October 27, 2025 • 33 mins
# 16 - Sarai vs. Hagar - In this episode of The Chosen People explore the tense and emotional story of Sarai and Hagar, where faith, identity, and God's timing collide in a narrative of human frailty and divine intervention. Discover how God sees and responds to the pain of those caught in the struggles of life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Previously on the chosen people.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
You've drawn the attention of Pharaoh's officials, and because of
that we should be prepared to tell them you're my sister,
not my wife. Now this is for your protection as
well as my own. If you've drawn the eye of
a prominent Egyptian as your brother, my life would be spared.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So you'd lie.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's not an outright lie. We do share a father, Abram.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You would tell a half truth and deny me the
protection of my husband. Lie to spare yourself and ship
me off to an Egyptian warlord.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My name is Hagard. Is there anything else I can
get you?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Master Abram, as my servant piqued your interest, consider her
a part of my daddy, a gift for bringing me
such a lovely wife.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
She fumed that the only kindness her husband seemingly had
to spare was for some stranger, and not his own wife.
Abram couldn't bring himself to fully admit what had happened
in Egypt, certainly not to Sarah, perhaps some day, but
the failure still haunted him deeply.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And you speak often for your legacy and the nation
you are building. I do not mean to overreach But
how do you plan to secure your line of inheritance
without a son or any children? For that matter, have
you named an heir?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Abraham, Do not be anxious, and do not worry about
the opinions of others. I have not forgotten about the
promise I have made you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
God most High, I know what you have promised me.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
But how can you count the stars? Abram? You cannot,
for there are too many. It is impossible. It is
to be the same with your offspring. The great nation
I shall make through your air would be as innumerable
as the stars in the night sky.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That night, under a canopy of stars and uncertainty, Sarai,
despite her tears, felt comforted. Abram had failed her. But
the God of Abram wouldn't. Sarah's hands tremored slightly as
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she grasped the clay pitcher. Whether from age or pure apprehension,
she was not sure. That morning she had known. At daybreak,
she opened her eyes to find the sun screaming through
a jagged tear in the tent roof. She had watched
the black goat hairs of the tent fabric slowly lose
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their luster and then deteriorate a little more each day
until a slender scene began to form. She eyed the
scene every morning and evening, wondering when it would finally
burst open. And today it finally happened. Yes, today was
going to be the day. She felt the anxiety building
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in her bones and her patience some raveling like the
fabric above her head. She could not let it go
on a moment longer. Action had to be taken.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Hagar, come here, Yes, Meridi, I must speak with my husband.
But you are not dismissed yet. I will have need
of you, so do not go far.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, Maldi ten years that's what that hole in her
tent had come to represent. These nomadic tents had become
their home while they waited on a promise from Abram's god.
Her gone too. She had seen his power when he
rescued her from the hands of Pharaoh himself. But she
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wondered as the walls around her began to crumble and
her body steadily declined of old age. If there had
been some kind of mistake. Was there some sign or
direction they had missed along the way. Incalculable scores of
descendants and possession of this land were what was promised
to Abram, But A nagging suspicion had begun to worm
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its way into her mind. Was she to be a
part of this grand design? Was she perhaps the roadblock?
Was she the hold up, the mistake? She pushed the
thoughts away, stuffed them deep inside herself.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Lady Sarah, I received word that you sent for me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, Eliezer, I did. I would like you to intercept
my husband before he makes plans to join his friends
for dinner this evening. I would like him to dine
with me. I must speak with him. This is very important, Eliezer.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Yes, Lady Sirrih, I understand. I will do as you ask.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Sara I shakily set the pitcher down on the table
and began gathering the cups and readying the table for
their meal, losing herself once more in her brooding. Not
having children had long set her apart. Other women simply
didn't know what to talk to her about. Their whole
worlds were oriented around their children, and men didn't quite
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know what to make of her either. She was the
wife of a prominent clan leader, without the responsibilities of
child rearing to occupy her time. It was a life
of solitude. She had never asked for she had even
lost her reluctant companion in Lot's wife when they decided
to settle miles away in Sodom. Even more than the
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loneliness of her life and station, the overwhelming feeling of
inadequacy g nor at Sarah. She had buried the wound
of her infertility deep within herself long ago, But what
she would never dare speak aloud was this. She had
never felt like a whole person because of it, So
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she hid behind her mask of self sufficiency and duty.
She ran her household, honored her husband, and oversaw their affairs.
She was the portrait of her Hebrew wife, Lady.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sarah, the meal is almost ready for you, and Master Abram,
thank you Mare.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
With nothing else to nervously fill her time, she began
to pace the length of the tent back and forth.
For ten years. She wondered at the promise spoken over
their lives. Fear that she had done something wrong, or
perhaps had not done enough, manifested her creeping doubt in
her heart. Old insecurities clawed their way to the surface,
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refusing to stay where she had long ago locked them away.
They ate away at her faith, like the fraying of
their tent. They demanded action. They gave her a sense
of urgency and need to take matters into her own hands. Maybe,
just maybe she had to be the one to fix it.
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She refused to be the cause of failure. She could
not stomach this being her shortcoming. An idea had taken root,
and the more she stewed on it, the more sure
she felt.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Lady Sirri, I have found your husband. Will you be
requiring anything else before I tell the servants you're ready
for your meal?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Thank you, Eliezer, that will be all.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Sir I. I am always honored to dine with you,
But what's with all the urgency informality?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
A well, Abram, I have something I need to discuss
with you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Sarah paused as the servants brought in food and wine.
She knew Abram could detect her nervousness immediately, after all,
they had been married for over fifty years, but he
respectfully held his silence and allowed her to take the
time to prepare for what she had to say. Sarah
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only resumed her conversation with her husband once the servants
were gone.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Abram, I have been giving this a lad of thought.
It has been ten years since we arrived in Canaan,
and God has promised you a mighty legacy and possession
of this land. You told me that he confirmed this
promise in the most binding method of our culture, through covenant.
You said that your offspring would come from your flesh
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and blood. I have never been able to conceive, and
in the ten years since we heard this promise, that
hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Abram reached over the table to grasp her trembling hand.
Abram's touch did not ease her discomfort. It had been
fifty years of reassuring glances, squeezes of the hand, and
words of affection, but never once did Abram ever say
the words she desperately longed for. You are enough for me.
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She swallowed, steeled herself, let go of her pride, and said.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I would have you achieved this promise another way. I
would present my maid to you so that you could
conceive a child with her. The child would be of
your flesh and blood, and you would only have to
adopt him as your heir. In that way, we would
achieve God's promise to us. We could build our family
through this child you would conceive with another.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Sorry, you would do that for us. I would.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It is the most logical path forward, and you would
have the authority to make it so according to our laws.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Sara I watched as Abram considered her words. She knew
the events in Egypt had affected him deeply. He had
come very close to losing her entirely.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
He was as.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Stubborn as she was in admitting his own failures. She
supposed he found it easier to bury them as well.
He had been doing his best to mend what had
been lost. She could acknowledge that it had taken a
great deal of time to walk back the trust between them.
They had made progress, but Abram still seemed unsure at
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times about how to re engage, and she in turn
did not know what to tell him or where to begin.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Sorry, this offer is very generous. You have moved me
greatly in your commitment to what our God has promised us.
I will do what you.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Have asked of me. I will accept.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Sharp pangs of emotion welled up unexpectedly from within her.
This wasn't what she wanted. Yes, this was what she
had planned, and she thought she had the resolve to
see it through. But it wasn't until now that she
realized she didn't want him to grant her this request,
and so readily she knew her suggestion was logical and strategic,
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But what she had failed to consider was her desperate
desire for validation. To her great surprise, she realized at
this moment that she craved comfort, the very thing she
could not bring herself to ask for outright. All she
wanted was for him to tell her that she was
a whole person, with or without a child, that she
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was enough, promise or no promise of a legacy. These
thoughts screened at her from the depths of her very soul.
She had tamped down those old hurts, but here they
were threatening to burst out of her. At long last,
she was right. She wasn't enough. Her husband's acceptance of
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her plan proved all her insecurities right. The realization stopped
her in her tracks and rendered her silent. She had
laid this trap for herself, and now she was snared
like a rabbit. She had no choice but to go
through with it. She could not now deny her husband
the very solution he had been looking for. She could
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not fail him in this. She would not fail him
in this, and so she stayed silent. Hagar now stood
before her lady and her master. She had never held
an audience with them both before. She had been given
to Abram in Egypt, and he, in turn gave her
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to his wife, Sarah. Hagar had been her maid ever since.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Abram, I present you with Hagar, as you once gave
her to me as a gift. I now present her
to you so that we may build our family.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Hagar blinked in surprise, but kept her head bowed politely.
She peered up at her master and lady in the
tense silence. This exchange seemed so formal, so restrained between them.
Perhaps this was yet another strange custom these Hebrews held.
Hagar had always found it strange that Abram had not
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taken an additional wife or concubine. She was equally surprised
that Abram had not made advances toward her, as all
her previous masters had done. All her life, Hagar had
been a slave and came to understand that nothing, not
even her own body, was her own. Hagar barely remembered
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the village she came from, or even the faces of
the pair and who sold her. All she remembered was
that they told her it was a great honor to
be selected for pharaoh, but even that honor had been
taken away from her when she was given away without
a second.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Thought, Hagar, you will go with my husband and lie
with him until you conceive a child. I will relieve
you of your duties until the child is born. The
child you bear him will become our heir. Do you
understand what I am asking of you?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes, Malidia, I understand. As you command me. I will
do as you ask.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so Hagar did as her lady instructed. That very night,
she was escorted to her lord's tent. Her lady Sarah
was there to open the entrance. As Hager entered, she
saw her lady's face illuminated by torchlight. Hatred was painted
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on the creases of her eyes. Was that hatred toward
her or perhaps to Abram?
Speaker 6 (15:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Hager had lived in hollow palaces long enough to recognize
a woman who hated herself. Her night with Abram was
a gentle and brief affair. She was not abused or belittled.
Amid it all, Hagar could not help but wonder if this
was the beginning of something good for her. Perhaps she
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could be more than a slave. True to her word,
Sarah I relieved Hagar from her duties, ensuring that she
would be looked after for the duration of her pregnancy.
For the first time in Hager's life, she had meals
brought to her, She had someone else to mend and
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wash her clothes, and her living space was kept neat
and clean. Most crucially, there was no one telling her
what to do. To someone who had never had anything,
this was everything she felt significant, and it gave her
a glimpse into a future where she wasn't a slave
to the whims of others. She began to dream of
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things that had never been accessible to her before, a family,
and perhaps even a legacy of her own. If Abram
and Sarah could hope for such a thing, why not her?
Was she not bringing this about for them? In fact,
they couldn't do this without her. If Abram could adopt
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her son, why could he not legitimize Hager as well.
Time passed and the pains of pregnancy began. First, she
noticed the fatigue. Hager knew the tiredness that came from
a long day of work, but this was a lethargy
she had never known. But when the nausea began, she
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knew with certainty. As her belly grew, so did her
resentment of Sarah. She hated that she would be denied
the child grown inside of her. She hated that she
would return to the life she had before, But most
of all, she hated that Sarah would get everything she
wanted and Hagar again would be left with nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Good morning, Hagar, I received word that you are now showing.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I am, lady, as you can see well.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I came to see you and see how you are progressing.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I am how you see, lady? The babe grows each day.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And the midwife says the baby is healthy. Are you
heeding everything she says?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hagar's hatred of Sarah could be contained no longer. Sarah
came to her and asked these questions and similar ones
almost every day. Hagar's frustration at her fraud situation boiled.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Over nothing but a mayor to you to be broken
in bread. However you see fit, you will snatch this
child of mine and the moment it is free, and
claim it as your own. But why should you have
a say at all? It is Abrahm who chose me,
and it is I who was up to this task.
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When you were not, Why should I not be.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Rewarded with that?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Hagar stormed off before Sarah could open her mouth to
say a word. Hagar's words hung in the air moments
after she left, and Sarah was rendered utterly speechless. Would
this woman take her child? Would Abram in fact come
to favor Hagar once she bore a child of his flesh?
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Fear surged through her veins and kicked up fury in
its wake. Sarah I had done the noble thing. She
sacrificed her pride in granting her husband this path toward
a child, and this was to be how she was
to be repaid. Her anger cra called toward her husband.
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He had, without a moment's hesitation, set her aside. The
boldness of her handmaiden could be dealt with later, but
first her husband. Sarah I knew Abram would be heading
out toward the fields today. She marched back to their
tent and cornered him as he prepared to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Abram, Sir, I, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Tell me the truth? Have you given Hagar any reason
to believe that she may keep our child?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Of course not? Why would you ask me such a thing?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Have you told her that you prefer her to me?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Of course, Not where is this coming from. I've only
done what you've asked me to do.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
What I asked you to do. Ah, but oh how
quickly you agreed. Not a moment's hesitation for your wife,
Not one moment to consider why I asked you to
do it or how I felt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Sarah, you asked me to do this. Why would you
ask this of me if you didn't want it? I
wanted to please you, so I did what you requested
of me.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh? Is that why you did it to please me?
That is why you swiftly and gingerly took the slave
to your bed to please me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Sure, Abram, but you were so sure, you were so
bold and confident with this plan. How was I to
know you were holding back your true feelings? Was it
a trap you laid for me? I've been trying desperately
to be a better husband, a better man for you.
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I was moved that you were so invested in the promise.
How God made us. I thought this would make you happy.
This business with Hagar will give us a child at last.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
No, Abram, this business with Hagar will give you a child.
It's your child, Your promise your legacy, your divine calling
with some god I have yet to hear from. Perhaps
in the midst of it all, I would have a
consolation prize, a husband who loves me and won't ship
me off to Pharaoh or leave me into the arms
of some slave.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Sarah, I am not leaving you.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I am not.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Whatever kindness you have shown this woman has made her
hate me and desire you. This woman who should have
been our ally has become my enemy. She hates me.
You agreed to this plan, so I hold you responsible.
What I had hoped would help has only come back
to harm me. May God judge between.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Me and you, Sarai, these are strong words. You give
me no choice but to give you justice. Do what
you please with the girl. You can decide what is
to be done with her.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Sarah I turned on her heel and left their tent.
Satisfaction was not complete in her eyes, not even close,
but at least she would have her justice. She found
Hager and confronted her, rage roaring in her ears.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
You there, Hagar, how dare you speak to me as
you did earlier? Who do you think you are?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You have given your husband to me, and I have
done what you could not. Why should my station not
be elevated? Who is to say that Abram will not
decide between us.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I am your lady, and you are mine to do
with as I please. Even the child growing inside you
is mine to do with as I please. I have
given you nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You are nothing, Sarah struck Hagar with her final words.
Hagar fell to the ground, and Sarah felt the leash
on her anger slip even further as she continued her
assault on a defenseless Hagar. Over and over again, she yelled,
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you are.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Nothing, You are nothing, You are nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Sarah I was too enraged to know if she was
yelling these insults at Hagar or herself. Panting and exhausted,
SARAHI finally collapsed to her knees, trembling. The air between
the two women was still taut, like the string on
a bow. Hager winced as she uncurled herself from the
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protective ball she had formed around her head and pregnant belly.
She peered up at SARAHI, tears brimming in her eyes.
Sarah was still panting and glaring at her, but still
as death. Hager tentatively propped herself up with her elbow,
Weighing how Sarah would respond to her movement, Sarah stared
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at her in lethal silence, but didn't move to strike
or stop her. Haiger pushed herself to her feet, shaking.
Sarah watched her but made no movement. Sensing this may
be her only opportunity, Hager turned and stumbled away as
quickly as she could. She did not want to allow
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her lady time to change her mind. Hager broke into
a limping run as she fled from Abram and Saya's camp.
She had no plan and nowhere to go, but instinctively
ran east toward Egypt. Sarah I stared after Hager for
a long while until her limping figure disappeared from view
on the horizon. When she was gone, regret and shame
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flooded Sarah, flushing out her fury. She hated Hager, she
hated Abraham, but most of all, she hated herself. Hager
staggered along the road to shore on the way to Egypt.
She had covered miles and miles since her confrontation with SARAHI.
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Black and purple bruises flecked with a yellowy green began
rising from her skin. Where Sarai had struck her. She
wandered with nothing but the clothes on her back. Her
stomach growled and her throat was dry. She hoped she
would happen upon travelers who would take pity on her
and give her shelter and protection, but she had seen
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no one on the road since she fled that morning.
Thirst buzzed in the back of her mind like a pest,
and even the dull, throbbing headache could not be quieted.
She saw a modest spring up ahead off the road
and quickened her pace. She carefully navigated the steep drop
off the road to access the trickling water. She protectively
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held her belly as she sidestepped down the hill. She
collapsed to her knees, cupped her hands, and greedily dreamt
the water from the stream. After several gasping gulps of water,
she realized how quiet the world around her had become.
The insects, birds, and even the breeze around her had ceased.
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She looked over her shoulder up toward the road and
beheld an otherworldly being staring at her. She yelped in
surprise and fell backward, catching herself on her elbows.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Hagar, you do not know me, but you know the
God of Israel. I serve I come to you now
on his behalf.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Hagar was too stunned to say anything, and dumbly gaped
at the figure. The messenger came down the hill and
stretched out his hand to Hagar. The gesture was so
kind and so human that, despite the messenger's appearance, Hagar
hesitantly took his hand, and he helped her to her feet.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Hagar, tell me where do you come from? And where
are you going?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
How is it that you know my name?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I know many things. You come from Egypt, and you
are a handmaiden to Sarah. But now I ask you,
so tell me where did you come from? And where
are you going?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I am running away from my lady, said I.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The messenger smiled at Hagar. He seemed to take in
her measure. Hagar knew she should probably be afraid. That
she was struck by the kindness of his presence. She
could sense power as well, great power, but she knew
instinctively that no harm would come to her.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Hagar, the God I spoke of, I am here to
speak to you on his behalf. He would have me
tell you two things. First, I would ask something of you.
You are to go back to your lady and submit
to her authority.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Hagar's eyes widened at this, but the messenger.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Continued, second, I would give you something.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Hagar's heart leaped to be given anything by such a
figure of authority. She sucked in her breath. The God
Most High will give you a great family. He will
greatly multiply your offspring, and they will be too many
to count. The child growing in your wound now will
be a son. You are to name him Ishmael. The
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God most High has seen everything that has happened to you.
He has heard both the longings of your heart and
seen the abuse that has befallen you. Hagar started at that.
She was humbled to have drawn the attention of Abram's god.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
I will tell you more about the son you will
bear Ishmael. When he grows to be a man, he
will be like a wild dalky. His hands will be
against everyone, and every one's hands will be against him.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Hagar did not understand the full meaning of what the
messenger was telling her, but she assumed that she would
come to understand in time.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
His great family will be settled. From Havellah to Shure
and they will all be together.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Hagar was amazed at the words of the messenger. She
wondered at the power and authority of his God.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I am honored that you would come to me that
your God even knows who I am. You have said
his name is God most High, and I have called
him the God of Abram. But now I will give
him a new name. Your God has seen me something
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so few have done, so I would call him el Roy,
the God who sees.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Hagar did as the messenger of Elroy, as she named
him bid. She returned to her lady Sarah and submitted
herself to her authority. Sarah's anger had simmered, and an
icy indifference settled in its place. She took Hagar back
into her care to await the child's birth, but the
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rift between the women had been set. Abram had struggled
with his decision as to what to do in the
conflict between his wife and the would be mother of
his child. When Hagar ran away due to Serah's harsh
dealings with her, Abram was overcome with guilt. He felt
that he had failed again. He cried out to his
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God about what to do or how to proceed, but
When Hagar returned, he rejoiced and took it as a
sign that he was to continue with the plan to
adopt the child as his heir. When the day finally
came for Hagar to bear her son, she sent word
to Abram about the name.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Master Abram.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Congratulations, Hagar has born your son. That's wonderful news. Eliezer,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yes, it is Master Abram. But there's more.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Hagar has asked me to relay the message that the
boy's name.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Would be Ishmael. What did you say?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Her name is to be Ishmael? Why would she ask
for anything else? Her name is to be Ishmael. Why
would she ask for the name to be a Hebrew
name for anything? I would think she'd ask for one
that's Egyptian.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The name means god hears.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Abram wondered at the name. He had thought that everything
had been said right and that his God was affirming
his decision. How strange that this significant name would come
through the woman he and his wife had treated so badly.
Abram could not shake the feeling that, in taking matters
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
You've drawn the attention of Pharaoh's officials, and because of
that we should be prepared to tell them you're my sister,
not my wife. Now this is for your protection as
well as my own. If you've drawn the eye of
a prominent Egyptian as your brother, my life would be spared.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
So you'd lie.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's not an outright lie. We do share a father, Abram.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
You would tell a half truth and deny me the
protection of my husband. Lie to spare yourself and ship
me off to an Egyptian warlord.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
My name is Hagard. Is there anything else I can
get you?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Master Abram, as my servant piqued your interest, consider her
a part of my daddy, a gift for bringing me
such a lovely wife.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
She fumed that the only kindness her husband seemingly had
to spare was for some stranger, and not his own wife.
Abram couldn't bring himself to fully admit what had happened
in Egypt, certainly not to Sarah, perhaps some day, but
the failure still haunted him deeply.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And you speak often for your legacy and the nation
you are building. I do not mean to overreach But
how do you plan to secure your line of inheritance
without a son or any children? For that matter, have
you named an heir?
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Abraham, Do not be anxious, and do not worry about
the opinions of others. I have not forgotten about the
promise I have made you.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
God most High, I know what you have promised me.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
But how can you count the stars? Abram? You cannot,
for there are too many. It is impossible. It is
to be the same with your offspring. The great nation
I shall make through your air would be as innumerable
as the stars in the night sky.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
That night, under a canopy of stars and uncertainty, Sarai,
despite her tears, felt comforted. Abram had failed her. But
the God of Abram wouldn't. Sarah's hands tremored slightly as
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she grasped the clay pitcher. Whether from age or pure apprehension,
she was not sure. That morning she had known. At daybreak,
she opened her eyes to find the sun screaming through
a jagged tear in the tent roof. She had watched
the black goat hairs of the tent fabric slowly lose
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their luster and then deteriorate a little more each day
until a slender scene began to form. She eyed the
scene every morning and evening, wondering when it would finally
burst open. And today it finally happened. Yes, today was
going to be the day. She felt the anxiety building
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in her bones and her patience some raveling like the
fabric above her head. She could not let it go
on a moment longer. Action had to be taken.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Hagar, come here, Yes, Meridi, I must speak with my husband.
But you are not dismissed yet. I will have need
of you, so do not go far.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, Maldi ten years that's what that hole in her
tent had come to represent. These nomadic tents had become
their home while they waited on a promise from Abram's god.
Her gone too. She had seen his power when he
rescued her from the hands of Pharaoh himself. But she
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wondered as the walls around her began to crumble and
her body steadily declined of old age. If there had
been some kind of mistake. Was there some sign or
direction they had missed along the way. Incalculable scores of
descendants and possession of this land were what was promised
to Abram, But A nagging suspicion had begun to worm
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its way into her mind. Was she to be a
part of this grand design? Was she perhaps the roadblock?
Was she the hold up, the mistake? She pushed the
thoughts away, stuffed them deep inside herself.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Lady Sarah, I received word that you sent for me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, Eliezer, I did. I would like you to intercept
my husband before he makes plans to join his friends
for dinner this evening. I would like him to dine
with me. I must speak with him. This is very important, Eliezer.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Yes, Lady Sirrih, I understand. I will do as you ask.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Sara I shakily set the pitcher down on the table
and began gathering the cups and readying the table for
their meal, losing herself once more in her brooding. Not
having children had long set her apart. Other women simply
didn't know what to talk to her about. Their whole
worlds were oriented around their children, and men didn't quite
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know what to make of her either. She was the
wife of a prominent clan leader, without the responsibilities of
child rearing to occupy her time. It was a life
of solitude. She had never asked for she had even
lost her reluctant companion in Lot's wife when they decided
to settle miles away in Sodom. Even more than the
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loneliness of her life and station, the overwhelming feeling of
inadequacy g nor at Sarah. She had buried the wound
of her infertility deep within herself long ago, But what
she would never dare speak aloud was this. She had
never felt like a whole person because of it, So
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she hid behind her mask of self sufficiency and duty.
She ran her household, honored her husband, and oversaw their affairs.
She was the portrait of her Hebrew wife, Lady.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Sarah, the meal is almost ready for you, and Master Abram,
thank you Mare.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
With nothing else to nervously fill her time, she began
to pace the length of the tent back and forth.
For ten years. She wondered at the promise spoken over
their lives. Fear that she had done something wrong, or
perhaps had not done enough, manifested her creeping doubt in
her heart. Old insecurities clawed their way to the surface,
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refusing to stay where she had long ago locked them away.
They ate away at her faith, like the fraying of
their tent. They demanded action. They gave her a sense
of urgency and need to take matters into her own hands. Maybe,
just maybe she had to be the one to fix it.
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She refused to be the cause of failure. She could
not stomach this being her shortcoming. An idea had taken root,
and the more she stewed on it, the more sure
she felt.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Lady Sirri, I have found your husband. Will you be
requiring anything else before I tell the servants you're ready
for your meal?
Speaker 7 (07:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Thank you, Eliezer, that will be all.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Sir I. I am always honored to dine with you,
But what's with all the urgency informality?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
A well, Abram, I have something I need to discuss
with you.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Sarah paused as the servants brought in food and wine.
She knew Abram could detect her nervousness immediately, after all,
they had been married for over fifty years, but he
respectfully held his silence and allowed her to take the
time to prepare for what she had to say. Sarah
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only resumed her conversation with her husband once the servants
were gone.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Abram, I have been giving this a lad of thought.
It has been ten years since we arrived in Canaan,
and God has promised you a mighty legacy and possession
of this land. You told me that he confirmed this
promise in the most binding method of our culture, through covenant.
You said that your offspring would come from your flesh
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and blood. I have never been able to conceive, and
in the ten years since we heard this promise, that
hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Abram reached over the table to grasp her trembling hand.
Abram's touch did not ease her discomfort. It had been
fifty years of reassuring glances, squeezes of the hand, and
words of affection, but never once did Abram ever say
the words she desperately longed for. You are enough for me.
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She swallowed, steeled herself, let go of her pride, and said.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I would have you achieved this promise another way. I
would present my maid to you so that you could
conceive a child with her. The child would be of
your flesh and blood, and you would only have to
adopt him as your heir. In that way, we would
achieve God's promise to us. We could build our family
through this child you would conceive with another.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Sorry, you would do that for us. I would.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It is the most logical path forward, and you would
have the authority to make it so according to our laws.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Sara I watched as Abram considered her words. She knew
the events in Egypt had affected him deeply. He had
come very close to losing her entirely.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
He was as.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Stubborn as she was in admitting his own failures. She
supposed he found it easier to bury them as well.
He had been doing his best to mend what had
been lost. She could acknowledge that it had taken a
great deal of time to walk back the trust between them.
They had made progress, but Abram still seemed unsure at
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times about how to re engage, and she in turn
did not know what to tell him or where to begin.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Sorry, this offer is very generous. You have moved me
greatly in your commitment to what our God has promised us.
I will do what you.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
Have asked of me. I will accept.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Sharp pangs of emotion welled up unexpectedly from within her.
This wasn't what she wanted. Yes, this was what she
had planned, and she thought she had the resolve to
see it through. But it wasn't until now that she
realized she didn't want him to grant her this request,
and so readily she knew her suggestion was logical and strategic,
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But what she had failed to consider was her desperate
desire for validation. To her great surprise, she realized at
this moment that she craved comfort, the very thing she
could not bring herself to ask for outright. All she
wanted was for him to tell her that she was
a whole person, with or without a child, that she
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was enough, promise or no promise of a legacy. These
thoughts screened at her from the depths of her very soul.
She had tamped down those old hurts, but here they
were threatening to burst out of her. At long last,
she was right. She wasn't enough. Her husband's acceptance of
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her plan proved all her insecurities right. The realization stopped
her in her tracks and rendered her silent. She had
laid this trap for herself, and now she was snared
like a rabbit. She had no choice but to go
through with it. She could not now deny her husband
the very solution he had been looking for. She could
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not fail him in this. She would not fail him
in this, and so she stayed silent. Hagar now stood
before her lady and her master. She had never held
an audience with them both before. She had been given
to Abram in Egypt, and he, in turn gave her
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to his wife, Sarah. Hagar had been her maid ever since.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Abram, I present you with Hagar, as you once gave
her to me as a gift. I now present her
to you so that we may build our family.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Hagar blinked in surprise, but kept her head bowed politely.
She peered up at her master and lady in the
tense silence. This exchange seemed so formal, so restrained between them.
Perhaps this was yet another strange custom these Hebrews held.
Hagar had always found it strange that Abram had not
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taken an additional wife or concubine. She was equally surprised
that Abram had not made advances toward her, as all
her previous masters had done. All her life, Hagar had
been a slave and came to understand that nothing, not
even her own body, was her own. Hagar barely remembered
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the village she came from, or even the faces of
the pair and who sold her. All she remembered was
that they told her it was a great honor to
be selected for pharaoh, but even that honor had been
taken away from her when she was given away without
a second.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Thought, Hagar, you will go with my husband and lie
with him until you conceive a child. I will relieve
you of your duties until the child is born. The
child you bear him will become our heir. Do you
understand what I am asking of you?
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yes, Malidia, I understand. As you command me. I will
do as you ask.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so Hagar did as her lady instructed. That very night,
she was escorted to her lord's tent. Her lady Sarah
was there to open the entrance. As Hager entered, she
saw her lady's face illuminated by torchlight. Hatred was painted
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on the creases of her eyes. Was that hatred toward
her or perhaps to Abram?
Speaker 6 (15:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Hager had lived in hollow palaces long enough to recognize
a woman who hated herself. Her night with Abram was
a gentle and brief affair. She was not abused or belittled.
Amid it all, Hagar could not help but wonder if this
was the beginning of something good for her. Perhaps she
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could be more than a slave. True to her word,
Sarah I relieved Hagar from her duties, ensuring that she
would be looked after for the duration of her pregnancy.
For the first time in Hager's life, she had meals
brought to her, She had someone else to mend and
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wash her clothes, and her living space was kept neat
and clean. Most crucially, there was no one telling her
what to do. To someone who had never had anything,
this was everything she felt significant, and it gave her
a glimpse into a future where she wasn't a slave
to the whims of others. She began to dream of
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things that had never been accessible to her before, a family,
and perhaps even a legacy of her own. If Abram
and Sarah could hope for such a thing, why not her?
Was she not bringing this about for them? In fact,
they couldn't do this without her. If Abram could adopt
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her son, why could he not legitimize Hager as well.
Time passed and the pains of pregnancy began. First, she
noticed the fatigue. Hager knew the tiredness that came from
a long day of work, but this was a lethargy
she had never known. But when the nausea began, she
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knew with certainty. As her belly grew, so did her
resentment of Sarah. She hated that she would be denied
the child grown inside of her. She hated that she
would return to the life she had before, But most
of all, she hated that Sarah would get everything she
wanted and Hagar again would be left with nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Good morning, Hagar, I received word that you are now showing.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I am, lady, as you can see well.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I came to see you and see how you are progressing.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I am how you see, lady? The babe grows each day.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And the midwife says the baby is healthy. Are you
heeding everything she says?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hagar's hatred of Sarah could be contained no longer. Sarah
came to her and asked these questions and similar ones
almost every day. Hagar's frustration at her fraud situation boiled.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Over nothing but a mayor to you to be broken
in bread. However you see fit, you will snatch this
child of mine and the moment it is free, and
claim it as your own. But why should you have
a say at all? It is Abrahm who chose me,
and it is I who was up to this task.
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When you were not, Why should I not be.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Rewarded with that?
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Hagar stormed off before Sarah could open her mouth to
say a word. Hagar's words hung in the air moments
after she left, and Sarah was rendered utterly speechless. Would
this woman take her child? Would Abram in fact come
to favor Hagar once she bore a child of his flesh?
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Fear surged through her veins and kicked up fury in
its wake. Sarah I had done the noble thing. She
sacrificed her pride in granting her husband this path toward
a child, and this was to be how she was
to be repaid. Her anger cra called toward her husband.
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He had, without a moment's hesitation, set her aside. The
boldness of her handmaiden could be dealt with later, but
first her husband. Sarah I knew Abram would be heading
out toward the fields today. She marched back to their
tent and cornered him as he prepared to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Abram, Sir, I, what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Tell me the truth? Have you given Hagar any reason
to believe that she may keep our child?
Speaker 7 (19:32):
What?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Of course not? Why would you ask me such a thing?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Have you told her that you prefer her to me?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Of course, Not where is this coming from. I've only
done what you've asked me to do.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
What I asked you to do. Ah, but oh how
quickly you agreed. Not a moment's hesitation for your wife,
Not one moment to consider why I asked you to
do it or how I felt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Sarah, you asked me to do this. Why would you
ask this of me if you didn't want it? I
wanted to please you, so I did what you requested
of me.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh? Is that why you did it to please me?
That is why you swiftly and gingerly took the slave
to your bed to please me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Sure, Abram, but you were so sure, you were so
bold and confident with this plan. How was I to
know you were holding back your true feelings? Was it
a trap you laid for me? I've been trying desperately
to be a better husband, a better man for you.
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I was moved that you were so invested in the promise.
How God made us. I thought this would make you happy.
This business with Hagar will give us a child at last.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
No, Abram, this business with Hagar will give you a child.
It's your child, Your promise your legacy, your divine calling
with some god I have yet to hear from. Perhaps
in the midst of it all, I would have a
consolation prize, a husband who loves me and won't ship
me off to Pharaoh or leave me into the arms
of some slave.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Sarah, I am not leaving you.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I am not.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Whatever kindness you have shown this woman has made her
hate me and desire you. This woman who should have
been our ally has become my enemy. She hates me.
You agreed to this plan, so I hold you responsible.
What I had hoped would help has only come back
to harm me. May God judge between.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Me and you, Sarai, these are strong words. You give
me no choice but to give you justice. Do what
you please with the girl. You can decide what is
to be done with her.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Sarah I turned on her heel and left their tent.
Satisfaction was not complete in her eyes, not even close,
but at least she would have her justice. She found
Hager and confronted her, rage roaring in her ears.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
You there, Hagar, how dare you speak to me as
you did earlier? Who do you think you are?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You have given your husband to me, and I have
done what you could not. Why should my station not
be elevated? Who is to say that Abram will not
decide between us.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I am your lady, and you are mine to do
with as I please. Even the child growing inside you
is mine to do with as I please. I have
given you nothing.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
You are nothing, Sarah struck Hagar with her final words.
Hagar fell to the ground, and Sarah felt the leash
on her anger slip even further as she continued her
assault on a defenseless Hagar. Over and over again, she yelled,
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you are.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Nothing, You are nothing, You are nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Sarah I was too enraged to know if she was
yelling these insults at Hagar or herself. Panting and exhausted,
SARAHI finally collapsed to her knees, trembling. The air between
the two women was still taut, like the string on
a bow. Hager winced as she uncurled herself from the
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protective ball she had formed around her head and pregnant belly.
She peered up at SARAHI, tears brimming in her eyes.
Sarah was still panting and glaring at her, but still
as death. Hager tentatively propped herself up with her elbow,
Weighing how Sarah would respond to her movement, Sarah stared
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at her in lethal silence, but didn't move to strike
or stop her. Haiger pushed herself to her feet, shaking.
Sarah watched her but made no movement. Sensing this may
be her only opportunity, Hager turned and stumbled away as
quickly as she could. She did not want to allow
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her lady time to change her mind. Hager broke into
a limping run as she fled from Abram and Saya's camp.
She had no plan and nowhere to go, but instinctively
ran east toward Egypt. Sarah I stared after Hager for
a long while until her limping figure disappeared from view
on the horizon. When she was gone, regret and shame
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flooded Sarah, flushing out her fury. She hated Hager, she
hated Abraham, but most of all, she hated herself. Hager
staggered along the road to shore on the way to Egypt.
She had covered miles and miles since her confrontation with SARAHI.
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Black and purple bruises flecked with a yellowy green began
rising from her skin. Where Sarai had struck her. She
wandered with nothing but the clothes on her back. Her
stomach growled and her throat was dry. She hoped she
would happen upon travelers who would take pity on her
and give her shelter and protection, but she had seen
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no one on the road since she fled that morning.
Thirst buzzed in the back of her mind like a pest,
and even the dull, throbbing headache could not be quieted.
She saw a modest spring up ahead off the road
and quickened her pace. She carefully navigated the steep drop
off the road to access the trickling water. She protectively
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held her belly as she sidestepped down the hill. She
collapsed to her knees, cupped her hands, and greedily dreamt
the water from the stream. After several gasping gulps of water,
she realized how quiet the world around her had become.
The insects, birds, and even the breeze around her had ceased.
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She looked over her shoulder up toward the road and
beheld an otherworldly being staring at her. She yelped in
surprise and fell backward, catching herself on her elbows.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Hagar, you do not know me, but you know the
God of Israel. I serve I come to you now
on his behalf.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Hagar was too stunned to say anything, and dumbly gaped
at the figure. The messenger came down the hill and
stretched out his hand to Hagar. The gesture was so
kind and so human that, despite the messenger's appearance, Hagar
hesitantly took his hand, and he helped her to her feet.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Hagar, tell me where do you come from? And where
are you going?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
How is it that you know my name?
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I know many things. You come from Egypt, and you
are a handmaiden to Sarah. But now I ask you,
so tell me where did you come from? And where
are you going?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I am running away from my lady, said I.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The messenger smiled at Hagar. He seemed to take in
her measure. Hagar knew she should probably be afraid. That
she was struck by the kindness of his presence. She
could sense power as well, great power, but she knew
instinctively that no harm would come to her.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
Hagar, the God I spoke of, I am here to
speak to you on his behalf. He would have me
tell you two things. First, I would ask something of you.
You are to go back to your lady and submit
to her authority.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Hagar's eyes widened at this, but the messenger.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Continued, second, I would give you something.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Hagar's heart leaped to be given anything by such a
figure of authority. She sucked in her breath. The God
Most High will give you a great family. He will
greatly multiply your offspring, and they will be too many
to count. The child growing in your wound now will
be a son. You are to name him Ishmael. The
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God most High has seen everything that has happened to you.
He has heard both the longings of your heart and
seen the abuse that has befallen you. Hagar started at that.
She was humbled to have drawn the attention of Abram's god.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
I will tell you more about the son you will
bear Ishmael. When he grows to be a man, he
will be like a wild dalky. His hands will be
against everyone, and every one's hands will be against him.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Hagar did not understand the full meaning of what the
messenger was telling her, but she assumed that she would
come to understand in time.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
His great family will be settled. From Havellah to Shure
and they will all be together.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Hagar was amazed at the words of the messenger. She
wondered at the power and authority of his God.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I am honored that you would come to me that
your God even knows who I am. You have said
his name is God most High, and I have called
him the God of Abram. But now I will give
him a new name. Your God has seen me something
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so few have done, so I would call him el Roy,
the God who sees.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Hagar did as the messenger of Elroy, as she named
him bid. She returned to her lady Sarah and submitted
herself to her authority. Sarah's anger had simmered, and an
icy indifference settled in its place. She took Hagar back
into her care to await the child's birth, but the
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rift between the women had been set. Abram had struggled
with his decision as to what to do in the
conflict between his wife and the would be mother of
his child. When Hagar ran away due to Serah's harsh
dealings with her, Abram was overcome with guilt. He felt
that he had failed again. He cried out to his
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God about what to do or how to proceed, but
When Hagar returned, he rejoiced and took it as a
sign that he was to continue with the plan to
adopt the child as his heir. When the day finally
came for Hagar to bear her son, she sent word
to Abram about the name.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Master Abram.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Congratulations, Hagar has born your son. That's wonderful news. Eliezer,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yes, it is Master Abram. But there's more.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (31:27):
Hagar has asked me to relay the message that the
boy's name.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Would be Ishmael. What did you say?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Her name is to be Ishmael? Why would she ask
for anything else? Her name is to be Ishmael. Why
would she ask for the name to be a Hebrew
name for anything? I would think she'd ask for one
that's Egyptian.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The name means god hears.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Abram wondered at the name. He had thought that everything
had been said right and that his God was affirming
his decision. How strange that this significant name would come
through the woman he and his wife had treated so badly.
Abram could not shake the feeling that, in taking matters
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into their own hands, they had indeed fallen short. This
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Chosen People. Narrated by Paul Coltofianu. Characters are voiced by
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Jonathan Cotton, Aaron Salvado, Sarah Seltz, Mike Reagan, Stephen Ringwold,
Sylvia Zaradoc, Thomas Copeland Junior, Rosanna Pilcher, and Mitch Leshinsky.
Music by Andrew Morgan Smith, written by Aaron Salvato, bre
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