August 2, 2024 • 37 mins
Kirbie Johnson is a skincare and makeup guru known for her work with publications like PopSugar, The Cut, and her popular “Gloss Angeles” podcast. She pops off about celibacy and fidelity, the strange new TikTok trend of “Octopus Eyebrow,” Blake Lively’s new haircare brand, and more. We also learn about her latest project, “The Powder Room,” where she offers a behind-the-scenes look at the beauty industry — starting with an interview with Selena Gomez.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello Sunshine, Hey Bam.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
on the biggest pop culture stories of the week with
Post producer and reporter Kirby Johnson, who you know from
the Pod Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's Friday, August second.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm Simone Voice.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from
Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
share women's stories, to laugh, to learn, and brighten your day.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Danielle, Happy Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What a great week we've had on the show. It
really was a great week.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I loved our interview yesterday with Andrea Joyce. Me too.
She loved her craft so much. I loved that about her.
I think she's part of the Golden Girls too. Oh yeah,
all right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Today we're popping off about a TikTok trend that will
certainly raise or perhaps spread some eyebrows, plus a celebrity's
unconventional path to mental clarity, and the ultimate hot take.
It's cheat Day, y'all, a controversial think piece has us
wondering if it's ever okay to cheat on your partner.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
But before we go all the way there, it's time
to spotlight our favorite Moment of the Week brought to
you by our friends at BMW who are making summer yours.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Summer makes me think of road trips, and that's exactly
what we want to spotlight this week, especially a road
trip in the BMWIX I four.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
You're speaking my language, simone, because USA Today published this
list of top roadside attractions in the country, and they
are so kitchy and fun. There's one that really caught
my eye right away, and it's the Bonnie and Clyde
Ambush Museum in Gibbslan, Louisiana. Let me just give you
a little context. It's in the former mac Hanfield's Cafe,
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which legend has it is where Bonnie and Clyde ate
their final meal right before they you know what I mean.
So Bonnie a to BLT and Clyde ada fried Baloney sandwich.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Have you ever had a fried the Loney sandwich?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm gonna take the BLT. But that location sounds really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I love feeling like I'm steeped in history while I'm
eating a BLT.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I love that you said that, because this is what
I think is really cool about it. The museum has
all of these artifacts, like some of their personal items,
even weapons, photographs like they have all the the newspaper clippings,
like all the headlines from that moment, And I think
it's really cool to see these artifacts up close. And
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then also, I have to be honest with you, since
I'm in the car, I'm gonna drive to New Orleans
for a little bigne at Cafe Dumont. And if you
guys have heard of it, it's because it's the best
beignet place of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You gotta eat them hot though yes you've been, of course, Yeah,
you gotta eat them hot with all the powdered sugar
on top. It's so delicious, delish. Great choices, Danielle. I
saw both of those too. For my inspiration, I took
a peek at Timeout's Best US road.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Trip list Where we go Hell, my top choice.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is abundantly clear.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I want to take a joy ride through the hairpin
turns of the road to Hanna in Maui, Hawaii. So
this ride through paradise connects Kahului to Hanna on the
island of Maui. We're talking about epic ocean cliffs, waterfalls,
fragrant tropical flowers. I mean, sign me up. What more
could you want from a summer road trip? Plus a
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little dip in the ocean too, chef's kiss.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So wait, you're saying I'm going to Gibbsland and you're
going to Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, we got time.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Can we switch road trips?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You're more than welcome to hop into my BMW and
do the road to Hanna with me.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is this your first road trip or you do these?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I've done a lot of road trips.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
One of my favorite road trips was road tripping from
Florida to California the Southern route. So got to see
a lot of tumbleweeds, some beautiful red rock formations. Yeah,
very memorable.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
How about you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I have taken quite a few road trips too. I've
taken some California to Utah. I've taken some down like
the Eastern Coast. My most memorable one, though, I have
to tell you, was with my best friend from high school, Martina,
and junior year of high school, we begged her mom
to let us borrow her BMW X three and we
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would road trip to every Midwestern college.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We would go to Indiana to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
To Wisconsin, to Ohio State and we were telling our
parents that on the weekends like we were just you know,
visiting colleges. Really, we were just hanging out with our
friends who were like a year or two older than us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We were sleeping like three in a bed in their.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Dorm room, going out every like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and
then driving home on Sunday and being like, hmm, maybe
we should go to college there.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh that sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I have the best memories from those road trips.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, I have a few more road trip ideas that
I want to run by you.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh you ready, Yes, You're seemed better than mine, so
I'm now very curious.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's not a competition. Okay, they're all winners.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But for my first fantasy road trip idea, I'm thinking
East Coast will take Roote six from Providence, Rhode Island,
to Provincetown, Massachusetts, with pitstops in charming New England towns
along the way. Can't forget Cape Cod. I've always wanted
to go.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yes, me too, and I've always wanted to go to
Rhode Island.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Okay, great, so we're agreed on that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yep, next one on the West Coast, I think we
can consider Utah West Coast sort of. Yeah, so I'm
thinking Utah's Scenic Byway twelve. We'll drive through Red Rock Arches,
scenic overlooks, views of the Henry Mountains, and then head
on over to Bryce Canyon too. There's also this thing
called the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument. And apparently there's
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this amazing coffee shop called Kiva Coffeehouse where you can
have a cup of Joe with a view.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Simone, you had me at coffee, right, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Finally, to round out our fantasy road trip list, we're
heading up north go into the Sun Road in Montana's
Glacier National Park. At an elevation over sixty five hundred feet.
We'll be able to take in all the wildflower meadows
and verdant valleys below Verdant Valleys going to the Sun Road,
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it just makes so much sense for the bright side.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I just want everybody to know that Simona's a beautiful vocabulary.
I don't always know the words she's using. Verdant is
one of them. She recently taught me. It means greenery, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I just like the way verdant valley sounds.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Verdant valleys. Well, you sold me, I'm in. I also
love Montana. If we're there, can we kind of drive
to Big Sky and see God's Country and hike a
little bit totally. I got my cowboy boots ready, Simon.
I know we have like a daily show to do,
but I'm thinking we should just hop in the car.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Let's go. What are we doing here in this stuffy studio.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's summer.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
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Speaker 4 (07:01):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Let's go is right, because it's time to pop off, y'all.
And today we're joined by a true beauty guru, Kirby Johnson.
She is our go to girl for skincare, for makeup trends,
for celebrity content. I mean, you name it, she knows it.
Kirby first started reporting for Pop Sugar back in twenty eleven,
and her work has been seen in publications like The Cut,
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Glamour and The Hollywood Reporter and now The bright Side.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
She's interviewed some of the biggest names in Hollywood, Jennifer Aniston,
Viola Davis, Ariana Grande, Mariah Carrie, and now she's the
co host of the very popular Gloss Angeles podcast. I
love listening, Kirby, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thank you both. It is crazy too. I mean I
know both of you, but hearing your voices in my
headphones versus on my phone in the bathroom when I'm
getting ready in the morning, it's pretty major.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I'm really excited to be here. You can't escape us,
hik I really can't.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I can't. Can I just.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
First say, Los Angeles. God, that's such a good name.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It's such a good credit to my co host, Sarah Tan.
We had a different name. It was originally reporting for
Beauty because we're both beauty editors.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Reporting for duty. Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
We love a good play onwards it was taken. The
domain name was taken, and we said, okay, we got
to rethink, and then she just said, what about gloss Angelus.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I actually think it was meant to be. It's so elevated,
it's so great.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love a good name, like I just really appreciate
like a good name.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we call our listeners glam Jelino's instead of Angelina.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, here's the thing that I find super interesting about you, Kirby.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We met tell me, well, we.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Met on red carpets early on in both of our careers.
We were interviewing people at the very ends of the
lines of the red carpets, bagging for interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I know what that section of the carpet is like,
very well.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yes, it's like where all the hooligans are, and we're like,
we're all trying so hard, but we're also like nobody
cares about us, so we can really get away With
Tom Cruse, this is the only one who will He'll
bypass everyone and just come over. And you're like, this
was a gift, thank god, thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But we were doing entertainment, yeah, and then you saw
something that was available that wasn't being covered in the
way that you wanted to cover it, and that was beauty.
And so you took your knowledge of entertainment and started
this cross section of beauty reporting and you've really become
the go to person on the Internet and for a
lot of huge magazines.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah, I'm very fascinated with anything behind the scenes. I
grew up in Texas, That's where my family is, and
my goal, I think since second grade, was to move
to Hollywood. Like you know when they have those little
posters that you make that say where do you want
to be?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What do you want to do? It was literally me drawing.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
A picture of the Hollywood Hills with the Hollywood sign,
Like I knew I wanted to be here, And I
was always fascinated not just with the glitz and the
glam of like a Julia Roberts or Cameron.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Diaz, but I really wanted to know who was.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Made making these people look like this, Like Cameron Diaz,
like how did she get her hair, you know, up
and gelled like that? And something about Mary like what
was that?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Really?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like I couldn't product was yeah, what was it?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And then reading magazines like a Lore where they were
really they weren't called glam squads at the time, but
they were really highlighting the people like Hillary Duff's favorite
I makeup pencil, according to her makeup artist is blah
blah blah. So I really liked kind of sharing that
information with my friends, reading it and then taking it
to them kind of like a little roving reporter, and
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then you know, you come out to LA everybody wants
to be for me. At least when I moved out
in two thousand and nine, it was E News. I
wanted to be on E News. I wanted to be
Ryan and Juliana. I like in college, I was glued
to E News. And then you learn very quickly, Oh,
you can't just waltz in and be like, I want
an audition. I want to get that job like I.
You know, there's a lot of people vuying for that job.
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Even people that were working as editors and writers on
those sites were not able to get those on camera jobs.
And so I really try to figure out, Okay, what's
my edge? What makes me different? Everybody's reporting on entertainment,
and I think the two things were beauty obviously, and
then also reporting on things in a realistic way without
degrading other people. I think that when you yuck somebody
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else's yum, it's just bad vibes, bad karma. I don't
want that in my life. And also, you never know
what somebody is going through. So I always try to
come at it where I might be critical of something,
but it's always constructive and it's never mean, It's never
in a way that I think could put somebody down.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It sounds like Los Angeles has kind of become like
this group chat that you've opened up to the masses.
You're saying that it started out just you reporting beauty
information to your friends. What would you say is your
philosophy when you cover these.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Topics That beauty is subjective, So what's beautiful to me
may not be beautiful to you. To you, it's very
dependent on so many factors in your life. And that
also there's beauty in everything. That might kind of sound
contradictory in a way, but it's not. There's beauty and everything.
So if something doesn't work for you, that's fine, it
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may work for other people. There's no need to shade anybody.
There's no need to be hypercritical of something. I do
think there are really dumb trends that come around, but
they're dumb because they are only being done for likes
and views and engagement.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They don't actually teach anything.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Don't worry, guys, we're not going to talk about any
of them today. We're not going to talk about any
dumb trends today.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But I think that you know, beauty can seem very
superficial and there's a lot more to it. It's you know,
the whole the skin deep, you know, saying that everybody
loves to say. It's like it is really more than
skin deep. So I that's kind of where I come
from when it comes to beauty, that there's beauty and everything. Well,
you just launched a new project called powder Room.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
The latest episode launched with Rare Beauty founders Selina Gomez.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yes, what way to launch? Kirby?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I just I shot my shot basically did you chat
with her about?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
The whole premise of powder Room is, you know, when
you go into a women's bathroom. I was kind of
laughing about this because I'm like, when was the last
time I was in a club. But when you go
to the club and you're having fun with your girls,
you go to the bathroom and everyone's kind of congregating,
they're doing their makeup, or maybe somebody's like emotional about
how somebody's treating her, and you're offering advice.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's like a.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Community aspect where you can go, you know, really superficial
level or like really deep with someone and make somebody
feel good. That's what I wanted the powder room to be.
But I wanted to be like slightly elevated, not like
I didn't want to call it like the women's bathroom,
girls girls room. There's plenty of girls rooms, so I
was like, the powder room. Men can come in the
powder room if they want to, Like, I want to
open this up to everybody. But she just happened to
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be launching a powder so it kind of worked out perfectly.
And I asked her team and they said yes, and
then I went in and I remember I was shaking.
I was so nervous. I've interviewed her before, so this
is you know, you know how it gets y'all like
you You're like, they're here, they're in the floor. I
want to do a great job, and you want them
to be happy. That's where I come from. I don't
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want them to be like, this girl's weird.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
What are these questions?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
God?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to answer this.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I want them to feel comfortable, and I want them,
like not to like me, but I want them to
enjoy the experience. Selena was great. She was absolutely lovely.
She was totally down and we just we talked about.
It was a five minute interview, which you're you know,
you guys, know, what can you really get out of
five minutes?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But she gave me some really good more souls, which
I was really really excited about. Yeah, that's super cool.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
All right, y'all. It is the end of the week.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It is time to pop off on some of the
biggest moments in pop culture from the week.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Kirby, what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Okay, there's major, major beauty news this week. May am
I to not share beauty news. If I said the
name Blake Brown Beauty, does that ring any bells for you?
It probably will for you too, because you're in it.
But no, it does because I saw your video. Oh okay, Okay,
so I'm gonna be quiet.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, Blake Brown, the name Blake Brown, I don't know it.
I don't know the name Blake Brown.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Okay, So what if I told you that was Blake
Lively's new haircare brand that is launching next week nationwide
in Target stores.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Eight products, shampoos, a styling product, a moose hair masks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No conditioner, interesting nosier? No conditioner? Why is that for
curly girls?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
The ethos of this brand, essentially is that you don't
use conditioner, you use the Leven masks that they offer
to repair the hair.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
This is a trend, though I've heard this. Actually, a
girl just told me she has curly hair. I'm trying
to work out my curls and she said, no conditioner,
just use this mask.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, how's a curly girl. I don't know about this
no conditioner thing. I'm I'm optical because we need if
you have natural hair, like you need conditioner, you need moisture.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So they're saying that these Levin masks that they're providing,
these giant vats of them, that's what you should use.
So pick a mask that's meant to repair the hair
versus just a typical conditioner, which we are kind of,
to Danielle's point, seeing a little bit more of, especially
with the rise of K eighteen being like a repairative
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mask that you just leave in and get.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
The only masks that I've used that's worked for me,
and I've tried all of the.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Same K eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh my god, it's very overpriced and it is so good.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
It is so good and it actually works, yeah, better
than anything else out there.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I love a new beauty discovery.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, speaking of hair, there is this I don't even
I can't even say it. There is this new trend
on TikTok called the octopus eyebrow. It has more than
twelve million views, a million likes. It's everywhere. It's one
of those dumb trends that you were talking about. It
get you spelled out.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I know, I know. I don't like saying dumb. I
don't know why.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, I understand, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it feels very It feels like worse than a curse
words to me.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I'm like, like, nothing's dumb. I think this is dumb.
Tell the listeners what the octopus eyebrow is.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We'll let them judge. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, So people are doing this.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You split your eyebrow hairs down the middle with a
very thick wax or palmade maybe from Anastasia Beverly Hills,
and you curl your brow hairs look like little octopus
legs up and down.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's the part, the up and down. So some of
them are going down, some of them are going up.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It is truly, uh, you know, the fear of holes
like that is the fear that this gives me incites
in me. It doesn't look natural because you're literally parting
your hair your brow hairs in a way that's just
truly the most unnatural. Well.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Refinery twenty nine kind of posted it as this avant
garde model editorial.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Look, I'm sorry, nobody except literally a model in a
magazine for a photo, is doing this to look good.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
The only reason this is happening is because it will
get you views on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Someone should demonstrate.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think someone should demonstrate it to be.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I don't have the products you have beautiful fluffy brows.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I have a meeting.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I can't have a bad information because I was promised
that someone was going to demonstrate this trend today.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I I considered it, but I did not have the
right product than your I was told, hey, if you
have this stuff, can you bring it? And I was
like yeah. Then I looked in my stash. I did
not have any of the things.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So I don't I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was not really into having Calamari browse today, so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I actually like that name better. Yeah me too, It's better.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be
right back. Don't go anywhere. We're back to popping off
with Kirby Johnson.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Okay, how important is mental clarity do you guys? Very
like sale of one to ten ten.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I don't think I'm I'm mentally clear ever, but it
is important.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
It's really high. Okay, how about you, Simon? Yeah, very
important one through ten ten. Wow, so both of you
are ten. So you're saying you're willing to do absolutely
anything for mental clarity.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, you asked me how much.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I prioritize it. I do prioritize it, but there are limits.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, I want to see if you would go this far?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
R and B singer Maya from.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's the Iconic Anthem from Mulanderge.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
The Iconic R and B singer Maya just last week
revealed that she's been quote celibate for seven years.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Good for her.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
She said it during her appearance on the Way Up
with Angela Yee, saying that the practice of celibacy has
brought her more mental clarity and shifted her mindset, and
she talked about how she felt like there was always
this rush to be in a relationship, to have a man,
to have babies. There's a lot of pressure for women
in particular. I definitely feel that do you feel it, yes, yes,
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right now? Feeling it me too. So it let her
take a step back and refocus. And here's the thing
that's interesting to me. She's not alone Lenny Kravitz, Julia Fox,
all celebrities that have come out recently calling it this
spiritual thing. The one thing I will say about this
is that I'm confused between celibacy and abstinence because I
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think celibacy has a religious connotation. So I'm not sure
if it's abstinence or celibacy. But either way, they're not
having sex. Okay, that's because perhaps it's my Texas roots.
But abstinence has a religious connotation for me. Yes, interesting
because it was you are abstinate until marriage.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That was what I was taught growing up. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I always think of abstinence as the period before you
have sex yep. And then celibacy is when you after
take a conscious pause.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Maybe it's both, maybe they're both kind of religious in
a way. But although celibacy so many, so many women
are choosing themselves versus having sex and being in a
relationship or not being in relationship and having sex, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Men, women.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I think it's it's something that we're seeing a lot
more of and people are being a lot more vocal
about it instead of being like, oh, the last time I,
you know, have gotten late or whatever was. It's like
a very active approach to your sex life.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Okay, I'm going to be very honest here. Okay, I
feel less mental clarity. If I am celibate.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It is not for me, So you need you have
a need for speed.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I just feel like a better version of myself not celibate, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I do think I mean, Simon, I'm curious your thoughts
about this. Do you think that, like, how what percentage
of people do you think are actively celibate right now
in the world? My god, do you think that there
is a large majority of people that are conscientiously thinking
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to themselves, I'm purposefully not having sex. Because what Maya
was saying is that chat GPT Kirby.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Oh please do please.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I don't have a computer, so you have to do it.
I would love to know, Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
According to a twenty twenty one General Social Survey, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Know how Actually that is.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But more than a quarter of Americans over eighteen haven't
had sex in the past year.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
But is that a concerted effort, So it's a thirty
year high.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's a trend. It's called a sex recession, which we're
definitely in.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're totally in one. And it's being driven by younger generations.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Too, jen Z.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But you're saying that they are actively not having sex
on purpose, ye, not like they just have not found
a partner.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Men and women are different.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Men, it's not it's not their choice, and women it
is the choice.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Okay, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that makes sense
to me. Interesting, Yeah, fascinating. I like Maya's mindset and
that her purpose for celibacy is that she's not putting
any time constraints on herself to get married, to have children,
to be in a relationship. She's not depending on another
person for love, safety and needs that she may need
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to have met. Yes, and I think that's a good thing.
I just got out of a very long term relationship and.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
How long eight years?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Damn very long. I would consider it a marriage in
a way. But the last thing on my mind right
now is trying to find another person totally. But then
also in the back of my head, there is this
thing that Maya was talking about, like, Okay, I'm getting
older if I want to get married and have children,
like and I never used to have that, you know,
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ticking clock scenario in my head ever, not.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Even from your Texas parents. No, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
My Texas parents were amazing and that they never pushed
any of that on me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And I did go to school in Texas and everybody
got married right after college, so I never having that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I feel very blessed.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But now I'm kind of like, Okay, I gotta maybe
figure this out soon. But I like that Maya is like, no,
by being celibate, I don't even have that's not even
a factor. If it happens, great, but I'm not actively
I'm promising myself I'm going to stay this way until
I'm personally ready to commit.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is the definition of agency.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I I really celebrate this, and I also celebrate
the idea of younger, more impressionable people growing up in
today's world having an example like this just as an
option to say, like, I don't need to be out
there having sex with a lot of people. I don't
know if I don't want to, because look look at
you know, Lenny Kravitz and Maya. I actually think that
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that's really healthy, and I think it aligns with what
we've been talking about, this fact that like younger generations
are less interested in having these like casual hookups, and
also totally gen Z viewers want to see less sex
on screen too, which is interesting in such a big
contrast from the environment that I grew up in in
the nineties and two thousands.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So I actually totally disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I feel that I love I agree with you in
the agency department. I think that's beautiful. Seven years is
a long time to me. That signals like something deeper
is going on, because relationships, regardless of what they are,
are like at the core of what it means to
be a human being. And I think the sex recession
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actually speaks to something deeper and worse going on in
our society. I think, like young kids don't know how
to relate to one another, and they don't realize how
important real intimacy is, not just like you know, going
out and having sex with whoever, but intimacy.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Is really important.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
And I really there's this great story it was in
the New York Times years ago of this woman who
got divorced and moved to India, went to an astrom
lived there, ended up living there for twenty years and
did a ton of work on herself, and at.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
The end of her time, she went to.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Like the Master, the bood, I don't know, like what
the phrase is, the Guru and said it's time for
me to leave. And he said, well, why I've been
waiting for you to come here and tell me that,
And she said, because I've done all I can.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Do on my own.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
In order to evolve to the next level, I need
a mirror. And romantic relationships provide that mirror for you,
like they stretch you in a way that nothing else can.
And I feel like we shouldn't be poop pooing that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I I agree with you on a lot of points.
I do think there is an intimacy issue in twenty
twenty four, for sure, and there's there's a lot of
reasons for that, you know, lack of interpersonal skills, right,
the pandemic anxiety.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
There are so many elements to that.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And I also love that story about the woman because
I think about that a lot. Where I used to
be like, I'm fine, I'm misindependent, I'm good. I don't
need a man. I don't even in my relationship. I
was like, I'm so independent, I don't need you to
do anything for me. And then slowly but surely you realize, no,
you want the mirror. You want somebody to be there
(27:43):
for you, to be a safe place for you that
you where you can break down or you can you know,
celebrate your wins and feel.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Good about it. So I see both sides.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
But someone, I really loved what you said about agency
because growing up, who did we have Britney Spears telling
people she was waiting until she was gonna get married
and yeah, and then you know, we know how those go.
So I actually like this where it's like I'm a
grown adult and I'm making this active decision and that's
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okay for people to look up to, versus trying to
put upon impressionable teenagers like what they should or shouldn't
be doing.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, all right, we're going to take a hard left
turn here from celibacy to cheating okay, tanks, okay, okay.
So we came across this article in the cut with
the headline this is a. This is a bomb drop
right here. Is cheating okay if you end up with
the love of your life?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Oh my god, I love Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Let's hear the details.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So this article says there is one exception to cheating,
and that's if and only if it leads you to
finding the love of your life. And the writer comes
with case studies. She's got the receipts. She points to
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. Wait, what whom he fell
for on the set of a movie while he was
still married to his college sweetheart?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Not America's Tom.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Okay, I actually did there so many hit and Angelina
more allegedly Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Allegedly Alicia Keys and Swiss beats Ma Shonda. Yes, also
just to take a trip over the pond for a moment.
Prince Charles and Queen Camilla marriage was a culmination of,
obviously this decades long love affair between the two.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So this is the big question of the day that
we were going to end on. Lady Wow, is it
okay to cheat if you find the love of your life?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Kirby we the f.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Actually the Prince Charles and Camilla comparison are example. I
was telling my mom, because my mom is a diehard
Royals fan, she's like Camilla.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like. Growing up, Camilla was not it. She was not
the girl. She was the side chick. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Then as I've gotten older and have you know, educated
myself on the Royal family and all of that shananery,
I realized they should have been together from the jump.
Prince Charles and Camilla should have been together from the jump.
It is so unfortunate that Diana got dragged into that mess.
And that is not her fault. That is Prince Charles's fault.
That is the family's fault. But he's still kicking it
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with Camilla. And I think about this all the time.
And granted, if I had been cheated on, maybe I
would think differently about this. I would probably the emotions
of being cheated on would probably take over versus what
I'm about to say. But if they do, I think
about I'm not even kidding you, I think about this
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at least once a week. If you end up with
the person you're supposed to actually be with, then you.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Weren't supposed to be with that first person anyways.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
And that and that person wasn't supposed to be with you.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Wait, so I want to I just want to make
sure I understand. Please, both of you feel like it's
not okay if you don't end up with the person,
but it's all okay if you do end up with
that person.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, And unfortunately there's no way to know if it
is the right person, so there's going to be some
collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
To say I do not condone cheating, and I also
think that in some cases it can lead you to
being with the person that you were meant to be with.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's nuance, and that's what we love to see here.
That's what we do here on the right side base
its nuance.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I also think there's a difference between being a serial
cheater with randoms and not being able to be loyal
to your partner when you go out at night, you know,
with your friends, versus meeting someone and falling deeply in
love with them and realizing this is actually the person
I'm supposed to be with.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So my take on it is that Esther Perel says
that cheating is the only thing that is universally practiced
and universally condemned, and I agree with her. I also
think this is actually part of feminism that we haven't
totally discussed and uncovered yet in our society because it's
so taboo.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No one wants to talk.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
About cheating, okay, because nobody wants like the lights on them, right,
Nobody wants to be thought of as a cheater cheating.
In many ways, the accusation always goes to the woman.
Even I said die chick earlier. That's a terrible term.
There's no term for a side man, right. I don't
like the idea of cheating. I've been cheated on. When
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I was twenty four, I cheated on my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's part of life. I think. I don't want to
do it. I don't want to be in a marriage
where I do it.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I've made that decision, But you can't control other people
teach their own. Yeah, Kirby, Okay, before you leave us today,
I feel like we'd be remiss not to ask you
because you're just such a wealth of knowledge. What's a
beauty tip that your mama touched you all the way
from Texas that you want to share with us?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Oh my, oh, so my mom was a cosmatologist growing up,
So I had a lot of beauty tips. But one
thing I it's not necessarily tip, but she would always
pick me up when I was little, put me, stand
me on the counter, and make me look in the mirror,
and she would say, who is that pretty girl? And
I know, now, you're not supposed to, like tell kids
that they're pretty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You're supposed to be like you're so intelligent or whatever.
You're neutrally and physically attractive.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah, but I think that lately I've actually been looking
in the mirror, PA like, girl, you look good, Like
you are doing good.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're doing the right things.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
You are surrounding yourself with the right people. You are
doing some things right. And maybe something's wrong, but it's
going to be okay. So I think that's probably the
best thing that she ever did for me, is as
telling myself to telling me it's okay to.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Talk to yourself. Who's that pretty girl in the mirror?
Who is that pretty girl in the mirror? I love that. Kirby,
thank you so much for popping off with us. I
adore you both. Thank you so much. This is so funny.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Kirby Johnson is a producer, reporter and co host of
the beloved Beauty podcast Los Angeles. Follow her on social
at Kirby Johnson to check out her latest project, The
powder Room. We have to take a quick break. Stick
with us. Welcome back, Simone. We're kicking off something new today.
(34:27):
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Speaker 2 (34:39):
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can only take one makeup product with you. What's it
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Speaker 1 (34:47):
You know what I'm about to say.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
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this show. It is the Lareel Paris Waterproof mascara in black.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
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it for like fifteen years and I never stray. I
never cheat on her because Lareel Paris Waterproof mescaren black
is my girl. Because I hate when mascara gets all
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with the weather being extremely hot this summer, one hundred
(35:20):
plus degrees outside. I am not here for a smudging
or running down my face moment, right. I need it
to last until we're done with the podcast every single day,
you know, like I don't need to look down at
myself at five pm and say where did my eyelashes go?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But I also want that voluminous lash.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And you know what's funny, Simone, Unlike you, I have cheated,
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Speaker 1 (35:54):
On Monday, Golden Globe.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Winning actress and singer Kayala Settle is gearing up for
the release of Wicked, and she's stopping by to discuss
what success means to her now. The bright Side is
a production of Hello, Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts, and is
executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
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Jessica Wank is our producer. Our senior producers are Janis Yamoka,
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Speaker 1 (36:24):
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Speaker 4 (36:27):
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This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson, Carl Catel,
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Speaker 3 (37:07):
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Speaker 4 (37:12):
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Speaker 1 (37:15):
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looking on the bright side, y'all.
Hello Sunshine, Hey Bam.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
on the biggest pop culture stories of the week with
Post producer and reporter Kirby Johnson, who you know from
the Pod Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's Friday, August second.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm Simone Voice.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from
Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to
share women's stories, to laugh, to learn, and brighten your day.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Danielle, Happy Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What a great week we've had on the show. It
really was a great week.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I loved our interview yesterday with Andrea Joyce. Me too.
She loved her craft so much. I loved that about her.
I think she's part of the Golden Girls too. Oh yeah,
all right.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Today we're popping off about a TikTok trend that will
certainly raise or perhaps spread some eyebrows, plus a celebrity's
unconventional path to mental clarity, and the ultimate hot take.
It's cheat Day, y'all, a controversial think piece has us
wondering if it's ever okay to cheat on your partner.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Summer makes me think of road trips, and that's exactly
what we want to spotlight this week, especially a road
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
You're speaking my language, simone, because USA Today published this
list of top roadside attractions in the country, and they
are so kitchy and fun. There's one that really caught
my eye right away, and it's the Bonnie and Clyde
Ambush Museum in Gibbslan, Louisiana. Let me just give you
a little context. It's in the former mac Hanfield's Cafe,
(01:46):
which legend has it is where Bonnie and Clyde ate
their final meal right before they you know what I mean.
So Bonnie a to BLT and Clyde ada fried Baloney sandwich.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Have you ever had a fried the Loney sandwich?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm gonna take the BLT. But that location sounds really cool.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
I love feeling like I'm steeped in history while I'm
eating a BLT.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I love that you said that, because this is what
I think is really cool about it. The museum has
all of these artifacts, like some of their personal items,
even weapons, photographs like they have all the the newspaper clippings,
like all the headlines from that moment, And I think
it's really cool to see these artifacts up close. And
(02:29):
then also, I have to be honest with you, since
I'm in the car, I'm gonna drive to New Orleans
for a little bigne at Cafe Dumont. And if you
guys have heard of it, it's because it's the best
beignet place of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
You gotta eat them hot though yes you've been, of course, Yeah,
you gotta eat them hot with all the powdered sugar
on top. It's so delicious, delish. Great choices, Danielle. I
saw both of those too. For my inspiration, I took
a peek at Timeout's Best US road.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Trip list Where we go Hell, my top choice.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is abundantly clear.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I want to take a joy ride through the hairpin
turns of the road to Hanna in Maui, Hawaii. So
this ride through paradise connects Kahului to Hanna on the
island of Maui. We're talking about epic ocean cliffs, waterfalls,
fragrant tropical flowers. I mean, sign me up. What more
could you want from a summer road trip? Plus a
(03:25):
little dip in the ocean too, chef's kiss.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So wait, you're saying I'm going to Gibbsland and you're
going to Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, we got time.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Can we switch road trips?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You're more than welcome to hop into my BMW and
do the road to Hanna with me.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Is this your first road trip or you do these?
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I've done a lot of road trips.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
One of my favorite road trips was road tripping from
Florida to California the Southern route. So got to see
a lot of tumbleweeds, some beautiful red rock formations. Yeah,
very memorable.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
How about you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
I have taken quite a few road trips too. I've
taken some California to Utah. I've taken some down like
the Eastern Coast. My most memorable one, though, I have
to tell you, was with my best friend from high school, Martina,
and junior year of high school, we begged her mom
to let us borrow her BMW X three and we
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would road trip to every Midwestern college.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
We would go to Indiana to Michigan.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
To Wisconsin, to Ohio State and we were telling our
parents that on the weekends like we were just you know,
visiting colleges. Really, we were just hanging out with our
friends who were like a year or two older than us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We were sleeping like three in a bed in their.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Dorm room, going out every like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and
then driving home on Sunday and being like, hmm, maybe
we should go to college there.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh that sounds like so much fun.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I have the best memories from those road trips.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay, I have a few more road trip ideas that
I want to run by you.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Oh you ready, Yes, You're seemed better than mine, so
I'm now very curious.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It's not a competition. Okay, they're all winners.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But for my first fantasy road trip idea, I'm thinking
East Coast will take Roote six from Providence, Rhode Island,
to Provincetown, Massachusetts, with pitstops in charming New England towns
along the way. Can't forget Cape Cod. I've always wanted
to go.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yes, me too, and I've always wanted to go to
Rhode Island.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Okay, great, so we're agreed on that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yep, next one on the West Coast, I think we
can consider Utah West Coast sort of. Yeah, so I'm
thinking Utah's Scenic Byway twelve. We'll drive through Red Rock Arches,
scenic overlooks, views of the Henry Mountains, and then head
on over to Bryce Canyon too. There's also this thing
called the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument. And apparently there's
(05:40):
this amazing coffee shop called Kiva Coffeehouse where you can
have a cup of Joe with a view.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Simone, you had me at coffee, right, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Finally, to round out our fantasy road trip list, we're
heading up north go into the Sun Road in Montana's
Glacier National Park. At an elevation over sixty five hundred feet.
We'll be able to take in all the wildflower meadows
and verdant valleys below Verdant Valleys going to the Sun Road,
(06:10):
it just makes so much sense for the bright side.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I just want everybody to know that Simona's a beautiful vocabulary.
I don't always know the words she's using. Verdant is
one of them. She recently taught me. It means greenery, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I just like the way verdant valley sounds.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Verdant valleys. Well, you sold me, I'm in. I also
love Montana. If we're there, can we kind of drive
to Big Sky and see God's Country and hike a
little bit totally. I got my cowboy boots ready, Simon.
I know we have like a daily show to do,
but I'm thinking we should just hop in the car.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Let's go. What are we doing here in this stuffy studio.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It's summer.
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Let's go.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Let's go is right, because it's time to pop off, y'all.
And today we're joined by a true beauty guru, Kirby Johnson.
She is our go to girl for skincare, for makeup trends,
for celebrity content. I mean, you name it, she knows it.
Kirby first started reporting for Pop Sugar back in twenty eleven,
and her work has been seen in publications like The Cut,
(07:23):
Glamour and The Hollywood Reporter and now The bright Side.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
She's interviewed some of the biggest names in Hollywood, Jennifer Aniston,
Viola Davis, Ariana Grande, Mariah Carrie, and now she's the
co host of the very popular Gloss Angeles podcast. I
love listening, Kirby, Welcome to the bright Side.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Thank you both. It is crazy too. I mean I
know both of you, but hearing your voices in my
headphones versus on my phone in the bathroom when I'm
getting ready in the morning, it's pretty major.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I'm really excited to be here. You can't escape us,
hik I really can't.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I can't. Can I just.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
First say, Los Angeles. God, that's such a good name.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
It's such a good credit to my co host, Sarah Tan.
We had a different name. It was originally reporting for
Beauty because we're both beauty editors.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Reporting for duty. Yeah, and then.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
We love a good play onwards it was taken. The
domain name was taken, and we said, okay, we got
to rethink, and then she just said, what about gloss Angelus.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I actually think it was meant to be. It's so elevated,
it's so great.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I love a good name, like I just really appreciate
like a good name.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And we call our listeners glam Jelino's instead of Angelina.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, here's the thing that I find super interesting about you, Kirby.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
We met tell me, well, we.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Met on red carpets early on in both of our careers.
We were interviewing people at the very ends of the
lines of the red carpets, bagging for interviews.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I know what that section of the carpet is like,
very well.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Yes, it's like where all the hooligans are, and we're like,
we're all trying so hard, but we're also like nobody
cares about us, so we can really get away With
Tom Cruse, this is the only one who will He'll
bypass everyone and just come over. And you're like, this
was a gift, thank god, thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But we were doing entertainment, yeah, and then you saw
something that was available that wasn't being covered in the
way that you wanted to cover it, and that was beauty.
And so you took your knowledge of entertainment and started
this cross section of beauty reporting and you've really become
the go to person on the Internet and for a
lot of huge magazines.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Yeah, I'm very fascinated with anything behind the scenes. I
grew up in Texas, That's where my family is, and
my goal, I think since second grade, was to move
to Hollywood. Like you know when they have those little
posters that you make that say where do you want
to be?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
What do you want to do? It was literally me drawing.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
A picture of the Hollywood Hills with the Hollywood sign,
Like I knew I wanted to be here, And I
was always fascinated not just with the glitz and the
glam of like a Julia Roberts or Cameron.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Diaz, but I really wanted to know who was.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Made making these people look like this, Like Cameron Diaz,
like how did she get her hair, you know, up
and gelled like that? And something about Mary like what
was that?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Really?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like I couldn't product was yeah, what was it?
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And then reading magazines like a Lore where they were
really they weren't called glam squads at the time, but
they were really highlighting the people like Hillary Duff's favorite
I makeup pencil, according to her makeup artist is blah
blah blah. So I really liked kind of sharing that
information with my friends, reading it and then taking it
to them kind of like a little roving reporter, and
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then you know, you come out to LA everybody wants
to be for me. At least when I moved out
in two thousand and nine, it was E News. I
wanted to be on E News. I wanted to be
Ryan and Juliana. I like in college, I was glued
to E News. And then you learn very quickly, Oh,
you can't just waltz in and be like, I want
an audition. I want to get that job like I.
You know, there's a lot of people vuying for that job.
(10:55):
Even people that were working as editors and writers on
those sites were not able to get those on camera jobs.
And so I really try to figure out, Okay, what's
my edge? What makes me different? Everybody's reporting on entertainment,
and I think the two things were beauty obviously, and
then also reporting on things in a realistic way without
degrading other people. I think that when you yuck somebody
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else's yum, it's just bad vibes, bad karma. I don't
want that in my life. And also, you never know
what somebody is going through. So I always try to
come at it where I might be critical of something,
but it's always constructive and it's never mean, It's never
in a way that I think could put somebody down.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It sounds like Los Angeles has kind of become like
this group chat that you've opened up to the masses.
You're saying that it started out just you reporting beauty
information to your friends. What would you say is your
philosophy when you cover these.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Topics That beauty is subjective, So what's beautiful to me
may not be beautiful to you. To you, it's very
dependent on so many factors in your life. And that
also there's beauty in everything. That might kind of sound
contradictory in a way, but it's not. There's beauty and everything.
So if something doesn't work for you, that's fine, it
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may work for other people. There's no need to shade anybody.
There's no need to be hypercritical of something. I do
think there are really dumb trends that come around, but
they're dumb because they are only being done for likes
and views and engagement.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They don't actually teach anything.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Don't worry, guys, we're not going to talk about any
of them today. We're not going to talk about any
dumb trends today.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
But I think that you know, beauty can seem very
superficial and there's a lot more to it. It's you know,
the whole the skin deep, you know, saying that everybody
loves to say. It's like it is really more than
skin deep. So I that's kind of where I come
from when it comes to beauty, that there's beauty and everything. Well,
you just launched a new project called powder Room.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes, and I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
The latest episode launched with Rare Beauty founders Selina Gomez.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yes, what way to launch? Kirby?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I just I shot my shot basically did you chat
with her about?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
The whole premise of powder Room is, you know, when
you go into a women's bathroom. I was kind of
laughing about this because I'm like, when was the last
time I was in a club. But when you go
to the club and you're having fun with your girls,
you go to the bathroom and everyone's kind of congregating,
they're doing their makeup, or maybe somebody's like emotional about
how somebody's treating her, and you're offering advice.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's like a.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Community aspect where you can go, you know, really superficial
level or like really deep with someone and make somebody
feel good. That's what I wanted the powder room to be.
But I wanted to be like slightly elevated, not like
I didn't want to call it like the women's bathroom,
girls girls room. There's plenty of girls rooms, so I
was like, the powder room. Men can come in the
powder room if they want to, Like, I want to
open this up to everybody. But she just happened to
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be launching a powder so it kind of worked out perfectly.
And I asked her team and they said yes, and
then I went in and I remember I was shaking.
I was so nervous. I've interviewed her before, so this
is you know, you know how it gets y'all like
you You're like, they're here, they're in the floor. I
want to do a great job, and you want them
to be happy. That's where I come from. I don't
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want them to be like, this girl's weird.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
What are these questions?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
God?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to answer this.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
I want them to feel comfortable, and I want them,
like not to like me, but I want them to
enjoy the experience. Selena was great. She was absolutely lovely.
She was totally down and we just we talked about.
It was a five minute interview, which you're you know,
you guys, know, what can you really get out of
five minutes?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
But she gave me some really good more souls, which
I was really really excited about. Yeah, that's super cool.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
All right, y'all. It is the end of the week.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It is time to pop off on some of the
biggest moments in pop culture from the week.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Kirby, what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Okay, there's major, major beauty news this week. May am
I to not share beauty news. If I said the
name Blake Brown Beauty, does that ring any bells for you?
It probably will for you too, because you're in it.
But no, it does because I saw your video. Oh okay, Okay,
so I'm gonna be quiet.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, Blake Brown, the name Blake Brown, I don't know it.
I don't know the name Blake Brown.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Okay, So what if I told you that was Blake
Lively's new haircare brand that is launching next week nationwide
in Target stores.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Eight products, shampoos, a styling product, a moose hair masks.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No conditioner, interesting nosier? No conditioner? Why is that for
curly girls?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
No?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
The ethos of this brand, essentially is that you don't
use conditioner, you use the Leven masks that they offer
to repair the hair.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
This is a trend, though I've heard this. Actually, a
girl just told me she has curly hair. I'm trying
to work out my curls and she said, no conditioner,
just use this mask.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, how's a curly girl. I don't know about this
no conditioner thing. I'm I'm optical because we need if
you have natural hair, like you need conditioner, you need moisture.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So they're saying that these Levin masks that they're providing,
these giant vats of them, that's what you should use.
So pick a mask that's meant to repair the hair
versus just a typical conditioner, which we are kind of,
to Danielle's point, seeing a little bit more of, especially
with the rise of K eighteen being like a repairative
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mask that you just leave in and get.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
The only masks that I've used that's worked for me,
and I've tried all of the.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Same K eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh my god, it's very overpriced and it is so good.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
It is so good and it actually works, yeah, better
than anything else out there.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I love a new beauty discovery.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Well, speaking of hair, there is this I don't even
I can't even say it. There is this new trend
on TikTok called the octopus eyebrow. It has more than
twelve million views, a million likes. It's everywhere. It's one
of those dumb trends that you were talking about. It
get you spelled out.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I know, I know. I don't like saying dumb. I
don't know why.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Yeah, I understand, do you know what I mean? Yeah,
it feels very It feels like worse than a curse
words to me.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I'm like, like, nothing's dumb. I think this is dumb.
Tell the listeners what the octopus eyebrow is.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We'll let them judge. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, So people are doing this.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
You split your eyebrow hairs down the middle with a
very thick wax or palmade maybe from Anastasia Beverly Hills,
and you curl your brow hairs look like little octopus
legs up and down.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That's the part, the up and down. So some of
them are going down, some of them are going up.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It is truly, uh, you know, the fear of holes
like that is the fear that this gives me incites
in me. It doesn't look natural because you're literally parting
your hair your brow hairs in a way that's just
truly the most unnatural. Well.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Refinery twenty nine kind of posted it as this avant
garde model editorial.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Look, I'm sorry, nobody except literally a model in a
magazine for a photo, is doing this to look good.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
The only reason this is happening is because it will
get you views on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Someone should demonstrate.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think someone should demonstrate it to be.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I don't have the products you have beautiful fluffy brows.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I have a meeting.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I can't have a bad information because I was promised
that someone was going to demonstrate this trend today.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
I I considered it, but I did not have the
right product than your I was told, hey, if you
have this stuff, can you bring it? And I was
like yeah. Then I looked in my stash. I did
not have any of the things.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
So I don't I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I was not really into having Calamari browse today, so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I actually like that name better. Yeah me too, It's better.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be
right back. Don't go anywhere. We're back to popping off
with Kirby Johnson.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Okay, how important is mental clarity do you guys? Very
like sale of one to ten ten.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I don't think I'm I'm mentally clear ever, but it
is important.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
It's really high. Okay, how about you, Simon? Yeah, very
important one through ten ten. Wow, so both of you
are ten. So you're saying you're willing to do absolutely
anything for mental clarity.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, you asked me how much.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I prioritize it. I do prioritize it, but there are limits.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Oh of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, I want to see if you would go this far?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
R and B singer Maya from.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's the Iconic Anthem from Mulanderge.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
The Iconic R and B singer Maya just last week
revealed that she's been quote celibate for seven years.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Good for her.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
She said it during her appearance on the Way Up
with Angela Yee, saying that the practice of celibacy has
brought her more mental clarity and shifted her mindset, and
she talked about how she felt like there was always
this rush to be in a relationship, to have a man,
to have babies. There's a lot of pressure for women
in particular. I definitely feel that do you feel it, yes, yes,
(20:27):
right now? Feeling it me too. So it let her
take a step back and refocus. And here's the thing
that's interesting to me. She's not alone Lenny Kravitz, Julia Fox,
all celebrities that have come out recently calling it this
spiritual thing. The one thing I will say about this
is that I'm confused between celibacy and abstinence because I
(20:51):
think celibacy has a religious connotation. So I'm not sure
if it's abstinence or celibacy. But either way, they're not
having sex. Okay, that's because perhaps it's my Texas roots.
But abstinence has a religious connotation for me. Yes, interesting
because it was you are abstinate until marriage.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That was what I was taught growing up. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I always think of abstinence as the period before you
have sex yep. And then celibacy is when you after
take a conscious pause.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Maybe it's both, maybe they're both kind of religious in
a way. But although celibacy so many, so many women
are choosing themselves versus having sex and being in a
relationship or not being in relationship and having sex, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Men, women.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
I think it's it's something that we're seeing a lot
more of and people are being a lot more vocal
about it instead of being like, oh, the last time I,
you know, have gotten late or whatever was. It's like
a very active approach to your sex life.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Okay, I'm going to be very honest here. Okay, I
feel less mental clarity. If I am celibate.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It is not for me, So you need you have
a need for speed.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I just feel like a better version of myself not celibate, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
I do think I mean, Simon, I'm curious your thoughts
about this. Do you think that, like, how what percentage
of people do you think are actively celibate right now
in the world? My god, do you think that there
is a large majority of people that are conscientiously thinking
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to themselves, I'm purposefully not having sex. Because what Maya
was saying is that chat GPT Kirby.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Oh please do please.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
I don't have a computer, so you have to do it.
I would love to know, Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
According to a twenty twenty one General Social Survey, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Know how Actually that is.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
But more than a quarter of Americans over eighteen haven't
had sex in the past year.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
But is that a concerted effort, So it's a thirty
year high.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's a trend. It's called a sex recession, which we're
definitely in.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You're totally in one. And it's being driven by younger generations.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Too, jen Z.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But you're saying that they are actively not having sex
on purpose, ye, not like they just have not found
a partner.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Men and women are different.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Men, it's not it's not their choice, and women it
is the choice.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Okay, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that makes sense
to me. Interesting, Yeah, fascinating. I like Maya's mindset and
that her purpose for celibacy is that she's not putting
any time constraints on herself to get married, to have children,
to be in a relationship. She's not depending on another
person for love, safety and needs that she may need
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to have met. Yes, and I think that's a good thing.
I just got out of a very long term relationship and.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
How long eight years?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Damn very long. I would consider it a marriage in
a way. But the last thing on my mind right
now is trying to find another person totally. But then
also in the back of my head, there is this
thing that Maya was talking about, like, Okay, I'm getting
older if I want to get married and have children,
like and I never used to have that, you know,
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ticking clock scenario in my head ever, not.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Even from your Texas parents. No, it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
My Texas parents were amazing and that they never pushed
any of that on me.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And I did go to school in Texas and everybody
got married right after college, so I never having that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I feel very blessed.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But now I'm kind of like, Okay, I gotta maybe
figure this out soon. But I like that Maya is like, no,
by being celibate, I don't even have that's not even
a factor. If it happens, great, but I'm not actively
I'm promising myself I'm going to stay this way until
I'm personally ready to commit.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is the definition of agency.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I I really celebrate this, and I also celebrate
the idea of younger, more impressionable people growing up in
today's world having an example like this just as an
option to say, like, I don't need to be out
there having sex with a lot of people. I don't
know if I don't want to, because look look at
you know, Lenny Kravitz and Maya. I actually think that
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that's really healthy, and I think it aligns with what
we've been talking about, this fact that like younger generations
are less interested in having these like casual hookups, and
also totally gen Z viewers want to see less sex
on screen too, which is interesting in such a big
contrast from the environment that I grew up in in
the nineties and two thousands.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So I actually totally disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I feel that I love I agree with you in
the agency department. I think that's beautiful. Seven years is
a long time to me. That signals like something deeper
is going on, because relationships, regardless of what they are,
are like at the core of what it means to
be a human being. And I think the sex recession
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actually speaks to something deeper and worse going on in
our society. I think, like young kids don't know how
to relate to one another, and they don't realize how
important real intimacy is, not just like you know, going
out and having sex with whoever, but intimacy.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Is really important.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
And I really there's this great story it was in
the New York Times years ago of this woman who
got divorced and moved to India, went to an astrom
lived there, ended up living there for twenty years and
did a ton of work on herself, and at.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
The end of her time, she went to.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Like the Master, the bood, I don't know, like what
the phrase is, the Guru and said it's time for
me to leave. And he said, well, why I've been
waiting for you to come here and tell me that,
And she said, because I've done all I can.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Do on my own.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
In order to evolve to the next level, I need
a mirror. And romantic relationships provide that mirror for you,
like they stretch you in a way that nothing else can.
And I feel like we shouldn't be poop pooing that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I I agree with you on a lot of points.
I do think there is an intimacy issue in twenty
twenty four, for sure, and there's there's a lot of
reasons for that, you know, lack of interpersonal skills, right,
the pandemic anxiety.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
There are so many elements to that.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
And I also love that story about the woman because
I think about that a lot. Where I used to
be like, I'm fine, I'm misindependent, I'm good. I don't
need a man. I don't even in my relationship. I
was like, I'm so independent, I don't need you to
do anything for me. And then slowly but surely you realize, no,
you want the mirror. You want somebody to be there
(27:43):
for you, to be a safe place for you that
you where you can break down or you can you know,
celebrate your wins and feel.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Good about it. So I see both sides.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
But someone, I really loved what you said about agency
because growing up, who did we have Britney Spears telling
people she was waiting until she was gonna get married
and yeah, and then you know, we know how those go.
So I actually like this where it's like I'm a
grown adult and I'm making this active decision and that's
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okay for people to look up to, versus trying to
put upon impressionable teenagers like what they should or shouldn't
be doing.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, all right, we're going to take a hard left
turn here from celibacy to cheating okay, tanks, okay, okay.
So we came across this article in the cut with
the headline this is a. This is a bomb drop
right here. Is cheating okay if you end up with
the love of your life?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Oh my god, I love Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Let's hear the details.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
So this article says there is one exception to cheating,
and that's if and only if it leads you to
finding the love of your life. And the writer comes
with case studies. She's got the receipts. She points to
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. Wait, what whom he fell
for on the set of a movie while he was
still married to his college sweetheart?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Not America's Tom.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Okay, I actually did there so many hit and Angelina
more allegedly Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Allegedly Alicia Keys and Swiss beats Ma Shonda. Yes, also
just to take a trip over the pond for a moment.
Prince Charles and Queen Camilla marriage was a culmination of,
obviously this decades long love affair between the two.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So this is the big question of the day that
we were going to end on. Lady Wow, is it
okay to cheat if you find the love of your life?
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Kirby we the f.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Actually the Prince Charles and Camilla comparison are example. I
was telling my mom, because my mom is a diehard
Royals fan, she's like Camilla.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Like. Growing up, Camilla was not it. She was not
the girl. She was the side chick. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Then as I've gotten older and have you know, educated
myself on the Royal family and all of that shananery,
I realized they should have been together from the jump.
Prince Charles and Camilla should have been together from the jump.
It is so unfortunate that Diana got dragged into that mess.
And that is not her fault. That is Prince Charles's fault.
That is the family's fault. But he's still kicking it
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with Camilla. And I think about this all the time.
And granted, if I had been cheated on, maybe I
would think differently about this. I would probably the emotions
of being cheated on would probably take over versus what
I'm about to say. But if they do, I think
about I'm not even kidding you, I think about this
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at least once a week. If you end up with
the person you're supposed to actually be with, then you.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Weren't supposed to be with that first person anyways.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
And that and that person wasn't supposed to be with you.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Wait, so I want to I just want to make
sure I understand. Please, both of you feel like it's
not okay if you don't end up with the person,
but it's all okay if you do end up with
that person.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, And unfortunately there's no way to know if it
is the right person, so there's going to be some
collateral damage.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
To say I do not condone cheating, and I also
think that in some cases it can lead you to
being with the person that you were meant to be with.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
That's nuance, and that's what we love to see here.
That's what we do here on the right side base
its nuance.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
I also think there's a difference between being a serial
cheater with randoms and not being able to be loyal
to your partner when you go out at night, you know,
with your friends, versus meeting someone and falling deeply in
love with them and realizing this is actually the person
I'm supposed to be with.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
So my take on it is that Esther Perel says
that cheating is the only thing that is universally practiced
and universally condemned, and I agree with her. I also
think this is actually part of feminism that we haven't
totally discussed and uncovered yet in our society because it's
so taboo.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
No one wants to talk.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
About cheating, okay, because nobody wants like the lights on them, right,
Nobody wants to be thought of as a cheater cheating.
In many ways, the accusation always goes to the woman.
Even I said die chick earlier. That's a terrible term.
There's no term for a side man, right. I don't
like the idea of cheating. I've been cheated on. When
(32:30):
I was twenty four, I cheated on my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's part of life. I think. I don't want to
do it. I don't want to be in a marriage
where I do it.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I've made that decision, But you can't control other people
teach their own. Yeah, Kirby, Okay, before you leave us today,
I feel like we'd be remiss not to ask you
because you're just such a wealth of knowledge. What's a
beauty tip that your mama touched you all the way
from Texas that you want to share with us?
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Oh my, oh, so my mom was a cosmatologist growing up,
So I had a lot of beauty tips. But one
thing I it's not necessarily tip, but she would always
pick me up when I was little, put me, stand
me on the counter, and make me look in the mirror,
and she would say, who is that pretty girl? And
I know, now, you're not supposed to, like tell kids
that they're pretty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You're supposed to be like you're so intelligent or whatever.
You're neutrally and physically attractive.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Yeah, but I think that lately I've actually been looking
in the mirror, PA like, girl, you look good, Like
you are doing good.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You're doing the right things.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
You are surrounding yourself with the right people. You are
doing some things right. And maybe something's wrong, but it's
going to be okay. So I think that's probably the
best thing that she ever did for me, is as
telling myself to telling me it's okay to.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Talk to yourself. Who's that pretty girl in the mirror?
Who is that pretty girl in the mirror? I love that. Kirby,
thank you so much for popping off with us. I
adore you both. Thank you so much. This is so funny.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Kirby Johnson is a producer, reporter and co host of
the beloved Beauty podcast Los Angeles. Follow her on social
at Kirby Johnson to check out her latest project, The
powder Room. We have to take a quick break. Stick
with us. Welcome back, Simone. We're kicking off something new today.
(34:27):
It's called What's in Your Cart? Sponsored by Walmart. So
each Friday, we're shouting out either a favorite product that
is a staple of ours or something new that we'd
love to try.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, Danielle, you're on a desert island. You're stranded. You
can only take one makeup product with you. What's it
going to be?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
You know what I'm about to say.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
My favorite mascara of all time is well documented on
this show. It is the Lareel Paris Waterproof mascara in black.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Tried and true makeup girly class. I've probably been using
it for like fifteen years and I never stray. I
never cheat on her because Lareel Paris Waterproof mescaren black
is my girl. Because I hate when mascara gets all
clumpy and my eyes stick together. This is not that
you're gonna get that clean finish every single time. And
with the weather being extremely hot this summer, one hundred
(35:20):
plus degrees outside. I am not here for a smudging
or running down my face moment, right. I need it
to last until we're done with the podcast every single day,
you know, like I don't need to look down at
myself at five pm and say where did my eyelashes go?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But I also want that voluminous lash.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And you know what's funny, Simone, Unlike you, I have cheated,
I've strayed, I've tried all the designer mascara's, and I
always come back to this, loriel One. So that's it
for today's show, thanks to our partners at Walmart.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
On Monday, Golden Globe.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Winning actress and singer Kayala Settle is gearing up for
the release of Wicked, and she's stopping by to discuss
what success means to her now. The bright Side is
a production of Hello, Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts, and is
executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Production by Arcana Audio. Courtney Gilbert is our associate producer.
Jessica Wank is our producer. Our senior producers are Janis Yamoka,
Itzsi Kintania and Amy Padula.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Our engineer is PJ. Shahamat.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruzika. Arcana's
head of production is Matt Schultz.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Natalie Tulup and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for
Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is
the executive producer. For iHeart Podcasts, Tim Palazzola is our showrunner.
This week's episodes were recorded by Graham Gibson, Carl Catel,
Jessica Crinchitch, and Bahied Fraser.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Our theme song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Lighthauser special thanks to Connell Burn and Will Pearson. Listen
and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I'm Simone Voice.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You can find me at simone Voice on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
That's r O b A. Y See you Monday. Keep
looking on the bright side, y'all.
Host
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