June 3, 2025 • 18 mins
What does Ukraine's bold drone strike on Russian strategic bombers mean for the future of the war and America’s role in it? Buck Sexton is joined by Josiah Lippincott, former Marine and Hillsdale College PhD candidate, for a hard-hitting conversation on the deeper implications of this escalation. Josiah argues that U.S. involvement in Ukraine has been a disaster, driven by a reckless foreign policy elite disconnected from reality. Plus, they discuss how Trump should approach the war, the insanity of America's foreign entanglements, and the disturbing trend of overseas conflicts playing out on U.S. soil, including a recent terror attack in Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why don't we make of this massive operation by the
Ukrainians to strike at strategic bombers deep thousands of miles
deep inside of Russia using drones. Got a great guest
to dive into this with. Josiah Lippencott is with us.
He is a PhD candidate at Hillsdale College. Very well done, sir,
and a former marine as well. Josiah, just talk talk
(00:44):
a bit about this operation. What do you think it
shows and what do you think it does? If anything?
Given that there's these peace talks that are happening now,
how do you see all this?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, this war, I believe, is just absolutely crazy and
it's nihilistic, it's destructive. American involvement in Ukraine has been
a disaster for the American people, and I think what
it shows is that the foreign policy expert class that
got us into this conflict have demonstrated a completely irrational
understanding of global geopolitics. What Ukraine is doing is dangerous.
(01:17):
I think it's stupid for themselves and it is what
The real problem here is that the United States is
deeply involved, and I would not be surprised to learn
that the United States or some element within the American
government help plan an attack on what is essentially Russian
nuclear capability. And it doesn't matter what you think about
the morality of the Russian regime. We need to be
thinking in a serious way about the wider ramifications of
(01:40):
this conflict, and that means we need to come back
to reality.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We need to come out.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Of the dream world of moralism that the American left
has adopted as its framework.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So what do you think the Trump administration should do,
if anything, other than what they are doing, or how
do you see the efforts to bring about the ceaspar
so far? Because you know Trump, I mean, I remember
I talked to him about this, gosh a few years ago,
even when Russia, when Russia invaded, and he was just saying, look,
it wouldn't have happen under my watch. I think he's
(02:13):
on a very strong ground there because it didn't happen
on his watch, and it very easily could have. He
also said, I'm gonna bring this to an end very
very quickly, very quickly. Is subject to interpretation, But certainly
so far it feels like Putin isn't feeling the kind
of heat that might be necessary to get him to
get to a ceasefire. Or is this what you expect, David,
How do you see that part of the negotiations up
(02:35):
until now.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, I would say I'm at the point right now
that Trump should relieve anyone who's telling him that he
can bring the war to an end through negotiating pressure
on Putin. I think that simply is not in the
cards right now. The real problem here is Ukraine. The
problem is is they have all this foreign curtain weapons.
(02:57):
They are wedded to I believe, an insane nationalistic not
even nationalistic, because what they're really doing is siding with
the West against their near abroad superpower neighbor and for
the Russian whether right or wrong, they believe Ukraine is
an integral part of their sphere of influence and they
are not going to tolerate Western influence there. And if
(03:18):
you look at the history of the color revolutions that
the United States government sponsored in Ukraine on Russian borders,
if what we had done to Ukraine was done to us,
we would be livid. We would have problems, for instance,
and we have had problems, you know, for instance, with
the placement of nuclear weapons from a foreign superpower on
(03:39):
this continent. That was the you know, the Cuba crisis
in the nineteen sixties. So what I'm seeing now is
that Pudin wants Ukraine solved. And what that means right
now is killing as many Ukrainians as possible, dragging out
the war.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
American policy makers say this war is a good investment
because we're able to bleed Russia, and I think the
Russians are saying that in reverse, this war is a
great investment because it's a way to bleed NATO and
bleed Ukraine, and you're essentially solving two problems at once.
And it's true they're taking heavy casualties, but they are
willing to do so because Russia wants to be sovereign
(04:15):
and they see this as integral to their sovereignty.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And at a.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Deeper level, the reason that we're involved in Ukraine is
and Z the big new Brazinski, the former National security
advisor for Jimmy Carter, in his book on the subject,
he's saying, the reason we need to care about Ukraine
is because Stalin and Hitler cared about Ukraine, and I
would argue that for the United States today, we should
not root our foreign policy in what Adolf Hitler and
(04:39):
Joseph Stalin thought was important to them. That's not the
way we should think about geopolitics. We need to think
about this war from the standpoint of what is good
for the American people and getting into a conflict that
threatens to bleed into a wider conventional conflict involving European states,
potentially nuclear exchange, though that would be a major step.
(05:01):
It's just it's all risk and there's no real reward here.
We are embarrassing ourselves on the inter on the international
scene because we can't bring the war to a close.
We can't put enough pressure on Russia. They're immense natural resources.
Their willingness to suffer and their dedication to solving what
they see as a problem on their border is really
(05:22):
redounding back on us in a way that it's extremely
destructive for us right now. I would say, if President
Trump wants peace, the side that needs to feel pressure
is Ukraine, and that means putting pressure on the forces
and the American government that want to keep this war going.
That means putting pressure on the Senate, it means putting
pressure on the foreign policy establishment in DC, and putting
(05:43):
pressure on the Europeans. We need to frame an international
order in a way that the great powers can live
together in relative peace. And that doesn't mean we have
to approve of what Putin does inside of his own borders.
It means we need to think in a serious way
about what geopolitics means for the American people and for
the security of our rights.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
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Colorado here in just a second. But first up, our
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Speaker 3 (06:15):
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Birch Gold today. All right, Josiah, So we had this Terottech.
Did you see the CNN clowns who this guy's yelling
free Palestine at a vigil for you know, the hostages
(07:23):
that Hamas has taken. He's yelling free Palestine. I think
his name is like Mohammad something or other. And the
people went on CNN the so called national security experts,
including the former deputy Director of the FBI, mckayb who's
a world class comeback, and they said, we shouldn't jump
to conclusions about this. You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Indeed, we cannot. I heard.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I also understand from Bill Melgwin that this guy is
an illegal immigrant, that he was a visa overstay from
twenty twenty three right in by the Biden people.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, excuse me, yeah, And you know, you've got this guy.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Who's an illegal immigrant, who is invested in this foreign conflict.
And so because of our immigration policies and because of
our interventions broad we now have these conflicts playing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Out in our own streets.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I don't know if you saw there was a
trans Pride flag in the background of this guy throwing
you know, malotov cocktails and you know, burning these people,
this gaza, you know, this Gaza vigil, and it just
this is clown world. This is insane.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We can't have this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I've said before and I'm gonna say it again. We
should absolutely any person flying a foreign flag and protesting
on behalf of that country in the United States should
be deported to that country. I am so tired of
having these foreign conflicts happening. In my communities. It's bad
for us.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It strikes me as particularly absurd that you have so
many people who come into this country pretending that they
want asylum, and then when they're here waiting for their
fake asylum in this case, guy's a terrorist. But even
beyond that, you have them engaging in political agitation on
our soil. So you're imagine the mentality of my home
(09:11):
country is such a crap hole that I need to
be with you guys because it's unsafe for me to
go home. As we know, this isn't even really true.
There's all these cases of like Somali refugees, for example,
a lot of them are in the Minnesota or in
Minnesota and they've gotten you know, refugee status or asylum,
and then they go home on vacation here and there
(09:32):
to go back to some mall you to like visit
friends and family. You're like, if you need asylum from
a place, you're not going there on vacation. But it's
a scam, right, The whole thing is a scam. And
I think that people are seeing more and more of that,
and that's important because finally the truth is coming out.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, we need to have a sovereign country. That means
we need to have the right to stay neutral in
conflicts abroad. And that's so hard for liberals to hear
because what they want to do is care about everywhere,
all the.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Time in the same way.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And my argument is we need to have the ability
to just say we're taking a step back, because if
we don't, then we're seeing we see now we're invested
in conflicts happening half a world away, and then these
conflicts end up back here. This is this is not
a good way to have a successful country.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, I think that the explosion of lunacy that we're
seeing on these college campuses too. It's funny you're you're
a Hillsdale PhD student and you have all these all
these Democrats who will say, well, how would you feel
about Hillsdale if they didn't get their hundreds of millions
of dollars in the federal government. It's like, you, guys,
don't you know. People just don't get it, Like the
(10:42):
scam has been run so long that they have no
sense of the Democrats have already done everything they can
to leverage the public purse for their side and to
take over these institutions and any competing institution. Of course,
they make sure they don't get any federal dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right well, and I think at this point I don't
want to get federal money. What I want to do
is take away federal money from the left. If you
took away taxpayer funding for the radical left today, almost
all the stuff would immediately implode. Americans do not want
this crazy and that's what the last election really showed us.
Americans want a new pathway forward. They want to have
(11:20):
a real country. They want to have law and order.
They want to get out of these stupid wars. They
want inflation to go down. They want sound money, they
want a free market where they can't they're not being
oppressed by the state everywhere they go. And to have that,
we need to have border security, and we need to
have a sane foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And this is an easy layup, easy layup.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It has been interesting to me to see that the
usual tactics you remember, I'm sure under the first Trump term,
Ocasio Cortes, congresswoman aoc down at the border holding the fence,
did like a photo shoot, you know, like she was,
you know, on the cover of Vanity Fair or something,
you know, photo shoot is crying, and it's also inhumane
(12:01):
and also horrible. The teary eyed oh my gosh, how
could they do this stuff isn't working as well, especially
when the Democrats are rallying around somebody like Abrego Garcia
who got sent to Al Salvador, who is a reputed
member of MS thirteen. It turns out they couldn't turn
on the water works enough with all the tears to
(12:22):
make people normal Americans care about some non American who
got sent back to his country.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yes, and I think it was Twitter user captive Dreamer
who had he found all the Instagram photos of Garcia's
MS thirteen tattoos on his knuckle that his girlfriend had
tried to cover up. And you're just like, this is
who the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Are gonna weep for. This is their hero. I mean,
these the Democrats and the left.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The great news for those of us who are saying
is that our opponents are are nuts.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They have no grasp on reality.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They are literally going to bat for these gang bangers,
and who.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
By the way, cares about ordinary Americans.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Who is really invested in trying to since you know,
you know, keep fentol from flowing into the country.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I think. I saw an article today.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Some media outlet was like, well, it's true, Finnyl shipments
are decreasing across the border, and it's like, right, because
Trump is president.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That's the reason that these things are happening.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
We finally have American leadership that cares about Americans, and
right now the left is wetting itself to crazy and
in a way that's terrible for the country, but it
is good for those of us who want to try
and restore sanity here.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What do you think about what we know, at least
so far, of what Secretary of Defense hag Seth and
his team are trying to do over the Pentagon? Your marine,
former marine? Is this the kind of stuff that you
would have expected? Do you want to see more? I
just wanted your assessment of some of the policy changes underway,
(13:55):
you know, saying like trans troops aren't going to be
deployed that kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Stuff, right. I like it. I like hag Seth.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think it's all steps in the right direction. They're
getting back to a culture that's oriented toward winning wars,
which is what it needs to be right now. And
so I hear from people I know in the military
just there's been a more freedom of speech, more freedom
of thought. That's happening now that you don't have so
much crazy in charge. I think, however, there's just a
(14:24):
lot more to do, and I don't blame that on
Hegseth and his team. I just think the left has
been burrowing away for so long that it will take
a lot to get back to really clear and coaching
understanding of what we need to be doing in terms
of foreign policy and war fighting capacity. And that's a
lot of work. And we need to get support for
(14:46):
Trump now, and then we need to win in twenty eight.
I want to see jd Vance in there for another
eight years. We need just time to get these institutions
as reformed as possible. And Trump has shown us the
way forward.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So am I happy about it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
As a marine, it's awesome. The Biden years were really dark.
They were really really bad for my men who I
know stayed in the Marine Corps. Some of them were
kicked out because of vaccine mandates and it was horrible
what was done to them and would.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
They need justice?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And it's just good to know that you have someone
like Pete Hegseth who is in there. He understands the
perspective of the guy on the front lines. He's not
simply a DC bureaucrat, and it's such a bresh of
fresh air. It's just awesome to have someone like that
in there. I want him to have success. I want
him to get these reform throughs, reform through and I
(15:35):
want to see them go even further.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
There's just a lot more to be done.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
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That SUPPORTIFCJ dot org, Josia. When can I read your
PhD thesis?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, it am hoping I have a draft right now,
have the committee looking at it, and I hope one
day to have it published and to get it out
there and you know, fit for consumption. It's it's academic
and scholarly, but my aim is to have citizens and
policymakers alike be able to read it and gain something
(16:47):
from it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the topic, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So it stems from my time when I was deployed
to Okinawa back in twenty nineteen and I began to wonder.
I said, why are we still here in Japan seventy
five years after the Second World War? And that question
led me to consider why did we fight the Empire
of Japan to begin with? And it was helpful to
contrast the Founder's foreign policy, which aimed at the protection
(17:13):
of American rights, which with the much more crusading foreign
policy of the later liberals like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
And it was helpful to see those two things. In contrast,
the Founders, I believe were much more hard headed. They
had an understanding of what war was for war is
designed to protect the rights of Americans, and that means
(17:36):
we do not want to provoke war because Americans die
in conflicts and we don't want that to happen. We
don't want to spend their tax dollars on war unless
we absolutely have to. And the Founders had a very
clear framework for thinking about foreign policy engagement, and I
think policy makers and citizens now we gain from seeing
their wisdom and understanding it more fully. And that's the
(17:57):
aim of my dissertation is to take these ideas and
show their relevance to problems we face in our own time.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Josiah, appreciate you being with me.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Buck, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why don't we make of this massive operation by the
Ukrainians to strike at strategic bombers deep thousands of miles
deep inside of Russia using drones. Got a great guest
to dive into this with. Josiah Lippencott is with us.
He is a PhD candidate at Hillsdale College. Very well done, sir,
and a former marine as well. Josiah, just talk talk
(00:44):
a bit about this operation. What do you think it
shows and what do you think it does? If anything?
Given that there's these peace talks that are happening now,
how do you see all this?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, this war, I believe, is just absolutely crazy and
it's nihilistic, it's destructive. American involvement in Ukraine has been
a disaster for the American people, and I think what
it shows is that the foreign policy expert class that
got us into this conflict have demonstrated a completely irrational
understanding of global geopolitics. What Ukraine is doing is dangerous.
(01:17):
I think it's stupid for themselves and it is what
The real problem here is that the United States is
deeply involved, and I would not be surprised to learn
that the United States or some element within the American
government help plan an attack on what is essentially Russian
nuclear capability. And it doesn't matter what you think about
the morality of the Russian regime. We need to be
thinking in a serious way about the wider ramifications of
(01:40):
this conflict, and that means we need to come back
to reality.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We need to come out.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Of the dream world of moralism that the American left
has adopted as its framework.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So what do you think the Trump administration should do,
if anything, other than what they are doing, or how
do you see the efforts to bring about the ceaspar
so far? Because you know Trump, I mean, I remember
I talked to him about this, gosh a few years ago,
even when Russia, when Russia invaded, and he was just saying, look,
it wouldn't have happen under my watch. I think he's
(02:13):
on a very strong ground there because it didn't happen
on his watch, and it very easily could have. He
also said, I'm gonna bring this to an end very
very quickly, very quickly. Is subject to interpretation, But certainly
so far it feels like Putin isn't feeling the kind
of heat that might be necessary to get him to
get to a ceasefire. Or is this what you expect, David,
How do you see that part of the negotiations up
(02:35):
until now.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, I would say I'm at the point right now
that Trump should relieve anyone who's telling him that he
can bring the war to an end through negotiating pressure
on Putin. I think that simply is not in the
cards right now. The real problem here is Ukraine. The
problem is is they have all this foreign curtain weapons.
(02:57):
They are wedded to I believe, an insane nationalistic not
even nationalistic, because what they're really doing is siding with
the West against their near abroad superpower neighbor and for
the Russian whether right or wrong, they believe Ukraine is
an integral part of their sphere of influence and they
are not going to tolerate Western influence there. And if
(03:18):
you look at the history of the color revolutions that
the United States government sponsored in Ukraine on Russian borders,
if what we had done to Ukraine was done to us,
we would be livid. We would have problems, for instance,
and we have had problems, you know, for instance, with
the placement of nuclear weapons from a foreign superpower on
(03:39):
this continent. That was the you know, the Cuba crisis
in the nineteen sixties. So what I'm seeing now is
that Pudin wants Ukraine solved. And what that means right
now is killing as many Ukrainians as possible, dragging out
the war.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You know, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
American policy makers say this war is a good investment
because we're able to bleed Russia, and I think the
Russians are saying that in reverse, this war is a
great investment because it's a way to bleed NATO and
bleed Ukraine, and you're essentially solving two problems at once.
And it's true they're taking heavy casualties, but they are
willing to do so because Russia wants to be sovereign
(04:15):
and they see this as integral to their sovereignty.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And at a.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Deeper level, the reason that we're involved in Ukraine is
and Z the big new Brazinski, the former National security
advisor for Jimmy Carter, in his book on the subject,
he's saying, the reason we need to care about Ukraine
is because Stalin and Hitler cared about Ukraine, and I
would argue that for the United States today, we should
not root our foreign policy in what Adolf Hitler and
(04:39):
Joseph Stalin thought was important to them. That's not the
way we should think about geopolitics. We need to think
about this war from the standpoint of what is good
for the American people and getting into a conflict that
threatens to bleed into a wider conventional conflict involving European states,
potentially nuclear exchange, though that would be a major step.
(05:01):
It's just it's all risk and there's no real reward here.
We are embarrassing ourselves on the inter on the international
scene because we can't bring the war to a close.
We can't put enough pressure on Russia. They're immense natural resources.
Their willingness to suffer and their dedication to solving what
they see as a problem on their border is really
(05:22):
redounding back on us in a way that it's extremely
destructive for us right now. I would say, if President
Trump wants peace, the side that needs to feel pressure
is Ukraine, and that means putting pressure on the forces
and the American government that want to keep this war going.
That means putting pressure on the Senate, it means putting
pressure on the foreign policy establishment in DC, and putting
(05:43):
pressure on the Europeans. We need to frame an international
order in a way that the great powers can live
together in relative peace. And that doesn't mean we have
to approve of what Putin does inside of his own borders.
It means we need to think in a serious way
about what geopolitics means for the American people and for
the security of our rights.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's come back and talk about this terrorist attack in
Colorado here in just a second. But first up, our
sponsor here is Birch Gold as old is a long
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for over a decade going on two decades.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Look, the debt's not going away. In fact, we're about
to raise the debts only five trillion dollars. The only
way that we're going to continue to have our government
function when it comes to spending is printing money. There's
going to be inflation and it's going to erode the
value of the dollars in your savings account. That's just
the inevitable reality we face right now. What can you
do about it is where gold comes in. Birch Gold
Group is who I trust, and Birch Gold Group can
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Birch Gold today. All right, Josiah, So we had this Terottech.
Did you see the CNN clowns who this guy's yelling
free Palestine at a vigil for you know, the hostages
(07:23):
that Hamas has taken. He's yelling free Palestine. I think
his name is like Mohammad something or other. And the
people went on CNN the so called national security experts,
including the former deputy Director of the FBI, mckayb who's
a world class comeback, and they said, we shouldn't jump
to conclusions about this. You can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Indeed, we cannot. I heard.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I also understand from Bill Melgwin that this guy is
an illegal immigrant, that he was a visa overstay from
twenty twenty three right in by the Biden people.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, excuse me, yeah, And you know, you've got this guy.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Who's an illegal immigrant, who is invested in this foreign conflict.
And so because of our immigration policies and because of
our interventions broad we now have these conflicts playing.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Out in our own streets.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And I don't know if you saw there was a
trans Pride flag in the background of this guy throwing
you know, malotov cocktails and you know, burning these people,
this gaza, you know, this Gaza vigil, and it just
this is clown world. This is insane.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We can't have this.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I've said before and I'm gonna say it again. We
should absolutely any person flying a foreign flag and protesting
on behalf of that country in the United States should
be deported to that country. I am so tired of
having these foreign conflicts happening. In my communities. It's bad
for us.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It strikes me as particularly absurd that you have so
many people who come into this country pretending that they
want asylum, and then when they're here waiting for their
fake asylum in this case, guy's a terrorist. But even
beyond that, you have them engaging in political agitation on
our soil. So you're imagine the mentality of my home
(09:11):
country is such a crap hole that I need to
be with you guys because it's unsafe for me to
go home. As we know, this isn't even really true.
There's all these cases of like Somali refugees, for example,
a lot of them are in the Minnesota or in
Minnesota and they've gotten you know, refugee status or asylum,
and then they go home on vacation here and there
(09:32):
to go back to some mall you to like visit
friends and family. You're like, if you need asylum from
a place, you're not going there on vacation. But it's
a scam, right, The whole thing is a scam. And
I think that people are seeing more and more of that,
and that's important because finally the truth is coming out.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, we need to have a sovereign country. That means
we need to have the right to stay neutral in
conflicts abroad. And that's so hard for liberals to hear
because what they want to do is care about everywhere,
all the.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Time in the same way.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And my argument is we need to have the ability
to just say we're taking a step back, because if
we don't, then we're seeing we see now we're invested
in conflicts happening half a world away, and then these
conflicts end up back here. This is this is not
a good way to have a successful country.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, I think that the explosion of lunacy that we're
seeing on these college campuses too. It's funny you're you're
a Hillsdale PhD student and you have all these all
these Democrats who will say, well, how would you feel
about Hillsdale if they didn't get their hundreds of millions
of dollars in the federal government. It's like, you, guys,
don't you know. People just don't get it, Like the
(10:42):
scam has been run so long that they have no
sense of the Democrats have already done everything they can
to leverage the public purse for their side and to
take over these institutions and any competing institution. Of course,
they make sure they don't get any federal dollars.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right well, and I think at this point I don't
want to get federal money. What I want to do
is take away federal money from the left. If you
took away taxpayer funding for the radical left today, almost
all the stuff would immediately implode. Americans do not want
this crazy and that's what the last election really showed us.
Americans want a new pathway forward. They want to have
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a real country. They want to have law and order.
They want to get out of these stupid wars. They
want inflation to go down. They want sound money, they
want a free market where they can't they're not being
oppressed by the state everywhere they go. And to have that,
we need to have border security, and we need to
have a sane foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And this is an easy layup, easy layup.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It has been interesting to me to see that the
usual tactics you remember, I'm sure under the first Trump term,
Ocasio Cortes, congresswoman aoc down at the border holding the fence,
did like a photo shoot, you know, like she was,
you know, on the cover of Vanity Fair or something,
you know, photo shoot is crying, and it's also inhumane
(12:01):
and also horrible. The teary eyed oh my gosh, how
could they do this stuff isn't working as well, especially
when the Democrats are rallying around somebody like Abrego Garcia
who got sent to Al Salvador, who is a reputed
member of MS thirteen. It turns out they couldn't turn
on the water works enough with all the tears to
(12:22):
make people normal Americans care about some non American who
got sent back to his country.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yes, and I think it was Twitter user captive Dreamer
who had he found all the Instagram photos of Garcia's
MS thirteen tattoos on his knuckle that his girlfriend had
tried to cover up. And you're just like, this is
who the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Are gonna weep for. This is their hero. I mean,
these the Democrats and the left.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
The great news for those of us who are saying
is that our opponents are are nuts.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They have no grasp on reality.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They are literally going to bat for these gang bangers,
and who.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
By the way, cares about ordinary Americans.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Who is really invested in trying to since you know,
you know, keep fentol from flowing into the country.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I think. I saw an article today.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Some media outlet was like, well, it's true, Finnyl shipments
are decreasing across the border, and it's like, right, because
Trump is president.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That's the reason that these things are happening.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
We finally have American leadership that cares about Americans, and
right now the left is wetting itself to crazy and
in a way that's terrible for the country, but it
is good for those of us who want to try
and restore sanity here.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What do you think about what we know, at least
so far, of what Secretary of Defense hag Seth and
his team are trying to do over the Pentagon? Your marine,
former marine? Is this the kind of stuff that you
would have expected? Do you want to see more? I
just wanted your assessment of some of the policy changes underway,
(13:55):
you know, saying like trans troops aren't going to be
deployed that kind of.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Stuff, right. I like it. I like hag Seth.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think it's all steps in the right direction. They're
getting back to a culture that's oriented toward winning wars,
which is what it needs to be right now. And
so I hear from people I know in the military
just there's been a more freedom of speech, more freedom
of thought. That's happening now that you don't have so
much crazy in charge. I think, however, there's just a
(14:24):
lot more to do, and I don't blame that on
Hegseth and his team. I just think the left has
been burrowing away for so long that it will take
a lot to get back to really clear and coaching
understanding of what we need to be doing in terms
of foreign policy and war fighting capacity. And that's a
lot of work. And we need to get support for
(14:46):
Trump now, and then we need to win in twenty eight.
I want to see jd Vance in there for another
eight years. We need just time to get these institutions
as reformed as possible. And Trump has shown us the
way forward.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So am I happy about it.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
As a marine, it's awesome. The Biden years were really dark.
They were really really bad for my men who I
know stayed in the Marine Corps. Some of them were
kicked out because of vaccine mandates and it was horrible
what was done to them and would.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
They need justice?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And it's just good to know that you have someone
like Pete Hegseth who is in there. He understands the
perspective of the guy on the front lines. He's not
simply a DC bureaucrat, and it's such a bresh of
fresh air. It's just awesome to have someone like that
in there. I want him to have success. I want
him to get these reform throughs, reform through and I
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want to see them go even further.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
There's just a lot more to be done.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
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Speaker 1 (16:27):
Well, it am hoping I have a draft right now,
have the committee looking at it, and I hope one
day to have it published and to get it out
there and you know, fit for consumption. It's it's academic
and scholarly, but my aim is to have citizens and
policymakers alike be able to read it and gain something
(16:47):
from it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
One of the topic, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So it stems from my time when I was deployed
to Okinawa back in twenty nineteen and I began to wonder.
I said, why are we still here in Japan seventy
five years after the Second World War? And that question
led me to consider why did we fight the Empire
of Japan to begin with? And it was helpful to
contrast the Founder's foreign policy, which aimed at the protection
(17:13):
of American rights, which with the much more crusading foreign
policy of the later liberals like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
And it was helpful to see those two things. In contrast,
the Founders, I believe were much more hard headed. They
had an understanding of what war was for war is
designed to protect the rights of Americans, and that means
(17:36):
we do not want to provoke war because Americans die
in conflicts and we don't want that to happen. We
don't want to spend their tax dollars on war unless
we absolutely have to. And the Founders had a very
clear framework for thinking about foreign policy engagement, and I
think policy makers and citizens now we gain from seeing
their wisdom and understanding it more fully. And that's the
(17:57):
aim of my dissertation is to take these ideas and
show their relevance to problems we face in our own time.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Josiah, appreciate you being with me.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Buck, thank you so much for your time.
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