May 22, 2025 • 38 mins
The conversation centers around U.S. immigration policy, border security, and the actions taken under the Trump administration compared to the Biden administration. Key topics include:
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Border Security Achievements: Homan claims that under President Trump’s renewed leadership, the U.S. now has the most secure border in its history, citing dramatic reductions in illegal crossings and "gotaways."
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Policy Changes: The discussion emphasizes the impact of executive orders, ending "catch and release," and enforcing detention laws as major factors in reducing illegal immigration.
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Criticism of the Biden Administration: The hosts and guest heavily criticize President Biden and former DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, accusing them of deliberately undermining border security and enabling criminal activity.
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Sanctuary Cities: Homan discusses the dangers of sanctuary city policies, arguing they protect criminals and hinder ICE operations.
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Human Trafficking and Fentanyl: The episode highlights the humanitarian and public safety crises tied to open borders, including child trafficking and fentanyl smuggling.
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Calls for Accountability: There are calls for legal consequences for officials like Mayorkas, and praise for law enforcement and border agents.
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International Implications: The conversation touches on the role of Mexican drug cartels and the potential for U.S. military intervention to dismantle them.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
One of the best things about getting to do this
show is having on brilliant minds from within the administration
who get to talk directly the American people. And today
we get to have another very special guest, a.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Good friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Borders Are is joining us and I'll let you
take it from there.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, Tom Homan is serving as President Trump's Borders Are.
He is the former acting director of the US Immigration
and Customs Enforcement and he has been borders Are since
Trump resumed office as president. His formal title, which I like,
is what White House Executive Associate Director of Enforcement and
(00:43):
Removal Operations. And to be clear, his job is to
secure the border, keep US safe, and remove dangerous illegal aliens.
He's doing a hell of a job. Tom, Welcome to Verdict.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So let's start with just how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And we're four months in, almost five months into the
Trump presidency. How are we doing? Tell us what has
happened since President Trump became president again?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
On the border?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, President Trump today, where I'm talking to today san
Or the Cruz. We have the most secure border in
the history of this nation. Today, the most secure board ever.
I mean we even beat Trump forty five. Well, we
hand the Biden administration's most secure boarder ever ahead of
that time. But the Dad is even better now. And
let me give you a few numbers, just a few numbers.
(01:32):
Under Biden administration, we were dealing with ten eleven thousand,
even a few times fifteen thousand aliens to day yesterday
it was two hundred and eleven. We went from thirteen
fourteen thousand to two hundred and eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And that's across the entire southwest border.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes, gotaways under Biden an average gotaway day and under
Biden was eighteen hundred plus eighteen hundred plus got aways
yesterday thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And then the most impressive number the first one hundred
days on President Trump compared to the first the same
time period last year under Biden, Biden released over one
hundred and eighty four thousand illegal animates in this country.
The Trump administration one there was nine releases. But for
(02:23):
more material witnesses. As you know, we want them to
come here to testifying the Carpol troal so form we
want to command four came across the border in such
bad shape that we had to call an ambulance and
take care of the medical needs. We had allowment insided
medical treatment, but we had one one discretionary release compared
to one hundred and eighty four thousand released under the
(02:44):
same time period. Are in biden most secure border history
of nation. Interior enforcement offerings ices arrested three times more
criminals than Biden did during the same time period. We
got more to rest, We got many more to rest,
but they're already hitting the ball out of park. Don't
keep doing it when you do more of it. And
we're hoping for a budget real soon here so we
(03:04):
can step up efforts there. But it's it's game changing.
President Trump's been a game changer, and the men and women,
vice and men, women, barb stood up taking on the
task and cousindent. Trump did in seven weeks, but Joe
Biden couldn't or wouldn't do in four years.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
My favorite line from from President Trump's most recent State
of the Union address it is when he said, you know,
Joe Biden stood here a year ago and said that
he couldn't secure the border without new legislation passing Congress
and then Trump said, it turns out we didn't need
new legislation, We just needed a new president and and.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And that's powerfully true.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So let me ask just just a simple question for
those Look, you're you're an immigration expert, but for someone
at home, how did the numbers drop so precipitously? What
specifically are y'all doing differently than than what Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris did.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The biggest thing we've done is a president's executive orders
that are We're a game changer, remain EXCO a game changer.
I have the third State Country Agreements a game changer,
and finally ending catcher release. People know you come to
a border, now you're not being released, and we're just
followed the law because, as you know, under federal statue,
(04:16):
an alien arrives at our border without proper documentation to
enter the language is you shall be detained. Now maybe
not thinking about it, not problem shall And that's exactly
where we're doing. Those street things, by themselves have been
a major game changer, and all three of them were
EXCO lords by.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
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Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You mentioned budget a moment ago and how important it
is to have the budget for you guys to continue
your job.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Explain for everyone listening.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Is that referencing that the big beautiful bill and what
is in there that you need so much to continue
to do your job at the border.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, we want to make the border secure permanently, so
we need more infrastructure, right, so we need to finish
building that wall. Now, let's be clear, every place they
build a border barrier, illegal migrations went down, illegal drug
flow went down, But most important walls save lives. Women
and children can't get over that wall, the most vulnerable,
so they go to a place so there's not a
wall on what's waiting on them the men and women
(06:31):
of the Borderatrol first of all. So the ball saves lives.
So we need to finish the border barrier. We need
money to finish the technology within the existing border wall,
because not only did President by And stop the construction
of the wall, he stopped adding the technology in that
smart wall, technology that lets us know how someone climbs
that wall, touch this wall, dig under that wall. Technology
where borbitual agents in the middle of nowhere can get
(06:53):
on the radio and use the wall as a repeater
to talk to other agents for help. There are some
places on the southern border where they lose all community.
So all that technology needs to be done. More technology yet,
portive entries to make sure no Ventana's coming through. And
as far as the entire enforcement, we need beds. Right now.
We got about fifty two thousand people in detention. We're
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funder that thirty four thousand ICE is already in the hole.
We need about one hundred thousand beds because everybody we
arrest needs a bet. We just don't rest abody in
New York City and put them on a plane leave.
We got detained for several days or several weeks, to
get travel doctrines, get flight flight arrangements, flight finances. So
we need bets. So we need you know, so this budget,
that depending budget right now, the Big beautiful Bill will
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give us money for those beds. They're going to give
us thousands of more borbitiacens, thousands more ICE agents. It's
going to give ICE a budget to bring in more
contracts up. What I mean by that badgers and guns
shouldn't be sitting at a desk doing reports of processing.
They shouldn't be sitting at a desk doing travel documents
and all the all the administrative duties that occur within ice.
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You can have a contract to sitting there doing that work.
Give that badging gun, get them out on the street
to arrest the public safety thrusts and national security threats.
So we needed the money to Like I said, we're
doing more than Biden did, but Biden wasn't doing anything.
We need to do ten times more than buying it too,
not three times more. And I'll leave you with this.
We got seven hundred thousand illegal aliens in this country
with a criminal conviction walking the streets this country. We
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got to get them. We got to get it quickly.
We got one point four man illegal aliens who do
have due process, a great taxpayer expense. We're ordered removed
by a federal judge and didn't leave and they become fusitives.
We got a lot of work to do, and we
need money to do more. We're doing good, but more
money we have, the more we can do well.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And Ben I'll say this that Congress, we will get
this Reconciliation bill passed. It's gonna take time, it's gonna
be bumpy, but we'll get it done. And when we
get it done, we're gonna have funding to build the wall.
We're gonna have funding for technology on the wall. We're
gonna have funding for more border patrol agents. We're gonna
have funding for more ice agents. We're gonna have funding
for more detention beds. We're gonna have funding for more
fixed wing and rhetory way aircraft. We're going to have
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funding for more drones and more infrared and technology. We
are stepping in now. It's going to take a little
bit of time to get the bill across the finish line,
but I'm confident we'll do it. And I will say
it really underscores something we've said on Verdict many times,
which is the most important factor in securing the border.
And this is what Tom said just a minute ago.
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It is a policy decision, and it is a decision
what happens when you apprehend an illegal immigrant. And if
the answer is you put them on a plane and
you fly them back home. They all have cell phones.
They pick up their phones and they call home and
they say don't come. They're not letting you stay. And
the flip side is true if when you apprehend them,
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you let them go. You say what city do you
want to go to? And you put them on a plane,
you put them on a bus, and you let them
go in every city in America, which is what Joe
Biden was doing. Again, they all have phones. They pick
up the phone, they call their friends and family, and
the numbers skyrocket. And so when President Trump left office
the first time he had produced the lowest rate of
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illegal immigration in forty five years. That's what Joe Biden inherited.
It immediately skyrocketed to the worst rate of illegal immigration
in history. Joe Biden allowed twelve million of the illegal
immigrants to come into this country. And regular listeners of
Verdict will recall I predicted, I said, we will see
the numbers plummet. And it won't take a year, it
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won't even take six months. It will happen immediately, because
on day one, catch and release is going to end,
and we're going to see the numbers plummet. Now all
that being said, Tom, let me ask you honestly, I
will admit I predicted loudly that the numbers would plummet.
I'll confess. I didn't think they'd drop over ninety nine percent.
Are you I'm surprised at just how massive the success is.
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Are you a little bit surprised or.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, I'm not surprised for all the success. I'm surprised
how fast that happened. When President Trump, when he called me,
asked me to be the borders our course, I didn't.
Has Dak came back and the first meeting who he had,
he asked me, how long will it take you down
the secure the border? I says, sir, I need I
need at least one hundred and twenty days. He says, well,
I get a ninety. I said, sir, I'll respect one
hundred and twenty days, even pushing that we did this
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in seven weeks. Seven weeks numbers already down. Yep, ninety.
And you're exactly right. Everything you said is right. But
I want to add one thing. When Joe Biden opened
that border up, he's the first president in the history
of this nation who came into office and unsecured a
border on purpose. This wasn't mismanagement, this wasn't incompetence. He
ran on open borders, and that's exactly what he did.
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You know. So when you tell the whole world enter
the country legally, don't worry about it. We're going to
release you anyways. And when you got a secondary of
ma orcust on ice. You can't arrest somebody for being
here illegally unless they got a serious criminal conviction. The
whole world's going to come. You can cross the border illegally.
You get released in twenty four hours. We won't give
you a free plane ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to put you in a free hotel room.
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We're going to give you three meals a day. We're
going to give you free medical attention. And guess what,
hanging out for one hundred and twenty days, We're gonna
give you a work assization. The very reason they came
Hery not because of asylum, because they wanted a job. So
Biden did what he did, I'm purposed, and President Trump
came back in seven weeks again seven weeks did what
Joe Biden couldn't do or wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Repeat the numbers you said about how many illegals are
in the US right now who have criminal convictions, and
to be clear, these are convictions for crimes other than
crossing illegally into the country. Every illegal has committed that crime,
But how many have convictions for murder, for rape, for
other crimes other than crossing the border illegally.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Just under seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, that is a stunning number. And what you're saying,
and I agree with you, is is that Joe Biden
deliberately chose We're going to leave murderers here, We're going
to leave rapists in America, We're going to leave child
molesters in America. We're not going to send ice to
arrest them, We're not going to pick them up, we're
not going to deport them. That they put partisan politics
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above protecting American families, about protecting our kids.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That's why I woke up four years pissed off every morning.
President Trump when he called me, asked me to come back,
and he said to me, we've been E've been bitching
about it for four years. Want to come back and
fix it. And I did because I knew every morning
I wake up, and Senator you know this just as
well as I do. I knew every morning when I
woke up, how many children died acrossing the borders last night,
how many women got sexually assaulted. How many people on
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Terrace Roster's got across the border. How many women and
children were sex traffick in this country? How many billions
of dollars in the cartels make how many Americans died
in the last twenty four hours from Fetannah coming across
the open border for four years, I was pissed off.
President Trump came back, like I said, in seven weeks.
We had a border down ninety percent in seven weeks.
So you know, just like you said, it was a
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matter of President the matter enforce the law. You know,
I'll tell you it's center cruise. And you know, every
time I seen the meeting, every time I see you
in the meeting, I call you out. I call you
out because you've been a tip of the speer on
this thing. I appreciate your working us. You're from Texas,
you know, And God bless Governor Abbit. Governor Abbitt did
he was more of a Secretary of Homeland Security moral
it's ever been wherever it's thought of being, so, God
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blessed date of Texas. They took the first rail on
this And again, I can't thank you enough. Every time
I see I call you out. Thank you for being
the tip of the spear. I see you everywhere wanting
the secure border, and you're fighting hard for me, and
you're fighting hard for the men and women the border
toe You're fighting hard for the men and women of Ice.
I love each and every one of those men and
put their live on line for this country every day,
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men and women, and I appreciate your fight for them.
You've had their six and day one, and I love
you for it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, Tom, let me thank you for that. I appreciate that,
and I appreciate your passion and commitment. You were You're
showing up, and you said something that I think is
really important for our listeners to understand. You and President
Trump right now are quite literally saving lives. You are
saving lives. There are Americans, and there are significant number
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of Americans who are alive today because a violent criminal
did not cross the border, was not released, and didn't
murder them. There are women who have not been raped
because you've stopped the Biden practice of releasing rapists. There
are children and the number of children who haven't been
physically and sexually assaulted by human traffickers. It is already
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I think well into the thousands. And I want you
to think about that. Thousands of little girls, thousands of
little boys have not been violently, repeatedly raped by human traffickers.
Why because President Trump came in and because you've been
the borders are implementing it and secured the border, and
those kids are no longer being trafficked. That is a
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profound legacy in just four or five months.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And let me go one step further. Of Trump asked
me to do three things. Security border, run the large
largest deep rotation offers I've ever seen, and find these
children and buy an administration over half a million children
were smuggling in this country, separated from their family, smuggling
this country and put in the hands of sponsors, many
unvetter sponsors. The last administration lost track of three hundred
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thousand of them. Doesn't Trumps committed to finding as many
as you can. We've already found over seventy five hundred
of them. Wow. Some of thee were fir free, safe
with family, some were perfectly safe, and some weren't. Example
just there for yes, say a fourteen year old little
girl already to sex traffic, was pregnant living with two
men who are trafficking there where were going to prison
and we're helping that little girl. So we're going to
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rescue every one of these little girls and make sure
that they're safe because so many of them are going
to be okay with family members. They just didn't respond
to problems or so forth. But many, I guarantee, I've
been doing this for over forty years. Many of them
are in sex trafficking, many of them are in forced labor,
living a life of hell every day. We're committed to
find every one of these little children and making sure
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they're safe.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You mentioned finding them all. Let's talk about sanctuary cities
for a second. It's very clear Democrats are not backing
off of that. How dangerous is the policy and and
and who is being harbored in these cities that are
refusing to work with you guys? Will there be accountability?
Are they harboring MS thirteen gang members and domestic terrorists,
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foreign terrorists? Uh, those that are putting the fetnol out
in society. How dangerous are these cities?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, they're the dangerous, the dangerous for everybody because in
the sanctuary city means you don't have access to the jail.
Arrust A bad guy public safety threat in the safety
and security of the jail, where the alien safe, the
officers safe, on the public safe. When sanctuary cities knowingly
released a public safety a threat back in the street,
it certainly puts the community at risk. He even puts
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the alien at risk because anything can happen during the
street arrest and great it puts the officers that great
risk because now we've got to arrest a criminal alien
public safety threat on his turf. We as access to
who knows what weapons. It's very dangerous and yest will
host sanctuary cities accountable. Its pam binding has already fought
lawsuits against several Uh, we're we're we're working with DJ
now again. We want we want where's that right, where's
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that where's that line? Where when do you cross that line?
You can sit there and watch ICE do your job.
Because here's what irritates me the most. I don't care
what party you're in. If you're an elected mayor, elect,
a city council person, or elected governor, your number one
responsibility it's the safety and security of your neighborhoods, your communities.
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ICE has been cleared from the beginning with President Trump
we're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
Why will you not help us make your community safer.
There's no downside on that. And the sanctuary cities want
to argue what we're a sanctuary city because we want
victims and witnesses of crime, if they're illegally United States
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to feel comfortable coming to the law enforcement without fear
of working with ICE. That is a bunch of crap victims,
and this is a crime. Don't want the bad guy
in the neighborhood either. And as far as the illegal
alien community, I'll say this, despite being here illegally, many
of them are god fearing family people. They don't want
a pretor in the neighborhood either. They don't want someone
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to commit to DUI ten times driving to their neighborhood either.
So you know, if you go to the immigrant community
and ask the one simple question, would you rather have
ICE operating in the jail or in your community, what
do you think they're gonna say. They're gonna say to jail.
So sanctuousities will be held accountable. Matter of fact, we're
reissuing the ICE detainer. We just changed the new ICE
detainer We're letting them black and white, let them know
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this person is a designated terrorist, this person is a
designated return felon. We're gonna let them know exactly who
there detaining based on biographic and biometric information and see
what they do. Are they gonna violate Relates and Riley Act?
Then we'll go out to prosecution. Now they're going to
know at least a terrorist. Then we're going to go
out to prosecution. So it's about to get a lot
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tougher and it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, And let me ask, how worried are you that
they're a terrorists who came across the southern border in
the last four years, that are out there and that
are planning acts of terror in the United States right now?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I'm convinced we got over two million known guideways. Why
did two million people pay more to get away? They
pay the cartels a lot more money to escape apprehension
and get to New York's Chicago. Whoever, why didn't they
pay less? Why would you pay more to get away?
Because you don't want to be vetted, you don't want
a two things or printed. It's just scared to hell off.
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Every American scared as hell on me. Somebody's going to be,
you know, child traffickers. Some of these are Karen patanaw
and some of these are going to be people from
the terrorist sponsored country. Under Joe Biden, we wrest over
four hundred people on terrace. Wass's come in the Southwest border.
If you don't think a single one of the two
manin Godaways didn't come from a country sponsoring terror, didn't
come here to do us harm, then you're just crazy.
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As you know it was what was it? Just not
a few months ago we arrested eight that we're paying
a terrorist attack, a Russian type terrorist tack the United States.
Luckily a tellison community call him on some chair and
we are able to arrest them. But we're not perfect
intelligence community. It's imperfect. They weren't perfect in Afghanistan. They
weren't perfect on a lot of things. So God help us.
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I think they're here just intelligent port stander here. We
know where some aren't being monitored, but we don't know
where others are. So that scares the hell on me.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well, And as you know, Chris Ray, the former director
of the FBI, every few months would come to Congress,
and he would do everything but set off an alarm
and bang a drum to say we are at major
risk of a terrorist attack from the open borders. Hamas
and Hezbelah have declared jahads on America. As you know,
the border patrol under Joe Biden was advised beyond on
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the lookout for Hamas has Blo and Palestinian Islamic Jehad
terrorists coming across the southern border. And one of the things,
Tommy you said that was really important. Of the twelve
million illegal immigrants that came under Joe Biden, roughly two
million of those were god aways. That's by far the
most troubling of all those folks. The other ten million
are people who are apprehended, and apprehended in many instances
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is the wrong term, because as you know, and I've
spent a lot of time down on the southern border,
I almost always go out on midnight patrol with the
border patrol agents. When I'm there, Apprehended doesn't even characterize
what they were doing. Most nights, people would cross the
border and they'd go look for a border patrol agent
and actively turn themselves in because the result would be
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that Joe Biden would say where do you want to go,
and would fly them to wherever they wanted to be. Literally,
the Biden administration was the last mile of the human
trafficking network. But Tom, what you said is exactly right.
Those two million guidaways are much more likely to be
violent criminals, much more likely to be murderers or rapist
or child molesters, much more likely to be MS thirteen
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gang members, much more likely.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
To be terrorist.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that's the population that is most worrisome. And speaking
of MS thirteen gang members, I thought politics could not
get weirder. The Democrats have decided to go all in,
making their central party platform be that we should admit
more illegal aliens, and in particular, we want more Venezuelan
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gang members MS thirteen gang members here. And they decided
that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is their poster child for the
Democrat Party. Tom, how confident to tell us about Abrego Garcia?
How confident are you that he's a gang member, that
he's a criminal.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I'm very confident, and I've talked to the head of
Vice numerous times. People are understanding, So he got no
due process, Yes he did. He got due process from
two different federal judges who said he's at the United States,
a citizen Al Salvador, and he gave up order of deportation.
He had a great two process, a great text. Theyre
spense on top of that men winter ice and they
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sent those two plane loads of tdat MS thirteen. Hundreds
and hundreds of hours were spent on every case. They
went to the criminal history the immigration had, They went
to intelligence report, they went to confidential informance statements, they
went to wire taps, they went to a bunch of
stuff to certify these people were members of tvaight MS thirteen.
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So they got due process several times. Obrego Garcia's home,
he's a citizen Al Salvador. And for those the Democrats said,
well they made a mistake. I still say it was
a mistake. It was an over temporary Oversecond, here's the
problem he had it withholding order. He had not returned
to Al Salvador because he feared death from the gang.
Two things have changed since that order was given. Number one,
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he's a designated terror so that with holding order has
been set aside. Number two, the gang he feared it
no longer exists now Salvador because the great work, President
BUCKETI did there, so the circumstances surround that with holding
order are no longer valid. And here's what would happened.
If somebody was to make this guy return to the
United States, he would be detained and removed the next day,
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if not to Al Salvador, to another country. He's not here,
but as President Boukeley said, he is a pre certified
national of Al Salvador. He is home. He is home.
He is a certified Heminister team member, not just by ice,
by local police departments, intelligience reports, Immigration judges in the
country of Al Salvador says he's a eministery team member.
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He's home is exactly where he should be. This country,
his wife, his neighborhood is a lot safer because he
locked up.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I want to go back to accountability for a second time,
and I want to ask you there are a lot
of people that believe that there were laws that were
broken deliberately in the last administration. They knew they were
breaking the law. One of those would be former Homeland
Security Secretary. My orc is that you mentioned a moment ago.
Should he be criminally prosecuted for his role in the
border crisis. If it was as deliberate as it now seems.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Look, I think what he did was borderline trees in
this I'm not an attorney, I'm not a prosecutor. But
what he did, he did more damage to this country.
Him and the by the administration. What they did to
this country, I can tell you when they opened that
border up sex trafficking women should to increase tenfold of
a record number of migrants died making that journey. Over
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four thousand or record number of Americans died from Fatanah
that come across that open border. And and it's just
what he what he calls this country and from a
national securities perspective, because here's what his orders were, process quick,
release quick. They didn't care about the crisis. They cared
about the optics of the crisis. If there's no overcrowding,
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there's nothing to see here. So border trades were processed
as quick as they could, and releases a quick as
they could. And there's been several instances where they released
so quickly the FBI scan didn't come back and and
it came back hot. Actually they already bember released. They
came back hot. As a known spectatorian. So yeah, What
he did was unconsortable. What he did is my opinion,
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borderline treason. Is he should be held accountable because a
lot of deaths occurred under his watch. And like, like
Sandra Cruz said a few minutes ago, right now, ninety
six percent decline and illegal immigration when ninety six percent
less people are coming, How many women aren't being raped?
How many children aren't dying crossing that border. How many
no inspected terariors aren't getting in the country. How many
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pounds of fatanyl is not getting the country? What are
you going to see in the President Trump's administration? Ventanyl deaths,
a decrease, sex trafficking with decrease, smuggling with decrease, and
no inspected tarors. They got no open night anymore. Now
that we got the board secure, every single borders religion
is on the lying on patrol. During his National security
duty under Joe Biden, it was an average most days,
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an average seventy percent seven zero seventy percent of agents
were no longer on patrol. They were changing diapers, making
baby formula, making hospital runs. The last time aren't down there.
Before the election, I talked to hundreds of board places
and told me to hang on, hang on, changes coming.
I really think the President Tump's going to win. But
they told me, no, we're sick of being tour station.
We're sick of being uber drivers and deliver these people
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to the very same people who pay for their smuggling.
They couldn't recruit. They couldn't people were quitting. They were
quickly for it, even as well for retirement. They couldn't
red recruiting numbers. You know, last month, Ice, I'm excuse me,
Bord Patrol had the highst recruiting numbers and the history
of that agency just last month.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's fantastic. And look, I will say Tom's not exaggerating
at all. Like when I would visit with Border Patrol
agents the frustration. Look, the men and women who sign
up for the Border Patrol, they do do so because
they're patriots. They do so because they love America. They
do so because they want to keep our communities and
our families and our kids safe, and they want to
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be out on patrol. Look, these that's what you sign
up in the job. And they were sitting there just
shuffling paperwork, they were processing and just running a revolving
door to try to release as many illegal immigrants as
fast as possible. That's what may Orc has looked viewed
as job is accelerate illegal immigration, not stop it, but
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make it go more quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Let me ask you, Tom, you mentioned fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
What do we know about the numbers of fentanyl traffic
over the first four months of the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
There's been a decrease, and I've got from three or
four different sources. The percentage of decrease is different from
every source. The problem is the CDC doesn't have good
metrics on fatanyl. But look across the country. You can
see the decrease in fatanyl. Fatanyl's being c's on the
southern border. And it's the metrics and that's maybe something
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you all work on up there in the Senate. Uh.
CDC needs a track is more, more more accurately. Like
I said, you got you got a number of deaths
reported by states. You got a number of deaths reported
by CDC. None of them match. So, but we do
know there's been a reduction. You don't see you know
three hundred people dying every day from fantolic We did that,
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did see? Right? We know? We don't I have two
you know, nine to elevens a week happening from kids
dying from fatanah. So I don't have exact numbers, but
we already see the effects of a secure board.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And Tom, let me ask you also, So, one of
the things we've talked about on this podcast. In twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made roughly five hundred million dollars
from human trafficking. Last year, the drug cartels made over
thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking. That's a twenty six
hundred percent increase. Do we have any data yet? Do
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you have any visibility on what has happened to the
drug cartel's revenue? Because one of the worst consequences of
what Biden's open border did is is it turned these vicious, murderous,
transnational criminal organizations into incredibly wealthy powerhouses, and it put
huge resources in their pockets. Do do you have any
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data on what's happened to their revenues?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Well, one of the first best thing President Trump did
is designated terurist organization. Because you start to have killed
more Americans and every turnance organization were combined. We knew that.
That's why there's so much buy on some Mexico. The
last four years, cartels were fighting each other for control
of the Plauzas. Why because they're making record amounts of money,
smuggling people, record amount of money and trafficking women and children,
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and a record amount of money moving dope across that border. Now,
with the board secure, we're hitting them where it hurts.
Are smugglings down, both drugs and people. Trafficking is down,
So we're hitting where it hurts. That's why the latest
intelligence force I see they're trying to produce and push
more fatanol into Asian European nations because their market here
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the United States has been so brutally attacked. I wish
what would happen is that Mexico would agree with President
Trump to let us help them take the cartels and
wipe them off the face of the ears. Because right
now they're like the holical cartel. They're in forty four
countries around the globe. They're like a fortune five hundred company.
It's going to take the United States to take them on.
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Mexico's failed for decades to do it, and a lot
of mech sure you know that military police and government
forstses are corrupt. I'll say this, A lot of the
corruption is force corruption. Because you're a police officer Mexo.
You're making you know, four hundred dollars a month, but
a Mexican tartel comes up and obviously ten thousand look
the other way, and you're going to take it? Are
they going to kill you and your family? I think
Mexico will be a much safer and much prosper more
(32:22):
prosperous country if they let President Trump help them hpe
the cartels off the face of the ear.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Look that that is absolutely right. And let me underscore
that point. A lot of people don't realize, particularly those
on the left, that that what Joe Biden the Democrats did,
it wasn't just horribly cruel to the American people, it
was horribly cruel to Mexican nationals in Mexico. Turning these
vicious criminals into the most powerful economic force in Mexico
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has increased the murder rate, the crime rate, the kidnapping
rate rate. I visited with with a Mexican mayor of
a town on the other side of the border, and
I'm not going to say which mayor because he told
me in confidence because he was afraid.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But he said in his town.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They had had over three thousand disappearances, just people Mexican
nationals living in Mexico who just ran a foul of
the cartel and they just disappear and they find mass
graves and the suffering and murder and kidnapping that that
that has happened in Mexico because of the Democrats political
(33:30):
decision I think was cruel and horrible. And and Tom,
you're exactly right that the US military can take out
the cartels, and we've done it before in Colombia. President
Uribe asked the military to come in and take out
the cartels in Colombia, and we came in and did that,
and we could do it again. And and I do
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think it would be much better if the Mexican government
invited US in. It would have transformational impact within Mexico.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
To say a lot of lives, like say, lexing cartoons
have killed thousands of judges and prosecutors and journalists, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And citizens.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you know, I wish they I wish they'd joined
with President Trump and that would be a game changer,
uh for Mexico and the United Things.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
All right, final question, we saw just this week that
that New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica mac Ivor was charged
for assaulting law enforcement at an ICE facility. Uh, tell me,
tell us how important that is and and what do
you think about about the fact that that charges were
brought for assault. We saw during the Biden administration repeatedly, Uh,
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law enforcement, Customs, border patrol, ICE agents were subject to
physical assault, no charges were brought. How important is it
that that these charges were brought?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
The suns of strong messs is very important and also
proves that on bluff I'd said them the David auguration.
If you want to not support ICE, well, shame mind you,
but you have that right. You want to protest against
ICE and to protests against Trump's policies, that's fine. If
you want to watch ICE come in and clean your
city up because you're a sanctuary city, don't want to help,
you can do that too, But ICE had from day one.
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You can't cross that line. You can't cross the line
of impediment. That's a felony. You can't cross the line
on noialing and harboring, concealing and able to go amis MICE,
that's a felony. You certainly can't commit criminal trespasses at
our facilities, and for God's sake, you can't put hands
on I ice officers. And this happened during the same
time frame. The same week I went to Blue Mass
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in Washington, d C. And Remembrance of the men and
women in law enforce and put their lives on the
lines of this country every day. So we spent a
week just just just praising these men and women, talking
to their families who also paid the ultimate sacrifice. They
lost the loved one forever, children lost their fathers and mothers,
and mothers and fathers lost their sons and daughters. In
the same week we're supposed to be honor in law enforcement,
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you got some of the member Congress putting their hands
in shoving an ICE officer, which makes that facility very unsafe.
And I'm sick and tired of hearing what we have
congression oversight responsibilities. There is a right way and wrong
way to do it. You don't force your way in
the facility. You don't put hands on an officer. We
do oversight all the time. And what are they finding
out as people are getting tours in that facility that
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they have the highest detention standards in the industry and
It puts every every other detention center in jail in
the state of New Jersey, whether it is a county
or state. It puts them to shame because our detention
standards are so high. So when you go and calls
that kind of practice, where we're trying to maintain a
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facility with very dangerous people inside, we got to protect
not only the criminals, we gotta protect the employees and
the citizens on the outside. What she did was just horrendous.
She put hands on an officer. Like they said for
four years, no one's above the law. You're damn right.
They're not above the law, even members of Congress. The
president is above the law, but these are members of Congress.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Look amen, And I will say, Tom, I've I've visited
dozens of ICE facilities and CBP facilities. I've never found
it difficult to refrain from physical assault on an officer. Somehow,
that temptation was never there for me, and in fact
for the opposite. It is my job to have their backs.
That's a job I take incredibly seriously. And I just
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want to say, Tom, you were a patriot, You were
a great American. We have roughly a million unique listeners
who listened to verdict and I want to say, on
behalf of all of them, and on behalf of thirty
one million Texans, thank you for what you are doing.
You are keeping my children safer and Tom I am
grateful you are on that frontline for us, and you
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and President Trump are making a massive difference for the
entire country.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Well, I appreciate that, but I'm not going to take credit.
Please give the thing for your listeners. You see a
borbous agent, Yes, just say thank you, because I cannot
believe that. We knew they're going to take hate as
soon as President Something got back in. But say thank
you because these men, women, their mothers and fathers too.
They don't hang their heart on a hook at home.
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When they go to work, they see a lot of
terrible things. They put the life on the line. At
three o'clock this morning, when everybody is sleeping, Me and
Sender is sleeping. At three am this morning, there's borbite
laces and standing on a dirt trail someplace going to
take something on. They don't know if it's just an
illegal alien or heavily armed drug smunker. They're going to
take it on in the nearest back of us miles away.
God bless the men and women of borbetow, God best
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the women of Vice, and God bless this great nation.
We're taking it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
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Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson with you, Senator.
One of the best things about getting to do this
show is having on brilliant minds from within the administration
who get to talk directly the American people. And today
we get to have another very special guest, a.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Good friend of yours.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The Borders Are is joining us and I'll let you
take it from there.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, Tom Homan is serving as President Trump's Borders Are.
He is the former acting director of the US Immigration
and Customs Enforcement and he has been borders Are since
Trump resumed office as president. His formal title, which I like,
is what White House Executive Associate Director of Enforcement and
(00:43):
Removal Operations. And to be clear, his job is to
secure the border, keep US safe, and remove dangerous illegal aliens.
He's doing a hell of a job. Tom, Welcome to Verdict.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So let's start with just how are we doing?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
And we're four months in, almost five months into the
Trump presidency. How are we doing? Tell us what has
happened since President Trump became president again?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
On the border?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, President Trump today, where I'm talking to today san
Or the Cruz. We have the most secure border in
the history of this nation. Today, the most secure board ever.
I mean we even beat Trump forty five. Well, we
hand the Biden administration's most secure boarder ever ahead of
that time. But the Dad is even better now. And
let me give you a few numbers, just a few numbers.
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Under Biden administration, we were dealing with ten eleven thousand,
even a few times fifteen thousand aliens to day yesterday
it was two hundred and eleven. We went from thirteen
fourteen thousand to two hundred and eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
And that's across the entire southwest border.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes, gotaways under Biden an average gotaway day and under
Biden was eighteen hundred plus eighteen hundred plus got aways
yesterday thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And then the most impressive number the first one hundred
days on President Trump compared to the first the same
time period last year under Biden, Biden released over one
hundred and eighty four thousand illegal animates in this country.
The Trump administration one there was nine releases. But for
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more material witnesses. As you know, we want them to
come here to testifying the Carpol troal so form we
want to command four came across the border in such
bad shape that we had to call an ambulance and
take care of the medical needs. We had allowment insided
medical treatment, but we had one one discretionary release compared
to one hundred and eighty four thousand released under the
(02:44):
same time period. Are in biden most secure border history
of nation. Interior enforcement offerings ices arrested three times more
criminals than Biden did during the same time period. We
got more to rest, We got many more to rest,
but they're already hitting the ball out of park. Don't
keep doing it when you do more of it. And
we're hoping for a budget real soon here so we
(03:04):
can step up efforts there. But it's it's game changing.
President Trump's been a game changer, and the men and women,
vice and men, women, barb stood up taking on the
task and cousindent. Trump did in seven weeks, but Joe
Biden couldn't or wouldn't do in four years.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
My favorite line from from President Trump's most recent State
of the Union address it is when he said, you know,
Joe Biden stood here a year ago and said that
he couldn't secure the border without new legislation passing Congress
and then Trump said, it turns out we didn't need
new legislation, We just needed a new president and and.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And that's powerfully true.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
So let me ask just just a simple question for
those Look, you're you're an immigration expert, but for someone
at home, how did the numbers drop so precipitously? What
specifically are y'all doing differently than than what Joe Biden,
Kamala Harris did.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The biggest thing we've done is a president's executive orders
that are We're a game changer, remain EXCO a game changer.
I have the third State Country Agreements a game changer,
and finally ending catcher release. People know you come to
a border, now you're not being released, and we're just
followed the law because, as you know, under federal statue,
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an alien arrives at our border without proper documentation to
enter the language is you shall be detained. Now maybe
not thinking about it, not problem shall And that's exactly
where we're doing. Those street things, by themselves have been
a major game changer, and all three of them were
EXCO lords by.
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That's IFCJ dot org.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You mentioned budget a moment ago and how important it
is to have the budget for you guys to continue
your job.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Explain for everyone listening.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Is that referencing that the big beautiful bill and what
is in there that you need so much to continue
to do your job at the border.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, we want to make the border secure permanently, so
we need more infrastructure, right, so we need to finish
building that wall. Now, let's be clear, every place they
build a border barrier, illegal migrations went down, illegal drug
flow went down, But most important walls save lives. Women
and children can't get over that wall, the most vulnerable,
so they go to a place so there's not a
wall on what's waiting on them the men and women
(06:31):
of the Borderatrol first of all. So the ball saves lives.
So we need to finish the border barrier. We need
money to finish the technology within the existing border wall,
because not only did President by And stop the construction
of the wall, he stopped adding the technology in that
smart wall, technology that lets us know how someone climbs
that wall, touch this wall, dig under that wall. Technology
where borbitual agents in the middle of nowhere can get
(06:53):
on the radio and use the wall as a repeater
to talk to other agents for help. There are some
places on the southern border where they lose all community.
So all that technology needs to be done. More technology yet,
portive entries to make sure no Ventana's coming through. And
as far as the entire enforcement, we need beds. Right now.
We got about fifty two thousand people in detention. We're
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funder that thirty four thousand ICE is already in the hole.
We need about one hundred thousand beds because everybody we
arrest needs a bet. We just don't rest abody in
New York City and put them on a plane leave.
We got detained for several days or several weeks, to
get travel doctrines, get flight flight arrangements, flight finances. So
we need bets. So we need you know, so this budget,
that depending budget right now, the Big beautiful Bill will
(07:35):
give us money for those beds. They're going to give
us thousands of more borbitiacens, thousands more ICE agents. It's
going to give ICE a budget to bring in more
contracts up. What I mean by that badgers and guns
shouldn't be sitting at a desk doing reports of processing.
They shouldn't be sitting at a desk doing travel documents
and all the all the administrative duties that occur within ice.
(07:58):
You can have a contract to sitting there doing that work.
Give that badging gun, get them out on the street
to arrest the public safety thrusts and national security threats.
So we needed the money to Like I said, we're
doing more than Biden did, but Biden wasn't doing anything.
We need to do ten times more than buying it too,
not three times more. And I'll leave you with this.
We got seven hundred thousand illegal aliens in this country
with a criminal conviction walking the streets this country. We
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got to get them. We got to get it quickly.
We got one point four man illegal aliens who do
have due process, a great taxpayer expense. We're ordered removed
by a federal judge and didn't leave and they become fusitives.
We got a lot of work to do, and we
need money to do more. We're doing good, but more
money we have, the more we can do well.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And Ben I'll say this that Congress, we will get
this Reconciliation bill passed. It's gonna take time, it's gonna
be bumpy, but we'll get it done. And when we
get it done, we're gonna have funding to build the wall.
We're gonna have funding for technology on the wall. We're
gonna have funding for more border patrol agents. We're gonna
have funding for more ice agents. We're gonna have funding
for more detention beds. We're gonna have funding for more
fixed wing and rhetory way aircraft. We're going to have
(09:01):
funding for more drones and more infrared and technology. We
are stepping in now. It's going to take a little
bit of time to get the bill across the finish line,
but I'm confident we'll do it. And I will say
it really underscores something we've said on Verdict many times,
which is the most important factor in securing the border.
And this is what Tom said just a minute ago.
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It is a policy decision, and it is a decision
what happens when you apprehend an illegal immigrant. And if
the answer is you put them on a plane and
you fly them back home. They all have cell phones.
They pick up their phones and they call home and
they say don't come. They're not letting you stay. And
the flip side is true if when you apprehend them,
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you let them go. You say what city do you
want to go to? And you put them on a plane,
you put them on a bus, and you let them
go in every city in America, which is what Joe
Biden was doing. Again, they all have phones. They pick
up the phone, they call their friends and family, and
the numbers skyrocket. And so when President Trump left office
the first time he had produced the lowest rate of
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illegal immigration in forty five years. That's what Joe Biden inherited.
It immediately skyrocketed to the worst rate of illegal immigration
in history. Joe Biden allowed twelve million of the illegal
immigrants to come into this country. And regular listeners of
Verdict will recall I predicted, I said, we will see
the numbers plummet. And it won't take a year, it
(10:26):
won't even take six months. It will happen immediately, because
on day one, catch and release is going to end,
and we're going to see the numbers plummet. Now all
that being said, Tom, let me ask you honestly, I
will admit I predicted loudly that the numbers would plummet.
I'll confess. I didn't think they'd drop over ninety nine percent.
Are you I'm surprised at just how massive the success is.
(10:50):
Are you a little bit surprised or.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, I'm not surprised for all the success. I'm surprised
how fast that happened. When President Trump, when he called me,
asked me to be the borders our course, I didn't.
Has Dak came back and the first meeting who he had,
he asked me, how long will it take you down
the secure the border? I says, sir, I need I
need at least one hundred and twenty days. He says, well,
I get a ninety. I said, sir, I'll respect one
hundred and twenty days, even pushing that we did this
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in seven weeks. Seven weeks numbers already down. Yep, ninety.
And you're exactly right. Everything you said is right. But
I want to add one thing. When Joe Biden opened
that border up, he's the first president in the history
of this nation who came into office and unsecured a
border on purpose. This wasn't mismanagement, this wasn't incompetence. He
ran on open borders, and that's exactly what he did.
(11:38):
You know. So when you tell the whole world enter
the country legally, don't worry about it. We're going to
release you anyways. And when you got a secondary of
ma orcust on ice. You can't arrest somebody for being
here illegally unless they got a serious criminal conviction. The
whole world's going to come. You can cross the border illegally.
You get released in twenty four hours. We won't give
you a free plane ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to put you in a free hotel room.
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We're going to give you three meals a day. We're
going to give you free medical attention. And guess what,
hanging out for one hundred and twenty days, We're gonna
give you a work assization. The very reason they came
Hery not because of asylum, because they wanted a job. So
Biden did what he did, I'm purposed, and President Trump
came back in seven weeks again seven weeks did what
Joe Biden couldn't do or wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Repeat the numbers you said about how many illegals are
in the US right now who have criminal convictions, and
to be clear, these are convictions for crimes other than
crossing illegally into the country. Every illegal has committed that crime,
But how many have convictions for murder, for rape, for
other crimes other than crossing the border illegally.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Just under seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I mean, that is a stunning number. And what you're saying,
and I agree with you, is is that Joe Biden
deliberately chose We're going to leave murderers here, We're going
to leave rapists in America, We're going to leave child
molesters in America. We're not going to send ice to
arrest them, We're not going to pick them up, we're
not going to deport them. That they put partisan politics
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above protecting American families, about protecting our kids.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
That's why I woke up four years pissed off every morning.
President Trump when he called me, asked me to come back,
and he said to me, we've been E've been bitching
about it for four years. Want to come back and
fix it. And I did because I knew every morning
I wake up, and Senator you know this just as
well as I do. I knew every morning when I
woke up, how many children died acrossing the borders last night,
how many women got sexually assaulted. How many people on
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Terrace Roster's got across the border. How many women and
children were sex traffick in this country? How many billions
of dollars in the cartels make how many Americans died
in the last twenty four hours from Fetannah coming across
the open border for four years, I was pissed off.
President Trump came back, like I said, in seven weeks.
We had a border down ninety percent in seven weeks.
So you know, just like you said, it was a
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matter of President the matter enforce the law. You know,
I'll tell you it's center cruise. And you know, every
time I seen the meeting, every time I see you
in the meeting, I call you out. I call you
out because you've been a tip of the speer on
this thing. I appreciate your working us. You're from Texas,
you know, And God bless Governor Abbit. Governor Abbitt did
he was more of a Secretary of Homeland Security moral
it's ever been wherever it's thought of being, so, God
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blessed date of Texas. They took the first rail on
this And again, I can't thank you enough. Every time
I see I call you out. Thank you for being
the tip of the spear. I see you everywhere wanting
the secure border, and you're fighting hard for me, and
you're fighting hard for the men and women the border
toe You're fighting hard for the men and women of Ice.
I love each and every one of those men and
put their live on line for this country every day,
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men and women, and I appreciate your fight for them.
You've had their six and day one, and I love
you for it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, Tom, let me thank you for that. I appreciate that,
and I appreciate your passion and commitment. You were You're
showing up, and you said something that I think is
really important for our listeners to understand. You and President
Trump right now are quite literally saving lives. You are
saving lives. There are Americans, and there are significant number
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of Americans who are alive today because a violent criminal
did not cross the border, was not released, and didn't
murder them. There are women who have not been raped
because you've stopped the Biden practice of releasing rapists. There
are children and the number of children who haven't been
physically and sexually assaulted by human traffickers. It is already
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I think well into the thousands. And I want you
to think about that. Thousands of little girls, thousands of
little boys have not been violently, repeatedly raped by human traffickers.
Why because President Trump came in and because you've been
the borders are implementing it and secured the border, and
those kids are no longer being trafficked. That is a
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profound legacy in just four or five months.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And let me go one step further. Of Trump asked
me to do three things. Security border, run the large
largest deep rotation offers I've ever seen, and find these
children and buy an administration over half a million children
were smuggling in this country, separated from their family, smuggling
this country and put in the hands of sponsors, many
unvetter sponsors. The last administration lost track of three hundred
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thousand of them. Doesn't Trumps committed to finding as many
as you can. We've already found over seventy five hundred
of them. Wow. Some of thee were fir free, safe
with family, some were perfectly safe, and some weren't. Example
just there for yes, say a fourteen year old little
girl already to sex traffic, was pregnant living with two
men who are trafficking there where were going to prison
and we're helping that little girl. So we're going to
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rescue every one of these little girls and make sure
that they're safe because so many of them are going
to be okay with family members. They just didn't respond
to problems or so forth. But many, I guarantee, I've
been doing this for over forty years. Many of them
are in sex trafficking, many of them are in forced labor,
living a life of hell every day. We're committed to
find every one of these little children and making sure
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they're safe.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You mentioned finding them all. Let's talk about sanctuary cities
for a second. It's very clear Democrats are not backing
off of that. How dangerous is the policy and and
and who is being harbored in these cities that are
refusing to work with you guys? Will there be accountability?
Are they harboring MS thirteen gang members and domestic terrorists,
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foreign terrorists? Uh, those that are putting the fetnol out
in society. How dangerous are these cities?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, they're the dangerous, the dangerous for everybody because in
the sanctuary city means you don't have access to the jail.
Arrust A bad guy public safety threat in the safety
and security of the jail, where the alien safe, the
officers safe, on the public safe. When sanctuary cities knowingly
released a public safety a threat back in the street,
it certainly puts the community at risk. He even puts
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the alien at risk because anything can happen during the
street arrest and great it puts the officers that great
risk because now we've got to arrest a criminal alien
public safety threat on his turf. We as access to
who knows what weapons. It's very dangerous and yest will
host sanctuary cities accountable. Its pam binding has already fought
lawsuits against several Uh, we're we're we're working with DJ
now again. We want we want where's that right, where's
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that where's that line? Where when do you cross that line?
You can sit there and watch ICE do your job.
Because here's what irritates me the most. I don't care
what party you're in. If you're an elected mayor, elect,
a city council person, or elected governor, your number one
responsibility it's the safety and security of your neighborhoods, your communities.
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ICE has been cleared from the beginning with President Trump
we're going to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
Why will you not help us make your community safer.
There's no downside on that. And the sanctuary cities want
to argue what we're a sanctuary city because we want
victims and witnesses of crime, if they're illegally United States
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to feel comfortable coming to the law enforcement without fear
of working with ICE. That is a bunch of crap victims,
and this is a crime. Don't want the bad guy
in the neighborhood either. And as far as the illegal
alien community, I'll say this, despite being here illegally, many
of them are god fearing family people. They don't want
a pretor in the neighborhood either. They don't want someone
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to commit to DUI ten times driving to their neighborhood either.
So you know, if you go to the immigrant community
and ask the one simple question, would you rather have
ICE operating in the jail or in your community, what
do you think they're gonna say. They're gonna say to jail.
So sanctuousities will be held accountable. Matter of fact, we're
reissuing the ICE detainer. We just changed the new ICE
detainer We're letting them black and white, let them know
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this person is a designated terrorist, this person is a
designated return felon. We're gonna let them know exactly who
there detaining based on biographic and biometric information and see
what they do. Are they gonna violate Relates and Riley Act?
Then we'll go out to prosecution. Now they're going to
know at least a terrorist. Then we're going to go
out to prosecution. So it's about to get a lot
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tougher and it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Well, And let me ask, how worried are you that
they're a terrorists who came across the southern border in
the last four years, that are out there and that
are planning acts of terror in the United States right now?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I'm convinced we got over two million known guideways. Why
did two million people pay more to get away? They
pay the cartels a lot more money to escape apprehension
and get to New York's Chicago. Whoever, why didn't they
pay less? Why would you pay more to get away?
Because you don't want to be vetted, you don't want
a two things or printed. It's just scared to hell off.
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Every American scared as hell on me. Somebody's going to be,
you know, child traffickers. Some of these are Karen patanaw
and some of these are going to be people from
the terrorist sponsored country. Under Joe Biden, we wrest over
four hundred people on terrace. Wass's come in the Southwest border.
If you don't think a single one of the two
manin Godaways didn't come from a country sponsoring terror, didn't
come here to do us harm, then you're just crazy.
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As you know it was what was it? Just not
a few months ago we arrested eight that we're paying
a terrorist attack, a Russian type terrorist tack the United States.
Luckily a tellison community call him on some chair and
we are able to arrest them. But we're not perfect
intelligence community. It's imperfect. They weren't perfect in Afghanistan. They
weren't perfect on a lot of things. So God help us.
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I think they're here just intelligent port stander here. We
know where some aren't being monitored, but we don't know
where others are. So that scares the hell on me.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Well, And as you know, Chris Ray, the former director
of the FBI, every few months would come to Congress,
and he would do everything but set off an alarm
and bang a drum to say we are at major
risk of a terrorist attack from the open borders. Hamas
and Hezbelah have declared jahads on America. As you know,
the border patrol under Joe Biden was advised beyond on
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the lookout for Hamas has Blo and Palestinian Islamic Jehad
terrorists coming across the southern border. And one of the things,
Tommy you said that was really important. Of the twelve
million illegal immigrants that came under Joe Biden, roughly two
million of those were god aways. That's by far the
most troubling of all those folks. The other ten million
are people who are apprehended, and apprehended in many instances
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is the wrong term, because as you know, and I've
spent a lot of time down on the southern border,
I almost always go out on midnight patrol with the
border patrol agents. When I'm there, Apprehended doesn't even characterize
what they were doing. Most nights, people would cross the
border and they'd go look for a border patrol agent
and actively turn themselves in because the result would be
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that Joe Biden would say where do you want to go,
and would fly them to wherever they wanted to be. Literally,
the Biden administration was the last mile of the human
trafficking network. But Tom, what you said is exactly right.
Those two million guidaways are much more likely to be
violent criminals, much more likely to be murderers or rapist
or child molesters, much more likely to be MS thirteen
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gang members, much more likely.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
To be terrorist.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that's the population that is most worrisome. And speaking
of MS thirteen gang members, I thought politics could not
get weirder. The Democrats have decided to go all in,
making their central party platform be that we should admit
more illegal aliens, and in particular, we want more Venezuelan
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gang members MS thirteen gang members here. And they decided
that Kilmar Abrego Garcia is their poster child for the
Democrat Party. Tom, how confident to tell us about Abrego Garcia?
How confident are you that he's a gang member, that
he's a criminal.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I'm very confident, and I've talked to the head of
Vice numerous times. People are understanding, So he got no
due process, Yes he did. He got due process from
two different federal judges who said he's at the United States,
a citizen Al Salvador, and he gave up order of deportation.
He had a great two process, a great text. Theyre
spense on top of that men winter ice and they
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sent those two plane loads of tdat MS thirteen. Hundreds
and hundreds of hours were spent on every case. They
went to the criminal history the immigration had, They went
to intelligence report, they went to confidential informance statements, they
went to wire taps, they went to a bunch of
stuff to certify these people were members of tvaight MS thirteen.
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So they got due process several times. Obrego Garcia's home,
he's a citizen Al Salvador. And for those the Democrats said,
well they made a mistake. I still say it was
a mistake. It was an over temporary Oversecond, here's the
problem he had it withholding order. He had not returned
to Al Salvador because he feared death from the gang.
Two things have changed since that order was given. Number one,
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he's a designated terror so that with holding order has
been set aside. Number two, the gang he feared it
no longer exists now Salvador because the great work, President
BUCKETI did there, so the circumstances surround that with holding
order are no longer valid. And here's what would happened.
If somebody was to make this guy return to the
United States, he would be detained and removed the next day,
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if not to Al Salvador, to another country. He's not here,
but as President Boukeley said, he is a pre certified
national of Al Salvador. He is home. He is home.
He is a certified Heminister team member, not just by ice,
by local police departments, intelligience reports, Immigration judges in the
country of Al Salvador says he's a eministery team member.
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He's home is exactly where he should be. This country,
his wife, his neighborhood is a lot safer because he
locked up.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I want to go back to accountability for a second time,
and I want to ask you there are a lot
of people that believe that there were laws that were
broken deliberately in the last administration. They knew they were
breaking the law. One of those would be former Homeland
Security Secretary. My orc is that you mentioned a moment ago.
Should he be criminally prosecuted for his role in the
border crisis. If it was as deliberate as it now seems.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Look, I think what he did was borderline trees in
this I'm not an attorney, I'm not a prosecutor. But
what he did, he did more damage to this country.
Him and the by the administration. What they did to
this country, I can tell you when they opened that
border up sex trafficking women should to increase tenfold of
a record number of migrants died making that journey. Over
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four thousand or record number of Americans died from Fatanah
that come across that open border. And and it's just
what he what he calls this country and from a
national securities perspective, because here's what his orders were, process quick,
release quick. They didn't care about the crisis. They cared
about the optics of the crisis. If there's no overcrowding,
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there's nothing to see here. So border trades were processed
as quick as they could, and releases a quick as
they could. And there's been several instances where they released
so quickly the FBI scan didn't come back and and
it came back hot. Actually they already bember released. They
came back hot. As a known spectatorian. So yeah, What
he did was unconsortable. What he did is my opinion,
(26:53):
borderline treason. Is he should be held accountable because a
lot of deaths occurred under his watch. And like, like
Sandra Cruz said a few minutes ago, right now, ninety
six percent decline and illegal immigration when ninety six percent
less people are coming, How many women aren't being raped?
How many children aren't dying crossing that border. How many
no inspected terariors aren't getting in the country. How many
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pounds of fatanyl is not getting the country? What are
you going to see in the President Trump's administration? Ventanyl deaths,
a decrease, sex trafficking with decrease, smuggling with decrease, and
no inspected tarors. They got no open night anymore. Now
that we got the board secure, every single borders religion
is on the lying on patrol. During his National security
duty under Joe Biden, it was an average most days,
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an average seventy percent seven zero seventy percent of agents
were no longer on patrol. They were changing diapers, making
baby formula, making hospital runs. The last time aren't down there.
Before the election, I talked to hundreds of board places
and told me to hang on, hang on, changes coming.
I really think the President Tump's going to win. But
they told me, no, we're sick of being tour station.
We're sick of being uber drivers and deliver these people
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to the very same people who pay for their smuggling.
They couldn't recruit. They couldn't people were quitting. They were
quickly for it, even as well for retirement. They couldn't
red recruiting numbers. You know, last month, Ice, I'm excuse me,
Bord Patrol had the highst recruiting numbers and the history
of that agency just last month.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's fantastic. And look, I will say Tom's not exaggerating
at all. Like when I would visit with Border Patrol
agents the frustration. Look, the men and women who sign
up for the Border Patrol, they do do so because
they're patriots. They do so because they love America. They
do so because they want to keep our communities and
our families and our kids safe, and they want to
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be out on patrol. Look, these that's what you sign
up in the job. And they were sitting there just
shuffling paperwork, they were processing and just running a revolving
door to try to release as many illegal immigrants as
fast as possible. That's what may Orc has looked viewed
as job is accelerate illegal immigration, not stop it, but
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make it go more quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Let me ask you, Tom, you mentioned fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
What do we know about the numbers of fentanyl traffic
over the first four months of the Trump administration.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
There's been a decrease, and I've got from three or
four different sources. The percentage of decrease is different from
every source. The problem is the CDC doesn't have good
metrics on fatanyl. But look across the country. You can
see the decrease in fatanyl. Fatanyl's being c's on the
southern border. And it's the metrics and that's maybe something
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you all work on up there in the Senate. Uh.
CDC needs a track is more, more more accurately. Like
I said, you got you got a number of deaths
reported by states. You got a number of deaths reported
by CDC. None of them match. So, but we do
know there's been a reduction. You don't see you know
three hundred people dying every day from fantolic We did that,
(29:58):
did see? Right? We know? We don't I have two
you know, nine to elevens a week happening from kids
dying from fatanah. So I don't have exact numbers, but
we already see the effects of a secure board.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And Tom, let me ask you also, So, one of
the things we've talked about on this podcast. In twenty eighteen,
the Mexican drug cartels made roughly five hundred million dollars
from human trafficking. Last year, the drug cartels made over
thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking. That's a twenty six
hundred percent increase. Do we have any data yet? Do
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you have any visibility on what has happened to the
drug cartel's revenue? Because one of the worst consequences of
what Biden's open border did is is it turned these vicious, murderous,
transnational criminal organizations into incredibly wealthy powerhouses, and it put
huge resources in their pockets. Do do you have any
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data on what's happened to their revenues?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Well, one of the first best thing President Trump did
is designated terurist organization. Because you start to have killed
more Americans and every turnance organization were combined. We knew that.
That's why there's so much buy on some Mexico. The
last four years, cartels were fighting each other for control
of the Plauzas. Why because they're making record amounts of money,
smuggling people, record amount of money and trafficking women and children,
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and a record amount of money moving dope across that border. Now,
with the board secure, we're hitting them where it hurts.
Are smugglings down, both drugs and people. Trafficking is down,
So we're hitting where it hurts. That's why the latest
intelligence force I see they're trying to produce and push
more fatanol into Asian European nations because their market here
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the United States has been so brutally attacked. I wish
what would happen is that Mexico would agree with President
Trump to let us help them take the cartels and
wipe them off the face of the ears. Because right
now they're like the holical cartel. They're in forty four
countries around the globe. They're like a fortune five hundred company.
It's going to take the United States to take them on.
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Mexico's failed for decades to do it, and a lot
of mech sure you know that military police and government
forstses are corrupt. I'll say this, A lot of the
corruption is force corruption. Because you're a police officer Mexo.
You're making you know, four hundred dollars a month, but
a Mexican tartel comes up and obviously ten thousand look
the other way, and you're going to take it? Are
they going to kill you and your family? I think
Mexico will be a much safer and much prosper more
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prosperous country if they let President Trump help them hpe
the cartels off the face of the ear.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Look that that is absolutely right. And let me underscore
that point. A lot of people don't realize, particularly those
on the left, that that what Joe Biden the Democrats did,
it wasn't just horribly cruel to the American people, it
was horribly cruel to Mexican nationals in Mexico. Turning these
vicious criminals into the most powerful economic force in Mexico
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has increased the murder rate, the crime rate, the kidnapping
rate rate. I visited with with a Mexican mayor of
a town on the other side of the border, and
I'm not going to say which mayor because he told
me in confidence because he was afraid.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But he said in his town.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They had had over three thousand disappearances, just people Mexican
nationals living in Mexico who just ran a foul of
the cartel and they just disappear and they find mass
graves and the suffering and murder and kidnapping that that
that has happened in Mexico because of the Democrats political
(33:30):
decision I think was cruel and horrible. And and Tom,
you're exactly right that the US military can take out
the cartels, and we've done it before in Colombia. President
Uribe asked the military to come in and take out
the cartels in Colombia, and we came in and did that,
and we could do it again. And and I do
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think it would be much better if the Mexican government
invited US in. It would have transformational impact within Mexico.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
To say a lot of lives, like say, lexing cartoons
have killed thousands of judges and prosecutors and journalists, yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
And citizens.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you know, I wish they I wish they'd joined
with President Trump and that would be a game changer,
uh for Mexico and the United Things.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
All right, final question, we saw just this week that
that New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica mac Ivor was charged
for assaulting law enforcement at an ICE facility. Uh, tell me,
tell us how important that is and and what do
you think about about the fact that that charges were
brought for assault. We saw during the Biden administration repeatedly, Uh,
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law enforcement, Customs, border patrol, ICE agents were subject to
physical assault, no charges were brought. How important is it
that that these charges were brought?
Speaker 4 (34:50):
The suns of strong messs is very important and also
proves that on bluff I'd said them the David auguration.
If you want to not support ICE, well, shame mind you,
but you have that right. You want to protest against
ICE and to protests against Trump's policies, that's fine. If
you want to watch ICE come in and clean your
city up because you're a sanctuary city, don't want to help,
you can do that too, But ICE had from day one.
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You can't cross that line. You can't cross the line
of impediment. That's a felony. You can't cross the line
on noialing and harboring, concealing and able to go amis MICE,
that's a felony. You certainly can't commit criminal trespasses at
our facilities, and for God's sake, you can't put hands
on I ice officers. And this happened during the same
time frame. The same week I went to Blue Mass
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in Washington, d C. And Remembrance of the men and
women in law enforce and put their lives on the
lines of this country every day. So we spent a
week just just just praising these men and women, talking
to their families who also paid the ultimate sacrifice. They
lost the loved one forever, children lost their fathers and mothers,
and mothers and fathers lost their sons and daughters. In
the same week we're supposed to be honor in law enforcement,
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you got some of the member Congress putting their hands
in shoving an ICE officer, which makes that facility very unsafe.
And I'm sick and tired of hearing what we have
congression oversight responsibilities. There is a right way and wrong
way to do it. You don't force your way in
the facility. You don't put hands on an officer. We
do oversight all the time. And what are they finding
out as people are getting tours in that facility that
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they have the highest detention standards in the industry and
It puts every every other detention center in jail in
the state of New Jersey, whether it is a county
or state. It puts them to shame because our detention
standards are so high. So when you go and calls
that kind of practice, where we're trying to maintain a
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facility with very dangerous people inside, we got to protect
not only the criminals, we gotta protect the employees and
the citizens on the outside. What she did was just horrendous.
She put hands on an officer. Like they said for
four years, no one's above the law. You're damn right.
They're not above the law, even members of Congress. The
president is above the law, but these are members of Congress.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Look amen, And I will say, Tom, I've I've visited
dozens of ICE facilities and CBP facilities. I've never found
it difficult to refrain from physical assault on an officer. Somehow,
that temptation was never there for me, and in fact
for the opposite. It is my job to have their backs.
That's a job I take incredibly seriously. And I just
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want to say, Tom, you were a patriot, You were
a great American. We have roughly a million unique listeners
who listened to verdict and I want to say, on
behalf of all of them, and on behalf of thirty
one million Texans, thank you for what you are doing.
You are keeping my children safer and Tom I am
grateful you are on that frontline for us, and you
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and President Trump are making a massive difference for the
entire country.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Well, I appreciate that, but I'm not going to take credit.
Please give the thing for your listeners. You see a
borbous agent, Yes, just say thank you, because I cannot
believe that. We knew they're going to take hate as
soon as President Something got back in. But say thank
you because these men, women, their mothers and fathers too.
They don't hang their heart on a hook at home.
(38:04):
When they go to work, they see a lot of
terrible things. They put the life on the line. At
three o'clock this morning, when everybody is sleeping, Me and
Sender is sleeping. At three am this morning, there's borbite
laces and standing on a dirt trail someplace going to
take something on. They don't know if it's just an
illegal alien or heavily armed drug smunker. They're going to
take it on in the nearest back of us miles away.
God bless the men and women of borbetow, God best
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the women of Vice, and God bless this great nation.
We're taking it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
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