July 9, 2024 • 35 mins
Buck Sexton is joined by Professor Wilfred Reilly, author of the thought-provoking book "Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me." Buck and Professor Riley dive into a discussion about the current political landscape, focusing on the implications of Kamala Harris as a diversity hire and Joe Biden's cognitive state. They explore the dynamics within the Democratic Party, the challenges of political correctness, and the perspectives from within historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs). They also touch on the broader implications of Biden’s potential legacy and the future of the Democratic ticket.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief Everybody. This episode, Wilfred
Riley with us for the first time on the program.
He is a professor and he has a great book.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Lies. My liberal teacher told.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Me the book could be thousands of pages long, but
it is normal reading length for all of you out there,
so don't worry.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wilfrid appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Can I start with this because this is a debate
that came up today on the radio show. What should
people make of the fact that Kamala Harris is a
Dei hire of sorts as VP. So Kamala is a
Dei hire. Biden seems to be a dementia patient, and
so far the Democrats are going with the dementia patient.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, I mean, Kamala Harris is a terrible candidate. Kamala
Harris actually illustrates some of the risks of quote unquote
DEI hiring. I mean the New York Post journalist I
think we both know casually actually took a lot of
heat for saying this. Could be the first DEI president. Yeah,
but I mean, you know, uncle Joe, Joe Biden was
very open about saying, look, I want a black woman
(01:21):
as my VP. I want to do that for the
first time. It's going to be, you know, an irishman
from Scranton and a black lady running this country. And
so he picked the one black candidate in the race
who wasn't exactly you know, Carol Swain or one of
the great intellectual lights of the country. She was pulling
it one point seventy nine percent. I mean, she had
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to drop out of the race before she got to
her state when she was running for president. That's pretty exceptional.
So now you're in that position where the person you've
picked as a DEI executive is going to theoretically have
to take over the top job, and you find yourself
in a position a lot of us have been in
at a lower level where you kind of know they
can't do that. So it's pretty problematic for Joe Biden.
(02:03):
I mean, right now, obviously, the average Democrat would probably
rather see Joe continue than Kamala Harris. The problem is
Joe Biden's not functional. So who do you pick and
you can't just skip the president and the vice and
throwing Gavin Newsom and Raphael Warnock. I mean, that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I keep saying this to people.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I keep telling everyone, Look, I'm persuadable that it's going
to end up being common. I still think it's going
to be Joe Biden. And I've been very consistent on this,
and I'll tell you a Professor Riley, I've gotten emails
for the last year telling me that I'm nuts, And
now they're not saying I'm nuts anymore. They're saying, I
still think you might be wrong, but I'm not going
to say you're nuts because it's so close to the end,
and Biden is still very much that the nominee.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Idea that you would replace you would have Biden.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I suppose he would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He would somehow say I'm not running and I don't
want my vice to ascend. I'm not going to resign.
I'm not going to elevate the first black she would
become de facto, she would become, based on the line
of succession, the first black female president, right if she
could run as an incumbent, And then you're going to
go into the convention and allow for a huge fight,
(03:08):
and you're going to put the uh, kind of smarmy
white guy Gavin Newsom from California ahead of her and
hope that black female voters aren't going to think what
the heck is going on here?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, it's not going to happen. And I mean Harris
has said that pretty openly. I mean she's kind of,
you know, left shown the hilt of the knife a
little bit talking about, you know, the most loyal set
of voters in the Democratic Party knows who I am
and knows what I bring to the table. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean Gavin Newsome an interesting guy, friends of Sean
Hannity and all that, but it kind of looks like
(03:42):
a sociopathic Kendall Brooks Brothers down to the shoes. You
can't really trot him out in front of someone who
went to Howard black sorority woman and just tell the
black voting base, well, this is what we had to
do and throw another black vice in there. I mean,
I don't think you're going to get away with that.
Is it's either it's either the dimitipation or the or
(04:03):
Harris as president, and it's going to be Harris's president.
If Joe runs, by the way, Joe Biden's not going
to make it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I mean, you and I totally agree on this, by
the way, but see, to me, this means it's actually
more likely that it will be Biden through the election
because I think implicitly everybody in American politics, certainly on
the Democrat side, and I think in general, understands Joe
Biden is just running to make sure that a Democrat
has the job for four more years. I don't think
even Joe Biden thinks. And if people will say, oh,
(04:32):
why would he give it up? Then because he would
have he would have vanquished. In Joe Biden's mind, he'll
vanquish Donald Trump, and he will. He'll say he already
did it once. He'll vanquish Donald Trump again. He'll effectively
destroy MAGA. Right, this is again the Democrat narrative and
hand the first black female president the job of president
(04:54):
as like his great legacy moment. Joe Biden would do
that in a heartbeat. The book, the book advance He's
gonna get goes from you know, five to fifteen million overnight.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean, there's also another more practical reason that
Joe Biden's probably gonna end up and handing the title over.
Like I remember watching the debate with some of my
buddies down here in Kentucky and somebody asks, you know,
who's that that Joe Biden's looking at off the screen?
Is it a handler? And somebody else said, it's Jesus,
you know, not joking, not trying to blaspheme too much,
but just this is a person that's very close to
(05:26):
that mortal coil. I think, yeah, he's going to fight
through the election if they let him. But yeah, I
mean I would say, you're talking if you're voting for
Joe Biden for the mainstream Democrats listening to this show
for a change of pays, what you're voting for its
President Harris inside a year, and then you're going to
see another set of conflicts within the party as Harris
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picks a vice president and we kind of settle in
with a new administration with her at the top. I mean,
you know, I've I've pretty much openly said I'm I'm
voting for Trump. Given the options, I mean, it's it's
either you know, Big Trump, or it's the Biden Harris ticket.
Both parties by now have picked their nominee. There were
options in the primaries. Ron DeSantis was in the primaries.
(06:09):
I don't I don't necessarily know why either party came
to the conclusion that they did. But there are there
are two candidates in the race.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And that's I mean, this is you know, Biden's letter
that he put that he put out to Congress. I
made this argument on radio or you know, I in
essence defended the Biden point of view to other Democrats,
which is Biden won the primary. I mean, there were
people that try to run against them, and there were
other options, and Biden beat Democrats as the incumnment president
(06:34):
in the primary, people millions of Democrats voted for him.
This idea that he had a you know that he
was exposed in the debate, and so now he's forced
to step down.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
He's not forced, he can choose to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But I actually, Professor Riley, I want to come back
and ask you in a second here, because you teach
at a historically black college at university, right you teach
in h hb CU. I want to ask how you
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which I mean just the title alone, I'm sold. We're
(08:13):
going to talk about some of that though in a moment.
But first up, So Wilford, what what's it like the
you know, when you think about I know that you know,
school's not really in session now, though I'm sure there
are summer session people. But when you're looking at the
conversation on an HBCU these days about politics and about
the Biden Harris ticket, like, how do you because we
(08:36):
keep hearing that young black men for example, or just
they've had it with Biden, they've had it with them.
Are you picking up on that?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is that? What's going on? What do you see?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah? One of the things about teaching it an HBCU
that I've said before, and Kentucky State University is a
state U. It's a top two hundred American institution, but
it's also historically black college. They are about one hundred
and fifty HBCUs left in the United States, and obviously,
I mean the law being what it is today, they're
all pretty integrated we're about sixty percent black, forty percent
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in Kentucky Caucasian and Native. But the HBCUs are not
as quote unquote woke in general as you might imagine.
There are definitely some exceptions, but I think that part
of that is that almost all of the institution at
the leadership level is African American. So I mean, I've
had executive jobs at Kentucky State. I've in our university
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on budsmen, for example, And if you're at the decision
making level, I mean, it's a room full of you know,
black people in suits. So the idea of sort of,
you know, white man's responsible for this problem doesn't really
have a lot of purchase. If you're trying to explain
to the president what's going on with your budget something
like that. You know about fifteen to twenty percent of
black men vote Republican at least occasionally, So you're going
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to have that percentage of you know, Gop Beckers on
the faculty, and it's just going to be something that's
quietly accepted. It's not really a matter of discussion. So
whenever I've looked at what wokeness is, the demographic group
that stands out really is upper middle class white women
don't really mean to single out anyone, make fun of anyone,
But when you look at who's supports quote unquote political
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correctness or who supports limitations on speech, it's going to
be that population much more than it's going to be
black men, certainly, Asian Americans, anything like that. And in fact,
there's a weird disconnect where minorities tend to be more
socially conservative when it comes to quote unquote gay and
trans writes anything like that, even than whites overall, but
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tend to vote very heavily for the Democratic Party. So
there's a real question of how can we stop that,
how can we shift that that? I mean, every consultant
on the right side, as you know, has been working
on for you know, decades without much success. But I mean,
at any rate, the conversation on an HBCU campus is
pretty broad because it's it's unchecked. There's nothing that you
can't say, which I guess is a form of black
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privilege quote unquote with young black men. Yeah, you definitely
see that there's a reaction to quote unquote PC there's
a reaction to constant bashing of guys, which definitely targets
black athletes and so on nearly as much as white guys.
There's a reaction to just a lot of things, the
job market, a mass migration, which we're starting to see
in Kentucky. I mean, the population changes in a lot
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of places. And I also think there's just a lot
of affection for Trump like most and I don't. I
mean not that I'm not gonna love Trump by any means,
but in general, fairly confident, fairly aggressive people don't like
absurd self deprecation. People thought it was ridiculous when the
leadership of the Democratic Party put on kent a cloth,
for example, in Nelton the Congressional rotunda to praise George Floyd.
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So when this big guy from New York with the
red tie on stands up and says, you know, I'm
not racist, but what the hell do you have to lose?
And why not vote for me? I plan on lowering taxes,
brings out hip hop, MC's at events, goes to the
South Bronx, and does shows. I mean, I think that
from a lot of normal African American or Hispanic males
in particular, you're gonna get a reaction of why not.
(11:59):
I might try this. I'm not offended by this certainly.
So you have a pretty broad range of perspectives, and yeah,
some of those are pro GOP. There are also a
lot of people that are Quoe unquote riding with Biden.
So I mean you have a pretty pretty odd conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why doesn't Kamala Harris do better among particularly African American
voters in your view?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, I mean Kamala Harris, and so again this is
all relative. Like since the Great Society of the nineteen sixties,
the Democrats have pretty consistently won seventy plus percent of
Black So I mean when you say Kamala Harris has
seen is kind of a joke candidate, I mean that
might mean that she would win seventy five percent and
you know hears some wit and some rhetorics versus winning
ninety percent. But why is Kamala Harris considered a bad candidate?
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And I think this is true for people of all races.
Part of it's just that she seems very forced, very unpersonable.
I mean, like you seem like an enjoyable guy to
talk to. I think I am. I don't get that
impression from VP Harris. No, she has these these very
forced moments as sort of this this stiff business woman
(13:02):
who's forced to talk about how she loved taking the
bus to school or why she's a big fan of NASA.
That have actually gone viral on Bill Maher Gutfeld, and
you get the impression that a lot of her public
appearances are like that, the ceremonial bringing out of a
bottle of hot sauce. She's also not a great politician
one point nine percent. She has a background that really
conflicts with her image now sort of civil rights leader,
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and she was a famously tough prosecutor who was locked
up parents who were responsible for truant children. So I
don't have a problem with that, but that doesn't hitch
well to the black community. So just a lot of conflicts.
I will say. Also, don't really know how to feel
about this, but there's some question about whether she is
African American. So Kamala Harris is Indian and Jamaican and
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from the lordly class on both sides. So this comes
up sometimes with elite politicians from sort of the ivy class.
Barack Obama was white and Kenyan, and again from the
near nobility. So the question is when people start talking
about the black experience. Do you have the black experience? Bro?
I mean, and Barack Obama is from Indonesia in terms
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of childhood, upbringing and real' so I think people are
aware of that. With Harris as well. Some people like her,
many people don't. There are a lot of reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right, mister.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Wilfrid Riley, Professor Wilfrid Riley lies. My liberal teacher told me.
What are some of the lies. Let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
There are a bunch of them. So the book. What
the book does is look broadly at this claim that
we hear constantly. There's a famous book called lies. My
teacher told me. There's another famous book called sixteen nineteen,
you know, a Black History of America, and the sort
of implied subtitle is and the lies they're telling you.
There's another book called Bury my Heart, It Wounded Me,
(15:51):
a Native history of the United States. I might be
off by a word or two in some of these titles.
There's that old communist Howard zen's a people's history of
the United States, and you probably get the point by now.
But the idea of all of these is twofold. Like
one is the idea that you're living in the worst
culture every doweks like modern Western euro descent, white descent society.
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You know, we build the slave labor existed in this country.
We genocided the Native American Indians, women were oppressed, We
dropped bombs on our military opponents, buck, you know, just
so on on and on down the line of these
these things, these alleged unique atrocities. It's always our original sin,
our unique sin that we should feel guilty about. That's
point one, and point two is this idea that you
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are sort of an edgy rebel if you know that
we're bad. So if you ever read high school or
collegiate textbooks, they're these sort of panels on the side
of the page that say things like your parents probably
don't know too much about feminism, with an arrow linking
you to kind of radical campus resources that can help
you find out more. And this goes down even into
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the earlier grades where they're wildly inappropriate books on sex
education that link to internet sites that can explain things
to you in more detail, and so on down the line.
So you are woke in the legitimate sense. You're awake
if you know this. And when I started writing Lis,
my liberal teacher told me my assumption was twofold. One
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was that the West is not a uniquely bad society,
if anything, were a uniquely good society. And I think,
as a mani historians have found out, and as generalist
scholars like Thomas Saul have found in the past, that
turns out to be true. Things like war for conquest
existed literally everywhere until literally the past few decades of
the human species. The right to conquest wasn't abolished until
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after we beat the Axis powers in nineteen forty six.
Before that, if you beat someone in a fairly honest war,
you took their country. Major nations like Italy and Ethiopia
would simply fight for the ownership of lands that belonged
to one of the two powers. That was just reality.
So nothing unique about the West. Slavery one of the
oldest human vices. Slave one of the first twenty human words.
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I demonstrate that in the book. It's a word in
Egyptian hieroglyphic language. Samerian Kinea form language. But also two,
which I think is more important, being aware of modern leftism,
being aware of feminism or moderate socialism or something like that.
Isn't some unique edgy thing. These are the mainstream ideas
in society. The books that I'm negatively reviewing are the
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textbooks used in high school. The most popular curricula in
the high schools are things like the sixteen nineteen curriculum,
the Zin Projects, Zin Education curriculums going down the line.
So what I'm saying is one, we're actually better than
most other societies, but also two, we're teaching our children
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that we are worse. We're doing this at the mainstream level,
and we're presenting this as some kind of revolutionary education
designed to counter something else, designed to counter people's own parents,
And so I ask why this is. I think it's
an important thing to do, But in terms of the
actual lives themselves, I mean, there are many of the
things that we've mostly been told in the American upper
middle class. One of them is the Rid Scare, with
(19:07):
sort of a public panic that didn't catch any common
We now have the classified Venona cables from Soviet Russia,
so we know who the Russian spies were that existed
during that James bond era, and I mean most of
the people A Dalton, Trumbo, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, so
on down the line that became these caused celebs on
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the left. Why are they being attacked for no reason?
They actually were Russian agents.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We know they were spies. This is true, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They have code names like wild Boar. I mean you
can just literally go to Wikipedia or Britannica and google Venona,
NA cables and see who the spies were and what
their nicknames were. So that's one of them. Native Americans
were not peaceful for me, someone who's over forty, who
was educated in an urban but functional school, I mean
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that goes out saying the Comanche and so on were
taught to us accurately as some of the greatest warriors
in history up there at the Mongols. But today, I
recently I had a phone interview with one of the
guys from Skeptic Research Center, just talking about his projects
getting in touch with new research on kind of the
center right, and he told me that their latest survey
revealed that seventy percent of young people think that Native
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American Indians were peaceful. They lived in complete harmony with nature.
They didn't fight one another at least to the level
of multiple deaths or extermination. And that's complete fantasy. I mean,
the Aztecs built an entire cannibal kingdom down there in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know Comanche, who you mentioned for
the audience.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Everyone should know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But the Comanche way of warfare was specifically this is
not something that gets talked about. I've actually read extensively
about the Comanche, specifically professor specifically to attack helpless women
and children with greater numbers. If they did have to
attack place where they were men, to basically engage in
what they called murder raids that's what the Tejano or
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Texan early settlers call them. Where they would come in
and they would kill everybody. They might grab a few
children and rear them as slaves, and if there were
any men who resisted, not only was there a lot
of skot thing that went on, but actually they enjoy
doing particularly excruciating torture to people and this was considered
completely normal.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
This was just the way that they feel the command.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, the commanche their basic strategy in war was to
kill all the men, and except for a very few
exceptionally brave men, this would usually involve extreme tortures. If
you survive being shot or whatever, you'd be staked out
alive over a red ant hills, right skinned and left
out on the planes for wolves to eat. This kind
of thing. So you kill all the men, you gang
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rape all the women, and then you if they're under twelve,
you usually actually adopt the kids, so they become commanche warriors.
The Commanchry were a mixed race group of these sort
of wild riders, and they would paint themselves. Their face
paint was extremely well done. Base was black, so they'd
look like demons. They'd wear wolf masks on their head.
I mean they were. As a young man you might
find them almost an impressive culture. But they were deadly
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warriors and extremely brutal to other people. And I think
as civilization has progressed, that negative image first became universally
known and then became important to shelf. They couldn't have
that as the Mexican's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know that the Mexicans, the Mexican settlers initially, and
I guess this would be like seventeenth more seventeenth and
in the eighteenth century. But the early Mexican settlers were trying,
you know, they had these monks and priests who would
go out and try to convert and the commandon wanted
no part of any of this. Like this is the problem.
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Was the Spanish kept thinking, we'll bring them Christianity and
we will civilize them. And they kept responding with we
are going to stake your priests out on an hills
and you know, steal all your stuff and like rape
and murder anybody who gets in the way. And that
went on for about one hundred and fifty years, and
the Spanish basically couldn't expand their empire further than the
Plains Indians. And of course they're the ones who gave
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them the horses in the first place, which is the
great irony of this all. They weren't a horse people
to the Spanish came along.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
This was a problem actually historically, like most to the
great warrior peoples like the Vikings, the Zulus, the Comanchi
and the South, thought that Christianity was a religion for slaves,
which is also a Western aristocratic critique of Christianity from
Nietzsche and so on. But yeah, I mean, priests would
come out to the commancher rear to the Viking country
and say, well, I want to teach you about the
religion of peace, where you can't fight and where women
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are equal to men, and the Comanchi would just say
give us all your money and we might let you live,
and the priests would say, no, we insist on teaching
you the way, and the commands you would say, okay,
we're going to burn you alive.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, and that was a very common thing for them.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. So, I mean, I suppose many of the priests became,
you know, martyrs for the Most High God and all that.
But I mean to the warriors societies, this was just
a joke. These people believed in a faith that obviously
couldn't protect them. The Zulus thought the same thing, you know.
So eventually the Spanish and even better, the Americans who
began the Texas Rangers and so on, decided that it
would be it might be more effective to argue with
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the tools of this world. So they just sent big
armies onto the commander ren killed them all. So that
was what was in spiritual dispute.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
People forget this.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The Texas Rangers, which now everyone thinks of Chuck Norris
and like this contemporary like fly kick police officer role
or something. It was to stop the depredations of the
Comanche and the Apache and the Kiowa on the Texan
Frontier which were ongoing and incredibly brutal and something that
people don't you know, you mentioned Arry Mahart.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It wounded knee.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, that's if you just want to start at where
basically the entirety of the Pioneer Frontier views natives as
untrustworthy murderers, rapists and liars. Who Now it was that
fair and all? Of course not and were there bad
things that happened, went both ways, of course, but very.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
My heart wounded kne.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It is like these like really nice native tribes were
just hanging out and we kept making treaties and stealing
their land and there was yeah, well, I mean the
Commanche as soon as they got weapons from the French traders,
you know, guns and metal weapons, they tried to kill
as many of their competitor tribes as they could as
fast as they couldn't take their land.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Like this is the way things were done.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That's exactly correct. Yeah, Like one of my critiques of
Bury my heart. It wounded me is that it's just
it's a recitation of four hundred years of Native military defeats,
and I actually am a fan of the Native Americans.
So reading through the book, one of my questions was
where are the victories? Like you'd kind of wonder why
the war took four hundred years if you were only
aware of this perspective. Yeah, the idea is that sort
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of these peaceful eloy were just relaxing eating their grass
stew and the Whites, who are apparently very slow walkers to
judge from the pace of the conflict, came from nowhere
and started massacring them. And no, the reality you hit
on a very important point, which is that modern dorm
room morality has only existed I think we both said
for a couple of decades. So prior to nineteen fifty
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four would be a good year here as I understand,
that was the year the last of the Geneva Conventions
was ratified. So if you capture other fighting men, you
can't rape them, brand them, torture them, march through the
downtown of your city. That was the year we desegregated
in the USA. So if you have warring ethnic groups.
You can't keep them separate in different halves of the
town divided by a stone fence. You know, women, you know,
(26:22):
they could vote by that point, but marital rate was
still legal. So I mean, maybe at that point we
were starting to get close to modern ethics. But prior
to that point, I mean, the traditions that had existed
through all of human history were still there. One of
them was razia, or border breaking. So if you lived
next to another group of people who had some fighters
amongst them, your young men would raid over the border
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and take their horses and cattle and sheep and young girls,
and they would come back and do the same crap
to you. And that's what the whites and natives did
to each other all the time. The natives were worse
about it. So when you say, well all the treaties
were broken, a military scale raid breaks a treaty if
you've ever taken a military science class or anything like that. So,
I mean, when it wasn't just that the whites for
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no reason broke the treaties with the natives, the treaties
between and say the Scots, Irish settlers and the Sioux
or something like that, we're usually broken within a month
of being signed by both sides, and after a hundred
breakings of the treaty by both sides, eventually there'd be
a big battle, and you know, the Pony soldiers would
have to come in and settle them down.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
This is again part the part of this that that
never gets talked about is that you did there. And
there's plenty of documentation of this. I keep speaking about
it from the Commanchee side, but it's also like I said,
Apache and Kiowa and others, where they would basically have
to say, look, we're gonna try to tell meaning that
the elders, you know, the chief, if you will, we'll say,
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we're gonna try to tell everybody we're gonna honor this.
But some of my young guys are just gonna want
some scalps, and they're gonna want to raid. They're gonna
steal your stuff, and they're gonna rape some of your women,
and I can't stop them. I mean, And that was
actually what was happening over and and if you're living
on the Texan frontier, you don't care that the Comanche
command structure isn't refined enough that all you know is
(28:13):
that a bunch of guys painted with the fat black
paint on their face and the you know, animal head
dress and everything else. They just killed everybody that you
know and love. That's all you know, right, I mean,
all you know is what happens. You don't really care
about the failed negotiation. That so anyway, the America, you know,
there's some great fahren Bach is the guy that I
liked the most on this for anybody who's curious about
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some of them, more honest, and he doesn't you know,
he doesn't hold back on what the white settlers did.
All white settlers would go in, they'd kill every man,
woman and child too. But this was always a it
was always a tit for tat. It was always a
back and forth, and usually, at least in the case
of the Commancheria, you can point to the commanche starting
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what then resulted in a big counter strike. But anyway,
the book is sounding really cool. By the way, I
have to get a copy of it, and I want
to ask you one more question about the book here
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Speaker 1 (29:56):
What's one more? Because this is fun? I think I
think I'll go with number one. Actually, which is one
of the big lies, is that true historical slavery was
unique to white people in the West, and that's almost
the verse of the truth. So this is one of
those things where I actually looked at kind of the
deep historical record. I didn't just want to talk about
(30:17):
the Arabs or whatnot. I was interested in when slavery began,
and slavery began basically when some historical king a lot
of people say this was Sargon the Great, decided to
do something with battle captives other than just sacrificing them
to ball or eating them. So, I mean, those are
the options back in these premachinery, you know, low human
surplus societies. If you capture you might keep some of
(30:39):
the women around as quote unquote wives. But if you
defeat an army from the sea peoples or whatever, your
three options are to let them go to come fight
you again, massacre them in some ingenious way this is
what the Aztecs did, or make them work, make them
indentured servants or slaves or something that we now for
good reason find immoral. But put them in another section
(31:00):
of your dements and have them farm for a while,
and maybe let their descendants go. So when people started
doing that, you're talking about six seven thousand years ago.
A slave is one of the first human words. I
think I mentioned that earlier, but it's literally found in
Samerian canea form. It's as old as the word for sheep,
and it's actually interesting and a bit poignant because the
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word for slave just means defeated warrior. It's the word
for man from the mountain cities, but with a couple
additions to it, So man from the mountains who came
down here and lost. And from that point forward, I mean,
the Greeks had tons of slaves ten percent of the population.
The Romans had more slaves than that, sixteen percent of
the population. And Roman slavery was abusive in a way
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that black slavery in the New World or white slavery
in Arabia did not come close to being. Obviously, slavery
not good, but I mean the Romans would literally, if
you lost a battle to them, take you and kill
your wife and then throw you in an arena to
fight elephants with a spear. I mean, there was a
level of the use of other humans for entertainment that
we haven't matched since, like the emperor would have a
(32:07):
thousand dancing girls living in his palace. But from that
you go through Arabic slavery. The Arabs gave the world
their terms for both slave slav which means white slave.
It comes from Southern European and black slave in fact
abide which comes from African. That was the largest slave
trade in history, perhaps six million whites, seventeen million blacks
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taken out of Southern Europe taken out of Africa. The
Arabian trades largely forgotten. You've got the Atlantic slave trade
dominated by white European certainly can't forget that twelve million people.
But all this went on for all of time. If
you beat someone in a war, or if someone else
won a conflict like that, was willing to sell their
former enemies and their families. Those people are just on
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the market. I think the thing that I note in
this chapter that's been almost forgotten is that the unique
contribution of the West was ending the global slave market.
So I mean, in the USA, we fought a massive war,
of the deadliest war in American history, six hundred and
twenty thousand people were killed to end slavery in the country.
But that was just a small part of this general Western,
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in fact Christian and driven movement against slavery. So the
British Navy sailed around the world blockading slave trading ports,
which is one of those great stories no one tells anymore.
I mean, the Brits formed an enclosure of ships around
the island of Zanzibars. At the time was a world
power and just sort of threatened to declare war unless
specifically the slaving portion of the operation there stopped, and eventually,
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after a great deal of negotiations and the risk of
a serious conflict, it did. Brazil. By the eighteen eighties,
Latin America had declared that they were going to accommodate
the rest of the Americas and stop the slave markets.
So I mean the Western world led the way on this,
and where kind of the Western boot never really trod,
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slavery often still endures. I mean, if you're looking honestly
at sort of chattel serfdom in Saudi Arabia or India,
or if you're looking at what's just openly called slavery
and Mauritania today, I mean there's still I believe the
figure is fifty million slaves around the world right now. Again,
most of them are probably Blacks or Eastern Europeans. So
there's a weird disconnect between people talking about historical slavery
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in America and saying, well, four hundred years ago, there
was a near race war in this country. Four hundred
years ago. My people were oppressed and brutalized in this country,
and the same people ignoring the fact that actual enslavement
is still going on today. And my honest opinion on
that would be that there's no money to be made
from actual enslavement going on today. If you're looking for
(34:35):
Ukrainian women broken into the porn industry or something like that,
and you're trying to free these people, that's going to
be something that's going to cost you money and time.
Where dangerous people are going to be hunting you. You're
not going to be able to squeeze cash and sympathy
out of a sort of caring modern society. So we
spend a lot of time on this kind of historiography
looking back at the bad things that we in our
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society did. I guess one of the points of the
book is, without excusing us, everybody did these bad things,
some of which like fighting opponents in war or limiting
immigration aren't even bad. That's point one point two. We
stopped doing them, and they're still going on to a
great extent today. They're just ignored by Westerners when they
(35:18):
happen colonial ten points in a row. But like China
is engaging in colonialism now. They're buying large chunks of
land in Africa, in the Middle East and building things
like national railroads that they control, that they manipulate and
can sell back to those countries or take from those
nations whenever they want to. But there's no gain in
our contemporary politics of bringing up that sort of thing,
(35:41):
so it's not brought up.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm sold, by the way. I'm getting your book lies,
my liberal teacher told me.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I like to buy it, by the way, because I
like to support the author. So people send me free
books all the time. But I'm not that you've ad
That's all right, I'm actually going to buy a copy
right now on Amazon. Lies, my liberal teacher told me.
Wilfrid Riley. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Please let's talk again soon. Let's getch you on the
radio show too. Thanks for being with me.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, love to come on. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief Everybody. This episode, Wilfred
Riley with us for the first time on the program.
He is a professor and he has a great book.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Lies. My liberal teacher told.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Me the book could be thousands of pages long, but
it is normal reading length for all of you out there,
so don't worry.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Wilfrid appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Can I start with this because this is a debate
that came up today on the radio show. What should
people make of the fact that Kamala Harris is a
Dei hire of sorts as VP. So Kamala is a
Dei hire. Biden seems to be a dementia patient, and
so far the Democrats are going with the dementia patient.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, I mean, Kamala Harris is a terrible candidate. Kamala
Harris actually illustrates some of the risks of quote unquote
DEI hiring. I mean the New York Post journalist I
think we both know casually actually took a lot of
heat for saying this. Could be the first DEI president. Yeah,
but I mean, you know, uncle Joe, Joe Biden was
very open about saying, look, I want a black woman
(01:21):
as my VP. I want to do that for the
first time. It's going to be, you know, an irishman
from Scranton and a black lady running this country. And
so he picked the one black candidate in the race
who wasn't exactly you know, Carol Swain or one of
the great intellectual lights of the country. She was pulling
it one point seventy nine percent. I mean, she had
(01:41):
to drop out of the race before she got to
her state when she was running for president. That's pretty exceptional.
So now you're in that position where the person you've
picked as a DEI executive is going to theoretically have
to take over the top job, and you find yourself
in a position a lot of us have been in
at a lower level where you kind of know they
can't do that. So it's pretty problematic for Joe Biden.
(02:03):
I mean, right now, obviously, the average Democrat would probably
rather see Joe continue than Kamala Harris. The problem is
Joe Biden's not functional. So who do you pick and
you can't just skip the president and the vice and
throwing Gavin Newsom and Raphael Warnock. I mean, that's not realistic.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I keep saying this to people.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I keep telling everyone, Look, I'm persuadable that it's going
to end up being common. I still think it's going
to be Joe Biden. And I've been very consistent on this,
and I'll tell you a Professor Riley, I've gotten emails
for the last year telling me that I'm nuts, And
now they're not saying I'm nuts anymore. They're saying, I
still think you might be wrong, but I'm not going
to say you're nuts because it's so close to the end,
and Biden is still very much that the nominee.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I mean, the.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Idea that you would replace you would have Biden.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I suppose he would.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He would somehow say I'm not running and I don't
want my vice to ascend. I'm not going to resign.
I'm not going to elevate the first black she would
become de facto, she would become, based on the line
of succession, the first black female president, right if she
could run as an incumbent, And then you're going to
go into the convention and allow for a huge fight,
(03:08):
and you're going to put the uh, kind of smarmy
white guy Gavin Newsom from California ahead of her and
hope that black female voters aren't going to think what
the heck is going on here?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It just makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, it's not going to happen. And I mean Harris
has said that pretty openly. I mean she's kind of,
you know, left shown the hilt of the knife a
little bit talking about, you know, the most loyal set
of voters in the Democratic Party knows who I am
and knows what I bring to the table. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean Gavin Newsome an interesting guy, friends of Sean
Hannity and all that, but it kind of looks like
(03:42):
a sociopathic Kendall Brooks Brothers down to the shoes. You
can't really trot him out in front of someone who
went to Howard black sorority woman and just tell the
black voting base, well, this is what we had to
do and throw another black vice in there. I mean,
I don't think you're going to get away with that.
Is it's either it's either the dimitipation or the or
(04:03):
Harris as president, and it's going to be Harris's president.
If Joe runs, by the way, Joe Biden's not going
to make it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I mean, you and I totally agree on this, by
the way, but see, to me, this means it's actually
more likely that it will be Biden through the election
because I think implicitly everybody in American politics, certainly on
the Democrat side, and I think in general, understands Joe
Biden is just running to make sure that a Democrat
has the job for four more years. I don't think
even Joe Biden thinks. And if people will say, oh,
(04:32):
why would he give it up? Then because he would
have he would have vanquished. In Joe Biden's mind, he'll
vanquish Donald Trump, and he will. He'll say he already
did it once. He'll vanquish Donald Trump again. He'll effectively
destroy MAGA. Right, this is again the Democrat narrative and
hand the first black female president the job of president
(04:54):
as like his great legacy moment. Joe Biden would do
that in a heartbeat. The book, the book advance He's
gonna get goes from you know, five to fifteen million overnight.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, I mean, there's also another more practical reason that
Joe Biden's probably gonna end up and handing the title over.
Like I remember watching the debate with some of my
buddies down here in Kentucky and somebody asks, you know,
who's that that Joe Biden's looking at off the screen?
Is it a handler? And somebody else said, it's Jesus,
you know, not joking, not trying to blaspheme too much,
but just this is a person that's very close to
(05:26):
that mortal coil. I think, yeah, he's going to fight
through the election if they let him. But yeah, I
mean I would say, you're talking if you're voting for
Joe Biden for the mainstream Democrats listening to this show
for a change of pays, what you're voting for its
President Harris inside a year, and then you're going to
see another set of conflicts within the party as Harris
(05:49):
picks a vice president and we kind of settle in
with a new administration with her at the top. I mean,
you know, I've I've pretty much openly said I'm I'm
voting for Trump. Given the options, I mean, it's it's
either you know, Big Trump, or it's the Biden Harris ticket.
Both parties by now have picked their nominee. There were
options in the primaries. Ron DeSantis was in the primaries.
(06:09):
I don't I don't necessarily know why either party came
to the conclusion that they did. But there are there
are two candidates in the race.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And that's I mean, this is you know, Biden's letter
that he put that he put out to Congress. I
made this argument on radio or you know, I in
essence defended the Biden point of view to other Democrats,
which is Biden won the primary. I mean, there were
people that try to run against them, and there were
other options, and Biden beat Democrats as the incumnment president
(06:34):
in the primary, people millions of Democrats voted for him.
This idea that he had a you know that he
was exposed in the debate, and so now he's forced
to step down.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
He's not forced, he can choose to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But I actually, Professor Riley, I want to come back
and ask you in a second here, because you teach
at a historically black college at university, right you teach
in h hb CU. I want to ask how you
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going to talk about some of that though in a moment.
But first up, So Wilford, what what's it like the
you know, when you think about I know that you know,
school's not really in session now, though I'm sure there
are summer session people. But when you're looking at the
conversation on an HBCU these days about politics and about
the Biden Harris ticket, like, how do you because we
(08:36):
keep hearing that young black men for example, or just
they've had it with Biden, they've had it with them.
Are you picking up on that?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Is that? What's going on? What do you see?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah? One of the things about teaching it an HBCU
that I've said before, and Kentucky State University is a
state U. It's a top two hundred American institution, but
it's also historically black college. They are about one hundred
and fifty HBCUs left in the United States, and obviously,
I mean the law being what it is today, they're
all pretty integrated we're about sixty percent black, forty percent
(09:07):
in Kentucky Caucasian and Native. But the HBCUs are not
as quote unquote woke in general as you might imagine.
There are definitely some exceptions, but I think that part
of that is that almost all of the institution at
the leadership level is African American. So I mean, I've
had executive jobs at Kentucky State. I've in our university
(09:28):
on budsmen, for example, And if you're at the decision
making level, I mean, it's a room full of you know,
black people in suits. So the idea of sort of,
you know, white man's responsible for this problem doesn't really
have a lot of purchase. If you're trying to explain
to the president what's going on with your budget something
like that. You know about fifteen to twenty percent of
black men vote Republican at least occasionally, So you're going
(09:49):
to have that percentage of you know, Gop Beckers on
the faculty, and it's just going to be something that's
quietly accepted. It's not really a matter of discussion. So
whenever I've looked at what wokeness is, the demographic group
that stands out really is upper middle class white women
don't really mean to single out anyone, make fun of anyone,
But when you look at who's supports quote unquote political
(10:11):
correctness or who supports limitations on speech, it's going to
be that population much more than it's going to be
black men, certainly, Asian Americans, anything like that. And in fact,
there's a weird disconnect where minorities tend to be more
socially conservative when it comes to quote unquote gay and
trans writes anything like that, even than whites overall, but
(10:32):
tend to vote very heavily for the Democratic Party. So
there's a real question of how can we stop that,
how can we shift that that? I mean, every consultant
on the right side, as you know, has been working
on for you know, decades without much success. But I mean,
at any rate, the conversation on an HBCU campus is
pretty broad because it's it's unchecked. There's nothing that you
can't say, which I guess is a form of black
(10:53):
privilege quote unquote with young black men. Yeah, you definitely
see that there's a reaction to quote unquote PC there's
a reaction to constant bashing of guys, which definitely targets
black athletes and so on nearly as much as white guys.
There's a reaction to just a lot of things, the
job market, a mass migration, which we're starting to see
in Kentucky. I mean, the population changes in a lot
(11:15):
of places. And I also think there's just a lot
of affection for Trump like most and I don't. I
mean not that I'm not gonna love Trump by any means,
but in general, fairly confident, fairly aggressive people don't like
absurd self deprecation. People thought it was ridiculous when the
leadership of the Democratic Party put on kent a cloth,
for example, in Nelton the Congressional rotunda to praise George Floyd.
(11:38):
So when this big guy from New York with the
red tie on stands up and says, you know, I'm
not racist, but what the hell do you have to lose?
And why not vote for me? I plan on lowering taxes,
brings out hip hop, MC's at events, goes to the
South Bronx, and does shows. I mean, I think that
from a lot of normal African American or Hispanic males
in particular, you're gonna get a reaction of why not.
(11:59):
I might try this. I'm not offended by this certainly.
So you have a pretty broad range of perspectives, and yeah,
some of those are pro GOP. There are also a
lot of people that are Quoe unquote riding with Biden.
So I mean you have a pretty pretty odd conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Why doesn't Kamala Harris do better among particularly African American
voters in your view?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, I mean Kamala Harris, and so again this is
all relative. Like since the Great Society of the nineteen sixties,
the Democrats have pretty consistently won seventy plus percent of
Black So I mean when you say Kamala Harris has
seen is kind of a joke candidate, I mean that
might mean that she would win seventy five percent and
you know hears some wit and some rhetorics versus winning
ninety percent. But why is Kamala Harris considered a bad candidate?
(12:42):
And I think this is true for people of all races.
Part of it's just that she seems very forced, very unpersonable.
I mean, like you seem like an enjoyable guy to
talk to. I think I am. I don't get that
impression from VP Harris. No, she has these these very
forced moments as sort of this this stiff business woman
(13:02):
who's forced to talk about how she loved taking the
bus to school or why she's a big fan of NASA.
That have actually gone viral on Bill Maher Gutfeld, and
you get the impression that a lot of her public
appearances are like that, the ceremonial bringing out of a
bottle of hot sauce. She's also not a great politician
one point nine percent. She has a background that really
conflicts with her image now sort of civil rights leader,
(13:25):
and she was a famously tough prosecutor who was locked
up parents who were responsible for truant children. So I
don't have a problem with that, but that doesn't hitch
well to the black community. So just a lot of conflicts.
I will say. Also, don't really know how to feel
about this, but there's some question about whether she is
African American. So Kamala Harris is Indian and Jamaican and
(13:45):
from the lordly class on both sides. So this comes
up sometimes with elite politicians from sort of the ivy class.
Barack Obama was white and Kenyan, and again from the
near nobility. So the question is when people start talking
about the black experience. Do you have the black experience? Bro?
I mean, and Barack Obama is from Indonesia in terms
(14:07):
of childhood, upbringing and real' so I think people are
aware of that. With Harris as well. Some people like her,
many people don't. There are a lot of reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
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Speaker 3 (15:20):
All right, mister.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Wilfrid Riley, Professor Wilfrid Riley lies. My liberal teacher told me.
What are some of the lies. Let's get into this.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
There are a bunch of them. So the book. What
the book does is look broadly at this claim that
we hear constantly. There's a famous book called lies. My
teacher told me. There's another famous book called sixteen nineteen,
you know, a Black History of America, and the sort
of implied subtitle is and the lies they're telling you.
There's another book called Bury my Heart, It Wounded Me,
(15:51):
a Native history of the United States. I might be
off by a word or two in some of these titles.
There's that old communist Howard zen's a people's history of
the United States, and you probably get the point by now.
But the idea of all of these is twofold. Like
one is the idea that you're living in the worst
culture every doweks like modern Western euro descent, white descent society.
(16:16):
You know, we build the slave labor existed in this country.
We genocided the Native American Indians, women were oppressed, We
dropped bombs on our military opponents, buck, you know, just
so on on and on down the line of these
these things, these alleged unique atrocities. It's always our original sin,
our unique sin that we should feel guilty about. That's
point one, and point two is this idea that you
(16:38):
are sort of an edgy rebel if you know that
we're bad. So if you ever read high school or
collegiate textbooks, they're these sort of panels on the side
of the page that say things like your parents probably
don't know too much about feminism, with an arrow linking
you to kind of radical campus resources that can help
you find out more. And this goes down even into
(16:58):
the earlier grades where they're wildly inappropriate books on sex
education that link to internet sites that can explain things
to you in more detail, and so on down the line.
So you are woke in the legitimate sense. You're awake
if you know this. And when I started writing Lis,
my liberal teacher told me my assumption was twofold. One
(17:18):
was that the West is not a uniquely bad society,
if anything, were a uniquely good society. And I think,
as a mani historians have found out, and as generalist
scholars like Thomas Saul have found in the past, that
turns out to be true. Things like war for conquest
existed literally everywhere until literally the past few decades of
the human species. The right to conquest wasn't abolished until
(17:40):
after we beat the Axis powers in nineteen forty six.
Before that, if you beat someone in a fairly honest war,
you took their country. Major nations like Italy and Ethiopia
would simply fight for the ownership of lands that belonged
to one of the two powers. That was just reality.
So nothing unique about the West. Slavery one of the
oldest human vices. Slave one of the first twenty human words.
(18:01):
I demonstrate that in the book. It's a word in
Egyptian hieroglyphic language. Samerian Kinea form language. But also two,
which I think is more important, being aware of modern leftism,
being aware of feminism or moderate socialism or something like that.
Isn't some unique edgy thing. These are the mainstream ideas
in society. The books that I'm negatively reviewing are the
(18:24):
textbooks used in high school. The most popular curricula in
the high schools are things like the sixteen nineteen curriculum,
the Zin Projects, Zin Education curriculums going down the line.
So what I'm saying is one, we're actually better than
most other societies, but also two, we're teaching our children
(18:44):
that we are worse. We're doing this at the mainstream level,
and we're presenting this as some kind of revolutionary education
designed to counter something else, designed to counter people's own parents,
And so I ask why this is. I think it's
an important thing to do, But in terms of the
actual lives themselves, I mean, there are many of the
things that we've mostly been told in the American upper
middle class. One of them is the Rid Scare, with
(19:07):
sort of a public panic that didn't catch any common
We now have the classified Venona cables from Soviet Russia,
so we know who the Russian spies were that existed
during that James bond era, and I mean most of
the people A Dalton, Trumbo, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, so
on down the line that became these caused celebs on
(19:27):
the left. Why are they being attacked for no reason?
They actually were Russian agents.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
We know they were spies. This is true, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
They have code names like wild Boar. I mean you
can just literally go to Wikipedia or Britannica and google Venona,
NA cables and see who the spies were and what
their nicknames were. So that's one of them. Native Americans
were not peaceful for me, someone who's over forty, who
was educated in an urban but functional school, I mean
(19:56):
that goes out saying the Comanche and so on were
taught to us accurately as some of the greatest warriors
in history up there at the Mongols. But today, I
recently I had a phone interview with one of the
guys from Skeptic Research Center, just talking about his projects
getting in touch with new research on kind of the
center right, and he told me that their latest survey
revealed that seventy percent of young people think that Native
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American Indians were peaceful. They lived in complete harmony with nature.
They didn't fight one another at least to the level
of multiple deaths or extermination. And that's complete fantasy. I mean,
the Aztecs built an entire cannibal kingdom down there in Mexico.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know Comanche, who you mentioned for
the audience.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Everyone should know.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But the Comanche way of warfare was specifically this is
not something that gets talked about. I've actually read extensively
about the Comanche, specifically professor specifically to attack helpless women
and children with greater numbers. If they did have to
attack place where they were men, to basically engage in
what they called murder raids that's what the Tejano or
(20:58):
Texan early settlers call them. Where they would come in
and they would kill everybody. They might grab a few
children and rear them as slaves, and if there were
any men who resisted, not only was there a lot
of skot thing that went on, but actually they enjoy
doing particularly excruciating torture to people and this was considered
completely normal.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
This was just the way that they feel the command.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, the commanche their basic strategy in war was to
kill all the men, and except for a very few
exceptionally brave men, this would usually involve extreme tortures. If
you survive being shot or whatever, you'd be staked out
alive over a red ant hills, right skinned and left
out on the planes for wolves to eat. This kind
of thing. So you kill all the men, you gang
(21:39):
rape all the women, and then you if they're under twelve,
you usually actually adopt the kids, so they become commanche warriors.
The Commanchry were a mixed race group of these sort
of wild riders, and they would paint themselves. Their face
paint was extremely well done. Base was black, so they'd
look like demons. They'd wear wolf masks on their head.
I mean they were. As a young man you might
find them almost an impressive culture. But they were deadly
(22:02):
warriors and extremely brutal to other people. And I think
as civilization has progressed, that negative image first became universally
known and then became important to shelf. They couldn't have
that as the Mexican's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
You know that the Mexicans, the Mexican settlers initially, and
I guess this would be like seventeenth more seventeenth and
in the eighteenth century. But the early Mexican settlers were trying,
you know, they had these monks and priests who would
go out and try to convert and the commandon wanted
no part of any of this. Like this is the problem.
(22:39):
Was the Spanish kept thinking, we'll bring them Christianity and
we will civilize them. And they kept responding with we
are going to stake your priests out on an hills
and you know, steal all your stuff and like rape
and murder anybody who gets in the way. And that
went on for about one hundred and fifty years, and
the Spanish basically couldn't expand their empire further than the
Plains Indians. And of course they're the ones who gave
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them the horses in the first place, which is the
great irony of this all. They weren't a horse people
to the Spanish came along.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
This was a problem actually historically, like most to the
great warrior peoples like the Vikings, the Zulus, the Comanchi
and the South, thought that Christianity was a religion for slaves,
which is also a Western aristocratic critique of Christianity from
Nietzsche and so on. But yeah, I mean, priests would
come out to the commancher rear to the Viking country
and say, well, I want to teach you about the
religion of peace, where you can't fight and where women
(23:30):
are equal to men, and the Comanchi would just say
give us all your money and we might let you live,
and the priests would say, no, we insist on teaching
you the way, and the commands you would say, okay,
we're going to burn you alive.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, and that was a very common thing for them.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah. So, I mean, I suppose many of the priests became,
you know, martyrs for the Most High God and all that.
But I mean to the warriors societies, this was just
a joke. These people believed in a faith that obviously
couldn't protect them. The Zulus thought the same thing, you know.
So eventually the Spanish and even better, the Americans who
began the Texas Rangers and so on, decided that it
would be it might be more effective to argue with
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the tools of this world. So they just sent big
armies onto the commander ren killed them all. So that
was what was in spiritual dispute.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
People forget this.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
The Texas Rangers, which now everyone thinks of Chuck Norris
and like this contemporary like fly kick police officer role
or something. It was to stop the depredations of the
Comanche and the Apache and the Kiowa on the Texan
Frontier which were ongoing and incredibly brutal and something that
people don't you know, you mentioned Arry Mahart.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
It wounded knee.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, that's if you just want to start at where
basically the entirety of the Pioneer Frontier views natives as
untrustworthy murderers, rapists and liars. Who Now it was that
fair and all? Of course not and were there bad
things that happened, went both ways, of course, but very.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
My heart wounded kne.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It is like these like really nice native tribes were
just hanging out and we kept making treaties and stealing
their land and there was yeah, well, I mean the
Commanche as soon as they got weapons from the French traders,
you know, guns and metal weapons, they tried to kill
as many of their competitor tribes as they could as
fast as they couldn't take their land.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Like this is the way things were done.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That's exactly correct. Yeah, Like one of my critiques of
Bury my heart. It wounded me is that it's just
it's a recitation of four hundred years of Native military defeats,
and I actually am a fan of the Native Americans.
So reading through the book, one of my questions was
where are the victories? Like you'd kind of wonder why
the war took four hundred years if you were only
aware of this perspective. Yeah, the idea is that sort
(25:37):
of these peaceful eloy were just relaxing eating their grass
stew and the Whites, who are apparently very slow walkers to
judge from the pace of the conflict, came from nowhere
and started massacring them. And no, the reality you hit
on a very important point, which is that modern dorm
room morality has only existed I think we both said
for a couple of decades. So prior to nineteen fifty
(26:00):
four would be a good year here as I understand,
that was the year the last of the Geneva Conventions
was ratified. So if you capture other fighting men, you
can't rape them, brand them, torture them, march through the
downtown of your city. That was the year we desegregated
in the USA. So if you have warring ethnic groups.
You can't keep them separate in different halves of the
town divided by a stone fence. You know, women, you know,
(26:22):
they could vote by that point, but marital rate was
still legal. So I mean, maybe at that point we
were starting to get close to modern ethics. But prior
to that point, I mean, the traditions that had existed
through all of human history were still there. One of
them was razia, or border breaking. So if you lived
next to another group of people who had some fighters
amongst them, your young men would raid over the border
(26:45):
and take their horses and cattle and sheep and young girls,
and they would come back and do the same crap
to you. And that's what the whites and natives did
to each other all the time. The natives were worse
about it. So when you say, well all the treaties
were broken, a military scale raid breaks a treaty if
you've ever taken a military science class or anything like that. So,
I mean, when it wasn't just that the whites for
(27:06):
no reason broke the treaties with the natives, the treaties
between and say the Scots, Irish settlers and the Sioux
or something like that, we're usually broken within a month
of being signed by both sides, and after a hundred
breakings of the treaty by both sides, eventually there'd be
a big battle, and you know, the Pony soldiers would
have to come in and settle them down.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
This is again part the part of this that that
never gets talked about is that you did there. And
there's plenty of documentation of this. I keep speaking about
it from the Commanchee side, but it's also like I said,
Apache and Kiowa and others, where they would basically have
to say, look, we're gonna try to tell meaning that
the elders, you know, the chief, if you will, we'll say,
(27:50):
we're gonna try to tell everybody we're gonna honor this.
But some of my young guys are just gonna want
some scalps, and they're gonna want to raid. They're gonna
steal your stuff, and they're gonna rape some of your women,
and I can't stop them. I mean, And that was
actually what was happening over and and if you're living
on the Texan frontier, you don't care that the Comanche
command structure isn't refined enough that all you know is
(28:13):
that a bunch of guys painted with the fat black
paint on their face and the you know, animal head
dress and everything else. They just killed everybody that you
know and love. That's all you know, right, I mean,
all you know is what happens. You don't really care
about the failed negotiation. That so anyway, the America, you know,
there's some great fahren Bach is the guy that I
liked the most on this for anybody who's curious about
(28:35):
some of them, more honest, and he doesn't you know,
he doesn't hold back on what the white settlers did.
All white settlers would go in, they'd kill every man,
woman and child too. But this was always a it
was always a tit for tat. It was always a
back and forth, and usually, at least in the case
of the Commancheria, you can point to the commanche starting
(28:55):
what then resulted in a big counter strike. But anyway,
the book is sounding really cool. By the way, I
have to get a copy of it, and I want
to ask you one more question about the book here
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Speaker 1 (29:56):
What's one more? Because this is fun? I think I
think I'll go with number one. Actually, which is one
of the big lies, is that true historical slavery was
unique to white people in the West, and that's almost
the verse of the truth. So this is one of
those things where I actually looked at kind of the
deep historical record. I didn't just want to talk about
(30:17):
the Arabs or whatnot. I was interested in when slavery began,
and slavery began basically when some historical king a lot
of people say this was Sargon the Great, decided to
do something with battle captives other than just sacrificing them
to ball or eating them. So, I mean, those are
the options back in these premachinery, you know, low human
surplus societies. If you capture you might keep some of
(30:39):
the women around as quote unquote wives. But if you
defeat an army from the sea peoples or whatever, your
three options are to let them go to come fight
you again, massacre them in some ingenious way this is
what the Aztecs did, or make them work, make them
indentured servants or slaves or something that we now for
good reason find immoral. But put them in another section
(31:00):
of your dements and have them farm for a while,
and maybe let their descendants go. So when people started
doing that, you're talking about six seven thousand years ago.
A slave is one of the first human words. I
think I mentioned that earlier, but it's literally found in
Samerian canea form. It's as old as the word for sheep,
and it's actually interesting and a bit poignant because the
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word for slave just means defeated warrior. It's the word
for man from the mountain cities, but with a couple
additions to it, So man from the mountains who came
down here and lost. And from that point forward, I mean,
the Greeks had tons of slaves ten percent of the population.
The Romans had more slaves than that, sixteen percent of
the population. And Roman slavery was abusive in a way
(31:45):
that black slavery in the New World or white slavery
in Arabia did not come close to being. Obviously, slavery
not good, but I mean the Romans would literally, if
you lost a battle to them, take you and kill
your wife and then throw you in an arena to
fight elephants with a spear. I mean, there was a
level of the use of other humans for entertainment that
we haven't matched since, like the emperor would have a
(32:07):
thousand dancing girls living in his palace. But from that
you go through Arabic slavery. The Arabs gave the world
their terms for both slave slav which means white slave.
It comes from Southern European and black slave in fact
abide which comes from African. That was the largest slave
trade in history, perhaps six million whites, seventeen million blacks
(32:27):
taken out of Southern Europe taken out of Africa. The
Arabian trades largely forgotten. You've got the Atlantic slave trade
dominated by white European certainly can't forget that twelve million people.
But all this went on for all of time. If
you beat someone in a war, or if someone else
won a conflict like that, was willing to sell their
former enemies and their families. Those people are just on
(32:48):
the market. I think the thing that I note in
this chapter that's been almost forgotten is that the unique
contribution of the West was ending the global slave market.
So I mean, in the USA, we fought a massive war,
of the deadliest war in American history, six hundred and
twenty thousand people were killed to end slavery in the country.
But that was just a small part of this general Western,
(33:09):
in fact Christian and driven movement against slavery. So the
British Navy sailed around the world blockading slave trading ports,
which is one of those great stories no one tells anymore.
I mean, the Brits formed an enclosure of ships around
the island of Zanzibars. At the time was a world
power and just sort of threatened to declare war unless
specifically the slaving portion of the operation there stopped, and eventually,
(33:31):
after a great deal of negotiations and the risk of
a serious conflict, it did. Brazil. By the eighteen eighties,
Latin America had declared that they were going to accommodate
the rest of the Americas and stop the slave markets.
So I mean the Western world led the way on this,
and where kind of the Western boot never really trod,
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slavery often still endures. I mean, if you're looking honestly
at sort of chattel serfdom in Saudi Arabia or India,
or if you're looking at what's just openly called slavery
and Mauritania today, I mean there's still I believe the
figure is fifty million slaves around the world right now. Again,
most of them are probably Blacks or Eastern Europeans. So
there's a weird disconnect between people talking about historical slavery
(34:14):
in America and saying, well, four hundred years ago, there
was a near race war in this country. Four hundred
years ago. My people were oppressed and brutalized in this country,
and the same people ignoring the fact that actual enslavement
is still going on today. And my honest opinion on
that would be that there's no money to be made
from actual enslavement going on today. If you're looking for
(34:35):
Ukrainian women broken into the porn industry or something like that,
and you're trying to free these people, that's going to
be something that's going to cost you money and time.
Where dangerous people are going to be hunting you. You're
not going to be able to squeeze cash and sympathy
out of a sort of caring modern society. So we
spend a lot of time on this kind of historiography
looking back at the bad things that we in our
(34:56):
society did. I guess one of the points of the
book is, without excusing us, everybody did these bad things,
some of which like fighting opponents in war or limiting
immigration aren't even bad. That's point one point two. We
stopped doing them, and they're still going on to a
great extent today. They're just ignored by Westerners when they
(35:18):
happen colonial ten points in a row. But like China
is engaging in colonialism now. They're buying large chunks of
land in Africa, in the Middle East and building things
like national railroads that they control, that they manipulate and
can sell back to those countries or take from those
nations whenever they want to. But there's no gain in
our contemporary politics of bringing up that sort of thing,
(35:41):
so it's not brought up.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm sold, by the way. I'm getting your book lies,
my liberal teacher told me.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I like to buy it, by the way, because I
like to support the author. So people send me free
books all the time. But I'm not that you've ad
That's all right, I'm actually going to buy a copy
right now on Amazon. Lies, my liberal teacher told me.
Wilfrid Riley. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Please let's talk again soon. Let's getch you on the
radio show too. Thanks for being with me.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, love to come on. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Thank you.
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