The Streak Continues vs Brooklyn

Justin and Carter discuss the Cleveland Cavaliers latest comeback win over the Brooklyn Nets. Diving into their clutch stats for this season, and what has driven the improvement this season compared to last year. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:30):
Try for free at FuboTV dot com. Slash Calves. The
Cleveland Cavaliers once again, we're dominant in the clutch, coming
back against the Brooklyn Nets. Another comeback win, Another clutch win,
and the fifteenth win in the row, clinching the Central
Division championship. There or banner, whatever you want to call it.

(00:51):
It feels like a championship in my heart. Anytime you
can put the Milwaukee Bucks in the Chicago Bowls behind you.
Joining me today to discuss that and more my co
host Carter. He gets, Carter, are you doing? I bumbled
your name? That was awful?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fine a nandy brother, Despite that, you know fifteen wins
in a row, second second time this season, the six
team in NBA history to do that, which kind of
stunning by the way that it's happened that many times.
They have now won more than half of the regular
season in win streaks. They have forty two wins worth

(01:28):
of wind streaks, and that is a lot of wins.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
That is an absolutely crazy stat I gotta be honest,
I was a little disappointed last night. I had plans
to go to a concert ended up. You know, my
my avenue, my hookup to get a ticket ended up
not working out for me. Looked at the last minute
tickets three hundred dollars. I'm not spending that. I'm sorry.
I'm not the biggest concert goer, but it was a

(01:59):
little too deep for me. I was like, oh, you know,
the Cats are probably going to blow out the Brooklyn Nets.
Then I saw, oh, Donovan entire arresting. DeAndre Hunter's got
you know, an illness, and he's out. This might be
an interesting game, And you know what, it was a
bit of up and down game. I thought they actually
played pretty well in the first quarter. Brooklyn just you know,

(02:21):
was shooting the lights out. I thought the second quarter
of the effort kind of dropped off a little bit,
the focus had a bit of a fallof but they
once again rallied. They showed that they were able to
you know, put it together when it really mattered and
came away with a win. I had a fun time.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, it was again I think I said this last episode,
but like, I'm not even getting annoyed when they're not
playing well because it's just been that kind of year
where like, even when they're not playing well, I'm still
pretty pleased with what I'm watching. And I thought it
was just one of those games where the shots weren't
going in more than anything. And yeah, and the de

(03:00):
was definitely a little rough to start the game, but
I also think they just had some rough shooting variants.
You know, Zion Williams his first fourth rees, but in
Darius was having another one of those games. And I
think we do kind of have to start with Darius
because you know, he did have kind of a Tale
of two halves sort of game where you know, first

(03:21):
half happens and you go, uh, man, do we have
a problem here, you know, because you know he'd been
shooting like thirty four percent since the hip injury against
the Knicks, and it wasn't getting a lot better, you know,
even in games that they were winning, which is all
of them. Uh, you know, it was a little bit

(03:43):
of mostly rely on, you know, just keeping the engine
going as opposed to taking over. And you know, we
saw ty Jerome take down the takeover one of the
stretches that Donovan sat earlier in this wind streak. We
saw you know, don him in go nuts. We saw
DeAndre Hunter go nuts. We've seen a lot of guys

(04:04):
win games for the Calves and it just hasn't really
mattered that much that Darius hasn't played well. And I was,
you know, we're in the first half and I'm looking
through the roster and looking through the rotation. I go,
it's gonna have to be you, brother, Yeah, And it was.
He scores. He goes absolutely ballistic in the fourth quarter,

(04:25):
scores eighteen points, is finishing at the rim, is hitting threes,
is getting to the line, is diming and completely took
over and finishes with thirty eight and four in four
steals as well. So I don't know, I don't know
if my like my spidy, my angst senses are all

(04:45):
the way wiped away because I still think it's been
hard for him to get going ever since he got hurt.
But it certainly was nice to see.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, he really was nice to see. And you know
that kind of sentiment of well, it's got to be
you tonight. I think that was the exact same thing
that Kenny Atkinson was thinking in that moment. Darius played
over thirty six minutes in this game. It was the
second most minutes he's played all season in the game,
which automatically made me think, how many games did he

(05:17):
have where he played more than that last season? Sixteen
is the answer to that, you know, and we're almost
towards the end of this season and this is the
second most he's played. But you know, that's kind of
going in line with what we've heard, you know, Chris
Fied or Danny Cunny, Hammett and all the wonderful people
on the beat say that Kenny's plan is for down
the stretch, which is we're going to have to have

(05:39):
some nights where these guys do play more minutes. We
got to get their conditioning up and ready for the playoffs,
and you know, being able to trust Darius in that
spot where he doesn't have it going. He's missing shots.
You know, he's not able to find that rhythm offensively,
and for him to step up in that way I
thought was really encouraging. We talked on the last podcast

(05:59):
about how not only was Darius slumping, you know, the
last few games, but Donovan's shooting numbers were really down.
I didn't even realize this until, you know, it was
announced that he was resting, but Ty Jerome over the
last six games had been twenty two of sixty two
from the field. He was in a slump. You know.
I think all of these guards have been in a

(06:21):
little bit of a funk, and that's probably part of
why we've seen this uneven stretch. But with Darius, there's
just that more clean line of when this started. Right,
he had, you know, the first seven games of February's
shooting forty seven forty eight from the field dominant. Looks
like he has has that fall against New York, misses

(06:42):
two games, and then he's been in a bit of
a rut since. And I do think it's worth noting
over that stretch, he's still had productive games. The playmaking's
been good, the assistant turnover ratio has been good. I
feel like the defense has been strong, and even over
those seven games, three of them he's had an above
leaverage true shooting percentage in those games as well, So

(07:03):
it's not like last year where there was no impact
at all. But I do think that it's been a
different version of Darius than what we've seen all season.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I feel like he's been a no doubter or to
me an, all NBA level player all year, and he's
back to being like a pretty good point guard right now,
right right, And there is a difference between those two things.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, you know, above lee average true shooting percentage isn't
the standard that he set for himself this season, right,
It has been a fifty to forty ninety level. So
I do think the most noteworthy difference really has been
he's not getting to the rim and into the paint
at the same rate that he has before. He's had
halfs where he's only taken three pointers. I don't know

(07:48):
if that's. Hey, I'm working my way back from the
hip and I just don't want to over exert myself
or what the deal is, but I thought it was
noteworthy that down the stretch against Brooklyn, he was attacking
he was getting downhill, he was getting into the paint,
you know, finishing at the rim, drawing fouls. Can I
just kick is so funny that we're like, what's wrong

(08:10):
with Darius? All he's doing is shooting when all we
wanted him to do for the last three years was
shoot more. Yeah. Yeah. And you know that goes to
what we said after the Chicago game, which is in
the past, a game like that, we probably would have
interpreted it in a more positive way that hey, you know,
he's taking a lot of shots and he's pressing a

(08:31):
little bit. But I prefer that to fading away into
the background. But the reality is, you know, we have
a higher standard this season. We have a legitimate chance
to go out and win a championship this year. So
you want to find ways to be productive even when
you don't have it going. I don't.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, go ahead, No, I was agreeing with you. Sorry,
I didn't have anything that It was just agreeing being
an active listener.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, that's fine. You know, I think it was
a really really you know, strong performance for him in
the fourth quarter. I do like the fact that he
has remained aggressive kind of through this stretch. My inclination,
whether there is something wrong or not, is hey, it
might be nice time to get him arrest, Like you know,
Donovan and Ty got their night off here. If he

(09:15):
rests first Memphis, that's four days off. But I also
have to acknowledge that some of this is me thinking, well,
there's some avenue to control this. It's not just a
shooting slump, right Like, if we rest them, everything's going
to be fine, right Like, these aren't just the ebbs
and flows of a season, which in reality that might

(09:36):
be it. It might just be, hey, you know, working
your way back, you're a little tired, it's late in
the season, you're not playing for anything. You're going to
be a little more selective of when you attack the
basket and when you're going to exert yourself.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And when you're fatigued, you just don't recover as well, right,
you know, and this is a bad month for that.
I think one of the reasons that me and you
both have our eyes on that, you know, that Memphis
game is a bit centil Rest game is because they're
just in constant, perpetual motion all month where they're not
getting any time just to really sit and recover, you know,

(10:13):
I think this is where the work that these guys
put in their bodies really pays dividends because it helps
them recover a little bit faster, but end of the day,
still hurts to fall on your hip that hard. And
and I think, I just I just I do just
kind of want to see that, you know, a little
bit of an extended run of of like the Darius

(10:37):
we saw, you know, last month, just to kind of
just to kind of remind ourselves. And you know, again,
I always joke that I have the memory of a fish,
and I really do, because it's like you almost every
time something trends the wrong way, I'm like, it's never
going to be good again, and everything. Every time something
is trending the right way, I'm like, we're never going

(10:57):
to lose.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, even within this game, you know, you get the
sentiment of, hey, when he doesn't have it going, he's
not able to pull through. You know, when he's a
little banged up, he doesn't find ways to be effective.
And I think he has found ways to be effective
over the stretch. You know, what he did in the
fourth quarter was very clearly you know, that kind of switch,

(11:19):
and I don't think it was an effort thing before.
But that's you know, that extra little bit of lock in,
dig deep, let's close this out, let's get the win.
And I thought it was interesting that basically that was
a team wide approach. Kenny Atkinson really only played eight
games or eight guys in this game. Javonte Grain got
some run, you know, kind of our first hidden misstretch

(11:40):
of him in his time with the Cavs. He had
that blown dunk attempt, and there was a couple other
times where he went flying and the results were sometimes positive,
sometimes negative. But you know, that's probably a little bit
more closer to reality and what you'd expect. But Kenny
really leaned on the top guys, Darius playing over thirty

(12:01):
six minutes, Helen and Mobley playing thirty four minutes, Isaaco
Coorro played a lot of time here. He really kind of,
you know, with guys out, went with that shorter rotation
rather than putting in someone like a Jalen Tyson.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I thought that was interesting, you know, I mean
because earlier I do think you're right that it was
a byproduct of him trying to get these guys a
little bit more run rather than because my first INSTINCTU was, Oh,
Kenny really wanted to win this. He basically played eight guys,
which he hasn't done all year unless we were down
like six rotation players, right, And the more I thought

(12:38):
about the more it became a little clear to me
that like, oh, well he didn't do this when we
were down like five or six rotation players. Why is that?
And I do think you're right, you know, I don't
know how I feel about it at the end of
the day, Like I probably would have liked to see
a little Jalen Tyson just given him a little bit

(13:00):
of run, but like it, there clearly is a little
method to the madness of like, no, we're gonna try
to win this game. And I do also think this
was the game where maybe the story of the game
kind of told the story of the rotations, where they
were locking down with that starting lineup and he was
going to ride him. I mean, yet another second half

(13:23):
where they just put the clams on. They have a
one o eight defensive rating in the second half in
the last ten games, and it definitely feels like it.
But yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice rotationally,
just to be like no, no, no one knew, We're
just gonna play with the guys that we expect to
play with win games matter. Yeah, and you know that

(13:44):
deficit that they went into was with Darius on the
bench as well, right, Like you look at it on
the night, they were plus twelve with Darius on the court,
team best by a pretty good margin. And you know,
if Kenny's going to pick spots where hey, we want
to get our guys more minutes, we want them to
kind of ramp up a little bit and get ready

(14:04):
for the postseason, picking your one game this month where
you have two days off after is probably a sensible
spot to do that, right, Like, I think that's probably
part of the equation there as well. I'm so selfish
that I was like, man, two days off, and then
I remembered, oh yeah, it's the only time for the

(14:26):
next like thirty days. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Well, and you know, from my perspective, I'm in the
same boat as you. I would have liked to have
another game this week, even if it was a back
to back here afterthing.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Else, just for the podcast.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Its brutal for the podcast, Yeah, because we have the
one game against the Nets, which you know, this isn't
going to be a playoff opponent. For them, and then
two days off until Memphis, which I do find it
interesting that last time we played Memphis, we're like, okay,
this is a test, right like number two seed in
the Western Conference. You know, we we really we got

(14:59):
to kind of anker down here and get this win.
I believe Darius at that game still went out and won,
still beat Memphis. Jaron's not there. It's really kind of
taking some era of the balloon there.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, it's a game they should win now, assuming they're
not sitting a bunch of people. So Memphis fans might
accuse Darius of duck and the smoke he missed as another.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
One you might. You know, this is that that probably competition.
I mean you could call it a competition. I would
just call it Daris. I might even say the best
player in that class. But you know that's that's me.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I should.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
But you know, but before we move off of Daris,
I do think we need to talk about just how
good he's been in the clutch. You know, whether it's
an on game or an off game, he has stepped
up in those moments. I saw the NBA account tweeted
out that among players that have over eighty clutch points
this season, he leads them with the best field goal
percentage in that time, he's shooting fifty eight point seven percent.

(16:05):
There's twelve players, So when I saw eighty points in
the clutch, I was like, how many guys have actually
done that? There's twelve guys that have done it, Trey Young,
Jalen Brunson, Maxi, DeRozan, and Jokic, Fox Curry, KDDG, Hero
and Tatum, and I thought it was noteworthy that not
only does Darius have the best field goal percentage, he
is the best three point percentage in that stretch. If

(16:28):
you look at free throw shooting, you know, only Steph
Katie and DeRozan are better from the free throw line
in the clutch.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
It includes that disaster just one of three performance against Houston.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, almost all of those misses that he's had this
season came in that one game. But he's shooting eighty
eight percent from the free throw line in that moment,
So you know, he's doing it in every single facet
in the clutch, and his defense has been great. You know,
I think back to, you know, some of the steals
he had in those moments. It was that great one

(17:00):
against Boston where he basically was playing like a defensive back.
He's been doing it all in the clutch, and I
just think it makes me think back to the last
couple of years where the numbers weren't as strong, and
we argue, you know, some of this is variants, and
I'll say this, even on this end, I don't think,
you know, this is who Darius is and he's going
to shoot sixty percent in the clutch for the rest

(17:21):
of his career or anything like this. There is some
luck when it comes to performing in these moments, but
I think the mentality to attack at that time, to
not be afraid of taking those shots and being aggressive,
having composure, I feel like he's been much much better
in those areas this season.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I think the composure thing definitely shines through, because I mean,
some of these are open looks that are being generated
by the overall health of the offense big time. But
I do think he his ISO possessions, which he's never
been a great ISO player, and I don't think he
is this year either, but he is doing a lot

(18:01):
better job of setting up winning possessions for him before
the shot goes up. He is you know, he's pulling
the string he is getting guys on their heels and
then stopping. He's not just trying to put a couple
combos on a guy then get past him. You know,
I feel like he's gotten really clean angles on a

(18:21):
lot of these attacks. He's finding the right switches. He's
been threatening enough with the pass that teams are worrying
about that, so he's still getting you know, he's not
doing the predetermined I'm going to try to score here
no matter what thing. So like, I just feel like
he hasn't had to take a lot of tremendously difficult

(18:42):
shots in that plutch sample so far this season. It's
been nice that he's hit a lot of those tremendously
difficult shots as well, but like that's not what they're
building the whole plane out of.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, and you know, I think that's true of Donovan
as well. Right, Neither of them are particularly strong this
year in isolation. Darius is in the forty eight percentile,
Donovan's in the sixty six percentile. Ty jeromes in the
ninety seventh, which absolutely tracks unstoppable. That completely feels that way.
But I think you pointing out the process is so

(19:20):
important because that was one of our main criticisms in
the clutch was, hey, they're running this clock down too
long and there's five seconds left. They have to jack
up a shot with a long defender on them, and
Darius and Donovan are not getting good shots in the spot.
Now they're playing with pace, they're playing with tempo. Even
in the clutch. They're allowing and trusting the offense to

(19:43):
generate better looks for them. And I think that you're
seeing better results because of that, right. I think so
often the lazy conversations when it comes to the clutch
and you know, star players and all that is all right,
it's something that's genetic, right, it's you either have it
or you don't. Don't when really the the context that
you're in your trust of the system, whether you are

(20:06):
you know, being supported by your teammates. Like I think
Donovan he deserves credit for Darius's numbers in the clutch.
I does think Mobili deserves credit for his numbers in
the clutch, Darius's ability to play off of those guys
and keep defenders guessing on am I going to pass
it to mobiley Am I going to pass it to Alan.
I have to account for Donovan Mitchell that all of

(20:28):
those factors contribute to him being so good in this spot.
So I don't think it is as simple as, oh,
you know, he just built this way, right.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I do think, you know, like sometimes it's not built
this way. But a lot of it is your mentality.
Like I do you think there are guys who you
don't want to shoot, like because you're not sure they're gonna,
you know, get tight in a big moment. I do
think there is some part of that that guys have
to work through. But like that's the experience of reps.

(20:59):
You know, you take your first game winning shot, You're
probably gonna be pretty nervous walking on that floor out
at the time out you take. You get a lot
of reps in these situations over the you know, four
or five years DG's been in the league. Well, then
it gets a lot easier, you know, you just it
gets a little bit more routine. Then you have the
culture piece of if I take a shot that is

(21:22):
in miss is my coach going to be side eyeing me?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Are my teammates going to be side eyeing me? I mean,
if if there's been a criticism levied against Lebron over
the course of his career that I thought was fair
is like, man, you mess up with him three or
four times in a row, you're just not going to
get the ball anymore, you know, Like and like guys,
who are who might you know, Like if he doesn't
trust you to hit the open three, it's just like

(21:49):
kind of devastating. And I do think they're like so
like there's all these different factors that come into how
you're going to play. It's do you have a good,
you know, offensive system that you can depend on. Do
you have the talent, do you have the reps, Do
you have the confidence? Do you have the culture that
will support you when you fail? Because you're gonna fail
a lot, Like I mean, most people shoot, like you know,

(22:13):
some of the best players in NBA history shoot like
forty percent from the field and game winning situations if that,
because this stuff is really really those are going to
be the most difficult shots in the game always. So
I just think it's this big top cocktail of factors
that you know, for whatever reason, uh, they got the

(22:37):
right alchemy for Darius this year.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I totally agree with that. You know, joked about
it a little bit on the last podcast that Hey
they're they're just keeping these games close, and they're having
comeback just so that they can practice these late game
scenarios right, just so that they can get the reps
and get that money.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I don't think Darius agrees, because he basically said to Serena,
I'm sick of comebacks.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Can think of the low starts, which you know, I
looked into it. The Calves prior to the All Star Break,
with the number two team in first quarter net rating,
they outscored opponents by these sixteen point seven points per
one hundred possessions. In that time. Since the All Star Break,
they are only seventh in first quarter net rating plus

(23:19):
seven point three. So yeah, they have been worse to
start off games, and I think some of that has
been focused more than anything. I think part of it is, hey,
Darius isn't shooting well, Donovan isn't shooting well, Tie isn't
shooting well. When that's the case, you're going to have
a little bit of a slump, you're going to be
a little uneven.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
But you know, as we said on the last podcast,
though really nice to be winners of fifteen in a
row when you're slumping.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
No kidding, you know, It just goes to show you
how high the floor is. And it's funny because you
look at how good the Calves have been in the
clutch this season. They are twentieth in terms of how
many clutch games they've been in, but they are number
one clutch wins. They have twenty wins in the clutch
this season, right, sorry, twenty two wins in the clutch
this season. The outscore opponents by thirty seven point nine

(24:09):
points per one hundred possessions. In those scenarios, they have
a one to thirty nine point five offensive rating and
a one to one point six d rating.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That is just have it. An offensive rating in the
clutch eleven points better than the best offensive player of
his generation in Nikolay Jokic is pretty freaking phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's this team's pretty damn good, Carter. I don't know
if you've heard some rumors about it, but they they
get it done. And you know the funny thing with
Darius two, you look at what he's done in the
clutch this season. I do think that there is a
difference between the last five minutes within five points and
the last minute of the game when everything is on
the line and you're within five points, so I was like,

(24:51):
let's filter that down. How's he doing in the last minute.
He is shooting seven of nine from the field, three
of three from three, and sixteen of twenty from the
free throw line. Again, all of those misses basically coming
versus Houston.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
It's gonna be a real bummer that he's not gonna
win Clutch Player of the Year, which is an award
I never cared about because it only has existed for
like two years. But just on the back of the
Cavs haven't played enough clutch minutes. Yeah, you know, because
they are twenty seventh. They've only played ninety three minutes
in the clutch so far this season. And you know,

(25:26):
the Knicks were in took close games every five minutes,
are eighth. So Brunston's gonna win it, and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
The silly thing about that is they have the most
clutch wins. They have the most clutch wins this season.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
We have the most everything, justin.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Why do you get punished for entering clutch time another
team's close to you and you punch them in the
mouth and you get out of that clutch time? Why
is it a benefit and why Is it a reflection
of you know, your nerves, the steel and your ability
to get it done in the clutch. If you mess around,
let that team hang around and go down to the

(26:07):
wire pad those stats less efficiently. Why is that?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
You want to know the real answer? Right, Maybe the
real answer is is not that serious of an award.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
You're probably right. They probably just filter who has the
most clutch points this season and that's it.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, they just made it up. They made it up
like five minutes ago, made it up for as long
as clutch time exists in an NBA game. You know what, Carter,
just because something hasn't been around a long time doesn't
mean it doesn't have value.

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Speaker 1 (26:56):
Oh man, what a year. What a year.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But we talked about the win. We talked about you know,
Darius and how it was a bit of a top
heavy performance. But I think we would be not doing
our jobs if we weren't giving credits to the bigs.
Kevin Mowbley and Jared Allen were fantastic last night.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, they were unbelievable. I mean Jared especially. I mean
Kenny said Jared was the MVP for them, and I
couldn't agree more. I thought he was the biggest reason
that they were locking Brooklyn down on the other end
of the floor. I thought his rebounding was phenomenal. I
thought his finishing was phenomenal, both hands, ducking through, catching

(27:37):
on the boot, move, finishing at the ram, get into
the line. I got eleven free throws justin you know,
they don't win that game in a game where they
can't hit the broadside of the barn. They ten to
forty two from three. They don't win that game without
some freebies. And you know, JA hitting nine of his
eleven is like really really important. So particularly when you

(28:02):
know there's concerns about how's the hand doing, He's going
just left a little bit more. Yeah, And I want
to talk about that because I just think we generally
should have a rest conversation and and you know, how
how to attack the rest of the season. Seventeen games left,
but uh yeah, I mean the hand definitely still is
not all the way right. So the fact that he

(28:23):
really I thought, I thought he, you know, Darius was
the the sizzle. Jared was the steak in that win.
He was phenomenal. Evan also very very good, just had
a bit of a quieter second half.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, Evan was that nice tall glass of wine that
complimented the steak.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's nice. Let's just keep this analogy going. Yeah, yeah,
Jarry's phenomenal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I thought Jared was really really good on the night.
I noticed early on, you know, going back to that hand,
there was a couple of times where he had the
right hook and kind of forced his way back to
the left to go up that way. So that's you know,
when we're doing the body doctor stuff that that's the
kind of stuff that I really noticed.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Prestling Gardens and the YouTube chat just said o'koro was
the green beans.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Oh, he was absolutely the green beans. Well stock taken asparagus,
you know, yeah, no little you know, graded parmesan on
the asparagus. Yeah. I thought that's exactly what he brought
to the table, which, you know, what what a perfect
before you know, I'll get back to the Bigs in
a moment, but you know, they jog my memory here,

(29:33):
what a perfect game. After our conversation about o'coro about
how the way he's been used makes us less reliant
on the three point shot to determine whether or not
he's going to have an effective game, he goes oh
five from the three point line. But everybody that watched
that game saw the impact that Okoro had. He was
making the right reads as a passer, He got three

(29:54):
offensive rebounds, he got some steals. The defensive impact was
absolutely there. I thought it was a terrific game from
o'corl And as much as I would have liked some
of those threes to drop, I thought it was just
a perfect encapsulation of what we talked about on the
last podcast.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, he was phenomenal. Honestly, he was so phenomenal that
every time Cam Thomas got up a shot where he
wasn't being guarded by o'coro, I was kind of sitting
on my couch being like, what are we doing? Go
put the guy who guards him on him.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Ever since, ever since Terry Rogier fell off a cliff,
Cam Thomas is now that guy that just kind of
freaks me out every time shot.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Yeah, he's terrifying, so, like you know, and whether it
was Darius, whether it was Meyrill, whether whoever it was,
Cam Thomas just was shooting like they weren't there, you know,
And when o'corra was on them, it changed the changed
his night, you know, and I just I wanted to
see more. I thought he was really really impactful defensively.

(30:59):
I think you're right that it was kind of the
perfect follow up to our conversation where he was making
his impact all over. It's hard to go three of
ten and zero for five from three as a starting
shooting guard V plus seven if you're not doing everything
else really really well.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I think the impact that
he had on the defensive end, both the bigs, I
thought they were terrific defensively. And you know, through this
winning streak with the Cavs slumping a little bit, I
think it's noteworthy to kind of point out the issues
are kind of coming on the offensive end, right. They've
fallen off just a little bit in their consistency there.

(31:38):
They've had a few off shooting nights You'll look at
since the All Star break. They still do have the
number one net rating since the All Star Break. Makes sense.
They haven't lost a game, but they're third offensively and
they are number two in defense. They've been better on
defense than they have been offensively, and I think some
of that is they've been very healthy. Right, They've had

(31:59):
both bigs consistently. Isaac Okoru is back playing within the lineup.
DeAndre Hunter has undoubtedly had an impact on the defensive end,
and just even when they're slumping, even when they're not
playing particularly well on the offensive end and they're falling behind,
usually they're falling behind because the shots aren't falling in
the offense. Isn't there. Maybe they've had a couple turnovers

(32:21):
and gave up fast break fast break points or an
offensive rebound, but it generally hasn't been. Hey, these guys
aren't trying on the defensive end. The consistent effort on
the defensive side of the floor has been what's allowed
them to get back into these games and ultimately win them.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Can I know a little something something? What's that most
All Star Break? Oklahoma City thunder sixteenth in defense? You know, Carter,
if you know what? And what I'm gonna say is
a very take, motivated take. It's not the most good
self aware. That's good self aware. That the most objective

(32:58):
take I've ever thrown out there. Maybe playing two bigs
on defense isn't as easy as everyone says it is.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Okay, I'm glad that's the angle you took. I was
going to say, you know, cuz you.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Know home Grin gets back, Everyone's like, oh, with him
at the four and Hardenstein at the five, no one's
going to be able to score on them. And I mean,
I'm a it's not like I've looked at the lineup data. Again,
I'm not this is not a good faith take, but like,
I just think it's noteworthy that maybe not everyone can

(33:30):
do it the way we do it.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I think it's a fair point. Now looking at the numbers, now,
chet and Hernstein have played one hundred and forty three
minutes together. They have a one to fifteen defensive rating
in that time plus twelve point three nets. So offense
has been crushing at one twenty seven, but the defense
hasn't necessarily been there.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And maybe it's really maybe it's hard to lose all
the mobility and switchiness of a Jared Allen Evan Mobley
front court. Maybe it's a little harder when you're you're
when one of your two bigs is really a drop
big and the other one is a switch big. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I think that's a big part of what's made the
defense so special, is that Mobile and Allen both are
able to guard at the perimeter. I think that mobility,
even it has an impact on the offensive end right
Like they will play five outs sometimes for a possession
or two even with both bigs there, because they trust
their ability to set those screens above the three point line,

(34:27):
catch the ball on the move, and make the right
reads and react in those spots. He can trust everybody
to do that. Isaiah Hartenstein is a terrific passer. His
feel for the game is phenomenal. You can get him
on the ball in the move and he'll throw lobs
to the dunker spot some of you know, the two
man game with him and Chet has been really fun
in the games I watch. That doesn't always translate to
the defensive end. As he said, he is kind of

(34:48):
a true drop big. Is this one, as you said,
a great faith take? No, but I absolutely not. But
I do think let's just you know, use it as
a means to give our bigs credit because they have
been phenomenal, and I think how seamless that has been
on the defensive end of the court since day one

(35:11):
really goes to show you just how unique that pairing is.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, they are so freaking phenomenal. They've been phenomenal from
the second we put them together. And I think assuming
that like sized players, even like talented players, could just
immediately replicate that even with better defensive personnel at the

(35:36):
front of the defense.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
That's a great point as well.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
It's just not that easy to to especially for a
team like that that you know, gives up a lot
of corner threes and stuff like that. It's hard for
bigs to recover out like that. It's hard for them
to dig in on penetration and then rEFInd their man
who's relocated to a different point of the three three point.

(36:00):
It just matters. So I again, I'm not my best
faith take, but I do. But you're right as to
use it as a means of kind of propping up
our boys who have been who have needed no adjustment
to be great together on that end of the floor.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, and since Donovan joined the team, we're talking about
a six thousand possession sample of the two bigs together.
They have a one to eleven defensive rating in that
time plus seven net. They've been phenomenal, right, And you know,
there's always been those concerns of hey, how's that going
to work with the two guards and the two bigs, Right,
They're like, are those two bigs out there just to

(36:39):
cover for the guards? And you look at the minutes
that the four of them have played together over these
last three years, four thousand possessions, the defense is actually
better when the two guards are out there. It's a
one ten point eight defensive rating, one nineteen offensive rating.
That core four has been fantastic in their time together.
We had a bit of a lull last season, and
I continue to you know, yell from the mountaintops. The

(37:02):
sample this season is dramatically smaller than the one the
year prior, and they have not been healthy for any
of it. There has been hamstring injuries for the guards.
There's been mobilely coming off a knee surgery. There were
so many factors that when we had.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Knee surgery last year and we just kind of didn't
no one even acknowledged it. Really, I forgot about it
until you just said it.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
It's you know, it's one of those things that always
drives me crazy as someone that listens to national podcasts
looking for reasons to get upset. Any time that like
a little nuance is brought up with one team and
then a massive thing like surgery gets overlooked with the
calves drives me nuts. It's like, well, you know, Payton

(37:44):
Pritchard got stuck in traffic on Tuesday, so it's it's
okay that he had a bit of an off shooting game.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well, you know, traffic in Boston can be really rough justin.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I've heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that many times.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'll say it. Can we talk a little rest based,
you know, now that we are on the health train.
I just generally wanted to discuss this because, you know, Darius,
ever since he falls, has that hard fall, hasn't quite
been himself. Fourth quarter and Nomal standing uh and Jarrett

(38:17):
in the post game basically said, yeah, my hand still hurts,
still kind of hurts a lot, okay, and it's hard
for me to hard for me to do power dribbles
and stuff like that. I don't actually want to miss quotehim.
I don't remember if he said a lot, but he
said it still hurts. You know, it's hard for me
to do power dribbles with that hand compared to my
left and stuff like that. And you know, they are,

(38:40):
you know, a weird kind of semi precarious spot where
they're trying to lock up home court through the entire playoffs.
And there are two games up on Okay, see as
we speak, going into going into Wednesday night, they have
a chance. I mean, they look very likely Frank to

(39:01):
set a new franchise record for wins, and they're flirting
with a seventy win season. They have to finish fifteen
and two, which is about the pace they've played at
all year. And my question to you is, like, I
know Jared really wanted to play all ed two, but
like and and Darius, you know, I think definitely wants

(39:24):
to prove that, you know, you know, his toughness and
all that stuff. Do you start doing some targeted rests
up and down with these guys who are a little
banged up, you know, even ty Jerome. If you had
told me ty Jerome is going to get a rest
game last year, oh okay, yeah, go ahead, Like last year,

(39:44):
I would have been like, oh my god, like.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
What, Yeah, the standard for rest game was a little
higher last year, and guys were playing a whole lot
more much.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
It is more like normally role players don't get those
rest games because they don't play. You know, he was
we weren't sure if he was going to be in
the rotation at the beginning of the year, So you know,
part of that's you know, the injury history, right, you
you want to give a guy like that the opportunities
to rest in particularly, as I said, was in quite
a bit of a shooting slump the last six games.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So but I think I didn't give those conversations. I
think you have those conversations.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I actually want to frame a question to you because
I think we've already discussed like if a guy is
like hurt hurt, you absolutely should sit him. Yeah, And
if a guy is healthy, healthy, he should play. That
has generally been our party line for these guys who
have some slightly nagging injuries like or things that like

(40:41):
aren't stopping them from playing, wouldn't stop them from playing
in the postseason. But like you know, and you know,
and they're telling you I'm fine, I'm good to play. Yeah,
those people do you say, do you still go? I
hear that you feel good to play. We're going to
give you, uh, you know, we're going to find spots

(41:01):
like Friday where we have two days off and you
know we can find we can keep you it in
Cleveland for basically five six days and let you just
rest whatever malady you have. Like, are you doing that?
Because I think I am.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah. I think you need to have those conversations with
the player. I think you need to. You know, we
obviously don't know the particulars. No, I'm very I'm very
far from a professional athlete. But the one thing I
do have some very far from a professional trainer.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
We're not there either.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But the one thing I do actually have way too
much experience with is rehabbing injuries. And sometimes you do
have you know, nagging ailments and more exercises is part
of the prescription. Hey, you're not going to hurt it
by it by doing this. You got to work your
way through it. You know, sometimes rest is going to
work in the opposite direction. Now, I think when it

(41:55):
comes to something like a finger heeling, I trust them
that they got the wrap on there, but you know,
you can't do more damage I don't think Darius would
be playing if it was a situation where hey, if
he's playing, he's going to do more damage to it.
But I think you do have those conversations with the
guys of hey, we have an opportunity to give you
a rest here, that this might be beneficial. Are you

(42:16):
open to it?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Right?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Like advocating for it, because ultimately you don't want to
go completely against the players witches, but you have to
advocate in the right direction. And I actually think this
is one of those spots where having a veteran like
Tristan Thompson is probably really valuable. Tristan in the sixteen
seventeen season, not only was he coming off the long
Finals run, but he you know, sacrificed to play for

(42:37):
Team Canada that offseason. He was keeping that iron Man
streak going during the sixteen seventeen season, and I eventually
he just wore down and he did have to miss
some time, and he wasn't himself in the twenty seventeen playoffs.
You know, he wasn't moving around the same way that
he did in the past. It was never himself again.
He bounced back a little bit in eighteen. I think

(43:00):
he you know he had. You know, we don't win
that game against Indiana in the first round without him
having one of those throwback performances. But I think it
is unbelievable, especially when it comes to Tristan. Don't don't
you worry about that, man. I'm going to remember that
my my Canadian bias here. But I do think Tristan

(43:20):
is a good advocate for this. Of Hey, I had
this goal. I wanted to keep the iron Man streak going.
It probably didn't work in my favor. I don't think
I ever have heard him speak to it. But just
thinking back to, you know, an example of this and
a guy that's currently in the locker room, maybe that
is something that they can go to. Again, we're speculating

(43:41):
because we don't know, you know, what the condition is.
But I do think there's going to be opportunities to
get these guys down rest, down the stretch. I think
those opportunities exist because they have worked so hard this season.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I had a bit of a dumb thought. I'm just
gonna say it. You're probably gonna roll your eyes. It
does kind of make me feel like, hey, guys, if
you're gonna do this and when you get to the postseason.
You better take care of business in these series, like
don't have a seven game war of attrition for no reason, Like, yeah,

(44:15):
don't play with your food, get sweeps, get five game series,
and get out so you can recover and get ready
for the next one. I don't know, was that was
that completely moron?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay, here's the thing, Carter, because you're making me think
you had that sit down with Kenny to start the season.
We might need to have another one of those opportunities
before the playoffs where you share the strategy of winning
games if possible. Yeah, with Kenny. I think I think
that might blow his mind.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I think it's saying from an injury, from a healing perspective, Yes,
like if you're gonna if like I was just thinking, like,
because where if you're not going to do the rest
thing where your opportunity is going to present themselves, it's
going to be sitting while other teams are in knockdown,
drag out series.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
But glad to know it was indeed a moronic take.
I'm comfortable justin I asked it's you know, it's a
little obvious, but I think you're right, and you know,
to your point.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Not only is that good from a rest standpoint, I
think we need to see it. Right. We haven't seen
them have a dominant playoff series. Them smoking a team
in the first round or you know, if you play
a Milwaukee in the second round, I think that's going
to be a challenge. But if you handle them comfortably
in five games, not only is beating Jannis a feather
in your cap, that's that's a real statement that when

(45:38):
you take care of business against a very good team,
that that is something that you can actually you know,
that's going to lift up your confidence. You're going to
feel better about your chances going into a Boston series.
So I think taking care of business from a rest standpoint,
from a confidence standpoint, all of that's so important because
we're talking about a team that hasn't been to a
conference finals. Not a lot of teams have, you know,

(46:01):
not gone to a conference finals and go on to
win a championship. I think that's one of those spots
where we once again have a comparison to the Golden
State Warriors in twenty fifteen. But I think the Calves
taking care of business, giving themselves those rest opportunities and
building on that confidence is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Sorry, I had to put you full screen. There's a
daddy long legs crawling on my wall. It's a big
ass spider and full disclosure. The single screen freaked me
out a little bit. I was like, Oh, does he
think I'm making a good point?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Are you trying to clip this for social I was
going to wrap up my point, but you just put
me on single screen.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Brother. Let me tell you, every time I put you
on single screen, it's because I'm moving out a frame.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Okay, that's very good to know. That's very good to know.
I mean, so Phil, Phil, Yeah, I at least I
had the right instinct to fill there. And you know,
I'm proud. Struggling a little bit, I'm having trouble talking today.
I got dent to stuff I gotta do on Friday,
a little bit annoying. I'm tired Daylight savings even though
I don't have a kid carter. So you know, thank

(47:08):
you for once again putting me on the spot.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Listen, man, it's a I saw a spider on my wall.
I had to get rid of it. I don't know
it was going to distract me for the rest of
the podcast. That's totally fair.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Is there anything you are so you know we cover
the rest topic. Is there anything you're looking for from
this Memphis game? You know, even without Darius, that was
a tougher game in Cleveland. I think it's obviously a
different animal without Jared Jackson Junior. He has been their
best player this season. But that's still a good team
that can potentially test you here.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I don't know, man, I no, I mean, I want
to see what they do with jaw, especially if Darius
doesn't play, you know, is it gonna be more Isaac
o Quoro on him? But really, I just I'm just
kind of now counting wins, like I just want to
see wins. I don't actually really care too much how

(48:04):
we get up the mountain because this team has really
shown me almost this bad podcast pressed into set, but
I do feel like the team has just shown me
just about everything else that I want to see, Like,
I just want to see them. I want to see
how far this wind streak can go. I'd love, you know,

(48:25):
I how long does the wind streak go? Before you
think seventy is possible? Before you not just possible, but
like you think we're getting it. Because I was thinking
watching them when they were down eighteen to Brooklyn, I
was like, man, I don't know if they're going to
be able to get to seventy if they lose here.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
You know, I think they got to win seven more
before I think seventy is possible.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I'm gonna go if the wind Streak gets to twenty.
If they get to twenty, which is absurd sentence, if
the wind Streak gets to two, that means they only
got to go ten in two to close the year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
See, I'm thinking it's got to be eight in two.
Like the last ten games go eight in two. You
can do that. A game eighty two probably going to
see guys rest. You know. That's That's kind of where
I'm at. Not often that you're you're more optimistic than me,
but I think you know, tying into that your thoughts

(49:27):
about Memphis there the real test the rest of the
way is playing against themselves. I think we have seen
them get it done against sow Casee, We've seen them
get it done against Boston, We've seen them get it
done against the best teams in the league. The individual
matchup questions aren't as interesting now. I think their main

(49:47):
opponent is themselves they're playing against the streak. They're playing
against this very difficult schedule where for the rest of
the month they are not going to play in the
same city consecutive nights. They are always going to be
on the road. You are playing against the NBA schedule,
and you're playing against the streak, and you're playing against yourselves,
you're playing against complacency because you have already wrapped up

(50:09):
the number one seed in the Eastern Conference. All these
human components are the major factors here more than oh, well,
what are they going to do tactically against the John
Moran No, Like, we know that they can get it done.
We know that they can defend just about any team
in the league. We know they can score on just
about any team in the league. It's about how long
can they maintain this consistency?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Man, I really want seventy wins? Man, Like that is
like such a special threshold. A cross like that is like,
I mean, you'd be the third team in the because like,
here's where I keep going back to all these stats,
like the second team in history to have three twelve

(50:51):
game win streaks, you know, the sixth team to have
two fifteen game win streaks, that's cool, but aren't necessarily
wrapped around a complete success. You know, like like you know,
no one, no one remembers the O six Suns for
how insanely dominant they were. We remember they were fun,

(51:14):
you know, and very good. You know what I mean.
They're like they weren't like a like I feel like
the teams that win that you know are in that
sixty nine, seventy seventy one, seventy two, seventy three range. Yeah,
those are like those teams where you just you really
remember them because it wasn't This is over an eighty

(51:38):
two game sample. You know, they didn't get hot for
a month or a month and a half, like, and like,
it just feels like another level of crazy on It's
like a hat on a hat on a hat on
a hat of all the crazy fun that this season
has been. So it'd be really fun to see him
hit it. I don't think they will, but it'd be
really fun to see them hit it.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, I'm with you to some extent because I I
guess I haven't thought about seventy a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
I don't know why I've thought about it so much,
but I've been thinking about it since like like the
forty game mark.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, because I just want to get the team record,
like that's been the only thing. But you're right that
that would be significant the coward in me, and you know,
chat feel free to boom me. You know, if you're
listening on Spotify, there's a common section there, you can
boom me there as well. I'm a little cowardly, and
I think having seventy is just going to put that
extra a little bit of target on your back. And

(52:34):
I kind of are a coward kind of still like
that even as the one seed, we're going to be
the underdog going into the Eastern Conference finals. I like
being in that angle.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Hold on. Let me let me reframe it for you, fella.
Could you imagine how disrespected that locker room will feel
as an underdog in a series after winning seventy games
in a season. Feed off that come on, brother, join me,

(53:04):
join me.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Okay, Okay, I see where you're coming from. Let's let's
get seventy. Let's get it done. Let's let's shock the world.
Let's beat Boston, let's beat Okay, see if they get
that far, you know, they got to figure out that
too big thing. It's uh I've heard years and years
of content saying that that's impossible to make work. Uh,
so we'll see if they can get it done. I'm

(53:26):
with you. Let's let's get seventy. Let's put the pressure
on ourselves and let's deliver.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes, come on, bro, let's go.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I can't believe you said nobody remembers that the six
Sons how dominant they were. I was giving your first
round details from twenty eighteen about what Tristan Thompson did you.
Of course I'm going to remember. I remember the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Do you remember the beauty of them? I don't remember
them feeling unbeatable.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Oh man, it's back then, regular season basketball, anytime a
team was rolling, and I love that team. I thought
that they could win. You know, I thought the on
nine Cavs were absolutely going to win. Oh six Sons?
Are you kidding me? Rajah Bell, Boris Diao, Sean Marion
k I.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Really don't think I'm a smart man because my memory
is so horrible.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Dude. I feel like every legend James Jones was on
that team. I'm very sure everything before I was like
nineteen years old didn't even happen. I don't remember anything,
no details. Well, you've done a number on your body, buddy,
all all your habits, all your recreational habits that have
fried your memory mind.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I wouldn't even have that big of recreational habits. I
just think I'm stupid.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You're I'm throwing stones from my glasshouse. But my one
memory is going to be basketball stuff, little details, especially
those teams, those teams I had such an emotional connection to,
and I think that's what's made me so excited about
this season. This team has kind of reinvigorated that real
emotional connection. A team that just no matter how they're

(55:03):
playing on a given night, they find a way to
get it done. They play such a fun style. You know,
they really do remind me of kind of those beautiful
basketball teams, whether it be the six Sons that are
doing something that I.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Got a little take for you because our boy domin
Rangoula mentioned that that what in that Bucks game that
you know, watching the Calves reminds him of the beautiful
game Spurs, and I was thinking about how I agree
with that compliment. I don't think it's like a sacrilegious
thing to say, but it's actually a crazier compliment because

(55:38):
those Spurs were like in their mid thirties up and
down the roster. Yeah, these Caves are in their mid twenties.
They're playing this way without the benefit of like seven
or eight years of reps. Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
That reminds me. We got tagged in a tweet where
Darren Patrick was talking about the and how they need
to be talked about more this season. But he was saying,
you know, they're not sexy, they're not fun to watch.
They kind of play like the twenty fourteen Spurs, where
like I think.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
He was I'm gonna defend him. I think he was
more saying that's what the national media would say about them.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Maybe whatever's point was, I at least appreciate the consistency
of I don't think this is fun or you know,
there's a narrative that's not fun. But it's like the
twenty fourteens, perst because that team was absolutely fun. That
ball movement was absolutely fun. Running through you know, Evan Mobley,
just like Tim Duncan, is a lot of fun. Having
dynamic guards that can get it done, getting those threes up,

(56:39):
generating clean looks. The Cavs play beautiful beautiful team basketball,
and there are more than their fair share of individual highlights,
whether it be Darius closing in the clutch, whether it's
Donovan dunking on everybody, whether it's Evan Mobley or Jared
Allen randomly choosing violence on Brook Lopez or other victims.
It has been the most fun season that I watched

(57:01):
as a cas man.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
We might need to resurrect the Slim Duncan nickname for
ev I really liked that one.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Did you like Slim Duncan or Evan Garnett more? I
liked I like Slim Duncan better. I thought it was funnier,
even though the garden Net comp might be a little
more apps. I just I've always liked the you know,
I've always liked the demeanor comp more than the play
style comp with Evan. Yeah, because the demeanor is all Timmy.
It's it's much more tim You're You're right, I I

(57:29):
I do really really enjoy that comp. And I enjoy
these podcasts.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Buddy.

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