July 26, 2025 • 23 mins
Ex-officer Brett Hankison was sentenced to 33 months in prison in Breonna Taylor's death. Hankison was found guilty of one count of violating Taylor's civil rights after he shot into her apartment in March of 2020. His bullets did not hit anyone and he was responding to gunfire directed at his fellow officers. The DOJ recommended Hankison receive one day in prison. The third officer on duty that night, Louisville Sergeant John Mattingly, called into The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show to share his firsthand account of the raid and a side of the story you probably haven’t heard in the mainstream media.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Clay and Buck's Deep Dive podcast. Taking an
issue and going a little deeper so you can too.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Remember the Brionna Taylor case, which was a huge part
of the BLM narrative. A police officer rather who was
this just happened earlier today, was sentenced to thirty three
months in prison for violating the civil rights of Brianna Taylor.
Now did Trump DOJ the conviction had already happened. The
(00:29):
Trump DOJ had said to the judge, Hey, look this guy,
this is preposterous. Basically, this guy should get one day
in jail as basically time serf like let him out,
And the judge in the case decided to give him
a full three years. Basically just shy of three years
in federal prison. He didn't even shoot her. He shot
(00:50):
in response to a guy shooting at the cops. They said, police,
open up. I mean, I remember this Breonna Taylor case.
They thought the guy that and there's all this story
and all this evidence. You look at it that there
were packages being dropped off at the house. So this
wasn't like they just went into the wrong house. They
thought that she was The police believed that Breonna Taylor.
(01:11):
Her premises was being used for drug dealer. That was
what they got their warrant on. And so they knocked
at the door and the guy starts shooting through the
door at the cops.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yep, who did he really?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Who did he really think he was shooting at everybody?
He just thought, Oh, it was drug dealers that had
come to rob him. Really did the drug dealers say?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Police open up? But the guy who just got three
almost three years in federal prison, the Trump DJ wanted one.
They wouldn't even brought the case. But I believe the
conviction had already happened this guy. I think state charges,
by the way, Clay also were not brought up against
this guy. He shot through the window in response to
the gunfire at him. That's what this cop did. So
(01:50):
he returned fire and shot through a window to try
to hit the guy who was shooting, and did hit
one of his fellow police officers. And they charged him
with violating Brennan Taylor's civil rights.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah what is that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Anything?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He didn't shoot her, Just to be clear, he didn't
even hit her. So by shooting through the window in
response to somebody else who's trying to kill you and
your fellow officers. The Biden era, DOJ and this judge
now think you should go to prison for years. It's outrageous.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I agree. And they had multiple cases, they had mistrials,
they had a variety of different stories. They came out
for people out there who maybe just don't remember what
happened on that day. The Louisville police officer said they
announced themselves before entering the home were immediately met with gunfire.
(02:44):
According to the statement, Walker discharged his firearm first injuring
an officer. Walker claimed, this is the individual inside of
the home that he thought someone was entering the residents illegally.
N All said, somebody kicked in the door shot my girlfriend.
So all of this came out of it. And look
(03:07):
the upshot of it is it happened on March thirteenth,
twenty twenty, right in the midst of the BLM era beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, so they fed these they fed these cops to
the angry mob. Is what happened. We all see exactly
what happened here. This was just, oh my gosh, we're
having a racial reckoning. What can we do. The cops
were under fire and one of them was actually shot
and they returned fire. It was an accident that Breonna
Taylor was hit. They were not trying to shoot her.
(03:37):
But if somebody I spent a fair amount of time
with guns, a fair amount of time shooting. I tell
you this, Clay, somebody is shooting at me, I am
shooting back, and I'm a pretty good shot. But under fire,
nobody knows how I've never been shot at, and nobody
knows how good they are at dealing with that until
they have to. Your adrenaline dump goes through, you know,
puts your adrenale through the roof, and to charge though
(03:58):
with he was acquitted on stage charges. So he's acquitted,
this officer, and then they bring federal charges of deprivation
of rights, which is what they always do when they
want to get these cops, which is just this kind
of catch all for like you know, the racial reckoning
we need after George Floyd or whatever. He is a
mistrial on that one, and they bring it again. They
(04:18):
bring this again after a mistrial and an acquittal, so desperate,
you know why, because they worried that you know, they're
in the in the low income areas of Louisville, there
would be whole neighborhoods or you know, whole stor is
burned down and blocks burned down. If they didn't at
least put one cop away for this, that's just the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I think your point yesterday about the the amount of
camera is on police, basically we haven't had a BLM
incident since we have had cameras on police. Doesn't mean
that police are not going to do things wrong. Everybody
in their profession can screw up, but it's pretty evident
when a cop acts well outside the bounds of police authority,
(05:00):
and most people don't defend them. But most of the
time when you see these videos, you're like, yeah, the
cop had a reason to be defending himself for herself
in the manner in which they did.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast. Okay,
welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. You never
know what you may get on the program. From minutes
to a minute, we were just talking about the decision
made to give one of the police officers in Louisville, Kentucky,
a thirty three month prison sentence, despite the fact that
(05:31):
the Trump Department of Justice had suggested just one day
and we were walking through the Breonna Taylor information and
giving people more about that because it's been several years
and some of you may well have forgotten about what
took place there. Well, listening in Louisville, Kentucky was one
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of the officers involved in that raid. His name is
John Mattingly and he is with us now, and so
I want to bring him in and I'll just say,
first of all, thanks for listening, and broadly, just tell
us what happened on that day and what you think
about the thirty three month sentence that your former police
(06:15):
officer colleague got in that case.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And obviously thanks for listening. What can you tell us
about that day?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, Clayon Travis, I appreciate you guys having me on
and being willing to get it from you know, first
hand source, somebody who's kind of been through the fire
and all this thing. First off, let me start with
the decision. I think the judge when it was the
Biden DOJ did everything they asked for in the case.
In the trial, there were so many things that were
(06:43):
unprofessional by that DOJ. I've never set on a side
and felt like it was a defense attorney over there
with underhand tactics, lying she did not allow cell phones
to get entered into evidence or the ones that were
in evidence. She refused to let him at trial at
the end, when the jurors kept coming back going, man,
we got a hung jury. We got a hung jury.
(07:04):
And then they asked the question, should we assume Rihanna
is dead or alive? She said, assumed she was dead
or alive, which totally negates the legal process and the
judge's influence on the jury, because in order for a
statute such as the civil rights violation, the person has
to be alive, and there were just so many things, man,
And I think the appeal was so strong and going
(07:26):
to go very quickly once the process starts, if this
DOJ even allows it, because I was sitting in the
courtroom and I saw two faces to the DOJ, the
one under Biden and the one under Trump. And the
one under Trump was so rational and logical, like any
human being would look at a process and go, this
is the way it should be. This makes sense when
(07:47):
you look at the facts of the case, and anything
outside of this scope is unreasonable. And so I'm so
happy that Trump's back in. I think if once this
word gets out on how this DJ is actually treating
police officer now, not as some kind of wicked racist,
you know, hateful people, as opposed to people who are
risking their lives simply trying to get central off the street,
(08:10):
trying to get murderers off the street, because every time
an action was taken. I've talked to thousands of cops
across the country. When I speak and over and over,
the sentiment I get from them is simply, we're scared
to do our job anything we do. You know, you've
got to worry about the bad guy in front of
you shooting you're hurting you. But more importantly, you got
to worry about the government behind your stabbing you in
(08:30):
the back.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So you you, sir, you were incos you you were
at that raid. You were shot in the leg?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Correct, Yes, it ripped through my frimeral artery. Thank God
for a tournique, or I wouldn't even be talking to you.
So I had a five and a half hour surgery,
replaced four inches of the U the artery with the vein.
And yeah, and that's the part that gets missed over.
You know, you talk about the active aggressor in this
case was Kenneth Walker her boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, Well, see the storyline, the storyline.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Us through that day. Just tell us what happened through
the raid, what happened at the raid. A lot of
people don't know that story, so just take us there,
tell us.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, yeah, let me tell about a couple of the
falsehoods that the ben Crumps of the world put out,
And that was simply him and Kamala Harris and Lebron
James and all these fools in Hollywood and the sports
world were like, he said, we had the wrong house,
which is a lie. He said she was asleep in bed,
which is a lie. They said it was a no
knock warrant, which was a lie, and that the boyfriend
(09:33):
that we were quote looking for had been in custody
for ten hours, which was a lie. So when we
get up to the door a first knock, a normal knock,
nobody came to the door. So we started banging, I
mean the loud everybody knows the police knock, especially in
that world. Banging, banging, banging, screaming, police search warrant, police
search warring. And this went on for a minute, which
when you're at a door that feels like an eternity.
(09:55):
I mean, we're just banging. A neighbor came out. We
got into an interaction with them. They back inside, and
after a minute of them not coming to the door
and us knocking and announcing, we breached the door. And
as soon as that door was breached and I stepped
into the doorframe, I was met with a shot from
Kenneth Walker that ripped through my leg. I was able
to return a few shots before I got out of
(10:17):
the line of fire, and that's when the guy behind
me stepped up and began shooting as I went out. Well,
Brett was the third one in the stack, and this
is the whole premise of this case. They get smiths understood.
And I had questions at first too, because we're not
trained to shoot through windows. That's not how we're trained. However,
there's always exigent circumstances to things. And when Brett was
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at the door with me, he was the third one
in the stack. He saw the shot, heard it, saw
me go down and say I was shot. He circled
around the front of the building as these shots were
ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door.
He could see the flashes through the window, and in
his mind he thought we were still getting fired upon
by the individual inside. We were told when we went
(11:01):
to this warrant, by the brief by the investigators that
did the case, that it was just going to be
Bona at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends,
no weapons. So in our minds, that's what we were
expecting because we thought they did a thorough investigation, which
comes to find out they didn't. So once we're met
with fire and all this gunfire is getting exchanged, Brett
(11:22):
circles around to the front and sees these flashes of
the flame in the dark of the night in this house,
and he's like, man, my guys are getting executed at
the doorway because he knew I'd already been shot, was down.
So he started firing through the windows in an attempt
only to stop the threat, only to get that guy
to quit shooting, because in his mind, what he perceived
in that moment, in those few seconds, and this thing
(11:45):
was quick. I mean it was starting over within twelve seconds.
It was completely silent after twelve seconds. And so that's
the premise of the case. That's where how they.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Go, Well, this is important. I'm glad you shared all
that with us, because I think a lot of people
out there listening right now are probably reacting as many
other jurors have, which is, you got shot by someone
inside of this apartment. How in the world is a
police officer returning fire at what he thinks is someone
(12:15):
trying to kill his fellow officers guilty of a crime
that would necessitate him being in prison for three years.
That seems crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And deprivation of civil rights specifically, which try to square
that circle.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, it doesn't even meet the standards of that number one.
But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for
returning fire after being fired upon that hit and no one
He's the only officer in American history has been charged
with that and not.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well look, I mean, I think the good news is that, uh, well,
we can share our opinions here freely. We don't have
to pretend to be uh sitting on the fence on
these kinds of things. I think President Trump should commuter
part in this. You know, Brett Hankinson immediately, and I
know that there are people who live to this show,
who are close to the president, who are right now
in the White House so I think President Trump, and
(13:06):
I'll share this publicly, should at least step in with
a commutation of this clay. I mean I would, I
would say an outright pardon the notion that this officer
might serve or that could even theoretically sir, before appeal,
almost three years in prison for shooting a gun when
someone's been shooting at officers and he didn't even hit anybody.
It's just, it's just it's it's a case that is,
but it's so instructive about how vile the Biden administration
(13:29):
was when it came to throwing law enforcement under the bus.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Let me ask you this, sergent maddingly, who hit I
don't even remember who hit Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
One of my bullets hit I believe her left leg
because as soon as Kenneth's shot, he dove into a
bedroom because he was right on a wall and she
was she was on the outside of me. Number one,
why do you bring your girlfriend out in the hall
if you really think you're getting broken into to staying
with you. So as soon as he shot, he dove
out of the way like a coward. She attempted to
following one of my bullets struck her armor leg I
(13:59):
can't remember which one. And then the other officer who
was firing over top of me once I went down,
actually struck her and and tragically, you know, nobody wanted
her to die, but tragically, one of the bullets struck
her a order, and the medical examiner said, had she
been shot at the door of the emergency room, she
would not have lived. She died that quickly because it
(14:22):
ripped through her order and she bled out. So the
premise that that we did not render aid, which is
what the judge said, blew my mind. And I'm like
number one. Kennis Walker didn't even call nine one one
for six and a half minutes after this incident happened.
He refused to come out into almost seventeen minutes after
this incident happened. He had no blood on him, and
when he came out, he actually told the police unseen
(14:45):
on bodycam, that Brianna is the one that shot because
she was scared.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So this dude, I forget, do have a criminal He lied?
He lied about who fired the shot on body camera.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yes, yes, I've got that video.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, did he have a previous criminal record. I'm trying
to remember all the facts.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Of the case, he had been arrested one time with
a gun in marijuana, and originally he lost his rights
to a weapon. They amended it down to a misdemeanor,
like all these courts do for the thugs, and then
he got his rights back for the gun. However, in
his text threat on the film they did download from him,
he's on there dealing drugs to people. He's talked about
(15:24):
home invasions. So this guy was not this saint that
they put out.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
How many people do you think, No, I appreciate you
calling in. I mean, obviously we didn't schedule this. You
heard us talking about it. You're on I'm assuming in
Louisville listening to us there. We have a big audience.
How many people do you think know the full story here?
Because I think Buck's right, President Trump should commute your
fellow officer. This thirty three month sentence is crazy for
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what he was charged with. The initial by the way,
warrant for people out there who don't know, you were
told that she was there by herself. Well, what was
the intent of the warrant? What were you going to
try to do?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well? This was going to be a rico case on
this JaMarcus Clover, who had just been a menace. He
had six or seven pending felony cases in circuit court
for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff she was.
This is what tied him to her apartment that everybody
asked about. His ID had her address, his vehicles were
(16:23):
registered to her address, his phone came back to her address,
his bank account had her address. In January, two months
prior to this incident, he was arrested on a warrant
for drugs and guns, on a search warrant where they
got seven guns and a bunch of dope. And she's
the one that bailed him out. And when she was
there to bail him out, she gave her addresses his
and gave her phone number as his. So everything tied
(16:44):
back to her on jail records, it's her talking. It's
got him talking about Brionna held all of our money
because his baby mama was ticked off. At fourteen thousand,
his was at her house and he said, well, maybe
she holds all of our money. And so she was
tied into this. And in twenty seventeen, she rented a
car that a person was murdered in and they found
(17:04):
the vehicle with this dude shot in the head, and
when they asked her about it, she was like, I
don't know what happened to the car, Give it to
JaMarcus Clover and nothing was ever done with that. She
was not an EMT and I'm not bashing her, but
all the media lot about all this stuff. She was
not an EMT. She got fired in twenty seventeen after
only five months of being on the job, wasn't even
off probation, and the city did a no rehire clause,
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which is rare in most instances. So there was some
pretty serious stuff tied to that. And so this whole
case of y'all shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well,
she was part of this organization. She may not have
been the one physically slinging the drugs, but she was
out there. She was deeply involved this span.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So we appreciate you calling us and filling in our
audience because this is great.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And you're doing a service by telling the people the
truth about this. And also, like I said, we've got senators,
we got people in and around Trump at the White
House who are going to be hearing this, and there's
absolutely no way that that officer should be serving a
day in prison for this. It's a total outrage of
the justice system.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Well, one of the travesties in this case, guys, is
that from the beginning our department refused to combat any
of the lies. They've never told the truth about it.
Our mayor at the time, super Little, did they fire you, No,
they couldn't violating law or violating pologies. I wanted to.
They demoted me down into the property room from my
(18:29):
narcotics post. And when that happened, and the only reason
they did is because I wrote a book and start
talking about it is to tell the truth. And they were
trying to do anything they could to fire me. And
I saw the writing on the wall, and I wanted
my pension because that was the only way I was
going to be able to feed my family. So I
retired on on accord because they were trying to push
me out. And I wrote a book, Twelve Seconds in
(18:50):
the Dark, and you get it on my website. And
the only reason I wrote that wasn't for fame or notoriety,
but because no one was telling the truth. Everybody had
all these misconceps mentions of the case, and I was frustrated,
and so we put that out there and word has
spread some. But when you're, let's face it, I'm a nobody.
You guys didn't know who I was except for what
(19:10):
you saw on the media, so nobody like me, it's
hard to get the word out. It's hard to push
this agenda when all the factors are against you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
John Maattingley dot com is his site officer Mattingly. Thank
you so much for shedding some very important light on
this case. And we're going to stay on it and
a lot more people know about it now than did
just a couple hours ago, So thank you well.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I appreciate it. Thank you guys for being the arbiter
of truth.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (20:03):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast. A
lot of feedback rolling in.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Jim, a former cop, says, look, I'm a retired lieutenant
colonel in the US Marine Corps and a retired law
enforcement officer. You're both absolutely on target with championing the
law enforcement side on shootings. And my twenty and a
half years as a cop, I never knew a fellow
cop woke up in the morning wanted to hurt someone.
Bravolo Zulu, Jim.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
A lot of people Clay there, you know, we never
get you never hear anyone who's in the in the
blm anti cop side point this out when a cop.
We said this yesterday, when a cop to something bad.
I mean, there was that case. I think, well, there's
the there's the case with Daniel Shaver in Arizona. He
was a white guy though, who got shot, so no
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one really paid attention to it. But that was a
horrible case on video. And and then there's a there
was a case where the guy was running away I
forget his name, but he was running away from the
officer shot and there was just universal revulsion and condemnation
at what the cop did. It's not like, it's not
like the people who stand up for cops stand up
(21:11):
for cops when they do bad things. We just stand
up for cops as a general premise because ninety nine
percent of the time they're doing the right.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Thing, that's right. And I also thought at Sergeant Mattingly,
and again it's going to be up on the YouTube channel.
You can go listen to it on the podcast top
of the last hour. This is also really important. These
guys are very often not allowed to tell their side
of the story. The other side of the story gets
told widely, and it is taken without a grain of salt,
(21:39):
very often by the media that propagates all of that
side of the story. The other side, for instance, Louisville
police side, they say, hey, there's an ongoing investigation. You
aren't allowed to say anything. Stay quiet, allow this process
to play itself out. Meanwhile, the other side is completely
telling their story to anyone that will and by the
(22:01):
time the swing back comes and you find out a
fuller picture of what actually happened on that day, a
lot of people have already made up their minds. And
I think it's a sign that, frankly, police departments need
to do a better job of protecting their officers in
a culture and a world where most people are guilty
before they're presumed innocent instead of vice versa.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck deep dive podcast.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Hey guys, Neil North, Carolina, I just wanted to comment
on the Breonna Taylor stuff. I'm really grateful that you
guys dove into that the way you did, and that
that officer called in to tell their side of the story,
because all I had ever heard was that it was
a no knock warrant and that they did not identify
themselves and they showed up to the wrong house with
(22:47):
the wrong address on the search warrant, so I had
no idea what the real facts were.
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issue and going a little deeper so you can too.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Remember the Brionna Taylor case, which was a huge part
of the BLM narrative. A police officer rather who was
this just happened earlier today, was sentenced to thirty three
months in prison for violating the civil rights of Brianna Taylor.
Now did Trump DOJ the conviction had already happened. The
(00:29):
Trump DOJ had said to the judge, Hey, look this guy,
this is preposterous. Basically, this guy should get one day
in jail as basically time serf like let him out,
And the judge in the case decided to give him
a full three years. Basically just shy of three years
in federal prison. He didn't even shoot her. He shot
(00:50):
in response to a guy shooting at the cops. They said, police,
open up. I mean, I remember this Breonna Taylor case.
They thought the guy that and there's all this story
and all this evidence. You look at it that there
were packages being dropped off at the house. So this
wasn't like they just went into the wrong house. They
thought that she was The police believed that Breonna Taylor.
(01:11):
Her premises was being used for drug dealer. That was
what they got their warrant on. And so they knocked
at the door and the guy starts shooting through the
door at the cops.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yep, who did he really?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Who did he really think he was shooting at everybody?
He just thought, Oh, it was drug dealers that had
come to rob him. Really did the drug dealers say?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Police open up? But the guy who just got three
almost three years in federal prison, the Trump DJ wanted one.
They wouldn't even brought the case. But I believe the
conviction had already happened this guy. I think state charges,
by the way, Clay also were not brought up against
this guy. He shot through the window in response to
the gunfire at him. That's what this cop did. So
(01:50):
he returned fire and shot through a window to try
to hit the guy who was shooting, and did hit
one of his fellow police officers. And they charged him
with violating Brennan Taylor's civil rights.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah what is that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Anything?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
He didn't shoot her, Just to be clear, he didn't
even hit her. So by shooting through the window in
response to somebody else who's trying to kill you and
your fellow officers. The Biden era, DOJ and this judge
now think you should go to prison for years. It's outrageous.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I agree. And they had multiple cases, they had mistrials,
they had a variety of different stories. They came out
for people out there who maybe just don't remember what
happened on that day. The Louisville police officer said they
announced themselves before entering the home were immediately met with gunfire.
(02:44):
According to the statement, Walker discharged his firearm first injuring
an officer. Walker claimed, this is the individual inside of
the home that he thought someone was entering the residents illegally.
N All said, somebody kicked in the door shot my girlfriend.
So all of this came out of it. And look
(03:07):
the upshot of it is it happened on March thirteenth,
twenty twenty, right in the midst of the BLM era beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, so they fed these they fed these cops to
the angry mob. Is what happened. We all see exactly
what happened here. This was just, oh my gosh, we're
having a racial reckoning. What can we do. The cops
were under fire and one of them was actually shot
and they returned fire. It was an accident that Breonna
Taylor was hit. They were not trying to shoot her.
(03:37):
But if somebody I spent a fair amount of time
with guns, a fair amount of time shooting. I tell
you this, Clay, somebody is shooting at me, I am
shooting back, and I'm a pretty good shot. But under fire,
nobody knows how I've never been shot at, and nobody
knows how good they are at dealing with that until
they have to. Your adrenaline dump goes through, you know,
puts your adrenale through the roof, and to charge though
(03:58):
with he was acquitted on stage charges. So he's acquitted,
this officer, and then they bring federal charges of deprivation
of rights, which is what they always do when they
want to get these cops, which is just this kind
of catch all for like you know, the racial reckoning
we need after George Floyd or whatever. He is a
mistrial on that one, and they bring it again. They
(04:18):
bring this again after a mistrial and an acquittal, so desperate,
you know why, because they worried that you know, they're
in the in the low income areas of Louisville, there
would be whole neighborhoods or you know, whole stor is
burned down and blocks burned down. If they didn't at
least put one cop away for this, that's just the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I think your point yesterday about the the amount of
camera is on police, basically we haven't had a BLM
incident since we have had cameras on police. Doesn't mean
that police are not going to do things wrong. Everybody
in their profession can screw up, but it's pretty evident
when a cop acts well outside the bounds of police authority,
(05:00):
and most people don't defend them. But most of the
time when you see these videos, you're like, yeah, the
cop had a reason to be defending himself for herself
in the manner in which they did.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast. Okay,
welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. You never
know what you may get on the program. From minutes
to a minute, we were just talking about the decision
made to give one of the police officers in Louisville, Kentucky,
a thirty three month prison sentence, despite the fact that
(05:31):
the Trump Department of Justice had suggested just one day
and we were walking through the Breonna Taylor information and
giving people more about that because it's been several years
and some of you may well have forgotten about what
took place there. Well, listening in Louisville, Kentucky was one
(05:51):
of the officers involved in that raid. His name is
John Mattingly and he is with us now, and so
I want to bring him in and I'll just say,
first of all, thanks for listening, and broadly, just tell
us what happened on that day and what you think
about the thirty three month sentence that your former police
(06:15):
officer colleague got in that case.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And obviously thanks for listening. What can you tell us
about that day?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yeah, Clayon Travis, I appreciate you guys having me on
and being willing to get it from you know, first
hand source, somebody who's kind of been through the fire
and all this thing. First off, let me start with
the decision. I think the judge when it was the
Biden DOJ did everything they asked for in the case.
In the trial, there were so many things that were
(06:43):
unprofessional by that DOJ. I've never set on a side
and felt like it was a defense attorney over there
with underhand tactics, lying she did not allow cell phones
to get entered into evidence or the ones that were
in evidence. She refused to let him at trial at
the end, when the jurors kept coming back going, man,
we got a hung jury. We got a hung jury.
(07:04):
And then they asked the question, should we assume Rihanna
is dead or alive? She said, assumed she was dead
or alive, which totally negates the legal process and the
judge's influence on the jury, because in order for a
statute such as the civil rights violation, the person has
to be alive, and there were just so many things, man,
And I think the appeal was so strong and going
(07:26):
to go very quickly once the process starts, if this
DOJ even allows it, because I was sitting in the
courtroom and I saw two faces to the DOJ, the
one under Biden and the one under Trump. And the
one under Trump was so rational and logical, like any
human being would look at a process and go, this
is the way it should be. This makes sense when
(07:47):
you look at the facts of the case, and anything
outside of this scope is unreasonable. And so I'm so
happy that Trump's back in. I think if once this
word gets out on how this DJ is actually treating
police officer now, not as some kind of wicked racist,
you know, hateful people, as opposed to people who are
risking their lives simply trying to get central off the street,
(08:10):
trying to get murderers off the street, because every time
an action was taken. I've talked to thousands of cops
across the country. When I speak and over and over,
the sentiment I get from them is simply, we're scared
to do our job anything we do. You know, you've
got to worry about the bad guy in front of
you shooting you're hurting you. But more importantly, you got
to worry about the government behind your stabbing you in
(08:30):
the back.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So you you, sir, you were incos you you were
at that raid. You were shot in the leg?
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Correct, Yes, it ripped through my frimeral artery. Thank God
for a tournique, or I wouldn't even be talking to you.
So I had a five and a half hour surgery,
replaced four inches of the U the artery with the vein.
And yeah, and that's the part that gets missed over.
You know, you talk about the active aggressor in this
case was Kenneth Walker her boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Right, Well, see the storyline, the storyline.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Us through that day. Just tell us what happened through
the raid, what happened at the raid. A lot of
people don't know that story, so just take us there,
tell us.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, yeah, let me tell about a couple of the
falsehoods that the ben Crumps of the world put out,
And that was simply him and Kamala Harris and Lebron
James and all these fools in Hollywood and the sports
world were like, he said, we had the wrong house,
which is a lie. He said she was asleep in bed,
which is a lie. They said it was a no
knock warrant, which was a lie, and that the boyfriend
(09:33):
that we were quote looking for had been in custody
for ten hours, which was a lie. So when we
get up to the door a first knock, a normal knock,
nobody came to the door. So we started banging, I
mean the loud everybody knows the police knock, especially in
that world. Banging, banging, banging, screaming, police search warrant, police
search warring. And this went on for a minute, which
when you're at a door that feels like an eternity.
(09:55):
I mean, we're just banging. A neighbor came out. We
got into an interaction with them. They back inside, and
after a minute of them not coming to the door
and us knocking and announcing, we breached the door. And
as soon as that door was breached and I stepped
into the doorframe, I was met with a shot from
Kenneth Walker that ripped through my leg. I was able
to return a few shots before I got out of
(10:17):
the line of fire, and that's when the guy behind
me stepped up and began shooting as I went out. Well,
Brett was the third one in the stack, and this
is the whole premise of this case. They get smiths understood.
And I had questions at first too, because we're not
trained to shoot through windows. That's not how we're trained. However,
there's always exigent circumstances to things. And when Brett was
(10:39):
at the door with me, he was the third one
in the stack. He saw the shot, heard it, saw
me go down and say I was shot. He circled
around the front of the building as these shots were
ringing out repeatedly by the other officer at the door.
He could see the flashes through the window, and in
his mind he thought we were still getting fired upon
by the individual inside. We were told when we went
(11:01):
to this warrant, by the brief by the investigators that
did the case, that it was just going to be
Bona at home. She's alone, no dogs, no kids, no boyfriends,
no weapons. So in our minds, that's what we were
expecting because we thought they did a thorough investigation, which
comes to find out they didn't. So once we're met
with fire and all this gunfire is getting exchanged, Brett
(11:22):
circles around to the front and sees these flashes of
the flame in the dark of the night in this house,
and he's like, man, my guys are getting executed at
the doorway because he knew I'd already been shot, was down.
So he started firing through the windows in an attempt
only to stop the threat, only to get that guy
to quit shooting, because in his mind, what he perceived
in that moment, in those few seconds, and this thing
(11:45):
was quick. I mean it was starting over within twelve seconds.
It was completely silent after twelve seconds. And so that's
the premise of the case. That's where how they.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Go, Well, this is important. I'm glad you shared all
that with us, because I think a lot of people
out there listening right now are probably reacting as many
other jurors have, which is, you got shot by someone
inside of this apartment. How in the world is a
police officer returning fire at what he thinks is someone
(12:15):
trying to kill his fellow officers guilty of a crime
that would necessitate him being in prison for three years.
That seems crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And deprivation of civil rights specifically, which try to square
that circle.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, it doesn't even meet the standards of that number one.
But secondly, Brett is the only officer ever charged for
returning fire after being fired upon that hit and no one
He's the only officer in American history has been charged
with that and not.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well look, I mean, I think the good news is that, uh, well,
we can share our opinions here freely. We don't have
to pretend to be uh sitting on the fence on
these kinds of things. I think President Trump should commuter
part in this. You know, Brett Hankinson immediately, and I
know that there are people who live to this show,
who are close to the president, who are right now
in the White House so I think President Trump, and
(13:06):
I'll share this publicly, should at least step in with
a commutation of this clay. I mean I would, I
would say an outright pardon the notion that this officer
might serve or that could even theoretically sir, before appeal,
almost three years in prison for shooting a gun when
someone's been shooting at officers and he didn't even hit anybody.
It's just, it's just it's it's a case that is,
but it's so instructive about how vile the Biden administration
(13:29):
was when it came to throwing law enforcement under the bus.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Let me ask you this, sergent maddingly, who hit I
don't even remember who hit Breonna Taylor.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
One of my bullets hit I believe her left leg
because as soon as Kenneth's shot, he dove into a
bedroom because he was right on a wall and she
was she was on the outside of me. Number one,
why do you bring your girlfriend out in the hall
if you really think you're getting broken into to staying
with you. So as soon as he shot, he dove
out of the way like a coward. She attempted to
following one of my bullets struck her armor leg I
(13:59):
can't remember which one. And then the other officer who
was firing over top of me once I went down,
actually struck her and and tragically, you know, nobody wanted
her to die, but tragically, one of the bullets struck
her a order, and the medical examiner said, had she
been shot at the door of the emergency room, she
would not have lived. She died that quickly because it
(14:22):
ripped through her order and she bled out. So the
premise that that we did not render aid, which is
what the judge said, blew my mind. And I'm like
number one. Kennis Walker didn't even call nine one one
for six and a half minutes after this incident happened.
He refused to come out into almost seventeen minutes after
this incident happened. He had no blood on him, and
when he came out, he actually told the police unseen
(14:45):
on bodycam, that Brianna is the one that shot because
she was scared.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
So this dude, I forget, do have a criminal He lied?
He lied about who fired the shot on body camera.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yes, yes, I've got that video.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yes, did he have a previous criminal record. I'm trying
to remember all the facts.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Of the case, he had been arrested one time with
a gun in marijuana, and originally he lost his rights
to a weapon. They amended it down to a misdemeanor,
like all these courts do for the thugs, and then
he got his rights back for the gun. However, in
his text threat on the film they did download from him,
he's on there dealing drugs to people. He's talked about
(15:24):
home invasions. So this guy was not this saint that
they put out.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
How many people do you think, No, I appreciate you
calling in. I mean, obviously we didn't schedule this. You
heard us talking about it. You're on I'm assuming in
Louisville listening to us there. We have a big audience.
How many people do you think know the full story here?
Because I think Buck's right, President Trump should commute your
fellow officer. This thirty three month sentence is crazy for
(15:50):
what he was charged with. The initial by the way,
warrant for people out there who don't know, you were
told that she was there by herself. Well, what was
the intent of the warrant? What were you going to
try to do?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well? This was going to be a rico case on
this JaMarcus Clover, who had just been a menace. He
had six or seven pending felony cases in circuit court
for guns and drugs, fentanyl, all this stuff she was.
This is what tied him to her apartment that everybody
asked about. His ID had her address, his vehicles were
(16:23):
registered to her address, his phone came back to her address,
his bank account had her address. In January, two months
prior to this incident, he was arrested on a warrant
for drugs and guns, on a search warrant where they
got seven guns and a bunch of dope. And she's
the one that bailed him out. And when she was
there to bail him out, she gave her addresses his
and gave her phone number as his. So everything tied
(16:44):
back to her on jail records, it's her talking. It's
got him talking about Brionna held all of our money
because his baby mama was ticked off. At fourteen thousand,
his was at her house and he said, well, maybe
she holds all of our money. And so she was
tied into this. And in twenty seventeen, she rented a
car that a person was murdered in and they found
(17:04):
the vehicle with this dude shot in the head, and
when they asked her about it, she was like, I
don't know what happened to the car, Give it to
JaMarcus Clover and nothing was ever done with that. She
was not an EMT and I'm not bashing her, but
all the media lot about all this stuff. She was
not an EMT. She got fired in twenty seventeen after
only five months of being on the job, wasn't even
off probation, and the city did a no rehire clause,
(17:27):
which is rare in most instances. So there was some
pretty serious stuff tied to that. And so this whole
case of y'all shouldn't have been there in the first place. Well,
she was part of this organization. She may not have
been the one physically slinging the drugs, but she was
out there. She was deeply involved this span.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
So we appreciate you calling us and filling in our
audience because this is great.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And you're doing a service by telling the people the
truth about this. And also, like I said, we've got senators,
we got people in and around Trump at the White
House who are going to be hearing this, and there's
absolutely no way that that officer should be serving a
day in prison for this. It's a total outrage of
the justice system.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Well, one of the travesties in this case, guys, is
that from the beginning our department refused to combat any
of the lies. They've never told the truth about it.
Our mayor at the time, super Little, did they fire you, No,
they couldn't violating law or violating pologies. I wanted to.
They demoted me down into the property room from my
(18:29):
narcotics post. And when that happened, and the only reason
they did is because I wrote a book and start
talking about it is to tell the truth. And they were
trying to do anything they could to fire me. And
I saw the writing on the wall, and I wanted
my pension because that was the only way I was
going to be able to feed my family. So I
retired on on accord because they were trying to push
me out. And I wrote a book, Twelve Seconds in
(18:50):
the Dark, and you get it on my website. And
the only reason I wrote that wasn't for fame or notoriety,
but because no one was telling the truth. Everybody had
all these misconceps mentions of the case, and I was frustrated,
and so we put that out there and word has
spread some. But when you're, let's face it, I'm a nobody.
You guys didn't know who I was except for what
(19:10):
you saw on the media, so nobody like me, it's
hard to get the word out. It's hard to push
this agenda when all the factors are against you.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
John Maattingley dot com is his site officer Mattingly. Thank
you so much for shedding some very important light on
this case. And we're going to stay on it and
a lot more people know about it now than did
just a couple hours ago, So thank you well.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I appreciate it. Thank you guys for being the arbiter
of truth.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1 (20:03):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast. A
lot of feedback rolling in.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Jim, a former cop, says, look, I'm a retired lieutenant
colonel in the US Marine Corps and a retired law
enforcement officer. You're both absolutely on target with championing the
law enforcement side on shootings. And my twenty and a
half years as a cop, I never knew a fellow
cop woke up in the morning wanted to hurt someone.
Bravolo Zulu, Jim.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
A lot of people Clay there, you know, we never
get you never hear anyone who's in the in the
blm anti cop side point this out when a cop.
We said this yesterday, when a cop to something bad.
I mean, there was that case. I think, well, there's
the there's the case with Daniel Shaver in Arizona. He
was a white guy though, who got shot, so no
(20:51):
one really paid attention to it. But that was a
horrible case on video. And and then there's a there
was a case where the guy was running away I
forget his name, but he was running away from the
officer shot and there was just universal revulsion and condemnation
at what the cop did. It's not like, it's not
like the people who stand up for cops stand up
(21:11):
for cops when they do bad things. We just stand
up for cops as a general premise because ninety nine
percent of the time they're doing the right.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Thing, that's right. And I also thought at Sergeant Mattingly,
and again it's going to be up on the YouTube channel.
You can go listen to it on the podcast top
of the last hour. This is also really important. These
guys are very often not allowed to tell their side
of the story. The other side of the story gets
told widely, and it is taken without a grain of salt,
(21:39):
very often by the media that propagates all of that
side of the story. The other side, for instance, Louisville
police side, they say, hey, there's an ongoing investigation. You
aren't allowed to say anything. Stay quiet, allow this process
to play itself out. Meanwhile, the other side is completely
telling their story to anyone that will and by the
(22:01):
time the swing back comes and you find out a
fuller picture of what actually happened on that day, a
lot of people have already made up their minds. And
I think it's a sign that, frankly, police departments need
to do a better job of protecting their officers in
a culture and a world where most people are guilty
before they're presumed innocent instead of vice versa.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck deep dive podcast.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Hey guys, Neil North, Carolina, I just wanted to comment
on the Breonna Taylor stuff. I'm really grateful that you
guys dove into that the way you did, and that
that officer called in to tell their side of the story,
because all I had ever heard was that it was
a no knock warrant and that they did not identify
themselves and they showed up to the wrong house with
(22:47):
the wrong address on the search warrant, so I had
no idea what the real facts were.
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