July 23, 2024 • 27 mins
Olympic great Briana Scurry was the goalkeeper for the historic, gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic Women’s Soccer Team in 1996, the year women's soccer debuted at the Olympics. From her childhood dreams of sporting glory to her personal triumphs and challenges, Briana reflects on a pioneering career defined by extraordinary resilience and determination. She discusses her fight for equal compensation for women's soccer, the "angels" in her life, and overcoming the tragic circumstances that led her to pawn — and eventually recover — her gold medals.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello Sunshine, Hey vesties.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, trailblazing Olympic gold medalist Brianna
Scurry is here. She's telling us what it was like
to compete in the nineteen ninety six Games, the very
first year that women's soccer was included in the Olympics.
It's Tuesday, July twenty third. I'm Simone Boyce.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from
Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
share women's stories, to laugh, learn and brighten your day. Simone.
We are only days away from the Paris Games, and
of course the Olympics kick off with the opening ceremony.
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So why is this important and special? Well, it's because
this year the opening ceremony will be making history. For
the first time ever, it will not be happening in
the stadium. Instead, it's going to be happening in the
heart of Paris, along its main artery, the Seine.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I can't think of a more magical, enchanted city to
be the backdrop for the Olympic Games. I was just
in Paris a few weeks ago and I had my
own little picnic along the Seine. It is such a
picturesque place to just people watch and really feel like
you are part of the beating heart of the city
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of Paris, like you just said, Daniellen. To see the
Olympic rings plastered all over these iconic institutions in Paris,
the Eiffel Tower, I mean, it was just really exciting.
And this year's Games will be a celebration of first
and historical moments. And this is something that our guest
today knows quite a bit about. See, Briana Scurry was
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part of the women's soccer team that debuted at the
Olympics in nineteen ninety six, and this is such an
important year in Olympic history because that year has been
described as such a watershed moment for women in sports.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I kind of want to drill into why so.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The American women who participated in the ninety six Games
were a part of the first generation of athletes raised
under Title nine. So that's the landmark federal law that
banned discrimination on the basis of gender in educational institutions,
which includes their athletic department. So it was also the
first year that women's soccer and softball were added to
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the Games. And what I find really remarkable about this
is we're just talking about nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I was born in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It is not that long ago that we started having
these conversations.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And the success that these athletes saw on the field
is just a testament to the untapped potential of female
athletes that was always there and always present in our
history as a nation before that moment. Because that summer,
American women absolutely dominated team sports. They won in basketball,
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in softball, soccer, gymnastics with a group now as the
Magnificent Seven.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yes, they did, and Brianna Scurry was part of that
women's soccer team that made history in nineteen ninety six
when they won the gold She was the goalkeeper. She
was one of the most talented and influential goalkeepers in
the entire world. I know that sounds crazy to say,
not just of the time, not just.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In America, in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And she was one of the first openly gay players
in the sport.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And then in twenty seventeen, she was elected to the
National Soccer Hall of Fame, making her the first woman
goalkeeper and first black woman awarded the prestigious honor. Now
among her many many accolades, Brianna is also an author.
She released her memoir My Greatest Save in twenty twenty two,
and now she's here with us to talk about her
grand legacy in the world of sports. Brianna, Welcome to
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the bright Side.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Welcome Brianna, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
How is everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh we're good.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
We have a legend in the house today.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We're so happy you're here with us.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I want to dive into some of the storylines from
this year's Games, but before we do that, I'm going
to need you.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To take us back.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Okay, take us back to Atlanta nineteen ninety six. It
was the first year that women's soccer was included in
the Olympic Games. What do you remember about how you
and your teammates felt and the conversation surrounding the games
as you were headed into the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
It was so exciting. I tell you, it was a
dream of a lifetime. I had wanted to be an
Olympian since I was eight years old. When I watched
the Lake Placid ice hockey team beat the USSR, and
so I was finally having my moment, and so for me,
it was a dream come true. For the rest of
the team as well, because we had never been in
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the Olympics before, and so it was very exciting. And
of course the games were here in the United States,
and so we knew that all our friends and family
would be in attendance, and so it was just so
exciting to be able to play in front of them,
and that Olympics was obviously incredibly exciting, and it's the
last Olympics we've had here for the summer Games, and
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so it was monumental.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It really was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We heard that the fans are back this year, which
is something that was obviously taken away during COVID. Yes,
as a soccer player, do the fans impact how you play?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Does it matter?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It didn't really matter as much for my generation, I
think because we didn't always have a whole lot of
fans except for the major tournaments. In the World Cup
in nineteen eighty five in Sweden, there was literally like
hundreds of people at the game. Sometimes it was so small,
and so we couldn't allow that to affect us really.
But obviously I feel like the team now that might
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affect them a little bit, but they would probably deny
that if you asked them.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Brianna, you have such a rich story as an athlete
and really just a true pioneer. I mean, you were
part of the first generation to benefit from Title nine,
but a lot of the resources that athletes are able
to exploit today weren't available to you. And from a
young age, you just showed this rare combination of bravery
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and resilience and persistence. I mean you were the only
black person and girl on your Pop Warner football team.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean we're digging deep. Okay, we're digging deep. Like,
how did you find the courage to do that? What
did that experience teach you? Was it hard to get
on the team? I have so many questions.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I love your asking me about this because I tell you, what, if.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I were to go back and rate my best athletic endeavors,
that Pop Warner team would be up there in the
top five. Because as a young girl living in rural Minnesota,
my dad and I were huge football fans, and so
we used to watch football back then only on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And when my mom and dad said that I could.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Actually play full on tackle with the boys, I was thrilled.
I couldn't believe they said, yes, I played defense and offense.
So I was a linebacker on defense and a wide
receiver on offense, and I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I used to sleep with the football in my hand
and I put my helmet on my head.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh my gosh, I loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
It was so awesome.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I was devastated when I unfortunately gained a couple of
pounds and was no longer able to be in the
lightweight team.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And my mom said, you know what, that's where we
draw the line.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
So you're going to have to find something else, and
then something else with soccer, and I guess it worked
out well.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It definitely worked out.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You were the first goalkeeper for Team USA, and there's
so much pressure around being the first anything. Can you
talk a little bit about the stakes and the pressure
that you guys felt.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's interesting. I never perceived it as pressure. I perceived
it more as responsibility and honor at the highest stakes.
I've always wanted to play on that big stage. For me.
I think it was in part my upbringing.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
My parents were incredibly supportive, and I never saw it
as a mountain that was difficult to climb. I knew
what I wanted was out there, but I always felt
like I could do it, and so for me it
was finally me arriving at the place that I always
wanted to be in, and so it was a lot
more exciting for me than it was pressure.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It just seemed like it was meant to be.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
And sure enough, the two times and Olympics that I've
played every game both gold medals.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I love that you said meant to be, because as
you were talking, all I could think about was, Oh,
that means you're in flow.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, like that is.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If you're doing what you're meant to be doing, the
pressure doesn't really exist.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You're just doing right.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I also think she's just built different. I think that
could be true. That's possible, that's possible.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
A few people would agree with you. I think I'm
not built different.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, let's zone into that. What do you mean built different?
How do you feel different?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I feel like my soccer career, for lack of a
better word, has always been anointed, and so I feel
like when both of my parents were alive and I
was playing, I was always going exactly where I wanted
to go and no matter what, I was going to
get there. And so I just so happened to go
to the University of Massachusetts. My coach Jim Rudy, knew
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the head coach of the national team, Anson Doris, really well,
and I just so happened to go to that school
and then Anson saw me play, and then he had
plans for me.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Way before I even knew he had plans for me.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And I find out all this stuff after the fact,
of course, so at the time I wasn't thinking about
any of this. But as it turned out, when I
was doing research for my book, like in interviews, they
were telling me all the stuff. They're like, Brian, like
first time I saw you play, I knew you were
going to be the starting goalkeeper for the national team,
like years before that, and.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I obviously had no idea.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I was just doing my thing, and so there was
always a path that was there for me. I just
had to keep walking it and believing in it. And
that's something that I was told by one of my captains,
Carla Overbeck, when I first played my first game on
the national team. She's like, you were meant to be here,
And so that's what I mean by anointed.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
When I hear you talk about your destiny and the
fact that you knew that so deep in your core
that you were destined for greatness and that you felt
anointed in your purpose. This all makes so much sense
because of the fact that you weren't just the first,
you were often the only. You were the only black
woman in that starting lineup. For a long time, you
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were the only openly gay player on the women's national team.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
As someone who has experienced what it's like to be
the only I know that it can be really isolating. Yes,
did you ever experience that? And how did you overcome it?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
You know, it's interesting too, because I'm an introvert, and
so the isolation feelings aren't really something I felt a
whole lot of. And so when I was in environments
where I was the only I was incredibly comfortable. To
the credit of my teammates. On just about every team
I played on, whether it was soccer, volleyball, or basketball
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or softball, running track, they always were welcoming even if
I was the only one, which was basically all the time.
They always had my back, and I knew it, and
I knew it then and I know it now.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I was supposed to be there.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
We'll be right back with Brianna Scurry.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We're back with Briana scurry.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I am looking at this Wheaty's box that you are on.
This is iconic, Like you look so excited. I'm not
sure I've ever believed a Wheatie's photo more it says
the Breakfast of Champions. And I look at you on
this box and I think, yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yes, it is you, like my acting jobs.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I didn't even realize you were acting. I thought that
was a real photo from the field.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I love it. I love it. No, that was a
reenactment that was done.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think literally in like a field next to my parents' house.
If you notice that jersey is definitely not official.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We've come a long way in terms of queer representation
in sports, absolutely, But you, as Danielle pointed out, were
part of the exclusive club of black lesbian athletes who
were pictured on a Wheatie's box. It's a very exclusive club.
And there was this specific moment in the nineteen ninety
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nine World Cup game where you went to go celebrate
with your girlfriend at the time and the network TV
cameras cut away from it. How did that feel in
that moment and how are you processing?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Like how far we've come? Oh, it's come complete?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
One eight from you know network cutting away to now
network is staying in there and zooming in on that
shot nowadays. And so back then it was interesting because
I remember watching the ninety nine final. It was months
later when I actually watched it, and I was like, Oh,
I'm going to go up to my girlfriend off some
who was like it was sad. It made me sad
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that they cut away because I knew exactly where they
were doing it once they realized it was a woman
up there that I was going to meet instead of
a relative or my parents, And I was like, what
the Like, I couldn't. I was like really really, And
so it was a disappointment for me. But then I
was in the twenty fifteen World Cup and when Abby
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was going to meet with her wife, they zoomed on
in and got that photo of Abby on the pitch
side and Sarah hanging over the railway, and that was
one of the most iconic photos of that World Cup.
And so when I saw that, I was like, all right,
we got it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Finally.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You sort of laid the groundwork for that moment.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It sounds like another thing that you laid the groundwork
for was this ongoing fight for equal pay. I mean
the women's soccer team won the gold in nineteen ninety six,
and just by comparison, the men's team didn't even place.
But there was significant pay inequality. Yes, what did you
observe at that time?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It was momentously huge pay disparity. And also another part
of the equity piece, I will say, is our games
in that Olympics, not a single minute was live. If
you weren't at the stadium seventy six thousand people, if
you were one of those seventy six thousand people that
were at that game, you did not see it because
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what you saw was NBC doing clips of highlights way
after the fact. None of that game was live except
for the interview with Bob Costas after.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
The game was over.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
So there was that, and I think that was a
part of the inequity as well. For the men's final
was on, but the women's final was not. And so
now you have a situation where we have all these
issues that we know about and we have to fight
for these things, and we fought with NBC along with
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a lot of our fans to rectify that situation. And
to their credit, you know, NBC has been the Olympic
spot or forever they've shown every single game live since,
and so that was actually for me the beginning of
the fighting. We wanted some equity with regards to resources.
We wanted a hotel rooms that the men had.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
We wanted our.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Sponsors to pay us similar dollars. We also wanted second
place pay in case we did it win. We're not
going to win everything, but the men would get, you know,
millions of dollars if they got second the silver medal,
but we wouldn't get anything if we got silver. So
that was a part of our issue as well. And
we had a lot of different fights with US Soccer
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over the time.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Brianna, as I was researching your career and just throughout
this conversation, I'm sitting here thinking, how is there not
a movie about this woman's life yet, because we haven't
even gotten to the Dark Knight of the Soul and
storytelling terms. You continued to play professionally until twenty ten
when you suffered a trem brain injury. You were kicked
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in the head during a game.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
What happened next, Oh, my life changed, absolutely changed forever.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Next I had that hit.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That was the third documented concussion that I never suffered,
but probably the hundredth actual concussion in terms that we
know now looking back, and I never played since. That
was April twenty ten, and I remember, you know, going
for a save low and the girl, to her credit,
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I mean, she was trying to get in there and
get the ball, and I didn't fault her at all
at the time, although I was a little bit mad
at her for a couple of years, but I'm okay
with it now. So she came in and tried to
get the ball and hit me inside of my head,
and I knew it was a different kind of hit
because I didn't see it coming and because it was
the temple.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
And so from what I've learned since then, there's a.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Reason why it was so bad, just because of how
it happened and where it happened.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That moment obviously changed the course of your life. It did,
But one of the things that hurt me the most
to read was that it put you in a dire
financial situation and you had to pawn your gold medals.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So I was hit in the head, and then for
the next couple of years we really struggled with cognitive issues.
I had all the symptoms that you can imagine, and
also wasn't able to work, and I was declared temporarily
totally disabled. And so when that happened, I couldn't work
because I really couldn't. I could barely read, I could
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couldn't learn, I couldn't retain information. And so my doctor
told me I needed to basically to sit on the
couch and be there while we worked through the situation
and got me better. And also my lawyer said the same.
And so over the time I was able to get
a judgment, but the insurance company constantly would decide to
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not send me my checks. And so each time that happened,
I was digging into my digging into my savings, and
this one over the course of years, and so that
got to a point where I was on the couch
one night, like late in the morning actually, and I
saw this advertisement about precious items, metals, jewelry.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Cars, you know, come and pawn them, man, you'll get cash.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
And I thought to myself, I need a bit of
a cushion, because I can't keep going on the edge
like this and you know, banking on the kindness and
patience of my landlord, because the insurance company's not paying me.
And so I made a decision that I was going
to pawn one of my medals, and so I was
absolutely devastated, but I knew I wasn't going to sell them,
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So I just want to make that clear to everybody
who was a pawn situation, which means I still own
them as long as I made the payments. And so
I took them to the pawn shop. It was in
New York City, and after I brought the medals there,
they assessed them and gave me the money, and I
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got back in my car and cried all the way home,
basically because the medals meant so much to me. I mean,
obviously from my family, all of our time and effort
was basically instilled in every single one of them and
both of them, and so that was really difficult for me.
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And then what happened was I continued to make the
payments over time, and then my angel appeared shortly thereafter.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We want to hear all about this angel, but first
we're taking a quick break.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Welcome back, So Briana tell us about this angel.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So I have three angels in my life.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
One is Naomi Gonzalez, who is my former partner, and
she came in my life right before my father passed away.
My second angel is my longtime friend of twenty six years, Carrie.
She's been in my life for half my life and
she is my angel that came right when I started
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playing on the national team. And then my third angel
is my wife Chrisa, who came into my life six
months roughly before my mom passed away and because of
my concussion Naomi, she and I had broken up. She
met Chrisa at an event and asked her if she
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would help me with the insurance company because Chrisa owns
a PR firm, and Naomi thought that it would be
a cool idea if Chrisa put pressure on the insurance
company by threatening them with media coverage and basically saying,
how dare you not pay for this surgery that I
needed of an Olympian and the World Cup champion, shame
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on you, And so she was going to expose them
to the media if they did it, pay and sure
enough they decided to pay, and my wife, chris came
into my life.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So that's that's my third angel.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Are you guys all friends?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We do.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You hang out?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We hang out so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I know.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
We were all at the opening of the National African
American Museum of Arts and Culture that I'm in at
the Smithsonian. And also, I would like to say before
I continue, Oh, she's.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Got props.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
The girls. Yay, you're back.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Bessie's she showing us her medals. Now, first order of business.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
After my wife found out that I had pawned these medals,
she was the only one that knew it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
She said, where are they?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Let's go, Let's go get them back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This is one of the best happy endings I've ever heard.
I think that the too.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think the Rotten Tomatoes score of your movie is
one hundred percent fresh. It's just so compelling and dynamic,
and you're just such a victor like you are the
definition of a victor overcoming everything that you've gone through.
And as I'm thinking about this movie in my head,
I'm also thinking about the moments that you shared with
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these sisters that you made both on and off the field,
those moments that we don't get to see of, you know,
being in the locker room together and just chopping it up,
or being on the bus together these long road trips.
Is there one story that you feel exemplifies the sisterhood
that you've found in sport.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Absolutely there is one.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
So first game of the Women's World Cup in nineteen
ninety nine at the meadow Land, we were on our
way there. We had a police escort, and the rhythm
for a game is the teams have to be in
the stadium no later than ninety minutes before the game starts,
and so our police escort was leading us out there
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and we had all this traffic.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I mean, we needed the escort.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
If we didn't have the escort, we would have been
late to our own party, So that would have been horrible.
So the police escort had us driving on the shoulder
of the New Jersey Parkway and we were like, oh
my gosh, we're going to be late.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
We're going to be late.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
So we're driving on the shoulder and we're like, why
is there another game going on at the same time
our game is going on, and we're like this is crazy.
So we're looking out the bus windows and we're like,
wait a minute. All these cars that says go Team
USA on a young girls with their faces painted they.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Were the fans for our game.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Wow, causing all the traffic, and we were absolutely giddy,
like We honestly did not know that, not even giddy
that everybody people tell you the.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Same story, the exact same way.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
We were like thinking that somebody made a mistake and
made a game at the same time, and we thought
for sure that this traffic was for that other event,
not for our event.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So the girls are in the vans and the cars are.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Like, wave, we got us, and we're like, wait, we
got them, and they're taking our pictures and we're taking
pictures of them, and it was just the We were
like little schoolgirls on that bus and it was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
In that moment you can see the impact that you're
having in real time.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yes, seventy six thousand, only the Pope had more people
at the Meadowlands than we did. Pope he could have
people on the infield, by the way, that's the only
reason why he had more people at his event, because
we have to play on that pitch and he could
put people on it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So that's where it's different.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, as we head into this year's Games, who or
what do you have your eye on?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
So obviously every single Summer Olympics, I have my eye
on women's soccer tournament absolutely, and for me, that's always
a great draw in something that's very exciting because it's ironic,
and I will say this is kind of weird, but
you might actually appreciate it. I get more nervous now
because I wasn't nervous when I was playing at all.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But now I'm like for these.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Kids, literally because they're half my age, and I'm all
excited for them. And now I understand what it must
have been like for my parents to be goalkeeper parents
and have to worry about their child out there playing
on the big stage. But I can't wait for that.
And then also I want to see Simone. I can't
wait to see Simone Biles out there. I tell you
to talk about brave, you know, I mean for me.
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I'm a huge advocate for mental health, as you can imagine,
I've been talking about it since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And her bravery that.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
She showed in the last games where she had a
step back, and that was true bravery.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
She just knew I have to do this.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I'm just not ready, can't do this right now, And
that took way more courage than anything else she'd probably
ever done before that, and I appreciate and respect that
about her.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I want to see her do well.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Briana, we could talk to you all day. You are
such an inspiration. Thank you, Thank you so much for
bringing your story here on the bright side.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Briana Scurry is one of the most decorated goalkeepers in
American women's soccer history and the author of My Greatest Save.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, we're talking to sleep
scientist doctor Rebecca Robbins about how to get good sleep,
active dreaming, and whether it's possible for any of us
to actually catch up on sleep.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Keep looking on the bright side.
Hello Sunshine, Hey vesties.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, trailblazing Olympic gold medalist Brianna
Scurry is here. She's telling us what it was like
to compete in the nineteen ninety six Games, the very
first year that women's soccer was included in the Olympics.
It's Tuesday, July twenty third. I'm Simone Boyce.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from
Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
share women's stories, to laugh, learn and brighten your day. Simone.
We are only days away from the Paris Games, and
of course the Olympics kick off with the opening ceremony.
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So why is this important and special? Well, it's because
this year the opening ceremony will be making history. For
the first time ever, it will not be happening in
the stadium. Instead, it's going to be happening in the
heart of Paris, along its main artery, the Seine.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I can't think of a more magical, enchanted city to
be the backdrop for the Olympic Games. I was just
in Paris a few weeks ago and I had my
own little picnic along the Seine. It is such a
picturesque place to just people watch and really feel like
you are part of the beating heart of the city
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of Paris, like you just said, Daniellen. To see the
Olympic rings plastered all over these iconic institutions in Paris,
the Eiffel Tower, I mean, it was just really exciting.
And this year's Games will be a celebration of first
and historical moments. And this is something that our guest
today knows quite a bit about. See, Briana Scurry was
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part of the women's soccer team that debuted at the
Olympics in nineteen ninety six, and this is such an
important year in Olympic history because that year has been
described as such a watershed moment for women in sports.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I kind of want to drill into why so.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
The American women who participated in the ninety six Games
were a part of the first generation of athletes raised
under Title nine. So that's the landmark federal law that
banned discrimination on the basis of gender in educational institutions,
which includes their athletic department. So it was also the
first year that women's soccer and softball were added to
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the Games. And what I find really remarkable about this
is we're just talking about nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I was born in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It is not that long ago that we started having
these conversations.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And the success that these athletes saw on the field
is just a testament to the untapped potential of female
athletes that was always there and always present in our
history as a nation before that moment. Because that summer,
American women absolutely dominated team sports. They won in basketball,
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in softball, soccer, gymnastics with a group now as the
Magnificent Seven.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yes, they did, and Brianna Scurry was part of that
women's soccer team that made history in nineteen ninety six
when they won the gold She was the goalkeeper. She
was one of the most talented and influential goalkeepers in
the entire world. I know that sounds crazy to say,
not just of the time, not just.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
In America, in the world.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
And she was one of the first openly gay players
in the sport.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
And then in twenty seventeen, she was elected to the
National Soccer Hall of Fame, making her the first woman
goalkeeper and first black woman awarded the prestigious honor. Now
among her many many accolades, Brianna is also an author.
She released her memoir My Greatest Save in twenty twenty two,
and now she's here with us to talk about her
grand legacy in the world of sports. Brianna, Welcome to
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the bright Side.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Welcome Brianna, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
How is everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh we're good.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
We have a legend in the house today.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We're so happy you're here with us.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I want to dive into some of the storylines from
this year's Games, but before we do that, I'm going
to need you.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
To take us back.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Okay, take us back to Atlanta nineteen ninety six. It
was the first year that women's soccer was included in
the Olympic Games. What do you remember about how you
and your teammates felt and the conversation surrounding the games
as you were headed into the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
It was so exciting. I tell you, it was a
dream of a lifetime. I had wanted to be an
Olympian since I was eight years old. When I watched
the Lake Placid ice hockey team beat the USSR, and
so I was finally having my moment, and so for me,
it was a dream come true. For the rest of
the team as well, because we had never been in
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the Olympics before, and so it was very exciting. And
of course the games were here in the United States,
and so we knew that all our friends and family
would be in attendance, and so it was just so
exciting to be able to play in front of them,
and that Olympics was obviously incredibly exciting, and it's the
last Olympics we've had here for the summer Games, and
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so it was monumental.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
It really was.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We heard that the fans are back this year, which
is something that was obviously taken away during COVID. Yes,
as a soccer player, do the fans impact how you play?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Does it matter?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
It didn't really matter as much for my generation, I
think because we didn't always have a whole lot of
fans except for the major tournaments. In the World Cup
in nineteen eighty five in Sweden, there was literally like
hundreds of people at the game. Sometimes it was so small,
and so we couldn't allow that to affect us really.
But obviously I feel like the team now that might
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affect them a little bit, but they would probably deny
that if you asked them.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Brianna, you have such a rich story as an athlete
and really just a true pioneer. I mean, you were
part of the first generation to benefit from Title nine,
but a lot of the resources that athletes are able
to exploit today weren't available to you. And from a
young age, you just showed this rare combination of bravery
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and resilience and persistence. I mean you were the only
black person and girl on your Pop Warner football team.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I mean we're digging deep. Okay, we're digging deep. Like,
how did you find the courage to do that? What
did that experience teach you? Was it hard to get
on the team? I have so many questions.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I love your asking me about this because I tell you, what, if.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I were to go back and rate my best athletic endeavors,
that Pop Warner team would be up there in the
top five. Because as a young girl living in rural Minnesota,
my dad and I were huge football fans, and so
we used to watch football back then only on Sundays.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
And when my mom and dad said that I could.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Actually play full on tackle with the boys, I was thrilled.
I couldn't believe they said, yes, I played defense and offense.
So I was a linebacker on defense and a wide
receiver on offense, and I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I used to sleep with the football in my hand
and I put my helmet on my head.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh my gosh, I loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
It was so awesome.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I was devastated when I unfortunately gained a couple of
pounds and was no longer able to be in the
lightweight team.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And my mom said, you know what, that's where we
draw the line.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
So you're going to have to find something else, and
then something else with soccer, and I guess it worked
out well.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It definitely worked out.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You were the first goalkeeper for Team USA, and there's
so much pressure around being the first anything. Can you
talk a little bit about the stakes and the pressure
that you guys felt.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
It's interesting. I never perceived it as pressure. I perceived
it more as responsibility and honor at the highest stakes.
I've always wanted to play on that big stage. For me.
I think it was in part my upbringing.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
My parents were incredibly supportive, and I never saw it
as a mountain that was difficult to climb. I knew
what I wanted was out there, but I always felt
like I could do it, and so for me it
was finally me arriving at the place that I always
wanted to be in, and so it was a lot
more exciting for me than it was pressure.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
It just seemed like it was meant to be.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
And sure enough, the two times and Olympics that I've
played every game both gold medals.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I love that you said meant to be, because as
you were talking, all I could think about was, Oh,
that means you're in flow.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, like that is.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
If you're doing what you're meant to be doing, the
pressure doesn't really exist.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You're just doing right.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I also think she's just built different. I think that
could be true. That's possible, that's possible.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
A few people would agree with you. I think I'm
not built different.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, let's zone into that. What do you mean built different?
How do you feel different?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I feel like my soccer career, for lack of a
better word, has always been anointed, and so I feel
like when both of my parents were alive and I
was playing, I was always going exactly where I wanted
to go and no matter what, I was going to
get there. And so I just so happened to go
to the University of Massachusetts. My coach Jim Rudy, knew
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the head coach of the national team, Anson Doris, really well,
and I just so happened to go to that school
and then Anson saw me play, and then he had
plans for me.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Way before I even knew he had plans for me.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
And I find out all this stuff after the fact,
of course, so at the time I wasn't thinking about
any of this. But as it turned out, when I
was doing research for my book, like in interviews, they
were telling me all the stuff. They're like, Brian, like
first time I saw you play, I knew you were
going to be the starting goalkeeper for the national team,
like years before that, and.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I obviously had no idea.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I was just doing my thing, and so there was
always a path that was there for me. I just
had to keep walking it and believing in it. And
that's something that I was told by one of my captains,
Carla Overbeck, when I first played my first game on
the national team. She's like, you were meant to be here,
And so that's what I mean by anointed.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
When I hear you talk about your destiny and the
fact that you knew that so deep in your core
that you were destined for greatness and that you felt
anointed in your purpose. This all makes so much sense
because of the fact that you weren't just the first,
you were often the only. You were the only black
woman in that starting lineup. For a long time, you
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were the only openly gay player on the women's national team.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
As someone who has experienced what it's like to be
the only I know that it can be really isolating. Yes,
did you ever experience that? And how did you overcome it?
Speaker 5 (10:37):
You know, it's interesting too, because I'm an introvert, and
so the isolation feelings aren't really something I felt a
whole lot of. And so when I was in environments
where I was the only I was incredibly comfortable. To
the credit of my teammates. On just about every team
I played on, whether it was soccer, volleyball, or basketball
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or softball, running track, they always were welcoming even if
I was the only one, which was basically all the time.
They always had my back, and I knew it, and
I knew it then and I know it now.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I was supposed to be there.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
We'll be right back with Brianna Scurry.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We're back with Briana scurry.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I am looking at this Wheaty's box that you are on.
This is iconic, Like you look so excited. I'm not
sure I've ever believed a Wheatie's photo more it says
the Breakfast of Champions. And I look at you on
this box and I think, yes, it is.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yes, it is you, like my acting jobs.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I didn't even realize you were acting. I thought that
was a real photo from the field.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
I love it. I love it. No, that was a
reenactment that was done.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think literally in like a field next to my parents' house.
If you notice that jersey is definitely not official.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We've come a long way in terms of queer representation
in sports, absolutely, But you, as Danielle pointed out, were
part of the exclusive club of black lesbian athletes who
were pictured on a Wheatie's box. It's a very exclusive club.
And there was this specific moment in the nineteen ninety
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nine World Cup game where you went to go celebrate
with your girlfriend at the time and the network TV
cameras cut away from it. How did that feel in
that moment and how are you processing?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Like how far we've come? Oh, it's come complete?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
One eight from you know network cutting away to now
network is staying in there and zooming in on that
shot nowadays. And so back then it was interesting because
I remember watching the ninety nine final. It was months
later when I actually watched it, and I was like, Oh,
I'm going to go up to my girlfriend off some
who was like it was sad. It made me sad
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that they cut away because I knew exactly where they
were doing it once they realized it was a woman
up there that I was going to meet instead of
a relative or my parents, And I was like, what
the Like, I couldn't. I was like really really, And
so it was a disappointment for me. But then I
was in the twenty fifteen World Cup and when Abby
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was going to meet with her wife, they zoomed on
in and got that photo of Abby on the pitch
side and Sarah hanging over the railway, and that was
one of the most iconic photos of that World Cup.
And so when I saw that, I was like, all right,
we got it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Finally.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
You sort of laid the groundwork for that moment.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
It sounds like another thing that you laid the groundwork
for was this ongoing fight for equal pay. I mean
the women's soccer team won the gold in nineteen ninety six,
and just by comparison, the men's team didn't even place.
But there was significant pay inequality. Yes, what did you
observe at that time?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
It was momentously huge pay disparity. And also another part
of the equity piece, I will say, is our games
in that Olympics, not a single minute was live. If
you weren't at the stadium seventy six thousand people, if
you were one of those seventy six thousand people that
were at that game, you did not see it because
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what you saw was NBC doing clips of highlights way
after the fact. None of that game was live except
for the interview with Bob Costas after.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
The game was over.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
So there was that, and I think that was a
part of the inequity as well. For the men's final
was on, but the women's final was not. And so
now you have a situation where we have all these
issues that we know about and we have to fight
for these things, and we fought with NBC along with
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a lot of our fans to rectify that situation. And
to their credit, you know, NBC has been the Olympic
spot or forever they've shown every single game live since,
and so that was actually for me the beginning of
the fighting. We wanted some equity with regards to resources.
We wanted a hotel rooms that the men had.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
We wanted our.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Sponsors to pay us similar dollars. We also wanted second
place pay in case we did it win. We're not
going to win everything, but the men would get, you know,
millions of dollars if they got second the silver medal,
but we wouldn't get anything if we got silver. So
that was a part of our issue as well. And
we had a lot of different fights with US Soccer
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over the time.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Brianna, as I was researching your career and just throughout
this conversation, I'm sitting here thinking, how is there not
a movie about this woman's life yet, because we haven't
even gotten to the Dark Knight of the Soul and
storytelling terms. You continued to play professionally until twenty ten
when you suffered a trem brain injury. You were kicked
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in the head during a game.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
What happened next, Oh, my life changed, absolutely changed forever.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Next I had that hit.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
That was the third documented concussion that I never suffered,
but probably the hundredth actual concussion in terms that we
know now looking back, and I never played since. That
was April twenty ten, and I remember, you know, going
for a save low and the girl, to her credit,
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I mean, she was trying to get in there and
get the ball, and I didn't fault her at all
at the time, although I was a little bit mad
at her for a couple of years, but I'm okay
with it now. So she came in and tried to
get the ball and hit me inside of my head,
and I knew it was a different kind of hit
because I didn't see it coming and because it was
the temple.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
And so from what I've learned since then, there's a.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Reason why it was so bad, just because of how
it happened and where it happened.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That moment obviously changed the course of your life. It did,
But one of the things that hurt me the most
to read was that it put you in a dire
financial situation and you had to pawn your gold medals.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
So I was hit in the head, and then for
the next couple of years we really struggled with cognitive issues.
I had all the symptoms that you can imagine, and
also wasn't able to work, and I was declared temporarily
totally disabled. And so when that happened, I couldn't work
because I really couldn't. I could barely read, I could
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couldn't learn, I couldn't retain information. And so my doctor
told me I needed to basically to sit on the
couch and be there while we worked through the situation
and got me better. And also my lawyer said the same.
And so over the time I was able to get
a judgment, but the insurance company constantly would decide to
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not send me my checks. And so each time that happened,
I was digging into my digging into my savings, and
this one over the course of years, and so that
got to a point where I was on the couch
one night, like late in the morning actually, and I
saw this advertisement about precious items, metals, jewelry.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Cars, you know, come and pawn them, man, you'll get cash.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
And I thought to myself, I need a bit of
a cushion, because I can't keep going on the edge
like this and you know, banking on the kindness and
patience of my landlord, because the insurance company's not paying me.
And so I made a decision that I was going
to pawn one of my medals, and so I was
absolutely devastated, but I knew I wasn't going to sell them,
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So I just want to make that clear to everybody
who was a pawn situation, which means I still own
them as long as I made the payments. And so
I took them to the pawn shop. It was in
New York City, and after I brought the medals there,
they assessed them and gave me the money, and I
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got back in my car and cried all the way home,
basically because the medals meant so much to me. I mean,
obviously from my family, all of our time and effort
was basically instilled in every single one of them and
both of them, and so that was really difficult for me.
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And then what happened was I continued to make the
payments over time, and then my angel appeared shortly thereafter.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
We want to hear all about this angel, but first
we're taking a quick break.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Welcome back, So Briana tell us about this angel.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So I have three angels in my life.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
One is Naomi Gonzalez, who is my former partner, and
she came in my life right before my father passed away.
My second angel is my longtime friend of twenty six years, Carrie.
She's been in my life for half my life and
she is my angel that came right when I started
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playing on the national team. And then my third angel
is my wife Chrisa, who came into my life six
months roughly before my mom passed away and because of
my concussion Naomi, she and I had broken up. She
met Chrisa at an event and asked her if she
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would help me with the insurance company because Chrisa owns
a PR firm, and Naomi thought that it would be
a cool idea if Chrisa put pressure on the insurance
company by threatening them with media coverage and basically saying,
how dare you not pay for this surgery that I
needed of an Olympian and the World Cup champion, shame
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on you, And so she was going to expose them
to the media if they did it, pay and sure
enough they decided to pay, and my wife, chris came
into my life.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
So that's that's my third angel.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Are you guys all friends?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
We do.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
You hang out?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We hang out so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I know.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
We were all at the opening of the National African
American Museum of Arts and Culture that I'm in at
the Smithsonian. And also, I would like to say before
I continue, Oh, she's.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Got props.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
The girls. Yay, you're back.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Bessie's she showing us her medals. Now, first order of business.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
After my wife found out that I had pawned these medals,
she was the only one that knew it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
She said, where are they?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Let's go, Let's go get them back.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
This is amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
This is one of the best happy endings I've ever heard.
I think that the too.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think the Rotten Tomatoes score of your movie is
one hundred percent fresh. It's just so compelling and dynamic,
and you're just such a victor like you are the
definition of a victor overcoming everything that you've gone through.
And as I'm thinking about this movie in my head,
I'm also thinking about the moments that you shared with
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these sisters that you made both on and off the field,
those moments that we don't get to see of, you know,
being in the locker room together and just chopping it up,
or being on the bus together these long road trips.
Is there one story that you feel exemplifies the sisterhood
that you've found in sport.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Absolutely there is one.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
So first game of the Women's World Cup in nineteen
ninety nine at the meadow Land, we were on our
way there. We had a police escort, and the rhythm
for a game is the teams have to be in
the stadium no later than ninety minutes before the game starts,
and so our police escort was leading us out there
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and we had all this traffic.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I mean, we needed the escort.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
If we didn't have the escort, we would have been
late to our own party, So that would have been horrible.
So the police escort had us driving on the shoulder
of the New Jersey Parkway and we were like, oh
my gosh, we're going to be late.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
We're going to be late.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
So we're driving on the shoulder and we're like, why
is there another game going on at the same time
our game is going on, and we're like this is crazy.
So we're looking out the bus windows and we're like,
wait a minute. All these cars that says go Team
USA on a young girls with their faces painted they.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Were the fans for our game.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Wow, causing all the traffic, and we were absolutely giddy,
like We honestly did not know that, not even giddy
that everybody people tell you the.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Same story, the exact same way.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
We were like thinking that somebody made a mistake and
made a game at the same time, and we thought
for sure that this traffic was for that other event,
not for our event.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So the girls are in the vans and the cars are.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Like, wave, we got us, and we're like, wait, we
got them, and they're taking our pictures and we're taking
pictures of them, and it was just the We were
like little schoolgirls on that bus and it was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
In that moment you can see the impact that you're
having in real time.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yes, seventy six thousand, only the Pope had more people
at the Meadowlands than we did. Pope he could have
people on the infield, by the way, that's the only
reason why he had more people at his event, because
we have to play on that pitch and he could
put people on it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So that's where it's different.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Well, as we head into this year's Games, who or
what do you have your eye on?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
So obviously every single Summer Olympics, I have my eye
on women's soccer tournament absolutely, and for me, that's always
a great draw in something that's very exciting because it's ironic,
and I will say this is kind of weird, but
you might actually appreciate it. I get more nervous now
because I wasn't nervous when I was playing at all.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
But now I'm like for these.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Kids, literally because they're half my age, and I'm all
excited for them. And now I understand what it must
have been like for my parents to be goalkeeper parents
and have to worry about their child out there playing
on the big stage. But I can't wait for that.
And then also I want to see Simone. I can't
wait to see Simone Biles out there. I tell you
to talk about brave, you know, I mean for me.
(25:41):
I'm a huge advocate for mental health, as you can imagine,
I've been talking about it since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And her bravery that.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
She showed in the last games where she had a
step back, and that was true bravery.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
She just knew I have to do this.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I'm just not ready, can't do this right now, And
that took way more courage than anything else she'd probably
ever done before that, and I appreciate and respect that
about her.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
I want to see her do well.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Briana, we could talk to you all day. You are
such an inspiration. Thank you, Thank you so much for
bringing your story here on the bright side.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Briana Scurry is one of the most decorated goalkeepers in
American women's soccer history and the author of My Greatest Save.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, we're talking to sleep
scientist doctor Rebecca Robbins about how to get good sleep,
active dreaming, and whether it's possible for any of us
to actually catch up on sleep.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
We'll see you tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Keep looking on the bright side.
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