November 1, 2025 • 41 mins
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton explain why Democrat Socialist Zohran Mamdani’s plans are flawed and will hurt New York City residents. Free bus fare, rent freeze, government-run grocery stores and taxing the rich are not realistic policies. Republican Curtis Sliwa makes his case.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Clay and Bucks Deep Dive podcast, taking an
issue and going a little deeper so you can too.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
If we're picking the worst clip of Mamdani, that's a
tough one.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Though there are set definitely some that are now rising
to the top. This is a flashback to twenty twenty,
and you really see who these Democrats are in twenty
twenty talking about this across the board, because that's when
it was the They thought there was maximum political advantage
to showing you just how left winging and saying they are.
(00:37):
Here is Mamdanni back in twenty twenty about the lesson
that he learned from nine to eleven and his remembrance
of it played too.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I want to use this moment to speak to the
Muslims of New York City.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I want to speak to the memory of my aunt
who stopped taking the subway after September eleventh because she
did not feel safe in her Headjab Clay, that's the
three thousand people died.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
A war was.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Launched with a horrific terrorist attack against US, and Mamdanie's
concern is and I'm just gonna say this. People are
already pointing out that this doesn't seem like it even
adds up with whether his aunt was actually in New York,
whether she actually wore.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
A hit job.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But this guy will say anything but for nine to
eleven to be about your aunt creating this fear of
you know, this islamophobia thing. The truth of nine to
eleven and this, you know, talking to New Yorkers the
whole country, Americans were incredibly tolerant and decent toward Muslim
(01:45):
Americans after nine to eleven, in ninety nine point nine
percent of cases.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You you find me.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Another society where someone suffers a massive terrorists sneak attack
that kills thousands of people, that is responsible entirely by
one religious group with one ideology, and trust me, it
would not have gone the way that it went in
this country. So the American tolerance after nine to eleven
is actually a shiny example.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Of how decent and reasonable the American people are.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
In my opinion, I think that's all one hundred percent accurate.
I would also point out that claiming that someone is
opposed to you because of your identity is not actually
an argument for or against anything, And I think where
a lot of you come down on this issue why Black,
(02:37):
Asian Hispanic who are out there listening is make me
an argument that is a good, sound, well constructed argument.
You can't make an argument because it makes me uncomfortable.
Is a part of the reason why Democrat party brand
has collapsed. And so first of all, I think he's
probably lying. Okay, let's start with that second part twenty
(03:03):
four years ago when nine to eleven happened. Yeah, like
the actual victims when we're still cleaning up. This is
the great Norm MacDonald clip. If I remember correctly from.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Back in twenty Was it a tweet or yeah, like
it might have been both, but I always remember the tweet.
Just imagine if America got hit with a nuclear bomb
in one of our cities.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Just think of all the Islamophobia.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yes, and I mean the whole idea that the people
who are victims here are not the people that actually died,
but the people who, in some way were looked on
suspiciously after other people who embraced the same religion decided
to fly airplanes into three different iconic American structures I mean,
(03:55):
or two different American iconic structures. I mean, I guess again,
this is that actually goes into was the World Trade
Center one. You know, this is like one discreete event
or another. That's the lawyer in me going back. But
the discrete tear attacker too. I think you look at
at all of this and I just I watched that
(04:19):
rally Buck because I said, I want to make sure
that I'm not missing anything. The fourteen thousand people were
in a stadium setting, they had AOC they had mom Donnie,
and we got different clips from that, and I think
we should play it. But my big takeaway was, no,
I'm not missing anything here. This is a crazy person's
(04:41):
campaign that is taken over in New York City and.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He's according to the odds. I know Sleeve was gonna
pull it out. You tell me, fine, but according to
the odds, he's looking like the odds on favorite and
then some and I would say, what we're seeing, Clay.
And one of the reasons why nationally this is getting attention,
Why people int Texas and California and Missouri and everywhere
who are with us right now are at least observing
(05:07):
this race with some degree of interest, is this is
what left wing populism in America looks like.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I think they are beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To move away a little bit, and it's a temporary
tactical retreat. They have not repudiated, they have not given
up on what many of us now call race communism
at all, but they are going.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Back toward a more class warfare.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Communism really the original communism, and making this all about
rich have to pay more, government has to give me more.
And unfortunately very straightforward, everybody thinks that Santa Claus is
good when Santa Claus is giving them stuff, and that
there's no downside, and that only the rich people who
won't notice it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Are going to pay. These are all the usual lies.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But this is at the heart of this whole left
wing populist movement. I mean, here is at the Sunday
Bernie rally you had or sorry, mam Donnie rally, right,
but it's Bernie aoc mamdani.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I mean these right now are the three I.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Was going to stay shining lights, but what would be
a what's a I have to think of some other
These are the three commissars in chief of the American
Democrat comedy movement. And here they are listen to what
the crowd is channing.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Play cut four.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Let's try to.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
H I can hear you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, what a stirring speech from New York Governor Hochell there, Okay,
I can hear you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But just so you all know, that crowd is chanting
tax the rich, tax the rich.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know who's listening in New York City right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
High earners who are like, hey buck hows South Florida,
Hey Clay, they got some extra houses in Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'd leave.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I mean, I respect the fact that New York City
has been a great American town for hundreds of years.
If I were one of the people that is having
a great living and made a great living in New
York City, that you know they are going to come
for and they are going to tax you to excess.
(07:39):
There's lots of great American cities. Maybe in nineteen sixty
or nineteen eighty you felt like you had to stay
in New York City.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Trust me.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Nashville's awesome, Miami is awesome, Dallas pretty great, Houston pretty great,
no state income tax in any of those big cities.
You can get everything that you want in New York
except you can have a gun. Uh and you can
have zero percent state income tax. Well that's a pretty
good trade.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
A gun is in one.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
You can't even you can't even have a gun in
New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like no, I know, but I'm saying in these other
places you're not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You can have it in time, you can have an
entire arsenal, but you can have a gun. I mean,
there are lots of restricted rights in New York City.
And I think New York City is fine to visit,
and I know you still have a ton of family
there and sy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is awesome, and Mom Dottie's not going to single handedly
ruin the city forever, but he's going to make some
decisions that, unfortunately the New Yorkers are going to pay
a price.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
The best case scenario for Mom Donnie, best case scenario
if he wins, is that he's so incompetent because he's
never managed anything in his life. He's never had any
success in life prior to this moment. And you can
go back, you live through it, Buck, It's not a
surprise to me that the people who have been the
best mayors have tended to have a lot of experience
(09:05):
in management or business that has prepared them to be
able to take on the leviathan that is the New
York City government. So I think the best case scenario
is Mom Donnie is so incompetent that he is not
politically able to enact the agenda that he has run
to say that he will enact.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And speaking of that agenda, this has been recently released
by the Mam Donnie campaign. So my understanding is this
is not like deep OPO research that we're latching onto
here or something. Here is Mam Donni. I mean the
campaigns like look at mom Donnie, look at U gradies.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Here he is talking.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
About how when you get the problem on buses And
I have ridden on New York City buses many many times.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
My high school are sports teams used to have to
travel the games because we had a very limited budget.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It was a scholarship school. Travel on public buses.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
City buses. In your bus forms, you would just get
on with like your yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
We would get on with like fifteen of us or whatever,
and we would get on the city bus. I've been
on buses many, many, many times. Here is Mamdani. This
is cut three saying if we just make all the
buses free, some of the problems we see will get better.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Play it. You have a fair box on a bus.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It increases the sight, of tension, of conflict, of assaults
when you.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Reduce when you remove that farebox.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Rather, what you find is a safer experience, not just
for the riders but also for the operators. Clay, this
is like saying, hey, you know what the problem is.
And all these drug stores in New York that have
to have everything locked up, they expect to be paid
for this stuff. You don't what erase the conflict. Let's
just let them take whatever they want for free. Then
(10:49):
all of a sudden, there's no problem. This is lunacy
from this guy. Lunacy and what you really need to
have for people who don't pay the fare get a
big fine.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I have to do it again.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They get arrested, and if they assault the guy who's
actually driving the bus, they go to prison.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I have done public transportation a lot in my life
as well. I rode the public Nashville school bus, public
Nashville City bus when I was a kid from my school.
You know what people care about the most, safety and cleanliness.
Do you know what making all public transportation buses, in particular,
(11:26):
say free, is going to do decrease safety and increase
uh der that's going.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
To Maco City buses, mobile homeless shelters. Yes, that's what
this will become, which, by the way, already is the
case in the New York City subway system, where people
just jump the fair. But you know, if you jump
the fair in the subway, you know someone doesn't necessarily see.
If you jump the fair on the bus, everybody sees
and they know you haven't paid and you're on video. Right,
(11:54):
it's easier to jump the fare in the subway system,
but there are whole clay I have experienced this so
many times, Producer Ali, you can weigh in on this
either now or we come back from the break.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You'll be like, oh my gosh, this suboy's so crowded.
Play it's so crowded.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh man, look at this. There's an empty subway car
just for me. And you will go on that subway
car and it will smell worse than any smell you've
ever come across in your life, because it is being
used by homeless people who are deeply mentally ill as
a toilet.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, and I would also point out people say, well,
why do you care about people jumping the turnstiles? Everything else?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Relatively low level crime.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well, the percentage of times that people are jumping the turnstiles.
A lot of those guys have outstanding crimes, right, So
when you are arresting somebody who is jumping a turnstyle,
you oftentimes are going to find out that they have
a criminal history. On top of that, to say nothing
of the evidence supports that when you don't enforce the law,
(12:54):
you encourage more law breaking. And producer Alley rides subway
all the time. I haven't been on the subway in
a long time. I was trying to think of the
last time I was on the New York City subway.
I think it was when we were I had my
whole family at Buck, and my middle son, who was
obsessed with Ghostbusters, wanted to tour the city of New
York to see all the Ghostbuster places dressed as a ghostbuster,
(13:16):
which is kind of awesome, pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is a Clay in Buck Deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I do worry because some arguments are so dumb that
I don't understand how a major political party can make them.
And let me take a step back and say some
things you and I disagree with in policy perspectives. But
you can make a reasonable argument that you or I
(13:44):
or wrong, or that some of you out there right
or wrong. There's lots of reasonable minds can differ perspectives.
Freezing rent is actually the most destructive thing you could
do if you believe you have major issues with uh
with rent in the city. The thing I mean, this
is just basic economics. And I know a lot of
(14:06):
you get this, but maybe your kids don't, maybe your
grandkids don't, And you have to succinctly kind of explain
why this is a lunatic idea. Here is just a
simple argument. It's all supply and demand. Everything in life
is supply and demand. If you want rent to come down,
(14:27):
then you have to build more apartments and or kick
illegals that are using these apartments out. This is very basic.
It is the essence of economics itself. The only way
to drive down cost is to increase the supply of
(14:47):
a good by and large, and yet they are simultaneously
making it very hard to construct new housing and telling
the people who do own the house, we're going to
restrict what you can charge, which means the cost is
going to continue to go up for those who own
(15:08):
these rental properties, the maintenance costs are going to continue
to go up. Inflation is not stopping for them, which
means their profit margin is going to go down, which
means the quality of the rental property will either decline
or unfortunately, some of these properties will just be taken
off the market because the landlord will throw up their
(15:28):
hands and say, I'm losing money by renting this property out.
If they have the ability to do so, they'll just
pull it off the market, which will mean that rents
are continuing to increase overall because the supply is declining. What.
I don't even understand the argument that a rational human
being could make that freeze the rent is in any
(15:51):
way beneficial for people, even if you believe that rental
costs are too high. I mean, you lived in New
York City. I see what people have to pay for
homes in New York City to rent. Just we have
to build way more homes. I mean, I don't understand
how this is not the ultimate solution.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Okay, so there's a few things here for everyone I
think to consider. One is, and this was even higher
than I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you were to just.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Take ack a quick look at what the cost of
new multifamily is in this country nationwide on average, and
how much of that is taxes, regulations, fees, meaning not
just oh, I want to hire people and get stuff
(16:41):
to make a home, and you know by land, hire
a construction crew, have them make it and sell it,
but all the other things. Estimate that I just found
online just with a quick search clay is forty percent
forty percent of the cost. I tried to find a
specific New York City cost and all they can really
(17:03):
say is that it, whatever it is, it's higher than
forty percent.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And there are reasons for that. There are reasons for this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, one thing, by the way, in New York City,
building codes alone, building codes are eleven percent of the cost.
Inclusionary zoning mandates are seven percent of the cost. You know,
you go through these things to say, well, hold on
a second. And another one is again talking multifamily here, right,
(17:35):
because that's the only way you got to build up
in New York for it to be worth worthwhile in
New York City it's very hard. You know, you're not
building like a you know, on two acres, a single
family home unless you're going to sell it for twenty
million bucks. So they look at this, or rather you
look at this, and you find out that also the
fact that New York City labor costs are so high,
(17:55):
and that there's all these union mandates for labor, and
you have all these things, and these are the reasons
that there's not more housing supply, and the idea of
freezing rent makes it worse. Give you an example of this, everybody,
You could look at a lot of things that ruin
(18:16):
the economy. I mean, Venezuela is now a failed state.
Maybe it's going to get a new regime soon, it's
a failed state. It's a narco traffick or state. And
we don't even hear about the economy anymore one because
I think it's so hard to get real numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
But it's been completely destroyed.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
One of the primary ways that Chavez and then Maduro
destroyed the Venezuelan economy was price controls, because people who
are hurting and who don't have very much here, Hey,
these guys are going to use government force to say
that the cost of this washing machine isn't three hundred dollars,
(18:50):
it's one hundred dollars and that sounds great, right, Oh
my gosh, Now, my watch they mandate, and only the
fat catch are going to pay. You know what happens, Clay,
No one can buy a washing machine anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No one can.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Actually, they their shelves are empty. Right, This is what
is going on in the New York City housing market,
red large, and yet Mamdani is about to become mayor
thinking of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
As the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It is so destructive, it is so damaging, and it's
essentially a repudiation of the free market replaced with social justice.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's calming nonsense.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The Obama administration. Claire, remember Michelle Obamas Let's Move campaign.
There was along with that when she was first lady.
I'm taking you back a decade, folks. There was a
food desert, the whole food desert thing. You know, you
don't hear that term very much anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And the whole.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Premise of the food desert was low income people. They're
obviously not starving. Right to your point is it's not
that there's no food, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Have access to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Lean, lean cuts of steak and organic chalae and and
the thing. You know, these things that are generally considered
more kind of upper end income lifestyle food choices. So
they created this pilot program where not only did they
bring in Farmers Market produce into New York City. New
(20:20):
York Times had all these stories on this. The reason
there's a reason I'm gonna tell you why you don't
hear about this anymore farmers Market produce into all of
these different cities or all of these different stores rather
subsidized did clay.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
The government said we're.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Gonna make this army want you to make healthier choices,
so we're gonna make the healthier choices cheaper.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So they truck the food into these low income neighborhoods.
There's a whole pr campaign around letting people know, hey,
you can get all the archisanal wildflower honey you want now,
you know, telling everybody in low income neighborhoods of New
York and bring it to what's artificially cheaper. So now
(20:59):
it's not oh, I have to get like the off
brand potato chips, because now it's oh my gosh, I
can do you know how much they were able to
change the buying habits in these neighborhoods. Zero They were
not able to statistically in any way measure any change
in the buying habits of So unless you're going to
(21:19):
force feed low income people the quote healthy organic, blah blah,
all that stuff. They just want to eat what they
want to eat. Yeah, I think there's very important lessons
here about the free market and about economics and choice
and central planning. And you look at someone like mom Donnie.
He's saying, I want to set up government owned grocery stores.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They had those in the Soviet Union. It did not
work out well. Have them in Cuba now to get meat.
They have them in Cuba.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Every now and then you will see video of all
the people in Cuba lining up to try to go
into their government run stores. They're never anything on the shelves.
And this is again, this goes to a just complete
failure to understand basic business. If you were going to
go in business, a grocery store and many of you
(22:12):
out there have been involved in this in the past,
has one of the tiniest profit margins of any business.
It is a high volume, low profit based business. One
reason if you walk around and you look at grocery
store shelves that grocery stores themselves produce generic versions of
(22:33):
doritos or generic versions of soda is because that's much
higher profit margin than the brand name. So to speak
out there, and it is just it's akin to someone
saying as sometimes you will hear, oh, these gas stations
the price of gas, They're making so much money, and
(22:56):
you say, wait a minute, you realize gas stations make
almost no money on gas. Right, It is a lost
leader very often, as many of you who have run
gas stations know, the way that gas stations make profit
is typically off of the store. So when you walk
inside and you buy products, you buy a drink, or
you buy a lottery ticket, or you buy something in
(23:18):
a gas station, that's how the business is run. And
so when you have people like Mamdani and Buck, you
know this better than anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But one of the.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Toughest places to be bringing product into is New York
City because the streets are narrow like, the trucks are complicated.
The cost of bringing in all that product and trying
to deliver it to so many different stores. It is
one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard from a
politician that they're going to make groceries more affordable by
(23:47):
getting the government in the grocery business, and you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Have you have the green energy, you know, climate change
maniacs who have decided that we can't have any more
places to park, and we have fewer fewer lanes to
force people onto buses. And now we're gonna if mamdani wins,
gonna have buses with no fare, so they're just going
to be traveling homeless terminals that smell like urine, god
(24:10):
knows what else. And they do all this clay and
what happens, and this is again the cause and effect
reality of central planning by kami morons. People would be
staggered to know how many parking tickets are written every
day in Manhattan in particular, and how that actually becomes
a tax on all businesses because to get your deliveries,
(24:30):
all of your delivery guys for all of your restaurants
and all of your supermarkets and everything are constantly getting
tickets that go to the city of New York, and
so there's an addition that's just a tax because it
raises the cost of delivering food or raises the cost
of delivering goods and services. All of this made worse
by people in city hall in New York and by
the way, any Democrat city across the country that's following
(24:52):
the similar playbook, it's all made worse by their decisions
all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All they do is make things worse most of the time.
I mean, that's really what you see.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And Mamdani is certainly going to be somebody who falls
into that category.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
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Speaker 5 (25:11):
Also voters going to the polls in New Jersey, Virginia
and elsewhere. As we are continuing to break all that down,
we've been talking a lot about Mom, Donnie Cuomo and Sliwa,
and the Republican nominee for the New York City Mayor's
office is in with us now. He is Curtis Sliwa.
(25:33):
And Curtis, we appreciate you coming on the show, and
I know that you are running around like crazy talking everywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So I'm just going to start off. Let's just dive
right into it.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I have pledged if you win, so you know, to
wear a red beret for a week and open up
a bar tab at a sports bar not run by
communists in New York City. So I'm on the record there.
If you win, here's my concern. You can tell me
why I'm a moron. If you stay in this race,
I think on Wednesday we are going to wake up
(26:06):
and we are going to see that Mam Donni did
not get the majority of the vote, but that you
and Andrew Cuomo have split the anti Mam Donnie vote
and as a result, this awful Marxist, left wing lunatic
Mam Donnie is going to be the next mayor of
New York City. If that happens, will you feel responsible?
(26:29):
How would you respond to someone like me who thinks
that that's the most likely outcome if you stay in
the race.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well, let's go back to your initial statement. That's too
easy at a bartab in a Gin mail. How about
writing the number four Jane the muggers express with me
and your red beret fighting crime. Yeah, yeah, that's a
little more dangerous.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But on this right, I will join you on whatever
public transit you would like me to join you on.
If you are New York City's mayor in a red beret,
I will join you. So I'll I'll step it up
a notch but.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Remember, wait, is that Aget the reason there is a
Zorhan Mandami. He said, you had a failed mayor, Eric Adams,
the most corrupt in the history of New York City.
And that's saying a lot. Had he been a halfway
decent mayor, it would have been round two twenty twenty five,
as it was in twenty twenty one. Eric Adams in
coming Democrat running against Republican challenger Curtis Leewer. So Eric
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Adams failed Democrat, then into a Cuomo like a political zombie.
Came back from the Hamptons where he was hanging out
with his billionaire friends with forty points ahead on March
first when he announced he was running in the Democratic
primary to become the next mayor. Three and a half
months later, with zarn Mondami at one percent, when in
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who announced that forty percent, he got beat by thirteen
percent and admitted he ran an horrible race. He didn't
do retail politics. Well, guess what. Just recently The New
York Post published a story that said that Enton Clomo
has been absent from the campaign trail for ten days
since Labor Day. You don't win elections that way. I'm
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in the subways. I'm in the streets, I'm on the buses.
I'm meeting the people, the voters. I am the Republican populist,
blue collar, working class Kennedy. That's my pathway to victory.
Andrew Cmo is responsible for the rise of zo on
Mondami and the Democrats are responsible for the socialists taking
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over their party. So why would I even drop out?
And by the way, you can't drop out. I'm on
the ballot now, I'm not on the number two line
on the Republican canndy. There's no dropping out. I've never
intended to drop out. Billionaires tried to bribe me with
ten million dollars. Now I got to walk around with
armed guards along with my wife Nancy, because our lives
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have been threatened. You really think that courteously, with everything
I've been through in my life, is going to drop out.
Think of that last scene in Braveheart where mel Gibson
is on the gurney and the Insecutionna says, I want
you to bow to the King of England or I'm
gonna impale you. I'm saying impale me. I will never
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support angew Cuomo, the Prince of evil. He's cold, hearted.
He is the worst of what the Democratic Party represents.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Okay, So if I am right though, and Mam Donnie
wins because you and Cuomo split the anti Mam Donni vote,
is it your contention that Mam Donni is not gonna
be worse than Cuomo would be. And by the way,
Bucket not neither Buck nor I have any love loss
for Cuomo at all, and Bucks you've won Buck over
(29:38):
with your brave heart analogy there.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yes, but I'm gonna say that's that's all I needed
to hear. But go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But if if Mam Donnie is elected, do you not
think that he will be worse for New York City
than Cuomo? Or do you think they're both so awful
there's no distinction at all, no matter who would win it.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There, Well, the reason that we lock up twoth fast
and our criminals is the archit of no cash bail,
Andrew Cuomo and then his apprentice is Ohamandami. Guys, My
oldest son Anthony was nearly king killed and a gang
attack juveniles. They stomped him. He's lucky to have survived
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because of the architect of raised the age, Cuomo and
his supporter on that the apprentice or a Mandami. These
five juveniles who should have gone to criminal court and
been charged with adult crimes, went to family court and
were released on their own recognisance to their parents. And then, lastly,
Governor Cuomo when he was in charge ten years ago
(30:38):
before he fled impeachment to the Hamptons, he was the
architect of closing our prison Rykers Island. And his apprentice,
Johan Mandami, they both have led to the crime crisis
that we're in now. I see no differentiation. They are
birds of a feather, two peas in a pod. They're Democrats.
They have caused the destruction of New York State. They're
(30:59):
looking to destroy New York City. And again, Andrew Cuomo
has only himself to blame for Johan Mandami being the
Democratic nominee because he didn't run a race. So I'm
the Republican. I have Republican values completely different than my adversaries.
I believe this is a strange notion in America, isn't it?
Democracy should prevail. The billionaires aren't going to choose the mayor,
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or the influences or the inside is the people, one person,
one vote, Let the people choose the next Mayor. Cuomo
has already signaled that if he loses his are On Mondami,
he's fleeing to Florida. I stay, I fight for what
I know is right, improved. Don't move. If I happen
to lose his on, I will become his worst night mare.
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Twenty four seven, three six y five. I fight, fight, fight, fight.
Cuomo runs, runs, runs, runs.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So, now the other New Yorker here, Curtis, wants to
jump in. I wanted Clay to be able to get
out there because he's been he's been worried about the.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Ticket splitting issue.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I just want to throw out there that I think
blue Face paint a La Braveheart along with your red
beret would be a good look in these final days,
because that is a fantastic movie. And now to his point,
you have won me over with your fight to the
very end. But tell me this, how is it that
you could win? Is it that all the polls, if
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you win based on what the so called intelligentsia and
the political political class, pundits, et cetera, based on what
they've been saying, it would be the biggest upset.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean, certainly along the lines of Trump twenty sixteen
bigger than that based on the numbers.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
What do you say to those people who are.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Telling you you're a long shot, you're a no shot,
and you're just helping the other side, right, how do
you win?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
What's your pathway look like?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Last time I ran against Serry Adams, and remember I
did want everybody he would be corrupt and it would
be chaos. I was right about that. I got twenty
eight percent of the vote. So I build on the
twenty eight percent. I not only have can show the
Republican votes. There are two and a half times the
number of independents, and there are Republicans. I have that vote,
(33:07):
and I have a new line, independent line protect the animals,
first time ever in electoral history. My wife was able
to get the signatures to qualify it. It's the first
independent line on the ballot. Try to find Angel Cuomo
in the maze very difficult. And it calls for no
killed shelters and put animal abuses in jail. Let me
tell you something, there are a lot of women and
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men who are one issue voters out there when it
comes to animals. Mahatma Gandhi said, it's a society that
does not take care of its animals, does not take
care of its people. And look at us here in
New York City. We don't take care of our homeless,
our emotionally disturbed, our veterans. But Cuomo supported the seven
billion dollars that Eric Adams spent on illegal aliens, people
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we didn't even know. I want to take care of
our own. It's time we bring it home and care
for our homeless, are emotionally and most importantly, our veterans
who have been forshaken. You don't hear almost saying that,
and naturally you don't hear.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
The artist Curtis. I love the protect animals thing.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I love dogs as much as any human being I've
ever met, and other animals too, So I think that's fantastic.
But I want to ask you about this, the Mam
Donnie shape shifting situation here, or the code switching, the
changing it up on some of the stuff. For example,
now he's saying he would keep Jessica Tish, who I
(34:31):
actually worked with at the NYPD many years ago, keep
her in the commissioner role.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, is it just'll say anything to make people
not as scared of his communist nonsense as they should be.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
What's going on, Well.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
He's built the basio on steroids. Now remember he's more
dangerous because build the basio halfway through the night would
be on the Backboarch your Graycie mansion, smoking his Maui
Wowie and hindukush with his grip to wipe Charlette with
Zara Mondami. He would give twenty hours at day to
destroying the city. But Deblasio, when he was running in
twenty thirteen, said I will choose Bill Bratton as my
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police commissioner. That was his insurance policy. So he's following
in the footsteps of his mentor build de Blasio by
saying I will keep Jessica Tish. The question is if
you should win pull Jessica tis stay. I don't know.
I don't have conversations with her. I've got my boots
on the ground. I'm in the subways. I'm dealing with regular,
(35:29):
average day, working class people. I'll let the elites determine
that while I'm in the streets.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Curtis Lee will with us right now running Republican nominee
for mayor of New York City. You mentioned right off
the top that you've been offered ten million dollars to
drop out by billionaires.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
What do those offers look like?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
And will you tell us who's been offering for you
to be paid to drop out of the race.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah. Well, there were seven calls that I fielded from
people I grew up with that are not supporting me.
They're supporting Roma, which is fine, but they were calling
on his behalf for me to drop out. And the
last call, which my wife listened to, who is a
attorney Nancy, got to the point where I said no, no,
a thousand times no. And then he said, Curtis, everybody
(36:15):
has a price. Ten million dollars is a lot of
money to walk away from. I said, guy, you know me.
I was born with nothing. I'll die with nothing. Ashes
to ashes, dust that dust. This sounds to me unethical.
It's a bribe. He could be illegal. And from that
day forward, my wife said, look, you got to put
everybody on blast that if they're going to talk to
(36:37):
you about bribing you, you're going to be wired up
like a Christmas tree, which I am now and there've
been no call since now. The people who reached me
have family people, they have businesses, in the business of politics,
which you know is the dirtiest business of all. Just
asked the founder of UFC. He said the same thing,
(36:59):
that dirty his business. I give these guys a past.
They know not what they do. But anybody moving forward, Hey,
you're going to be prosecuted for obviously illegalities and for
what are corruptive practices.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Have you talked to Donald Trump? He has discussed your candidacy.
He's talked about the fact that sometimes he wishes you
would drop out because he's concerned about mom Donnie becoming
the mayor of New York City.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Have you talked to Trump?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
What have those conversations been like.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
No, I am not spoken to the president recently. For
forty years, I knew Donald Trump as a New Yorker.
We had a love hate relationship like most people had
with Donald Trump. I mean, you look at his vice president,
Jade Van's doing a great job. He called them hitler
in twenty sixteen, and now he's a vice president. So
I've been on the roller coaster with Donald Trump. Like
(37:48):
most people. He's not reached out to me. He's not
talked to me. He certainly has had conversations with Andrew
Cuomo and with Eric Adams, and the President is free
to do what he wishes. I wish he endorse me.
He hasn't, but I've always said he said publicly, mister President,
you're trying to get peace in the Middle East and
Persian Gulf that you're the only guy who can do that.
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You got to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. You're
the only guy who can do that. He's dealing with
Asia now and the Red Chinese menace. He's the only
guy who can deal with that comparably to those bigger issues.
Do you think weighing in on the mayoral race in
New York City is equal to those? I don't think so.
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And by the way, Zoraan Mandami loves it, because then
he plays David to Goliath. He doesn't want to run
against Andrew Cuomoa courtes leeway. He wants to run against
Donald Trump, who happens not to be very popular in
New York City. He isn't around the country, he is
in other parts of New York State. The benefit of
my running and winning a mayoral election as a Republican
(38:53):
is it's nineteen ninety three all over again. Rudy Giuliani won.
I am Rudy Juliani two point zero, and next year
we set it up the way it was in ninety
four when Pataki beat the better Cuomo Mario and we
had not only competence, no corruption, no chaos. Crime went
down with Rudy and with Pataki. You elect me the
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Republican mayor, and then we pull out all the stops
to elect congresswoman at least Stafonik the governor next year
Republican Kennedy, and we can return to the days of
Giuliani and Pataki and send Kathy Hokol packing back to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
All right, Curtis, real quick, we only have thirty seconds
before we get into heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Where can people go? We got a big wor audience.
I want to mobilize for you. What's the site? What
do they do?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Just go to sliwa for NYC dot com. That sliwa
fo r NYC dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Thanks guys, Hey, Curtis, thank you, bring home the w
and Clay's gonna wear that red beret.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'll wear one too, Actually, thank you so much.
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
If we're picking the worst clip of Mamdani, that's a
tough one.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Though there are set definitely some that are now rising
to the top. This is a flashback to twenty twenty,
and you really see who these Democrats are in twenty
twenty talking about this across the board, because that's when
it was the They thought there was maximum political advantage
to showing you just how left winging and saying they are.
(00:37):
Here is Mamdanni back in twenty twenty about the lesson
that he learned from nine to eleven and his remembrance
of it played too.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I want to use this moment to speak to the
Muslims of New York City.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I want to speak to the memory of my aunt
who stopped taking the subway after September eleventh because she
did not feel safe in her Headjab Clay, that's the
three thousand people died.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
A war was.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Launched with a horrific terrorist attack against US, and Mamdanie's
concern is and I'm just gonna say this. People are
already pointing out that this doesn't seem like it even
adds up with whether his aunt was actually in New York,
whether she actually wore.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
A hit job.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But this guy will say anything but for nine to
eleven to be about your aunt creating this fear of
you know, this islamophobia thing. The truth of nine to
eleven and this, you know, talking to New Yorkers the
whole country, Americans were incredibly tolerant and decent toward Muslim
(01:45):
Americans after nine to eleven, in ninety nine point nine
percent of cases.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You you find me.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Another society where someone suffers a massive terrorists sneak attack
that kills thousands of people, that is responsible entirely by
one religious group with one ideology, and trust me, it
would not have gone the way that it went in
this country. So the American tolerance after nine to eleven
is actually a shiny example.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Of how decent and reasonable the American people are.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
In my opinion, I think that's all one hundred percent accurate.
I would also point out that claiming that someone is
opposed to you because of your identity is not actually
an argument for or against anything, And I think where
a lot of you come down on this issue why Black,
(02:37):
Asian Hispanic who are out there listening is make me
an argument that is a good, sound, well constructed argument.
You can't make an argument because it makes me uncomfortable.
Is a part of the reason why Democrat party brand
has collapsed. And so first of all, I think he's
probably lying. Okay, let's start with that second part twenty
(03:03):
four years ago when nine to eleven happened. Yeah, like
the actual victims when we're still cleaning up. This is
the great Norm MacDonald clip. If I remember correctly from.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Back in twenty Was it a tweet or yeah, like
it might have been both, but I always remember the tweet.
Just imagine if America got hit with a nuclear bomb
in one of our cities.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Just think of all the Islamophobia.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yes, and I mean the whole idea that the people
who are victims here are not the people that actually died,
but the people who, in some way were looked on
suspiciously after other people who embraced the same religion decided
to fly airplanes into three different iconic American structures I mean,
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or two different American iconic structures. I mean, I guess again,
this is that actually goes into was the World Trade
Center one. You know, this is like one discreete event
or another. That's the lawyer in me going back. But
the discrete tear attacker too. I think you look at
at all of this and I just I watched that
(04:19):
rally Buck because I said, I want to make sure
that I'm not missing anything. The fourteen thousand people were
in a stadium setting, they had AOC they had mom Donnie,
and we got different clips from that, and I think
we should play it. But my big takeaway was, no,
I'm not missing anything here. This is a crazy person's
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campaign that is taken over in New York City and.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
He's according to the odds. I know Sleeve was gonna
pull it out. You tell me, fine, but according to
the odds, he's looking like the odds on favorite and
then some and I would say, what we're seeing, Clay.
And one of the reasons why nationally this is getting attention,
Why people int Texas and California and Missouri and everywhere
who are with us right now are at least observing
(05:07):
this race with some degree of interest, is this is
what left wing populism in America looks like.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I think they are beginning.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
To move away a little bit, and it's a temporary
tactical retreat. They have not repudiated, they have not given
up on what many of us now call race communism
at all, but they are going.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Back toward a more class warfare.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Communism really the original communism, and making this all about
rich have to pay more, government has to give me more.
And unfortunately very straightforward, everybody thinks that Santa Claus is
good when Santa Claus is giving them stuff, and that
there's no downside, and that only the rich people who
won't notice it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Are going to pay. These are all the usual lies.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
But this is at the heart of this whole left
wing populist movement. I mean, here is at the Sunday
Bernie rally you had or sorry, mam Donnie rally, right,
but it's Bernie aoc mamdani.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I mean these right now are the three I.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Was going to stay shining lights, but what would be
a what's a I have to think of some other
These are the three commissars in chief of the American
Democrat comedy movement. And here they are listen to what
the crowd is channing.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Play cut four.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Let's try to.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
H I can hear you.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, what a stirring speech from New York Governor Hochell there, Okay,
I can hear you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
But just so you all know, that crowd is chanting
tax the rich, tax the rich.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
You know who's listening in New York City right now?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
High earners who are like, hey buck hows South Florida,
Hey Clay, they got some extra houses in Franklin, Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'd leave.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I mean, I respect the fact that New York City
has been a great American town for hundreds of years.
If I were one of the people that is having
a great living and made a great living in New
York City, that you know they are going to come
for and they are going to tax you to excess.
(07:39):
There's lots of great American cities. Maybe in nineteen sixty
or nineteen eighty you felt like you had to stay
in New York City.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Trust me.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Nashville's awesome, Miami is awesome, Dallas pretty great, Houston pretty great,
no state income tax in any of those big cities.
You can get everything that you want in New York
except you can have a gun. Uh and you can
have zero percent state income tax. Well that's a pretty
good trade.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
A gun is in one.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
You can't even you can't even have a gun in
New York City.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like no, I know, but I'm saying in these other
places you're not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
You can have it in time, you can have an
entire arsenal, but you can have a gun. I mean,
there are lots of restricted rights in New York City.
And I think New York City is fine to visit,
and I know you still have a ton of family
there and sy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is awesome, and Mom Dottie's not going to single handedly
ruin the city forever, but he's going to make some
decisions that, unfortunately the New Yorkers are going to pay
a price.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
The best case scenario for Mom Donnie, best case scenario
if he wins, is that he's so incompetent because he's
never managed anything in his life. He's never had any
success in life prior to this moment. And you can
go back, you live through it, Buck, It's not a
surprise to me that the people who have been the
best mayors have tended to have a lot of experience
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in management or business that has prepared them to be
able to take on the leviathan that is the New
York City government. So I think the best case scenario
is Mom Donnie is so incompetent that he is not
politically able to enact the agenda that he has run
to say that he will enact.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And speaking of that agenda, this has been recently released
by the Mam Donnie campaign. So my understanding is this
is not like deep OPO research that we're latching onto
here or something. Here is Mam Donni. I mean the
campaigns like look at mom Donnie, look at U gradies.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Here he is talking.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
About how when you get the problem on buses And
I have ridden on New York City buses many many times.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
My high school are sports teams used to have to
travel the games because we had a very limited budget.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It was a scholarship school. Travel on public buses.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
City buses. In your bus forms, you would just get
on with like your yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
We would get on with like fifteen of us or whatever,
and we would get on the city bus. I've been
on buses many, many, many times. Here is Mamdani. This
is cut three saying if we just make all the
buses free, some of the problems we see will get better.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Play it. You have a fair box on a bus.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It increases the sight, of tension, of conflict, of assaults
when you.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Reduce when you remove that farebox.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Rather, what you find is a safer experience, not just
for the riders but also for the operators. Clay, this
is like saying, hey, you know what the problem is.
And all these drug stores in New York that have
to have everything locked up, they expect to be paid
for this stuff. You don't what erase the conflict. Let's
just let them take whatever they want for free. Then
(10:49):
all of a sudden, there's no problem. This is lunacy
from this guy. Lunacy and what you really need to
have for people who don't pay the fare get a
big fine.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I have to do it again.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
They get arrested, and if they assault the guy who's
actually driving the bus, they go to prison.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I have done public transportation a lot in my life
as well. I rode the public Nashville school bus, public
Nashville City bus when I was a kid from my school.
You know what people care about the most, safety and cleanliness.
Do you know what making all public transportation buses, in particular,
(11:26):
say free, is going to do decrease safety and increase
uh der that's going.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
To Maco City buses, mobile homeless shelters. Yes, that's what
this will become, which, by the way, already is the
case in the New York City subway system, where people
just jump the fair. But you know, if you jump
the fair in the subway, you know someone doesn't necessarily see.
If you jump the fair on the bus, everybody sees
and they know you haven't paid and you're on video. Right,
(11:54):
it's easier to jump the fare in the subway system,
but there are whole clay I have experienced this so
many times, Producer Ali, you can weigh in on this
either now or we come back from the break.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You'll be like, oh my gosh, this suboy's so crowded.
Play it's so crowded.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Oh man, look at this. There's an empty subway car
just for me. And you will go on that subway
car and it will smell worse than any smell you've
ever come across in your life, because it is being
used by homeless people who are deeply mentally ill as
a toilet.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah, and I would also point out people say, well,
why do you care about people jumping the turnstiles? Everything else?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Relatively low level crime.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well, the percentage of times that people are jumping the turnstiles.
A lot of those guys have outstanding crimes, right, So
when you are arresting somebody who is jumping a turnstyle,
you oftentimes are going to find out that they have
a criminal history. On top of that, to say nothing
of the evidence supports that when you don't enforce the law,
(12:54):
you encourage more law breaking. And producer Alley rides subway
all the time. I haven't been on the subway in
a long time. I was trying to think of the
last time I was on the New York City subway.
I think it was when we were I had my
whole family at Buck, and my middle son, who was
obsessed with Ghostbusters, wanted to tour the city of New
York to see all the Ghostbuster places dressed as a ghostbuster,
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which is kind of awesome, pretty awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is a Clay in Buck Deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
I do worry because some arguments are so dumb that
I don't understand how a major political party can make them.
And let me take a step back and say some
things you and I disagree with in policy perspectives. But
you can make a reasonable argument that you or I
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or wrong, or that some of you out there right
or wrong. There's lots of reasonable minds can differ perspectives.
Freezing rent is actually the most destructive thing you could
do if you believe you have major issues with uh
with rent in the city. The thing I mean, this
is just basic economics. And I know a lot of
(14:06):
you get this, but maybe your kids don't, maybe your
grandkids don't, And you have to succinctly kind of explain
why this is a lunatic idea. Here is just a
simple argument. It's all supply and demand. Everything in life
is supply and demand. If you want rent to come down,
(14:27):
then you have to build more apartments and or kick
illegals that are using these apartments out. This is very basic.
It is the essence of economics itself. The only way
to drive down cost is to increase the supply of
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a good by and large, and yet they are simultaneously
making it very hard to construct new housing and telling
the people who do own the house, we're going to
restrict what you can charge, which means the cost is
going to continue to go up for those who own
(15:08):
these rental properties, the maintenance costs are going to continue
to go up. Inflation is not stopping for them, which
means their profit margin is going to go down, which
means the quality of the rental property will either decline
or unfortunately, some of these properties will just be taken
off the market because the landlord will throw up their
(15:28):
hands and say, I'm losing money by renting this property out.
If they have the ability to do so, they'll just
pull it off the market, which will mean that rents
are continuing to increase overall because the supply is declining. What.
I don't even understand the argument that a rational human
being could make that freeze the rent is in any
(15:51):
way beneficial for people, even if you believe that rental
costs are too high. I mean, you lived in New
York City. I see what people have to pay for
homes in New York City to rent. Just we have
to build way more homes. I mean, I don't understand
how this is not the ultimate solution.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Okay, so there's a few things here for everyone I
think to consider. One is, and this was even higher
than I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
If you were to just.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Take ack a quick look at what the cost of
new multifamily is in this country nationwide on average, and
how much of that is taxes, regulations, fees, meaning not
just oh, I want to hire people and get stuff
(16:41):
to make a home, and you know by land, hire
a construction crew, have them make it and sell it,
but all the other things. Estimate that I just found
online just with a quick search clay is forty percent
forty percent of the cost. I tried to find a
specific New York City cost and all they can really
(17:03):
say is that it, whatever it is, it's higher than
forty percent.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And there are reasons for that. There are reasons for this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, one thing, by the way, in New York City,
building codes alone, building codes are eleven percent of the cost.
Inclusionary zoning mandates are seven percent of the cost. You know,
you go through these things to say, well, hold on
a second. And another one is again talking multifamily here, right,
(17:35):
because that's the only way you got to build up
in New York for it to be worth worthwhile in
New York City it's very hard. You know, you're not
building like a you know, on two acres, a single
family home unless you're going to sell it for twenty
million bucks. So they look at this, or rather you
look at this, and you find out that also the
fact that New York City labor costs are so high,
(17:55):
and that there's all these union mandates for labor, and
you have all these things, and these are the reasons
that there's not more housing supply, and the idea of
freezing rent makes it worse. Give you an example of this, everybody,
You could look at a lot of things that ruin
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the economy. I mean, Venezuela is now a failed state.
Maybe it's going to get a new regime soon, it's
a failed state. It's a narco traffick or state. And
we don't even hear about the economy anymore one because
I think it's so hard to get real numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
But it's been completely destroyed.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
One of the primary ways that Chavez and then Maduro
destroyed the Venezuelan economy was price controls, because people who
are hurting and who don't have very much here, Hey,
these guys are going to use government force to say
that the cost of this washing machine isn't three hundred dollars,
(18:50):
it's one hundred dollars and that sounds great, right, Oh
my gosh, Now, my watch they mandate, and only the
fat catch are going to pay. You know what happens, Clay,
No one can buy a washing machine anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No one can.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Actually, they their shelves are empty. Right, This is what
is going on in the New York City housing market,
red large, and yet Mamdani is about to become mayor
thinking of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
As the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It is so destructive, it is so damaging, and it's
essentially a repudiation of the free market replaced with social justice.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
It's calming nonsense.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The Obama administration. Claire, remember Michelle Obamas Let's Move campaign.
There was along with that when she was first lady.
I'm taking you back a decade, folks. There was a
food desert, the whole food desert thing. You know, you
don't hear that term very much anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And the whole.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Premise of the food desert was low income people. They're
obviously not starving. Right to your point is it's not
that there's no food, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Have access to.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Lean, lean cuts of steak and organic chalae and and
the thing. You know, these things that are generally considered
more kind of upper end income lifestyle food choices. So
they created this pilot program where not only did they
bring in Farmers Market produce into New York City. New
(20:20):
York Times had all these stories on this. The reason
there's a reason I'm gonna tell you why you don't
hear about this anymore farmers Market produce into all of
these different cities or all of these different stores rather
subsidized did clay.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
The government said we're.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Gonna make this army want you to make healthier choices,
so we're gonna make the healthier choices cheaper.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So they truck the food into these low income neighborhoods.
There's a whole pr campaign around letting people know, hey,
you can get all the archisanal wildflower honey you want now,
you know, telling everybody in low income neighborhoods of New
York and bring it to what's artificially cheaper. So now
(20:59):
it's not oh, I have to get like the off
brand potato chips, because now it's oh my gosh, I
can do you know how much they were able to
change the buying habits in these neighborhoods. Zero They were
not able to statistically in any way measure any change
in the buying habits of So unless you're going to
(21:19):
force feed low income people the quote healthy organic, blah blah,
all that stuff. They just want to eat what they
want to eat. Yeah, I think there's very important lessons
here about the free market and about economics and choice
and central planning. And you look at someone like mom Donnie.
He's saying, I want to set up government owned grocery stores.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
They had those in the Soviet Union. It did not
work out well. Have them in Cuba now to get meat.
They have them in Cuba.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Every now and then you will see video of all
the people in Cuba lining up to try to go
into their government run stores. They're never anything on the shelves.
And this is again, this goes to a just complete
failure to understand basic business. If you were going to
go in business, a grocery store and many of you
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out there have been involved in this in the past,
has one of the tiniest profit margins of any business.
It is a high volume, low profit based business. One
reason if you walk around and you look at grocery
store shelves that grocery stores themselves produce generic versions of
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doritos or generic versions of soda is because that's much
higher profit margin than the brand name. So to speak
out there, and it is just it's akin to someone
saying as sometimes you will hear, oh, these gas stations
the price of gas, They're making so much money, and
(22:56):
you say, wait a minute, you realize gas stations make
almost no money on gas. Right, It is a lost
leader very often, as many of you who have run
gas stations know, the way that gas stations make profit
is typically off of the store. So when you walk
inside and you buy products, you buy a drink, or
you buy a lottery ticket, or you buy something in
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a gas station, that's how the business is run. And
so when you have people like Mamdani and Buck, you
know this better than anybody.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
But one of the.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Toughest places to be bringing product into is New York
City because the streets are narrow like, the trucks are complicated.
The cost of bringing in all that product and trying
to deliver it to so many different stores. It is
one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard from a
politician that they're going to make groceries more affordable by
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getting the government in the grocery business, and you.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Have you have the green energy, you know, climate change
maniacs who have decided that we can't have any more
places to park, and we have fewer fewer lanes to
force people onto buses. And now we're gonna if mamdani wins,
gonna have buses with no fare, so they're just going
to be traveling homeless terminals that smell like urine, god
(24:10):
knows what else. And they do all this clay and
what happens, and this is again the cause and effect
reality of central planning by kami morons. People would be
staggered to know how many parking tickets are written every
day in Manhattan in particular, and how that actually becomes
a tax on all businesses because to get your deliveries,
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all of your delivery guys for all of your restaurants
and all of your supermarkets and everything are constantly getting
tickets that go to the city of New York, and
so there's an addition that's just a tax because it
raises the cost of delivering food or raises the cost
of delivering goods and services. All of this made worse
by people in city hall in New York and by
the way, any Democrat city across the country that's following
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the similar playbook, it's all made worse by their decisions
all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
All they do is make things worse most of the time.
I mean, that's really what you see.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And Mamdani is certainly going to be somebody who falls
into that category.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's very frustrating.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Fine deep dives in the Klay and Buck podcast feed
on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Also voters going to the polls in New Jersey, Virginia
and elsewhere. As we are continuing to break all that down,
we've been talking a lot about Mom, Donnie Cuomo and Sliwa,
and the Republican nominee for the New York City Mayor's
office is in with us now. He is Curtis Sliwa.
(25:33):
And Curtis, we appreciate you coming on the show, and
I know that you are running around like crazy talking everywhere.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
So I'm just going to start off. Let's just dive
right into it.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
I have pledged if you win, so you know, to
wear a red beret for a week and open up
a bar tab at a sports bar not run by
communists in New York City. So I'm on the record there.
If you win, here's my concern. You can tell me
why I'm a moron. If you stay in this race,
I think on Wednesday we are going to wake up
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and we are going to see that Mam Donni did
not get the majority of the vote, but that you
and Andrew Cuomo have split the anti Mam Donnie vote
and as a result, this awful Marxist, left wing lunatic
Mam Donnie is going to be the next mayor of
New York City. If that happens, will you feel responsible?
(26:29):
How would you respond to someone like me who thinks
that that's the most likely outcome if you stay in
the race.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Well, let's go back to your initial statement. That's too
easy at a bartab in a Gin mail. How about
writing the number four Jane the muggers express with me
and your red beret fighting crime. Yeah, yeah, that's a
little more dangerous.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
But on this right, I will join you on whatever
public transit you would like me to join you on.
If you are New York City's mayor in a red beret,
I will join you. So I'll I'll step it up
a notch but.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Remember, wait, is that Aget the reason there is a
Zorhan Mandami. He said, you had a failed mayor, Eric Adams,
the most corrupt in the history of New York City.
And that's saying a lot. Had he been a halfway
decent mayor, it would have been round two twenty twenty five,
as it was in twenty twenty one. Eric Adams in
coming Democrat running against Republican challenger Curtis Leewer. So Eric
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Adams failed Democrat, then into a Cuomo like a political zombie.
Came back from the Hamptons where he was hanging out
with his billionaire friends with forty points ahead on March
first when he announced he was running in the Democratic
primary to become the next mayor. Three and a half
months later, with zarn Mondami at one percent, when in
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who announced that forty percent, he got beat by thirteen
percent and admitted he ran an horrible race. He didn't
do retail politics. Well, guess what. Just recently The New
York Post published a story that said that Enton Clomo
has been absent from the campaign trail for ten days
since Labor Day. You don't win elections that way. I'm
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in the subways. I'm in the streets, I'm on the buses.
I'm meeting the people, the voters. I am the Republican populist,
blue collar, working class Kennedy. That's my pathway to victory.
Andrew Cmo is responsible for the rise of zo on
Mondami and the Democrats are responsible for the socialists taking
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over their party. So why would I even drop out?
And by the way, you can't drop out. I'm on
the ballot now, I'm not on the number two line
on the Republican canndy. There's no dropping out. I've never
intended to drop out. Billionaires tried to bribe me with
ten million dollars. Now I got to walk around with
armed guards along with my wife Nancy, because our lives
(28:48):
have been threatened. You really think that courteously, with everything
I've been through in my life, is going to drop out.
Think of that last scene in Braveheart where mel Gibson
is on the gurney and the Insecutionna says, I want
you to bow to the King of England or I'm
gonna impale you. I'm saying impale me. I will never
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support angew Cuomo, the Prince of evil. He's cold, hearted.
He is the worst of what the Democratic Party represents.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Okay, So if I am right though, and Mam Donnie
wins because you and Cuomo split the anti Mam Donni vote,
is it your contention that Mam Donni is not gonna
be worse than Cuomo would be. And by the way,
Bucket not neither Buck nor I have any love loss
for Cuomo at all, and Bucks you've won Buck over
(29:38):
with your brave heart analogy there.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yes, but I'm gonna say that's that's all I needed
to hear. But go ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But if if Mam Donnie is elected, do you not
think that he will be worse for New York City
than Cuomo? Or do you think they're both so awful
there's no distinction at all, no matter who would win it.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
There, Well, the reason that we lock up twoth fast
and our criminals is the archit of no cash bail,
Andrew Cuomo and then his apprentice is Ohamandami. Guys, My
oldest son Anthony was nearly king killed and a gang
attack juveniles. They stomped him. He's lucky to have survived
(30:15):
because of the architect of raised the age, Cuomo and
his supporter on that the apprentice or a Mandami. These
five juveniles who should have gone to criminal court and
been charged with adult crimes, went to family court and
were released on their own recognisance to their parents. And then, lastly,
Governor Cuomo when he was in charge ten years ago
(30:38):
before he fled impeachment to the Hamptons, he was the
architect of closing our prison Rykers Island. And his apprentice,
Johan Mandami, they both have led to the crime crisis
that we're in now. I see no differentiation. They are
birds of a feather, two peas in a pod. They're Democrats.
They have caused the destruction of New York State. They're
(30:59):
looking to destroy New York City. And again, Andrew Cuomo
has only himself to blame for Johan Mandami being the
Democratic nominee because he didn't run a race. So I'm
the Republican. I have Republican values completely different than my adversaries.
I believe this is a strange notion in America, isn't it?
Democracy should prevail. The billionaires aren't going to choose the mayor,
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or the influences or the inside is the people, one person,
one vote, Let the people choose the next Mayor. Cuomo
has already signaled that if he loses his are On Mondami,
he's fleeing to Florida. I stay, I fight for what
I know is right, improved. Don't move. If I happen
to lose his on, I will become his worst night mare.
(31:44):
Twenty four seven, three six y five. I fight, fight, fight, fight.
Cuomo runs, runs, runs, runs.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
So, now the other New Yorker here, Curtis, wants to
jump in. I wanted Clay to be able to get
out there because he's been he's been worried about the.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Ticket splitting issue.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I just want to throw out there that I think
blue Face paint a La Braveheart along with your red
beret would be a good look in these final days,
because that is a fantastic movie. And now to his point,
you have won me over with your fight to the
very end. But tell me this, how is it that
you could win? Is it that all the polls, if
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you win based on what the so called intelligentsia and
the political political class, pundits, et cetera, based on what
they've been saying, it would be the biggest upset.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean, certainly along the lines of Trump twenty sixteen
bigger than that based on the numbers.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
What do you say to those people who are.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Telling you you're a long shot, you're a no shot,
and you're just helping the other side, right, how do
you win?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
What's your pathway look like?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Last time I ran against Serry Adams, and remember I
did want everybody he would be corrupt and it would
be chaos. I was right about that. I got twenty
eight percent of the vote. So I build on the
twenty eight percent. I not only have can show the
Republican votes. There are two and a half times the
number of independents, and there are Republicans. I have that vote,
(33:07):
and I have a new line, independent line protect the animals,
first time ever in electoral history. My wife was able
to get the signatures to qualify it. It's the first
independent line on the ballot. Try to find Angel Cuomo
in the maze very difficult. And it calls for no
killed shelters and put animal abuses in jail. Let me
tell you something, there are a lot of women and
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men who are one issue voters out there when it
comes to animals. Mahatma Gandhi said, it's a society that
does not take care of its animals, does not take
care of its people. And look at us here in
New York City. We don't take care of our homeless,
our emotionally disturbed, our veterans. But Cuomo supported the seven
billion dollars that Eric Adams spent on illegal aliens, people
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we didn't even know. I want to take care of
our own. It's time we bring it home and care
for our homeless, are emotionally and most importantly, our veterans
who have been forshaken. You don't hear almost saying that,
and naturally you don't hear.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
The artist Curtis. I love the protect animals thing.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I love dogs as much as any human being I've
ever met, and other animals too, So I think that's fantastic.
But I want to ask you about this, the Mam
Donnie shape shifting situation here, or the code switching, the
changing it up on some of the stuff. For example,
now he's saying he would keep Jessica Tish, who I
(34:31):
actually worked with at the NYPD many years ago, keep
her in the commissioner role.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I mean, is it just'll say anything to make people
not as scared of his communist nonsense as they should be.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
What's going on, Well.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
He's built the basio on steroids. Now remember he's more
dangerous because build the basio halfway through the night would
be on the Backboarch your Graycie mansion, smoking his Maui
Wowie and hindukush with his grip to wipe Charlette with
Zara Mondami. He would give twenty hours at day to
destroying the city. But Deblasio, when he was running in
twenty thirteen, said I will choose Bill Bratton as my
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police commissioner. That was his insurance policy. So he's following
in the footsteps of his mentor build de Blasio by
saying I will keep Jessica Tish. The question is if
you should win pull Jessica tis stay. I don't know.
I don't have conversations with her. I've got my boots
on the ground. I'm in the subways. I'm dealing with regular,
(35:29):
average day, working class people. I'll let the elites determine
that while I'm in the streets.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Curtis Lee will with us right now running Republican nominee
for mayor of New York City. You mentioned right off
the top that you've been offered ten million dollars to
drop out by billionaires.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
What do those offers look like?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
And will you tell us who's been offering for you
to be paid to drop out of the race.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah. Well, there were seven calls that I fielded from
people I grew up with that are not supporting me.
They're supporting Roma, which is fine, but they were calling
on his behalf for me to drop out. And the
last call, which my wife listened to, who is a
attorney Nancy, got to the point where I said no, no,
a thousand times no. And then he said, Curtis, everybody
(36:15):
has a price. Ten million dollars is a lot of
money to walk away from. I said, guy, you know me.
I was born with nothing. I'll die with nothing. Ashes
to ashes, dust that dust. This sounds to me unethical.
It's a bribe. He could be illegal. And from that
day forward, my wife said, look, you got to put
everybody on blast that if they're going to talk to
(36:37):
you about bribing you, you're going to be wired up
like a Christmas tree, which I am now and there've
been no call since now. The people who reached me
have family people, they have businesses, in the business of politics,
which you know is the dirtiest business of all. Just
asked the founder of UFC. He said the same thing,
(36:59):
that dirty his business. I give these guys a past.
They know not what they do. But anybody moving forward, Hey,
you're going to be prosecuted for obviously illegalities and for
what are corruptive practices.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Have you talked to Donald Trump? He has discussed your candidacy.
He's talked about the fact that sometimes he wishes you
would drop out because he's concerned about mom Donnie becoming
the mayor of New York City.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Have you talked to Trump?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
What have those conversations been like.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
No, I am not spoken to the president recently. For
forty years, I knew Donald Trump as a New Yorker.
We had a love hate relationship like most people had
with Donald Trump. I mean, you look at his vice president,
Jade Van's doing a great job. He called them hitler
in twenty sixteen, and now he's a vice president. So
I've been on the roller coaster with Donald Trump. Like
(37:48):
most people. He's not reached out to me. He's not
talked to me. He certainly has had conversations with Andrew
Cuomo and with Eric Adams, and the President is free
to do what he wishes. I wish he endorse me.
He hasn't, but I've always said he said publicly, mister President,
you're trying to get peace in the Middle East and
Persian Gulf that you're the only guy who can do that.
(38:11):
You got to get peace between Russia and Ukraine. You're
the only guy who can do that. He's dealing with
Asia now and the Red Chinese menace. He's the only
guy who can deal with that comparably to those bigger issues.
Do you think weighing in on the mayoral race in
New York City is equal to those? I don't think so.
(38:31):
And by the way, Zoraan Mandami loves it, because then
he plays David to Goliath. He doesn't want to run
against Andrew Cuomoa courtes leeway. He wants to run against
Donald Trump, who happens not to be very popular in
New York City. He isn't around the country, he is
in other parts of New York State. The benefit of
my running and winning a mayoral election as a Republican
(38:53):
is it's nineteen ninety three all over again. Rudy Giuliani won.
I am Rudy Juliani two point zero, and next year
we set it up the way it was in ninety
four when Pataki beat the better Cuomo Mario and we
had not only competence, no corruption, no chaos. Crime went
down with Rudy and with Pataki. You elect me the
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Republican mayor, and then we pull out all the stops
to elect congresswoman at least Stafonik the governor next year
Republican Kennedy, and we can return to the days of
Giuliani and Pataki and send Kathy Hokol packing back to Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
All right, Curtis, real quick, we only have thirty seconds
before we get into heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Here.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Where can people go? We got a big wor audience.
I want to mobilize for you. What's the site? What
do they do?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Just go to sliwa for NYC dot com. That sliwa
fo r NYC dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Thanks guys, Hey, Curtis, thank you, bring home the w
and Clay's gonna wear that red beret.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'll wear one too, Actually, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
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