November 13, 2025 • 20 mins
Buck Sexton breaks down President Trump’s latest comments on H-1B visas after his interview with Laura Ingraham sparked debate. Buck explains what Trump really meant, why the visa program is often abused, and how it affects American workers and immigration policy. Plus, he lays out why the U.S. may need to hit pause on both legal and illegal immigration to preserve America’s unity and future strength.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is President Trump still America First when it comes to
H one B Visa's The short answer is yes, my friends.
But the longer answer is what we're going to talk
about here after all of the hubbub, the hullabaloo, the controversy,
after the interview he did with Laura Ingram, I'm gonna
(00:41):
make sense of it all for you. First of all,
President Trump is a realist and is, as he has
pointed out many times, including in this interview, the guy
who better understands the America First movement more than anyone else,
considering that he is the founder and leader of it.
But I understand why there was a little bit of
(01:02):
concern after this particular answer on Laura Ingram show about
H one B eases. I want to explain what is
real about this or what is concerning about H one
B visas and what Trump is saying about H one
B visa is I'm going to do a little bit
of yes Trump translation on this one for you.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You have to talk about it, and does that mean
the h one B visa thing will not be a
big priority for your administration because if you want to
raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country
with tens of thousands or hundreds of age.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And we also do have to bring in talent when
we're gony of talent and they know, you don't know,
you don't we don't have talented. No, you don't have
you don't have certain talents, and you have to people
have to learn. You can't take people off an unemployed
like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put
you into a factory who we're going to make missiles
or I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
To put how do we ever do it before?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well lemon and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia,
they rated because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people
from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives.
You know, making batteries are very complicated. It's not an
easy thing and very dangerous, a lot of explosions, a
lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred
(02:15):
people early stages to make batteries and to teach people
how to do it well. They wanted them to get
out of the country you're going to need that lure.
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making the missiles.
(02:38):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So here's the thing. There are cases where President Trump
is and this is what he's referring to, where he
is correct on this one. There are areas where we
actually don't have the capability here at home to immediately
(03:01):
employ only Americans to do certain jobs. An example of
this is TSMC, Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company they have set up. Now.
I just was over in Taiwan, so this is top
of mind for me. They have an absolute critical role
to play in the global technology ecosystem because they make
(03:24):
fifty percent of all semiconductors, microchips, same thing, but ninety
percent of the top end, the high end, the stuff
you need for your smartphones, the stuff you need for
top military applications and f thirty five plane targeting systems
or whatever, the most high end supercomputers, AI stuff, the
(03:47):
high end chips. They are the ones that make them,
they are the ones that are able to do so.
And it is an incredibly complicated and intricate process, not
just from the machinery perspective, but also from the people
involved in operating those machines. This is why TSMC has
(04:08):
set up a large they call them a fact a
fabrication facility in Arizona and is going to be building
that out more. But it is not possible anywhere in
America right now for us to replicate what TSMC is
doing in Taiwan, so nor would we be able to
(04:28):
operate what they're doing in Arizona on our own. So
this is something where you do actually need to have
very specialized workers in this area who are doing the
stuff that we're talking about here. And by the way,
this is also where Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besson
(04:49):
stepped in to say, yeah, look, this is what Trump
actually meant here.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Twenty thirty years we have offshort precision manufacturing jobs. And
the President's point here is we again, we can't snap
our fingers and say you're going to learn how to
build ships overnight. We want to bring semiconductor industry back
to the US going to be big facilities in Arizona.
So I think the president's vision here is to bring
(05:16):
in overseas workers where these jobs went to have skills,
who have the skills, three five, seven years to train
the US workers, then they can go home the US
workers fully takeover.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So you do you understand the concern that people have, Hey,
an American can have that job?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Why and give it to it?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But American can have that job so specific skills because
we haven't built ships in the US for years, we
haven't built semiconductors. So that this idea of overseas partners
coming in teaching American workers then returning home, that's a
home run.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, exactly right. There are going to be some places
where we have to do a training up, ifuel of
that workforce, to get them the capability to be able
to do it here at home. Now, that's one part
of this. But we got into this about a year ago.
There was a very contentious exchange that was happening online
(06:19):
involving Elon musk On, vivek Ramaswami and a number of
people on x when it came to this issue of
foreign workers in America and h one B's h one
B visas are very much abused, and it is clear
that they have been used by a lot of companies
(06:42):
to do something that's really gross. You see, they underpay,
they pay below market wages for some of these jobs,
and you say, well, why are they able to do that, Well,
they're able to do it because these individuals are tethered
by their H one B status to the company that
sponsors them, So they can't just get up and go
(07:03):
to some other company that easily. They have to stay
where they are, and so that means they can be
underpaid and also just not not treated as well as
they would be in other circumstances if they were Americans
or permanent residents here. So that's one part of it.
But the part of it that's really also very gross
is that these companies know that there's another major incentive
(07:25):
for people to be here on H one b's and
that is they can then use that as a pathway
to try to get a green card, and they can
then use that as a pathway to bring their whole
family here chain migration. So there's a big incentive for
H one B individuals that isn't financial, but it's status
(07:48):
related to being here. And let me add the rest
of the American people are the ones who then are
going to pay for that family when they get here,
pay for their benefits, you know, deal with English as
a second language, challenges. Are all these different things they
socialize on the American people, the costs of the immigration
(08:09):
advantage they may have with this, And keep in mind
these aren't necessarily highly skilled individuals at all. There are
people here on H one b's for very menial jobs,
which is another It's a complete abuse, a total abuse
of the system that has been going on, and this
is why there was such a pushback initially against what
(08:32):
Trump said. Trump is right, there are areas where we
do need the H one B visas that are currently here,
or highly specialized individuals we're here, but it's a very
small component of the overall situation. It's a very small
slice of the overall pie, and the whole pie is
(08:53):
supposed to be that. So that's why it's even worse.
It should be only special H one B should only
be people doing jobs that we could not fill with
Americans to do. And I would venture as just a
guessles than ten percent and maybe even less than five
percent of the H one bvsas that are here, our individuals.
(09:17):
It would really be hard to find someone else in
America to do that same job at that same level.
Might even less than one percent, but it's definitely less
than ten percent. It is a very small percentage of
the overall program. So this is why the program's a scam.
It's a scam, and it should not be allowed to
continue the way that it has been going on. Our
(09:40):
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(10:43):
the visa situation and what's going on here. Look, Trump
knows what he's talking about, and this is the guy
who's done more to secure our border and to deal
with the problems of immigration than anybody else that we
have seen in our lifetime. That all said, there are
still a lot of conversations that need to be had
in America, and not just about H one B Visas
(11:06):
I might add, it's actually more than just the visa issue.
Here is Secretary of Homeland Security Gnome on the H
one B.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Now, we're going to keep using our visa programs, We're
just going to make sure that they have integrity, that
we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come
into this country. That they want to be here for
the right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists and
organizations that hate America. And that's what I think is
so remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped up
our process and added integrity to the visa programs, to
(11:39):
green cards, to all of that. But also more people
are becoming naturalized under this administration than ever before. More
people are becoming citizens because we're not just streamlining and
building some processes back into our immigration policies. We're also
making sure that these individuals that are coming into our
country and get that privilege, that they actually are here
(12:00):
for the right reasons. The Biden administration led thousands of
terrorists into this country. They opened the southern border, they
abused our asylum programs, abused our protective programs and visa programs,
and we fixed all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's okay, let's get into this now. Gonna make sure
they were doing the vetting, make sure they're here for
the right reasons. Okay, not terrorists. Yeah, that's all good.
Sped up our process, add an integrity the visa program,
to green card. She says, more people are becoming citizens
because we're not just streamlined and building some processes back
in immigration. We're making sure these individuals are coming into
(12:35):
our country for the right reasons. Okay, we should probably
take a real pause on migration into America or certainly
a dramatic decline of legal I'm talking legal now migration
in America for a while. This is one of these
things where people get uncomfortable. Oh well, what are you saying.
(12:57):
I'm saying exactly what I'm saying, which is that to
have a cohesive country, a nation where people are bound
to each other by ties of kinship, by ideals, by
the base is the foundational elements of a polity and
of a society. We can't just be importing generally the
(13:18):
Third World into America millions and millions a year and
see what happens. We're going to start to dissolve as
a society if this continues on, and we need to
really have that conversation. Now that the illegal immigration issue
has gotten the attention that it needs, we need to
be having a conversation about the legal immigration that has
(13:42):
been happening here. We actually very much need to take
a step back and allow this American experiment to have
a little breathing room. This is what's always happened in
the past. Historically, what I'm saying has been the American norm.
There is an opening in immigration for a while, taking
a whole lot of immigrants great become part of the
(14:03):
American experiment, obeying our laws. And then we take a
pause for one reason, or know that there's a pause,
and then you allow assimilation to occur. And you also
allow the dominant ethos in America to be infused into
(14:27):
the new arrivals. And that is a very important and
very powerful process, and it needs to be happening here.
We have changed the character and the people of America
in the last seventy years or sixty five, so sixty years, sorry,
last sixty years, and certainly even in the last thirty years,
(14:49):
last twenty years, more rapidly than at any time in history,
bigger even than the days of Ellis Island and all that.
And we have a massive welfare state that we're trying
to fund with all this too, which is a big problem.
We need to have a time out here now for
people that have extremely valuable skills. I mentioned the TSMC workers,
(15:09):
people that have extremely valuable skills that we need, and
that that's very apparent. Yeah, of course we still should
have some visus for temporary workers, some students that are
allowed to come here six hundred thousand Chinese though, No,
we do not need that. And we need to start
thinking very seriously about the strategic impact on our country
of educating our biggest adversary and allowing them not only
(15:33):
to spy on this country, because that happens a lot
on campuses, that's happening. Okay, there are Chinese spies posing
as students, that's real. And also to take back American
know how an ingenuity to their country to compete with us.
That's another big problem, another big challenge that we need
to address. So yeah, I think we should be willing
(15:53):
to have the conversation about taking a step back and
having a dramatic reduction for I would say for the
next decade at least in legal immigration into this country.
And also that would allow us to much more clearly
deal with the illegal immigration problem, because remember, we had
a lot of people come in illegally. Trump has secured
(16:14):
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(17:47):
with American talent. This idea that American citizens don't have
the talent to do great things, that you have to
import a foreign class of servants and professors to do
these things, I just reject that.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I actually think we invest.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
In our own people, we can do a lot of good.
You've heard that criticism in particular as the President has
talked about cracking down on foreign student visas and their abuses.
But I think that's actually an opportunity for American citizens
to really flourish it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And here's the talking about this issue, and I think
it's look, Americans have done incredible things in our in
our history. Americans are the talent that we need to
do the great things of the future. And that's also
(18:34):
why I think the H one B thing, and this
is where vivig Ramaswami with his we don't have a
culture of excellence. We like the the quarterback of the
football team and not the math leat or whatever. That first,
that's not even that's not true. It was bizarre, and
I'd also want to say it was honestly, I was
surprised by Vivego this one. I thought it was one
of the most tone deaf and strange and uh self
(18:58):
defeating posts from a prominent figure in Republican politics I'd
seen in a long time. It was very strange. This
is a year ago, but I still remember it. I
was actually on vacation when I saw it, so I
didn't really engaged, you know, online with it because I
was trying to stay off Twitter. But I see this
and I read about it. We don't need we don't
need non Americans to make America great. We actually can
(19:19):
make America great with just Americans. And we do have
a culture of excellence here. It's why we're the greatest
country in the world, and no other country is anywhere
near what we are in terms of our greatness. So
I appreciate that we do not have to import other people.
And Jade Vance's point here is very powerful. We do
not have to import other people so that we're able
(19:41):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is President Trump still America First when it comes to
H one B Visa's The short answer is yes, my friends.
But the longer answer is what we're going to talk
about here after all of the hubbub, the hullabaloo, the controversy,
after the interview he did with Laura Ingram, I'm gonna
(00:41):
make sense of it all for you. First of all,
President Trump is a realist and is, as he has
pointed out many times, including in this interview, the guy
who better understands the America First movement more than anyone else,
considering that he is the founder and leader of it.
But I understand why there was a little bit of
(01:02):
concern after this particular answer on Laura Ingram show about
H one B eases. I want to explain what is
real about this or what is concerning about H one
B visas and what Trump is saying about H one
B visa is I'm going to do a little bit
of yes Trump translation on this one for you.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You have to talk about it, and does that mean
the h one B visa thing will not be a
big priority for your administration because if you want to
raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country
with tens of thousands or hundreds of age.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And we also do have to bring in talent when
we're gony of talent and they know, you don't know,
you don't we don't have talented. No, you don't have
you don't have certain talents, and you have to people
have to learn. You can't take people off an unemployed
like an unemployment line and say I'm going to put
you into a factory who we're going to make missiles
or I'm going.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
To put how do we ever do it before?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well lemon and I I'll give you an example. In Georgia,
they rated because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had people
from from South Korea that need batteries all their lives.
You know, making batteries are very complicated. It's not an
easy thing and very dangerous, a lot of explosions, a
lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred
(02:15):
people early stages to make batteries and to teach people
how to do it well. They wanted them to get
out of the country you're going to need that lure.
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making the missiles.
(02:38):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
So here's the thing. There are cases where President Trump
is and this is what he's referring to, where he
is correct on this one. There are areas where we
actually don't have the capability here at home to immediately
(03:01):
employ only Americans to do certain jobs. An example of
this is TSMC, Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company they have set up. Now.
I just was over in Taiwan, so this is top
of mind for me. They have an absolute critical role
to play in the global technology ecosystem because they make
(03:24):
fifty percent of all semiconductors, microchips, same thing, but ninety
percent of the top end, the high end, the stuff
you need for your smartphones, the stuff you need for
top military applications and f thirty five plane targeting systems
or whatever, the most high end supercomputers, AI stuff, the
(03:47):
high end chips. They are the ones that make them,
they are the ones that are able to do so.
And it is an incredibly complicated and intricate process, not
just from the machinery perspective, but also from the people
involved in operating those machines. This is why TSMC has
(04:08):
set up a large they call them a fact a
fabrication facility in Arizona and is going to be building
that out more. But it is not possible anywhere in
America right now for us to replicate what TSMC is
doing in Taiwan, so nor would we be able to
(04:28):
operate what they're doing in Arizona on our own. So
this is something where you do actually need to have
very specialized workers in this area who are doing the
stuff that we're talking about here. And by the way,
this is also where Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besson
(04:49):
stepped in to say, yeah, look, this is what Trump
actually meant here.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Twenty thirty years we have offshort precision manufacturing jobs. And
the President's point here is we again, we can't snap
our fingers and say you're going to learn how to
build ships overnight. We want to bring semiconductor industry back
to the US going to be big facilities in Arizona.
So I think the president's vision here is to bring
(05:16):
in overseas workers where these jobs went to have skills,
who have the skills, three five, seven years to train
the US workers, then they can go home the US
workers fully takeover.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
So you do you understand the concern that people have, Hey,
an American can have that job?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Why and give it to it?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But American can have that job so specific skills because
we haven't built ships in the US for years, we
haven't built semiconductors. So that this idea of overseas partners
coming in teaching American workers then returning home, that's a
home run.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Okay, exactly right. There are going to be some places
where we have to do a training up, ifuel of
that workforce, to get them the capability to be able
to do it here at home. Now, that's one part
of this. But we got into this about a year ago.
There was a very contentious exchange that was happening online
(06:19):
involving Elon musk On, vivek Ramaswami and a number of
people on x when it came to this issue of
foreign workers in America and h one B's h one
B visas are very much abused, and it is clear
that they have been used by a lot of companies
(06:42):
to do something that's really gross. You see, they underpay,
they pay below market wages for some of these jobs,
and you say, well, why are they able to do that, Well,
they're able to do it because these individuals are tethered
by their H one B status to the company that
sponsors them, So they can't just get up and go
(07:03):
to some other company that easily. They have to stay
where they are, and so that means they can be
underpaid and also just not not treated as well as
they would be in other circumstances if they were Americans
or permanent residents here. So that's one part of it.
But the part of it that's really also very gross
is that these companies know that there's another major incentive
(07:25):
for people to be here on H one b's and
that is they can then use that as a pathway
to try to get a green card, and they can
then use that as a pathway to bring their whole
family here chain migration. So there's a big incentive for
H one B individuals that isn't financial, but it's status
(07:48):
related to being here. And let me add the rest
of the American people are the ones who then are
going to pay for that family when they get here,
pay for their benefits, you know, deal with English as
a second language, challenges. Are all these different things they
socialize on the American people, the costs of the immigration
(08:09):
advantage they may have with this, And keep in mind
these aren't necessarily highly skilled individuals at all. There are
people here on H one b's for very menial jobs,
which is another It's a complete abuse, a total abuse
of the system that has been going on, and this
is why there was such a pushback initially against what
(08:32):
Trump said. Trump is right, there are areas where we
do need the H one B visas that are currently here,
or highly specialized individuals we're here, but it's a very
small component of the overall situation. It's a very small
slice of the overall pie, and the whole pie is
(08:53):
supposed to be that. So that's why it's even worse.
It should be only special H one B should only
be people doing jobs that we could not fill with
Americans to do. And I would venture as just a
guessles than ten percent and maybe even less than five
percent of the H one bvsas that are here, our individuals.
(09:17):
It would really be hard to find someone else in
America to do that same job at that same level.
Might even less than one percent, but it's definitely less
than ten percent. It is a very small percentage of
the overall program. So this is why the program's a scam.
It's a scam, and it should not be allowed to
continue the way that it has been going on. Our
(09:40):
sponsor here is Hillsdale College. America didn't just happen, Okay,
the colonists didn't just wake up one day in seventeen
seventy six and declear independence from the British one hundred
and fifty years that made the American Revolution possible. And
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back to this big discussion about H one B and
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the visa situation and what's going on here. Look, Trump
knows what he's talking about, and this is the guy
who's done more to secure our border and to deal
with the problems of immigration than anybody else that we
have seen in our lifetime. That all said, there are
still a lot of conversations that need to be had
in America, and not just about H one B Visas
(11:06):
I might add, it's actually more than just the visa issue.
Here is Secretary of Homeland Security Gnome on the H
one B.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Now, we're going to keep using our visa programs, We're
just going to make sure that they have integrity, that
we're actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come
into this country. That they want to be here for
the right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists and
organizations that hate America. And that's what I think is
so remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped up
our process and added integrity to the visa programs, to
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green cards, to all of that. But also more people
are becoming naturalized under this administration than ever before. More
people are becoming citizens because we're not just streamlining and
building some processes back into our immigration policies. We're also
making sure that these individuals that are coming into our
country and get that privilege, that they actually are here
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for the right reasons. The Biden administration led thousands of
terrorists into this country. They opened the southern border, they
abused our asylum programs, abused our protective programs and visa programs,
and we fixed all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
It's okay, let's get into this now. Gonna make sure
they were doing the vetting, make sure they're here for
the right reasons. Okay, not terrorists. Yeah, that's all good.
Sped up our process, add an integrity the visa program,
to green card. She says, more people are becoming citizens
because we're not just streamlined and building some processes back
in immigration. We're making sure these individuals are coming into
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our country for the right reasons. Okay, we should probably
take a real pause on migration into America or certainly
a dramatic decline of legal I'm talking legal now migration
in America for a while. This is one of these
things where people get uncomfortable. Oh well, what are you saying.
(12:57):
I'm saying exactly what I'm saying, which is that to
have a cohesive country, a nation where people are bound
to each other by ties of kinship, by ideals, by
the base is the foundational elements of a polity and
of a society. We can't just be importing generally the
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Third World into America millions and millions a year and
see what happens. We're going to start to dissolve as
a society if this continues on, and we need to
really have that conversation. Now that the illegal immigration issue
has gotten the attention that it needs, we need to
be having a conversation about the legal immigration that has
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been happening here. We actually very much need to take
a step back and allow this American experiment to have
a little breathing room. This is what's always happened in
the past. Historically, what I'm saying has been the American norm.
There is an opening in immigration for a while, taking
a whole lot of immigrants great become part of the
(14:03):
American experiment, obeying our laws. And then we take a
pause for one reason, or know that there's a pause,
and then you allow assimilation to occur. And you also
allow the dominant ethos in America to be infused into
(14:27):
the new arrivals. And that is a very important and
very powerful process, and it needs to be happening here.
We have changed the character and the people of America
in the last seventy years or sixty five, so sixty years, sorry,
last sixty years, and certainly even in the last thirty years,
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last twenty years, more rapidly than at any time in history,
bigger even than the days of Ellis Island and all that.
And we have a massive welfare state that we're trying
to fund with all this too, which is a big problem.
We need to have a time out here now for
people that have extremely valuable skills. I mentioned the TSMC workers,
(15:09):
people that have extremely valuable skills that we need, and
that that's very apparent. Yeah, of course we still should
have some visus for temporary workers, some students that are
allowed to come here six hundred thousand Chinese though, No,
we do not need that. And we need to start
thinking very seriously about the strategic impact on our country
of educating our biggest adversary and allowing them not only
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to spy on this country, because that happens a lot
on campuses, that's happening. Okay, there are Chinese spies posing
as students, that's real. And also to take back American
know how an ingenuity to their country to compete with us.
That's another big problem, another big challenge that we need
to address. So yeah, I think we should be willing
(15:53):
to have the conversation about taking a step back and
having a dramatic reduction for I would say for the
next decade at least in legal immigration into this country.
And also that would allow us to much more clearly
deal with the illegal immigration problem, because remember, we had
a lot of people come in illegally. Trump has secured
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knows what the number is, twenty million, thirty million, who knows?
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Speaker 1 (17:23):
First of all, I've heard a lot of the criticisms,
the fear that they were going to have a brain brain.
If you go back to the fifties and sixties, the
American Space program, the program that was the first to
put a human being on the surface of the Moon
was built by American citizens, some German and Jewish scientists
who had come over during World War Two, but mostly
by American citizens who had built an incredible space program
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with American talent. This idea that American citizens don't have
the talent to do great things, that you have to
import a foreign class of servants and professors to do
these things, I just reject that.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I actually think we invest.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
In our own people, we can do a lot of good.
You've heard that criticism in particular as the President has
talked about cracking down on foreign student visas and their abuses.
But I think that's actually an opportunity for American citizens
to really flourish it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And here's the talking about this issue, and I think
it's look, Americans have done incredible things in our in
our history. Americans are the talent that we need to
do the great things of the future. And that's also
(18:34):
why I think the H one B thing, and this
is where vivig Ramaswami with his we don't have a
culture of excellence. We like the the quarterback of the
football team and not the math leat or whatever. That first,
that's not even that's not true. It was bizarre, and
I'd also want to say it was honestly, I was
surprised by Vivego this one. I thought it was one
of the most tone deaf and strange and uh self
(18:58):
defeating posts from a prominent figure in Republican politics I'd
seen in a long time. It was very strange. This
is a year ago, but I still remember it. I
was actually on vacation when I saw it, so I
didn't really engaged, you know, online with it because I
was trying to stay off Twitter. But I see this
and I read about it. We don't need we don't
need non Americans to make America great. We actually can
(19:19):
make America great with just Americans. And we do have
a culture of excellence here. It's why we're the greatest
country in the world, and no other country is anywhere
near what we are in terms of our greatness. So
I appreciate that we do not have to import other people.
And Jade Vance's point here is very powerful. We do
not have to import other people so that we're able
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to achieve great things. There is no basis for that
in our history. In fact, if you are to look
at what we've been able to do, what we've been
able to accomplish, it is overwhelmingly the case that it
has been Americans who have done the incredible things. It
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