June 23, 2024 • 46 mins
Trump loves Milwaukee! Black voters breaking from Biden? Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds on why Trump will win. Dr. Ben Carson for VP?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things the
election coverage.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I want to focus in on Wisconsin for a moment,
as you know, that's where the RNC will be and
it may very well be the single most important state
in this entire election cycle. I think the likelihood that
it is so go with Wisconsin, so go with the
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election is very high. So you can imagine the amount
of the dollars that are going to be put into
the state of IYO are going to be absolutely immense
to try to sway the public to vote for one
candidate or the other.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's for sure. The RNC is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Clay and I will both be there in Wisconsin that
for that week in Milwaukee. I have never spent that
much time in Wisconsin, so I am very much looking
forward to it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And this has cut three.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Trump himself is saying he loves Wisconsin, Milwaukee specifically. In fact,
he says he's the one that picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh, and you know, I love Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was the one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have to tell you, I was the one that
picked it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
These lion people that they say, oh, he doesn't like Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I love Milwaukee. I said, you got to fix the crime.
We all know that, you got.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
To make sure of the election's on us. But I'm
the one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And the Democrats or the radical left lunatics.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
As I call him, what they say is just so terrible.
They lie, lie, lie.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They have a horrible candidate.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
They have a candidate that has no clue, doesn't know
where he is, and all.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They can do is lie. I love it. I'm the
one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Officially, he's saying he's the one that said it should
be Milwaukee for the RNC. So we'll be doing the
show live from there that week and bringing you all
of the all of the atmospherics in the ground truth
we can from that. I think we're also hosting an event.
Klay and I are hosting an event together at the RNC.
So a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff going
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on there. And he went on obviously Trump campaigning in
Wisconsin because, as I said, it is an absolutely critical
battleground state.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And he went on to.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Address some of the failings of the Biden regime and
specifically that Biden. If you think that the perception of
other countries, especially allies and enemies, matters, If you think
that foreign policy at any level is important to this country,
and I think that we all do, you got to
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see that what Joe Biden is doing is a mess.
Is a is a constant game of trying to deal
with the failures and patch up the holes, so to speak.
This is Trump has cut four saying that Biden is
just humiliating the country on the world stage.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Joe Biden is humiliating our country on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's actually humiliating us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's sew what happened this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's turning the United States into a total joke.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
First, he wandered off the G seven in Europe the stage.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You look like he.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Didn't know where the hell he was. But he didn't
know where he was. He's blaming it now on AI.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He's saying he doesn't know what AI is.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now they're saying the media is manipulat. Oh, he's saying
the media is manipulating now on that one.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I have to stick up for the media. I have
to tell you he said, the media is manipulating the
pictures of him constantly not knowing where the hell he is.
They're doing just the opposite, They're.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Making the look better.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Is it it amazing that the claim that the Biden
camp makes that the media is somehow against Biden with
these videos goes against everything that we see, which is
that the videos are just as I said, observation, It
is just a a objective reality, and the media's job
is to try to undermine that objective reality on Biden's behalf,
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to limit to suppress the distribution of that reality however
they can, and to create an alternative narrative, namely that
there is some insidious effort to make Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Appear like he's too old and too frail and too senile.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, is that an effort or is that again observation.
That's the big difference here and on the world stage issue.
I would just say the fact that the Biden White
House is canceling a meeting between Biden and net Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It stage just goes to show you that he.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Is Joe Biden is the ultimate politician in the sense
that it is never about what is good or right
or true. Ultimate Democrat politician. Perhaps it's about what is
useful to him politically in the moment, and the knife
in the back of the Israeli people from Joe Biden
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from his administration could not be more obvious and apparent.
We know why it is that Biden has decided suddenly
or relatively recently to start to hedge his support for Israel.
It's because he is worried, not just about we talk
about Muslim voters in Michigan, but he's concerned about the
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far left base which gets so energized on the issue
of Palestine. You should ask Palestinians, you should ask why
that is. I noted this morning, you know, big, big
story in the New York Times about how there are
Arab Muslim militias in the Darfur region of Sudan. This
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is that they are the new version of what were
the known as the Janjaweed militias before which engaged in
genocide and the genocide in Darfur. They were a government
militia and now this is the new generation of it.
But it's Arab Arab Muslim militants who are murdering, raping
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and starving to death Black Africans as opposed to the
Arab Muslims of the of the militias. They're starving them
to death and there already have been tens of thousands
of people killed by them, and you would wonder, Okay,
this is a horrible situation. We've heard of darfour. We
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know that Sudan broke into multiple countries. You've got South
Sudan now, and you know there are these RSF militias
that are surrounding a city in Darfur, the Darfur region,
of almost two million peoples. There's a lot by the way,
that's the same number of people that are in Gaza,
same number of people roughly, I mean, you know, Gaza
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I think is about two million, one point six or
one point eight million, something like that. But they're surrounding
these people, and there are massive refugee camps. I mean,
it's an absolute mess. And you have Arab Muslims behind this, uh,
you know who comprise this militia who are killing people
and using rape as a weapon of war.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Where are the protests in streets about this?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Why isn't there equivalent anger from the American left about
this issue? I've brought up before in Yemen, You've had
tens of thousands of people killed in the Many Civil War,
and certainly you could call different aspects of that genocide,
could make the case. And yet there have been no
protests in the streets. You don't have people walking around
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with cafeas on and saying that the United States is
a party to genocide, even though guess what we were
the ones providing the Saudis with the munitions that were
being used to fight against the Huthi militants and Yemen bad.
You know, they don't pay attention to any of this.
Why the issue of Jews and Palestinians gets so much
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more attention from the American left is I think something
you need to always remember. They viewed as a white
versus Brown conflict, and they view it as a Jewish
oppressor of Muslims conflict. And that is why what's going
on in Sudan right now again Darfur in the southwest
corner of Sudan. That's why it doesn't get any attention
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from the Okay, I know the New York Times is
writing about it, but I'm talking when I say attention,
and I mean political mobilization. We've seen what they've done
over Gaza. We've seen the campus protests and people shouting
at Biden and shouting at Kamala, and all the rage
and the marching through the streets and the protests and everything.
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Where if it's about protecting human life and the ending
of genocide, why isn't the slow motion mass murder of
black Africans by Muslim Arabs in Sudan something that gets
the left. We all know the answers, right, we all understand.
So I think it's worth pointing that out. That Joe
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Biden is doing what he does on the state of
Israel right now because all his talk about how we're
a good ally to Israel and we care so much
about them, that's because it's to his and the Democrats'
political advantage. The second that changes, it's snubbing net Nyaho,
calling for more accountability from the Israelis, slow rolling weapons
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shipments to them, I mean doing really a betrayal of
an ally, is what you were seeing. So it's not
just that Biden is a dotting fool, which he is,
it's that he's a dishonest and destructive one too, which
I think is obviously even worse.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If you're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact
with Clay and.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Buck I would say things continue to look bad for
Joe Biden out there in the polling marketplace, but also
just the discussion marketplace that is so much of the
public perception. Let me give you a couple of data
points out there, number one, and I want to unpack
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this with you a little bit. Here, Buck, the Iowa
poll that we reference, that's done by the Des Moines Register,
by this sort of pole wizard, has Donald Trump up
eighteen points. Reminder, Trump won Iowa by eight in twenty twenty.
I want to talk a bit about that with you. Also,
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there is an economist sort of running tallly on what
they expect to see from the election. Joe Biden now
is down to Donald Trump in the probability that they
that he will win the election seventy two to twenty eight.
The economist is not a partisan news outlet, so to speak.
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It's very obviously as you would.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Expect business, not a Trump partisan news.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Outlet, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yes, And for Trump to have opened in their tallly,
which looks at polling, which looks at economic indicators, for
him to have opened a seventy two to twenty eight
lead is pretty seismic.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So Buck, I want to hit you with this.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I went back and I looked, and I said, okay,
let's have an actual conversation about the data, not only
in Iowa, but how it has traditionally trend. And you
mentioned earlier in the first hour, Trump up eighteen fifty
to thirty two nine for RFK junior, Joe Biden's approval
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down to twenty eight percent. This is the des Moines
Register and Seltzer poll that she has been doing for
years and years. And to put this into context, a
couple of different points here that I think are very significant.
First of all, Ann Selzer's been doing these Des Moines
Register polls for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Do you remember buck.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
In twenty twenty in the fall when she went from
in June of twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump
was up one. She had Trump up one in Iowa
this time in the four year news cycle that's June
of twenty twenty. September of twenty twenty, she had a
dead tie. In her last poll that she put out,
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she had Trump up seven. He went on to win
Iowa by about eight. This for many people, a wait
a minute, twenty twenty is going to be closer than
many people anticipate because Anzeltz has such a reputation for
nailing what happens in Iowa. But I wanted to hit
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you with a couple of data points here. So she
had Trump winning by seven in her final poll. He
wins by eight. In twenty twenty. She has Trump up
eighteen right now. This time in twenty twenty against Biden,
she had Trump up one, and she has continued to
have Trump continuing to pull away away a bit in
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her overall tally. But Iowa to me is a really
interesting snapshot buck for this reason because if you go back,
Barack Obama won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight,
he won it in two thousand and twelve, and now
you're talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen. What this
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would represent to me? By the way, Obama won Iowa
by fifteen points over John McCain in two thousand and
eight and by five in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney.
So you're talking about a what is that thirty two
point swing basically in uh from two thousand and eight
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to twenty twenty four if her numbers are accurate right now,
And some of you can say, okay, well, Trump's going
to win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa by
eight as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands out
to me about this buck is there are a lot
of polls now that have Trump running about ten points
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better in their state than he did in twenty twenty.
Virginia dead even Biden won by ten. New York now
single digits, where a state that Biden won by about
twenty three, Minnesota very close. My point on this is,
if Trump is gonna win Iowa by eighteen, he's not
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gonna lose Wisconsin, He's not gonna lose Michigan, and he's
not gonna lose Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
If that hit this pole is accurate. Here's how I
here's how I think of the race these days. You know,
if this were a marathon, Trump is way out ahead.
It's you know, mile eighteen or something. I mean, it's
deep into this and unless somebody runs into the course
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and like pushes him to the ground or he you know,
gets a stress fracture in his foot, I'm talking, you
know about the marathon analogy here. Unless something crazy happens,
this is heading for a Trump win. But we can't
rule out the crazy happening because of what is what's
been going on. I mean, if someone has sent you
in twenty nineteen, Donald Trump is going to have a
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booming economy. Everything's amazing. We're not at war, No Russia
in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
None of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You see how happening right now in the Middle East
with the you know, the enemies of Israel just doing
everything they can to destabilize the region. But that there'd
be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated and
entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be a
series of race riots all summer, and that Donald Trump
would would not end up being the president afterwards. You
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would have sounded crazy. I just think that we have
to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have to
remember there's this very real possible It's not just a
possibility cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a mind
blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so called intelligentsia.
The twenty twenty I think was a shock to the
American people and to the whole world because of COVID
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and this time around Clay I just think that the Rumsfeld,
the unknown unknown is what is is what is the
concern here? Because I'm at a point now where I
cannot think of what they would do that would be
kind of normal order of business, is standard operating procedure,
even for Democrats, which means a lot of dirty tricks
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and a lot of things that.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I would expect.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I can't anticipate what the thing would be that would
change this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
The only thing that I can see.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, I know there's a theory about their placement, and
I'm not I'm not sitting here saying that can happen.
I'm just thinking I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean,
you know, anything is possible. I do think that the
debate is what they're This is going to be the
highest stakes presidential debate in memory, because I think it
can either be the beginning of a new trend for
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Biden or it could be they need to do something
crazy to figure this out. Right, So that's that's how
I'm seeing it. Because the Iowa numbers, Nobody who follows
politics Clay can dismiss those Iowa numbers.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Nobody. No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll
or I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That those numbers are catastrophic for Biden in a state
that has real implications for the Democrats strategy, which is
to win the russ b states. Not only that, to
your point, I even think the poll, I mean, sorry,
the debate next week, next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
For Biden.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The problem that Biden has is, even if they shoot
him up with every drug known to man, and he
goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,
that's what he did at the State of the Union,
and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They
can't hide him in the basement in the same way
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that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead
him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration
just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether
it was at the G seven where at times it
appears that he loses his train of thought as to
where he is. That to me, is the problem for him.
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Even if they shoot him up with everything and he
does okay June twenty seventh, there's going to be a
viral video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within
the next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see
on June twenty seven. And that's a best case scenario.
He could also freeze up like he did at the
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June teenth celebration, and like he did at the Obama
big fundraiser out in LA. That could happen for him again.
And what do you say at that point in time
and all of this rolls in together, Buck, I want
to play this audio for you of CNN. This is
the other thing we've been talking about. Black voters under
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the age of fifty, That is, younger Black voters, particularly men,
are breaking away from Joe Biden right now in numbers
that stagger even CNN. I believe this is Harry Inton
on CNN taught with Jim Acosta of all people, talking
about the numbers and how very strong they are for
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Trump and bad they are for Biden on black black voters.
Listen to cut one.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy cow, folks,
holy col look at us. Joe Biden was up by
eighty points among this group back at this point in
twenty twenty. Look at where that margin has careem down
towards It's now just get this, thirty seven points. That
lead has dropped.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
By more than half.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Mister Berman home, I just never seen anything like this.
I'm like speechless because you always look at history and
you go, Okay, this is a historic moment. If this
polling is anywhere near correct, we are looking at an
historic moment right now where Black voters under the age
of fifty, which have historically been such a big part
of the Democratic coalition, are leaving it in droves.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I think this is real, and I know we've got
a bet about this, But older black voters, if you
grew up in the Civil rights movement, you're still connected
to the Democrat Party. I think younger black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,
they don't have that same allegiance under the age of fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, there's a couple things happening here. One is in
that bet I will like, I truly don't believe that
Biden is going to be replaced. And that's why I
bet that way the younger black mail voter bet we have.
I'm emotionally hedging because I would love for that to
be the case, for them to believe it could happen,
because I refuse to believe it could happen, because I
kind of I've been let down on this one too
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many times where it's all, well, not with Romney, but
you know, last time around with Trump, we thought maybe
we're gonna get more of the black vote. So anyway,
but so's that's emotional hedging. Here's what I think is
going on with the young black mail voters as shown
in the polls right now. One thing is the illegal
immigrant situation I truly believe is resonating within the black community.
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Or remember, you have a lot of illegals who are
showing up in communities where they'll be already a high
minority population. I'm not talking about the ones in the
hotels in Midtown, just broadly speaking, when you have eight
million illegals in four years, they're not going to be
in the in the ritzy neighborhoods, right They're going to
generally be congregating in ethnic enclaves and in places where
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there's a higher minority distribution. And the Democrat Party, if
you just had to make an honest calculation right now,
has Joe bied in for the last four years and
the Democrats overall have they focused more on illegals from
all over the world who just got here. And I
mean in terms of resources. I mean in terms of
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you know, time on TV talking about or young black
men trying to build their careers, make their way up
the economic ladder, create some stability financially, and you know,
a future for themselves. I think the answer is obvious.
I think the answer is obvious even to black Democrats
who absolutely hate Trump, and that's where you're starting to
see some of them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Peel Off, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The allegiance of the older black voters is I would assume,
I would analyze overwhelmingly the sort of narrative and the
goodwill built up over a long time of Oh, Democrats
are the party of civil rights, even though it's not
really true, but put that aside. Democrats are the party
of the quote great society and the massive wealth transfer
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of the welfare state for the last sixty years or so.
So that's where I think that comes from. But you
got to think, if you're a younger male voter who's
a black guy, you're hearing a lot of anti masculine,
anti masculinity stuff which just doesn't resonate. That seems very strange.
You're hearing a lot of interest and effort from the
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Democrats to put up illegals and hotels and get them
work permits and get them and your wages are getting
crushed by all the spending the people who are Inflation
is a tax that disproportionately affects those who don't have assets,
which means people paid by the hour, and a lot
of young black men working hourly waged jobs have got
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to be looking at what's going on, saying, I mean
another you see with Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
They just they're talking about how much money they need
over the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I know people gave me heat for ice said on
this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah, twenty twenty two.
I was like, it's going to cost a trillion dollars
what they're going to do in Ukraine. Now it's guaranteed
to cost a trillion dollars of the tax payer money.
And you know, you talk about the fast food cost,
the fast food wage is even more hurt by all this.
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So that this is why I think it's not just oh,
Trump is like a charismatic guy, and you know that
I think wasn't necessarily. I think it's the illegals, plus
the lack of economic progress, plus the inflationary pressure. People
just realize you're paying more for stuff all the time,
and that's why I think there's an opening.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Yeah, And also I would just close it up by saying,
on this perspective, Biden sold sold a bill of goods
to people. He said things will get better, things will
get more normal. People don't believe that anymore. So in
twenty twenty, people might have bought into the anti Trump argument.
That's ultimately why I think they may pull the rip
cord here, because they could still run the anti Trump
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playbook if they didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh,
you've got an uncertain outcome with the new president, or
you've got Trump who you don't like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think that could factor up in here as well.
You're listening to twenty four The Most Important Tier in
Politics with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, joined by the
Governor of Iowa, Kim Reynolds. Governor Reynolds appreciate you coming
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by spending some time with us today.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Oh hi, Buck, it's great to be with you. I
appreciate the opportunity. So thanks.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Let's launch into this one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, it was we love that we can present
encouraging news out there. The pollster who just had I'm
forgetting and Seltzer I think out of Iowa.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, she showing that Trump.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Is up eighteen points in your state of Iowa, which
just seems like an absolute break the glass moment for
the Democrats here. What can you tell us about this one?
I mean, does that track with what you think is
going on in your state?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Oh? Absolutely, it tracks. You know, we've carried Iowa for
President Trump both times. We did really well the last
cycle here in the state of Iowa. They love his policies.
They are sick and tired of what is coming out
of the Biden administration. They love this country, We love
our freedom and our independence, and we want a president'll
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get this country back on track. And they, without a doubt,
we know that President Trump is the guy that can
do that. On day one, he'll close the border. You know,
we're miles away from the southern border, but every single
governor knows the consequences of his open border, and we're
dealing with it every single day. Coupled with just the
insanity and the weakness on the world stage and just
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the peer incompetence that we see happening with the Biden administration,
and I think you know, I was at an event
last night, a fundraiser, and they're ready to go to
the match. When we talked about President Trump's record and
what he'll do for this country, people were on their
feet and they were clapping and yelling and and really
just they understand the seriousness of this election. They've seen
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firsthand how fast failed leadership can really destroy the greatness
of this country. We always say we're resilient. This country
is resilient, and if we get this election right, I
have no doubt that we'll restore the greatness of this
country and our presence on the world stage. But you know,
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we got to make it happen, and we will make
it happen here in the state of Iowa.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
How is the illegal immigration issue affecting your state. I'm
sure you saw. Biden had this essentially this executive order
amnesty that he announced this week, and it comes at
a time with his number on illegal immigration are really
another big problem from going into this election cycle.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Yeah, I mean, just the insanity of the policies that
he puts in place two weeks ago. First of all,
he said he couldn't use an executive order to do
anything to stop the infiltration of our country. Then he
stands up in an executive order which basically solidifies and
says it's okay to have a certain number of illegals
coming across the border into our country. And you know,
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it just it just there's no consistency. And then he
does the Amnesty Executive Order, which basically sends the message
to the world that we're open the time is now
across across our border illegally, and you'll have a path
to citizenship down the road. So it's it's ridiculous. And
as I said, every single governor is dealing with increase
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in violent crime, drug seizures. George is seeing an increase
in overdose deeps. The funtinel that's coming into our communities
and just killing our children is unconscionable. When you look
at Rachel Moron and a mom of five in Maryland
that was raped and brutally murdered a legal immigrant, you know,
I mean the thirteen year old b girl in New
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York that was abducted and raped. I mean, they can regulate.
The list goes on and on and on, and all
of those did not need to happen. You know, you're
not a country if you don't have a secure border,
and we need to. And that's another reason. I mean,
President Trump on day one will secure the border and
start the deportation of the eleven million in counting or
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ten whatever the number is that have come into our
country illegally.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Do you think that passed the law?
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I don't know if you want to talk about that,
but we actually passed the law to really stop the
revolving door.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
You know here in Iowa we.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Need tell let's let's go dive in.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
We made it a state crime for illegal immigrants to
enter Iowa if they've been denied a mission or deported.
And you know, so we we you know, if the
president again is not going to do his constitutional duty
to protect the American citizens and the sovereignty of our country.
As a governor, my number one priority is to protect
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the health and safety of our citizens. And so I
can tell you without hesitation, if he's not going to
do what he is required to do as the president
of this country, then the states are going to step in.
We we had a you know, Judge enjoined it yesterday
or the day before was probably the most aggressive route
that he could take to block the legislation. But but
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really what we did a little bit different in the
state of Iowa is it doesn't supersede federal law. It
actually codifies in state law what the what the federal law.
That's what's already what the federal already deems illegal. So
we think there's a good possibility that the US Supreme
Court will eventually take up this case. This one, or
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Texas or Oklahoma, I think is all also passed a
similar case. You're probably going to continue to see more
states take a look at this, and we think we
have a strong legal argument to distinguish our law from
the Arizona case that was actually already taken up the
United States Supreme Court in twenty twelve, I think it was.
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But it differs from that again because Arizona's preceded the
federal law. We don't we just codify what is already
federal law. So we don't think the precedent that they
use really applies to this case. And on that case,
there were three justices that dissented, and that included Thomas
and Alito. So you know, again, it just boils back
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to all we're trying to do is enforce the US
immigration laws. We're trying to protect our citizens, and we're
stepping in to do what President Biden has failed to
do his constitutional duty to protect the citizens and the
celebrignty of this country.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
We're speaking to Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds and to that end,
Governor Reynolds, when you talk about stepping up and doing
what's necessary to enforce the law if we have another
Trump presidency, is the state of Iowa prepared on this
issue of illegal immigration to use state resources to help
with enforcement and also with deportation, effectively acting alongside federal
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counterparts to enforce immigration law.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Oh absolutely, that's what I'm trying to do. With the
state law that we passed. We're ready to go. You know.
The unfortunate thing is, you know, we've got President Biden
is bussing and flying illegal immigrants to all parts of
the country. And this is one of the reasons that
makes it so devastating is we have no ideas the
governor of our states, who's coming in to our state.
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We get no advanced notice they're coming in. We had
this happened a couple of years ago with they flu
in the middle of the night fifteen young girls into
the Des Moines airport and then they had three charter
buses on you know, they loaded them up on that
and took them out of the state. And for six
months I tried to get answers from this administration about
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whether they are involved in that or not, and they
continued to deny that they had any involvement in it whatsoever.
And you know, we said, well, we're not going to
let this go because it's either human traffic, you know,
this is human trafficking or something that's going on if
we are going to get to the bottom of it,
and we worked with Senator Grassley who also helped hold
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them accountable, and they finally admitted that, yeah, they were
the ones that had blown them into Iowa in the
middle of the night, unloaded them onto and then loaded
them onto three charter buses. And I don't know where
they went from there, but it's just unconscionable what we
see happening. And you know, if you're a country without borders,
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you're not a country. And it needs to stop. We
need to elect a president that will stop it, that
will do what's already not only the constitutional duty, but
there's statutes federal status you that says you need to
you know, deny and you can't deny or detain and
and basically, as you know, they're just mass parrolling illegal
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immigrants into our country, denying and going against what the
law already says.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And Governor Reynolds, I don't know if you saw this,
but the cover of New York magazine, which is still
a thing still exists, y has a headline that the
main story is are Republican women Okay? And it says
that they're looking at the new mold of Republican womanhood
in the age of Trump and all of its wrath, sweetness, strength,
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and subservience to maga. What do you what do you
make of this? I mean, are they concerned that that
they're not going to.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Be able to thought and we might have an idea. Yeah,
we're ready to go to the mat to defend our
basic freedom and liberty that we don't think government that
the answer that we believe in our people. I mean,
it's in life and liberty and the Second Amendment. It's crazy.
I don't know who said it. We also upset it here,
but I mean, this is from a party that can't
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define a woman. So give me a break. Once they
figure out what a woman is and they stopped trying
to erase women, then maybe they can, you know, enter
into the mix. But listen, I am proud to have
the opportunity to serve the people of Iowa. I actually
was the governor during COVID, and I'm telling you we
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took a different approach than a lot of the other states.
We actually put our trust in faith in the people.
In the people of Iowa. We gave them information every
single day, We passed a lot. We were one of
the first states to get the kids back in the classroom.
We did. You know, we were set alog against taxine
and mask mandates. We kept businesses open. We in Iowa.
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You know, we our farmers produced ten percent of the
nation's food supply, so it was essential that we continued
to keep the food supply chain moving. And you know,
we've got great things happening in the state of Iowa.
Despite the challenges from the Biden administration. We have an
economy that's growing. We're cutting taxes. Starting January one, we'll
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go to a three point eight percent black tax and
naturally cutting government and red tape. I mean, I cut
twenty one agencies from my cabinet. We just get a
realignment with behavioral health, where we went for thirty two
separate agencies down to seven regions to help really align
and provide better resources to Iowance. We actually support our
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law enforcement and we're keeping our communities safe. And that's
a story that plays out in every single state that's
led by a Republican governor. And it is certainly a
contrast to what you're seeing in California and New York
and Minnesota and Illinois. The contrast is stark, and we
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no longer tax retirement or inheritance tax reducing the corporate
We've got a great story to tell and people are
paying attention, and I'm proud of what we're doing. I'm
proud to serve the people of Iowa, and I'm looking
forward to serving and working again with President Trump. When
he did the tax cut in his first four years,
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it really was the jump start for Iowa to go
in in twenty eighteen and really start reducing taxes. And
I've signed five tax reform bills since twenty eighteen. Our
individual income tax rate we had nine brackets eight point
nine eight percent, and as I said, we'll go to
a flat three point eight starting January one, and we're
not done. We're on. We're going to keep lowering that
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tax burden on Iowa's which really helps offset some of
the you know, just the inflationaries.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, the federal pressures on everybody that are out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I look red states like yours that are that are
doing well are clearly part of the overall narrative and
I think helpful to Donald Trump as well as the
rest of the Republicans running for a federal office. Right now,
Governor Reynolds, Iowa, appreciate you being with us and we'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Okay, thanks for letting me Philibuster, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Bye, Javy, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact
with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Right now, doctor Ben Carson is with us, a retired neurosurgeon,
former hud secretary under Trump new book The Perilous Fight
Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family, and doctor
Carson appreciate you joining us. We were just playing a
poll that discussed the increasing amount of support, especially among
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young black voters, that is out there for Donald Trump.
You travel the country a great deal talking to people,
and you have for years.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Do you see that.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you think black voters are more open to Trump
than they were in sixteen or twenty. What are you
seeing out on your travels and your discussions.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yah, there's a big difference between the previous time because
they've had an actual chance to see what he does.
You know, he actually does what he says. He's unlike
most politicians, and he's transparent. You never have to sit
there and wonder what he's thinking. He's going to tell
you what he's thinking. And I think people appreciate that.
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They've also seen the impact of his policies. You know,
the average American had a wage gain of eight point
two percent during the Trump administration and a three point
two percent decrease under Biden. That's a big swing. And
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people feel that when they go to the gas plant,
when they open their utility bills, you know, when they
go to the grocery stores. And I think people recognize
now it's become patently obvious that the media is very
biased and will say whatever they need to say in
order to support the ideology and their candidate, as opposed
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to providing the truth. So people are discounting a lot
of what they took as Gospel before.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Doctor Carson, appreciate you being with us. You, I'm sure
know that there is a chatter out there reporting sources
close to the former president on this issue that you
are in contention for the vice president role on a
Trump ticket. Can you just tell us have you had
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any conversations with President Trump about this and whether you
have or not, would you be ready to serve in
the role of VP if called upon?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
And I've had that conversation. Was talked about what we
can do to save this country, and I am four
square committed to doing that from within the administration or
outside of the administration. Then I continue to be dedicated
to that one way or the other.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
We're talking, doctor Ben Carson. In your in your telling,
I know you've got grandchildren. Now, when you look at
the history of the country, are you more optimistic today
or pessimistic based on the way you see things going?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Well, I'm optimistic when you just look at the facts.
You know, there's some pessimism when you look at all
the spend. You know, for instance, a lot of people
on the left like to tell you we haven't made
much progress in terms of race relationships. And yet you know,
I vividly remember as a six year old going to Chatanooga,
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Tennessee and seeing the whites and colored signs and having
people explain that to me. And yet in the very
same lifetime, it's got black admirals in generals and CEOs
of fortune, five hundred companies and hits, the foundations, university presidents.
We've had a black President of the United States. I mean,
to sit there and say that we haven't made tremendous
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progress is absolutely fine. But some people do that. They
just have blinders on and they think if they keep
repeating something that people will come to believe that we've
made enormous progress. It doesn't mean that we've reached nirvana.
We have ways to go. But the way we do
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that is that we learn from things that have occurred
in the past. We don't try to bury them, we
don't try to rewrite them. We learn from them the good,
the bad, and ugly. But the fact of the matter is,
when it comes to the United States, there's a lot
more good than there is bad and ugly.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Talking to doctor Ben Carson, he's got a new book,
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family.
Doctor Carson, what do you think is the most important
thing that could be done as a policy matter. I mean,
certainly there's just community, there's church, there's there's a synagogue.
There's so many aspects to the way that we can
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have a family focused future here in this country. But
what do you think policy level could be done differently
or could be done to help family formation because there
is clearly a crisis of family in America today.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Well, there's no question when you look at family formation.
The average birth per woman is down to one point
six now it requires two point one in order to
maintain the population. So that's a real issue. But I
think policy wise, we need to firmly put in place
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something about voting. Voting can only occur if you're an
American citizen, because if we don't get that firmly in place,
there's going to be some major problems coming down the
pike here with all these people who've infiltraated our country.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson, building on what Buck
just said. Yesterday was Father's Day. Having Father's Day to you,
and as I've said, all the dads out there, if
you look at the data starting about the time that
Lyndon Johnson began The Great Society. The percentage of fathers
inside of homes, that is, two parent households has collapsed.
It collapsed for white, Black, Asian, and Hispanic families if
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you look at the data, but particularly for black families.
How does that get addressed and how can we talk
about the importance of dads being in the home and
what they mean for kids to help to reverse not
only as you just pointed out, every woman only having
one point six kids. We've got a real population crisis
everywhere Japan, China, United States, Italy. It doesn't really matter
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the country, but dad's not being present in households has
a devastating impact on individual kid outcomes. What do we
do to address that?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Well, first of all, we acknowledge it. You know, the
liberal think tanks and the conservative thing tanks both come
to the same conclusion, and that is children raised in
a traditional, nuclear parent family do much better on every level, career, academics,
trouble with police, mental status, everything. So we should first
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of all acknowledge that and then don't ignore that when
it comes to the kinds of things that we do
in our society, kinds of rules that we make the
policies that we have. You know, I think about you know,
when I was at HUD. You know, there's a policy
that if you're receiving government assistance and your income goes up,
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you have to report that immediately so your rent can
go up. That's not a big incentive to improve yourself.
You bring somebody else into the household with an income,
you have to report that so that your rent can
go up. You know, that's not something that's going to
increase family formation. So you know, we need to actually
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make our policies congruent with what we know to be
facts and do things based on facts and that ideology
that would make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Doctor Ben Carson, The book is the perilous fight overcoming
our culture's war on the American family, Doctor Carson, always
an honor, sir, Thanks for spending some time with us today.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Thanks for having me. Take care
This is twenty four, a weekly highlight reel from the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show featuring all things the
election coverage.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Let's get started. Here are Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I want to focus in on Wisconsin for a moment,
as you know, that's where the RNC will be and
it may very well be the single most important state
in this entire election cycle. I think the likelihood that
it is so go with Wisconsin, so go with the
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election is very high. So you can imagine the amount
of the dollars that are going to be put into
the state of IYO are going to be absolutely immense
to try to sway the public to vote for one
candidate or the other.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's for sure. The RNC is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Clay and I will both be there in Wisconsin that
for that week in Milwaukee. I have never spent that
much time in Wisconsin, so I am very much looking
forward to it.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And this has cut three.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Trump himself is saying he loves Wisconsin, Milwaukee specifically. In fact,
he says he's the one that picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh, and you know, I love Milwaukee.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I was the one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have to tell you, I was the one that
picked it.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
These lion people that they say, oh, he doesn't like Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I love Milwaukee. I said, you got to fix the crime.
We all know that, you got.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
To make sure of the election's on us. But I'm
the one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
And the Democrats or the radical left lunatics.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
As I call him, what they say is just so terrible.
They lie, lie, lie.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
They have a horrible candidate.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
They have a candidate that has no clue, doesn't know
where he is, and all.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
They can do is lie. I love it. I'm the
one that picked Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Officially, he's saying he's the one that said it should
be Milwaukee for the RNC. So we'll be doing the
show live from there that week and bringing you all
of the all of the atmospherics in the ground truth
we can from that. I think we're also hosting an event.
Klay and I are hosting an event together at the RNC.
So a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff going
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on there. And he went on obviously Trump campaigning in
Wisconsin because, as I said, it is an absolutely critical
battleground state.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And he went on to.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Address some of the failings of the Biden regime and
specifically that Biden. If you think that the perception of
other countries, especially allies and enemies, matters, If you think
that foreign policy at any level is important to this country,
and I think that we all do, you got to
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see that what Joe Biden is doing is a mess.
Is a is a constant game of trying to deal
with the failures and patch up the holes, so to speak.
This is Trump has cut four saying that Biden is
just humiliating the country on the world stage.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Joe Biden is humiliating our country on the world stage.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's actually humiliating us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's sew what happened this weekend.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's turning the United States into a total joke.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
First, he wandered off the G seven in Europe the stage.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You look like he.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Didn't know where the hell he was. But he didn't
know where he was. He's blaming it now on AI.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
He's saying he doesn't know what AI is.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
But that's okay.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now they're saying the media is manipulat. Oh, he's saying
the media is manipulating now on that one.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I have to stick up for the media. I have
to tell you he said, the media is manipulating the
pictures of him constantly not knowing where the hell he is.
They're doing just the opposite, They're.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Making the look better.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Is it it amazing that the claim that the Biden
camp makes that the media is somehow against Biden with
these videos goes against everything that we see, which is
that the videos are just as I said, observation, It
is just a a objective reality, and the media's job
is to try to undermine that objective reality on Biden's behalf,
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to limit to suppress the distribution of that reality however
they can, and to create an alternative narrative, namely that
there is some insidious effort to make Joe Biden.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Appear like he's too old and too frail and too senile.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, is that an effort or is that again observation.
That's the big difference here and on the world stage issue.
I would just say the fact that the Biden White
House is canceling a meeting between Biden and net Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
It stage just goes to show you that he.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Is Joe Biden is the ultimate politician in the sense
that it is never about what is good or right
or true. Ultimate Democrat politician. Perhaps it's about what is
useful to him politically in the moment, and the knife
in the back of the Israeli people from Joe Biden
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from his administration could not be more obvious and apparent.
We know why it is that Biden has decided suddenly
or relatively recently to start to hedge his support for Israel.
It's because he is worried, not just about we talk
about Muslim voters in Michigan, but he's concerned about the
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far left base which gets so energized on the issue
of Palestine. You should ask Palestinians, you should ask why
that is. I noted this morning, you know, big, big
story in the New York Times about how there are
Arab Muslim militias in the Darfur region of Sudan. This
(06:13):
is that they are the new version of what were
the known as the Janjaweed militias before which engaged in
genocide and the genocide in Darfur. They were a government
militia and now this is the new generation of it.
But it's Arab Arab Muslim militants who are murdering, raping
(06:37):
and starving to death Black Africans as opposed to the
Arab Muslims of the of the militias. They're starving them
to death and there already have been tens of thousands
of people killed by them, and you would wonder, Okay,
this is a horrible situation. We've heard of darfour. We
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know that Sudan broke into multiple countries. You've got South
Sudan now, and you know there are these RSF militias
that are surrounding a city in Darfur, the Darfur region,
of almost two million peoples. There's a lot by the way,
that's the same number of people that are in Gaza,
same number of people roughly, I mean, you know, Gaza
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I think is about two million, one point six or
one point eight million, something like that. But they're surrounding
these people, and there are massive refugee camps. I mean,
it's an absolute mess. And you have Arab Muslims behind this, uh,
you know who comprise this militia who are killing people
and using rape as a weapon of war.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Where are the protests in streets about this?
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Why isn't there equivalent anger from the American left about
this issue? I've brought up before in Yemen, You've had
tens of thousands of people killed in the Many Civil War,
and certainly you could call different aspects of that genocide,
could make the case. And yet there have been no
protests in the streets. You don't have people walking around
(08:06):
with cafeas on and saying that the United States is
a party to genocide, even though guess what we were
the ones providing the Saudis with the munitions that were
being used to fight against the Huthi militants and Yemen bad.
You know, they don't pay attention to any of this.
Why the issue of Jews and Palestinians gets so much
(08:31):
more attention from the American left is I think something
you need to always remember. They viewed as a white
versus Brown conflict, and they view it as a Jewish
oppressor of Muslims conflict. And that is why what's going
on in Sudan right now again Darfur in the southwest
corner of Sudan. That's why it doesn't get any attention
(08:55):
from the Okay, I know the New York Times is
writing about it, but I'm talking when I say attention,
and I mean political mobilization. We've seen what they've done
over Gaza. We've seen the campus protests and people shouting
at Biden and shouting at Kamala, and all the rage
and the marching through the streets and the protests and everything.
(09:16):
Where if it's about protecting human life and the ending
of genocide, why isn't the slow motion mass murder of
black Africans by Muslim Arabs in Sudan something that gets
the left. We all know the answers, right, we all understand.
So I think it's worth pointing that out. That Joe
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Biden is doing what he does on the state of
Israel right now because all his talk about how we're
a good ally to Israel and we care so much
about them, that's because it's to his and the Democrats'
political advantage. The second that changes, it's snubbing net Nyaho,
calling for more accountability from the Israelis, slow rolling weapons
(10:00):
shipments to them, I mean doing really a betrayal of
an ally, is what you were seeing. So it's not
just that Biden is a dotting fool, which he is,
it's that he's a dishonest and destructive one too, which
I think is obviously even worse.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
If you're listening to twenty four the Year of Impact
with Clay and.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Buck I would say things continue to look bad for
Joe Biden out there in the polling marketplace, but also
just the discussion marketplace that is so much of the
public perception. Let me give you a couple of data
points out there, number one, and I want to unpack
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this with you a little bit. Here, Buck, the Iowa
poll that we reference, that's done by the Des Moines Register,
by this sort of pole wizard, has Donald Trump up
eighteen points. Reminder, Trump won Iowa by eight in twenty twenty.
I want to talk a bit about that with you. Also,
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there is an economist sort of running tallly on what
they expect to see from the election. Joe Biden now
is down to Donald Trump in the probability that they
that he will win the election seventy two to twenty eight.
The economist is not a partisan news outlet, so to speak.
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It's very obviously as you would.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Expect business, not a Trump partisan news.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Outlet, that's for sure.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yes, And for Trump to have opened in their tallly,
which looks at polling, which looks at economic indicators, for
him to have opened a seventy two to twenty eight
lead is pretty seismic.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So Buck, I want to hit you with this.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I went back and I looked, and I said, okay,
let's have an actual conversation about the data, not only
in Iowa, but how it has traditionally trend. And you
mentioned earlier in the first hour, Trump up eighteen fifty
to thirty two nine for RFK junior, Joe Biden's approval
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down to twenty eight percent. This is the des Moines
Register and Seltzer poll that she has been doing for
years and years. And to put this into context, a
couple of different points here that I think are very significant.
First of all, Ann Selzer's been doing these Des Moines
Register polls for a long time.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Do you remember buck.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
In twenty twenty in the fall when she went from
in June of twenty twenty, so four years ago, Trump
was up one. She had Trump up one in Iowa
this time in the four year news cycle that's June
of twenty twenty. September of twenty twenty, she had a
dead tie. In her last poll that she put out,
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she had Trump up seven. He went on to win
Iowa by about eight. This for many people, a wait
a minute, twenty twenty is going to be closer than
many people anticipate because Anzeltz has such a reputation for
nailing what happens in Iowa. But I wanted to hit
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you with a couple of data points here. So she
had Trump winning by seven in her final poll. He
wins by eight. In twenty twenty. She has Trump up
eighteen right now. This time in twenty twenty against Biden,
she had Trump up one, and she has continued to
have Trump continuing to pull away away a bit in
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her overall tally. But Iowa to me is a really
interesting snapshot buck for this reason because if you go back,
Barack Obama won Iowa in twenty two one thousand and eight,
he won it in two thousand and twelve, and now
you're talking about Biden losing potentially by eighteen. What this
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would represent to me? By the way, Obama won Iowa
by fifteen points over John McCain in two thousand and
eight and by five in twenty twelve over Mitt Romney.
So you're talking about a what is that thirty two
point swing basically in uh from two thousand and eight
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to twenty twenty four if her numbers are accurate right now,
And some of you can say, okay, well, Trump's going
to win Iowa. We knew that Trump won Iowa by
eight as I mentioned in twenty twenty. What stands out
to me about this buck is there are a lot
of polls now that have Trump running about ten points
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better in their state than he did in twenty twenty.
Virginia dead even Biden won by ten. New York now
single digits, where a state that Biden won by about
twenty three, Minnesota very close. My point on this is,
if Trump is gonna win Iowa by eighteen, he's not
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gonna lose Wisconsin, He's not gonna lose Michigan, and he's
not gonna lose Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
If that hit this pole is accurate. Here's how I
here's how I think of the race these days. You know,
if this were a marathon, Trump is way out ahead.
It's you know, mile eighteen or something. I mean, it's
deep into this and unless somebody runs into the course
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and like pushes him to the ground or he you know,
gets a stress fracture in his foot, I'm talking, you
know about the marathon analogy here. Unless something crazy happens,
this is heading for a Trump win. But we can't
rule out the crazy happening because of what is what's
been going on. I mean, if someone has sent you
in twenty nineteen, Donald Trump is going to have a
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booming economy. Everything's amazing. We're not at war, No Russia
in Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
None of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You see how happening right now in the Middle East
with the you know, the enemies of Israel just doing
everything they can to destabilize the region. But that there'd
be a global pandemic that actually was greatly exaggerated and
entirely mismanaged by the health authorities, and there'd be a
series of race riots all summer, and that Donald Trump
would would not end up being the president afterwards. You
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would have sounded crazy. I just think that we have
to leave room for crazy. I mean, we have to
remember there's this very real possible It's not just a
possibility cyclically things. The twenty sixteen election was a mind
blowing shock to certainly the elites and the so called intelligentsia.
The twenty twenty I think was a shock to the
American people and to the whole world because of COVID
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and this time around Clay I just think that the Rumsfeld,
the unknown unknown is what is is what is the
concern here? Because I'm at a point now where I
cannot think of what they would do that would be
kind of normal order of business, is standard operating procedure,
even for Democrats, which means a lot of dirty tricks
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and a lot of things that.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I would expect.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I can't anticipate what the thing would be that would
change this.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
The only thing that I can see.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, I know there's a theory about their placement, and
I'm not I'm not sitting here saying that can happen.
I'm just thinking I don't think it's gonna happen. I mean,
you know, anything is possible. I do think that the
debate is what they're This is going to be the
highest stakes presidential debate in memory, because I think it
can either be the beginning of a new trend for
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Biden or it could be they need to do something
crazy to figure this out. Right, So that's that's how
I'm seeing it. Because the Iowa numbers, Nobody who follows
politics Clay can dismiss those Iowa numbers.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Nobody. No one's gonna say, oh, that's a bad poll
or I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That those numbers are catastrophic for Biden in a state
that has real implications for the Democrats strategy, which is
to win the russ b states. Not only that, to
your point, I even think the poll, I mean, sorry,
the debate next week, next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
For Biden.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The problem that Biden has is, even if they shoot
him up with every drug known to man, and he
goes out there and he performs on a somewhat decent level,
that's what he did at the State of the Union,
and then there's going to be some campaigning situation. They
can't hide him in the basement in the same way
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that they did before, whether it's Obama having to lead
him off the stage, whether it's at the Juneteenth celebration
just seeming to kind of have a catatonic moment, whether
it was at the G seven where at times it
appears that he loses his train of thought as to
where he is. That to me, is the problem for him.
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Even if they shoot him up with everything and he
does okay June twenty seventh, there's going to be a
viral video of him somewhere on the campaign trail within
the next ten days that completely contradicts whatever we see
on June twenty seven. And that's a best case scenario.
He could also freeze up like he did at the
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June teenth celebration, and like he did at the Obama
big fundraiser out in LA. That could happen for him again.
And what do you say at that point in time
and all of this rolls in together, Buck, I want
to play this audio for you of CNN. This is
the other thing we've been talking about. Black voters under
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the age of fifty, That is, younger Black voters, particularly men,
are breaking away from Joe Biden right now in numbers
that stagger even CNN. I believe this is Harry Inton
on CNN taught with Jim Acosta of all people, talking
about the numbers and how very strong they are for
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Trump and bad they are for Biden on black black voters.
Listen to cut one.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Look at Black voters under the age of fifty. Holy cow, folks,
holy col look at us. Joe Biden was up by
eighty points among this group back at this point in
twenty twenty. Look at where that margin has careem down
towards It's now just get this, thirty seven points. That
lead has dropped.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
By more than half.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Mister Berman home, I just never seen anything like this.
I'm like speechless because you always look at history and
you go, Okay, this is a historic moment. If this
polling is anywhere near correct, we are looking at an
historic moment right now where Black voters under the age
of fifty, which have historically been such a big part
of the Democratic coalition, are leaving it in droves.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
I think this is real, and I know we've got
a bet about this, But older black voters, if you
grew up in the Civil rights movement, you're still connected
to the Democrat Party. I think younger black voters twenties, thirties, forties, fifties,
they don't have that same allegiance under the age of fifty.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, there's a couple things happening here. One is in
that bet I will like, I truly don't believe that
Biden is going to be replaced. And that's why I
bet that way the younger black mail voter bet we have.
I'm emotionally hedging because I would love for that to
be the case, for them to believe it could happen,
because I refuse to believe it could happen, because I
kind of I've been let down on this one too
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many times where it's all, well, not with Romney, but
you know, last time around with Trump, we thought maybe
we're gonna get more of the black vote. So anyway,
but so's that's emotional hedging. Here's what I think is
going on with the young black mail voters as shown
in the polls right now. One thing is the illegal
immigrant situation I truly believe is resonating within the black community.
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Or remember, you have a lot of illegals who are
showing up in communities where they'll be already a high
minority population. I'm not talking about the ones in the
hotels in Midtown, just broadly speaking, when you have eight
million illegals in four years, they're not going to be
in the in the ritzy neighborhoods, right They're going to
generally be congregating in ethnic enclaves and in places where
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there's a higher minority distribution. And the Democrat Party, if
you just had to make an honest calculation right now,
has Joe bied in for the last four years and
the Democrats overall have they focused more on illegals from
all over the world who just got here. And I
mean in terms of resources. I mean in terms of
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you know, time on TV talking about or young black
men trying to build their careers, make their way up
the economic ladder, create some stability financially, and you know,
a future for themselves. I think the answer is obvious.
I think the answer is obvious even to black Democrats
who absolutely hate Trump, and that's where you're starting to
see some of them.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Peel Off, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
The allegiance of the older black voters is I would assume,
I would analyze overwhelmingly the sort of narrative and the
goodwill built up over a long time of Oh, Democrats
are the party of civil rights, even though it's not
really true, but put that aside. Democrats are the party
of the quote great society and the massive wealth transfer
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of the welfare state for the last sixty years or so.
So that's where I think that comes from. But you
got to think, if you're a younger male voter who's
a black guy, you're hearing a lot of anti masculine,
anti masculinity stuff which just doesn't resonate. That seems very strange.
You're hearing a lot of interest and effort from the
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Democrats to put up illegals and hotels and get them
work permits and get them and your wages are getting
crushed by all the spending the people who are Inflation
is a tax that disproportionately affects those who don't have assets,
which means people paid by the hour, and a lot
of young black men working hourly waged jobs have got
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to be looking at what's going on, saying, I mean
another you see with Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
They just they're talking about how much money they need
over the next ten years.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I know people gave me heat for ice said on
this show in twenty twenty two, right, yeah, twenty twenty two.
I was like, it's going to cost a trillion dollars
what they're going to do in Ukraine. Now it's guaranteed
to cost a trillion dollars of the tax payer money.
And you know, you talk about the fast food cost,
the fast food wage is even more hurt by all this.
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So that this is why I think it's not just oh,
Trump is like a charismatic guy, and you know that
I think wasn't necessarily. I think it's the illegals, plus
the lack of economic progress, plus the inflationary pressure. People
just realize you're paying more for stuff all the time,
and that's why I think there's an opening.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Yeah, And also I would just close it up by saying,
on this perspective, Biden sold sold a bill of goods
to people. He said things will get better, things will
get more normal. People don't believe that anymore. So in
twenty twenty, people might have bought into the anti Trump argument.
That's ultimately why I think they may pull the rip
cord here, because they could still run the anti Trump
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playbook if they didn't have an incumbent, because then it's like, oh,
you've got an uncertain outcome with the new president, or
you've got Trump who you don't like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Again.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I think that could factor up in here as well.
You're listening to twenty four The Most Important Tier in
Politics with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, joined by the
Governor of Iowa, Kim Reynolds. Governor Reynolds appreciate you coming
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by spending some time with us today.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Oh hi, Buck, it's great to be with you. I
appreciate the opportunity. So thanks.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Let's launch into this one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean, it was we love that we can present
encouraging news out there. The pollster who just had I'm
forgetting and Seltzer I think out of Iowa.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, she showing that Trump.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Is up eighteen points in your state of Iowa, which
just seems like an absolute break the glass moment for
the Democrats here. What can you tell us about this one?
I mean, does that track with what you think is
going on in your state?
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Oh? Absolutely, it tracks. You know, we've carried Iowa for
President Trump both times. We did really well the last
cycle here in the state of Iowa. They love his policies.
They are sick and tired of what is coming out
of the Biden administration. They love this country, We love
our freedom and our independence, and we want a president'll
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get this country back on track. And they, without a doubt,
we know that President Trump is the guy that can
do that. On day one, he'll close the border. You know,
we're miles away from the southern border, but every single
governor knows the consequences of his open border, and we're
dealing with it every single day. Coupled with just the
insanity and the weakness on the world stage and just
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the peer incompetence that we see happening with the Biden administration,
and I think you know, I was at an event
last night, a fundraiser, and they're ready to go to
the match. When we talked about President Trump's record and
what he'll do for this country, people were on their
feet and they were clapping and yelling and and really
just they understand the seriousness of this election. They've seen
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firsthand how fast failed leadership can really destroy the greatness
of this country. We always say we're resilient. This country
is resilient, and if we get this election right, I
have no doubt that we'll restore the greatness of this
country and our presence on the world stage. But you know,
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we got to make it happen, and we will make
it happen here in the state of Iowa.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
How is the illegal immigration issue affecting your state. I'm
sure you saw. Biden had this essentially this executive order
amnesty that he announced this week, and it comes at
a time with his number on illegal immigration are really
another big problem from going into this election cycle.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Yeah, I mean, just the insanity of the policies that
he puts in place two weeks ago. First of all,
he said he couldn't use an executive order to do
anything to stop the infiltration of our country. Then he
stands up in an executive order which basically solidifies and
says it's okay to have a certain number of illegals
coming across the border into our country. And you know,
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it just it just there's no consistency. And then he
does the Amnesty Executive Order, which basically sends the message
to the world that we're open the time is now
across across our border illegally, and you'll have a path
to citizenship down the road. So it's it's ridiculous. And
as I said, every single governor is dealing with increase
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in violent crime, drug seizures. George is seeing an increase
in overdose deeps. The funtinel that's coming into our communities
and just killing our children is unconscionable. When you look
at Rachel Moron and a mom of five in Maryland
that was raped and brutally murdered a legal immigrant, you know,
I mean the thirteen year old b girl in New
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York that was abducted and raped. I mean, they can regulate.
The list goes on and on and on, and all
of those did not need to happen. You know, you're
not a country if you don't have a secure border,
and we need to. And that's another reason. I mean,
President Trump on day one will secure the border and
start the deportation of the eleven million in counting or
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ten whatever the number is that have come into our
country illegally.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Do you think that passed the law?
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I don't know if you want to talk about that,
but we actually passed the law to really stop the
revolving door.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
You know here in Iowa we.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Need tell let's let's go dive in.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
We made it a state crime for illegal immigrants to
enter Iowa if they've been denied a mission or deported.
And you know, so we we you know, if the
president again is not going to do his constitutional duty
to protect the American citizens and the sovereignty of our country.
As a governor, my number one priority is to protect
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the health and safety of our citizens. And so I
can tell you without hesitation, if he's not going to
do what he is required to do as the president
of this country, then the states are going to step in.
We we had a you know, Judge enjoined it yesterday
or the day before was probably the most aggressive route
that he could take to block the legislation. But but
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really what we did a little bit different in the
state of Iowa is it doesn't supersede federal law. It
actually codifies in state law what the what the federal law.
That's what's already what the federal already deems illegal. So
we think there's a good possibility that the US Supreme
Court will eventually take up this case. This one, or
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Texas or Oklahoma, I think is all also passed a
similar case. You're probably going to continue to see more
states take a look at this, and we think we
have a strong legal argument to distinguish our law from
the Arizona case that was actually already taken up the
United States Supreme Court in twenty twelve, I think it was.
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But it differs from that again because Arizona's preceded the
federal law. We don't we just codify what is already
federal law. So we don't think the precedent that they
use really applies to this case. And on that case,
there were three justices that dissented, and that included Thomas
and Alito. So you know, again, it just boils back
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to all we're trying to do is enforce the US
immigration laws. We're trying to protect our citizens, and we're
stepping in to do what President Biden has failed to
do his constitutional duty to protect the citizens and the
celebrignty of this country.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
We're speaking to Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds and to that end,
Governor Reynolds, when you talk about stepping up and doing
what's necessary to enforce the law if we have another
Trump presidency, is the state of Iowa prepared on this
issue of illegal immigration to use state resources to help
with enforcement and also with deportation, effectively acting alongside federal
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counterparts to enforce immigration law.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Oh absolutely, that's what I'm trying to do. With the
state law that we passed. We're ready to go. You know.
The unfortunate thing is, you know, we've got President Biden
is bussing and flying illegal immigrants to all parts of
the country. And this is one of the reasons that
makes it so devastating is we have no ideas the
governor of our states, who's coming in to our state.
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We get no advanced notice they're coming in. We had
this happened a couple of years ago with they flu
in the middle of the night fifteen young girls into
the Des Moines airport and then they had three charter
buses on you know, they loaded them up on that
and took them out of the state. And for six
months I tried to get answers from this administration about
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whether they are involved in that or not, and they
continued to deny that they had any involvement in it whatsoever.
And you know, we said, well, we're not going to
let this go because it's either human traffic, you know,
this is human trafficking or something that's going on if
we are going to get to the bottom of it,
and we worked with Senator Grassley who also helped hold
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them accountable, and they finally admitted that, yeah, they were
the ones that had blown them into Iowa in the
middle of the night, unloaded them onto and then loaded
them onto three charter buses. And I don't know where
they went from there, but it's just unconscionable what we
see happening. And you know, if you're a country without borders,
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you're not a country. And it needs to stop. We
need to elect a president that will stop it, that
will do what's already not only the constitutional duty, but
there's statutes federal status you that says you need to
you know, deny and you can't deny or detain and
and basically, as you know, they're just mass parrolling illegal
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immigrants into our country, denying and going against what the
law already says.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And Governor Reynolds, I don't know if you saw this,
but the cover of New York magazine, which is still
a thing still exists, y has a headline that the
main story is are Republican women Okay? And it says
that they're looking at the new mold of Republican womanhood
in the age of Trump and all of its wrath, sweetness, strength,
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and subservience to maga. What do you what do you
make of this? I mean, are they concerned that that
they're not going to.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Be able to thought and we might have an idea. Yeah,
we're ready to go to the mat to defend our
basic freedom and liberty that we don't think government that
the answer that we believe in our people. I mean,
it's in life and liberty and the Second Amendment. It's crazy.
I don't know who said it. We also upset it here,
but I mean, this is from a party that can't
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define a woman. So give me a break. Once they
figure out what a woman is and they stopped trying
to erase women, then maybe they can, you know, enter
into the mix. But listen, I am proud to have
the opportunity to serve the people of Iowa. I actually
was the governor during COVID, and I'm telling you we
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took a different approach than a lot of the other states.
We actually put our trust in faith in the people.
In the people of Iowa. We gave them information every
single day, We passed a lot. We were one of
the first states to get the kids back in the classroom.
We did. You know, we were set alog against taxine
and mask mandates. We kept businesses open. We in Iowa.
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You know, we our farmers produced ten percent of the
nation's food supply, so it was essential that we continued
to keep the food supply chain moving. And you know,
we've got great things happening in the state of Iowa.
Despite the challenges from the Biden administration. We have an
economy that's growing. We're cutting taxes. Starting January one, we'll
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go to a three point eight percent black tax and
naturally cutting government and red tape. I mean, I cut
twenty one agencies from my cabinet. We just get a
realignment with behavioral health, where we went for thirty two
separate agencies down to seven regions to help really align
and provide better resources to Iowance. We actually support our
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law enforcement and we're keeping our communities safe. And that's
a story that plays out in every single state that's
led by a Republican governor. And it is certainly a
contrast to what you're seeing in California and New York
and Minnesota and Illinois. The contrast is stark, and we
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no longer tax retirement or inheritance tax reducing the corporate
We've got a great story to tell and people are
paying attention, and I'm proud of what we're doing. I'm
proud to serve the people of Iowa, and I'm looking
forward to serving and working again with President Trump. When
he did the tax cut in his first four years,
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it really was the jump start for Iowa to go
in in twenty eighteen and really start reducing taxes. And
I've signed five tax reform bills since twenty eighteen. Our
individual income tax rate we had nine brackets eight point
nine eight percent, and as I said, we'll go to
a flat three point eight starting January one, and we're
not done. We're on. We're going to keep lowering that
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tax burden on Iowa's which really helps offset some of
the you know, just the inflationaries.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, the federal pressures on everybody that are out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I look red states like yours that are that are
doing well are clearly part of the overall narrative and
I think helpful to Donald Trump as well as the
rest of the Republicans running for a federal office. Right now,
Governor Reynolds, Iowa, appreciate you being with us and we'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Okay, thanks for letting me Philibuster, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Bye, Javy, thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
If you're listening to twenty four The Year of Impact
with Clay and Buck.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Right now, doctor Ben Carson is with us, a retired neurosurgeon,
former hud secretary under Trump new book The Perilous Fight
Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family, and doctor
Carson appreciate you joining us. We were just playing a
poll that discussed the increasing amount of support, especially among
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young black voters, that is out there for Donald Trump.
You travel the country a great deal talking to people,
and you have for years.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Do you see that.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Do you think black voters are more open to Trump
than they were in sixteen or twenty. What are you
seeing out on your travels and your discussions.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yah, there's a big difference between the previous time because
they've had an actual chance to see what he does.
You know, he actually does what he says. He's unlike
most politicians, and he's transparent. You never have to sit
there and wonder what he's thinking. He's going to tell
you what he's thinking. And I think people appreciate that.
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They've also seen the impact of his policies. You know,
the average American had a wage gain of eight point
two percent during the Trump administration and a three point
two percent decrease under Biden. That's a big swing. And
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people feel that when they go to the gas plant,
when they open their utility bills, you know, when they
go to the grocery stores. And I think people recognize
now it's become patently obvious that the media is very
biased and will say whatever they need to say in
order to support the ideology and their candidate, as opposed
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to providing the truth. So people are discounting a lot
of what they took as Gospel before.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Doctor Carson, appreciate you being with us. You, I'm sure
know that there is a chatter out there reporting sources
close to the former president on this issue that you
are in contention for the vice president role on a
Trump ticket. Can you just tell us have you had
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any conversations with President Trump about this and whether you
have or not, would you be ready to serve in
the role of VP if called upon?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
And I've had that conversation. Was talked about what we
can do to save this country, and I am four
square committed to doing that from within the administration or
outside of the administration. Then I continue to be dedicated
to that one way or the other.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
We're talking, doctor Ben Carson. In your in your telling,
I know you've got grandchildren. Now, when you look at
the history of the country, are you more optimistic today
or pessimistic based on the way you see things going?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Well, I'm optimistic when you just look at the facts.
You know, there's some pessimism when you look at all
the spend. You know, for instance, a lot of people
on the left like to tell you we haven't made
much progress in terms of race relationships. And yet you know,
I vividly remember as a six year old going to Chatanooga,
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Tennessee and seeing the whites and colored signs and having
people explain that to me. And yet in the very
same lifetime, it's got black admirals in generals and CEOs
of fortune, five hundred companies and hits, the foundations, university presidents.
We've had a black President of the United States. I mean,
to sit there and say that we haven't made tremendous
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progress is absolutely fine. But some people do that. They
just have blinders on and they think if they keep
repeating something that people will come to believe that we've
made enormous progress. It doesn't mean that we've reached nirvana.
We have ways to go. But the way we do
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that is that we learn from things that have occurred
in the past. We don't try to bury them, we
don't try to rewrite them. We learn from them the good,
the bad, and ugly. But the fact of the matter is,
when it comes to the United States, there's a lot
more good than there is bad and ugly.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Talking to doctor Ben Carson, he's got a new book,
The Perilous Fight, Overcoming Our Culture's War on the American Family.
Doctor Carson, what do you think is the most important
thing that could be done as a policy matter. I mean,
certainly there's just community, there's church, there's there's a synagogue.
There's so many aspects to the way that we can
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have a family focused future here in this country. But
what do you think policy level could be done differently
or could be done to help family formation because there
is clearly a crisis of family in America today.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Well, there's no question when you look at family formation.
The average birth per woman is down to one point
six now it requires two point one in order to
maintain the population. So that's a real issue. But I
think policy wise, we need to firmly put in place
(43:32):
something about voting. Voting can only occur if you're an
American citizen, because if we don't get that firmly in place,
there's going to be some major problems coming down the
pike here with all these people who've infiltraated our country.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
We're talking to doctor Ben Carson, building on what Buck
just said. Yesterday was Father's Day. Having Father's Day to you,
and as I've said, all the dads out there, if
you look at the data starting about the time that
Lyndon Johnson began The Great Society. The percentage of fathers
inside of homes, that is, two parent households has collapsed.
It collapsed for white, Black, Asian, and Hispanic families if
(44:13):
you look at the data, but particularly for black families.
How does that get addressed and how can we talk
about the importance of dads being in the home and
what they mean for kids to help to reverse not
only as you just pointed out, every woman only having
one point six kids. We've got a real population crisis
everywhere Japan, China, United States, Italy. It doesn't really matter
(44:36):
the country, but dad's not being present in households has
a devastating impact on individual kid outcomes. What do we
do to address that?
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Well, first of all, we acknowledge it. You know, the
liberal think tanks and the conservative thing tanks both come
to the same conclusion, and that is children raised in
a traditional, nuclear parent family do much better on every level, career, academics,
trouble with police, mental status, everything. So we should first
(45:13):
of all acknowledge that and then don't ignore that when
it comes to the kinds of things that we do
in our society, kinds of rules that we make the
policies that we have. You know, I think about you know,
when I was at HUD. You know, there's a policy
that if you're receiving government assistance and your income goes up,
(45:37):
you have to report that immediately so your rent can
go up. That's not a big incentive to improve yourself.
You bring somebody else into the household with an income,
you have to report that so that your rent can
go up. You know, that's not something that's going to
increase family formation. So you know, we need to actually
(45:59):
make our policies congruent with what we know to be
facts and do things based on facts and that ideology
that would make a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Doctor Ben Carson, The book is the perilous fight overcoming
our culture's war on the American family, Doctor Carson, always
an honor, sir, Thanks for spending some time with us today.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Thanks for having me. Take care
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