November 19, 2024 • 27 mins
Confidence coach and author Susie Moore shares her expert tips for making the most of networking during the holiday season. By tapping into the "holiday glow" and crafting genuine, thoughtful connections, Susie encourages us to reframe networking as relationship building — whether it's reconnecting with old colleagues or reaching out to new contacts. She also offers practical advice on how to approach cold emails, make meaningful asks, and leverage your existing network to create new opportunities.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, we're diving into networking and
why the holiday season might just be the perfect time
to rekindle your professional connections.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Caulfin It's coach Susie.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Moore joins us with the tools to crush those networking
nerves and the smartest ways to reach out, and a
little known secret how gratitude can be a game changer
in a cold call. It's Tuesday, November nineteenth. I'm Danielle Robe.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And I'm Simoan Boyce and this is the bright Side
from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together
to share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. Danielle,
Thanksgiving is a week away, which is so crazy, and
that means we're going to be in a mad dash
through the holidays and into the new year.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I love how social this time of year is, and
our guest today is here to help us make the
most of the holiday season's networking opportunities with what she
calls the holiday glow.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We all know the benefits of networking, but frankly, I
don't always have the energy for it. And to be honest,
like I used to network quote unquote a lot more
when I was younger and in my twenties and just
starting out, But as I've gotten older, sometimes the idea
of networking can feel kind of cringe. I know that
this is a struggle among some of my friends too.
(01:19):
I hear that people don't always know what to say
when they reach out, or don't even know who to
reach out to in the first place.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
To that point, I actually stopped calling it networking a
few years ago and just started calling it relationship building
because I agree it can feel kind of cringe, and
I'm excited to ask our guests about that. So Confidence
Coach Susie Moore is a former Silicon Valley sales director
turned life coach. Susie's all about removing the fear around
networking and equipping us with the tools to reconnect with
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colleagues both past and present and spark relationships that can
really set us up for success in the new year.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Susie Moore, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I am so excited, Danielle someone to be here, truly,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Of course, we're so happy to have you, and we
were just talking about how this actually isn't the first
time that your teachings have appeared on our show. We
initially shared your insights on how to manage emotions while
you're at the workplace and dealing with business frustrations. So
we're so happy to have you here to talk about
another very important topic, which is networking, and specifically we
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want to talk about networking through the lens of the
holiday break. You actually say that we should be thinking
about networking strategically this time of year.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh my gosh, ladies, when you think about it, isn't
there a holiday glow around this kind of time of
year heading through November into December. I know it's busy.
I know there's family stuff, but this is the season
right of generosity, of being warm hearted. It's all about
the spirit and what we can do for each other.
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So I say, take advantage, take advantage of this time
when people happier, spirits a buoyance, and it's very natural
that it can be really fun to reach out to
people this time of year. We're all feeling a bit reflective,
hopeful for a new year, and I think there are
so many easy ways that we could do it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I am so curious what those easy ways are, because
I mentor a lot of younger women, And the most
common thing that they all say to me is they
don't know how to reach out or like, is it
weird if they say X, Y, and Z or send
a cold email. But in your work you say that
emails are not the only way to reach out. What
do you think the best ways to reach out are?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think even just the term networking seems intimidating, right,
I even kind of use other words in some cases,
just you know, connecting or reconnecting or showing up in
new places. And when it comes to reaching out to people,
not only is it appropriate, but if we're not doing it,
we're really missing out. Whatever it is that you want
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from your networking in the coming weeks. Your intention, for example,
is to find a job, or to move into a
new career or into a new industry. It's going to
be people that let that happen. Right. Sometimes we think, oh,
it's a company. It's not a company, it's not a brand.
It's human beings who work there, human beings who know
other human beings who hire, etc. So the way that
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I think about it is networking is appropriate, it's natural,
it can be fun, and ideally you start where you
are with what you have, and most people don't even
realize that their networks are bigger than perhaps they realize.
This is what it's good to have an intention for
your networking. Who do you know? Where can you potentially start,
even if it's not an obvious match, by just creating
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a list getting started? I like to start with at
least thirty people, so that you don't feel super attached
or tied to one.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Person, Lance Suzi, you think so thirty, Well, I like that.
I get what you're saying is so you feel less attached.
But I've never thought about putting a list together of
thirty people.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Well, if you think about if if you've had just
say one or two jobs, even say entry level jobs,
there are coworkers that you've had, and managers and people
who know other people. Maybe you're part of a book
club or a running club, or you have a gym membership.
There are so many ways that I think we overlook
the connections that we have, and when we're willing to
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take the initiative, feel willing to feel a little uncomfortable,
which is all confidence is really in the end, then
so much can open up. And why wouldn't we like
why wouldn't we do that take advantage of this time
of year. There is nothing worse in sitting around hoping
something's going to just land on your lap. Taking the initiative,
creating your own momentum and reaching out to others. It's
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amazing the turnarounds that we can see.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So how do you compile this list of thirty people?
Where do you look for them?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I find LinkedIn the most helpful because you can filter
by location, you can filter by industry, you can even
filter by job level, And I would think, who do
I know? Who? Maybe I've just forgotten about. Often when
I even help people compile their this, they're like, oh yeah,
I forgot that that friend's husband works here. And so
I'd stop by sitting down doing a rough brainstorm. There
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are going to be some obvious people that come to
mind to begin with. That's really letting it be easy, right,
the first people who come to mind. But then when
you just look at your social channels and you look
at any other networks you have in your life, like
in real life, then if you set this goal of thirty,
so if I wanted to connect with an old co worker,
extending gratitude and connecting with others in this way of
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appreciating them is also a really lovely way to open
up or reopen a conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I also love the specificity of that susy because I
think people are more apt to reply or want to
reply when it doesn't feel like this blanket hello, here's
what I need type of an email when it's really
tailored and thoughtful.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yes, and that takes very little time. That takes very little,
just like sometimes in my work I'll say one or
two minutes of homework can save like hours of hustle.
So reaching out with something like you say specific that
sincere right sincerity is really important in this because I
think networking has this reputation of you know, reaching out
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you need something, using people getting what you can. But
when we approach it, I think open heartedly from a
place of integrity and honesty. Who knows what can form,
who knows how your world can open up when you
sees it and you make it happen, especially this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I've actually reframed the word in my mind. I think
of it as relationship building because networking has this sort
of like connotation that you're talking about, like like snake
in the grass, almost and it's just not how I
view it at all, Like we're all in different ways
in the business of connection, and so I just think
about in terms of relationship building, and I approach it like,
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how would I approach a new friend.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Who knows what could come from a connection, And yeah,
of course ideally something good for you, but who knows
what it could also do for someone else. Good things
happen when we care about each other.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And when you're providing value to someone else. When I
think about the people who I actually wanted to stay
in touch with when I was working as a reporter,
someone that comes to mind is a publicist who every
time he reached out to me, he provided value in
some way. He invited me to come check out some
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exhibit he was working on, or he provided some new
insight into women's sports that I wasn't aware of. So
I always prioritized that relationship with this particular publicist because
he just positioned himself to be of service, and I
thought that that was a really powerful way to go
about relationship building.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Don't go anywhere. We have more from Susie.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Right after the break, and we're back with Susie Moore. Susie,
what about specific language for the ask. Because you gave
us a great intro to the email, which is a
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thank you or a thoughtful moment, what about the ask?
Do you are you in the camp of just going
for it?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, it depends on what the ask is, right, So,
if you want to get together in person with someone,
that's not always going to be possible based on your location.
But if you're getting together in personal that feels like
feasible and fun. Absolutely. By the way, fun fact, December
specifically that week between Christmas and New Year, it's less
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busy than people realize. It's always that, you know, let's
circle back off to the holidays. That's kind of like
the mantra we start hearing around now. But a lot
of people they have like this holiday downtime, And I've
had lots of meetings, lots of connections in this period.
Have you ever noticed that, Like, are you that busy
between Christmas and New Year?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I completely lose track of time during that liminal space
between Christmas and New Year's Like I don't know what
day it is. I personally, I don't think I'm in
the right headspace for work and relationship building. Then I'm
so family oriented but I think you bring up a
really good point that sometimes the seasons where we expect
people to be really busy, maybe they're actually open to connection.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes and not everyone has a close by family, right
and now everyone has the gorgeous luxury of like close friends,
they spend time with their kids. So getting together with
someone during you know, the holidays, that can even have
this pressure of oh community and connection. You can even
be that for somebody. So I would absolutely go for
an ask, ask for something low stakes thirty minutes. I
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love the statement to share information. Let's just share spinfo
about the industry. It's not like I'm looking for a job.
Can you help me? Make it very casual, be cool,
and don't put any pressure.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I just have a quick little pushback to that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I want to know what you think, okay, because
when I get emails from people who are just kind
of like, would like love to share some information about
the industry, I'm like, I'm so sorry, I don't have
time for that. Like I actually want a specific ask
because then maybe I can help.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So what do you think?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So if someone who didn't know you at all was
coming to you with the question, that'd be better for
you yeah, I think that there are some people who
receive a lot of requests. I don't know if that's everybody.
I think that if someone is receiving a lot of
requests specificity absolutely, because you know that you're probably one
of many in an inbox and you want to stand
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out and you want to just really shoot your shot. Well,
when you're reaching out to someone in that case, I'm
sure you even have your typical kind of response, like
do you just have a quick question? You know, how
can I help you? Like you'd also want something to
be probably quite rapid, a rapid way in which you
could help. But I'm not sure that's true at large necessarily,
but I agree for someone who receives a lot it
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has a very very busy inbox full of requests. Then
being specific and having one direct question and just say
saying five minutes or a quick answer to this or
for example, it's the same if someone's asking for a
book endorsement, it's like, hey, can I and here are
three that I've written up? Can you approve one?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Making its speed is wonderful. But I do think, largely speaking,
if you're going for abroad, if you're casting a wider net.
You'd want to gauge it based on the person and
what you think, like how kind of in demand they are?
And this is a thing too, right, Life is not
like this one approach fits all. And you know you said,
Danielle blanket approaches. They're a little rough. In my opinion,
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I really don't like them when I receive them. So
this is also a bit experimental, right, like, let's have fun.
Why are you so serious? I think networking is like
this fun natural part of life that I want to
take advantage of and enjoy versus psyche myself up for
and go, Okay, it's my networking hour. I'm going to
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sit down now and do my reach out. What if
it's different, what if it's a bit more lighthearted and
not so serious?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I love approach.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I think everything goes wrong whenever you place too much
pressure on the outcome.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So I agree with you one thousand percent, susy.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay, speaking of keeping things fun and light, do you
have any suggestions for subject lines? Is it okay to
get playful with the subject line?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Do you just love a cheeky little subject line?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I do personally, but I don't know if it's effective
or professional.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I think it's wildly wildly professional if you're speaking to
a corporation. I had this funny distinction recently. There was
a new head of human resources for a tech company,
and no one was responding to his emails. You know,
you had to fill out a new form based on
a new tax law. It was like, please fill out
XYZ form reminder action required, And no one's responding, and
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he's freaking out and the subject is, hey, can I
pay you? It's like, we're all human beings, right. I
think that we get it wrong when we think that
we have to sound like corporations, or we have to
sound like lawyers, or we have to use this kind
of contract style language with human beings. So I'm all
about the fun, super fun subject lines all lower case.
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I keep it really really casual. If it's something like
formal request, you know, I can see that's important. But
when we can kind of I think, even crack through
some of the things that we think we should do,
and we can be even like the bright spot in
someone's day. So I've seen some wild funny subject lines
in my life and I love them, and I think,
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aren't you some much more apt to click on something
that makes you smile or raises like a sense of
curiosity over potential meeting requests.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I love how granular we're going here. I want to
ask you guys about leveraging another contact for an introduction
to someone else. Do I think this is a red flag,
beige flag, or a green networking flag.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's absolutely cool so long as you're also willing to
do that for others. So if I'm always asking you both,
can you introduce me to say five people each over
the course of a year. But I've never done that
for you, or I've never even responded when you've asked,
or I haven't even had the haven't even taken upon
myself to go, hey, you should. I really know this
amazing person in la coming from a place of being generous,
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I think that it's absolutely a green flag so long
as it's equal, and it won't always be one hundred
percent equal fifty to fifty, they'll be different seasons. But
I love it. What about you, guys, do you like it?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Simon's giggling, I'm taking that as a no for her.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It's a red flag for me.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But perhaps it's because whenever I've gotten a request like
this to leverage one of my contacts on behalf of
someone else. Usually that person never never offers that sort
of value in my direction. And to take it a
step further, what's really a red flag for me with
networking is when people don't follow up with me just
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without an agenda to see how I'm doing. They only
get in touch when it is a request, and so
I think that's when it begins to feel like, Okay,
is this actually genuine? And I think like finding that
genuine connection is what this is all about, right, Like,
none of us want to have to force anything at
the end of the day, We're all looking for something,
you know, a relationship that feels easy, that has some
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sort of ease to it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
How about you, Danielle, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I go back and forth simone, because there's definitely been
times in my life where I feel taken advantage of.
I'm pretty quick with a yes as long as it's
comfortable for me and the person asking, I know is
like going to represent themselves well and not you know,
embarrass me. I feel like connection is such a gift,
Like I get so excited and grateful when somebody goes
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out of their way to email me out of the
blue and say, hey, Danielle, you should know so and so. Like,
I know this is random, but I just had this feeling.
So I actually do this all the time. I try
and do like one or two a week actually, where
I just think about people in my network, think about
people that I've met recently, and think like, Okay, who
do I know that could add value to each other's lives.
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And honestly, some great things have come out of it,
like people have made money, people have started businesses, and
so I just think of it as like good karma.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know. I think you enjoy it, though, Danielle is
because it's organic. I think that's when this works best.
It's coming from a genuine place of I feel like
these two people would vibe.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I want to connect you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, if it's forest, you're right like you guys both
talked about integrity and sincerity.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
If it's forced, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
There's an old joke, right that you don't want to
be like the drunk uncle right showing up just when
you want money, Like you're showing up right, Hey, Hey
it's Christmas?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Can I have money?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like it's like no, I'm always in touch. I'm always
checking in on you, and I don't mean every single week,
but two or three texts a year. We're not talking
texting work. Here, these tiny things that we can do
to stay in touch. That's also what networking over the
holidays could be. You don't even need an ask. It
can just be a really great way to get in
touch or get back in touch with somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
We're going to take a short break, but we'll be
right back. Stay with us, and we're back with Susie Moore.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Susie, there's a question I'm going to ask you that
I'm actually repurposing. I can't even take credit for the
question because there's this awesome woman that I connected with
over a cold message via DM and she was looking
for just a little guidance and she's in a transition
phase in her life, and she asked me something I
didn't know how to answer. So I would love your expertise.
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I've shared the story of how when I moved to
LA I lived in a garage and no one would
reply to my cold emails because I had nothing really
to give them, like I had no value to add.
What I did was I sent people bamboo plants or
cookies with a little note because if they receive something
physical it was harder to ignore. And then that way
they would email me a thank you and we would
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start an email.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's actually how I got my first job.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Eventually, like eight months later, one of those companies emailed
me and said, our host is out sick.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Can you fill in?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So she knew that story from listening to a podcast,
and she said, I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I love a bold move.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I'm willing to make it, but I'm like eight years
into my career and so sort of like sending something
like that feels like a little desperate or a little weird,
and I don't quite know what the right move is now,
Like what's a bold move eight to ten years into
your career?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And I said, I agree with you. I don't know
what do you?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So she so she's eight to ten years in and
she's looking to open up her network.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, she's thinking about, you know, expanding. She's like, I
don't know what the bold move is now that I'm
not new.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
No, it's a great question. And so you've required at
that point, Danielle in your garage, like you required a
bold move because you didn't really know anybody yet. But
when you think about like that bridge between maybe where
you were and where you want to to be, there
was a gap, right, And what a great story, What
a great thing to share, like let people know, you know,
anything's possible. But if someone's already got a decade under
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their belt, maybe she's not even acknowledging how many people
she knows and how awesome she is. If someone says
I'm ten years in, I'd go, well, you're probably really
primed to actually just be connecting, to actually just be
reaching out very confidently and with complete elegance. And I
think that sometimes we think that it has to be
a bit harder than maybe it is. But I'm guessing
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this woman, whoever she is, probably if she just sat
down for a quick brainstorming session came up with a
list of thirty, she's far better placed than she might think.
Sometimes you think, oh, I don't know anybody or they
don't care. But it's very easy, I think, to discount
how far we've come, how much we know, how good
we are, and also what it is that we have
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to offer.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right, that's interesting, she just needs a move. We're asking
the wrong question.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, I think sometimes it's easy to that too, to
think that has to be bigger and harder versus Okay, well,
it's like, where's the warmest place for me to start?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I would love to talk about holiday parties now. I
know our schedules are going to be filling up with
those in the next few weeks. They can be fun
and celebratory, but they can also be intimidating. If you've
ever experienced some social anxiety, I know I have, And
coming back to this idea of placing outsize pressure on ourselves,
I think this is an environment where that can happen too.
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How do you make the most of the few moments
that you have with someone irl? How can you make
it really magical and memorable to facilitate a follow up?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I love this question because I think it's an area
that's way easier than most people think. They think, Oh,
I've got to say the perfect thing, or I've got
to have this perfect polish introduction. I even have to
look great. This is what I'll do with my hands.
But if you just ask questions like, what's keeping you
busy right now? What's something cool this happened to you
in twenty twenty four? What are you most looking forward
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to about the new year? People will talk and talk
and talk and you will learn about them. And there's
someone's like, oh, I want to learn to ski. Then
maybe you're like, okay, I'm going to remember that when
you follow up, you have something again specificity, right, Danielle.
That's coming back to how can I make this really
really customed, like this one on one connection and my
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secret kind of weapon. I just remember that everyone's human
and everyone's nervous, and if you're the one who's generous
enough to ask questions and be a good listener, that's
actually what makes you a great conversationalist, just listening. And
isn't that like pressure off?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yes? I love this advice, Susie.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is such sound advice because if you just lead
with your curiosity, then it really takes the burden off
of you.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Right, Simona, be useful, like be helpful. If someone's like, oh,
you know, I'm going to go to London for the
first time, I'm like, I've got my London checklist, and
that's like, ah, like something custom and lovely that really
kind of solidifies even a relationship from the get go,
and it's also really fun. So I think listening, being generous,
and then when it comes to following up, which we
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have to do otherwise it's just a fleeting moment in time,
which could also be nice. But if you want to
build something, then those seeds that are planted. Oh there
are so many fun ways that you can go.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So I think we all know that the real power
of connection is in the follow up, Like that's where
everything really starts. So how soon should you follow up?
What are some ground rules after you connect with someone
in person?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Follow up within a week because people actually do forget right.
Just say you go to an event in real life
and you meet say eight people, right, maybe have a
deep conversation with one or two people. Once a week
has passed, they've been to other events, there has been
you know, there's just like the commotion of action during
the holidays. So I follow up. I would do it
within a couple of days, no later than a week.
(23:58):
Reference the conversation or reference and something that you spoke
about that shows hey, this isn't my so nice to
meet you. Shall we get coffee? And then if you
can offer something helpful, And because as human beings, we
are very likely to match someone's energy and give what
we receive, then they're likely to often meet us in
the way that we're showing up.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Do you recommend asking somebody for their email while you're
in person, Like sometimes I think you don't even have
their contact info. Two follow up.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I always like to ask for a phone number or say, hey,
what's the best way to keep in touch? What's the
best way? That's great, I'll tell you. Yeah, let them
let them inform you what they want.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That feels very elegant, Susian.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, before you leave us, Susie, I need one green
flag and one red flag for networking.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
A red flag would be when your intuition is just saying,
m you know that feeling you get even if someone
presents well, yeah, there's nothing that you could define that
feels a little off. If your intuition is like, I
don't know, I think that's an excellent thing to trust.
And if you look in your history, probably times you've
kind of overridden that you've regretted it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, that's a really great that's that's actually something that
I don't think a lot of people say.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That is a really great piece of advice.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's great when you've had the intuition like kind of
pulling you to go somewhere, even if you're tired, even
if you're like eah, but I don't know, but something
saying go and then you go. Aren't you happy?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I have a bigger say yes to life theory.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Say yes when you want to write, because there's clear
nose you're like, no, no way, not even what I
was paid when I go. But then you're like, ah,
something about this is like kind of speaking to me.
So the grief flag is say ye when you're curiosity calls,
then sure up, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I really like that it allows for a little randomness
in your life, which is I think sometimes where the
magic is.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yes, yes, and only only we know and no one
knows how we feel, so I always come to trusting
wirn feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, Susie, thank you so much for your time. This
has been really fun and easy.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I love this conversation. Thank you, Danielle and Simone so
so much.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Thank you, Susie.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is such a great refresher on all things relationships.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Susie Moore is a life coach, advice columnist, and the
author of Let It Be Easy. Simple Ways to Stop
stressing and start living.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
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Speaker 1 (27:02):
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Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Today on the bright Side, we're diving into networking and
why the holiday season might just be the perfect time
to rekindle your professional connections.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Caulfin It's coach Susie.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Moore joins us with the tools to crush those networking
nerves and the smartest ways to reach out, and a
little known secret how gratitude can be a game changer
in a cold call. It's Tuesday, November nineteenth. I'm Danielle Robe.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And I'm Simoan Boyce and this is the bright Side
from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together
to share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. Danielle,
Thanksgiving is a week away, which is so crazy, and
that means we're going to be in a mad dash
through the holidays and into the new year.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I love how social this time of year is, and
our guest today is here to help us make the
most of the holiday season's networking opportunities with what she
calls the holiday glow.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We all know the benefits of networking, but frankly, I
don't always have the energy for it. And to be honest,
like I used to network quote unquote a lot more
when I was younger and in my twenties and just
starting out, But as I've gotten older, sometimes the idea
of networking can feel kind of cringe. I know that
this is a struggle among some of my friends too.
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I hear that people don't always know what to say
when they reach out, or don't even know who to
reach out to in the first place.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
To that point, I actually stopped calling it networking a
few years ago and just started calling it relationship building
because I agree it can feel kind of cringe, and
I'm excited to ask our guests about that. So Confidence
Coach Susie Moore is a former Silicon Valley sales director
turned life coach. Susie's all about removing the fear around
networking and equipping us with the tools to reconnect with
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colleagues both past and present and spark relationships that can
really set us up for success in the new year.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Susie Moore, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I am so excited, Danielle someone to be here, truly,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Of course, we're so happy to have you, and we
were just talking about how this actually isn't the first
time that your teachings have appeared on our show. We
initially shared your insights on how to manage emotions while
you're at the workplace and dealing with business frustrations. So
we're so happy to have you here to talk about
another very important topic, which is networking, and specifically we
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want to talk about networking through the lens of the
holiday break. You actually say that we should be thinking
about networking strategically this time of year.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh my gosh, ladies, when you think about it, isn't
there a holiday glow around this kind of time of
year heading through November into December. I know it's busy.
I know there's family stuff, but this is the season
right of generosity, of being warm hearted. It's all about
the spirit and what we can do for each other.
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So I say, take advantage, take advantage of this time
when people happier, spirits a buoyance, and it's very natural
that it can be really fun to reach out to
people this time of year. We're all feeling a bit reflective,
hopeful for a new year, and I think there are
so many easy ways that we could do it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I am so curious what those easy ways are, because
I mentor a lot of younger women, And the most
common thing that they all say to me is they
don't know how to reach out or like, is it
weird if they say X, Y, and Z or send
a cold email. But in your work you say that
emails are not the only way to reach out. What
do you think the best ways to reach out are?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
I think even just the term networking seems intimidating, right,
I even kind of use other words in some cases,
just you know, connecting or reconnecting or showing up in
new places. And when it comes to reaching out to people,
not only is it appropriate, but if we're not doing it,
we're really missing out. Whatever it is that you want
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from your networking in the coming weeks. Your intention, for example,
is to find a job, or to move into a
new career or into a new industry. It's going to
be people that let that happen. Right. Sometimes we think, oh,
it's a company. It's not a company, it's not a brand.
It's human beings who work there, human beings who know
other human beings who hire, etc. So the way that
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I think about it is networking is appropriate, it's natural,
it can be fun, and ideally you start where you
are with what you have, and most people don't even
realize that their networks are bigger than perhaps they realize.
This is what it's good to have an intention for
your networking. Who do you know? Where can you potentially start,
even if it's not an obvious match, by just creating
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a list getting started? I like to start with at
least thirty people, so that you don't feel super attached
or tied to one.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Person, Lance Suzi, you think so thirty, Well, I like that.
I get what you're saying is so you feel less attached.
But I've never thought about putting a list together of
thirty people.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Well, if you think about if if you've had just
say one or two jobs, even say entry level jobs,
there are coworkers that you've had, and managers and people
who know other people. Maybe you're part of a book
club or a running club, or you have a gym membership.
There are so many ways that I think we overlook
the connections that we have, and when we're willing to
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take the initiative, feel willing to feel a little uncomfortable,
which is all confidence is really in the end, then
so much can open up. And why wouldn't we like
why wouldn't we do that take advantage of this time
of year. There is nothing worse in sitting around hoping
something's going to just land on your lap. Taking the initiative,
creating your own momentum and reaching out to others. It's
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amazing the turnarounds that we can see.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So how do you compile this list of thirty people?
Where do you look for them?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I find LinkedIn the most helpful because you can filter
by location, you can filter by industry, you can even
filter by job level, And I would think, who do
I know? Who? Maybe I've just forgotten about. Often when
I even help people compile their this, they're like, oh yeah,
I forgot that that friend's husband works here. And so
I'd stop by sitting down doing a rough brainstorm. There
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are going to be some obvious people that come to
mind to begin with. That's really letting it be easy, right,
the first people who come to mind. But then when
you just look at your social channels and you look
at any other networks you have in your life, like
in real life, then if you set this goal of thirty,
so if I wanted to connect with an old co worker,
extending gratitude and connecting with others in this way of
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appreciating them is also a really lovely way to open
up or reopen a conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I also love the specificity of that susy because I
think people are more apt to reply or want to
reply when it doesn't feel like this blanket hello, here's
what I need type of an email when it's really
tailored and thoughtful.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yes, and that takes very little time. That takes very little,
just like sometimes in my work I'll say one or
two minutes of homework can save like hours of hustle.
So reaching out with something like you say specific that
sincere right sincerity is really important in this because I
think networking has this reputation of you know, reaching out
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you need something, using people getting what you can. But
when we approach it, I think open heartedly from a
place of integrity and honesty. Who knows what can form,
who knows how your world can open up when you
sees it and you make it happen, especially this time
of year.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I've actually reframed the word in my mind. I think
of it as relationship building because networking has this sort
of like connotation that you're talking about, like like snake
in the grass, almost and it's just not how I
view it at all, Like we're all in different ways
in the business of connection, and so I just think
about in terms of relationship building, and I approach it like,
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how would I approach a new friend.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Who knows what could come from a connection, And yeah,
of course ideally something good for you, but who knows
what it could also do for someone else. Good things
happen when we care about each other.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And when you're providing value to someone else. When I
think about the people who I actually wanted to stay
in touch with when I was working as a reporter,
someone that comes to mind is a publicist who every
time he reached out to me, he provided value in
some way. He invited me to come check out some
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exhibit he was working on, or he provided some new
insight into women's sports that I wasn't aware of. So
I always prioritized that relationship with this particular publicist because
he just positioned himself to be of service, and I
thought that that was a really powerful way to go
about relationship building.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Don't go anywhere. We have more from Susie.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Right after the break, and we're back with Susie Moore. Susie,
what about specific language for the ask. Because you gave
us a great intro to the email, which is a
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thank you or a thoughtful moment, what about the ask?
Do you are you in the camp of just going
for it?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Well, it depends on what the ask is, right, So,
if you want to get together in person with someone,
that's not always going to be possible based on your location.
But if you're getting together in personal that feels like
feasible and fun. Absolutely. By the way, fun fact, December
specifically that week between Christmas and New Year, it's less
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busy than people realize. It's always that, you know, let's
circle back off to the holidays. That's kind of like
the mantra we start hearing around now. But a lot
of people they have like this holiday downtime, And I've
had lots of meetings, lots of connections in this period.
Have you ever noticed that, Like, are you that busy
between Christmas and New Year?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I completely lose track of time during that liminal space
between Christmas and New Year's Like I don't know what
day it is. I personally, I don't think I'm in
the right headspace for work and relationship building. Then I'm
so family oriented but I think you bring up a
really good point that sometimes the seasons where we expect
people to be really busy, maybe they're actually open to connection.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes and not everyone has a close by family, right
and now everyone has the gorgeous luxury of like close friends,
they spend time with their kids. So getting together with
someone during you know, the holidays, that can even have
this pressure of oh community and connection. You can even
be that for somebody. So I would absolutely go for
an ask, ask for something low stakes thirty minutes. I
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love the statement to share information. Let's just share spinfo
about the industry. It's not like I'm looking for a job.
Can you help me? Make it very casual, be cool,
and don't put any pressure.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I just have a quick little pushback to that.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
And I want to know what you think, okay, because
when I get emails from people who are just kind
of like, would like love to share some information about
the industry, I'm like, I'm so sorry, I don't have
time for that. Like I actually want a specific ask
because then maybe I can help.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So what do you think?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So if someone who didn't know you at all was
coming to you with the question, that'd be better for
you yeah, I think that there are some people who
receive a lot of requests. I don't know if that's everybody.
I think that if someone is receiving a lot of
requests specificity absolutely, because you know that you're probably one
of many in an inbox and you want to stand
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out and you want to just really shoot your shot. Well,
when you're reaching out to someone in that case, I'm
sure you even have your typical kind of response, like
do you just have a quick question? You know, how
can I help you? Like you'd also want something to
be probably quite rapid, a rapid way in which you
could help. But I'm not sure that's true at large necessarily,
but I agree for someone who receives a lot it
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has a very very busy inbox full of requests. Then
being specific and having one direct question and just say
saying five minutes or a quick answer to this or
for example, it's the same if someone's asking for a
book endorsement, it's like, hey, can I and here are
three that I've written up? Can you approve one?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right exactly?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Making its speed is wonderful. But I do think, largely speaking,
if you're going for abroad, if you're casting a wider net.
You'd want to gauge it based on the person and
what you think, like how kind of in demand they are?
And this is a thing too, right, Life is not
like this one approach fits all. And you know you said,
Danielle blanket approaches. They're a little rough. In my opinion,
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I really don't like them when I receive them. So
this is also a bit experimental, right, like, let's have fun.
Why are you so serious? I think networking is like
this fun natural part of life that I want to
take advantage of and enjoy versus psyche myself up for
and go, Okay, it's my networking hour. I'm going to
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sit down now and do my reach out. What if
it's different, what if it's a bit more lighthearted and
not so serious?
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
I love approach.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I think everything goes wrong whenever you place too much
pressure on the outcome.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
So I agree with you one thousand percent, susy.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Okay, speaking of keeping things fun and light, do you
have any suggestions for subject lines? Is it okay to
get playful with the subject line?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I love?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Do you just love a cheeky little subject line?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I do personally, but I don't know if it's effective
or professional.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I think it's wildly wildly professional if you're speaking to
a corporation. I had this funny distinction recently. There was
a new head of human resources for a tech company,
and no one was responding to his emails. You know,
you had to fill out a new form based on
a new tax law. It was like, please fill out
XYZ form reminder action required, And no one's responding, and
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he's freaking out and the subject is, hey, can I
pay you? It's like, we're all human beings, right. I
think that we get it wrong when we think that
we have to sound like corporations, or we have to
sound like lawyers, or we have to use this kind
of contract style language with human beings. So I'm all
about the fun, super fun subject lines all lower case.
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I keep it really really casual. If it's something like
formal request, you know, I can see that's important. But
when we can kind of I think, even crack through
some of the things that we think we should do,
and we can be even like the bright spot in
someone's day. So I've seen some wild funny subject lines
in my life and I love them, and I think,
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aren't you some much more apt to click on something
that makes you smile or raises like a sense of
curiosity over potential meeting requests.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I love how granular we're going here. I want to
ask you guys about leveraging another contact for an introduction
to someone else. Do I think this is a red flag,
beige flag, or a green networking flag.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
It's absolutely cool so long as you're also willing to
do that for others. So if I'm always asking you both,
can you introduce me to say five people each over
the course of a year. But I've never done that
for you, or I've never even responded when you've asked,
or I haven't even had the haven't even taken upon
myself to go, hey, you should. I really know this
amazing person in la coming from a place of being generous,
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I think that it's absolutely a green flag so long
as it's equal, and it won't always be one hundred
percent equal fifty to fifty, they'll be different seasons. But
I love it. What about you, guys, do you like it?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Simon's giggling, I'm taking that as a no for her.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It's a red flag for me.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But perhaps it's because whenever I've gotten a request like
this to leverage one of my contacts on behalf of
someone else. Usually that person never never offers that sort
of value in my direction. And to take it a
step further, what's really a red flag for me with
networking is when people don't follow up with me just
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without an agenda to see how I'm doing. They only
get in touch when it is a request, and so
I think that's when it begins to feel like, Okay,
is this actually genuine? And I think like finding that
genuine connection is what this is all about, right, Like,
none of us want to have to force anything at
the end of the day, We're all looking for something,
you know, a relationship that feels easy, that has some
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sort of ease to it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
How about you, Danielle, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I go back and forth simone, because there's definitely been
times in my life where I feel taken advantage of.
I'm pretty quick with a yes as long as it's
comfortable for me and the person asking, I know is
like going to represent themselves well and not you know,
embarrass me. I feel like connection is such a gift,
Like I get so excited and grateful when somebody goes
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out of their way to email me out of the
blue and say, hey, Danielle, you should know so and so. Like,
I know this is random, but I just had this feeling.
So I actually do this all the time. I try
and do like one or two a week actually, where
I just think about people in my network, think about
people that I've met recently, and think like, Okay, who
do I know that could add value to each other's lives.
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And honestly, some great things have come out of it,
like people have made money, people have started businesses, and
so I just think of it as like good karma.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know. I think you enjoy it, though, Danielle is
because it's organic. I think that's when this works best.
It's coming from a genuine place of I feel like
these two people would vibe.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I want to connect you.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, if it's forest, you're right like you guys both
talked about integrity and sincerity.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
If it's forced, it's weird.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
There's an old joke, right that you don't want to
be like the drunk uncle right showing up just when
you want money, Like you're showing up right, Hey, Hey
it's Christmas?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Can I have money?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Like it's like no, I'm always in touch. I'm always
checking in on you, and I don't mean every single week,
but two or three texts a year. We're not talking
texting work. Here, these tiny things that we can do
to stay in touch. That's also what networking over the
holidays could be. You don't even need an ask. It
can just be a really great way to get in
touch or get back in touch with somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
We're going to take a short break, but we'll be
right back. Stay with us, and we're back with Susie Moore.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Susie, there's a question I'm going to ask you that
I'm actually repurposing. I can't even take credit for the
question because there's this awesome woman that I connected with
over a cold message via DM and she was looking
for just a little guidance and she's in a transition
phase in her life, and she asked me something I
didn't know how to answer. So I would love your expertise.
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I've shared the story of how when I moved to
LA I lived in a garage and no one would
reply to my cold emails because I had nothing really
to give them, like I had no value to add.
What I did was I sent people bamboo plants or
cookies with a little note because if they receive something
physical it was harder to ignore. And then that way
they would email me a thank you and we would
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start an email.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's actually how I got my first job.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Eventually, like eight months later, one of those companies emailed
me and said, our host is out sick.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Can you fill in?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So she knew that story from listening to a podcast,
and she said, I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
I love a bold move.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I'm willing to make it, but I'm like eight years
into my career and so sort of like sending something
like that feels like a little desperate or a little weird,
and I don't quite know what the right move is now,
Like what's a bold move eight to ten years into
your career?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And I said, I agree with you. I don't know
what do you?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
So she so she's eight to ten years in and
she's looking to open up her network.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yes, she's thinking about, you know, expanding. She's like, I
don't know what the bold move is now that I'm
not new.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
No, it's a great question. And so you've required at
that point, Danielle in your garage, like you required a
bold move because you didn't really know anybody yet. But
when you think about like that bridge between maybe where
you were and where you want to to be, there
was a gap, right, And what a great story, What
a great thing to share, like let people know, you know,
anything's possible. But if someone's already got a decade under
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their belt, maybe she's not even acknowledging how many people
she knows and how awesome she is. If someone says
I'm ten years in, I'd go, well, you're probably really
primed to actually just be connecting, to actually just be
reaching out very confidently and with complete elegance. And I
think that sometimes we think that it has to be
a bit harder than maybe it is. But I'm guessing
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this woman, whoever she is, probably if she just sat
down for a quick brainstorming session came up with a
list of thirty, she's far better placed than she might think.
Sometimes you think, oh, I don't know anybody or they
don't care. But it's very easy, I think, to discount
how far we've come, how much we know, how good
we are, and also what it is that we have
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to offer.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Right, that's interesting, she just needs a move. We're asking
the wrong question.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Yeah, I think sometimes it's easy to that too, to
think that has to be bigger and harder versus Okay, well,
it's like, where's the warmest place for me to start?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I would love to talk about holiday parties now. I
know our schedules are going to be filling up with
those in the next few weeks. They can be fun
and celebratory, but they can also be intimidating. If you've
ever experienced some social anxiety, I know I have, And
coming back to this idea of placing outsize pressure on ourselves,
I think this is an environment where that can happen too.
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How do you make the most of the few moments
that you have with someone irl? How can you make
it really magical and memorable to facilitate a follow up?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I love this question because I think it's an area
that's way easier than most people think. They think, Oh,
I've got to say the perfect thing, or I've got
to have this perfect polish introduction. I even have to
look great. This is what I'll do with my hands.
But if you just ask questions like, what's keeping you
busy right now? What's something cool this happened to you
in twenty twenty four? What are you most looking forward
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to about the new year? People will talk and talk
and talk and you will learn about them. And there's
someone's like, oh, I want to learn to ski. Then
maybe you're like, okay, I'm going to remember that when
you follow up, you have something again specificity, right, Danielle.
That's coming back to how can I make this really
really customed, like this one on one connection and my
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secret kind of weapon. I just remember that everyone's human
and everyone's nervous, and if you're the one who's generous
enough to ask questions and be a good listener, that's
actually what makes you a great conversationalist, just listening. And
isn't that like pressure off?
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Yes? I love this advice, Susie.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
This is such sound advice because if you just lead
with your curiosity, then it really takes the burden off
of you.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Right, Simona, be useful, like be helpful. If someone's like, oh,
you know, I'm going to go to London for the
first time, I'm like, I've got my London checklist, and
that's like, ah, like something custom and lovely that really
kind of solidifies even a relationship from the get go,
and it's also really fun. So I think listening, being generous,
and then when it comes to following up, which we
(23:10):
have to do otherwise it's just a fleeting moment in time,
which could also be nice. But if you want to
build something, then those seeds that are planted. Oh there
are so many fun ways that you can go.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So I think we all know that the real power
of connection is in the follow up, Like that's where
everything really starts. So how soon should you follow up?
What are some ground rules after you connect with someone
in person?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Follow up within a week because people actually do forget right.
Just say you go to an event in real life
and you meet say eight people, right, maybe have a
deep conversation with one or two people. Once a week
has passed, they've been to other events, there has been
you know, there's just like the commotion of action during
the holidays. So I follow up. I would do it
within a couple of days, no later than a week.
(23:58):
Reference the conversation or reference and something that you spoke
about that shows hey, this isn't my so nice to
meet you. Shall we get coffee? And then if you
can offer something helpful, And because as human beings, we
are very likely to match someone's energy and give what
we receive, then they're likely to often meet us in
the way that we're showing up.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Do you recommend asking somebody for their email while you're
in person, Like sometimes I think you don't even have
their contact info. Two follow up.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I always like to ask for a phone number or say, hey,
what's the best way to keep in touch? What's the
best way? That's great, I'll tell you. Yeah, let them
let them inform you what they want.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That feels very elegant, Susian.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, before you leave us, Susie, I need one green
flag and one red flag for networking.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
A red flag would be when your intuition is just saying,
m you know that feeling you get even if someone
presents well, yeah, there's nothing that you could define that
feels a little off. If your intuition is like, I
don't know, I think that's an excellent thing to trust.
And if you look in your history, probably times you've
kind of overridden that you've regretted it.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, that's a really great that's that's actually something that
I don't think a lot of people say.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
That is a really great piece of advice.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
That's great when you've had the intuition like kind of
pulling you to go somewhere, even if you're tired, even
if you're like eah, but I don't know, but something
saying go and then you go. Aren't you happy?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I have a bigger say yes to life theory.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Say yes when you want to write, because there's clear
nose you're like, no, no way, not even what I
was paid when I go. But then you're like, ah,
something about this is like kind of speaking to me.
So the grief flag is say ye when you're curiosity calls,
then sure up, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I really like that it allows for a little randomness
in your life, which is I think sometimes where the
magic is.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Yes, yes, and only only we know and no one
knows how we feel, so I always come to trusting
wirn feelings.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, Susie, thank you so much for your time. This
has been really fun and easy.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I love this conversation. Thank you, Danielle and Simone so
so much.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Thank you, Susie.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is such a great refresher on all things relationships.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Susie Moore is a life coach, advice columnist, and the
author of Let It Be Easy. Simple Ways to Stop
stressing and start living.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
For today's show, Tomorrow, It's Wellness Wednesday. We're joined by
relationship and boundaries expertndra to Wab to help navigate the
extra pressures of the holidays. Join the conversation using hashtag
the bright Side and connect with us on social media
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(26:53):
at Simone Boye and at Danielle Robe.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
See you tomorrow, folks, Keep looking on the bright side.
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