May 17, 2025 • 45 mins
Clay and Buck do a deep dive on Trump giving refugee status to 59 South Africans. The mainstream media narrative predictably presents this topic through a racial lens and demonstrates racism against white people is alive and well in the Democrat Party.
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
A story that Trump has also put into the news
cycle here has to do with the resettling of some
refugees from South Africa. Now, the administration had spoken about
this before Trump signed an EO on this, and it's
very interesting to see the objections to this. I want
to spend a little time on this, Clay, because I
think this is a fascinating issue. And let me just
(00:58):
tell you, first off, I think fifty of them have
been are in the process five zero five zero, Okay,
on in the process of being resettled. I think, you know,
we've seen that guy tied to MS thirteen. He had
like eight people in the car when the cops pulled
them aside at Brego Garcia, and they were saying that
the police said they believed that he was a human trafficker.
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Fifty people is not a lot of people. But the
media is very very iffy on this, very concerned about this,
A lot of questions all of a sudden, after ten
plus million people piled into the country, falsely claiming by
the numbers, go look at the court cases. Over ninety
percent of them not actually worth or you know, should
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not get asylum, not actually people deserving of asylum. Fifty
South Africans show up, and there's a problem with this
because they're white, and you say, you sit here, you
go hold on it. So is our policy that you
can't be a white refugee. That certainly would have been
news to a lot a lot of Ashkenazi Jews during
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the Second World War, like you can't be a white refugee.
This is Trump speaking about this play twenty five.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I
understand sometime next week, and you know we're supposed to
have a guess, a G twenty meeting there or something,
But we're having a G twenty meeting. I don't know
how we can go unless that situation's taken care of.
But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people
don't want to write about. But it's a terrible thing
that's taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen
(02:29):
to be white. But whether they're white or black makes
no difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally
killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa,
and the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even
talk about it. If it were the other way around,
they talk about it, that would be the only story
they talk about. I don't care who they are. I
don't care about their race, their color, I don't care
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about their height, their weight, I don't care about anything.
I just know that what's happening is terrible. To have
people that live in South Africa. They say it's a
terrible situation taking place, So we've essentially extended citizenship to
those people.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Play The media has generally written more skeptical and even
critical coverage of fifty white South five zero white South
Africans being resettled in this country under refuge under refugee
status than they did for four years of Biden. With
ten plus million illegals being cartel human traffics across the border,
(03:25):
what is going on? I think, I mean, I think
we know what's going on totally. And look, this goes
into We talked about what an incredible weekend Trump had
in so many different positive results, and we should mention basically,
the stock market is now back at the price that
it was in January. Stock price is surging today, and
(03:46):
I hope that a lot of you did not buy
into that fear that they tried to drive. Oh, the
stock market's going to collapse, the government, you know that
our economy is going to collapse, all that stuff. We
told you to stay calm, either buy more if you
have the ability to do it, or at least hold
on to your stocks. I hope you guys did. I
hope you didn't let the panic get to you. But
(04:06):
the thing that they're not talking about at all, to
your point, Buck, the southern border is one of the
biggest successes that I can remember any president ever saying
I will fix it. We hear a lot from politicians
who basically make a living saying I will fix it,
and then they get into office and nothing really changes.
(04:27):
Can you remember in one hundred days, and it even
took less than one hundred days, It only took thirty.
Can you remember anything that a president has ever fixed
faster than what Trump did at the border? Such that
nobody even talks about it now, It's just it was
a huge story. It was a huge concern of the
American people going into this last election. As we know,
(04:49):
right alongside the economy, it was really one and two
economy one, border two, and some polls border could even
outstrip the economy depends because the border of the economy
are tied together too. There's a lot of these things
are seen side by side. But remember it's not just
clay that he fixed it so quickly. It's that he
came in and fixed it so quickly. And the previous
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occupant of the Oval Office had spent four years, through
his surrogates and through the media telling us it's so hard,
it's so complicated, we can't do anything to fix this,
which was always a lie, because of course they could.
One of the biggest changes isn't just the enforcement mechanisms
at the border. It is that what do we say
(05:30):
a million times to your Clay, We talked about the border.
It's about the incentives. If you think you can get
in and stay, a lot of people will come. People
Now think, hold on a second, Do I want to
pay a coyote five, ten, fifteen grand? Do I want
to deal with the cartels and show up in Mexico
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and spend time in an immigration facility in America and
all this stuff? If I don't think I'm gonna get
to stay them, I get sent home. Completely changes the calculation.
But I did want to bring us back Clay to
Why is there such I mean, here's the Associated Press
seen a reporting on this. Episcopal Church says it will
not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in
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the US. Piscical Church's migration service is refusing a directive
from the federal government to help resettle white South Africans
granted refugee status, citing the church's long standing commitment to
racial justice and reconciliation. Presiding Bishop Rowe announced that after
forty nine South Africans departed their homeland bound for New
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homes in the US, Episcopal migration ministries will halt its
decades long partnership with the government. The Episcopal Church is
refusing to help with after forty years of oh yeah,
give it. You know, anybody will help anybody come into
this place and resettle them. They won't help these South
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Africans be resettled. They are subject to state sponsor nother. See.
This is why this is so Hold on what's going
on in South Africa. You start to look at this,
what's happening in South Africa, Clay, South Africa is actually
a it has become a sort of final stage, you know,
affirmative action state, if you will, where they have actual
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hard quotas so that you know, companies, like the board
of a company has to be eighty five percent black,
and you know the employees of a company have to
be eighty five whatever I'm making up the numbers. It's
something like that. And the government also is constantly flirting
with more ways to take land from white farmers in
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that country, and this has caused a tremendous amount of dysfunction.
The government is insanely corrupt by the way it has
economically been reduced to a horrible rate of growth, and
there's a lot of poverty and crime and all these things,
but there is open racial discrimination by the state. That's
what it is. Our own comp our own Supreme Court
(08:01):
said you actually can't do this in Harvard Admissions. Well,
you also shouldn't be able to do this anywhere else.
You shouldn't be able to discriminate on the basis of race.
And that's why there's such an outrage here to bringing
fifty five zero white South Africans into this country under
refugee status because they are being discriminated against. This country
is so unsafe that they don't make women stop at
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red lights after dark in many parts of the country.
I mean, think about how unfortunate that is. Any country
where you just say and everybody just kind of accepts it, Hey,
if you're driving at night and you're a woman, you
don't have to stop at a red light is a
country that has been completely taken over by criminal elements.
(08:47):
And it's unfortunate that that has occurred. And you know,
I know when they had the World Cup, the amount
of security that was required for the teams was the charts.
They basically put all of the different teams at the
World Cup that South Africa hosted behind prison, you know,
(09:09):
walls almost in many ways to keep them from being
able to even go out in many parts of the
country because they were so concerned about the safety of
the players from all the different countries. That's a sign
obviously that things have fallen apart. And I think it's
gotten worse there in terms of safety for all people since,
and it is unfortunate and the fact that you would
(09:34):
make that the focal point. Again, the point is, none
of the successes get talked about, and anything that they
can put in a negative light becomes a huge part
of the focus.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Here's how this issue is covered. For example, at the
New York Times. I want you I'm gonna read this
so you know exactly and this was let me see, yeah,
this is about a year or two ago New York Times.
Kill the Bore Bore is a reference to white South
Africans kill the boor song fuels backlash in South Africa
and US. Right wing commenters claim that an old apartheid
(10:12):
chant is a call to anti white violence, but historians
and the left wing politicians who embrace it say don't
take it literally. They have songs in stadiums about killing
the white people in their country, and they're allowed to
chant and sing this, and The New York Times is like,
hold on, everybody, maybe we just shouldn't take it literally.
(10:34):
And given what's going on in the country, it's not
like everyone's getting along great and the country's functioning really well,
and yet they will take that position on this. I
just think what you see here is that we have
the left in this country has decided that our immigration
policy is first and foremost about taking people from the
impoverished third world nations that are non white, and that
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that is actually the focus of our immigration because otherwise,
why fifth fifty migrants fifty migrants is I saw three
hundred migrants coming into the US at one time across
the border. Fifty migrants. We took ten million illegals in
four years. So yeah, it's kind of amazing what the
focal point is. And that's now been stopped, and so
(11:16):
this becomes a story. Clay Stephen Miller makes the case
here for why taking some refugees from South Africa actually
fits the definition of what a refugee is, unlike what's
been going on on our southern border. Play thirteen.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What's happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of
why the refugee program was created. This is persecution based
on a protected characteristic, in this case race. This is
race based persecution. The refugee program is not intended as
a solution for global poverty, and historically it has been
used that way. Wherever there's global poverty or wherever there's
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dysfunctional governments, then the US refugee program in comes in.
It soooks people up globe, they relocates them to America,
and you have multigener problems even into the second and
third generation. You have endemic poverty, you have prime issues,
you have integration issues. The US refugee program in America
has been a catastrophic failure. I mean if you look
(12:12):
for example at the Twin Cities area, I mean just
in terms of the markers of educational outcomes, in terms
of public safety, in terms of welfare use, and it's
been a complete public policy failure. And so this is
an example of the President. We're turning the refugee program
to what it was intended to be used.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
As a refugee program that takes in refugees, as in
people who need refuge in your country because they are
under threat because of who they are. They can't change.
There's nothing they can do. It's either their skin color,
or their religion or their political party. This is what
a refugee program actually is.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Claim.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But yeah, people show I mean to Clay, I saw this.
They show up at the border. They have these wristbands on.
You can see piles and piles on border has all this,
you know, photos and footage of this of the wristbands
to show, Oh, I've paid off the cartel. Don't worry.
The cartel's already got their human trafficking money from me.
Tom Holman talks about the horrible stuff that goes on
at our southern border too because of the cartels and
(13:13):
with like young girls and women. It's it's it's absolutely
horrific and it's systematic and that's been you know, the
sex crimes and against very young girls. The cartels do
this and and there's no you, no accountability on that
side of the border, and they're not going to get caught.
All this horrible stuff that's going on, and Biden doesn't
do it's not even didn't let the finger to stop it.
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That was the decision they made. That was the price
of doing business for the Biden border policy was all
the horrible stuff and the murderers who came in this
country and all this, but fifty white South Africans who
are like, you know, my country doesn't really want me
anymore and treats me terribly because of I can't do
anything about it. It's because I am white. I was
born this way. And the media clearly has a problem
(13:57):
with it, and people at the Episcopal Church is a
problem with it. I mean that that was a real, real,
you know shock, And I would just say this though,
as a South Florida guy. Now, people who have people
who have been welcomed lawfully into America by the American community,
who have fled tyranny. In the case of South Florida,
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it's fled Castro's communism, and you know, people who fled
the Khmer rouge and Paul Pot and Cambodia, people who
I believe now are going to be fleeing the race
based targeting that goes on in South Africa. They make
great Americans because they really true of a lot of
people in the former Soviet Union too. They see what
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can go wrong in a country that does not have freedom,
that does not treat people equally based on you know,
the same, irrespective of skin color, irrespective of religion. They
really appreciate this place, and that's what we want from
a refugee program. We don't want people who are like
I can make more money here and send remittances back
home and I'm not going to learn the language. And
America owes this to me because this is what people
(15:00):
tell me at the border. That's what we don't want.
By the way, Greg, and South Dakota says a lot
of the people farming around him are South African too.
I think he wants to weigh in and tell us
about that his story as well. Greg, what have you
got for us?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
What is your experience that farm in South Dakota and
we hire a custom harvester out of Minnesota and he
brings in every year eighty two one hundred South Africans
on that. I don't is it HG one whatever that
or the HB one whatever the h Yeah. Well, anyway,
visiting with those guys back in twenty sixteen, they were
(15:37):
such pro Trump people when he got elected, and they
told the horror stories about it. That one guy has
had a friend who they went out to his friend's farm.
They took him and his wife and his two daughters captive.
They they cut both arms and both legs off of him,
and what made him watch him die while they raise
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his wife and his daughters, and they talked about these
things going on, horrendous things that you just can't comprehend
being here where we're at. And yet these people I
have never come across people who are so appreciative of
what you do for them. They're such Christian young men.
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They can make more in the United States working here
in one month than they can a full year back
in South Africa, and they send their money back. That's
what it's that's what they're here for. And this morning,
when I heard President Trump on the TV at the
White House talking about it, I called two or three
of them this morning again and visited with them. And
they're here right now. And one guy left his wife
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and two daughters. This is the fifth year he's been here.
And my son said to him last year, the crew
and we always meet every morning. And when the day
was when the harvest was over, we said to the
one guy that said, you just you just don't know
how much we appreciate you. Young men, and they said,
I said, to come halfway around the world. You don't
know what you're coming to. And the young guy said
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to us, he goes, sir, we have to come halfway
around the world to be appreciated. I did not know
how to respond to that. I just yeah, wow, yeah,
but it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Perspective as well. You know, for those of you who
are are are curious. Uh, there's a there's a documentary.
Now this is about Zimbabwe, not South Africa, but there
was there has been a similar redistribution program of the
land in effect there uh and and a lot of
pressures on it. And it's called uh Mugabe and the
(17:38):
White African It's a documentary. You know, PBS has it.
It was Clay it was Have you ever seen this
was filmed filmed clandestinely, so it's it's all it's real footage.
And it's a white farmer in Zimbabwe next door under
Mugabe dealing with the land redistribution program, which the world says, oh,
but that's only fair because there's so many more black
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people than white people in Zimba and so yeah, what
it means is that government thugs show up and like
threatened to kill you. And rape your wife unless you
hand over your land. That's actually what it means, and
it's state policy, and that was next door. It hasn't
gotten you know, it hasn't gotten the attention that you
would think it would. And I think it's because so
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many in this country have adopted this narrative that racism
can't be against white people, and that's really what this
all comes down to. And of course a can racism
can be against any person based on their race. And
by the way, I do know the economic result of
that in Zimbabwe was the entire economy in the country
collapsed because some of the most productive parts of Zimbabwe
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were agricultural and it probably won't surprise you that when
the government got involved and took over the land, the
actual success of the farming industry collapsed. So it wasn't
just you were taking the land, it was you were
destroying the jobs created by the land that was helping
to feed the people of Zimbabwe. And what and what
by the way, Zimbabwe, I mean, Mugabe and the and
(19:01):
the White African is a fantastic documentary and it did
not get as much attention in this country as it should.
By the way, anyone who watches it. It is very powerful,
It is very well done, and it is haunting, and
you know, I think in the end he testifies at
the Hague. Anyway, I don't I don' want to like
give away stuff, but you should watch it if you
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want to know kind of what happens in some of
these places where they don't adhere to the principle that
all men are created equal. You can see exactly what
goes on. It is really really good documentary. So I
would just I would recommend that to you. But Clay,
to your point, Zimbabwe was was considered the bread basket
of Africa and then it turned into a place with
hyperinflation and can't feed itself. And something else you see
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in the documentary that you will not hear talk about
in the Western media is these these white farmers in Zimbabwe.
This family that's been there for like six generations. Okay,
it's not like they're you know, they just showed up yesterday.
This this family of farmers, they have like one hundred
black people who live with them, work with them, they're
close with on the successful farm who rely on the
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farm for their families. They're getting paid and they're a
part of this and it goes well, and then we
guess what happens when the land redistribution happens. Government thugs
show up, they say this is our land. Now they
sell off all the farm equipment, they sell off everything,
They burn the house down, and now no one has
a job and no one has food. And that is
what happened in that country on scale, or rather in
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scale en masse. And it's worth it's worth noting for
those of you who want to see this. I'm telling
it's a really good documentary.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But Clay, we now have to address something and it
is not something that I ever thought would would come
up in quite this way. The Democrats are just furious
about America's warm embrace of African migrants into our great nation.
They all of a sudden have a problem with I
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thought we were a nation of immigrants. I thought that
everything was supposed to be this way, where we just
bring in people from wherever. Or in fact, they thought
it was supposed to be that people could just choose
to come, they could break our laws, they could just
show up. We all know what's going on here, and
it's very interesting because they're quite upset by this situation,
and it's because I think it shows a lot of
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the rot, the moral and intellectual rot that has completely
overtaken the Democrat Party and the left, and specifically on
issues relating to not just immigration but race. And this
is shown by the fact that they are so upset
over fifty white migrants showing up from South Africa. And
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the reason is that they're showing up because the government
of South Africa, which is now is black. I mean,
everyone who runs the country essentially is black, is being
racist to their white minority. And this is something that's
very hard for the Democrat mind to accept or comprehend.
How is it possible we have trained and told everybody
(22:05):
for so many years, Clay that white people are the
bad people whenever it comes to race relations, that any
injustice that occurs in the realm of race must be
white people doing it to somebody else. And this is
where this whole thing has turned into something of a farce,
because Democrats suddenly find themselves upset about the Scott Jennings,
(22:29):
who does, as we know, great work on CNN, he
pointed this out last night on CNN when they had
a panel on this this is cut nineteen. Listen it.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I do think it's not alleged discrimination that these people
are facing in South Africa. I mean, the law there
absolutely allows their property to be confiscated. They are subject
to racial discriminations, some have been subject to violence from
some reports that I have read. I mean we're talking
about fifty something people, and the people who seem to
be angriest about this today had no problem with twenty
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million coming here, some of the worst people in the
world coming here, including gang members and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I don't have a lot.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Of sympathy for the folks who are outraged today after
what happened to this country over the last several years
over fifty something people who are clearly being discriminated against
in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Clai, I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest
or CNN host, who would you rather have here, an
a legal MS thirteen gang member or a legal immigrant
from South Africa fleeing oppression who happens to be white.
I think we all know the answer. Yeah, it's not
a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of
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one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party
has they're racist against white people now as a huge
part of their base. They're also anti Semitic as a
huge part of their base. And this identity politics coalition
that we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency.
(23:57):
You talked about how Obama did not have any sort
of substantial sort of glow. He didn't have any ability
to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right,
his coattails did not actually drag very many other people
into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse
(24:18):
for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because
this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary
Clinton in twenty sixteen, and what did they argue? It's
her time, It's time for a woman to be president.
They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House.
Then they actually went back completely on it and went
(24:39):
with Joe Biden, the oldest, whitest, as we just said,
least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever
had in any of our lives, and they dragged him
across the finish line because buck I think they got
lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him
in the basement. Otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in
twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty four would they
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do They went back to the identity politics coalition and
they got stamped and they cannot escape it. Now they
have unleashed the crazy inside of their party, and the
crazy is of the opinion that white men were and
are the root evil of society. And then of course
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it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men,
because all of masculinity is now toxic and they do
not have anyone. They don't have anyone. This is where
I come back to again, who is a normal dude
in the Democrat Party? Who is just a guy that
you would like to have a beer with, that has
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in any way a prominent voice in the Democrat Party.
To me, this is all connected to the problem they had.
They recognized the issue. They tried to bring in a
guy like Tim Walls, But they are hemorrhaging support from
normal men all over the country. And I think a
lot of normal women have followed them too. But this
is profoundly a rebellion from the Democrat Party being led
(26:04):
by men such that remember Buck, they had Obama try
to lecture black men for not showing up and supporting
Kamala enough. Remember that right in the tail end of
the campaign they had Obama. Their big strategy on how
to turn out black men was to have Obama tell
all black men out there, hey, you're being a little
bit sexist because you're not supporting You're not supporting Kamala enough.
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All of this, I think is blowing up in their faces.
And I think when you see a story like this
out of South Africa, it is evidence. And I sent
to Greg we'll see when this clip comes in. But
on interviews, leaders in South Africa are basically saying, hey,
we need to kill more white people in the country. Well,
you're talking. There's a song that goes back to the
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days of apartheid, and it was it's they talk about
killing the boar, which is a reference to the Dutch
ancestry africaner farmers. And look, there was a repulsive and
immoral system of apartheid in South Africa and when it
was then removed, they unfortunately replaced it with something that
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it could have been a rule of law. Everyone has
treated equal democracy, but what they replaced it with was
a racial entitlement state. So certainly not as bad as
apartheid was, but still bad. I mean they still got bigger.
You know, you still have rules that disenfranchise the seven percent.
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You know, it's a small, pretty small minority of the country,
but the seven percent of the country that is white
explicitly so. And the country is having huge problems. I mean,
if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all
of the issues of governance for certainly the last thirty
years or so that you could measure in South Africa,
it the place is a mess. And they've got rolling blackouts.
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They literally can't get keep the lights on in this country.
And this was not something that had existed previously. So
they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems.
But bringing it back here for a second, why you know,
first of all, as you've pointed out, you know, Disney
like freaks out and doesn't want to have the baseball
(28:19):
game in Georgia or something, what was it again. I
know there's way over the Atlanta over the new Georgia
voting bill, which actually has increased the number of people
that are out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled
the All Star Game out of Atlanta, so so the
hint of the smallest injustice in this country that you
know affects people that the left cares about is a
(28:39):
national crisis. But an open policy of racial discrimination, which
is what it is in South Africa, we should be
opposed in principle because it is based in principle against
racial discrimination anywhere in any form. We just had to
have a reckoning with this in our own country where
the affirmative action policies that had been in place were racist,
(29:02):
They were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has
started to write that right, that wrong and clay the Democrats,
though they're so up. I actually watched this MSNBC panel
this morning on this here is this is twenty one.
They're angry that we took fifty South African migrants. They
(29:24):
really this is a big problem for them. Play twenty one.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulsive. These are the
descendants of the people who created the most diabolical system
of white supremacy in human history, apartheid. This is a
modern replacement theory in a country where, by the way,
white people make up seven percent of the population and
own seventy eight percent of the farmland. So Actually, there's
(29:47):
no injustice here. It's taking places away from refugees. We're
really being crushed by authoritarian governments and for these folks
who have never had anything happen to them. And Trump
amazingly called it a genocide, one of the worst lies
I've ever heard him say.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's just been a.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Small handful of farmers that have been killed over the
past ten years. No land has actually been expropriated. It's
just a forest and a sham and a moral ugliness.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's not a small handful of people that have been killed.
Start with that, okay, but beyond that, clay, So what
do they want to have happened here? Because what they
did in Zimbabwe, and this is why I brought it
up yesterday was land expropriation. It was okay, too many
white people here own land. We're taking it and we're
giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary,
Mugabe and the White African and we're giving it to
(30:34):
the people. You know, what happened the country started to
basically starve. I don't think they really want to go
down that route in South Africa, but they don't want
to say that because they don't want to actually have
to face the realities of the system that they are
presiding over. Listen to this. This is from June of
twenty eighteen, but I wanted to play it. This is
(30:54):
Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters.
In an interview, he says, I'm not calling right now
for the killing of white people. This is the kind
of environment that exists. This is a media interview, cut
thirty seven.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
I don't know what's going to OpenD in the future.
I'm saying to if not called for the killing of
white people, at least for now, I can't guarantee the future. Yeah,
but I mean you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as
it gets shared on.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Twitter, they freak out.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
It sounds like a genocidal ah crime. Babies, baby, I'm
not calling for the slats of white people, at least
for now. I can't give you guante of the future,
especially when things are going the way they are subtext especially,
I think if things are going the way they are,
there will be a revolution in this country.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I can tell you now, I'm not calling for the
execution of white people right now. And he doubles downward.
He's very clear he's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He's like, don't be a bit of that's what I'm saying,
not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that, you're
a cry baby, that is. And then there's also the
the thinging I meant to get to this, but I
got diverse of the singing of the song shoot the Boar,
(32:03):
you know, shoot the Farmer, which has been there's video
of that which is circulated from I mean, it's a
stadium full of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know,
forty thousand people or something, we're all singing shoot the
white people. And this is from the head of a
political party, right, So you know, if the head of
the libertarian party in this country was I'm just picking
a random party, but you know, if the head of
(32:24):
any party in this country was having rallies where they're
saying we're not calling for the execution of our fellow
citizens yet, or cheering and chanting about it, I think
people would have a problem with that. But you see,
Democrats always have to pretend, they have to pretend to
be the heroes and the civil rights struggles that they
had nothing to do with. And so whenever you bring
up South Africa, all they want to talk about is
(32:44):
South Africa from forty to fifty sixty years ago. Yeah,
they don't want to talk about South Africa today, which
is the problem.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck Deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I want you to listen to how crazy The answer
is here from this woman who he's debating. She says, well,
if they're not happy in South Africa, they should just
go back to the country that they came from hundreds
of years ago. Because I think this gets into a
really interesting question. At what point are you a native
of where you actually live? I would argue it's way
(33:19):
less than hundreds of years ago. But listen to this discussion.
She says, if they're not happy, they should just go
back to Germany or Holland or wherever. Listen.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Thirty five thirty plus years ago, they went through the
parties system ended and they reformed their constitution under the
great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a
racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.
But South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.
(33:48):
And part of that is that the people who are
native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That
is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happened,
which are the white Africa Cans and so who are
not originally from Africa who colonize South Africa also, and
so that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now,
(34:10):
if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have
their checks and balances in that land just like we do,
and that is for them to So if the Africaners
don't actually like the land, they can meet that country.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
They are they're leading com No, they can.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Actually even go to where their native land is, which
is probably Germany. Or you against in coming here, Holland, Holland,
are you against in coming here? I'm against the hypocrisy
of this inn.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think we can have a big discussion. It is
how I have to be careful that to curse. Sometimes
I listen to some of these cliffs go back to
their native land. Like if you say that in the
United States about somebody who's been here like ten years,
you are a crazy racist, right, go back to where
you came from. Yeah, minutes. If you're a trend Agua
(34:58):
gang banger who lies to authority, sneaks into the countries.
You can beat your wife in human traffic. The Libs
are like, he's as American as Thomas Jefferson. Hey, how
wild is this? They wanted to go back to Germany
and Holland for where they hundreds of years ago exposers.
(35:18):
There's a million ways to analyze this. Whatever it's anti
whiteness was made fashionable in the Democrat Party was mandatory
belief in the Democrat Party. And people say, well, what
about all the white people vote Democrat. Yeah, they're collaborators
with the ideology. They think that they're above it and
better than the other white people that have to be
constantly maligned and undermined. Fair question, because I do think
(35:39):
this is interesting. How long do you have to live
somewhere to be considered a native?
Speaker 8 (35:44):
I think if.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
People have been somewhere for I'm trying to the math them,
I had three hundred and fifty some odd years because
the Dutch East India Company landed in South Africa. By
the way they built the country too, there was no
country before there were warring African tribes. The Zulu tribe
was a conquering tribe that came one hundred and fifty
years after the Dutch arrived there. But no one knows history,
(36:10):
so you know whatever, it's like, oh, why don't we
give to give all of our land back to the Iroquois?
How about no, Yeah, the white South African should go
back to where they came from in the sixteen fifties,
like what a hundreds of years ago. This is like
me or you being like you should just go back
to Ireland or England, like what, I've been here for
(36:31):
hundreds of years. It's it's remarkable. And I mean just
imagine if you applied that to other people and the races,
for example, in this country, like go back. Have you
said to anybody go back to where you came from
in America and they were non white? It's a it's
a huge, huge scannel. But here we are on TV A,
CNN commentators like they could go back to I don't know,
(36:54):
I don't think the South Africans have spent a lot
of time in Germany that she's referring to. But just
go back with Germany and somebody else interjects holland you know, like, oh, oh,
that makes it easier. These people have been in South
Africa for hundreds of years. Well, this is an easy talkback.
We like this one. AA Jerome from Des Moines, Clay
and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything short
(37:16):
and sweet man. Thank you, you know, just a little
pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome.
Let's get back into this South Africa conversation here for
a second, because I thought this was also really interesting.
MSNBC's yamiche Al Sindor, who is very upset. This is
twenty two the notion that South Africans dec you know, Africaner,
(37:37):
white South Africans can assimilate well play twenty two.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white
South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as as
much as a security risk. That's really causing a lot
of people can be appalled, frankly. And I also to
tell people that there's violence that they're talking about that
are dealing with these Africaners. I've been hearing from people
that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's
a I think everybody of every single race.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean, that's a non sequitor at the end. But
let me just throw let me just throw this out
there Clay. Our whole immigration system is based on we
pick people for things that we think are worthy to
pick and that will be good. So things like being
able to speak English matters, Things like do you have
cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And
(38:26):
bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no
education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US
soil is illegal and then they immediately want their welfare,
which is what Biden did for four years, and it's
happened a lot before then too. That's actually not what
our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed
to happen. We just had the NBA draft yesterday, and
(38:46):
this is the argument written large that I would support
on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners
of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the
world and bringing them here, and a lot allowing our setup,
our foundational legal systems to let those people have more
success than they would otherwise be able to have in
(39:08):
their native country. I don't think we should be bringing
in people that are not highly skilled. This is my
argument for legal immigration, and it's the opposite of what
was happening there and what the Trump team, to my knowledge,
has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals
who will be immediately able to go to work and
(39:30):
provide tax paying support in the United States. And I
think most of you out there, regardless of where we're
bringing people in. Would I like to bring in more doctors, Yes,
I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained
doctors from other parts of the country. Would I like engineers,
Would I like incredibly talented software engineers. Would I like
(39:51):
all of the best experts in so many different fields
of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world
to be able to come here and found new companies
and be more successful. Yes, that is the first round
draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we
need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants. I
(40:13):
mean one thing, you know, I in my forthcoming book,
which will be out, it looks like January if next year.
The one of the chapters play I get into is
on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being
at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector,
and you sit there and you're looking, and you go on,
(40:33):
there's the reality on one side of the border, the
reality the other side of the border, and there's a
fence and you can see it in real time, and
you go on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime,
you know, all kinds of problems. On the other side,
it's like a beautiful nation. It's like a beautiful state park,
and you know, ten million dollar homes down the beach.
(40:55):
It's the same beach. The difference is the people there
and the political system that they have created. Right, I mean,
this is we have to get back down to a
very very basic understanding of reality here. And VIP email
from Ron, which I think is excellently he says, this
woman meeting a CNN commentator has no clue what she's
talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa, there
(41:18):
were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus,
which as I said this, were much further north. The
other tribe in the area where the Bantu, who are
with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did
not have cities, they did not have towns. They were
essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part, But
that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were
(41:40):
no settlements, The Dutch made South Africa and settled where
there weren't actually people. The Afrikaaners are the original natives
in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a
power yet. So the land mass of Africa, we are
to believe inherently belongs to people, the entire land mass
of so of you know, darker skin because and what's
(42:05):
fascinating about this is you say, okay, well you're gonna
have to explain that to the whole Northern African contingent
that are Arab Muslims that came as part of waves
of conquest. By the way, like we could play this
game all day, how long do you have to be
somewhere to be considered a native is a really difficult
question for people who want to argue against argue colonies
(42:25):
and colonizers. Let me just point this out. If you
believe human migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we
all in some way are native to Africa. So all
these individuals would be is doing a return to their
ancestral homeland when they came from Holland or wherever in
Europe back to Africa. Let me ask you a fun one.
(42:47):
Are the Palestinians native to Palestine. No, they are not
not under these rules. They at first there is no
there is no Palestine. But put that aside. Were they
in the region, No, Lily, we're not in the region.
It was Greek settlement and then it was and Jewish.
But I'm just saying, I mean the Mediterranean basin ancient
(43:09):
Greece and Jews and Phoenicians. And guess what they were
Arab invaders who showed up and brought Islam and decided, Hey,
we're going to replace the holiness in this city with
our own stuff. So are they Are they original?
Speaker 5 (43:24):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Actually, well it's just around since the seventh century. Man,
they're late to the game. But yet it's their land.
Well it's just so arbitrary, right, like when you are
going to decide when is a land claim valid and
when is it not valid?
Speaker 7 (43:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And historically everyone is from Africa, right, so all you're
doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning
to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd
because if you say, like you're a native New Yorker,
Everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life you have spent in
New York. I'm a Native Tennessee and I've spent most
(44:01):
of my life in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but
our lives are relatively short periods. But this is why
you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd
also just point out that, I mean, you look at
something like the US, the US, you know, expansion into
the West and the birth of Texas, and you know
who was fighting with us against bands of Comanche raiders
(44:24):
for example, other Native tribes that they had dispossessed from
their land and in some cases murdered, mutilated, and enslaved. Yeah,
that's right. They were all fighting each other here, and
they built no cities, and they had no written language,
and some of them were so ticked off at the
others that they joined the white guys to hunt down
their hated enemies because they stole their land. I mean,
(44:44):
do research on the French and Indian War, Like they
allied with the French to kill a lot of us, right,
I mean, but historically, yes, your point is there were
many different native tribes that have been fighting for generations.
We got here a Maria is thankfully the greatest country
that's ever existed in the history of the world. But
(45:05):
it is funny to me that, oh, you can tell
the South African white people go back to your country
on CNN, and they've been there hundreds of years. But this, fundamentally,
this is just exposing the anti whiteness that is a
central organizing belief of the American left and the Democrat Party.
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Welcome to Clay and Bucks Deep Dive podcast. Taking an
issue and going a little deeper so you cad too.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
A story that Trump has also put into the news
cycle here has to do with the resettling of some
refugees from South Africa. Now, the administration had spoken about
this before Trump signed an EO on this, and it's
very interesting to see the objections to this. I want
to spend a little time on this, Clay, because I
think this is a fascinating issue. And let me just
(00:58):
tell you, first off, I think fifty of them have
been are in the process five zero five zero, Okay,
on in the process of being resettled. I think, you know,
we've seen that guy tied to MS thirteen. He had
like eight people in the car when the cops pulled
them aside at Brego Garcia, and they were saying that
the police said they believed that he was a human trafficker.
(01:20):
Fifty people is not a lot of people. But the
media is very very iffy on this, very concerned about this,
A lot of questions all of a sudden, after ten
plus million people piled into the country, falsely claiming by
the numbers, go look at the court cases. Over ninety
percent of them not actually worth or you know, should
(01:41):
not get asylum, not actually people deserving of asylum. Fifty
South Africans show up, and there's a problem with this
because they're white, and you say, you sit here, you
go hold on it. So is our policy that you
can't be a white refugee. That certainly would have been
news to a lot a lot of Ashkenazi Jews during
(02:01):
the Second World War, like you can't be a white refugee.
This is Trump speaking about this play twenty five.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I
understand sometime next week, and you know we're supposed to
have a guess, a G twenty meeting there or something,
But we're having a G twenty meeting. I don't know
how we can go unless that situation's taken care of.
But it's a genocide that's taking place that you people
don't want to write about. But it's a terrible thing
that's taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen
(02:29):
to be white. But whether they're white or black makes
no difference to me. But white farmers are being brutally
killed and their land is being confiscated in South Africa,
and the newspapers and the media, television media doesn't even
talk about it. If it were the other way around,
they talk about it, that would be the only story
they talk about. I don't care who they are. I
don't care about their race, their color, I don't care
(02:50):
about their height, their weight, I don't care about anything.
I just know that what's happening is terrible. To have
people that live in South Africa. They say it's a
terrible situation taking place, So we've essentially extended citizenship to
those people.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Play The media has generally written more skeptical and even
critical coverage of fifty white South five zero white South
Africans being resettled in this country under refuge under refugee
status than they did for four years of Biden. With
ten plus million illegals being cartel human traffics across the border,
(03:25):
what is going on? I think, I mean, I think
we know what's going on totally. And look, this goes
into We talked about what an incredible weekend Trump had
in so many different positive results, and we should mention basically,
the stock market is now back at the price that
it was in January. Stock price is surging today, and
(03:46):
I hope that a lot of you did not buy
into that fear that they tried to drive. Oh, the
stock market's going to collapse, the government, you know that
our economy is going to collapse, all that stuff. We
told you to stay calm, either buy more if you
have the ability to do it, or at least hold
on to your stocks. I hope you guys did. I
hope you didn't let the panic get to you. But
(04:06):
the thing that they're not talking about at all, to
your point, Buck, the southern border is one of the
biggest successes that I can remember any president ever saying
I will fix it. We hear a lot from politicians
who basically make a living saying I will fix it,
and then they get into office and nothing really changes.
(04:27):
Can you remember in one hundred days, and it even
took less than one hundred days, It only took thirty.
Can you remember anything that a president has ever fixed
faster than what Trump did at the border? Such that
nobody even talks about it now, It's just it was
a huge story. It was a huge concern of the
American people going into this last election. As we know,
(04:49):
right alongside the economy, it was really one and two
economy one, border two, and some polls border could even
outstrip the economy depends because the border of the economy
are tied together too. There's a lot of these things
are seen side by side. But remember it's not just
clay that he fixed it so quickly. It's that he
came in and fixed it so quickly. And the previous
(05:10):
occupant of the Oval Office had spent four years, through
his surrogates and through the media telling us it's so hard,
it's so complicated, we can't do anything to fix this,
which was always a lie, because of course they could.
One of the biggest changes isn't just the enforcement mechanisms
at the border. It is that what do we say
(05:30):
a million times to your Clay, We talked about the border.
It's about the incentives. If you think you can get
in and stay, a lot of people will come. People
Now think, hold on a second, Do I want to
pay a coyote five, ten, fifteen grand? Do I want
to deal with the cartels and show up in Mexico
(05:50):
and spend time in an immigration facility in America and
all this stuff? If I don't think I'm gonna get
to stay them, I get sent home. Completely changes the calculation.
But I did want to bring us back Clay to
Why is there such I mean, here's the Associated Press
seen a reporting on this. Episcopal Church says it will
not help resettle white South Africans granted refugee status in
(06:13):
the US. Piscical Church's migration service is refusing a directive
from the federal government to help resettle white South Africans
granted refugee status, citing the church's long standing commitment to
racial justice and reconciliation. Presiding Bishop Rowe announced that after
forty nine South Africans departed their homeland bound for New
(06:35):
homes in the US, Episcopal migration ministries will halt its
decades long partnership with the government. The Episcopal Church is
refusing to help with after forty years of oh yeah,
give it. You know, anybody will help anybody come into
this place and resettle them. They won't help these South
(06:56):
Africans be resettled. They are subject to state sponsor nother. See.
This is why this is so Hold on what's going
on in South Africa. You start to look at this,
what's happening in South Africa, Clay, South Africa is actually
a it has become a sort of final stage, you know,
affirmative action state, if you will, where they have actual
(07:19):
hard quotas so that you know, companies, like the board
of a company has to be eighty five percent black,
and you know the employees of a company have to
be eighty five whatever I'm making up the numbers. It's
something like that. And the government also is constantly flirting
with more ways to take land from white farmers in
(07:39):
that country, and this has caused a tremendous amount of dysfunction.
The government is insanely corrupt by the way it has
economically been reduced to a horrible rate of growth, and
there's a lot of poverty and crime and all these things,
but there is open racial discrimination by the state. That's
what it is. Our own comp our own Supreme Court
(08:01):
said you actually can't do this in Harvard Admissions. Well,
you also shouldn't be able to do this anywhere else.
You shouldn't be able to discriminate on the basis of race.
And that's why there's such an outrage here to bringing
fifty five zero white South Africans into this country under
refugee status because they are being discriminated against. This country
is so unsafe that they don't make women stop at
(08:26):
red lights after dark in many parts of the country.
I mean, think about how unfortunate that is. Any country
where you just say and everybody just kind of accepts it, Hey,
if you're driving at night and you're a woman, you
don't have to stop at a red light is a
country that has been completely taken over by criminal elements.
(08:47):
And it's unfortunate that that has occurred. And you know,
I know when they had the World Cup, the amount
of security that was required for the teams was the charts.
They basically put all of the different teams at the
World Cup that South Africa hosted behind prison, you know,
(09:09):
walls almost in many ways to keep them from being
able to even go out in many parts of the
country because they were so concerned about the safety of
the players from all the different countries. That's a sign
obviously that things have fallen apart. And I think it's
gotten worse there in terms of safety for all people since,
and it is unfortunate and the fact that you would
(09:34):
make that the focal point. Again, the point is, none
of the successes get talked about, and anything that they
can put in a negative light becomes a huge part
of the focus.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Here's how this issue is covered. For example, at the
New York Times. I want you I'm gonna read this
so you know exactly and this was let me see, yeah,
this is about a year or two ago New York Times.
Kill the Bore Bore is a reference to white South
Africans kill the boor song fuels backlash in South Africa
and US. Right wing commenters claim that an old apartheid
(10:12):
chant is a call to anti white violence, but historians
and the left wing politicians who embrace it say don't
take it literally. They have songs in stadiums about killing
the white people in their country, and they're allowed to
chant and sing this, and The New York Times is like,
hold on, everybody, maybe we just shouldn't take it literally.
(10:34):
And given what's going on in the country, it's not
like everyone's getting along great and the country's functioning really well,
and yet they will take that position on this. I
just think what you see here is that we have
the left in this country has decided that our immigration
policy is first and foremost about taking people from the
impoverished third world nations that are non white, and that
(10:55):
that is actually the focus of our immigration because otherwise,
why fifth fifty migrants fifty migrants is I saw three
hundred migrants coming into the US at one time across
the border. Fifty migrants. We took ten million illegals in
four years. So yeah, it's kind of amazing what the
focal point is. And that's now been stopped, and so
(11:16):
this becomes a story. Clay Stephen Miller makes the case
here for why taking some refugees from South Africa actually
fits the definition of what a refugee is, unlike what's
been going on on our southern border. Play thirteen.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What's happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of
why the refugee program was created. This is persecution based
on a protected characteristic, in this case race. This is
race based persecution. The refugee program is not intended as
a solution for global poverty, and historically it has been
used that way. Wherever there's global poverty or wherever there's
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dysfunctional governments, then the US refugee program in comes in.
It soooks people up globe, they relocates them to America,
and you have multigener problems even into the second and
third generation. You have endemic poverty, you have prime issues,
you have integration issues. The US refugee program in America
has been a catastrophic failure. I mean if you look
(12:12):
for example at the Twin Cities area, I mean just
in terms of the markers of educational outcomes, in terms
of public safety, in terms of welfare use, and it's
been a complete public policy failure. And so this is
an example of the President. We're turning the refugee program
to what it was intended to be used.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
As a refugee program that takes in refugees, as in
people who need refuge in your country because they are
under threat because of who they are. They can't change.
There's nothing they can do. It's either their skin color,
or their religion or their political party. This is what
a refugee program actually is.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Claim.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But yeah, people show I mean to Clay, I saw this.
They show up at the border. They have these wristbands on.
You can see piles and piles on border has all this,
you know, photos and footage of this of the wristbands
to show, Oh, I've paid off the cartel. Don't worry.
The cartel's already got their human trafficking money from me.
Tom Holman talks about the horrible stuff that goes on
at our southern border too because of the cartels and
(13:13):
with like young girls and women. It's it's it's absolutely
horrific and it's systematic and that's been you know, the
sex crimes and against very young girls. The cartels do
this and and there's no you, no accountability on that
side of the border, and they're not going to get caught.
All this horrible stuff that's going on, and Biden doesn't
do it's not even didn't let the finger to stop it.
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That was the decision they made. That was the price
of doing business for the Biden border policy was all
the horrible stuff and the murderers who came in this
country and all this, but fifty white South Africans who
are like, you know, my country doesn't really want me
anymore and treats me terribly because of I can't do
anything about it. It's because I am white. I was
born this way. And the media clearly has a problem
(13:57):
with it, and people at the Episcopal Church is a
problem with it. I mean that that was a real, real,
you know shock, And I would just say this though,
as a South Florida guy. Now, people who have people
who have been welcomed lawfully into America by the American community,
who have fled tyranny. In the case of South Florida,
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it's fled Castro's communism, and you know, people who fled
the Khmer rouge and Paul Pot and Cambodia, people who
I believe now are going to be fleeing the race
based targeting that goes on in South Africa. They make
great Americans because they really true of a lot of
people in the former Soviet Union too. They see what
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can go wrong in a country that does not have freedom,
that does not treat people equally based on you know,
the same, irrespective of skin color, irrespective of religion. They
really appreciate this place, and that's what we want from
a refugee program. We don't want people who are like
I can make more money here and send remittances back
home and I'm not going to learn the language. And
America owes this to me because this is what people
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tell me at the border. That's what we don't want.
By the way, Greg, and South Dakota says a lot
of the people farming around him are South African too.
I think he wants to weigh in and tell us
about that his story as well. Greg, what have you
got for us?
Speaker 6 (15:13):
What is your experience that farm in South Dakota and
we hire a custom harvester out of Minnesota and he
brings in every year eighty two one hundred South Africans
on that. I don't is it HG one whatever that
or the HB one whatever the h Yeah. Well, anyway,
visiting with those guys back in twenty sixteen, they were
(15:37):
such pro Trump people when he got elected, and they
told the horror stories about it. That one guy has
had a friend who they went out to his friend's farm.
They took him and his wife and his two daughters captive.
They they cut both arms and both legs off of him,
and what made him watch him die while they raise
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his wife and his daughters, and they talked about these
things going on, horrendous things that you just can't comprehend
being here where we're at. And yet these people I
have never come across people who are so appreciative of
what you do for them. They're such Christian young men.
(16:20):
They can make more in the United States working here
in one month than they can a full year back
in South Africa, and they send their money back. That's
what it's that's what they're here for. And this morning,
when I heard President Trump on the TV at the
White House talking about it, I called two or three
of them this morning again and visited with them. And
they're here right now. And one guy left his wife
(16:43):
and two daughters. This is the fifth year he's been here.
And my son said to him last year, the crew
and we always meet every morning. And when the day
was when the harvest was over, we said to the
one guy that said, you just you just don't know
how much we appreciate you. Young men, and they said,
I said, to come halfway around the world. You don't
know what you're coming to. And the young guy said
(17:04):
to us, he goes, sir, we have to come halfway
around the world to be appreciated. I did not know
how to respond to that. I just yeah, wow, yeah,
but it.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Perspective as well. You know, for those of you who
are are are curious. Uh, there's a there's a documentary.
Now this is about Zimbabwe, not South Africa, but there
was there has been a similar redistribution program of the
land in effect there uh and and a lot of
pressures on it. And it's called uh Mugabe and the
(17:38):
White African It's a documentary. You know, PBS has it.
It was Clay it was Have you ever seen this
was filmed filmed clandestinely, so it's it's all it's real footage.
And it's a white farmer in Zimbabwe next door under
Mugabe dealing with the land redistribution program, which the world says, oh,
but that's only fair because there's so many more black
(17:58):
people than white people in Zimba and so yeah, what
it means is that government thugs show up and like
threatened to kill you. And rape your wife unless you
hand over your land. That's actually what it means, and
it's state policy, and that was next door. It hasn't
gotten you know, it hasn't gotten the attention that you
would think it would. And I think it's because so
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many in this country have adopted this narrative that racism
can't be against white people, and that's really what this
all comes down to. And of course a can racism
can be against any person based on their race. And
by the way, I do know the economic result of
that in Zimbabwe was the entire economy in the country
collapsed because some of the most productive parts of Zimbabwe
(18:39):
were agricultural and it probably won't surprise you that when
the government got involved and took over the land, the
actual success of the farming industry collapsed. So it wasn't
just you were taking the land, it was you were
destroying the jobs created by the land that was helping
to feed the people of Zimbabwe. And what and what
by the way, Zimbabwe, I mean, Mugabe and the and
(19:01):
the White African is a fantastic documentary and it did
not get as much attention in this country as it should.
By the way, anyone who watches it. It is very powerful,
It is very well done, and it is haunting, and
you know, I think in the end he testifies at
the Hague. Anyway, I don't I don' want to like
give away stuff, but you should watch it if you
(19:21):
want to know kind of what happens in some of
these places where they don't adhere to the principle that
all men are created equal. You can see exactly what
goes on. It is really really good documentary. So I
would just I would recommend that to you. But Clay,
to your point, Zimbabwe was was considered the bread basket
of Africa and then it turned into a place with
hyperinflation and can't feed itself. And something else you see
(19:43):
in the documentary that you will not hear talk about
in the Western media is these these white farmers in Zimbabwe.
This family that's been there for like six generations. Okay,
it's not like they're you know, they just showed up yesterday.
This this family of farmers, they have like one hundred
black people who live with them, work with them, they're
close with on the successful farm who rely on the
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farm for their families. They're getting paid and they're a
part of this and it goes well, and then we
guess what happens when the land redistribution happens. Government thugs
show up, they say this is our land. Now they
sell off all the farm equipment, they sell off everything,
They burn the house down, and now no one has
a job and no one has food. And that is
what happened in that country on scale, or rather in
(20:27):
scale en masse. And it's worth it's worth noting for
those of you who want to see this. I'm telling
it's a really good documentary.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
This is a Clay and Buck deep dive podcast.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
But Clay, we now have to address something and it
is not something that I ever thought would would come
up in quite this way. The Democrats are just furious
about America's warm embrace of African migrants into our great nation.
They all of a sudden have a problem with I
(20:57):
thought we were a nation of immigrants. I thought that
everything was supposed to be this way, where we just
bring in people from wherever. Or in fact, they thought
it was supposed to be that people could just choose
to come, they could break our laws, they could just
show up. We all know what's going on here, and
it's very interesting because they're quite upset by this situation,
and it's because I think it shows a lot of
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the rot, the moral and intellectual rot that has completely
overtaken the Democrat Party and the left, and specifically on
issues relating to not just immigration but race. And this
is shown by the fact that they are so upset
over fifty white migrants showing up from South Africa. And
(21:43):
the reason is that they're showing up because the government
of South Africa, which is now is black. I mean,
everyone who runs the country essentially is black, is being
racist to their white minority. And this is something that's
very hard for the Democrat mind to accept or comprehend.
How is it possible we have trained and told everybody
(22:05):
for so many years, Clay that white people are the
bad people whenever it comes to race relations, that any
injustice that occurs in the realm of race must be
white people doing it to somebody else. And this is
where this whole thing has turned into something of a farce,
because Democrats suddenly find themselves upset about the Scott Jennings,
(22:29):
who does, as we know, great work on CNN, he
pointed this out last night on CNN when they had
a panel on this this is cut nineteen. Listen it.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I do think it's not alleged discrimination that these people
are facing in South Africa. I mean, the law there
absolutely allows their property to be confiscated. They are subject
to racial discriminations, some have been subject to violence from
some reports that I have read. I mean we're talking
about fifty something people, and the people who seem to
be angriest about this today had no problem with twenty
(22:56):
million coming here, some of the worst people in the
world coming here, including gang members and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I don't have a lot.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Of sympathy for the folks who are outraged today after
what happened to this country over the last several years
over fifty something people who are clearly being discriminated against
in South Africa.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Clai, I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest
or CNN host, who would you rather have here, an
a legal MS thirteen gang member or a legal immigrant
from South Africa fleeing oppression who happens to be white.
I think we all know the answer. Yeah, it's not
a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of
(23:36):
one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party
has they're racist against white people now as a huge
part of their base. They're also anti Semitic as a
huge part of their base. And this identity politics coalition
that we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency.
(23:57):
You talked about how Obama did not have any sort
of substantial sort of glow. He didn't have any ability
to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right,
his coattails did not actually drag very many other people
into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse
(24:18):
for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because
this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary
Clinton in twenty sixteen, and what did they argue? It's
her time, It's time for a woman to be president.
They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House.
Then they actually went back completely on it and went
(24:39):
with Joe Biden, the oldest, whitest, as we just said,
least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever
had in any of our lives, and they dragged him
across the finish line because buck I think they got
lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him
in the basement. Otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in
twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty four would they
(24:59):
do They went back to the identity politics coalition and
they got stamped and they cannot escape it. Now they
have unleashed the crazy inside of their party, and the
crazy is of the opinion that white men were and
are the root evil of society. And then of course
(25:21):
it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men,
because all of masculinity is now toxic and they do
not have anyone. They don't have anyone. This is where
I come back to again, who is a normal dude
in the Democrat Party? Who is just a guy that
you would like to have a beer with, that has
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in any way a prominent voice in the Democrat Party.
To me, this is all connected to the problem they had.
They recognized the issue. They tried to bring in a
guy like Tim Walls, But they are hemorrhaging support from
normal men all over the country. And I think a
lot of normal women have followed them too. But this
is profoundly a rebellion from the Democrat Party being led
(26:04):
by men such that remember Buck, they had Obama try
to lecture black men for not showing up and supporting
Kamala enough. Remember that right in the tail end of
the campaign they had Obama. Their big strategy on how
to turn out black men was to have Obama tell
all black men out there, hey, you're being a little
bit sexist because you're not supporting You're not supporting Kamala enough.
(26:27):
All of this, I think is blowing up in their faces.
And I think when you see a story like this
out of South Africa, it is evidence. And I sent
to Greg we'll see when this clip comes in. But
on interviews, leaders in South Africa are basically saying, hey,
we need to kill more white people in the country. Well,
you're talking. There's a song that goes back to the
(26:50):
days of apartheid, and it was it's they talk about
killing the boar, which is a reference to the Dutch
ancestry africaner farmers. And look, there was a repulsive and
immoral system of apartheid in South Africa and when it
was then removed, they unfortunately replaced it with something that
(27:14):
it could have been a rule of law. Everyone has
treated equal democracy, but what they replaced it with was
a racial entitlement state. So certainly not as bad as
apartheid was, but still bad. I mean they still got bigger.
You know, you still have rules that disenfranchise the seven percent.
(27:36):
You know, it's a small, pretty small minority of the country,
but the seven percent of the country that is white
explicitly so. And the country is having huge problems. I mean,
if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all
of the issues of governance for certainly the last thirty
years or so that you could measure in South Africa,
it the place is a mess. And they've got rolling blackouts.
(27:59):
They literally can't get keep the lights on in this country.
And this was not something that had existed previously. So
they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems.
But bringing it back here for a second, why you know,
first of all, as you've pointed out, you know, Disney
like freaks out and doesn't want to have the baseball
(28:19):
game in Georgia or something, what was it again. I
know there's way over the Atlanta over the new Georgia
voting bill, which actually has increased the number of people
that are out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled
the All Star Game out of Atlanta, so so the
hint of the smallest injustice in this country that you
know affects people that the left cares about is a
(28:39):
national crisis. But an open policy of racial discrimination, which
is what it is in South Africa, we should be
opposed in principle because it is based in principle against
racial discrimination anywhere in any form. We just had to
have a reckoning with this in our own country where
the affirmative action policies that had been in place were racist,
(29:02):
They were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has
started to write that right, that wrong and clay the Democrats,
though they're so up. I actually watched this MSNBC panel
this morning on this here is this is twenty one.
They're angry that we took fifty South African migrants. They
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really this is a big problem for them. Play twenty one.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulsive. These are the
descendants of the people who created the most diabolical system
of white supremacy in human history, apartheid. This is a
modern replacement theory in a country where, by the way,
white people make up seven percent of the population and
own seventy eight percent of the farmland. So Actually, there's
(29:47):
no injustice here. It's taking places away from refugees. We're
really being crushed by authoritarian governments and for these folks
who have never had anything happen to them. And Trump
amazingly called it a genocide, one of the worst lies
I've ever heard him say.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
There's just been a.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Small handful of farmers that have been killed over the
past ten years. No land has actually been expropriated. It's
just a forest and a sham and a moral ugliness.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's not a small handful of people that have been killed.
Start with that, okay, but beyond that, clay, So what
do they want to have happened here? Because what they
did in Zimbabwe, and this is why I brought it
up yesterday was land expropriation. It was okay, too many
white people here own land. We're taking it and we're
giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary,
Mugabe and the White African and we're giving it to
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the people. You know, what happened the country started to
basically starve. I don't think they really want to go
down that route in South Africa, but they don't want
to say that because they don't want to actually have
to face the realities of the system that they are
presiding over. Listen to this. This is from June of
twenty eighteen, but I wanted to play it. This is
(30:54):
Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters.
In an interview, he says, I'm not calling right now
for the killing of white people. This is the kind
of environment that exists. This is a media interview, cut
thirty seven.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
I don't know what's going to OpenD in the future.
I'm saying to if not called for the killing of
white people, at least for now, I can't guarantee the future. Yeah,
but I mean you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as
it gets shared on.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Twitter, they freak out.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
It sounds like a genocidal ah crime. Babies, baby, I'm
not calling for the slats of white people, at least
for now. I can't give you guante of the future,
especially when things are going the way they are subtext especially,
I think if things are going the way they are,
there will be a revolution in this country.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I can tell you now, I'm not calling for the
execution of white people right now. And he doubles downward.
He's very clear he's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He's like, don't be a bit of that's what I'm saying,
not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that, you're
a cry baby, that is. And then there's also the
the thinging I meant to get to this, but I
got diverse of the singing of the song shoot the Boar,
(32:03):
you know, shoot the Farmer, which has been there's video
of that which is circulated from I mean, it's a
stadium full of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know,
forty thousand people or something, we're all singing shoot the
white people. And this is from the head of a
political party, right, So you know, if the head of
the libertarian party in this country was I'm just picking
a random party, but you know, if the head of
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any party in this country was having rallies where they're
saying we're not calling for the execution of our fellow
citizens yet, or cheering and chanting about it, I think
people would have a problem with that. But you see,
Democrats always have to pretend, they have to pretend to
be the heroes and the civil rights struggles that they
had nothing to do with. And so whenever you bring
up South Africa, all they want to talk about is
(32:44):
South Africa from forty to fifty sixty years ago. Yeah,
they don't want to talk about South Africa today, which
is the problem.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You're listening to a special Clay and Buck Deep Dive podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I want you to listen to how crazy The answer
is here from this woman who he's debating. She says, well,
if they're not happy in South Africa, they should just
go back to the country that they came from hundreds
of years ago. Because I think this gets into a
really interesting question. At what point are you a native
of where you actually live? I would argue it's way
(33:19):
less than hundreds of years ago. But listen to this discussion.
She says, if they're not happy, they should just go
back to Germany or Holland or wherever. Listen.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Thirty five thirty plus years ago, they went through the
parties system ended and they reformed their constitution under the
great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a
racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.
But South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.
(33:48):
And part of that is that the people who are
native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That
is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happened,
which are the white Africa Cans and so who are
not originally from Africa who colonize South Africa also, and
so that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now,
(34:10):
if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have
their checks and balances in that land just like we do,
and that is for them to So if the Africaners
don't actually like the land, they can meet that country.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
They are they're leading com No, they can.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Actually even go to where their native land is, which
is probably Germany. Or you against in coming here, Holland, Holland,
are you against in coming here? I'm against the hypocrisy
of this inn.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I think we can have a big discussion. It is
how I have to be careful that to curse. Sometimes
I listen to some of these cliffs go back to
their native land. Like if you say that in the
United States about somebody who's been here like ten years,
you are a crazy racist, right, go back to where
you came from. Yeah, minutes. If you're a trend Agua
(34:58):
gang banger who lies to authority, sneaks into the countries.
You can beat your wife in human traffic. The Libs
are like, he's as American as Thomas Jefferson. Hey, how
wild is this? They wanted to go back to Germany
and Holland for where they hundreds of years ago exposers.
(35:18):
There's a million ways to analyze this. Whatever it's anti
whiteness was made fashionable in the Democrat Party was mandatory
belief in the Democrat Party. And people say, well, what
about all the white people vote Democrat. Yeah, they're collaborators
with the ideology. They think that they're above it and
better than the other white people that have to be
constantly maligned and undermined. Fair question, because I do think
(35:39):
this is interesting. How long do you have to live
somewhere to be considered a native?
Speaker 8 (35:44):
I think if.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
People have been somewhere for I'm trying to the math them,
I had three hundred and fifty some odd years because
the Dutch East India Company landed in South Africa. By
the way they built the country too, there was no
country before there were warring African tribes. The Zulu tribe
was a conquering tribe that came one hundred and fifty
years after the Dutch arrived there. But no one knows history,
(36:10):
so you know whatever, it's like, oh, why don't we
give to give all of our land back to the Iroquois?
How about no, Yeah, the white South African should go
back to where they came from in the sixteen fifties,
like what a hundreds of years ago. This is like
me or you being like you should just go back
to Ireland or England, like what, I've been here for
(36:31):
hundreds of years. It's it's remarkable. And I mean just
imagine if you applied that to other people and the races,
for example, in this country, like go back. Have you
said to anybody go back to where you came from
in America and they were non white? It's a it's
a huge, huge scannel. But here we are on TV A,
CNN commentators like they could go back to I don't know,
(36:54):
I don't think the South Africans have spent a lot
of time in Germany that she's referring to. But just
go back with Germany and somebody else interjects holland you know, like, oh, oh,
that makes it easier. These people have been in South
Africa for hundreds of years. Well, this is an easy talkback.
We like this one. AA Jerome from Des Moines, Clay
and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything short
(37:16):
and sweet man. Thank you, you know, just a little
pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome.
Let's get back into this South Africa conversation here for
a second, because I thought this was also really interesting.
MSNBC's yamiche Al Sindor, who is very upset. This is
twenty two the notion that South Africans dec you know, Africaner,
(37:37):
white South Africans can assimilate well play twenty two.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white
South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as as
much as a security risk. That's really causing a lot
of people can be appalled, frankly. And I also to
tell people that there's violence that they're talking about that
are dealing with these Africaners. I've been hearing from people
that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's
a I think everybody of every single race.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean, that's a non sequitor at the end. But
let me just throw let me just throw this out
there Clay. Our whole immigration system is based on we
pick people for things that we think are worthy to
pick and that will be good. So things like being
able to speak English matters, Things like do you have
cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And
(38:26):
bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no
education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US
soil is illegal and then they immediately want their welfare,
which is what Biden did for four years, and it's
happened a lot before then too. That's actually not what
our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed
to happen. We just had the NBA draft yesterday, and
(38:46):
this is the argument written large that I would support
on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners
of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the
world and bringing them here, and a lot allowing our setup,
our foundational legal systems to let those people have more
success than they would otherwise be able to have in
(39:08):
their native country. I don't think we should be bringing
in people that are not highly skilled. This is my
argument for legal immigration, and it's the opposite of what
was happening there and what the Trump team, to my knowledge,
has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals
who will be immediately able to go to work and
(39:30):
provide tax paying support in the United States. And I
think most of you out there, regardless of where we're
bringing people in. Would I like to bring in more doctors, Yes,
I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained
doctors from other parts of the country. Would I like engineers,
Would I like incredibly talented software engineers. Would I like
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all of the best experts in so many different fields
of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world
to be able to come here and found new companies
and be more successful. Yes, that is the first round
draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we
need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants. I
(40:13):
mean one thing, you know, I in my forthcoming book,
which will be out, it looks like January if next year.
The one of the chapters play I get into is
on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being
at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector,
and you sit there and you're looking, and you go on,
(40:33):
there's the reality on one side of the border, the
reality the other side of the border, and there's a
fence and you can see it in real time, and
you go on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime,
you know, all kinds of problems. On the other side,
it's like a beautiful nation. It's like a beautiful state park,
and you know, ten million dollar homes down the beach.
(40:55):
It's the same beach. The difference is the people there
and the political system that they have created. Right, I mean,
this is we have to get back down to a
very very basic understanding of reality here. And VIP email
from Ron, which I think is excellently he says, this
woman meeting a CNN commentator has no clue what she's
talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa, there
(41:18):
were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus,
which as I said this, were much further north. The
other tribe in the area where the Bantu, who are
with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did
not have cities, they did not have towns. They were
essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part, But
that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were
(41:40):
no settlements, The Dutch made South Africa and settled where
there weren't actually people. The Afrikaaners are the original natives
in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a
power yet. So the land mass of Africa, we are
to believe inherently belongs to people, the entire land mass
of so of you know, darker skin because and what's
(42:05):
fascinating about this is you say, okay, well you're gonna
have to explain that to the whole Northern African contingent
that are Arab Muslims that came as part of waves
of conquest. By the way, like we could play this
game all day, how long do you have to be
somewhere to be considered a native is a really difficult
question for people who want to argue against argue colonies
(42:25):
and colonizers. Let me just point this out. If you
believe human migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we
all in some way are native to Africa. So all
these individuals would be is doing a return to their
ancestral homeland when they came from Holland or wherever in
Europe back to Africa. Let me ask you a fun one.
(42:47):
Are the Palestinians native to Palestine. No, they are not
not under these rules. They at first there is no
there is no Palestine. But put that aside. Were they
in the region, No, Lily, we're not in the region.
It was Greek settlement and then it was and Jewish.
But I'm just saying, I mean the Mediterranean basin ancient
(43:09):
Greece and Jews and Phoenicians. And guess what they were
Arab invaders who showed up and brought Islam and decided, Hey,
we're going to replace the holiness in this city with
our own stuff. So are they Are they original?
Speaker 5 (43:24):
No, they're not.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Actually, well it's just around since the seventh century. Man,
they're late to the game. But yet it's their land.
Well it's just so arbitrary, right, like when you are
going to decide when is a land claim valid and
when is it not valid?
Speaker 7 (43:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And historically everyone is from Africa, right, so all you're
doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning
to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd
because if you say, like you're a native New Yorker,
Everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life you have spent in
New York. I'm a Native Tennessee and I've spent most
(44:01):
of my life in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but
our lives are relatively short periods. But this is why
you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd
also just point out that, I mean, you look at
something like the US, the US, you know, expansion into
the West and the birth of Texas, and you know
who was fighting with us against bands of Comanche raiders
(44:24):
for example, other Native tribes that they had dispossessed from
their land and in some cases murdered, mutilated, and enslaved. Yeah,
that's right. They were all fighting each other here, and
they built no cities, and they had no written language,
and some of them were so ticked off at the
others that they joined the white guys to hunt down
their hated enemies because they stole their land. I mean,
(44:44):
do research on the French and Indian War, Like they
allied with the French to kill a lot of us, right,
I mean, but historically, yes, your point is there were
many different native tribes that have been fighting for generations.
We got here a Maria is thankfully the greatest country
that's ever existed in the history of the world. But
(45:05):
it is funny to me that, oh, you can tell
the South African white people go back to your country
on CNN, and they've been there hundreds of years. But this, fundamentally,
this is just exposing the anti whiteness that is a
central organizing belief of the American left and the Democrat Party.
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