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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello Sunshine, Hey besties.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Today, on the bright Side, we're popping off on the
biggest pop culture moments of the week with New York
Times bestselling author, comedian and podcast host Danny Pellegrino. What's
behind Bravos Vander Pump reboot, how did Billboard select their
biggest pop star of the twenty first century? And who
Spotify rap list is most embarrassing. It's Friday, December sixth.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm Simone Boyce, I'm Danielle Robe and this is the
bright Side from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we
come together to share women's stories, to laugh, learn and
brighten your day. Happy Friday, Happy Happy Friday.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, we made it to the weekend, Danielle. Okay, So
our besties don't know about this yet, but you were
in New York this week for something pretty special.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Can you tell us about it?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, I was in New York for one day to
hang out in Gloria Steinem's living room. So her living
room is one of the most iconic places, at least
in my mind. In the early seventies, it served as
the birthplace of Miss magazine, which was completely groundbreaking because
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it was really the only magazine or publication out there
that was told through the female lens, and she would
have people in her living room to foster dialogue, and
it eventually turned into something called talking circles, which were
really inspired by indigenous practices. Gloria spent a lot of
time in India in her early years, and both in
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India and with Native American communities, there's this idea of
talking circles, and she sort of shared that with everybody
that would come through, and she has them to this day.
And it's actually in her real living room, Like if
you go to the right, it's her kitchen, and if
you go to the right, it's her bedroom. So it
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was on my dream list of things to do in
my life. I felt so honored to be there, and
I also feel like so much of what we talk
about on this podcast is really a product of what
was talked about in her living room throughout the decades.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So it just felt sort of surreal.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, I know that she's a personal hero of yours,
so I can only imagine how excited you were for
this opportunity. What did you guys talk about in the
talking circle? Can you share or is it private?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
No, it's not private at all.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
We just were talking about all the things you would
kind of expect, like there were an amalgamation. I think
it was like nine people, all different activists, leaders of
their industries, and talking about what was going on in
their world, what they needed help with, how people could
support one another. And then we actually there was like
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a moment of like sort of quiet, and so I
went up to her and I had my copies of
MS magazine.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I've held on to them for years.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I have the test cover and then the first cover
that existed, and I showed them to her, and she
was like, I think, happy to see them. When we
were chatting about it, she was explaining why she chose
certain things on her cover, and then I asked her
about her love life, which was so fun.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
How does this not surprise me at all? Why does
this not surprise me that you would be nosy with
Glorias dynem Well.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I revere her so deeply, and I wanted to know
about the people like who captured Glorious Dynam's heart? Can
you imagine how special those people must be?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
You would hope they were special, she.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Said they were. She said they were, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You would hope that they recognized like the privilege that
it is to be in a relationship with that woman,
you know, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
My god, I mean, she's so value driven. I think
a lot of the people she was with, at least
the ones I know about, like that were public relationships,
they were all so values driven. Like she dated Jim Brown,
who was like a sports figure but also incredibly active
in the civil rights movement, and they met like doing
work in the civil rights movement together, and so yeah,
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I just I'm still sort of riding a high. I
feel silly saying this, but it was one of those
days that I felt lucky to be alive.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, totally, and one of those days that I feel like,
you know, for you specifically, you probably feel like your
whole life has been like leading up to a moment
like that. You know.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But wait, did you ask her for dating advice?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, Because once I asked her, that's so funny. Once
I asked her about the loves of her life and
she started answering, everybody started gathering again because they wanted
to hear her answer. So I got like, shy, I
just love I wanted it to be about her. But
if I ever get the chance to meet her again,
maybe I'll I'll.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Try and ask.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now, you guys will have a shorthand to love, like
a romance shorthand, so you'll be good yes.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
And you know, she's no for her iconic belts.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Like she said, she doesn't like to change her clothes
because she doesn't want to think about it.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
She just wants to change her belt.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And she was wearing a great, big, like silver belt
and she was telling us about why she does it,
and I was like, you know, I wonder if Mark
Zuckerberg took that from you. I feel like all these
tech founders took Gloria Steinem's fashion ideology.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, Mark Zuckerberg's fashion evolution is a story for
another day. We don't have time for that today. But
I'm so happy that you had such a wonderful, memorable experience.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I can tell how much this let you up. So
thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And you know, after hearing about your trip and just
reflecting on some of the conversations that we've had here
on the show lately, we.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Have decided to bring a little elevation to our show today.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So we had on a guest recently who really redefined
that word for me. And I'm thinking of kindness. Researcher
Jeanette Murray. When we talked to her on Wednesday Days Show,
she imbued elevation with this new meaning. She described it
as an emotion of feeling you get when you see
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the goodness of humanity unfold in front of your eyes.
So I'm going to try to use this word in
the right context. I don't know if I'm using it correctly,
but for me, elevation is how I describe the feeling
of everyone sharing in the joy of wicked together. Yeah,
that collective excitement. So that's the definition I'm clinging to.
But I love learning a new word, or learning how
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to use a word in a new way.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Simone, we have to go to the thing along.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
But I totally agree with you and elevate even saying
it sort of makes me feel like I grew three inches,
you know.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
There's something so beautiful about it.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I'm also still laughing at our conversation with Fortune Fimster.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
She is so hilarious.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I cannot wait to see her in the new movie
that she's in with Reese Witherspoon and Will Ferrell next year.
And the story she told us about her and her
wife Jacks honeymooning in a location. If you haven't seen
that or heard the episode, I'll I don't want to
ruin it. But there is a location where it is
illegal to be gay, and Fortune and her wife Jack's
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honeymoon there by accident.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Oh man, leave it to Fortune to turn that horrible
experience into a bit and make us all laugh from it.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So if you are listening and you feel the holiday
anxiety bubbling up from your core, just know you are
not alone, because I am experiencing that too. It's like,
I know it's coming, and I want to try and
get ahead of it. And one of the ways that
I was able to do that was by talking to
our friend Lizzie Mathis on the show. She had some
serious gems and really practical tips for hosting holiday gatherings
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and just making it a lot more seamless and easier.
And I loved how she said that the key to
a memorable gathering is just making simple things look fancy
like she reassured us that you can create an impactful
environment on a budget.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I loved her tip about decorating with candles because it
looks so elevated.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
To use our word of the.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Week and you can do it inexpensively.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know who else was truly memorable for me? Bosama
Saint John Bosama made her debut on The Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills after years as one of the world's
top marketing execs uber Netflix Endeavor. The list goes on,
and as a fan of the show, I love how
she gave us the real tea on the new season.
She was not afraid to speak her mind, and I
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do think a lot of the cast members can sort
of like tiptoe around things.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I love that she's giving the people what they want.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Yes, well, I'm.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Super excited because our guest today is a Bravo girly Okay,
he is a Bravo encyclopedia.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm so ready for my lesson in the history of
the Housewives franchise. Danny Pellegrino is going to bring it today.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
He is a.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Housewives scholar, the host of the podcast Everything Iconic.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
We've got so much to talk to him about.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
But before we get there, it's time to spotlight favorite
moment of the week.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, This week's spotlight goes to Carrie Washington, who was
officially inducted into the Hollywood Walk of Fame. On Monday,
Carrie was given the two thousand, nine hundred seventy sixth
star for her incredible career in film and TV, and
she celebrated with her family and longtime collaborators Tyler Perry
and Shonda Rhimes, both of whom gave really beautiful speeches
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in her honor. And what was really heartwarming about this
is I guess it was one of her dad's dreams.
It was a bucket list moment for him. She told
People Magazine. I think it was something my dad had
always dreamed of and asked me about. It was really
special to be able to be here today, to share
this moment with my parents, and to have them be
here with me. You know, there's this thing about the
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Hollywood Walk of Fame that feels like, almost like silly
at this point, because it's like, Okay, Hollywood, Hollywood. But
I think we forget how hard people work to build
up to those moments. And so when I saw her
share that with her family and particularly her dad, my
heart smiled a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes, shouts to Carrie Washington, and not just because of
the work she's done in front of the camera, but
behind the camera too, especially teaming up with a Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So congrats to her. That's so exciting. All right, Danielle,
are you ready to pop off?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh? We're ready joining us to pop off today, y'all.
Is New York Times bestselling author, comedian and host of
the podcast Everything Iconic. It's Danny Pellegrino. Danny, Welcome to
the bright Side.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Who welcome?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Hi, Simone and Danielle. I'm so happy to be here,
Danielle and I feel like we're kind of parasocially besties,
even though you might not know it yet, and now
you are too by proxy.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yes, well, I want to hear. How do you guys
know each other? What's the story there?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think, like every good old fashioned relationship is social media,
you know, like every I think that's we just we're
friendly on social media.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
So actually I think it's a little deeper, Danny, because
I don't know if you know this, but we have
a mutual friend named Jaten, and years ago when you
started posting on Instagram, Jaten has an amazing eye for talent,
and Jaten sent me Danny's page and said, this guy
is going to blow up. He's amazing and two months later, Boom,
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Danny was huge.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Atten's the best. And I grew up with him. I
mean we were We went to school together as kids
and stuff. He's the best.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, and he was Midwest boys.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Yeah. I love my Midwest. I'm Midwest boys love him.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, Danny, you really are living the dream right now.
I mean, you wrote, produced, and starred in the new
Hallmark Channel holiday movie Deck the Walls, which is trending
on Peacock. Congratulations, it's so hard to trend.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Thank you so much. Yeah, we were in the top
ten on Peacock after the release, and we were in
the top ten of all the TV shows on Friday
night when we premiered. And it's going to be airing
a bunch of if people haven't seen it, it'll be
airing throughout the season on the Hallmark channels. So there's like,
you know how they rerun those a million times? So
he catched Deck the Walls whenever you see it as
if you're flipping the channels, Can you give.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Us a little taste.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
What does a Danny Pellegrino spin on a holiday movie
look like?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I mean, of course you're all gonna roll your eyes
or your listeners are gonna roll your eyes when I
say this, but I really love the trope of a
big city Goal goes back to her small hometown and
falls in love with the honky guy from her past, Like.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I wanted that sweet Home Alabama.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Yes, yes, yes, I wanted that. So I know sometimes
when I talk about the movie, people roll their eyes
because that is like sort of the essence of Deck
the Walls. But I wanted it to be that, and
I hope that people watch it and they're going into
it with that framework, but then also finding that there's
little other touches. I'm super proud of the fact that
the movie's already premiered. So this is a bit of
a spoiler. Maybe fast forward if you don't want the spoiler,
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but I'm super proud. At the end, our big city
Goal doesn't end up staying in the small town. She
doesn't give up her career. She goes back to her
big city job, and instead she convinces the guy, Hey,
I'll give you a job if you want, and then
there's an LGBTQ romance. I'm very proud of the relationship
that my character has with the other male Lea, who's
a straight guy, we're best friends in it, and I
think that's a rare dynamic to see on screen. So
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there's a lot of little touches within the framework of
a hopefully very classically structured Hallmark Christmas movie that well,
hopefully people will enjoy throughout the holiday season. But even
within that genre, there's like these house renovation Christmas movies,
so like, even that's sort of like a subgenre too,
so I was excited to sort of celebrate that as well.
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And you get all those trope things that you love,
I hope, but then get those little twists on them
as well.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Danny, you've written several books, so I knew that you
were a beautiful writer, but I had no idea that
you wanted to act. And how cool that you wrote
your own role.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thank you. I did, and I had to audition too,
by the way, which was weird because I wrote it
for me. But I understand too, because it's a pretty
large leading role in the movie and I don't have
a lot of experience doing this sort of thing. I
do come from an acting background, and that was always
sort of the goal. Unfortunately, with writing and podcasting, I
got a little off track with that. But so that
was always kind of the dream and the goal, and
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so I was thrilled that Hallmark let me be in
it and that was kind of like the most fun
creatively because it was a new experience.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Danny, I love your podcast Everything iconic. I do think
you were one of the first on the podcast scene.
You were podcasting before everyone else was podcasting.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Well, there were some definitely before me. A Bitch Sash
was like kind of like the gold star, the shining
star for me. I loved that podcast and the watchw
Crappens guys are great. They were much sooner than I
am in terms of like covering Real Housewives and Bravo
and reality TV. But it was like seven years ago,
which or twenty seventeen was when I started, which is
crazy to say now, but it's been a while that
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I've been covering reality TV and all that.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, there's definitely an emphasis on the Bravo universe, which
I love.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And this week was a big week for Bravo fans.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
The network announce a complete overhaul of vander Pump Rules.
Simon and I were talking about this before the show started.
Kind of shocking because there's so much IP built into
that show. We know all the characters, the scanned of
all of it all, La La Kent, Tom Schwartz, Sheena Shehay,
Ariano Maddox, they're all. They're all saying goodbye to vander
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Pump Rules. There's an entirely new cast being put in.
What is happening here? I've never seen a network do this.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
It's shocking to me that they did it, especially after
they did it with the Real Houses in New York.
And I think, by and large, and I don't want
to speak for everyone, but I think by and large,
the response to the new Real Houses in New York
has been not great. Audience really is not great. Yeah,
I mean, at least I love it. I mean I
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think there's a lot of people I think that must
really like it. But in terms of ratings and at
least in my experience with people who watch these shows
and DM man stuff, it seems like the audience response
is not great. So I was shocked that they would
do it to vander Pump, especially because that was sort
of the highest rated show for a while and it
was interesting to me. But I'm sure creatively they looked
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at it and thought where do we go or how
do we go from here with the current cast, and
maybe they just couldn't find a creative way to make
it work. Also, as these shows go, they get so
much more expensive with cast, so maybe they looked at
the financials and it didn't make sense. But I'm a
bigger fan for Bravo doing like those soft reboots that
they've done where it's like keep a couple anchors and
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then bring in a few fresh people. Sometimes I think
that I'll be so skeptical of the decision that Bravo
makes with casting or something, and then a year later
or something, you're like, oh, that they totally Why did
I even think that they wouldn't figure it out?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Danny, if you were the exec in charge making the
next moves for vander Pump Rules, who would you cast
or who are the types of people that you would cast?
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Well, I think going forward, knowing that we're doing a reboot,
I'm sure they're still going to be bringing in people
for guest stars. I thought. I just saw Ariana on
a red carpet somewhere and she was saying, Oh, if
any of the new people want to walk next door
to something about her and get a sandwich, And I
was like, oh, that makes so much sense of like
how they'll probably launch this. Of course, I think those
cast members are going to be gone, but I would
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be surprised if that first episode doesn't have some of
those characters, whether they be Katie at the sandwich shop
while the new characters come in there, or you know,
some sort of mentorship role. I would imagine there's going
to be a lot of guest spots, and that's what
I would do. Even though we got rid of all
those people, they're still sort of in that restaurant universe,
and so I would just litter the show with whatever
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guest spots made sense for the old cast while we
got to know these other people. Because of course we
don't want to shortchange the new cast members. I think
it's important that we get to know them. But I
think it'll help with that ip that you mentioned, I
think Danielle earlier where it's like it'll still be recognizable,
because I think there's going to be a lot of
people that just decide, Okay, well it's the end of
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the road for this group that I've gotten to know
over so long. I mean, I've watched from the beginning,
and I tend to talk to a lot of people
about these shows, because people come up to me or
family or friends will be like, Oh, let's talk about this.
And the kind of response I'm seeing is that I
think a lot of the people that have followed it
for so long, they're just going to be kind of
done with the show, not even necessarily because they're upset
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with the new show or anything like that. It just
feels like a final and easy way to wrap up
their viewing of this show. So I talked to my
brothers and sisters in law the chapter closed, Yeah, and
they don't. There's a lot of people who I think
kind of casually watch these shows or have caught up
with them for years, and I think they'll just sort
of dip out. But maybe if there's a big scandal
or the new cast has something, they'll be right.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Back on board.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We're going to take a quick break from popping Off,
but we'll be right back with Danny Pellegrino. We're back
to popping off with Danny Pellegrino. The New York Times
just put out its list of the best movies of
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the year, and film critics who work for the paper
ranked their ten favorites. So it's interesting about this list.
I'm curious to hear what you guys think, but to me,
it just illustrates that divide between what the audience likes
and what critics like. So let's get into it. Yes,
so what's on this list? It's not the movies that
everyone's talking about. It's not Wicked. There's no Inside Out too,
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no Gladiator too. So number one on the critics list
is the film All We Imagine is Light by Indian
filmmaker Payel Capadia. Another film that's on this list is Nickelboys,
which is based on Colson Whitehead's novel of the same name,
and it follows two teenage boys at a reform school
in the sixties.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Some other movies on.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
The list Jesse Eisenberg's A Real Pain, George Miller's Furiosa
Mad Max Saga, Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis, which is interesting
because that was critically panned and did not perform well
at the box office, and then Sean Baker's a Noorra.
He also did the Florida Project from a few years back.
So did this list surprise you?
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm so embarrassed. I haven't heard of any not one
of these movies.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
I have not even heard their title.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's kind of what I was saying, Like, it feels like,
and it's been like this for as long as I
can remember. It feels like the people who critically review
films are not on the same page as the audience.
The desires and wants are completely on different pages.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Here well, Devil's advocate, though, I would also just say that,
you know, sometimes it's great that they would be spotlighting
these movies that otherwise the major audiences wouldn't be privy to,
ye saying, and so like, I think that's kind of
cool because I have heard of a lot of that.
I haven't seen a lot of the lists that you
just said, but I've sort of heard loosely from like
film buff friends and stuff, and a lot of movies
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like Nora has been one that's been on my list
that I'm like, oh, I have to see that because
I've heard such good things. But it's not one that
I would have ever heard of otherwise.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
I just watched a Noora.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Did you like it?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm obsessed. I want to watch it over and over again.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Wow, it's a black comedy that has so much heart.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
The ending completely blew me away. The star of the film.
Hold on, let me look up her name.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
What is it, Mikey Madden. She's Mikey mat from Better Things?
Did you ever watch Better Things? That show is so
great and she was great in it. But I heard
Anora it is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Mikey Madison is the star of this film, and she
said that she really wanted to bring dignity to the
lives of sex workers through this performance, and she really
really does that.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
So good.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Danielle, if you haven't seen any of the movies on
that list, what movies made your list for best movies
of the year?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Ooh, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, first, I agree with Danny in that similar to
this list, I feel this way about the Oscars. Usually
there's a ton of movies that pop up that I
haven't heard of, and I like learning about them, and
then I kind of like slowly watched throughout the year,
which is fun and I feel more cultured. Let's see
twenty twenty four best movies of the year.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
What did I watch Wicked? For sure? Danny? Have you
seen it yet?
Speaker 5 (21:56):
Yes? Yes? And like everyone, I feel like I saw
it and became upset with it. Afterwards, right, like, I
just I can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, and stop thinking about it. That's incredible. That was
probably my number one.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
It was one of those movies too that I felt
like you left the theater and my heart grew three
sizes when I saw Wicked, where it was like, oh
my gosh, I'm fulfilled in a way that I hadn't
been by art in a while, which sounds over dramatic
and whatever, but it's not though I felt that way.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
It's not though, because that movie carries with it the
collective dreams and hopes and pain of an entire community.
It's not just the theater community. It's also just anybody
who's ever been othered or bullied. So the layers that
specifically this version of Wicked gave to us, like through
Cynthia's portrayal, the fact that she's a black alphaba, I mean,
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it just expands the universe and the meaning of it
so much.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Did you feel like you went into it. I was
worried about it being part one of two, and I thought,
me too sure that that was a mistake. I thought
this is the worst thing to do, and then I
saw it and I was like, no, they made the
right decision. That's time.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah, because I want more. I can't wait to go
see the second one.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
And it still felt like a complete movie.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So moan, I'm going to name one that you love. Okay,
what's that Inside Out Too was amazing?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It was It was really good. That one was more
for the parents in the audience or for the adults
than it was for the kids.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
So many kids I saw it, so many people dressed
up as like adults dressed up as the Inside Out
Too characters for Halloween.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
I also think that scene with anxiety at the end
of Inside Out Too. Everyone kind of knows when I'm
talking about the swirling anxiety. Yes, yeah, I've never I'm
someone who's dealt with anxiety most of my life and
mental health struggles and stuff, and I've never seen it
portrayed so accurately. And it was like this CGI cartoon
and I was like, oh my gosh, it blew me away.
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That scene blew me away.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Oh that's amazing. That is the power of art. We
talk about wicked. It can help us view life through
a different lens and give us new perspective. When I
think about the movies, my best movies of the year,
I'm thinking about the movies that really impacted me emotionally.
The Substance is high up on that list for me.
Did you guys see The Substance?
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I haven't watched it yet because I think it's going
to be I've heard it's really intense, and I just
haven't been able to muster up the energy to do it.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
It's super intense, Danielle.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm really curious to hear what you think because it
hits on so many of the themes that we talk
about on our show. It's basically an indictment of impossible
beauty standards.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Oh wow, but.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's it's done in such an exaggerated fashion. It just
really drives home the point in a really powerful way.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Is that the one with Demi Moore?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yes, this is the one with Demi Moore and Margaret Qually.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Our show runner Tim is obsessed with this movie. I
have to watch. H Okay, Danny, we have another question
for you. I went to a Sabrina Carpenter concert a
few weeks ago, and I hadn't been to like a
pop stars concert in a while, and I definitely hadn't
been to like the next Gen pop star concert in
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a while, and I feel like a lot has changed.
I'm curious about where you feel the state of pop
stardom is right now for female pop stars.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Well, I'm loving that the gals are all front and
center right now. You know, Chapel Roan, Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, Beyonce,
you know all these people are. I like that it's
very female forward right now and pop music, and it's
so interesting. I just went to the Eras tour and
it was I felt very old there because there was
a lot of young people, all different ages. But I
was surrounded by these young people who were They were
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on TikTok the whole time, like they were live streaming it,
which I thought was interesting. But I'm thrilled about the
state of pop music at the moment. I feel like
there's a lot of great women that are killing it
right now. Did you guys do the Spotify rapped? Did
you do that?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Mine was embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
To tell me why we're always embarrassed by our Spotify raps.
It's time to air your dirty laundry. I want to
know everybody's top five, top five artists and then give
me your number one song too.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Okay, I have my top five right in front of me.
Here my top five artists. Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Beyonce
Cher was in my top five this year, so there,
there we go. Kelly Clarkson, I was in my top five,
and then my number one song was I Know I'm
So Gay, I'm So Gay. My number one song was
I'm going to Get You Back by Taylor Swift, which
was actually on like the second part of her Tortured
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Poets album, so it was like a you know, a
B side, but I love that song I'm going to
Get You Back.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Here my top artists. Number one is the film composer
Thomas Newman. He's behind acclaimed soundtracks to Little Women and
American Beauty. Max Richter is like a instrumental composer, so
those are like my focus soundtracks that I listened to
when I'm working, So apparently I did a lot of that.
Other artists Chapelerone of course, Christine and the Queens, and
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Novo More. My number one song is the song that
really took me by surprise. The song that I listened
to the most was I Surround Are All by gospel
legend CC Winans I love that I was really connected
to a higher source.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's I think that's beautiful, Okay. My top five are
Number one is Thames, number two is snow Allegra, number
three is Jojo, number four is Drake, and number five
is burna Boy. My top song is dou Wop by
Lauren Hill. But I do have to give a shout
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out to my number five top song, which is Wine
Slow by Egyptian.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Why was that my number five song?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
This is what I'm talking about when it comes to
being embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Why were you embarrassed about yours?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
I don't get too embarrassed. I mean, I know, I
just said I was embarrassed. I kind of think it's
just all funny and silly, but I do have old
music taste. So my Melissa Ethritch was in like my
top five because of a song that she performed. This
is so weird to even say out loud, but the
roso I'll show for a while was like uploading episodes
to YouTube, like from the nineties, full episodes, and I
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had been watching one one night and Melissa Ethridge performed
this song and it's like a ballad, and I became
obsessed with it in the summertime, and so it's in
my top five, but it's like a B side of
Melissa Ethridges from ninety nine and it was like number
three on my.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
List standing that tracks for you.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
It felt right, it felt right. But also I think
for the artists, I think Beyonce and Taylor Swift for
it both in in my top and the Ariana Grande
album I loved. And then also there was like an
obscure vander Pump Rules song that was like in my
I thought it was going to be in top five.
I thought it for sure it was going to be
in top five, and then it just missed the cut.
But it's called girls Girl, and I fell asleep to
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it on a plane on and it was on repeat,
and I was like, that's going to be my number one,
but it just missed out on the top five.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's hilarious, Simone, Why were you embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I'm embarrassed because I lack self awareness. Like I was
like getting ready to open up my spot if I wrapped,
and I was like, oh, yeah, mine's gonna be like
super cool. It's gonna be like a bunch of like
cool indie female artists like check this, I open it up.
My top song is I Surrender All by cc Winans,
So I was clear I know I love cc win
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in too, but I think I was clearly going through something.
If that was that was for what song, I must
have been going through a hard time. Also on there
was like Chapelerone Christine and the Queens the song love
My Way. So yeah, so we still have like a
lot of you know, feminine indie energy on there, but
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there's a dissonance between who I think I am and
who I really am.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
I think you hit on something. I think that's why
these are embarrassing. Yes, yes, did anybody have Beyonce on
their list?
Speaker 5 (29:49):
She was on my top artist list, and I think
her song with Miley was like in my top ten
or something. You wait real quickly though, I just one
of the other sort of embarrassing, but I want to
I give a plug too. Is Addison Ray's Diet PEPSI.
That was like in my top and I was like
obsessed with that.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So I still have especially a good song.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It's so good and I was like it started as
a joke, but yeah, so the first time I listened
to it, I was like making fun of it, and
then it literally is in my top five and I
couldn't shout out from the rooftops more. I think it's
like the best song ever.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
She's had a real good rebrand this year. It's time
for another short break, but we'll be back with Danny Pellegrino.
And we're back with Danny Pellegrino.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So, Beyonce was named Billboard's Greatest Pop Star of the
twenty first century. Mind you, we're only twenty five years
into the century, okay, for twenty four and a half
twenty four and three fourth. Rounding out the top ten
were Adele at number ten, Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Kanye West,
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Betney Spears, Lady Gaga, Drake Rihanna, Taylor Swift, and then
Beyonce at number one.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Wasn't it between? Wasn't it? Taylor and Beyonce were like
the top two and everyone was wondering, like who was
gonna come out on top or something like that.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Was that Pear Summer.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Too, And it was like, yeah, I feel like I
saw a headline or something about that, because they had
released the list sort of in piecemeals, so it was
like everybody had been waiting to see who the top
few were.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Wait, Danny, you're right, because it says well, Taylor Swift
is the century's biggest pop star. By the numbers, Beyonce
tops our staff chosen editorial list based on her full
twenty five years of influence, impact and evolution.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I think Taylor Swift would even admit that Beyonce probably
deserved that top spot. When I love them all and both, I.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Feel like a group of writers at Boboard got together
and were like, listen, we know we're only twenty four
years into this new century, but they're going to remember
our names. We are going to we are going to
tell them that Beyonce is the greatest artist of this
century and they can't take that away from.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Us because it is kind of crasy. We're so early.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
There was also a lot of people on that missed
that list that I was upset about. So, you know,
with all of these lists, I take it with a
grain of salt. But I feel like Mariah Carey wasn't
even on that list, and I'm like, come.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
On, she has to be.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
What's weird is Adele was on the list. And while
Adell is I think one of the best artists of
all time. I don't know if I put her in
the pop star category, like I would definitely put Mariah
in there first.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of I don't know.
It goes back to what we were saying earlier with
these lists, where I just sometimes feel like they're created
for outrage, and of course we all get outrage saying
oh Mariah didn't even make the list or whatever the
thing is, and of course it just helps get everyone
their clicks on stuff. But then I wonder sometimes, like
how purposeful was that. I know, I sound like a
conspiracy theorist on your podcast saying.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
That we love a little harmless pop conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Here's what's weird.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Three men were on the list, Kanye Drake, Justin Bieber.
I can get behind me. Jbiebes know, well, he is
kind of a pop star. I do get your fall.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
That's your fault that he's that he's on that list,
because I feel like without your impact of a Spotify,
without your Spotify list, they might not have taken that
in consideration.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Can we all three agree that Kanye West should not
be on the list.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I'm surprised that given his rhetoric over the past couple
of years that he was on this list.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I just think there's so many other women that deserve
to be on the list before Kanye West.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
I mean, yes, yes, it's a list. It's designed for
our outrage.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know what people are gonna say though, just that
Kanye is a musical genius, Like separate the art from
the artist, and if.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That's your stance, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
But I still don't agree that you're on the pop
star list.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
You're right about Adele though, because I don't. I love
her and have seen her live a million times, but
I don't consider I don't think of her in like
pop star terms. To me, she's like a vocal prowess
or a vocal legend.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, or one of like the classic divas, you know,
like yeah, to me, she's going to be like in
the Diana Ross, you know, turn just incredible vocalists.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Wait you guys, I just realized Creed isn't even on
this list anyway.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Oh my god, and it's null and void. I was right,
conspiracy talk about rage bait and where's next on.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Your Spotify simone?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
See another another example of a lack of self awareness.
I thought Creed was going to be in my top ten.
I guess I need to go harder next year for
Scott Stap.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I also just want to say for all of the
millennial women out there, they put Britney Spears on the list,
and they did not put Christina Aguilera or Jessica Simpson.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
That's the real egregious era, Danielle. There's no will of Ford.
I don't I didn't see her anywhere, and I'm pissed
about it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Danny Pellegrino, you are such a joy. Thank you so
much for joining us and bringing all your expertise.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Thank you so much for having me, And hopefully people
will check out Deck the Walls when it's airing on
the Hallmark Channel throughout the season. And then I also
have a holiday book called The Jolly's Bunch, which is
new in paperback if anyone wants to laugh throughout the
holiday season. It's also on.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Audiobook and listen to your podcast Everything Iconic, because it
is so iconic.
Speaker 5 (35:07):
It's so gross to do these plugs, but you know,
we got to keep the lights on. Thank you guys
for having me.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Of course it was so fun.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Danny Pellegrino's in New York Times best selling author comedian
and host of the podcast Everything Iconic. You can watch
his new movie Deck the Walls on Hallmark this season.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
That's it for today's show.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
On Monday, We're answering all your burning holiday etiquette questions
with etiquette author and entrepreneur Micah Meyer.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
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This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson and Joel Morales.
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I'm Simone Boyce.
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That's ro b a y We'll see you Monday, y'all.
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Keep looking on the bright side.