🎙️ Verdict with Ted Cruz — CNN Debate & Media Narratives
In this fiery episode, Senator Ted Cruz defends his decision to appear on CNN, pushing back against host Kaitlan Collins for what he describes as partisan interruptions and biased framing. Cruz argues that political violence is not equally distributed across the spectrum, asserting that conservative responses are rooted in peace and prayer, while left-wing movements often escalate into unrest.
Together with co-host Ben Ferguson, the duo takes aim at mainstream media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, and ABC, accusing them of dishonest coverage—particularly in the wake of a recent assassination. They dissect released text messages between the accused and his partner, framing them as a chilling confession, and criticize ABC News for portraying the exchange as “touching” or “romantic.”
Cruz also draws stark contrasts between leftist protests (BLM, Antifa, George Floyd demonstrations) and conservative gatherings, emphasizing what he sees as a double standard in media portrayal and public reaction.
The episode closes with a call to action, promoting the Flags of Fellowship campaign by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, encouraging listeners to stand in solidarity with Israel and honor the victims of the October 2023 terror attack.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in his verdict with center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson
with you. So nice to have you with us. And
just so you guys know, we are doing almost every
episode now on YouTube as well, So if you want
to watch this show, you can do it on YouTube
as well. This episode we're doing right now is on
YouTube and on audio downloads wherever you get your podcasts,
(00:21):
So we'll remind you about that.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
But we're certainly very very very excited about that. Senator.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We've got a lot to chat about tonight, including you
going into the lines then where I live for seven years.
I at first I got a text on him and said, hey,
what bet did Ted Cruz lose to go on CNN
with Caitlin Collins.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's actually a very good question. It was not with me.
It would have been a great bet.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All of a sudden I get text message you're on there,
I start watching and it was some fireworks.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well tonight I went on CNN with Caitlin Collins, and
I did so because CNN has been pushing so much
misinformation in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. I wanted
to go on and push back and they've been big
on the whole both sides ism that it's really both sides.
It's Republicans and Democrats that are engaging in violence. It's
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Republicans and Democrats that engage in hateful, violent rhetoric, and
so both sides are equally responsible, and that is a lie.
On our podcast just two days ago, we broke that
down at length. Well, tonight, I went on CNN to
battle with Caitlyn Collins, and I got to say. She
screamed at me, she interrupted me, She did not want
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the facts, she did not want to admit any of
the reality. She had a political narrative and she was
going to stick with it. We're going to play that
for you, and you're going to see the back and
forth that we had. We're also going to play what
was released earlier this evening, which is the text exchanges
between Charlie's murderer and his transgender boyfriend. And the text
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exchanges it is a confession, he admits he's the murderer.
He breaks down the details of what was in the
aftermath of the shooting. And we're also going to talk
about how ABC News gushed about it, treating the two
of them like Romeo and Juliet. They behaved like teenagers.
Pitter patter, Oh, how exciting the two of these sick
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individuals talking about how excited they were to have just
murdered your friend and mine, the Great Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I want to tell you real quick about the IFCJ
And it's hard to believe it's been nearly two years
ago since the terrorists that murdered more than one two
hundred innocent Israelis and took two hundred and fifty hostages
actually happened. Today, it seems as if the cries of
the dead and the dying have been drowned out by
the shouts of anti Semitism and hatred, and the most
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brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust has been
forgotten already by many, and that's by design for many
around the world. Yet the world looks away and we
still need to help those and shine a light in
the darkness. It's a movement of love and support that
I want you to get involved in for the people
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of Israel, and it is called the Flags of Fellowship
and it's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
On October fifth, It's just a few weeks away, literally
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October the seventh
of twenty twenty three and stand with their grieving families.
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And you can be a part of this movement as well.
Your church can be a part of this movement as well.
If you want to get more information about how you
can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship
online at IFCJ dot org and you can get what
you need, the resources to stand with Israel on this
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important day as we stand with them all over the country.
That's IFCJ dot org one more time, IFCJ dot org.
And you can also get your church involved, as so
many churches around the country are now doing this for
their entire congregations. IFCJ dot org. All right, so let's
go to just z point one here. You decided to
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go on CNN. Now, what's interesting about this interview that
you did send her is actually the fact that you
guys were not in the same room. Typically, there's a
good chance you guys would have been. Caitlin was in
the UK for the presidential trip. There there was a
little bit of a delay. What was not delayed is
her anger at you and what you were saying, and
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the yelling at you. Even across the pond. She's still
on point with that one.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, and listen, Ben. For this kind of interview, I
will almost always insist that it be in person. Yeah,
because if I know that someone is going to be
an antagonistic partisan hack, then I want to be in
person to be able to fight back. I agreed to
do this even though she was in the United Kingdom
and there was about a two second delay, so it
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made it hard. A downside of this interview is their
extended portions were basically yelling over each other because of
the delay. I actually thought she'd want to do a
decent interview, and so she wouldn't just scream at me.
If you've got a delay, you ask a question, you
get an answer. You ask another question, you get an answer.
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That's how actually you and I have done interviews. We've
interviewed We've interviewed people live from Israel, from Jerusalem right
after October seventh, halfway around the world. We've managed to
do the interview. And if you actually want to interview someone,
you don't scream interrupt them. Well, Caitlin has been complicit
in seeing AND's propaganda. They have been misleading and lying
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to the American people. And it's why I wanted to
do this. It's why I agreed to do this. She's
been asking me, her show has been asking me to
go on for some time. I've usually said no, no
thank you, no thank you, no thank you. I decided
to go on today because I think what they've been
doing after the Charlie Kirk assassination has been incredibly dishonest
and harmful. And I had hoped that we would have
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a conversation as mature adults. Sadly we did not, And
so we're gonna play the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
One line that just people so they understand the lie
that's been told and it's been propping propaganda one oh
one on CNN is that we don't know the motive
of the shooter. And you're insane if.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We have no idea what motive? Who could know? Who
could not.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Across all of their shows, by the way, like all
of their shows are like, look.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's idiosy, it is idiocy. So we're going to play
the entire interview. It is fairly lengthy, and there's some fireworks,
and there's some moments where we're yelling over each other.
But I think this is really important to push back
on the dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC and ABCNBCCBS and
and so give a listen my interview tonight with Camplon
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Collins on.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
CNN, and joining me now is Senator Ted Cruz. And
Senator I think you've probably been part of some theatrical
moments of your own and some of those hearings obviously
got quite contentious at points today. But what you were
arguing there and what you were talking there about with
the director Cash Wotel was actually something President Trump himself
talked about five years ago when he said the US
was going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. You
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and Senator Cassidy had actually introduced a resolution calling for
that one year before. Do you know why it didn't
happen then and do you expect it to happen now?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You know, I do think it's going to happen now,
and I'm urging the Department of Justice and the FBI
and the entire administration to do so. And more broadly,
what I'm urging them to do, and at the hearing
today what I urged Director Petel to do it is
follow the money. That much of this violence that we've
seen it is not organic, that there is real money
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that is funding it. So the Black Lives Matter at
Antifa riots all over the country, there was real money
behind that. The anti Israel, anti Semitic riots on college campuses,
that there was real money behind that. The open border
riots we saw in LA and across the country, there's
real money behind that. I'm not the only person who
noticed that at the anti Semitic protests on college campuses,
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many of the tents all matched. And so what I'm
urging the Department of Justice to do is look at
who's funding it. And indeed, I've introduced legislation to aid
in that. It's called the Stop Funders Act. And what
that legislation would do is very simple. It adds rioting
to the list of predicated offenses under RICO, and that
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would enable the Department of Justice to use RICO a
very powerful tool for going after organized crime, not just
to go after the people committing specific acts of violence,
but to go after those who are writing checks to
foment that violence. And I think that would have a
massive effect pulling back and limiting this violence.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, but can I ask you on just the Antifa
part of this, What existing federal law would give the
president or the State Department the authority to be able
to designate a domestic group as a terrorist organization?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Is there one? Well, what I've called for, they're clearly
carrying out acts of terrorism, they're carrying them out domestically,
they're organizing their engage in direct acts of violence. And indeed,
one of the things that I asked Director Patel it
is what evidence is there that there are other people
who had four knowledge of this assassin's assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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We know that he was engaged in Reddit conversations with others,
and we know that that the the shellcasings that he
used in the rifle had Antifa slogans on them and
had transgender slogans on them. And it appears from what's
been reporting that there were extensive discussions in various Reddit
and and discord organizations to the extent others had for
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knowledge and aided and assisted that may well be a
manifestation of antifa violence or transgender violence. We've seen a
disproportionate incident of transgender violence as well, and and so
organizing examining what what groups potentially are behind these acts
of violence. I think it is overwhelmingly clear things like
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the anti Semitic protest had money behind it. With respect
to Charlie Kirk's murder, that is not determined yet, but
I think it should be investigated.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, as Todd Blanche the Wyo Journal just said, right now,
they don't have any evidence of an organization. Obviously they're
still looking into this. But but on the bullet casings,
I don't remember there being a transgender one on there.
I remember him saying there was one that said if
you could read this year gay. It was referencing internet memes.
But on what you just said, they're about investigating.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
There is hold on, hold on Kaitlyn, kait Caitlin, there
is a transgender there's a reference to, uh do you
see my bulge, which is, I'm told as an online
meme for transgenderism. And director Patel testified that at the
murderer here was living with his romantic partner who was
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a transgender man transitioning to being a woman. And and
and so you have both the shell casing that directly
references transgenderism, and in fact, Charlie Kirk was murdered moments
after he was asked a question about transgender mass shootings,
and that's that's when the shooter filed and and so
do we have conclusive proof at this case, but I
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will this Some of the most disturbing polling numbers I
see are the number of Democrats who believe this left
wing act of this was somehow republican. I mean that
that really shows the media not not doing the job
they should be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Okay, Senator, but one moment, because you said a lot there,
and we don't have a motive yet, we don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're waiting.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Obviously we've heard what the governors had to say with the.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Course, we don't have a motive yet. We know, we
don't have a lot of yet. What's happening with really
that's position. He just happened to fire the gun and celebration.
You can't tell the motives, Senator, That's.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Not what I said. And I said, law enforcement hasn't
laid out a direct motive. They have a lot of
evidence here of these messages, and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
They said the left who hated Charlie Kirk, Senator, with
all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law
enforcement has not put a specific motive. You know that
there's a difference of what they're putting.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
In illegal they have.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That's what you're talking about, and you're not even we're
not even about the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Is false, Senator, Caitly, Caitly fact. Hold on, let me
answer your statement because what you said, Istator, with all
due respect, law enforce respect your You don't want to
go ahead that I did.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Not say, and I want to get back to we
just laid out the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You just said law enforcement has not not made out.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Of motive that is the Deputy Attorney general.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That is objectively false.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
They have not said motive what it.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Was and should not be engaged in this information. Caitlyn answered,
my question shows the vast majority of the we're taking
what I said this murderer Trump support. Have you seen
that polem.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Let me get back to my questions, though, Senator, because
the question here you're not going to answer that was
actually are you were saying about thetigations that you'd like
to see, so you're not gonna I'm the one asking
the questions here and the question.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Having a conversation. I understand that that that you want
to vestigate and then you don't believe that rights laid out. Okay,
give your speeches, go ahead. I don't know what your
question is because we have a delay because you're in England,
so I can't hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You said that you believe that left wing groups should
be investigated. You want to know where the financing is
coming from for protests. Do you believe that they should
also be looking into right ruing groups as well, or
do you believe it should only be limited to that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Look, I believe anyone engaged in acts of violence should
be prosecuted and go to jail. But I will say
there has been an enormous amount and CNN has been
guilty of this of both sides, and I was saying, gosh,
both sides are violent, and understand, yes there is some
violence on both sides, but it is the left that
overwhelmingly celebrates this. It is leftists that have been celebrating.
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You look at blue Sky and it is a cesspool
of leftists celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. You look
at recent polling that it shows over fifty percent of
Democrats saying violence against Elon Musk has justified, violence against
Donald Trump is justified. You look at Democrats who do
things like what Kamala Harris did of giving money and
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urging people to give money to bail out violent rioters
and Antifa riots. It is only one side that justifies
this violent violence. My view is if you commit acts
of violence, you should be prosecuted, and so yes, we
should follow the money. Anyone funding acts of violence we
should go after. But this is a left wing problem.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
How can you argue that it's I think the argument
that people have been talking about recently is what's going
on with the Charlie Kirk case. I think people have
raised that because there have been other acts of political
violence as well when it comes to targeting Democrats. I mean,
we've seen that with a lawmaker who was killed in
Minnesota this summer alongside her husband.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
We've seen it with the police break the assassin. There
was a ranged the assassin with Hold on a second.
If you if you're gonna say facts, get you need
to get your facts right. The assassin there was not
a right wing assassin acting on a political motive. The assassin.
There was someone who had been an appointee of Tim Waltz,
and he was a deranged lunatic. And yes, there are
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deranged lunatics who attack people both right and left, But
if you look at murders carried out for political agendas,
they are overwhelmingly on the left. Whether it is the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, the two assassination attempts of Donald Trump,
the assassination attempt on Brett Kavanaugh over and over and
over again, whether it was the congressional shooter who came
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to Washington to the baseball game and said, I want
to find the compressional republic. Of those two attenstes, it is.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
The Democratic lawmakers who were targeted just a couple of
months ago. So I think that is the point that
people have made.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But it wasn't republican political And by the way, that
lunatic should be prosecuted and go to jail. So what
I'm not doing is what leftist are doing. Leftists are
celebrating that murder. I think the murder in Minnesota was horrible.
It was horrible, and that and that that violent criminal
should be prosecuted and going to jail. You would have
a point if I said, gosh, let's set up a
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bail fund for that murderer, then you'd have a point.
But but it's only one side that is doing that.
Do you agree that on Blue Sky there are thousands
of leftists celebrating and reveling in the murder of Charlie.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Kirk, Senator. I don't think that anyone should separate regardless
of what that person. No one should representative of how
people feel. If you celebrate it, I think that's wrong,
and I think that's it's it's only left wingers are
on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I gotta tell you that that was just one of
moments where she's like and we're done, like like it's over,
we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We're just gonna move on past this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I'm glad you, by the way, didn't let up
on the facts there at the end, because you're absolutely
right about this.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Look I got to say, and that there was a time.
I mean, Caitlin started out as a reporter for National Review.
She didn't used to She's from Alabama, she didn't used
to be insane, and.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Now like a roll tied I think she's rolled ted
if I remember.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Correctly, she is and she got hired by CNN, and
I don't know if she drank the kool aid. I
don't know if she just sold out, but her unwillingness. Okay,
So number one, When I asked her, have you seen
the polling that the vast majority of Democrats believe that
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Charlie Kirk's assassin was a right wing maga Republican. She
would not answer that question. The answer is yes, she
has seen that. She knows that, but she wouldn't answer
it because the reason that the vast majority of Democrats
believe that is because CNN is lying to them, MSNBC
is lying to them, the corporate media is lying to them,
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and it goes right to the heart of their propaganda.
They are deceiving people. She wouldn't answer that. When I
asked her, are you aware that on blue Sky?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Blue Sky is this sort of left wing Twitter that
they set up to say, let's just have lefties communicate.
Blue Sky is this cesspool of leftists celebrating this murder?
I asked her, do you know that she knows that
that is not a surprise to her. But if she
admitted that she would have to admit that this is
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not the fault of both sides, of Republicans and Democrats.
It is leftists who are rationalizing this, who are justifying this,
who are celebrating this. And by the way, it was
fascinating at the end, she just cut it off. Done,
ted Cruz be quiet. A point that I was going
to make. There's also a real, real difference between how
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the left and right reacts when something like this happens.
When George Floyd was killed, yep, leftists rioted all over
this country. They fire bombed police cars. At least nineteen
people were killed in Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots
all over the country. In contrast, when Charlie Kirk was
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killed a great American, what did conservatives do. We held
prayer vigils.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We stood up and we.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Held candles, and we prayed, and we honored his life.
And by the way, left wing radicals came and tried
to disrupt those prayer vigils by screaming and yelling and
engaging in acts of violence. There is a difference, and
CNN is all in in propaganda and denying that difference.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
All right, I want to take a moment to talk
about personal safety. You guys know I'm pro Second Amendment.
You know that I've actually used my firearm to save
my life when i was a target of a gang initiation.
But for many people that are listing or family members,
you may not feel comfortable caring if firearm. You still
need to be able to protect yourselves and in times
of danger, you're gonna want to have something. And that's
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where the Burno Launcher comes in. I have given these
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fires both kinetic rounds and chemical irritants to separate you
from an attacker.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
And I'm here today with Josh Gerard from Burna.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Josh, many of us just saw that video footage of
the recent mob attack of a man and a woman
in downtown Cincinnati. Josh, many of us saw the video
footage of the recent mob attack of a man and
a woman in downtown Cincinnati and it was shocking. Can
you share a little more about what happened and could
a less lethal weapon like the Burno Launcher be used
in a situation like this to defend yourself?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Absolutely? Like you said, we all saw the videos and unfortunately,
after a jazz festival. A man was attacked by a
mob of individuals that just continued going and continued going,
and unfortunately he was unable to defend himself despite other
people trying to help. This is one of those instances
where clearly these people are looking for an easy target.
The trick here is to make yourself a hard target,
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have a way to defend yourself to facilitate that escape.
And that's really where burna comes in. You know, depending
on the legality, you may or may not be able
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This legal in all fifty states, and make sure you
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Speaker 1 (21:23):
And why wouldn't the victim in this case just want
to pull a gun on these suspects.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's an important question, you.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Know, it absolutely is, and there's a couple of reasons.
One is the legality. Depending on where you are, you
may not even be able to carry a gun, or
maybe coming from a private event where a gun may
not be illegal as well. And then two, in order
to pull a gun, you need to understand that there
has to be a reasonable expectation that there's going to
be death or serious buddle injury caused. Do you pull
that gun too early and you're likely the one to
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be going to jail. So in this case, a less
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can be used early to prevent further harm because it's
such a reduced amount of force.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Look, if you want to carry one, I do. I
love having this as an option.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You can get more information for you or your family
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the way, senator, let's let's also go to the other lie.
And you mentioned all of the things that conservatives do
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differently than liberals. There was a list, by the way
that went viral. I do want to bring it up
real quick. There's a great list put out and it
said when when Democrats are angry, you get BLM riots, ANTIFA,
church shootings, Trump assassination, chimp, Charlie Kirk assassination, pro life
pregnancy centers are put on fire, TESLA vandalism, attacks against
ice agents at tax against police, attacks against federal courthouses,
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and This is just merely a partial list. And what
happens when we are attacked we have prayer visuals and
we clean up profanity that is put on Britain. Is
by the way, you went viral for that, well done.
We didn't even mention that earlier. I for Pere, they
don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We did our show and then you saw online. I'm
assuming we haven't even talked about this online. I think
you must have seen the picture that someone had put
up on one of the overpasses not far from where
you live and I live, Charlie Kirk, and you just
said all right, I'm gonna go paint over it, and
you did it and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, it pissed me off. This was on Highway fifty
nine in Houston, right in the middle of Houston. Where
this happened was about a mile from my house. It
was very close from where I live. It was at
fifty nine and Shepherd for anyone from Houston, it was
right at the Shepherd exit. And I saw on Twitter
the image of someone had spray painted F Charlie Kirk
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and they did not abbreviate F, and it just it
pissed me off. I mean, Charlie was a friend of mine.
He was an extraordinary person, and that kind of hate
was wrong. And so I decided I just that after
I went down. I could tell where it was from
from the highway sign. And I went down with with
some paint and a roller, and I just covered it
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up and I and I painted over it and I
erased it, and and and and then I put out
the pictures and I said, look, some some uh despicable
bastard put this up. Uh and and and and I've
covered it up text out the Texts Department Transportation has
been notified. Uh, they will almost surely remove this expeditiously.
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But I've removed it now so that not another text
in fifty nine is a very busy freeway. So there
there are thousands or in time millions of people that
are driving up and down fifty nine. I didn't want
them to look at that message, and so I just
covered it up in white paint. And when text dot
removes it, great uh. And And you know, I will
say that went viral. I got a lot of folks
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who texted me and and and said thank you for
doing that. And I got to say. My response to
all of them was just that it needed to be done,
that this was grotesque and we needed to just cover
it up and say that this is not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I want to move to the text messages that have
come out, and it's very interesting to see all of
the evidence that is now we are seeing the transparency
of these text messages that were between the shooter and
his transgendered boyfriend. And I also want to say, there's
some people that are saying, oh, you're taking this hook
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line and sinker. I don't know if they plan the
text messages. I don't know if this is him trying
to protect the roommate and act like the roommate knew
nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But what was shocking about this is how the media
decided to play it and romanticize their relationship through the
text messages and the weirdest, creepiest way I've ever seen
the mainstream media do this.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, look, I'm sorry to do this, but I'm going
to read you these text messages because they're horrifying. But
it makes clear there is no doubt that this murderer
is guilty. And by the way, there is a reason
I won't say the murderer's name, because anyone who engages
in a mass murderer and horrific crime like this. Part
of the reason they do this is they want to
be famous. I don't repeat these bastards name. I will
(26:15):
call him the murderer or the assassin or the defendant,
but I will not say his name. But the murderer
and his boyfriend we're exchanging, exchanging texts, and and the
murderer left under a keyboard in their apartment a note
saying that he had the opportunity to kill Charlie Kirk and.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He took it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And and is his boyfriend, who is a man who
is transgender and transitioning to be a woman, responded what
with like a whole bunch of question marks? And you're joking, right,
And and here's the exchange. The murderer says, I'm still okay,
my love, but I'm stuck in orum for a little while.
(26:55):
Longer shouldn't be long until I can come home. But
I got to grab my right rifle still. To be honest,
I had hoped to keep this secret till I died
of old age. I'm sorry to involve you boyfriend, you
weren't the one who did it, right for question marks, murderer,
I am, I'm sorry, boyfriend. I thought they caught the
(27:20):
person murderer. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then
interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab
my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most
of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,
almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering, Boyfriend.
(27:41):
Why murderer? Why did I do it? Boyfriend? Yeah, murderer.
I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen,
I will have left no evidence. Going to a to
retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't
(28:03):
seen anything about them finding it. Boyfriend. How long have
you been planning this, murderer, a bit over a week.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I believe I can.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Get close to it, but there is a squad car
parked by it. I think they already swept the spot,
but I don't want to chance it. Murderer. I wish
I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as
I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old
man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
I don't know if it had a serial number, but
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it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits,
didn't have the ability or time to bring it with
I might have to abandon it and hope they don't
find prints. How the f will I explain losing it
to my old man. Only thing I left was the
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rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets.
The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I
see notices Bulg's UWU on Fox News, I might have
a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to leave it.
That really efing sucks. Those are the text exchanges now
(29:18):
number one. Reading those text exchanges, it is one hundred
percent clear. It's not ninety nine percent. It's not ninety
eight percent. It's one hundred percent clear. This defendant is
the murderer. He is the assassin. He is confessing to
his boyfriend, I did it. He is confessing details of
the crime that only the murderer would know. He will
(29:41):
be convicted. He was charged today he will be convicted,
but he is guilty today based on that evidence, it
is one hundred percent certainly he is guilty, and his
motive is clear. You know, Caitlin Collins and CNN and
MSNBC they say, we don't know the motive. Maybe he
just dislike tall people. Maybe he was just you know,
(30:04):
firing his gun and celebration and it accidentally hit the throne.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A certainly somebody that was there excited just to see
Charlie Kirk and it went off randomly like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
The level of him. By the way, an idiot commentator
at MSNBC said, maybe it was a supporter of Charlie
Kirk firing his gun and celebration. Now thankfully that commentator
got fired for that idiocy. But the motive is absolutely clear.
He hated Charlie Kirk. He's a left wing ANTIFA activist,
he's a transgender activist. He is sleeping with a transgender
(30:36):
man who is transitioning to be a woman, and so
the motive is that there's no ambiguity. But CNN hates
that motive. They cannot admit that's what happened. Oh my goodness,
that would undermine their entire political agenda. So they desperately
have to say the motive is unclear. By the way,
Caitlyn Collins said repeatedly, well, law enforcement hasn't laid out
(30:56):
the motive. Yes, they have. They repeatedly laid out the motive.
They said it's a left wing activist was radicalized. The
bullets had carved on the mantifa and transgender messages. I mean,
this is not subtle. He was not hiding his motive.
But I have to say, as repulsive as CNN's reaction was,
ABC's was worse. I want you to listen way worse,
(31:19):
way worse. Like you can't overstate it, Okay, I want
you to listen to ABC News's reaction to this text
exchange between the murderer and his transgender boyfriend. Here, give
a listen.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
You have seen an alleged murder with such specific text
messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hitting,
how it was placed, what was on it.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
But also it was very touching in a way that
I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate
tortrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the
suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning,
calling him my and I want to protect you, my love.
So was this duality of someone who, the attorney said,
(32:05):
not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
but was doing it in front of children, which is
one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on
the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partner,
so very interesting, as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I love how they say it's a riveting press conference center.
It's riveting and just you know, he referred to him
as my love, and this is just so sweet and sincere.
It's like, what in the world are you guys doing
over there at ABC News with your special report, live.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Coverage, touching and loving? Oh these text messages. I murdered
this person for you, Oh my love, Oh my love. Patter,
pitter patter. That is repulsive. It is repulsive that ABC
News is gushing over this psychopathic murderer and ABC News,
(32:55):
oh they're touching in sweet text messages. He is confessing
to a deliberate murder because he hates what somebody is saying.
He murdered a husband, he murdered, a father of two
little kids, one boy, one girl, and ABC News thinks
it's so sweet that he confessed to his transgender boyfriend,
(33:16):
which of course they call his roommate, even though he's
calling him my love, Like there's no ambiguity when you
call someone my love what exactly the relationship is? But
ABC News cannot admit to them it is sweet and beautiful,
this radical leftist murdering Charlie Kirk I got, I got
(33:37):
a message for you guys. It's not sweet and it's
not beautiful.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, by the way, side note on this, I don't
know if you knew this, but ten minutes after that,
like the internet exploded over it. They he went back
on and doubled down on it and basically did the
same thing again. Like, I'm not backing down from this.
I think it's genuine and sweet and sincere in a
love story.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You know what a romantic Romeo and Juliet story. You know,
psycho leftist murderer killing people because he's filled with hate.
I can't think of anything more beautiful than that. Certain
certainly ABC News is very persuasive in that regard.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, it he'll be the face of the network before
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It, God help us. Did he really double down? Did
he really go back on air and do it again?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, Do you want to hear it, because I've got
it if you want to hear So this is yes,
this is this is Matt Gouman.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I haven't heard this, so play it for us.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So this is ten minutes after he said on ABC
News Live. It's heartbreaking on so many levels. Obviously, Charlie
Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands.
On the other hand, there is this duality of every
portrait of a of a again his exact words of
a very like this is like love story.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, touching. So this is this is ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Later after the internet And I'm I have no doubt
that he knew that there was a problem, right, So
he knew hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Here he is ten minutes later.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
It is It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kira. Obviously,
Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd
of thousands of people who watched him being shot through
the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of
him and I think one of the things that the
attorney here made a very fine point about is that
a lot of these charges seven charges were aggravated because
(35:20):
children were present, children witnessed this, children were put in
harm's way, and that was.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Something that obviously is aggravating here.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
And that's one of the reasons that this suspect, in
addition to the alleged murder being political in nature, is
facing the death penalty. They're going for the death penalty.
And on the other hand, there is this duality of
a very a portrait of a very human person, a
very human experience from this entire family, as you mentioned it,
the mother who essentially discovered that it was her son
(35:49):
who had done this, the kid who had got a
thirty four out of thirty six on the acts, who
had a four point zero, who got a full ride
to college here that that kid was the one who
allegedly perpetrated He saw those pictures and said identified him essentially.
And then those text messages, And I don't think I've
ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text
messages that are as fulsome so robust, so apparently allegedly
(36:12):
self incriminating, and yet on the other hand, so touching
right with the suspect reaching out to his roommate who
is allegedly his boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified
as male at birth now identifies as female, and the
terminology he used. He was trying to protect him. He
kept calling him my love, My reason for doing this
(36:33):
is to protect you, you know, but also asking him
to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement.
So there's this this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very
tragically playing out.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
If that's not doubling down, I don't know what is
fullsome touching loving Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I am breaking.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Look, I don't know who this particular reporter is, but
but I will say it's it says something that this
speaks to him in such a touching, moving way. I
see depraved maniacs who just committed cold blood and murder,
and and his boyfriend, his boyfriend is like not saying,
dear God, what the hell.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Did you do?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, he's just like, oh, oh it was you, okay,
you know, And he didn't. The boyfriend never said there
is anything wrong with murdering Charlie Kirk. He was perfectly
fine with it. There ain't not nothing touching about these
two psychopaths reveling in their cold blood and murder, and
for ABC to think it is that that really tells
you how messed up ABC is.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
By the way, I'd be very interesting to see if
ABC tries to walk this back, if it comes out
with those textansges where I cover your ass moment to
try to save the boyfriend roommate, I will be very
interesting to see.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
How they manage that. Don't forget.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
We do the show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and we
do the show to talk about these types of things
and what the media is doing and exposing it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So hit that.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
But we're certainly very very very excited about that. Senator.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We've got a lot to chat about tonight, including you
going into the lines then where I live for seven years.
I at first I got a text on him and said, hey,
what bet did Ted Cruz lose to go on CNN
with Caitlin Collins.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
That's actually a very good question. It was not with me.
It would have been a great bet.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
All of a sudden I get text message you're on there,
I start watching and it was some fireworks.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well tonight I went on CNN with Caitlin Collins, and
I did so because CNN has been pushing so much
misinformation in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination. I wanted
to go on and push back and they've been big
on the whole both sides ism that it's really both sides.
It's Republicans and Democrats that are engaging in violence. It's
(01:10):
Republicans and Democrats that engage in hateful, violent rhetoric, and
so both sides are equally responsible, and that is a lie.
On our podcast just two days ago, we broke that
down at length. Well, tonight, I went on CNN to
battle with Caitlyn Collins, and I got to say. She
screamed at me, she interrupted me, She did not want
(01:31):
the facts, she did not want to admit any of
the reality. She had a political narrative and she was
going to stick with it. We're going to play that
for you, and you're going to see the back and
forth that we had. We're also going to play what
was released earlier this evening, which is the text exchanges
between Charlie's murderer and his transgender boyfriend. And the text
(01:54):
exchanges it is a confession, he admits he's the murderer.
He breaks down the details of what was in the
aftermath of the shooting. And we're also going to talk
about how ABC News gushed about it, treating the two
of them like Romeo and Juliet. They behaved like teenagers.
Pitter patter, Oh, how exciting the two of these sick
(02:16):
individuals talking about how excited they were to have just
murdered your friend and mine, the Great Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I want to tell you real quick about the IFCJ
And it's hard to believe it's been nearly two years
ago since the terrorists that murdered more than one two
hundred innocent Israelis and took two hundred and fifty hostages
actually happened. Today, it seems as if the cries of
the dead and the dying have been drowned out by
the shouts of anti Semitism and hatred, and the most
(02:47):
brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust has been
forgotten already by many, and that's by design for many
around the world. Yet the world looks away and we
still need to help those and shine a light in
the darkness. It's a movement of love and support that
I want you to get involved in for the people
(03:07):
of Israel, and it is called the Flags of Fellowship
and it's organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.
On October fifth, It's just a few weeks away, literally
millions across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in
honor and solidarity with the victims of October the seventh
of twenty twenty three and stand with their grieving families.
(03:30):
And you can be a part of this movement as well.
Your church can be a part of this movement as well.
If you want to get more information about how you
can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the Fellowship
online at IFCJ dot org and you can get what
you need, the resources to stand with Israel on this
(03:50):
important day as we stand with them all over the country.
That's IFCJ dot org one more time, IFCJ dot org.
And you can also get your church involved, as so
many churches around the country are now doing this for
their entire congregations. IFCJ dot org. All right, so let's
go to just z point one here. You decided to
(04:12):
go on CNN. Now, what's interesting about this interview that
you did send her is actually the fact that you
guys were not in the same room. Typically, there's a
good chance you guys would have been. Caitlin was in
the UK for the presidential trip. There there was a
little bit of a delay. What was not delayed is
her anger at you and what you were saying, and
(04:34):
the yelling at you. Even across the pond. She's still
on point with that one.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, and listen, Ben. For this kind of interview, I
will almost always insist that it be in person. Yeah,
because if I know that someone is going to be
an antagonistic partisan hack, then I want to be in
person to be able to fight back. I agreed to
do this even though she was in the United Kingdom
and there was about a two second delay, so it
(04:59):
made it hard. A downside of this interview is their
extended portions were basically yelling over each other because of
the delay. I actually thought she'd want to do a
decent interview, and so she wouldn't just scream at me.
If you've got a delay, you ask a question, you
get an answer. You ask another question, you get an answer.
(05:19):
That's how actually you and I have done interviews. We've
interviewed We've interviewed people live from Israel, from Jerusalem right
after October seventh, halfway around the world. We've managed to
do the interview. And if you actually want to interview someone,
you don't scream interrupt them. Well, Caitlin has been complicit
in seeing AND's propaganda. They have been misleading and lying
(05:43):
to the American people. And it's why I wanted to
do this. It's why I agreed to do this. She's
been asking me, her show has been asking me to
go on for some time. I've usually said no, no
thank you, no thank you, no thank you. I decided
to go on today because I think what they've been
doing after the Charlie Kirk assassination has been incredibly dishonest
and harmful. And I had hoped that we would have
(06:07):
a conversation as mature adults. Sadly we did not, And
so we're gonna play the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
One line that just people so they understand the lie
that's been told and it's been propping propaganda one oh
one on CNN is that we don't know the motive
of the shooter. And you're insane if.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We have no idea what motive? Who could know? Who
could not.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Across all of their shows, by the way, like all
of their shows are like, look.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It's idiosy, it is idiocy. So we're going to play
the entire interview. It is fairly lengthy, and there's some fireworks,
and there's some moments where we're yelling over each other.
But I think this is really important to push back
on the dishonesty from CNN and MSNBC and ABCNBCCBS and
and so give a listen my interview tonight with Camplon
(06:54):
Collins on.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
CNN, and joining me now is Senator Ted Cruz. And
Senator I think you've probably been part of some theatrical
moments of your own and some of those hearings obviously
got quite contentious at points today. But what you were
arguing there and what you were talking there about with
the director Cash Wotel was actually something President Trump himself
talked about five years ago when he said the US
was going to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. You
(07:18):
and Senator Cassidy had actually introduced a resolution calling for
that one year before. Do you know why it didn't
happen then and do you expect it to happen now?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You know, I do think it's going to happen now,
and I'm urging the Department of Justice and the FBI
and the entire administration to do so. And more broadly,
what I'm urging them to do, and at the hearing
today what I urged Director Petel to do it is
follow the money. That much of this violence that we've
seen it is not organic, that there is real money
(07:48):
that is funding it. So the Black Lives Matter at
Antifa riots all over the country, there was real money
behind that. The anti Israel, anti Semitic riots on college campuses,
that there was real money behind that. The open border
riots we saw in LA and across the country, there's
real money behind that. I'm not the only person who
noticed that at the anti Semitic protests on college campuses,
(08:10):
many of the tents all matched. And so what I'm
urging the Department of Justice to do is look at
who's funding it. And indeed, I've introduced legislation to aid
in that. It's called the Stop Funders Act. And what
that legislation would do is very simple. It adds rioting
to the list of predicated offenses under RICO, and that
(08:30):
would enable the Department of Justice to use RICO a
very powerful tool for going after organized crime, not just
to go after the people committing specific acts of violence,
but to go after those who are writing checks to
foment that violence. And I think that would have a
massive effect pulling back and limiting this violence.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah, but can I ask you on just the Antifa
part of this, What existing federal law would give the
president or the State Department the authority to be able
to designate a domestic group as a terrorist organization?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Is there one? Well, what I've called for, they're clearly
carrying out acts of terrorism, they're carrying them out domestically,
they're organizing their engage in direct acts of violence. And indeed,
one of the things that I asked Director Patel it
is what evidence is there that there are other people
who had four knowledge of this assassin's assassination of Charlie Kirk.
(09:24):
We know that he was engaged in Reddit conversations with others,
and we know that that the the shellcasings that he
used in the rifle had Antifa slogans on them and
had transgender slogans on them. And it appears from what's
been reporting that there were extensive discussions in various Reddit
and and discord organizations to the extent others had for
(09:49):
knowledge and aided and assisted that may well be a
manifestation of antifa violence or transgender violence. We've seen a
disproportionate incident of transgender violence as well, and and so
organizing examining what what groups potentially are behind these acts
of violence. I think it is overwhelmingly clear things like
(10:10):
the anti Semitic protest had money behind it. With respect
to Charlie Kirk's murder, that is not determined yet, but
I think it should be investigated.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, as Todd Blanche the Wyo Journal just said, right now,
they don't have any evidence of an organization. Obviously they're
still looking into this. But but on the bullet casings,
I don't remember there being a transgender one on there.
I remember him saying there was one that said if
you could read this year gay. It was referencing internet memes.
But on what you just said, they're about investigating.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
There is hold on, hold on Kaitlyn, kait Caitlin, there
is a transgender there's a reference to, uh do you
see my bulge, which is, I'm told as an online
meme for transgenderism. And director Patel testified that at the
murderer here was living with his romantic partner who was
(10:59):
a transgender man transitioning to being a woman. And and
and so you have both the shell casing that directly
references transgenderism, and in fact, Charlie Kirk was murdered moments
after he was asked a question about transgender mass shootings,
and that's that's when the shooter filed and and so
do we have conclusive proof at this case, but I
(11:20):
will this Some of the most disturbing polling numbers I
see are the number of Democrats who believe this left
wing act of this was somehow republican. I mean that
that really shows the media not not doing the job
they should be doing.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Okay, Senator, but one moment, because you said a lot there,
and we don't have a motive yet, we don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We're waiting.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Obviously we've heard what the governors had to say with the.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Course, we don't have a motive yet. We know, we
don't have a lot of yet. What's happening with really
that's position. He just happened to fire the gun and celebration.
You can't tell the motives, Senator, That's.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Not what I said. And I said, law enforcement hasn't
laid out a direct motive. They have a lot of
evidence here of these messages, and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
They said the left who hated Charlie Kirk, Senator, with
all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law
enforcement has not put a specific motive. You know that
there's a difference of what they're putting.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
In illegal they have.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That's what you're talking about, and you're not even we're
not even about the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Is false, Senator, Caitly, Caitly fact. Hold on, let me
answer your statement because what you said, Istator, with all
due respect, law enforce respect your You don't want to
go ahead that I did.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Not say, and I want to get back to we
just laid out the fact that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You just said law enforcement has not not made out.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Of motive that is the Deputy Attorney general.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That is objectively false.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
They have not said motive what it.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Was and should not be engaged in this information. Caitlyn answered,
my question shows the vast majority of the we're taking
what I said this murderer Trump support. Have you seen
that polem.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Let me get back to my questions, though, Senator, because
the question here you're not going to answer that was
actually are you were saying about thetigations that you'd like
to see, so you're not gonna I'm the one asking
the questions here and the question.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Having a conversation. I understand that that that you want
to vestigate and then you don't believe that rights laid out. Okay,
give your speeches, go ahead. I don't know what your
question is because we have a delay because you're in England,
so I can't hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You said that you believe that left wing groups should
be investigated. You want to know where the financing is
coming from for protests. Do you believe that they should
also be looking into right ruing groups as well, or
do you believe it should only be limited to that.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Look, I believe anyone engaged in acts of violence should
be prosecuted and go to jail. But I will say
there has been an enormous amount and CNN has been
guilty of this of both sides, and I was saying, gosh,
both sides are violent, and understand, yes there is some
violence on both sides, but it is the left that
overwhelmingly celebrates this. It is leftists that have been celebrating.
(14:05):
You look at blue Sky and it is a cesspool
of leftists celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk. You look
at recent polling that it shows over fifty percent of
Democrats saying violence against Elon Musk has justified, violence against
Donald Trump is justified. You look at Democrats who do
things like what Kamala Harris did of giving money and
(14:28):
urging people to give money to bail out violent rioters
and Antifa riots. It is only one side that justifies
this violent violence. My view is if you commit acts
of violence, you should be prosecuted, and so yes, we
should follow the money. Anyone funding acts of violence we
should go after. But this is a left wing problem.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
How can you argue that it's I think the argument
that people have been talking about recently is what's going
on with the Charlie Kirk case. I think people have
raised that because there have been other acts of political
violence as well when it comes to targeting Democrats. I mean,
we've seen that with a lawmaker who was killed in
Minnesota this summer alongside her husband.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
We've seen it with the police break the assassin. There
was a ranged the assassin with Hold on a second.
If you if you're gonna say facts, get you need
to get your facts right. The assassin there was not
a right wing assassin acting on a political motive. The assassin.
There was someone who had been an appointee of Tim Waltz,
and he was a deranged lunatic. And yes, there are
(15:28):
deranged lunatics who attack people both right and left, But
if you look at murders carried out for political agendas,
they are overwhelmingly on the left. Whether it is the
assassination of Charlie Kirk, the two assassination attempts of Donald Trump,
the assassination attempt on Brett Kavanaugh over and over and
over again, whether it was the congressional shooter who came
(15:50):
to Washington to the baseball game and said, I want
to find the compressional republic. Of those two attenstes, it is.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
The Democratic lawmakers who were targeted just a couple of
months ago. So I think that is the point that
people have made.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But it wasn't republican political And by the way, that
lunatic should be prosecuted and go to jail. So what
I'm not doing is what leftist are doing. Leftists are
celebrating that murder. I think the murder in Minnesota was horrible.
It was horrible, and that and that that violent criminal
should be prosecuted and going to jail. You would have
a point if I said, gosh, let's set up a
(16:29):
bail fund for that murderer, then you'd have a point.
But but it's only one side that is doing that.
Do you agree that on Blue Sky there are thousands
of leftists celebrating and reveling in the murder of Charlie.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Kirk, Senator. I don't think that anyone should separate regardless
of what that person. No one should representative of how
people feel. If you celebrate it, I think that's wrong,
and I think that's it's it's only left wingers are
on it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I gotta tell you that that was just one of
moments where she's like and we're done, like like it's over,
we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
We're just gonna move on past this.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And I'm glad you, by the way, didn't let up
on the facts there at the end, because you're absolutely
right about this.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Look I got to say, and that there was a time.
I mean, Caitlin started out as a reporter for National Review.
She didn't used to She's from Alabama, she didn't used
to be insane, and.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Now like a roll tied I think she's rolled ted
if I remember.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Correctly, she is and she got hired by CNN, and
I don't know if she drank the kool aid. I
don't know if she just sold out, but her unwillingness. Okay,
So number one, When I asked her, have you seen
the polling that the vast majority of Democrats believe that
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Charlie Kirk's assassin was a right wing maga Republican. She
would not answer that question. The answer is yes, she
has seen that. She knows that, but she wouldn't answer
it because the reason that the vast majority of Democrats
believe that is because CNN is lying to them, MSNBC
is lying to them, the corporate media is lying to them,
(18:11):
and it goes right to the heart of their propaganda.
They are deceiving people. She wouldn't answer that. When I
asked her, are you aware that on blue Sky?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Blue Sky is this sort of left wing Twitter that
they set up to say, let's just have lefties communicate.
Blue Sky is this cesspool of leftists celebrating this murder?
I asked her, do you know that she knows that
that is not a surprise to her. But if she
admitted that she would have to admit that this is
(18:40):
not the fault of both sides, of Republicans and Democrats.
It is leftists who are rationalizing this, who are justifying this,
who are celebrating this. And by the way, it was
fascinating at the end, she just cut it off. Done,
ted Cruz be quiet. A point that I was going
to make. There's also a real, real difference between how
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the left and right reacts when something like this happens.
When George Floyd was killed, yep, leftists rioted all over
this country. They fire bombed police cars. At least nineteen
people were killed in Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots
all over the country. In contrast, when Charlie Kirk was
(19:22):
killed a great American, what did conservatives do. We held
prayer vigils.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
We stood up and we.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Held candles, and we prayed, and we honored his life.
And by the way, left wing radicals came and tried
to disrupt those prayer vigils by screaming and yelling and
engaging in acts of violence. There is a difference, and
CNN is all in in propaganda and denying that difference.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
All right, I want to take a moment to talk
about personal safety. You guys know I'm pro Second Amendment.
You know that I've actually used my firearm to save
my life when i was a target of a gang initiation.
But for many people that are listing or family members,
you may not feel comfortable caring if firearm. You still
need to be able to protect yourselves and in times
of danger, you're gonna want to have something. And that's
(20:09):
where the Burno Launcher comes in. I have given these
to countless family members. It is a handheld pistol that
fires both kinetic rounds and chemical irritants to separate you
from an attacker.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
And I'm here today with Josh Gerard from Burna.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Josh, many of us just saw that video footage of
the recent mob attack of a man and a woman
in downtown Cincinnati. Josh, many of us saw the video
footage of the recent mob attack of a man and
a woman in downtown Cincinnati and it was shocking. Can
you share a little more about what happened and could
a less lethal weapon like the Burno Launcher be used
in a situation like this to defend yourself?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Absolutely? Like you said, we all saw the videos and unfortunately,
after a jazz festival. A man was attacked by a
mob of individuals that just continued going and continued going,
and unfortunately he was unable to defend himself despite other
people trying to help. This is one of those instances
where clearly these people are looking for an easy target.
The trick here is to make yourself a hard target,
(21:08):
have a way to defend yourself to facilitate that escape.
And that's really where burna comes in. You know, depending
on the legality, you may or may not be able
to carry a gun in this case, so you need
to have a tool to make sure you can defend yourself.
This legal in all fifty states, and make sure you
can make it home safe.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And why wouldn't the victim in this case just want
to pull a gun on these suspects.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's an important question, you.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Know, it absolutely is, and there's a couple of reasons.
One is the legality. Depending on where you are, you
may not even be able to carry a gun, or
maybe coming from a private event where a gun may
not be illegal as well. And then two, in order
to pull a gun, you need to understand that there
has to be a reasonable expectation that there's going to
be death or serious buddle injury caused. Do you pull
that gun too early and you're likely the one to
(21:50):
be going to jail. So in this case, a less
legal tool is perfect. It can be pulled early. It
can be used early to prevent further harm because it's
such a reduced amount of force.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Look, if you want to carry one, I do. I
love having this as an option.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
You can get more information for you or your family
members on how they can protect themselves with the burner launcher.
Go to burnaby RNA dot com. That's burner by RNA
dot com. Again, burna by RNA dot com. And by
the way, senator, let's let's also go to the other lie.
And you mentioned all of the things that conservatives do
(22:28):
differently than liberals. There was a list, by the way
that went viral. I do want to bring it up
real quick. There's a great list put out and it
said when when Democrats are angry, you get BLM riots, ANTIFA,
church shootings, Trump assassination, chimp, Charlie Kirk assassination, pro life
pregnancy centers are put on fire, TESLA vandalism, attacks against
ice agents at tax against police, attacks against federal courthouses,
(22:50):
and This is just merely a partial list. And what
happens when we are attacked we have prayer visuals and
we clean up profanity that is put on Britain. Is
by the way, you went viral for that, well done.
We didn't even mention that earlier. I for Pere, they
don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We did our show and then you saw online. I'm
assuming we haven't even talked about this online. I think
you must have seen the picture that someone had put
up on one of the overpasses not far from where
you live and I live, Charlie Kirk, and you just
said all right, I'm gonna go paint over it, and
you did it and then put it on the internet.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, it pissed me off. This was on Highway fifty
nine in Houston, right in the middle of Houston. Where
this happened was about a mile from my house. It
was very close from where I live. It was at
fifty nine and Shepherd for anyone from Houston, it was
right at the Shepherd exit. And I saw on Twitter
the image of someone had spray painted F Charlie Kirk
(23:47):
and they did not abbreviate F, and it just it
pissed me off. I mean, Charlie was a friend of mine.
He was an extraordinary person, and that kind of hate
was wrong. And so I decided I just that after
I went down. I could tell where it was from
from the highway sign. And I went down with with
some paint and a roller, and I just covered it
(24:09):
up and I and I painted over it and I
erased it, and and and and then I put out
the pictures and I said, look, some some uh despicable
bastard put this up. Uh and and and and I've
covered it up text out the Texts Department Transportation has
been notified. Uh, they will almost surely remove this expeditiously.
(24:29):
But I've removed it now so that not another text
in fifty nine is a very busy freeway. So there
there are thousands or in time millions of people that
are driving up and down fifty nine. I didn't want
them to look at that message, and so I just
covered it up in white paint. And when text dot
removes it, great uh. And And you know, I will
say that went viral. I got a lot of folks
(24:50):
who texted me and and and said thank you for
doing that. And I got to say. My response to
all of them was just that it needed to be done,
that this was grotesque and we needed to just cover
it up and say that this is not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I want to move to the text messages that have
come out, and it's very interesting to see all of
the evidence that is now we are seeing the transparency
of these text messages that were between the shooter and
his transgendered boyfriend. And I also want to say, there's
some people that are saying, oh, you're taking this hook
(25:28):
line and sinker. I don't know if they plan the
text messages. I don't know if this is him trying
to protect the roommate and act like the roommate knew
nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm sure they'll get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But what was shocking about this is how the media
decided to play it and romanticize their relationship through the
text messages and the weirdest, creepiest way I've ever seen
the mainstream media do this.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, look, I'm sorry to do this, but I'm going
to read you these text messages because they're horrifying. But
it makes clear there is no doubt that this murderer
is guilty. And by the way, there is a reason
I won't say the murderer's name, because anyone who engages
in a mass murderer and horrific crime like this. Part
of the reason they do this is they want to
be famous. I don't repeat these bastards name. I will
(26:15):
call him the murderer or the assassin or the defendant,
but I will not say his name. But the murderer
and his boyfriend we're exchanging, exchanging texts, and and the
murderer left under a keyboard in their apartment a note
saying that he had the opportunity to kill Charlie Kirk and.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
He took it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And and is his boyfriend, who is a man who
is transgender and transitioning to be a woman, responded what
with like a whole bunch of question marks? And you're joking, right,
And and here's the exchange. The murderer says, I'm still okay,
my love, but I'm stuck in orum for a little while.
(26:55):
Longer shouldn't be long until I can come home. But
I got to grab my right rifle still. To be honest,
I had hoped to keep this secret till I died
of old age. I'm sorry to involve you boyfriend, you
weren't the one who did it, right for question marks, murderer,
I am, I'm sorry, boyfriend. I thought they caught the
(27:20):
person murderer. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then
interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to grab
my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most
of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,
almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering, Boyfriend.
(27:41):
Why murderer? Why did I do it? Boyfriend? Yeah, murderer.
I've had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen,
I will have left no evidence. Going to a to
retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't
(28:03):
seen anything about them finding it. Boyfriend. How long have
you been planning this, murderer, a bit over a week.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I believe I can.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Get close to it, but there is a squad car
parked by it. I think they already swept the spot,
but I don't want to chance it. Murderer. I wish
I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as
I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old
man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
I don't know if it had a serial number, but
(28:35):
it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits,
didn't have the ability or time to bring it with
I might have to abandon it and hope they don't
find prints. How the f will I explain losing it
to my old man. Only thing I left was the
(28:55):
rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets.
The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I
see notices Bulg's UWU on Fox News, I might have
a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to leave it.
That really efing sucks. Those are the text exchanges now
(29:18):
number one. Reading those text exchanges, it is one hundred
percent clear. It's not ninety nine percent. It's not ninety
eight percent. It's one hundred percent clear. This defendant is
the murderer. He is the assassin. He is confessing to
his boyfriend, I did it. He is confessing details of
the crime that only the murderer would know. He will
(29:41):
be convicted. He was charged today he will be convicted,
but he is guilty today based on that evidence, it
is one hundred percent certainly he is guilty, and his
motive is clear. You know, Caitlin Collins and CNN and
MSNBC they say, we don't know the motive. Maybe he
just dislike tall people. Maybe he was just you know,
(30:04):
firing his gun and celebration and it accidentally hit the throne.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
A certainly somebody that was there excited just to see
Charlie Kirk and it went off randomly like.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
The level of him. By the way, an idiot commentator
at MSNBC said, maybe it was a supporter of Charlie
Kirk firing his gun and celebration. Now thankfully that commentator
got fired for that idiocy. But the motive is absolutely clear.
He hated Charlie Kirk. He's a left wing ANTIFA activist,
he's a transgender activist. He is sleeping with a transgender
(30:36):
man who is transitioning to be a woman, and so
the motive is that there's no ambiguity. But CNN hates
that motive. They cannot admit that's what happened. Oh my goodness,
that would undermine their entire political agenda. So they desperately
have to say the motive is unclear. By the way,
Caitlyn Collins said repeatedly, well, law enforcement hasn't laid out
(30:56):
the motive. Yes, they have. They repeatedly laid out the motive.
They said it's a left wing activist was radicalized. The
bullets had carved on the mantifa and transgender messages. I mean,
this is not subtle. He was not hiding his motive.
But I have to say, as repulsive as CNN's reaction was,
ABC's was worse. I want you to listen way worse,
(31:19):
way worse. Like you can't overstate it, Okay, I want
you to listen to ABC News's reaction to this text
exchange between the murderer and his transgender boyfriend. Here, give
a listen.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
You have seen an alleged murder with such specific text
messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hitting,
how it was placed, what was on it.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
But also it was very touching in a way that
I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate
tortrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the
suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning,
calling him my and I want to protect you, my love.
So was this duality of someone who, the attorney said,
(32:05):
not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
but was doing it in front of children, which is
one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on
the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partner,
so very interesting, as Pierre said, riveting press conference, David.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I love how they say it's a riveting press conference center.
It's riveting and just you know, he referred to him
as my love, and this is just so sweet and sincere.
It's like, what in the world are you guys doing
over there at ABC News with your special report, live.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Coverage, touching and loving? Oh these text messages. I murdered
this person for you, Oh my love, Oh my love. Patter,
pitter patter. That is repulsive. It is repulsive that ABC
News is gushing over this psychopathic murderer and ABC News,
(32:55):
oh they're touching in sweet text messages. He is confessing
to a deliberate murder because he hates what somebody is saying.
He murdered a husband, he murdered, a father of two
little kids, one boy, one girl, and ABC News thinks
it's so sweet that he confessed to his transgender boyfriend,
(33:16):
which of course they call his roommate, even though he's
calling him my love, Like there's no ambiguity when you
call someone my love what exactly the relationship is? But
ABC News cannot admit to them it is sweet and beautiful,
this radical leftist murdering Charlie Kirk I got, I got
(33:37):
a message for you guys. It's not sweet and it's
not beautiful.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, by the way, side note on this, I don't
know if you knew this, but ten minutes after that,
like the internet exploded over it. They he went back
on and doubled down on it and basically did the
same thing again. Like, I'm not backing down from this.
I think it's genuine and sweet and sincere in a
love story.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You know what a romantic Romeo and Juliet story. You know,
psycho leftist murderer killing people because he's filled with hate.
I can't think of anything more beautiful than that. Certain
certainly ABC News is very persuasive in that regard.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, it he'll be the face of the network before
you know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
It, God help us. Did he really double down? Did
he really go back on air and do it again?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, Do you want to hear it, because I've got
it if you want to hear So this is yes,
this is this is Matt Gouman.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I haven't heard this, so play it for us.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So this is ten minutes after he said on ABC
News Live. It's heartbreaking on so many levels. Obviously, Charlie
Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands.
On the other hand, there is this duality of every
portrait of a of a again his exact words of
a very like this is like love story.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, touching. So this is this is ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Later after the internet And I'm I have no doubt
that he knew that there was a problem, right, So
he knew hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Here he is ten minutes later.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
It is It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kira. Obviously,
Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd
of thousands of people who watched him being shot through
the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of
him and I think one of the things that the
attorney here made a very fine point about is that
a lot of these charges seven charges were aggravated because
(35:20):
children were present, children witnessed this, children were put in
harm's way, and that was.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Something that obviously is aggravating here.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
And that's one of the reasons that this suspect, in
addition to the alleged murder being political in nature, is
facing the death penalty. They're going for the death penalty.
And on the other hand, there is this duality of
a very a portrait of a very human person, a
very human experience from this entire family, as you mentioned it,
the mother who essentially discovered that it was her son
(35:49):
who had done this, the kid who had got a
thirty four out of thirty six on the acts, who
had a four point zero, who got a full ride
to college here that that kid was the one who
allegedly perpetrated He saw those pictures and said identified him essentially.
And then those text messages, And I don't think I've
ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text
messages that are as fulsome so robust, so apparently allegedly
(36:12):
self incriminating, and yet on the other hand, so touching
right with the suspect reaching out to his roommate who
is allegedly his boyfriend, who we understand, you know, identified
as male at birth now identifies as female, and the
terminology he used. He was trying to protect him. He
kept calling him my love, My reason for doing this
(36:33):
is to protect you, you know, but also asking him
to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement.
So there's this this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very
tragically playing out.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
If that's not doubling down, I don't know what is
fullsome touching loving Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I am breaking.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Look, I don't know who this particular reporter is, but
but I will say it's it says something that this
speaks to him in such a touching, moving way. I
see depraved maniacs who just committed cold blood and murder,
and and his boyfriend, his boyfriend is like not saying,
dear God, what the hell.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Did you do?
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, he's just like, oh, oh it was you, okay,
you know, And he didn't. The boyfriend never said there
is anything wrong with murdering Charlie Kirk. He was perfectly
fine with it. There ain't not nothing touching about these
two psychopaths reveling in their cold blood and murder, and
for ABC to think it is that that really tells
you how messed up ABC is.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
By the way, I'd be very interesting to see if
ABC tries to walk this back, if it comes out
with those textansges where I cover your ass moment to
try to save the boyfriend roommate, I will be very
interesting to see.
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How they manage that. Don't forget.
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do the show to talk about these types of things
and what the media is doing and exposing it.
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