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June 28, 2024 27 mins

Danny Cunningham of 92.3 The Fan and Locked On Cavs joins Justin to discuss the hiring of Kenny Atkinson. Breaking down what to expect in terms of changes and adjustments to how the Cavs approach the season under Atkinson. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, what's going on. It's justin here, just giving
you a heads up that this episode will end a
little bit abruptly.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I recorded earlier.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
This week with Danny Cunningham to discuss the hiring of
Kenny Atkinson and do a little bit of a draft preview. Obviously,
the draft has now occurred, but it is Friday and
the hiring of Kenny Atkinson is now official, so I
trimmed off the back half of this podcast. Still wanted
to get the conversation with Danny out there. You know,
sometimes we gamble in terms of when things are going

(00:29):
to be announced.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today we bet wrong.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
But I hope you guys still enjoy this episode, and
Carter and I will be podcasting later today to discuss
the Calves draft pick of Jalen Tyson and how he
fits with the Calves. So we will be talking to
you guys shortly and for now, I hope you guys
enjoy this conversation with Danny Cunningham.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
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(01:14):
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Carter Rodriguez is away on a work trip, so joining
me today filling and I am thrilled. Dude, welcome back
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(01:36):
to three, to the fan and locked on Calves as
of a few weeks ago. Danny Cunningham. Danny, welcome back
to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm well man, Thanks for having me, really appreciate it.
Thrilled to be down.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Here, super super excited to have you on here. As
I mentioned, the Cleveland Cavaliers have hired Kenny Atkinson as
head coach. Not a big surprise given he was you
know when the dismissal of JB. Bickerstown was initially announced.
Kenny Atkinson was kind of named that front runner at
the start of the process, back and forth between he
and James Barrego. Sounds like Mike and Norri was also

(02:09):
one of the finalists for this Cavez position. But we
do have a coach in Kenny Atkinson, Danny, When the
news came down, what was kind of.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Your first reaction?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
So I liked it. I initially I really liked Kenny
Atkinson as a candidate here, and I think, actually, this
is kind of funny just because so many Cavs fans,
whether they know it or not, have watched a lot
of Kenny Atkinson coach teams. Think back to when the
Calves owned the Brooklyn Nets pick. I don't want to
think he turned out, but it's the pick that ultimately

(02:40):
turned into Colin Sexton. So you were watching, you were
rooting against Kenny Atkinson. Oh yeah, you were watching a
lot of Brooklyn That's team. So you're actually a little
bit more familiar with him as a coach than you thought.
But I really like what he built in Brooklyn. I
know those teams didn't you know, didn't reach the levels
that they had envisioned. Once Kevin Duranton Irving got there.

(03:01):
I don't necessarily think Kenny Atkinson is entirely to blame
for that. I think there was a lot of stuff
that was out of his control that sort of submarined
that situation. I think he's a really bright guy. You know,
you can't find anyone in the NBA that's gonna say
bad things about Kenney Atkinson. Everything I hear say is
that he's a super hard worker. He's very diligent, He's

(03:21):
very creative, which is something that I think will be
really good for the Calves. So overall, as soon as
this news was announced, I really liked the move. It
was one that I thought was a good move. I
thought it was one of the better hires of the
Calves could have made in this situation.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, I've talked about it in the past.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm risk adverse, like I wanted someone with head coach
experience because this is a Calves team that does have expectations.
And you know, when it came down to both he
and James Barrego, I think, you know, we started this
process by me saying I don't have you know, any
strong takes. That's not changing now, you know, my preference
to have a coach that has experience basically comes down

(03:59):
to you know, it really is a roll of dice
when you see first time head coaches, right like, even
kind of hot candidates, we've seen a few of them
not even survived their first year in situations with the expectations,
whether that be you know, b Orkmund in Indiana. Adrian
Griffin obviously was pretty high profile this year. So having
a coach with some head coach experience was big for me.

(04:21):
But you know, as the process was going on, I
was kind of leaning James Barrego just because there wasn't
you know, that kind of history of all right, he
did really good in a developmental situation, and then you know,
the stars came in right Kyrie k D And then
it just wasn't a mesh.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Although as you.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Mentioned, that was such a weird situation where you know,
Steve Nash I kind of wish that he had a
different opportunity for his first head coaching job as a Canadian.
But the fact that you know, as he comes in,
Kyrie's sentiment is we don't need a head coach like
that kind of shows you exactly what the mentality was
there and you know, for me, I think, you know,

(05:01):
I think in life, I've mentioned this a few times
before because I feel like it's a theme from the season.
You learn more from your failures than you do your successes.
And I don't even want to call the Brooklyn since
of failure, but I think for Kenny Atkinson to go
through the process of you know, being a first time
head coach, getting Brooklyn to the stage that they were
getting valuable experience under Taylou as a Clippers assistant, and

(05:24):
then winning a championship as an assistant with Golden State,
I think your observations as an assistant coach as part
of a championship run are going to come through a
different lens if you've been a head coach before, because
then you can really like, you know how much preparation
goes into it, You know exactly what level of personality
management you're doing. That Warriors team, you know, as much

(05:47):
as they gel together, they have had their like, they
haven't had an absence of, you know, strong personalities and
stuff that needs to You've always been smooth sailing there
not always Yeah, So I just feel like, you know,
that's a very you know, good experience to have in
a head coach, and for that reason, you know, I
am excited about this hire. It's still you know, anytime

(06:09):
you make a change like this, it's risky. Uh, you'd
never know what successes are going to translate and which
ones aren't. But I think the process of sound And
I don't know about you, but do you feel better
because of how long this process took.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
I'm sort of indifferent to the length of the process
because I think that the guys they had at the end,
the finalists are I don't think they there was a
bad choice there. I'm with you where I think it
was wise to go with a guy that had been
a head coach in the NBA before. So maybe that
put both Barrego and Atkinson for me ahead of Mike
and Norriy just because you know, his head coaching experience

(06:45):
in the NBA is standing on the sidelines while Chris
Finch was coaching from behind the bench after he had
a knee injury in the playoffs. So that was, like you,
that was one of my separators. Brego and Atkinson for
me were the two guys that I thought were above
everybody else from the start. You know, those were the
names that first came out. Those were the guys who
I just I think fit as well as, if not

(07:08):
better than any other candidates that were rumored to be
involved here, I will say, and I'm curious your take
about this too. I am almost as intrigued by Kenny's
experience as an assistant over the last four years as
I am his tenure in Brooklyn, because it's easy to
go and look at Brooklyn and that experience what he

(07:29):
was like as a head coach, because you can directly
tie the results of that team to the head coach,
like that's just a much easier thing to do. But
with who he has learned from in the past four years,
that is something that I think you're not going to
know exactly what the results of that are until he
is a head coach, until he is coaching games for
the Calves this upcoming fall. But I think that that stint,

(07:53):
those stints in LA and Golden State will be something
that we see paid dividends for the Calves.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I'm very trigued about that as well. One of the
things I mentioned that I would like to see with
this coaching change is an increase in structure, you know,
just a real kind of understanding of where everybody needs
to be on the court, because I felt when the
Cavs ran their stuff the last couple of years, I
felt like the sets were good. I liked the you know,
the two three man actions that they ran, but too frequently,

(08:21):
you know, guys on the weak side aren't being involved,
like there is no secondary action or I don't know
if it was you know, a lack of buy and
a confusion over what they're supposed to be doing or
whatever the case was. But it just felt like, you know,
sometimes that structure would break down, and I felt like
that was one of the biggest issues offensively, rather than
you know, the quality of the sets when they did

(08:42):
run them. And you look at what he did in Brooklyn,
and you know a similarity with both he and Burrego
that I liked with both was they ran offenses that
were very structured, that featured multiple ball handlers, a lot
of different guys that can initiate you know, real equal
opportunity of offenses where there isn't a lot of trying

(09:02):
to you know, break guys down with a dribble. I
think that that's a very good fit for the Cavs.
But then when you look at Kenny Atkinson. You go
from that type of structure with a developmental situation to
one where stars are being used at a high level. Right, Okay,
we got, you know, a reclamation project and Andrew Wiggins.
Let's implement this talent into the system and kind of

(09:23):
give him the support that he needs to be one
of the most important players in the championship run. And
you know, obviously Steph Curry, Draymond Green, the system that
they have implementing Klay Thompson off ball, using rim running centers.
I just feel like there's a lot of kind of
similarities between the type of personnel that they have. And
you know, another thing with Golden State too is whether

(09:44):
it be Andre Goodalo or some of the other kind
of perimeter playmakers that they had, they'd have two three
guys on the court that weren't necessarily you know, knockdown shooters, Igodala,
Draymond Loony, whoever they might be. But they still manage
to find space because of the movement, because everybody understanding
where they need to be. And I think that's going
to be really important regardless of how the Calves build

(10:07):
this team out.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I do wonder how much that can be replicated, because,
you know, I'm not sure that there's a situation where
the Calves are going to have a majority of their
minutes with five just knockdown shooters from the outside on
the floor. Like, I just don't think that's in the
cards with the way this trash is constructed right now.
And that's fine, that's not what you need in the NBA.
But I do wonder because the Calves also don't have

(10:31):
somebody who has the same gravity that Steph Curry has
on the outside. You know, I think Donovan Michel's awesome,
and you're not going to find very many people that
believe more in him as a basketball player than I do.
But he's a very different type of basketball player than
Steph Crave. So I do wonder how that and just
how their attributes as basketball players can can change the

(10:56):
way things look offensively. I do wonder how that looks.
I think that's a very fair thing. The other thing
that I'm really interested in I can't wait to ask
Kenny about this, but the two Constants when he was
in Brooklyn as a head coach, with their offenses were
a lot of three pointers. I believe they were top
five in three point attempts every year that he was

(11:17):
in charge there, and also they played a lot faster
than the Calves did. Their pace was much higher in
terms of just where it stood in the league. In
three of the four years they were in the top ten.
The fourth year they were eleventh. The Calves for the
last several years have been a pretty slow team. I
don't think pace is necessarily good or bad. I think
it's just sort of a what do you prefer, what
does your roster construction prefer. I do think that this

(11:40):
Calves roster as constituted, is one that leans towards playing slow,
just because it's hard to play fast when you've got
two bigs out there. But I do wonder if he
wants to kick that up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'm very curious about that too.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Way, And just to touch on, you know, using an
offense with you know, non necessarily knocked down shooters at
every position is and still finding a way of fine space.
Like even if the Cavs were to move on from
the two bigs as an example, you're still going to
potentially have you know, perimeter ball handlers that aren't as
confidence shooters like You're going to still try to make
some compromises with team building based on the best talent

(12:12):
that's available to you, and I'm just interested to see
how they're able to do that. But I think whether
it's pace, whether it's spacing, whether it's any kind of
basketball philosophy, my question is always how much impact a
coach has on that rather than the personnel he's dealing with, right,
because you look at both Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell,

(12:33):
those guys are your floor generals, right.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
They are the.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Ones that are going to be dictating kind of how
the offense is going to operate. Often, they're going to
be the ones calling place and both of them historically
have liked to play slow, and I am going to
be really interested to see how much adaptation there is
to a different style of play, because I agree that
I think, you know, whether it's the two bigs on

(12:55):
the court or two guards that like playing at kind
of a slow down pace, this roster is kind of
geared towards playing a little bit more deliberately. And you know,
one of the interesting things that I found with that
run where the Cavs went without Garland and Mobiley, even
though the pace actually decreased, they played slower. I thought

(13:16):
that the offensive sets were ran a little bit more decisively,
like when someone.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Had the opportunity to shoot.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
There was less second guessing, there was less putting the
ball on the floor, and you know, it almost felt
faster even though they slowed down. And I just wonder
if there's some sort of spot in the middle that
they can find. But where do you kind of fall
on that on how much impact a coach has on
the style of a team versus the personnel itself.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I obviously I think it's a mix. I do and
everything coaching wise, rusher construction wise, is a mix. But no,
I think it would have been possible for the Cavs
last year if they wanted to play faster than they did.
I think that'll probably be the case with Kenny, just
given his history and the other thing with I think

(14:01):
there's some low hanging fruit with Havan Mobley too, Like
I think if they play faster, particularly when he's on
the floor and Jarrett Allen's not on the floor, that's
probably how you're maximizing him just a little bit more
than they have on that end of the floor. And
I think that's something that this coaching staff will see
I think the coaching staff is going to have a
big part in shaping the style of play, right, but

(14:22):
you can only create so much with what you're given,
Like you have to use the tools that are in
your toolbox. You know, it doesn't make sense to go
out and build something that makes that doesn't work with
your roster. So I think it's a pretty strong mix.
I do. I think the coach will have an input,
But ultimately, I don't think that Kennedy Atkinson was hired
to force a system onto guys that that system doesn't

(14:45):
work for, Like, that wouldn't make sense, that wouldn't be
good higher And I don't think that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, And my preference when it comes to coaching has
always been kind of guys that are able to adapt
what they do to maximize the personnel that's available to them,
rather than guys that have a rigid system and we
gotta shake up this roster to fit exactly how I'm
going to coach. Like I think when you look at Popovich,
when you look at Spolstra, those guys have made a
lot of different changes to how they approach offense, how

(15:11):
they approach defense based on the personnel that's available to them,
and I feel like Kenny Atkinson is that type of coach,
And you know, I do think there is an ability
for this team to get out and to play at
a higher pace because you look at, you know, the
cleaning glass numbers for transition frequency. The last couple of years,
they've been above average in terms of how often they

(15:32):
run in transition. But the fact that they are still
so low in paced despite being a high transition team,
that just goes to show how much time is kind
of being wasted in the half quarter or how you know,
long it takes for things to develop. And I've consistently
felt like when you look at the crunch time issues
over the last couple of years, so much of that

(15:52):
has come down to how late in the shot clock
they are initiating offense and not being able to get
to a second and third read. And I feel like
when you do that, you just increase the burden on
whoever the primary ball handler is, whether that's Darius Garland
or Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right, I mean, over the last couple of years, how
often did it feel like the Cavs weren't getting into
their initial offensive set or whatever they wanted to run,
so there's like ten seconds left on the shot clock.
Like there would be times where the ball would get
walked across half court, it wouldn't get across half court
until seventeen on the shot clock around there, seventeen sixteen,
and then you're trying to get things in order. You're

(16:29):
not really starting to run stuff until there's like ten, nine,
eight seconds left, and by then you've basically had one opportunity.
You don't have time to get to that second third
read like you said, I think that has been one
of my biggest gripes with the offense the last couple
of years is that they just they don't you don't
ever want to be in a hurry, but they have
to move quicker than they've moved. If they could start

(16:50):
play with urgent sets, yeah, be more urgent. That's a
great way to say it. If they could start these
sets with I don't know, seventeen seconds left on the
shot clock instead of ten seconds left on the shot clock.
No one's asking them to turn into the seven seconds
or less suns, but a little more pace I think
would go a long way, not just in maximizing certain

(17:10):
guys offensively, but just maximizing the offense as a whole.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, to show you how big of dorks Carter and
I are. When we were watching games one and two
against Orlando, we are tapping each other every time I
play with it initiate with like seventeen or eighteen seconds
on the shot clock.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
We're like, ooh, good temple, good Temple. We're dorks. It's awful.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
But I mean it's true, like it's something that has
absolutely been worth watching. And the other aspect of this
that doesn't get talked about. It's a lot easier for
an NBA defense to defend for twelve seconds than it
is to defend for seventeen seconds. Five seconds might not
sound like a lot, like I could take a pause
for five seconds and just stop talking and you'd be like, hmm,

(17:50):
that was weird, But it's really not a big deal.
But when you're asking these high level athletes to defend
other world class, high level athletes for that long, it
can be a really big deal. That can make a
difference in games.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, because when you look at the complexity of modern
NBA offenses and just how much talent there is out there,
you can't guard everybody like I think That's why when
you look at, you know, how many open threes a
team gives up in a game, there's nobody that gives
up fewer than fourteen a night. Like the Boston Celtics
allow twenty two open threes a game, right like, And

(18:25):
that's because of you know how many the second and
third actions that these teams are getting into. And I
think the more time you give yourself, the more time
there is for the offense to generate an advantage and
create a clean look for somebody else. And you know,
I still think that a large part of that responsibility

(18:46):
goes on the players. I always start with Darius Garland
as the team's point guard. He needs to up the pace.
Donov Mitchell needs to do the same thing as I mentioned.
When Darius was.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Out, they actually played slower. I believe the pace with
Darius on.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Court prior to the jaw injury was actually positive, But
there was still times during that stretch where a game
comes down to crunch time and he dribbles the ball
too long.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And they initiate too late.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And you know, I think what you're hoping for is
a CAAs fan, is that the players learn from the
you know, coming up short from making life more difficult
on themselves and that a new voice comes in at
the right time and things just kind of mesh because
I do think so much of that responsibility comes down
to the players. But we've talked about, you know, kind

(19:32):
of what we're hoping to see and you know changes
that might be there. Is there an expectation that you
have that you think bringing Kenny Atkinson in, I know
what we're doing guesswork here, but is there something that
you feel confident will change under Kenny Atkinson?

Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I do think they'll play faster than they have.
You know, I don't think that they're going to turn
into a team that plays at a breakneck pace. I
don't think it makes sense for them to turn into that.
But I don't think that they're going to be a
team that's bottom five in the NBA and pace I don't.
I think that they will play faster. I think they
will road towards the middle of the pack. I think
they'll get into their offensive sets much sooner. I think

(20:09):
they will shoot a lot of three pointers. A number
to watch is Evan Mobley's three point attempts per game.
I think that is a number to watch. He shot
and I think it was right around thirty seven percent
from three last year, but it didn't feel that impactful
because he's taking like one a game to a game.
I think if that number gets up to four and
he can still shoot at that clip, it's going to

(20:32):
change the equation for the Cavs offense so much. I
think it's going to be a big point of emphasis
for Kenny Atkins and to make him be a shooter.
Even if they're not going in. Even if it dips
from thirty seven percent to thirty three or thirty two percent,
those added attempts could be pretty beneficial to the Cavs offensively.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
What about you, Yeah, I think that that is a
great place to start because when you look at the
history of Kenny Atkinson, empowering guys to be shooters has
been a big part of the story, you know, whether
that's Brook Lopez. There were some reports that he was
trying to do that with Jared Allen and get him
to shoot some more threes. I believe Al Horford's part
of that mix too. Like, I think that that is

(21:13):
one of the things that I'm kind of interested to
see because especially if both bigs are going to be back.
One of them is going to need to be a
stretch big. One of them is going to need to
take those shots to give themselves the best chance to
make that a consistent offense that can translate from the
regular season to the postseason. And I as much as

(21:34):
you know Jared shoots well from the free throw line
and has shown some touch there, I really do think
that it comes down to Van Mobile.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't think a coach magically is going to turn
guys into shooters.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't think he's going.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
To stand there and tap Evan on the shoulder and
be like, hey, big guy, these shots are supposed to
go in from here, and then all of a sudden,
Evan's like, ah, eureka, I just I hadn't thought about that.
But I do think, you know, empowering guys to take
those shots, staying on them right, like holding guys accountable.
And I think when the coach is holding guys accountable

(22:07):
and everyone has a defined role and an expectation of all, right,
this is what you're supposed to bring on a nightly basis,
this is what we're counting on, and this is you know,
this is the twenty percent of your game that we're
going to let you play around a little bit with,
We're going to let you stretch your wings on the court,
We're going to prioritize some of these reps for development.
That balance is going to be so fascinating for me

(22:28):
because it's to me, it's the central struggle when you
talk about this Cavs team of guys that are ready
to compete now and young guys that could benefit from
developmental reps but also do kind of help you win
now and finding that balance between we're trying to win
games or trying to get as high as scening as possible.
We're trying to have home court for as long as
possible with those developmental reps that can sometimes cost you

(22:51):
a game potentially, that bounce, to me, is going to
be fascinating.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, it absolutely will be. And I one of the
things that I've been mentioning over the last several days,
maybe the last week or so, is that whoever and
now we obviously know it is Kenny, but before we
didn't know who the Caves were going to hire, it
was whoever the Calves are going to hire, Like just
because the Calves are in a winning situation to where
you know they are a team that if they're all healthy,

(23:17):
I sort of think the floor is it should be
like fifty wins if everyone's healthy. If it's not a
year like this past season where so many guys were
in an out of lineup all the time and you're
starting five only played twenty eight games together, I think
their floors right around fifty wins, like they should be
a home court team in the Eastern Conference every year.
But that doesn't mean you're not developing guys. Like you

(23:38):
cannot look at this roster and tell me that Darius
Garland is a finished product. I don't believe that he is.
I think there is. Garland is a guy that if
I could buy stock in right now, I would because
I think he's going to have a bounce back here.
You can't look at Evan Mobley and say that guy's
done getting better. Like there, I think is so much
that has not been keapped into with Evan yet. And
I think that's why player development for this, for Kenny

(24:01):
and Atkinson, for this situation is still so important because
you are still developing guys, and particularly there, you're developing
two pretty important guys. You know, I don't know how
much more player development Donovan Mitchell has or Jared Allen has.
Those guys are further along in their career. But you've
got two pretty important pieces that are still trending up.
So getting the most out of them, I think really

(24:21):
is going to be what tells you the most out
of this next era of Cavs basketball.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, And like I said, there's always an element of risk, right,
Like we know that this has been a very good
defensive team. The reputation of Kenny Atkinson on the defensive end,
he is still strong. Like when I talk to Warriors
people about him, because I was asking some questions, I'm like, hey,
like this didn't work out with the stars in Brooklyn,
Like what what have you heard around Golden State? Everything
was no no complaints at all. Gave him a lot

(24:48):
of credit for the you know, the defense and that
title run.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know that. You know he's a great coach. No,
as you said, nobody.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Says anything bad to say about him, but you just
you never know how you can't. I always think it's
disrespectful to the coach that's on the way out to
just assume everything they did well is going to stay
there without them. And now we're just going to add
to it. It's going to be a give and take
right like, we'll see what that balances. And we're going
to see how Kenny Atkinson connects with this roster. Of course,

(25:17):
for me, I hope that he connects as well as
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Speaker 2 (25:35):
Danny. Before I let you out of here, plug what
you got going on? For the people.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
You can find me locked on Cavs five days a
week talking about this basketball team each and every weekday,
sometimes on weekends as well. I fill in from time
to time at ninety two three to the fan here
locally in Cleveland, and I you know, write at Cleveland Magazine.
Cleveland Magazine dot com is where you can find me there.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Thank you so much for coming on. I could not
do what you do podcasting, soul. I just I don't
have the brain capacity. I ramble on too long as
it is. That's not a platform that I need, so
full credit to you that is. I don't think people
understand how difficult that is and the amount of preparation
that goes into making it sound as good as you
make it sound. So full credit to you, Danny. Great

(26:18):
to have you on. I hope you're keeping well, and
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