October 9, 2021 • 37 mins
Clay and Buck Sound Off H2 - The Best From This Week - Oct 9 2021
New Zealand admits failure to achieve covid zero. Fauci dodges question on mounting number of breakthrough cases. Mark Cuban requires vaccine or negative test to attend Mavericks games. Leftist activists harass Kyrsten Sinema.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
I hope all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday
wherever you may find yourselves across this great country or
this great land. We have got a lot to discuss
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throughout the next three hours, and we appreciate you spending
your time with us. New Zealand is giving up on
the idea of COVID zero, Doctor Fauci pressed on natural immunity. Finally,
Mark Cuban and the failed policies of the Dallas Mavericks
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as a symptom of larger issues. All of that to
be discussed shortly. Taxes, the irs about to have way
more power over your bank accounts. School groups are being
investigated by the Department of Justice because they are considered
to be a threat. It is madness. Kirsten Cinema of Arizona.
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Joe Biden said that her being followed into the bathroom
was part of the process of being a politician. Jensaki
is helping to clean that up. We've got the latest
on the budget. All that and more much to discuss,
but we begin with what I think is becoming a
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significant win potentially Buck Sexton for Team Reality. Now I
understand how the spin will be pushed out there that
New Zealand abandoning their lockdown policies is actually a victory
and they followed the science and they did everything right.
And yes, I understand their small island nation in the
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grand scheme of things, and they have a totally different
ability to restrict people entering and exiting their country. But
the fact that the Prime Minister down there, I believe
just Sinda Ahearne is her name, has had to now
acknowledge that due to the Delta variant, the lockdowns basically
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don't work, and that New Zealand is going to have
to open up and that they can't stay locked down forever.
I think this is a big win for Team Reality,
and I hope that it's going to lead to more
moving in our direction. Let's listen to that announcement that
was made yesterday by New Zealand. With this outbreak and
with Delta, the return to zero is incredibly difficult and
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our restrictions alone and not enough to achieve it quickly.
In fact, for this outbreak, it's clear that long periods
of heavy restrictions has not got us to zero cases,
but that is okay. Elimination was important because we didn't
have vaccines. Now we do, so we can begin to
change the way we do things. We have more options,
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and it's good cause for us to feel optimistic about
the future. But we cannot rush. Okay, So Buck, I
understand they're trying to claim victory. Hey, we did zero
COVID until we had vaccines, and now we have these
magic pill vaccines that even though they have tons of
breakthrough cases and people still get COVID and you're not
going to be able to stop it, and basically that
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means COVID is going to be endemic. I do think
this is a big win for Team Reality in this respect.
There are so many people out there, Buck, who've been
holding up New Zealand, the Blue Check Brigade. Oh my god. See,
if we had just locked down harder, we could have
been like New Zealand. Suddenly having New Zealand and Australia
in the last few days acknowledged that COVID zero is
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no longer a reality and that lockdowns are not possible.
I think makes it harder and harder to bring back
the idea of lockdowns the United States, fair or foul?
Is that a crazy position for me to adopt? Well,
first off, they're going to continually point to their low
fatality rate from COVID as justifying instead of saying, wow,
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this was madness. What were redoing? It was never going
to work. It was always destined. And this was the thinking.
Everyone forgets this now because we're told to forget it.
The thinking about how to deal with pandemic disease was
that a lockdown only made sense. Why was it two
weeks to slow the spread? It wasn't to evade the virus.
It was so that we could get hospitals up to
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a place where they could handle the search. That was it.
And the reason was everyone knew if you lock if
you truly lock down a society for a month, two months, okay,
you'll have very low cases. It is true that if
human beings do not congregate or see each other, there
won't be much spread of the virus, if at all.
But it's also true that the moment you go back
to normal life, your plan essentially is a no plan plan.
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And they've known this all along New Zealand. Unfortunately, in Australia,
forget that they are islands with very sparse population and
the healthy population on top of this, I mean one
part of this that does not get talked about very
much because this is not about you know, it's not
about blaming anybody for their life decision or anything else.
It's about health and medical reality. We have ten times
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the obesity rate in America that say, Japan does ten
x so, and that's across all age demographics. So when
you're looking at COVID outcomes and obesity is after age
really the chief driver because with obesity comes hypertension and
all these co morbidities that also needed to be taken
into account. But are we gonna what are we what
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should we take from the COVID zero abandonment by New Zealand.
I think it's that they have to recognize at this
point that you're going to need shots and shots and shots,
that there'll be variants. Remember we've had a delta variant
that it's like, oh my gosh, look what's happened that
was in one year? Yeah? Right? What what what's to
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make us think there won't be other variants that evade
the vaccine? So they've looked at this and realized the
one and done shot reality that they were holding out
for is a fantasy. It's not going to happen, and
so now they have to face the world of COVID,
which does have COVID breakthroughs. But the vaccination rate in
some of these in Australia and New zeal is actually
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not that high. Interestingly enough, they've spent so much time
tackling mothers in the park for not wearing a mask
that I think I think in Australia, for example, it
might be in the forties. I think you're right, So
you know, they didn't actually focus on something that would
have been a more effective short term mitigation. I'm glad
you mentioned the variants because one of the arguments that
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you will hear from Team Lockdown is everybody has to
be vaccinated because otherwise we're going to have variants and
the variant obviously Delta does not have as much protection
from the COVID vaccine. But do you know what percentage
of people in Africa have been vaccinated? Buck, you were
just talking about what the rate is in Australia, Do
you have any idea. I mean, I'm assuming it's quite low.
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I don't know. Four four wow, four percent of Africans
have been bad. The reason why I bring that up
is where did the delta variant come from? India? Where
very few people had been vaccinated. The odds if you
just look at the global population, the odds of a
variant emerging in theory in a highly vaccinated and highly
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naturally infected country like the United States are very very low.
The odds of the variant emerging in Africa are very
very high in theory because only four percent of people
have had the vaccine. Now, it's possible because Africans in
general are much healthier and also much younger than Americans
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would be. For instance, it's possible there's tons of COVID
that has spread all through Africa, and there's massive amounts
of natural immunity. My point on this, though, is if
you look at vaccination rates around the world, people who
are focusing on the United States and arguing if we
get vaccinated here will guarantee that there are no variants
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are actually missing the bigger picture. And that is why
buck so many medical professionals out there have opposed the
idea of a booster in the United States and said
the actual healthier thing from a global perspective is for
all those shots to be shipped to countries where there's
almost no vaccination that's taken place so that the percentage
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of people with vaccines in those countries can get much higher,
because I think if you look at the data, the
odds are that the vaccine the variants are going to
emerge in countries with low vaccine rates, which almost no
one talks about. The variants are going to emerge effectively
no matter what, because these variants change so quickly, you know,
think about it. We have a paradigm for this. We
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actually have something that we've been saying all along. It's
very similar in a lot of respects to its societal
impact and the way the virus mutates and changes, and
that would be the seasonal flu. Now we're also told
that this Delata variant specifically is much more content ages
than even COVID was, and COVID is more contagious than
the flu. But year in and year out, there are
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hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps worldwide, certainly tens of
thousands of people who die from the seasonal flu every year.
There's a vaccine that's about fifty percent effective on average.
I think for the season, maybe sixty, some people would say,
and so if you're at a high risk, you get it.
But for the rest of society, it's very clear the
better move is maybe you want it, if you know,
if you want Have you ever gotten the flu shot
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just because I think I got it one year because
someone convinced me, and then I was like, eh, I
didn't get it. The next year I didn't get it.
Used to ironically enough, Buck when I did local radio,
they would come in to encourage people to get the
flu shot and give us flu shots live on the radio. Right,
So I mean that's that's the way that this needs
to go. My concern though, right now is that people
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have embraced what you'd really have to call COVID culture. Now. Yeah,
the mask wearing, the constant reminders of when I when
I flew back from Alabama a couple of whatever was
Now it feels like a million years ago, a couple
of days ago, when I flew back and left America's
biggest party at Alabama versus all miss roll Tide. Now
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I have to say Hotti Totti too, or people get
mad at me. By ye I'm allowed to see I'm
allowed to play both sides though, which makes me happy.
No one gets mad at me for that. But when
I came back lay, they do this thing. Every time
you get on a plane, they hand you hand sanitizer. Now,
this is just now, this has become a COVID culture issue.
This has nothing to do. You are not getting COVID
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because you didn't use hand sanitizer. That's just not reality.
Rejected the idea which was ascendant last year or whenever, right,
that you could get it from surfaces. And they told
us this all the time. People were play Doctor Fauci
said he was wiping down his groceries with license like
a moron and told all of us to do this.
And he's the scientist, he's the doctor. But my point
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is that this now is a vestige. This is a thing,
you know, we continue to do. I mean it's almost
like saying, you know, gazuntite or something. When someone sneezes,
we give out hand sanitizer. We have all these social
distancing plaques and signs everywhere, even though no one's social distancing.
It's really just become a mass anxiety disorder. And I
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think people now need these things around them in order
to feel safe. I mean, the same way that people
think that the TSA as they're you know, screening the
bags half asleep as they're going through. That's really stopping,
you know, the worst terrorists in the world from figuring
out how to attack you on a plane. People now think,
as long as there are enough social distancing signs and
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handing out little packets of hand sanitizer so we can
all by the way on the plane breathe in the
little lemony alcohol fumes. It smells almost as bad as
those stupid trees that people hang from the You're actually
not awful, Travis. This is your worst take ever those trees.
The black ice smell makes me want to vomit. But anyway,
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is that what's called black ice? That they have all
these different flavors. It's a security blanket, is what you're
hitting Somebody who has parents, who has kids, who is parenting.
You know, we went to WWE raw last night and
my youngest kid still likes to carry around. He's in
first grade. He likes to carry around his security blanket.
So he's got it in the car. We're gonna get
back in the car late. It makes him more comfortable.
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And that's basically what we've done for people who are
adults and should know better with high anxiety, We've given
them all security blanket. I think Faucci, by the way,
I think your analogy is, I think Fauci is the
ultimate security blanket for a lot of people. As long
as that little lab coat tyrant is on TV, people
feel like, oh, the science is being watched over and
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it's it's madness. But we will come back more into
this one. Also, I want everyone to realize that a
big plan for the Biden administration is to supercharge, as
Clay says on steroids, the irs, to come after all
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Welcome back to the Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. We're
talking about where we are in the fight against this pandemic.
We were taking a look around the other side of
the globe. But what's going on the landdown under? And
are Keiley friends in New Zealand? And sure enough, it
turns out you can't just lock down a society and
wait for a virus to disappear entirely. That's not really
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a strategy that you can do in perpetuity. We learned that.
But what about the situation here of breakthrough cases I
mentioned yesterday Clain I, we're talking about this. You have,
according to the State Health Department of Massachusetts own numbers,
a third of people in the hospital right now with
COVID A third of them, I'm sorry, a little less
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than a third. Maybe let's call it twenty twenty five
fully vaccinated. That's not one percent, that's not point one percent.
I mean, that's a pretty sizable chunk. And that's not
including all breakthrough cases. So that's starting to feel like
we're not getting told everything. Maybe the numbers have been
compiled properly. I'm not the only one is wondering. Here
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is a CNBC anchor asking Fauci, I mean, are these
breakthrough cases really rare? For are you too casual about
the limitations of the vaccine, because it does feel to
me that these breakthroughs are happening, They're happening regularly, and
we haven't really seen the government pay that much attention
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to them or worn about them too much. It says
on the CDC website doctor Fauci that infections happen and
only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated,
and when these infections occur among the vaccinated, they tend
to be mild. But the CDC doesn't even tracked the
breakthrough infection, So how do we know that they're happening
to a small proportion, and how do we know that
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they are tending to be mild? Clay. That seems like
a pretty big deal that the CDC is not tracking
every single day breakthrough infections. It's not one in five
thousand per day, as Biden said in a speech a
couple of weeks ago, bull crap. And what I will
say I'm encouraged by here is Fauci is not getting
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the holier than now treatment from all media members. I mean,
as a really good question, laying out all of the
details in all of the analysis there. And I think
it's emblematic of what we saw in the wake of
Fauci on Sunday saying we might have to cancel Christmas.
A lot of people are finally stepping up and pointing
to Fauci and saying, you are effectively the emperor wearing
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no clothes, and he's getting called on it. I think so,
and we should come back in a moment, Clay to
his answer, because I think, you know, because we want
because this was you know, you know why they're asking
a real question, because all the vaccinated journals are like, well,
what do you mean the breakthrough? In fact, you know,
they're worried, which is why they're willing to ask the
real question. That's the difference here. But just to give
you some numbers, folks, it's super super rare. What does
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that mean. Well, the latest in Massachusetts, which is going
through a huge surge, even though it is a very
heavily vaccinated state, their total caseload for breakthrough cases is
in the well, it was in last week alone they
had four thousand, three hundred and seventy eight breakthrough cases.
Clay that was last week. It doesn't seem like a
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small numb that doesn't seem super rare to me. Why
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hanging out with us. Want to play for you. As
we were just talking in the last segment, you heard
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a CNBC point that I think is pretty significant about
breakthrough infections and how common they are even for people
who are vaccinated. And doctor Fauci was asked why it's
not being tracked and how common they are, and here
was his response. The CDC has not, you're quite correct,
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tracked all real and potential asymptomatic infections. They are modifying
that right now and the studies that are being done
that would give the kind of information that you're talking about. Also,
it's very important to know that with the booster rollout
that we've been talking about, we are anticipating that we
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will get an extra added boost in the sense of
clinical effect. Looks like that extra additive protection from a
boost will be very valuable. Clay can I say he
wasn't asked about asymptomatic cases. He was asked by the journalist,
which we played before, which maybe we should go back
to about breakthrough cases. Yeah, and he dodged, And not
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only did he dodge, this is a big question that
is really interesting to think about because the way he
dodged made me raise another question, Buck, And I'm curious
if you've thought a lot about this, and I know
we've kind of hinted it at the hypothesis that's out
there that many of these people that are getting vaccinated
may well if you look. One hypothesis is that one
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reason we have seen an increase overall in the number
of COVID cases even as many people are being vaccinated,
is that a lot of these people who are getting
vaccinated have a high level of COVID still potentially high
enough to test, even though they're not getting ill themselves
as much, and they could be spreading it to the unvaccinated.
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In other words, there is a hypothesis out there that
one reason why COVID cases have continued to go up
is not because the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated,
but because the people who are vaccinated are basically becoming
the vectors of transmission to the unvaccinated as a result
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of their COVID vaccines. Which would flip everything on its
head in terms of the way that people are lecturing
the unvaccinated as if they're the danger. That's a hypothesis
that seeks to explain, as you and I both know, Buck,
why the numbers of COVID cases would have gone up
as we rose to. I think right now seventy seven
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percent of adults eighteen and up have had at least
one COVID vaccine shot. This is a situation where you
could also look at whether we're dealing with what would
be called leaky vaccines where and that seems to be
at least at some level the case. So leaky vaccine
is when someone can both can get infected and spread
the virus and in some cases it can actually result.
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And this is where we talked about a disease of chickens,
not a humans Merrick's disease, but where you can actually
create faster, more adaptive variant through mass vaccination campaigns of
a leaky with leaky vaccines. Right, because if you vaccinated
like polio, you're vaccinated, you don't get it, you don't
give it. With this disease, with COVID nineteen, you clearly
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can get and give. Yes, you're maybe doing it at
lower levels, but you clearly can get and give. And
we've had a vaccination campaign. Over two hundred billion Americans
have been vaccinated, so there's a lot of exposure of
the virus to imperfect vaccination efforts, and by doing that,
you're giving the virus an opportunity to see someone. It's
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kind of like giving the enemy a look at your
defenses before the big assault. Right now, maybe you do
it a million times, no big deal, You do a
ten million, one hundred million times. You only need one
time where the virus actually mutates in a way that
you get a variant that's either much more transmissible or
god forbid, much more lethal, and you've got a very
big problem on your hands. And one reason buck we
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could be dealing with now the cases declining is one,
I think it's delta variant, but also the mass rush
to get vaccinated there could be just less you know,
we know, the waning efficacy of the vaccines might be
actually making there be fewer cases because there's not many
people walking around with COVID able to pass. Now, this
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also ties in people say, Okay, what's the significance here, Well,
in your life, what rules are being applied Buck. You know,
in New York City, to go to a restaurant, to
go to a sporting event, you have to have the
COVID vaccine negative test. All these different COVID vaccine passports.
Same thing now in much of California, but Red states
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have typically not required those same protections or those same
passports COVID vaccine passports. Mark Cuban down in Dallas where
you got Jerry Jones one hundred thousand people or whatever
it is showing up for Cowboys games, Mark Cuban is
now requiring in order to go to a Dallas Mavericks
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game in deep red state Texas, either a COVID vaccine
or a negative test. And I believe we have a
cut of Cuban, and I've been arguing with him publicly.
Some of you may have seen this. Here's Cuban talking
about his new policy cut six No. Two things. One,
you know, if you have a proof of vaccination, that's
good enough. You upload it to our app and that's
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all you need to do for one time a year.
If not, let's say you have COVID, we still want
to have proof that that natural immunity is working. And
you don't have COVID. You just have to show a
negative test from within the previous three days, So if
you're vaccinated, it's easy. So he's like almost there. He
knows there's this of natural immunity. He knows you're actually
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safer as somebody who has natural immunity than somebody who
has only gotten the virus. I'm sorry, I only gotten
the vaccine and not at the virus. But he insists
on it being a test only system every time instead,
because by that logic, why not have a vaccinated person
test every time? That's right, That's what I asked him
and Brett Kavanaugh, for instance, for people out there found
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out after double vaccination. There are lots of people out
there who've been double vaccinated and tested positive. So what
Cuban is trying to sell to his fan base is
you're safe and also you're virtuous. But the reality is
buck this is a broken system. So what I've been
arguing with him about and I do think this would
be an improvement. First of all, we are clear we
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don't believe in COVID vaccine mandates. I certainly don't think
you should have to show a passport to go to
a restaurant or a bar as sporting event. I'm not
in favor of this, but if you are going to
put that policy in place, I think you should be
logically consistent, and that policy should include if you can
prove that you have COVID antibodies, that should count just
as much as a vaccine, and you shouldn't have to
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get a negative test after you've already had COVID in
order to get in. If you're not having to get
one for the vaccine too. Natural immunity has been a
casualty of the noble lie that the only responsible way
forward is for everyone to get the vaccine. I say
noble lie in so far as that's what the left
thinks it is, we just view it as not actually
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rooted in the science. They're just lying. But they made
it's very clear that the health authorities, the Fauciites, made
a decision that they're going to ignore this enormously important
part of the entire equation here and make everybody get
a shot because the one size fits all of get
the shot or or else was a thing they were
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most comfortable with, both from a dealing with their unreasonable
COVID anxiety perspective, but also their desire to set I
think a precedent and a standard where the government, now
under health authority, has more control than it ever has
before over people's day to day lives, which we've seen,
and I think that that's why you're starting to see
some folks come around and say, well, hold on a second,
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why is it that now we are just we're just
beginning to hear about natural immunity. We're just beginning to
hear from Fauci that they're counting breakthrough infections. Isn't that
absolutely essential data? How can you be pushing a vaccine
on everybody saying you must get this, it's irresponsible not
to and not know how many people who get the
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vaccine Clay still get sick and in some cases still
go to the hospital and even in some cases die. Yeah,
that is the reality of this, But they don't have
those numbers. Kind of like how they never really wanted
to know how much natural immunity was out there through
prology testing, through the blood test, they could have been
tracking it every single month, Clay. They track the numbers
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they want to use for the policies they insist on,
and they ignore the ones that they don't like. And
here's what I would say. We have a ton of
people in media who listen to this show. As Rush
used to say, a lot of people listen to this
show as prepped for their job. Happy. We're happy to help.
We're help, happy to help. What I would say is
we need Fauci because he won't come on our show.
We need Faucci pressed on these questions. These are significant
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and important question some other journals please your eye some
of our questions, Yes, like take our someone asking how
we can take him seriously when he says things like
we haven't really looked get breakthrough infections as a number.
What more important? You're counting every vaccination. You're counting every
second vaccination. You're telling us to get boosters. You're counting
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every case, including people who are fine. Yeah, but you're
not going to know how many times the vaccine is
failing to prevent infection. Gee, it's like a big deal.
I think that's a pretty big deal, Clay. I do
I think that there's I think there's something funky going
on here, you know what, And again, we encourage everybody
just ask those questions. We'll play your questions on our
show for our audience as a thank you, as we
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This is Buck in NYC, Clay out in Tennessee, and
we got Kirsten Cinema, the Senator who was followed into
a bathroom over the weekend by a amnesty activist. Right though,
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you always know what someone thinks about immigration, just so
you know in the press, based on the words they use.
I mean, the second you hear undocumented, then you've got
somebody who's essentially in favor of de facto open borders,
certainly of amnesty. Anyone who uses undocumented, people who use
the term activist with with reverence, oh well, that person's
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an activist. So that's always a big tale, that's a
big sign. But here we have Kirsen Cinema, who the
left has decided is in the way of their more
grandiose socialist agenda. And although she's a person of the left,
she's clearly a Democrat. This is not like she's a
stealth conservative at all, which is so interesting in all this,
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she was followed by an illegal alien confronted her on
a commercial flight. I just want to know if you
can commit a reconculation that's good, provide a pathwa citizenship.
Immigrants have been waiting for this for too long. Commit
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reconculation immigration for people to be protected me and I
just want to my life and the life of mine. Okay,
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it's not in her power to give them what they're
asking for. Even if she agreed, it wouldn't make a difference, Clay.
But it's really it seems like this is about the
theatricality and people on the left, and this is this
is like a form. It's the same way that the
left loves to protest. They love to get out and protest.
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And yes they'll bring their kids who are five to
the anti gun violence rally, as if they're five year
old knows what the NRA is. You know, the left
legs to do this. They also, I think they get
some joy out of harassing people based on their politics.
I really do. I think we have to fundamentally you
repudiate this idea regardless of what your politics are. And
this was what I was saying yesterday about Biden failing.
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The idea that you go up to a stranger with
your hand, with a camera in your hand basically your phone,
state your opinion and hold it right in their face
for them, expecting them to respond. Buck. This is I mean,
go back in time. Do you remember the television show
hard Copy back in the day. Do you remember the
way that so many people out there in America had
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a great deal of disdain and disgust when they saw,
for instance, a house just burns down, and some journalist
would run right up in the face of the person
who just had something horrible happened to them with a
camera and try to record them. Right. It felt like
that invaded the personal space. Now we've created a society
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where everybody is basically a hard copy reporter running right
up on everybody in the face and confronting them. We
got to reject and repudiate. I think this the exact
opposite of what, by the way, Congressman Maxine Water said,
which has emboldened and encouraged this kind of behavior because
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where it leads Buck is ultimately I really believe this
to some form of violence, particularly when you're talking about
women being confronted. I just I don't like this idea
of walking up in the bathroom on a woman of
of you know, if I think about it from my mom,
my wife, if I had a daughter's perspective, I don't
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like the idea of invading anyone's personal space. But I
think when we're doing it to female politicians, it strikes
me even more aggressively and uncomfortable, because what we're gonna have, Buck,
is men eventually getting in the personal space of women
and confronting them in a physically violent type situation where
it makes people uncomfortable. We tend to be remember this,
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it's meant to be intimidated. Yeah, there's no part of
them on the left when they do these things. This
is not new. This is pretty standard. They liked to
whether it's chasing little terrified Jeff Flake in the elevator
during the Cavanaugh debacle with the Left where they were
trying to clearly destroy a manifestly innocent man by lying
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because it was so important to them to protect abortion
that's what Cavanaugh the whole thing was really about. Or
they do this too, members of the Trump administration, where
they chase them, they yell at them. There's no repudiation
of this. When people on the right do annoying things,
I say, I don't like that, right, there was I
think there was one time I even forget what the
issue was, where a bunch of you know, a group
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of people who were conservative did the whole we're blocking
a bridge and creating a traffic snaw thing. There's a
few years ago here in New York. I don't remember
what it was about. I'm like, don't do that. Yeah,
I hate that there are people who are trying to
get to their jobs or people are trying to get
to work. It is wildly inappropriate. It's illegal, and it's wrong.
And you know, I'm sorry you don't like the tax
bill or you don't like the healthcare policy or whatever,
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but blocking traffic is not something that people in a
society that leaves in order in the rule of law do.
The left, they embrace this stuff. This is the point
is they don't see a problem. That's why Biden did
his whole Well. I don't really like good but you
know what happen part of the process. Well, you know,
he's supposed to be the fake moderate that sits in
front all and in front of all this stuff. You know,
when they would ate a buck if it were a
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conservative doing it to a liberal politician. Can you imagine
imagine if a bunch of conservative, you know, maga hat
wearers chased AOC onto an airplane and we're demanding and
we're well, I think it was it was it was
a woman that chased her in the even still it
could still be wearing maga hats, and they would lose
their minds. They would absolutely lose their minds. They'd say that.
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You know, remember Clay, the left will say anything speeches violence,
silence is violence, and then when they do actual violence,
they say, oh, that wasn't violence. You know, we were
just we were just speaking our minds. You know, they're crazy,
but we'll come back the irs. It's gonna be scary
if the left gets their way. I'll tell you why
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
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I hope all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday
wherever you may find yourselves across this great country or
this great land. We have got a lot to discuss
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throughout the next three hours, and we appreciate you spending
your time with us. New Zealand is giving up on
the idea of COVID zero, Doctor Fauci pressed on natural immunity. Finally,
Mark Cuban and the failed policies of the Dallas Mavericks
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as a symptom of larger issues. All of that to
be discussed shortly. Taxes, the irs about to have way
more power over your bank accounts. School groups are being
investigated by the Department of Justice because they are considered
to be a threat. It is madness. Kirsten Cinema of Arizona.
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Joe Biden said that her being followed into the bathroom
was part of the process of being a politician. Jensaki
is helping to clean that up. We've got the latest
on the budget. All that and more much to discuss,
but we begin with what I think is becoming a
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significant win potentially Buck Sexton for Team Reality. Now I
understand how the spin will be pushed out there that
New Zealand abandoning their lockdown policies is actually a victory
and they followed the science and they did everything right.
And yes, I understand their small island nation in the
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grand scheme of things, and they have a totally different
ability to restrict people entering and exiting their country. But
the fact that the Prime Minister down there, I believe
just Sinda Ahearne is her name, has had to now
acknowledge that due to the Delta variant, the lockdowns basically
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don't work, and that New Zealand is going to have
to open up and that they can't stay locked down forever.
I think this is a big win for Team Reality,
and I hope that it's going to lead to more
moving in our direction. Let's listen to that announcement that
was made yesterday by New Zealand. With this outbreak and
with Delta, the return to zero is incredibly difficult and
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our restrictions alone and not enough to achieve it quickly.
In fact, for this outbreak, it's clear that long periods
of heavy restrictions has not got us to zero cases,
but that is okay. Elimination was important because we didn't
have vaccines. Now we do, so we can begin to
change the way we do things. We have more options,
(02:55):
and it's good cause for us to feel optimistic about
the future. But we cannot rush. Okay, So Buck, I
understand they're trying to claim victory. Hey, we did zero
COVID until we had vaccines, and now we have these
magic pill vaccines that even though they have tons of
breakthrough cases and people still get COVID and you're not
going to be able to stop it, and basically that
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means COVID is going to be endemic. I do think
this is a big win for Team Reality in this respect.
There are so many people out there, Buck, who've been
holding up New Zealand, the Blue Check Brigade. Oh my god. See,
if we had just locked down harder, we could have
been like New Zealand. Suddenly having New Zealand and Australia
in the last few days acknowledged that COVID zero is
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no longer a reality and that lockdowns are not possible.
I think makes it harder and harder to bring back
the idea of lockdowns the United States, fair or foul?
Is that a crazy position for me to adopt? Well,
first off, they're going to continually point to their low
fatality rate from COVID as justifying instead of saying, wow,
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this was madness. What were redoing? It was never going
to work. It was always destined. And this was the thinking.
Everyone forgets this now because we're told to forget it.
The thinking about how to deal with pandemic disease was
that a lockdown only made sense. Why was it two
weeks to slow the spread? It wasn't to evade the virus.
It was so that we could get hospitals up to
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a place where they could handle the search. That was it.
And the reason was everyone knew if you lock if
you truly lock down a society for a month, two months, okay,
you'll have very low cases. It is true that if
human beings do not congregate or see each other, there
won't be much spread of the virus, if at all.
But it's also true that the moment you go back
to normal life, your plan essentially is a no plan plan.
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And they've known this all along New Zealand. Unfortunately, in Australia,
forget that they are islands with very sparse population and
the healthy population on top of this, I mean one
part of this that does not get talked about very
much because this is not about you know, it's not
about blaming anybody for their life decision or anything else.
It's about health and medical reality. We have ten times
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the obesity rate in America that say, Japan does ten
x so, and that's across all age demographics. So when
you're looking at COVID outcomes and obesity is after age
really the chief driver because with obesity comes hypertension and
all these co morbidities that also needed to be taken
into account. But are we gonna what are we what
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should we take from the COVID zero abandonment by New Zealand.
I think it's that they have to recognize at this
point that you're going to need shots and shots and shots,
that there'll be variants. Remember we've had a delta variant
that it's like, oh my gosh, look what's happened that
was in one year? Yeah? Right? What what what's to
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make us think there won't be other variants that evade
the vaccine? So they've looked at this and realized the
one and done shot reality that they were holding out
for is a fantasy. It's not going to happen, and
so now they have to face the world of COVID,
which does have COVID breakthroughs. But the vaccination rate in
some of these in Australia and New zeal is actually
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not that high. Interestingly enough, they've spent so much time
tackling mothers in the park for not wearing a mask
that I think I think in Australia, for example, it
might be in the forties. I think you're right, So
you know, they didn't actually focus on something that would
have been a more effective short term mitigation. I'm glad
you mentioned the variants because one of the arguments that
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you will hear from Team Lockdown is everybody has to
be vaccinated because otherwise we're going to have variants and
the variant obviously Delta does not have as much protection
from the COVID vaccine. But do you know what percentage
of people in Africa have been vaccinated? Buck, you were
just talking about what the rate is in Australia, Do
you have any idea. I mean, I'm assuming it's quite low.
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I don't know. Four four wow, four percent of Africans
have been bad. The reason why I bring that up
is where did the delta variant come from? India? Where
very few people had been vaccinated. The odds if you
just look at the global population, the odds of a
variant emerging in theory in a highly vaccinated and highly
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naturally infected country like the United States are very very low.
The odds of the variant emerging in Africa are very
very high in theory because only four percent of people
have had the vaccine. Now, it's possible because Africans in
general are much healthier and also much younger than Americans
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would be. For instance, it's possible there's tons of COVID
that has spread all through Africa, and there's massive amounts
of natural immunity. My point on this, though, is if
you look at vaccination rates around the world, people who
are focusing on the United States and arguing if we
get vaccinated here will guarantee that there are no variants
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are actually missing the bigger picture. And that is why
buck so many medical professionals out there have opposed the
idea of a booster in the United States and said
the actual healthier thing from a global perspective is for
all those shots to be shipped to countries where there's
almost no vaccination that's taken place so that the percentage
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of people with vaccines in those countries can get much higher,
because I think if you look at the data, the
odds are that the vaccine the variants are going to
emerge in countries with low vaccine rates, which almost no
one talks about. The variants are going to emerge effectively
no matter what, because these variants change so quickly, you know,
think about it. We have a paradigm for this. We
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actually have something that we've been saying all along. It's
very similar in a lot of respects to its societal
impact and the way the virus mutates and changes, and
that would be the seasonal flu. Now we're also told
that this Delata variant specifically is much more content ages
than even COVID was, and COVID is more contagious than
the flu. But year in and year out, there are
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hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps worldwide, certainly tens of
thousands of people who die from the seasonal flu every year.
There's a vaccine that's about fifty percent effective on average.
I think for the season, maybe sixty, some people would say,
and so if you're at a high risk, you get it.
But for the rest of society, it's very clear the
better move is maybe you want it, if you know,
if you want Have you ever gotten the flu shot
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just because I think I got it one year because
someone convinced me, and then I was like, eh, I
didn't get it. The next year I didn't get it.
Used to ironically enough, Buck when I did local radio,
they would come in to encourage people to get the
flu shot and give us flu shots live on the radio. Right,
So I mean that's that's the way that this needs
to go. My concern though, right now is that people
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have embraced what you'd really have to call COVID culture. Now. Yeah,
the mask wearing, the constant reminders of when I when
I flew back from Alabama a couple of whatever was
Now it feels like a million years ago, a couple
of days ago, when I flew back and left America's
biggest party at Alabama versus all miss roll Tide. Now
(10:10):
I have to say Hotti Totti too, or people get
mad at me. By ye I'm allowed to see I'm
allowed to play both sides though, which makes me happy.
No one gets mad at me for that. But when
I came back lay, they do this thing. Every time
you get on a plane, they hand you hand sanitizer. Now,
this is just now, this has become a COVID culture issue.
This has nothing to do. You are not getting COVID
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because you didn't use hand sanitizer. That's just not reality.
Rejected the idea which was ascendant last year or whenever, right,
that you could get it from surfaces. And they told
us this all the time. People were play Doctor Fauci
said he was wiping down his groceries with license like
a moron and told all of us to do this.
And he's the scientist, he's the doctor. But my point
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is that this now is a vestige. This is a thing,
you know, we continue to do. I mean it's almost
like saying, you know, gazuntite or something. When someone sneezes,
we give out hand sanitizer. We have all these social
distancing plaques and signs everywhere, even though no one's social distancing.
It's really just become a mass anxiety disorder. And I
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think people now need these things around them in order
to feel safe. I mean, the same way that people
think that the TSA as they're you know, screening the
bags half asleep as they're going through. That's really stopping,
you know, the worst terrorists in the world from figuring
out how to attack you on a plane. People now think,
as long as there are enough social distancing signs and
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handing out little packets of hand sanitizer so we can
all by the way on the plane breathe in the
little lemony alcohol fumes. It smells almost as bad as
those stupid trees that people hang from the You're actually
not awful, Travis. This is your worst take ever those trees.
The black ice smell makes me want to vomit. But anyway,
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is that what's called black ice? That they have all
these different flavors. It's a security blanket, is what you're
hitting Somebody who has parents, who has kids, who is parenting.
You know, we went to WWE raw last night and
my youngest kid still likes to carry around. He's in
first grade. He likes to carry around his security blanket.
So he's got it in the car. We're gonna get
back in the car late. It makes him more comfortable.
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And that's basically what we've done for people who are
adults and should know better with high anxiety, We've given
them all security blanket. I think Faucci, by the way,
I think your analogy is, I think Fauci is the
ultimate security blanket for a lot of people. As long
as that little lab coat tyrant is on TV, people
feel like, oh, the science is being watched over and
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it's it's madness. But we will come back more into
this one. Also, I want everyone to realize that a
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Welcome back to the Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. We're
talking about where we are in the fight against this pandemic.
We were taking a look around the other side of
the globe. But what's going on the landdown under? And
are Keiley friends in New Zealand? And sure enough, it
turns out you can't just lock down a society and
wait for a virus to disappear entirely. That's not really
(14:52):
a strategy that you can do in perpetuity. We learned that.
But what about the situation here of breakthrough cases I
mentioned yesterday Clain I, we're talking about this. You have,
according to the State Health Department of Massachusetts own numbers,
a third of people in the hospital right now with
COVID A third of them, I'm sorry, a little less
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than a third. Maybe let's call it twenty twenty five
fully vaccinated. That's not one percent, that's not point one percent.
I mean, that's a pretty sizable chunk. And that's not
including all breakthrough cases. So that's starting to feel like
we're not getting told everything. Maybe the numbers have been
compiled properly. I'm not the only one is wondering. Here
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is a CNBC anchor asking Fauci, I mean, are these
breakthrough cases really rare? For are you too casual about
the limitations of the vaccine, because it does feel to
me that these breakthroughs are happening, They're happening regularly, and
we haven't really seen the government pay that much attention
(15:54):
to them or worn about them too much. It says
on the CDC website doctor Fauci that infections happen and
only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated,
and when these infections occur among the vaccinated, they tend
to be mild. But the CDC doesn't even tracked the
breakthrough infection, So how do we know that they're happening
to a small proportion, and how do we know that
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they are tending to be mild? Clay. That seems like
a pretty big deal that the CDC is not tracking
every single day breakthrough infections. It's not one in five
thousand per day, as Biden said in a speech a
couple of weeks ago, bull crap. And what I will
say I'm encouraged by here is Fauci is not getting
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the holier than now treatment from all media members. I mean,
as a really good question, laying out all of the
details in all of the analysis there. And I think
it's emblematic of what we saw in the wake of
Fauci on Sunday saying we might have to cancel Christmas.
A lot of people are finally stepping up and pointing
to Fauci and saying, you are effectively the emperor wearing
(17:00):
no clothes, and he's getting called on it. I think so,
and we should come back in a moment, Clay to
his answer, because I think, you know, because we want
because this was you know, you know why they're asking
a real question, because all the vaccinated journals are like, well,
what do you mean the breakthrough? In fact, you know,
they're worried, which is why they're willing to ask the
real question. That's the difference here. But just to give
you some numbers, folks, it's super super rare. What does
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that mean. Well, the latest in Massachusetts, which is going
through a huge surge, even though it is a very
heavily vaccinated state, their total caseload for breakthrough cases is
in the well, it was in last week alone they
had four thousand, three hundred and seventy eight breakthrough cases.
Clay that was last week. It doesn't seem like a
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small numb that doesn't seem super rare to me. Why
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hanging out with us. Want to play for you. As
we were just talking in the last segment, you heard
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a CNBC point that I think is pretty significant about
breakthrough infections and how common they are even for people
who are vaccinated. And doctor Fauci was asked why it's
not being tracked and how common they are, and here
was his response. The CDC has not, you're quite correct,
(19:32):
tracked all real and potential asymptomatic infections. They are modifying
that right now and the studies that are being done
that would give the kind of information that you're talking about. Also,
it's very important to know that with the booster rollout
that we've been talking about, we are anticipating that we
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will get an extra added boost in the sense of
clinical effect. Looks like that extra additive protection from a
boost will be very valuable. Clay can I say he
wasn't asked about asymptomatic cases. He was asked by the journalist,
which we played before, which maybe we should go back
to about breakthrough cases. Yeah, and he dodged, And not
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only did he dodge, this is a big question that
is really interesting to think about because the way he
dodged made me raise another question, Buck, And I'm curious
if you've thought a lot about this, and I know
we've kind of hinted it at the hypothesis that's out
there that many of these people that are getting vaccinated
may well if you look. One hypothesis is that one
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reason we have seen an increase overall in the number
of COVID cases even as many people are being vaccinated,
is that a lot of these people who are getting
vaccinated have a high level of COVID still potentially high
enough to test, even though they're not getting ill themselves
as much, and they could be spreading it to the unvaccinated.
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In other words, there is a hypothesis out there that
one reason why COVID cases have continued to go up
is not because the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated,
but because the people who are vaccinated are basically becoming
the vectors of transmission to the unvaccinated as a result
(21:21):
of their COVID vaccines. Which would flip everything on its
head in terms of the way that people are lecturing
the unvaccinated as if they're the danger. That's a hypothesis
that seeks to explain, as you and I both know, Buck,
why the numbers of COVID cases would have gone up
as we rose to. I think right now seventy seven
(21:42):
percent of adults eighteen and up have had at least
one COVID vaccine shot. This is a situation where you
could also look at whether we're dealing with what would
be called leaky vaccines where and that seems to be
at least at some level the case. So leaky vaccine
is when someone can both can get infected and spread
the virus and in some cases it can actually result.
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And this is where we talked about a disease of chickens,
not a humans Merrick's disease, but where you can actually
create faster, more adaptive variant through mass vaccination campaigns of
a leaky with leaky vaccines. Right, because if you vaccinated
like polio, you're vaccinated, you don't get it, you don't
give it. With this disease, with COVID nineteen, you clearly
(22:30):
can get and give. Yes, you're maybe doing it at
lower levels, but you clearly can get and give. And
we've had a vaccination campaign. Over two hundred billion Americans
have been vaccinated, so there's a lot of exposure of
the virus to imperfect vaccination efforts, and by doing that,
you're giving the virus an opportunity to see someone. It's
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kind of like giving the enemy a look at your
defenses before the big assault. Right now, maybe you do
it a million times, no big deal, You do a
ten million, one hundred million times. You only need one
time where the virus actually mutates in a way that
you get a variant that's either much more transmissible or
god forbid, much more lethal, and you've got a very
big problem on your hands. And one reason buck we
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could be dealing with now the cases declining is one,
I think it's delta variant, but also the mass rush
to get vaccinated there could be just less you know,
we know, the waning efficacy of the vaccines might be
actually making there be fewer cases because there's not many
people walking around with COVID able to pass. Now, this
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also ties in people say, Okay, what's the significance here, Well,
in your life, what rules are being applied Buck. You know,
in New York City, to go to a restaurant, to
go to a sporting event, you have to have the
COVID vaccine negative test. All these different COVID vaccine passports.
Same thing now in much of California, but Red states
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have typically not required those same protections or those same
passports COVID vaccine passports. Mark Cuban down in Dallas where
you got Jerry Jones one hundred thousand people or whatever
it is showing up for Cowboys games, Mark Cuban is
now requiring in order to go to a Dallas Mavericks
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game in deep red state Texas, either a COVID vaccine
or a negative test. And I believe we have a
cut of Cuban, and I've been arguing with him publicly.
Some of you may have seen this. Here's Cuban talking
about his new policy cut six No. Two things. One,
you know, if you have a proof of vaccination, that's
good enough. You upload it to our app and that's
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all you need to do for one time a year.
If not, let's say you have COVID, we still want
to have proof that that natural immunity is working. And
you don't have COVID. You just have to show a
negative test from within the previous three days, So if
you're vaccinated, it's easy. So he's like almost there. He
knows there's this of natural immunity. He knows you're actually
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safer as somebody who has natural immunity than somebody who
has only gotten the virus. I'm sorry, I only gotten
the vaccine and not at the virus. But he insists
on it being a test only system every time instead,
because by that logic, why not have a vaccinated person
test every time? That's right, That's what I asked him
and Brett Kavanaugh, for instance, for people out there found
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out after double vaccination. There are lots of people out
there who've been double vaccinated and tested positive. So what
Cuban is trying to sell to his fan base is
you're safe and also you're virtuous. But the reality is
buck this is a broken system. So what I've been
arguing with him about and I do think this would
be an improvement. First of all, we are clear we
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don't believe in COVID vaccine mandates. I certainly don't think
you should have to show a passport to go to
a restaurant or a bar as sporting event. I'm not
in favor of this, but if you are going to
put that policy in place, I think you should be
logically consistent, and that policy should include if you can
prove that you have COVID antibodies, that should count just
as much as a vaccine, and you shouldn't have to
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get a negative test after you've already had COVID in
order to get in. If you're not having to get
one for the vaccine too. Natural immunity has been a
casualty of the noble lie that the only responsible way
forward is for everyone to get the vaccine. I say
noble lie in so far as that's what the left
thinks it is, we just view it as not actually
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rooted in the science. They're just lying. But they made
it's very clear that the health authorities, the Fauciites, made
a decision that they're going to ignore this enormously important
part of the entire equation here and make everybody get
a shot because the one size fits all of get
the shot or or else was a thing they were
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most comfortable with, both from a dealing with their unreasonable
COVID anxiety perspective, but also their desire to set I
think a precedent and a standard where the government, now
under health authority, has more control than it ever has
before over people's day to day lives, which we've seen,
and I think that that's why you're starting to see
some folks come around and say, well, hold on a second,
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why is it that now we are just we're just
beginning to hear about natural immunity. We're just beginning to
hear from Fauci that they're counting breakthrough infections. Isn't that
absolutely essential data? How can you be pushing a vaccine
on everybody saying you must get this, it's irresponsible not
to and not know how many people who get the
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vaccine Clay still get sick and in some cases still
go to the hospital and even in some cases die. Yeah,
that is the reality of this, But they don't have
those numbers. Kind of like how they never really wanted
to know how much natural immunity was out there through
prology testing, through the blood test, they could have been
tracking it every single month, Clay. They track the numbers
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they want to use for the policies they insist on,
and they ignore the ones that they don't like. And
here's what I would say. We have a ton of
people in media who listen to this show. As Rush
used to say, a lot of people listen to this
show as prepped for their job. Happy. We're happy to help.
We're help, happy to help. What I would say is
we need Fauci because he won't come on our show.
We need Faucci pressed on these questions. These are significant
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and important question some other journals please your eye some
of our questions, Yes, like take our someone asking how
we can take him seriously when he says things like
we haven't really looked get breakthrough infections as a number.
What more important? You're counting every vaccination. You're counting every
second vaccination. You're telling us to get boosters. You're counting
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every case, including people who are fine. Yeah, but you're
not going to know how many times the vaccine is
failing to prevent infection. Gee, it's like a big deal.
I think that's a pretty big deal, Clay. I do
I think that there's I think there's something funky going
on here, you know what, And again, we encourage everybody
just ask those questions. We'll play your questions on our
show for our audience as a thank you, as we
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This is Buck in NYC, Clay out in Tennessee, and
we got Kirsten Cinema, the Senator who was followed into
a bathroom over the weekend by a amnesty activist. Right though,
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you always know what someone thinks about immigration, just so
you know in the press, based on the words they use.
I mean, the second you hear undocumented, then you've got
somebody who's essentially in favor of de facto open borders,
certainly of amnesty. Anyone who uses undocumented, people who use
the term activist with with reverence, oh well, that person's
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an activist. So that's always a big tale, that's a
big sign. But here we have Kirsen Cinema, who the
left has decided is in the way of their more
grandiose socialist agenda. And although she's a person of the left,
she's clearly a Democrat. This is not like she's a
stealth conservative at all, which is so interesting in all this,
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she was followed by an illegal alien confronted her on
a commercial flight. I just want to know if you
can commit a reconculation that's good, provide a pathwa citizenship.
Immigrants have been waiting for this for too long. Commit
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reconculation immigration for people to be protected me and I
just want to my life and the life of mine. Okay,
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it's not in her power to give them what they're
asking for. Even if she agreed, it wouldn't make a difference, Clay.
But it's really it seems like this is about the
theatricality and people on the left, and this is this
is like a form. It's the same way that the
left loves to protest. They love to get out and protest.
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And yes they'll bring their kids who are five to
the anti gun violence rally, as if they're five year
old knows what the NRA is. You know, the left
legs to do this. They also, I think they get
some joy out of harassing people based on their politics.
I really do. I think we have to fundamentally you
repudiate this idea regardless of what your politics are. And
this was what I was saying yesterday about Biden failing.
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The idea that you go up to a stranger with
your hand, with a camera in your hand basically your phone,
state your opinion and hold it right in their face
for them, expecting them to respond. Buck. This is I mean,
go back in time. Do you remember the television show
hard Copy back in the day. Do you remember the
way that so many people out there in America had
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a great deal of disdain and disgust when they saw,
for instance, a house just burns down, and some journalist
would run right up in the face of the person
who just had something horrible happened to them with a
camera and try to record them. Right. It felt like
that invaded the personal space. Now we've created a society
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where everybody is basically a hard copy reporter running right
up on everybody in the face and confronting them. We
got to reject and repudiate. I think this the exact
opposite of what, by the way, Congressman Maxine Water said,
which has emboldened and encouraged this kind of behavior because
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where it leads Buck is ultimately I really believe this
to some form of violence, particularly when you're talking about
women being confronted. I just I don't like this idea
of walking up in the bathroom on a woman of
of you know, if I think about it from my mom,
my wife, if I had a daughter's perspective, I don't
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like the idea of invading anyone's personal space. But I
think when we're doing it to female politicians, it strikes
me even more aggressively and uncomfortable, because what we're gonna have, Buck,
is men eventually getting in the personal space of women
and confronting them in a physically violent type situation where
it makes people uncomfortable. We tend to be remember this,
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it's meant to be intimidated. Yeah, there's no part of
them on the left when they do these things. This
is not new. This is pretty standard. They liked to
whether it's chasing little terrified Jeff Flake in the elevator
during the Cavanaugh debacle with the Left where they were
trying to clearly destroy a manifestly innocent man by lying
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because it was so important to them to protect abortion
that's what Cavanaugh the whole thing was really about. Or
they do this too, members of the Trump administration, where
they chase them, they yell at them. There's no repudiation
of this. When people on the right do annoying things,
I say, I don't like that, right, there was I
think there was one time I even forget what the
issue was, where a bunch of you know, a group
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of people who were conservative did the whole we're blocking
a bridge and creating a traffic snaw thing. There's a
few years ago here in New York. I don't remember
what it was about. I'm like, don't do that. Yeah,
I hate that there are people who are trying to
get to their jobs or people are trying to get
to work. It is wildly inappropriate. It's illegal, and it's wrong.
And you know, I'm sorry you don't like the tax
bill or you don't like the healthcare policy or whatever,
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but blocking traffic is not something that people in a
society that leaves in order in the rule of law do.
The left, they embrace this stuff. This is the point
is they don't see a problem. That's why Biden did
his whole Well. I don't really like good but you
know what happen part of the process. Well, you know,
he's supposed to be the fake moderate that sits in
front all and in front of all this stuff. You know,
when they would ate a buck if it were a
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conservative doing it to a liberal politician. Can you imagine
imagine if a bunch of conservative, you know, maga hat
wearers chased AOC onto an airplane and we're demanding and
we're well, I think it was it was it was
a woman that chased her in the even still it
could still be wearing maga hats, and they would lose
their minds. They would absolutely lose their minds. They'd say that.
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You know, remember Clay, the left will say anything speeches violence,
silence is violence, and then when they do actual violence,
they say, oh, that wasn't violence. You know, we were
just we were just speaking our minds. You know, they're crazy,
but we'll come back the irs. It's gonna be scary
if the left gets their way. I'll tell you why
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