mercy that. And then my daughter had a fever,
and then I just was like I'm done.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
One of those times in life where you're just like
this is too much.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I can't I can't take it right.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and I know that my too much is relative.
I know there are people listening that have it too
much that is so much bigger than that and inconferenceable.
But all all we can do is know our own,
you know, it's it's their relative.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And like that for me was just the limit.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So I was sleeping.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
But a month later, yeah, those you know, zolof started
to help and that was great, and I started to
write songs and I started to and I started to
sing again because I was like singing lullabies to my
babies all the time, but I started to really sing
because I hadn't had a concert in like years, I
don't know, Yeah, and so I started to really like
(23:28):
wail and sing, and my voice had changed, and it
was miraculous, Like I was like, wait, what why am
I able to sing like this?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
How did it change? It changed like you left it.
I loved it, like I just couldn't believe it. And
it was it was like the way I relate to
it now.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
If you listen to the record verse earlier stuff of mine, Yeah,
there's a noticeable difference in the amount of depth and
like the like richness of my voice and the soul.
I think something, there's like a lot more body and
you know spiritually that you know, I integrated the dark
in the light, like I no longer was pushing away
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the pain. The pain now is my friend, and like
the dark is my friend, and I use it and
I transmute it and I welcome it, and I know
it's all part of me. And so I think I
did a lot of I talk about this, and I
did a lot of spiritual bypass before, like in my
before motherhood.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Good vibes only yeah, okay, you know, good just uh positivity, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Positivity, toxic positivity, and like after this, I'm like no, no, no, no,
no no, I can't push away my dark because it
will come rearing its head if it's not welcomed and
like loved and accepted like all of me.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But again, music was this like haven that I'd come to.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And I think, like for anyone listening, creativity in general
is something that you could do if you're not a
songwriter and you have similar things. I think creativity just
is like way to come home to yourself. Yeah, remember
that there's something bigger flowing through you. And so I
went to my studio at one of the like the
apex of pain, like I'm just fear. My youngest Sophie
(25:12):
was in the hospital with like one hundred and six
degree fever.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I was terrifying.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, And we came home that night and I just
lost it. I went into my studio, which is in
the back house, and I just screamed like enough. I
didn't even know who I was screaming at. It, just
like screaming at God, are you here? What's who was here?
Like what the hell? I can't take another second of this?
And I just was squailing in pain and started crying mercy.
(25:39):
And out of that pain, something moved me towards the
piano and was like, go to the piano and put
your hands on the piano, and that cry of mercy
started to become these chords and this melody.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
And all of a sudden, after twenty minutes, this song
rushed through me. And this song is so joyful and
yet painful at the same time. It's like, if you
listen to it, there's there's hope and there's joy in
the chords, and yet the pain in my voice is
so visceral, and I think that's it couldn't have been me,
(26:16):
is all I'm saying. Like I was a mess, And
so I recognized in that moment that this amazing song
had poured through me, like who is here? Like God,
are you real it's something writing through me?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
AM? I supported, AM, I loved, and it was this
seed of hope that was planted that maybe I'm not
alone and maybe there's hope. And there was so much
more pain to come, but that muse likes once songwriting,
I realized that it could be this medicine and anchor.
I wasn't as terrified because I kind of realized, like,
(26:47):
are you doing what you did with me with the
fight song again?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I fucking hate you.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But okay, I'll let myself be a vessel.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Fine, let's write some music that'll help people hate you, because.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Because it hurts to be like to have to go.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Oh, it's just I don't know why. Like some artists
can just write.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Songs about the club and it's so I'm so jealous,
like mine are just so deep and painful.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Like no, but that's what you do so well though,
Like as I'm hearing you talk about mercy and how
it's this marriage of joy and pain, like that is
what you do. Yeah, that's your gift.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It's so brutal, but it's so it's yeah, it is
a gift, and sometimes I wrestle with it because I'm like, man,
it would be so nice to sing a cute little
pop song and just like.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
You know, or write about a boy or something. You know, girl,
that's not your testimony.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
No, it's not.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
No, God's like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay, So talk to me about this relationship with God.
Were you always like did you grow up religious? Were
you always leaning on God?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I didn't. I was raised Jewish, No, I had them.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's fie like did all the things, but in Judaism
for me, reform Judaism. I never realized, like, I have
a partner here that I can turn to directly. I
kind of associated it with like being in temple or
putting on your temple outfit. Yeah. Yeah, write the ritualistic
part right, the cultural part of the beautiful ceremonies at
home and pass over. I love it, But I never
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really felt this direct one on one relationship with God.
And I never related my songwriting and how Fight Song came.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I mean, that song was so clearly bigger than me. Oh,
it's so clearly three billion, I.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Might, right, And I wrote it alone in my apartment
in New York and wrestled with it and like so
recognizing that, I was like, all right, there's obviously something
bigger than me that's working with me when I put
my hands on a piano.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
And I just never really understood what it was. And
I tried a lot of things to find out. And
it was in this moment and during when I was
writing Mercy, that I was like, WHOA, you're God, your God,
and maybe you're not the God that people talk about.
I don't know what you look like. I don't know,
but yes, and it is triggering. But like, but God,
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for me is that just ever present, loving best friend, father, mother,
thing that holds me and rocks me like a baby
and says, baby, I love you no matter what. Drop
all of the pressure, drop the facade, drop the mask, like,
come into my arms and surrender again and again. And
when I do, I feel the way to the world
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off of me. And it's the only way that I healed,
And like, I think it's the only way that this
music came out and the only way that I'm able
to do this with two little kids. And I just
again and again turn to something bigger and say, like,
you do it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, I can't do.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
It, You do it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And so yeah, I have a very deep relationship with God.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now we're taking a short break, but we'll be right back.
And we're back. There's such a spiritual, almost hymno like
quality to some of your songs too. Are you inspired
by other forms of spirituality or other religions and do
you bring them into your work.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm inspired by anyone loving their creator. Yeah, I just
love anyone's love of the God of their understanding. I
love I just love man crying out to something bigger
mm hmm in any form, I think it's just so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
And I think it's so beautiful when we can turn
away from the world and turn inward. And that's what
I'm all about, and that's what I'm trying to help
my audience feel. No matter what you believe, there is
something inside of you that is so loving and so
wise and loves you so much. And I want you
to leave my show feeling so empowered and so lit
up and having felt your feelings and cried your tears
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and felt permission to be yourself. And then I want
you to leave and know how cradled and loved you are.
And then from that point, I want you to rise
up and like claim your power.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, that reminds me of this lyric and your song
set me free. I can't stop thinking about, particularly as
it relates to motherhood. I hope I get this right,
but I think it's I laid my roots down deep,
and now it's time to rise.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
That sounds good.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, whoa like chills, chills, Oh my gosh, thank you,
it's so good. I mean, that is good.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
It is good. That is good. Yes, say it's good,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It is I love this women celebrating their guests and
their talents. What does the rising feel like?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, it can feel like two different things.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
If I'm not grounded and really just clear on my
intention and purpose and why I'm doing this, it can
feel bubby and heady and exciting.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
And like almost manic.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, like like like the rise of Fight Song felt,
and like the whole Wildfire album and that whole crazy,
out of nowhere stratospheric rise out of anonymity of thirteen
years of like playing around the country and no one
caring and then all of a sudden boom, everyone cares
and it is so and that rise felt like.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
How do I keep up with this? Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
My god? Who am I?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
What's happening? People want?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Everyone wants my attention. I don't understand why no one
cared about me two minutes ago?
Speaker 3 (32:10):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But if I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Grounded, and if I'm really rooted and like like I said,
like if you lay roots down deep, then then when
the tree grows, when it's like you know that you
didn't do it alone a and that you're not going
to be swayed by the winds changing. People can say
what they want to say, and they're going to have
an opinion. The bigger you get, the brighter you shine.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
That's just what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And that used to really rock me before. So now
I'm kind of learning how to be, like, you know what,
I'm not for everyone. That's all right, that's great, you know,
why would I be for everyone? I'm going to stand
and shine my light and like light up whoever it's
meant to light up, you know. Yeah, And so that
kind of rise feels really calm and really like on
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purpose and really like I am doing what I here
on this earth to do.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yes, right, I am not meant to shrink walking out
into the room like God sent you there.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yes, I am not meant to cower, and like I
am not meant to play small. I think the line
in the song right after that is like I am
done with people pleasing and playing small. Yes, love me
as I am, or don't love me at all. And
sometimes I'm better at other times than believing that, But
right now I do feel that, like, yeah, I'm a mother,
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a created life. I went through hell, I found my
way back. I know I have God, I'm good, let's go.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I think there's something so symbolic about you having this
world renowned voice and then becoming a mother and going
through this dark night of the soul and almost feeling voiceless,
and then emerging with a new voice, both symbolically and literally. Ah.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, and you put it that way, it really lands.
Like I just I don't always get the perspective because
we're just in our own lives. Yeah, but like, man
feels right, that feels true.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You touched on this a little bit, Rachel, But how
heavy is it to be the fight song girl when
you can even fight for yourself, like when you're going
through your own mental health struggles?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Pretty impossible and confusing, I think, because it's a part
of me that's there, but it's not all of me.
And so when I can't access that part and people
know me for that part and look to me for that, Yeah,
(34:34):
I think it's kind of confusing. But I think that
I've learned how to claim a different kind of not
to be corny, but how to claim a different kind
of fight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You know, it's like a more surrendered, soft mama version
of it, which is, yeah, we're gonna fight and we're
gonna love ourselves, like, Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna curl
up on a couch and we're going to drink some
tea with our best friend and we're going to cry.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And then we're going to go fight.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Because you can't get to that if you don't acknowledge
the waves. You can't get to the oceanness of being,
if you don't recognize the rocking waves that are also happening.
We've got to first address them and then you can
sink beneath them. I follow Tara Brock's work too a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Her, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Oh more, you would love her, Okay, tell me more.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
She is so unreal.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Her work is one of the most true, incredible things
that have gotten me through. And she has a book
called Radical Compassion. She's a Buddhist and she's a psychologist
and she has a podcast that's incredible. But her one
of her practices is called RAIN and it's an acronym.
It stands for Recognize, Allow, Integrate, and nurture, And that
(35:50):
along with songwriting and all this other work and medication
really saved my life. And I did rounds and rounds
of this, and I think, I don't even know why
I'm talking about this. I don't have nothing to do
with fight song. Note it's how I fight now. It's
like I recognize what's there. I allow the feeling to
be there. I investigate in my body where is it? Yeah,
and then I speak to it lovingly, and then I
(36:10):
nurture myself and then I go and fight.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah? The sitting with is the hardest thing. Oh, I'm
so bad at it. That's so awful. It's so hard,
so hard.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's so much easier to just run away, but you can't.
You can only run away for so long.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Right, It'll find a way.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You are such a testament to the fact that our
careers don't end when we become mothers. This is something
that I want to hit all the time on our show,
and I talk about it a lot whenever young women
ask me about, like, Okay, how do I balance, you know,
having my career and being a mom. But it's not over, No,
it's just beginning.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Oh my god. I love who I am now. I
love where I am at, and I love.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Doing this as a mom because I I just feel
like I know who I am now I really know,
and nothing could unground me, you know, like we always
have our kids to humble us.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I was like screaming. I thought I was so good.
I was singing one of my songs.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Like oh, and my daughters came in and they're like,
can you fight song?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I was like, oh, fuck off, I have new material.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Wait, I'm still like not okay that we just got
a riff from Rachel Platten live in the studio.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That was insane.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Rachel, I can't think of a better place to end.
You are such a bright light. Thank you very much
for coming on the bright side.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Thank you. I loved it. It was so fun.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Thank you so much for tuning into the bright Side
this week. And if any part of today's episode resonated
with you, we've got resources for you. If you are
experiencing a postpartum mental health crisis, call one eight three
three TLC Mama, the National Maternal Health Hotline has this
twenty four to seven free confidential support line that you
(37:54):
can turn to both before, during, and after pregnancy. And also,
please please go listen to our season one interview with
doctor Nicki Pensak. She wrote a book called Rattle that
is essential reading for anyone experiencing the postpartum phase. And hey,
let's keep the conversation going. Find me at simone Voice
on social media. I'd love to chat. All right, We'll
(38:15):
see you next time. Until then, keep looking on the
bright side, y'all. The bright Side is a production of
Hello Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts and is executive produced by
Reese Witherspoon and me Simone Boyce. Production is by Acast
Creative Studios. Our producers are Taylor Williamson, Adrian Bain, and
Darby Masters. Our production assistant is Joya putnoy A Cast
(38:39):
Executive producers are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Maureen Polo
and Reese Witherspoon are the executive producers for Hello Sunshine.
Ali Perry is the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. Tim
Palazola is our showrunner. Our theme song is by Anna
Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser. Four
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