November 21, 2022 • 37 mins
After two years, and just after the midterms, CBS News has independently verified that the Hunter Biden laptop is real. Two years ago, Donald Trump told CBS’s Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes the Hunter Biden laptop was real and should be covered by the media. Stahl said it couldn’t be verified. Buck says, "CBS validated it after two years, but everyone with a brain functioning higher than a toaster oven already knew the Hunter Biden laptop was real." Clay ponders, "I wonder how much this Hunter Biden stuff is geared to having Joe Biden not being able to run." Buck talks about his formal event weekend at Mar-a-Largo and being with President Trump, Kari Lake and other Republican insiders. AG Garland launched two separate politically motivated investigations into Trump. Do the investigations hurt or help Trump in his reelection bid?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition, Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we hit Thanksgiving week. I know many of you
may be traveling this week. You may be out and
about all over the country, and we are certainly thankful
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that you are choosing to spend your time with us.
Kids are out in the Travis household. Buck. If you
hear screaming and yelling in the background, it may well
be video games. It might be the World Cup which
is underway. There are any number of things which the
Travis boys could be cartwheeling about the house discussing what
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we are going to discuss, many different things. Lauren Bobert
is going to join us at one thirty. She has
been reelected in Colorado despite the fact that MSNBC said
she should go on only fans. I bet that Lauren
Bobert will be pretty entertaining in the second hour with us.
But Buck, let's start here. Two years ago, you will
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remember Donald Trump sat down for an interview with Leslie
Stall of sixty minutes, and during the course of that interview,
Trump asked her why sixty minutes and CBS were not
actually covering the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden laptop scandal,
and Leslie Stall said, oh, well, we can't verify it,
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and maybe at some point we will play that audio
for those of you, again who cannot remember that moment.
But this morning, Buck, you can imagine my surprise when
I woke up and after two years, CBS News finally
wants all of its audience to know a little while
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after the mid terms, two years after Joe Biden entered
into the White House. Oh yeah, it wasn't disinformation, it
wasn't a rush and plot. The Hunter Biden laptop, it's real.
Just listen to this audio. And then I've got so
many thoughts about this, Buck, and I know you do too.
For those of you who did not hear it, and
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I certainly understand if you weren't watching CBS this morning,
it's important that they are just now telling their audience,
Oh yeah, this laptop, it's real. As Republicans take control
of the House, Hunter Biden, the President's sign will be
a target for investigations, and that means data from a
laptop reported to belong to Biden could be crucial to
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the investigatory process. CBS News has obtained its data not
through a third party or political operative, but directly from
the source who told us they provided it to the
FBI under subpoena, and we commissioned an independent forensic review
to determine its authenticity. See Your investigative Corresponding Katherine Harris
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joins us now with what we've found, Good morning, Tony.
The laptop data we had analyzed showed no evidence it
was faked or tampered with independent forensic review. Clay, Well,
that's just the gold standard right there. I mean, after
two years of every person with even the most basic
brain power available to them understanding that this is real.
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I'm so glad they brought in some random guy or
gal or whomever to tell us we already know so now,
but this is interesting. There are different theories here. Well,
first of why do I want to tell you why
I think CBS is doing this? Why do you think
CBS is doing this at this stage? I think because
and I am fascinated by this story on so many
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levels in terms of the timing and why they're doing it.
Two years later, I think they know that the evidence
is going to come out. This is why winning the
House was consequential. I think they know that when the
investigation starts inside the House of Representing Representatives surrounding the laptop,
that the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that
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it's going to be virtually impossible to argue that the
Hunter Biden laptop isn't real. And so I think they're
getting ahead of the investigation and the fact that they're
going to have to cover it so they can say, well,
we're not following what the House of Representatives investigation is
telling us. We did our own independent verification and we
told you it was real, right, So I think that
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that's I would largely just co sign to that. I
was wondering if you were going to say, which is
why I pushed it to you there. Well, because step okay,
believe this, Yeah, that that they're going to indict Hunter Biden.
And so this is a process where the media has
to start to has to start to get the So
is that where you because I still think that's the
next day, because I think that's that's what they're going
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to say publicly. But I think the next step is
they are going to indict Hunter Biden and uh. And
on top of that, Buck, I know I said I
that I believe that I I signed on to co
signed on to your argument that Hunter Biden's going to
be the nominee in twenty twenty four. I also think though,
that there is a certain amount of you know, the
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proverbial long knives coming out for Biden, and I wonder
how much this lack of protection for him may be
geared towards him not being able. So there's a whole
other that's a big step. So there's a big Okay.
I still think they're not going to charge him, or
if they do charge Hunter Biden, it will be essentially
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a way to let him out, you know, let him
off super easy basically. And this goes back to our
lugs ending bet. Now you've got a month clay whether
or not he will face If he doesn't face prison,
they're letting him off with it. It's a joke. It's
a slap on the risk given what he did, just
the scale of the tax fraud implications here. If you
don't declare to everyone out in our audience, they already
know this first of all, if you're making millions of dollars, congratulations,
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but not if you're getting it from you know, Chinese
backed Communist party payoffs for your debt. But if you're
if you make millions of dollars and you don't declare it,
you're gonna go to prison right when they find that
you haven't declared the million, you're not gonna get a like, hey,
don't do that again. So that's one part of it,
I think for CBS, and maybe this is a more
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minor component of this, but they need the people that
still watch CBS News. Funnily enough, I was an intern
there when I was eighteen years old and had no
interest in media at the time, but I just kind
of happened to find myself in the CBS eating newsroom.
The people that still watch CBS they want to believe Clay,
that it's the gold standard. And so this allows them,
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if they believe CBS up to this point, to say, well, look,
they've gotta you know, an independent forensic analyst now. So
because that's because they're so honest. That's why they're so honest.
And I know that's silly to us, but if you
were a true believer in the journalistic integrity of it,
of an organization like CBS, it gives you at least
a plausible deniability of the stupidity of pretending the laptop
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wasn't real. Right, You're not dumb. You just needed to
wait for the independent forensic analysis. On your Biden point, though,
I don't know why you think. This is where I
don't know why you think that there's some anti Biden
sense growing in the Democrat Party. I want you to
expand on this for me and everybody a little bit,
because you see the poll over the weekend, seventy one
percent of Democrats believe that Joe Biden would be reelected. Now,
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they may not want him to be the guy, but
if almost three quarters of them think he wins, there's
no way he's not running and I don't wheel him
out and they don't care what's going on. I mean,
they'll put aviators on him all day twenty four to seven.
They don't care. Well, here's my analogy, and I do
think it's a good one. Trump and Biden are right now,
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two heavyweight fighters in the twelfth round of their fight,
and the only reason both of them are not on
the mat is because the other one is there and
they're kind of holding each other up. Anybody who's watched boxing,
especially heavyweight boxing, when the big men basically punched themselves
out and they're done and it's late in the fight,
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they oftentimes just end up grappling with each other and
kind of leaning on one another. That's where I think
Biden and Trump are right now, and increasingly the only
reason to run Joe Biden is because Democrats believe that
Donald Trump will be the nominee for Republicans, and they think,
and they may well be right, that they can wheel
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out Biden and he will beat Trump. I'm starting to
think that Democrats are becoming aware that Trump is not
a set in stone candidate for Republicans. You know, they
had the big event and I believe Las Vegas over
the weekend with all the different contenders that were out
there speaking to that. I think it was the Jewish Coalition,
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and that's not the official name, but it was a
powerful Republican Jewish organization was having its its event and
everybody showed up there to speak. I think Trump is
going to face a bevy of challengers, and I think
Democrats are having second thoughts because just play this out.
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Imagine that, say Ron De Santis is the Republican nominee,
and he's going against Joe Biden. I think Ron De
Santis would obliterate Joe Biden. I think we could be
talking about as close to a landslide election, oh Man,
as we have seen. I wish I could. I wish
I could see it that way after this, After this election,
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I think, I think we gotta do a lot of
retrenching and rethinking about who people are willing to vote
for Clay in some of these states. How powerful the
Democrat machinery isn't so I think you and I can
agree that whether it's Rohn De Santis or Trump or
anyone else, it's gonna come down to two or three
percentage points in the electorate. I think. So you think
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that that that that whole paradigm is swept away if
it's the Santists. I just feel like that. I think
the generational thing is so massive for independent voters. I
saw a stat over the weekend buck Wall Street Journal
eighty six percent of Americans think that you shouldn't be
able to run for president if you're over seventy five
years old, eighty six percent. And so I think that generationally,
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if you had RHN de Santists or Glenn Young can
by the way, going up against Biden, I think that
Democrats would get absolutely obliterated, and I think as soon
as Trump were out of the picture, they would kick
Biden to the curb faster than they could at all.
That's like I want to agree, I want to believe you,
or rather I want to agree with you, because obviously
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we're talking about the future here. I just think we
got to keep the Federman rule in mind here, my friend,
I think I think the election the same way that
it's very different issue. But but what the Democrats did
to Brett Kavanaugh was a political lesson in per destruction
that everybody of fair mind in the country should always remember.
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I mean, they told the most heinous and demonstrably absurd
lies about a guy, and they were gleeful and Kamala
did it right. That was like a seminal moment. That
was a sea change. I think in a lot of
people thinking about right about who the Democrat Party really
is and what they're willing to do to hold power
on the Supreme Court, how it's important to them. I
think the Federman election needs to be thought of as
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a as a changing moment in the mindset of the
American electorate, or at least the Pennsylvania electorate, and therefore,
what's possible in other states, which is under the right
circumstances of get out the vote, universal mail in ballot,
Democrat propaganda, and the media, it's, you know, go down
the list. They can elect literally anybody who is alive.
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That's it. And I've been thinking about the Fetterman thing
a lot, and I wonder how much of it was
a perfect storm of Republican ineptitude. But let me just
say this about Fetterman versus Biden, whether we believe it
or not, Fetterman is not so old that he couldn't
recover from his stroke and be better right now. I
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don't know. I'm not a medical expert. I don't know
what the prognosis is for John Fetterman in three years.
But they tried to dangle out the idea he's recovering
from a stroke, he could get back to normalcy. There's
people out there listening to us right now that have
recovered from strokes and probably feel like they're close back
to normal. Joe Biden is not ever going to get better.
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He can only get worse. Right So, I don't know
that if you're gonna make that argument, I don't know
that Democrats made it well. But at least with Fetterman,
there is that possibility of hey, in two years, he
could be back to what he was. I don't know
that I buy it. I'm not a doctor, but at
least that is possible in two years. Joe Biden is
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not suddenly going to be fifty five again. He's going
to be worse than he is now. And he's bad now, right.
I don't think a great satan and I think him up.
This is the problem is that it doesn't Joe Biden.
You always say ron Klain is like the de facto
president by the White House, so you get a ron
Clain presidency. Biden's you know, hand will shake a little
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bit as he signs whatever he's told to sign, He'll
say whatever's in the prompter. If he stumbles, they say,
don't be mean. You know, you've actually reached a point
now with with the Feederment election, they manage to do
what they have done in other contexts, which is is
run in a political race somebody who's a victim, and
therefore if you criticize them, you're a bad person. But
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they usually don't do that for office. They usually do
that with surrogates, right. They did it with the so
called um you know, the jury. I think they're called
the Jersey Girls or the Jersey Wives, which were four
or five women who lost husbands in nine to eleven
who were just cutting campaign commercials for John Kerry and
we just straight up don't elect Bush. Elect John Kerry.
Were the nine eleven widows. I'm sorry, that's what they're
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called the nine eleven widow There were thousands of nine
to eleven widows, right, I mean the notion that these women,
but they were victims, so you couldn't criticize them. Now
we have victim candidates. Now you could say there's been
some of those in the past, but I mean victim
as in their ability to physically and mentally do a
job candidates. And I think Democrats are fine with it
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as long as long as their party ultimate. It's just
about the scoreboard for them, wherever the votes lie and
whatever ideology gets to be pushed. So well, let's come
back to this, because we haven't even talked about Trump yet.
I was at Marlago on Friday. Yeah, it was it
was an interesting event because he had to address the
fact that they are. We haven't even mentioned this yet
on the show. I talked about it a little bit
Fridays it broke. There are now two additional special counsel
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overseen criminal investigations of Donald Trump and Clay Did you
see there's another criminal investigation that they are rebooting today
of Donald Trump. We will talk about this because this
is the apparatus, this is the machinery at work. We'll
get into it in just a moment. Stay with us, everybody.
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Welcome back to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We
talked about how CBS authenticated with their super serious expert
the Hunter Biden laptop that everybody who is possessed of
a higher IQ than a toaster of it already knew
was real. But CBS there a lot of a lot
of questions, a lot of questions over at CBS about
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the laptop. And let's recall that in the most condescending
we are the serious journalists here, sir, tone possible. Leslie
Stall of CBS sat down with then President Trump talking
to him about this, and she basically wanted him to know, sir, sorry,
you can't have that silly Hunter Biden laptop being real,
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not on my watch, not allowed. Here's what she said,
it's the biggest scandal out there, Leslie. I think it's
I think it's one of the biggest scandals I've ever seen.
And you don't go through it because you want to
talk about because they can't be verified. I want to
talk about insignificant things. I'm telling you, of course they
can be verified. Excuse me, they found the laptop, Leslie?
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What can't be verified the laptop? Why you said that
even the family hasn't the family on the laptop. He's
got into hiding for five days, he's got into hid mean,
just Clay. The basic premise here is I guess nothing
can ever be really verified. Are you really sitting there?
Am I really sitting here? The verification two years later,
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Buck ended up being they gave it to a random
computer dude in Minneapolis and he said, yeah, it's real.
Now it took two years. Are you really telling me
that sixty minutes, which probably has the most investigative resources
of any journalistic entity, almost certainly on television in the country,
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couldn't have done that in October of twenty twenty, that
that was impossible, Like Leslie Stall said, to verify it.
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Buck Sexton on the front lines of Welcome Back in
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Clay Sorravis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us as we continue to break down all
of the latest craziness. Buck I was out Friday and
you went to Mara Lago over the weekend, and connected
to all of that is that there's now a special
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counsel investigating the president surrounding January sixth, and Mara Lago,
New York, as you teased a few minutes ago, is
now reopening a criminal investigation into payments made to Stormy Daniels.
According to The New York Times, they truly are convinced
that Trump is the great Satan, and the continuing fallout
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of these cases will be taking place over frankly, the
next couple of years, I really do believe. But before
we get into analyzing special council, what that could tell
us and more. You were at Mara Lago over the weekend,
the President was there. What was the vibe like in general?
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I mean, everybody was in good spirits. You're at a
black tie event at one of the great uh mansions built.
I think it was one of the nineteen nineteen twenties.
I think one of the last sort of great mansions
of that erra to be built in the US. It's
an amazing property. I was there with Carrie, so we
enjoyed seeing everybody who was there. A lot of former
Trump administration, you know, Larry Cudlow was there, and uh
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and um Kelly and Conway. You know the Lake I
saw too, Right, Carrie Lake was there, she told me,
And I said, because we were, you know, everyone's off
the record there were so it's a social event. It wasn't.
Well it's for the America Freight Uh Institute, but we're
there for a social event. But you know, I said,
can I mention this on air? Everybody? She says that
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the fight continues. She says, does anyone really think it's okay?
I just she sort of put it to me this
way that in the places where on election day I
was supposed to meaning Carrie Lake was supposed to do
the strongest, the election machines are shutting down all over
the place and people have to wait four hours in
line to vote. Of course, mail in balloting is going
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to crush same day voting if you shut down same
day voting in some of the most crowded precincts. Right,
I mean that, I will say, she makes a good
point on that. Right, They were just supposed to accept that.
Somehow the woman overseeing the election, who is her opponent
in the election, just goes Whoopsie ran out of printer
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and toner cartridges or whatever in Arizona in some key
areas where the red turnout was expected to be strongest. Yeah,
that's an issue, folks. I mean that's a problem. It
is a little bit now unfortunately, like well, you know,
if the refs called the game one way, even if
they were paid off, it's very hard to get them
to switch it around. But I do think, Clay, that
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there needs to be much more, much more of a
look at not just we've been saying the systems need
to change, but how what was done in these systems
that made it this way. So I think there's a lot,
a lot that still has to be enough anyway to
the Trump issue. There was also the announcement I was
on air, you were off on front. Were you hanging
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with the with the fam? I forgot what do you?
I knew? I was just traveling for the Patriot Awards
to get back in advance. I was in Lexington over
the weekend, met a lot of our listeners. I'm gonna
be at the Michigan Ohio state game over this weekend.
I've been on the road for like fifteen straight weeks.
What happened to my beloved Voles. I feel like the
defense did not come through as I would have liked
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them too. Congratulations to our listeners in South Carolina. I
was incredibly destroyed on Saturday night, as was the Tennessee
defense with a playoff birth to be grabbed. Biggest loss
in twenty years. Uh, this is I mean, this is
what keeps me humble. My team is just getting the
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crap kicked out of them. So now I've got to
I've got to rebuild, got to rebuild. Buck. It was
a tough one. It'll be all right, man, We're here
for you. So so, but on Friday, so while you
while you're traveling, the news breaks of these two add
So there's one special counsel who is overseeing it, but
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it's really two separate criminal probes, one into January six
and the other into the documents at Mara Lago. So
now we really have I just want everying to keep
track of this because it is hard. You really need
to start thinking spreadsheet for Trump's arrangement, syndrome lawfare, which
is what they're doing here, the usage of the law
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in political warfare. And and you have so you had
the Russia collusion, which was obviously and really Russia collusion
was based into the Muller probe had subheadings, right, it
was the Russia collusion component and then the obstruction component,
which they were also trying to prove totally separate from
the actual did Russia collude, which obviously that was crazy.
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It didn't happen. Now you have these two, you also
have Alvin Bragg in New York, the district attorney there,
the woke, progressive, lunatic district attorney who still has his
job because Kathy Hulkel is still the governor of New York. Unfortunately,
Lee Zelden almost pulled it off, but didn't. Clay. You
have that investigation about Stormy Daniels. You had Letitia James,
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the Attorney General of the State of New York, bringing
a civil investigation around inflation of assets. What else? There's
some others I think that I haven't even what are
I can't think of all the Trump and oh the Trumpe.
There's a Georgia investigation going on from the Georgia like
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Da Atlanta Air. I can't even keep up over what
exactly was said it happened there. There are I mean,
there's like five or six different investigations going on simultaneous.
And the woman who wrote the book and said that
Trump's actually assaulted her decades, you know, like thirty years
ago in the department store she I saw. She's you know,
coming back now she's trying to do a personal suit
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against Trump over that. Basically, the goal of the Democrats
seems to be to just sue and investigate Trump into submission.
And I have to say, this is one thing that
will not work because even people starting to get a
lot of people call with me a bar lago. I'll
tell you, they're like, you know, I'm starting to feel
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like I have a little bit of a concern here
about how this campaign would play out whatever. But then
they announced the special counsels and I'm just back in
the bunker with Trump. Man. Can't allow this to go
as a tool for the left without pushback. I mean,
I think there's a big sense, there's a big sense
among a lot of people that it's almost they make
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it bigger than Trump by being such lunatics with how
they're trying to destroy Trump, like they want him to run,
but they also have to prosecute him. They can't let
him run fairly. They want him He's their great satan.
The only thing holding the Democrat Party together is Trump.
There was a stat I was reading over the weekend.
It was in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal,
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I don't remember which one, that thirty eight percent of
voters said they went to go cast a vote against
Joe Biden because they thought, Hey, he's doing such a
bad job. Buck. Thirty six percent of people went to
go cast a vote against Donald Trump. He's not in office, right,
So Democrats have managed to connect Trump to mid terms
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that are occurring when he's out of office and motivate
their base to go vote based on that. So they
both simultaneously need him and want him to run. And
I think that's some of the essence of what's going
on with these charges. Now we come back in this
next segment, I'll tell you what I thought about the
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special counsel announcement, because it's actually something if you listen
to the show. I don't know if somebody going to the
the archives. I said there should have been a special
counsel appointed the minute that they began this investigation, and
I didn't hear hardly anybody arguing for that. But the
minute that the Mari lago investigation began. I said, you know,
this can't be run by Merrick Garland, but what does
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it mean that he's decided now to do it? If
you brought so you're talking about the special counsels against Trump,
because the reality is, if you were trying to create
in like a lab the perfect case study of when
you would need a special counsel to be appointed, it
would be the son of a sitting president who's getting
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millions of dollars from foreign adversaries states who's under federal
investigation for a variety of crimes. That is, if you
were yiding the basis for the special council to even exist,
it would be Hunter Biden. And notice we don't. There's
no Hunter Biden special Council, which is, by the way,
if there was, I would start to think maybe maybe
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they do have some plans for a Hunter. The reason
they don't is because ultimately Merrick Garland gets to steer
this thing and make sure that the sitting president of
the Democrat Party's son is in no real criminal jeopardy.
This is how they play the game. Meanwhile, you know,
we have people on our side and the right thing.
Where are printaples? You know? We get like Lose Cheney
lecturing us about all this stuff while they're trying to
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just it is, to your point, impossible to justify a
special counsel for Trump and not also have a special
council for Hunter Biden. It's impossible to justify. But here
we are. So you know, I was supposed to be
out today because I was going to go shooting with
my brothers and a couple of friends who are former Seals.
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in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
show if the Department of Justice can show that these
were indeed very sensitive documents, which I think they probably were,
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and also showed that the President consciously was involved in
its leading the department, deceiving the government and playing games
after he had received the subpoena for the documents. Those
are serious charges. I personally think that they probably have
the basis for legitimately inditing the pressure. I don't know,
I'm speculating, but but given what's gone on, I think
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they probably have the evidence that would check the box.
They have the case. Do you think they will? I
think it's becoming increasingly more likely, increasingly more likely that
they will indict the the only Republican officially running for
the twenty twenty four nomination. I remember we did tell
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you this. We call this one right that the the
presidential election basically starts the day after the mid term
here because of all the dynamics. There's no h into regnum,
there's no you know, time, the no honeymoon period or
whatever you want to call it. It goes right into it.
And the announcement of these really dual Special Council investigations
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into the into former President Trump shows exactly where this
is heading. For one thing, Clay, it means that we're
going to have an ongoing What I said about the
machinery of the Democrats, I think that's absolutely true. CNN,
these chips, they're gonna start ramping it up more and more.
You're gonna have just the drip drip updates of anti
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Trump daily propaganda from these investigations, right, and even if
it's not leaks from the investigations, it'll just be speculation
from home. The speculation here, a speculation there about where
this is all going. If they indict Trump, I mean
it's two years, so there's probably yeah, they could delay.
But if you're Trump, how do you play that? Right?
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What do you do? Obviously you rally people to your banner,
but I think you want the trial to proceed before.
You probably wanted to go more quickly. You don't want
to hang over your head. I don't know. This is
uncharted territory, man. This is wild stuff we're looking at,
and it looks likely. It's it's wild. But this is
one where I would say, buck, I think Trump getting
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indicted helps him, and I think Democrats to know that
Trump getting indicted helps him with Republicans but hurts him
with independence. So this is one where I actually think
they are being smart and strategic. And I know sometimes
we give too much credit to Democrats and sometimes they're
just incompetent. The way I see this playing out is
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in their mind. The thing you need to understand is
Democrats want Donald Trump to be the nominee in twenty
twenty four. Okay, I understand there's some of you out
there that are saying they're doing this because they don't
want him to be No, no, no no, no no. Democrats,
if they could hand select the Republican nominee right now,
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they would pick Donald Trump. And I think what they
know is when they indict him, it strengthens him with
the Republican base because you and me and a lot
of our listeners out there buck are going to be
outraged by the very idea that the sitting president Joe Biden,
is dieting his political rival effectively, and they're doing it
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under the cloak and dagger of the Special Council. So
I don't think that they would be willing. Actually, I
can't say what they're willing to do and not willing
to do, because I'm not of the left, and I
think that they're I think that there is a very
high correlation between delusion, mental illness and being a far
left wing Democrat. I really, I really do believe that.
I'm not just saying that, So I can't tell you
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exactly what they're willing to do. I don't think they
believe that this ends with Donald Trump actually spending time
in a minimum security federal prison somewhere. I don't think
they believe that there are there's some of their left
wing generally crazy people, but I mean, I mean the
ones calling the shot the rational. Yes, I mean the
ones that are in power and that you know, the
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ones that are involved in this White House, etc. Yeah,
of course there's crazy people all over the place commenting
online about this. But I think it's much more likely
that they would if they bring this indictment, which seems
like a better than I've been told by two former
attorney generals personally but without attribution, in effect, that they
think that they are going to indict Donald Trump. Yeah,
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so let's call it better than fifty fifty. If they
indict him, the trial is happening now. The trial is
not going to be some huge sensational thing. By the way,
the problem with bringing the documents part of the trail.
Let's say it's the Marlago thing, the January sticks thing.
I think they probably can't make that stick, but maybe
they think they can if it is the mar Lago documents.
I know a bit about this because I had a
top secret clearance and I know how these things work.
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You're never gonna find if they're never gonna stand up
in court and be like, see the nuclear codes written
on toilet paper next to the photo of Kim Jong Um, Like,
that's never gonna happen because you're exposing that they've become
part of the court record, and they say, oh, well,
we'll just have it secretively. Oh, you're gonna prosecute based
on secret evidence the former presidents of the United States.
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That's not gonna fly. I think you though, you might
get into a phase where even if you get an indictment,
say on obstruction, which wouldn't require the documents and it's
rarely be public, that wouldn't be a central Let's say
they get Trump on criminal structure of justice, which they've
wanted Clay as you know since the Mueller probe, Joe
Biden's in a position he will not pardon Trump, of course,
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but he may commute. He may commute it, right, and
so then you have the indicted and convicted and commuted
former president running against Joe Budden. Does anyone think this
is too crazy? Because I think it's I'm not saying
it's going to happen. I think it could happen. Yere's
the big thing I think that takes away. If you
strengthen Trump with your basse and get him the Republican nomination,
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it would simultaneously crush him to have been indicted with
independent voters, and it would hand Democrats the White House.
So I think their play. I think there's a little
bit of four dimensional chess going on here is indict Trump,
which strengthens him with the base, makes him the nominee,
but weakens his chances to actually win in twenty twenty
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four because independent voters, as we saw law, are not
breaking for Trump. They bought into this great Satan argument.
But Clay, you're leaving out here the big X factor,
which is if Hogan, the governor of Maryland, decides to run,
oh man, everything changes up the base. The base is
gonna flock to that guy. They'd be like, oh, we
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don't need Trump. You got Hogan. Yeah, Larry Hogan, it's
gonna it's gonna be a great thing to have. Is
he the governor to even get that? Yeah, he is
the governor Maryland. Yeah, former governor Maryland. Is in buck
Sexton on the front lines of truth,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition, Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we hit Thanksgiving week. I know many of you
may be traveling this week. You may be out and
about all over the country, and we are certainly thankful
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that you are choosing to spend your time with us.
Kids are out in the Travis household. Buck. If you
hear screaming and yelling in the background, it may well
be video games. It might be the World Cup which
is underway. There are any number of things which the
Travis boys could be cartwheeling about the house discussing what
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we are going to discuss, many different things. Lauren Bobert
is going to join us at one thirty. She has
been reelected in Colorado despite the fact that MSNBC said
she should go on only fans. I bet that Lauren
Bobert will be pretty entertaining in the second hour with us.
But Buck, let's start here. Two years ago, you will
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remember Donald Trump sat down for an interview with Leslie
Stall of sixty minutes, and during the course of that interview,
Trump asked her why sixty minutes and CBS were not
actually covering the Hunter Biden and Joe Biden laptop scandal,
and Leslie Stall said, oh, well, we can't verify it,
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and maybe at some point we will play that audio
for those of you, again who cannot remember that moment.
But this morning, Buck, you can imagine my surprise when
I woke up and after two years, CBS News finally
wants all of its audience to know a little while
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after the mid terms, two years after Joe Biden entered
into the White House. Oh yeah, it wasn't disinformation, it
wasn't a rush and plot. The Hunter Biden laptop, it's real.
Just listen to this audio. And then I've got so
many thoughts about this, Buck, and I know you do too.
For those of you who did not hear it, and
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I certainly understand if you weren't watching CBS this morning,
it's important that they are just now telling their audience,
Oh yeah, this laptop, it's real. As Republicans take control
of the House, Hunter Biden, the President's sign will be
a target for investigations, and that means data from a
laptop reported to belong to Biden could be crucial to
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the investigatory process. CBS News has obtained its data not
through a third party or political operative, but directly from
the source who told us they provided it to the
FBI under subpoena, and we commissioned an independent forensic review
to determine its authenticity. See Your investigative Corresponding Katherine Harris
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joins us now with what we've found, Good morning, Tony.
The laptop data we had analyzed showed no evidence it
was faked or tampered with independent forensic review. Clay, Well,
that's just the gold standard right there. I mean, after
two years of every person with even the most basic
brain power available to them understanding that this is real.
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I'm so glad they brought in some random guy or
gal or whomever to tell us we already know so now,
but this is interesting. There are different theories here. Well,
first of why do I want to tell you why
I think CBS is doing this? Why do you think
CBS is doing this at this stage? I think because
and I am fascinated by this story on so many
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levels in terms of the timing and why they're doing it.
Two years later, I think they know that the evidence
is going to come out. This is why winning the
House was consequential. I think they know that when the
investigation starts inside the House of Representing Representatives surrounding the laptop,
that the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that
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it's going to be virtually impossible to argue that the
Hunter Biden laptop isn't real. And so I think they're
getting ahead of the investigation and the fact that they're
going to have to cover it so they can say, well,
we're not following what the House of Representatives investigation is
telling us. We did our own independent verification and we
told you it was real, right, So I think that
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that's I would largely just co sign to that. I
was wondering if you were going to say, which is
why I pushed it to you there. Well, because step okay,
believe this, Yeah, that that they're going to indict Hunter Biden.
And so this is a process where the media has
to start to has to start to get the So
is that where you because I still think that's the
next day, because I think that's that's what they're going
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to say publicly. But I think the next step is
they are going to indict Hunter Biden and uh. And
on top of that, Buck, I know I said I
that I believe that I I signed on to co
signed on to your argument that Hunter Biden's going to
be the nominee in twenty twenty four. I also think though,
that there is a certain amount of you know, the
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proverbial long knives coming out for Biden, and I wonder
how much this lack of protection for him may be
geared towards him not being able. So there's a whole
other that's a big step. So there's a big Okay.
I still think they're not going to charge him, or
if they do charge Hunter Biden, it will be essentially
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a way to let him out, you know, let him
off super easy basically. And this goes back to our
lugs ending bet. Now you've got a month clay whether
or not he will face If he doesn't face prison,
they're letting him off with it. It's a joke. It's
a slap on the risk given what he did, just
the scale of the tax fraud implications here. If you
don't declare to everyone out in our audience, they already
know this first of all, if you're making millions of dollars, congratulations,
(05:55):
but not if you're getting it from you know, Chinese
backed Communist party payoffs for your debt. But if you're
if you make millions of dollars and you don't declare it,
you're gonna go to prison right when they find that
you haven't declared the million, you're not gonna get a like, hey,
don't do that again. So that's one part of it,
I think for CBS, and maybe this is a more
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minor component of this, but they need the people that
still watch CBS News. Funnily enough, I was an intern
there when I was eighteen years old and had no
interest in media at the time, but I just kind
of happened to find myself in the CBS eating newsroom.
The people that still watch CBS they want to believe Clay,
that it's the gold standard. And so this allows them,
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if they believe CBS up to this point, to say, well, look,
they've gotta you know, an independent forensic analyst now. So
because that's because they're so honest. That's why they're so honest.
And I know that's silly to us, but if you
were a true believer in the journalistic integrity of it,
of an organization like CBS, it gives you at least
a plausible deniability of the stupidity of pretending the laptop
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wasn't real. Right, You're not dumb. You just needed to
wait for the independent forensic analysis. On your Biden point, though,
I don't know why you think. This is where I
don't know why you think that there's some anti Biden
sense growing in the Democrat Party. I want you to
expand on this for me and everybody a little bit,
because you see the poll over the weekend, seventy one
percent of Democrats believe that Joe Biden would be reelected. Now,
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they may not want him to be the guy, but
if almost three quarters of them think he wins, there's
no way he's not running and I don't wheel him
out and they don't care what's going on. I mean,
they'll put aviators on him all day twenty four to seven.
They don't care. Well, here's my analogy, and I do
think it's a good one. Trump and Biden are right now,
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two heavyweight fighters in the twelfth round of their fight,
and the only reason both of them are not on
the mat is because the other one is there and
they're kind of holding each other up. Anybody who's watched boxing,
especially heavyweight boxing, when the big men basically punched themselves
out and they're done and it's late in the fight,
(08:12):
they oftentimes just end up grappling with each other and
kind of leaning on one another. That's where I think
Biden and Trump are right now, and increasingly the only
reason to run Joe Biden is because Democrats believe that
Donald Trump will be the nominee for Republicans, and they think,
and they may well be right, that they can wheel
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out Biden and he will beat Trump. I'm starting to
think that Democrats are becoming aware that Trump is not
a set in stone candidate for Republicans. You know, they
had the big event and I believe Las Vegas over
the weekend with all the different contenders that were out
there speaking to that. I think it was the Jewish Coalition,
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and that's not the official name, but it was a
powerful Republican Jewish organization was having its its event and
everybody showed up there to speak. I think Trump is
going to face a bevy of challengers, and I think
Democrats are having second thoughts because just play this out.
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Imagine that, say Ron De Santis is the Republican nominee,
and he's going against Joe Biden. I think Ron De
Santis would obliterate Joe Biden. I think we could be
talking about as close to a landslide election, oh Man,
as we have seen. I wish I could. I wish
I could see it that way after this, After this election,
(09:37):
I think, I think we gotta do a lot of
retrenching and rethinking about who people are willing to vote
for Clay in some of these states. How powerful the
Democrat machinery isn't so I think you and I can
agree that whether it's Rohn De Santis or Trump or
anyone else, it's gonna come down to two or three
percentage points in the electorate. I think. So you think
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that that that that whole paradigm is swept away if
it's the Santists. I just feel like that. I think
the generational thing is so massive for independent voters. I
saw a stat over the weekend buck Wall Street Journal
eighty six percent of Americans think that you shouldn't be
able to run for president if you're over seventy five
years old, eighty six percent. And so I think that generationally,
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if you had RHN de Santists or Glenn Young can
by the way, going up against Biden, I think that
Democrats would get absolutely obliterated, and I think as soon
as Trump were out of the picture, they would kick
Biden to the curb faster than they could at all.
That's like I want to agree, I want to believe you,
or rather I want to agree with you, because obviously
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we're talking about the future here. I just think we
got to keep the Federman rule in mind here, my friend,
I think I think the election the same way that
it's very different issue. But but what the Democrats did
to Brett Kavanaugh was a political lesson in per destruction
that everybody of fair mind in the country should always remember.
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I mean, they told the most heinous and demonstrably absurd
lies about a guy, and they were gleeful and Kamala
did it right. That was like a seminal moment. That
was a sea change. I think in a lot of
people thinking about right about who the Democrat Party really
is and what they're willing to do to hold power
on the Supreme Court, how it's important to them. I
think the Federman election needs to be thought of as
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a as a changing moment in the mindset of the
American electorate, or at least the Pennsylvania electorate, and therefore,
what's possible in other states, which is under the right
circumstances of get out the vote, universal mail in ballot,
Democrat propaganda, and the media, it's, you know, go down
the list. They can elect literally anybody who is alive.
(11:51):
That's it. And I've been thinking about the Fetterman thing
a lot, and I wonder how much of it was
a perfect storm of Republican ineptitude. But let me just
say this about Fetterman versus Biden, whether we believe it
or not, Fetterman is not so old that he couldn't
recover from his stroke and be better right now. I
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don't know. I'm not a medical expert. I don't know
what the prognosis is for John Fetterman in three years.
But they tried to dangle out the idea he's recovering
from a stroke, he could get back to normalcy. There's
people out there listening to us right now that have
recovered from strokes and probably feel like they're close back
to normal. Joe Biden is not ever going to get better.
(12:33):
He can only get worse. Right So, I don't know
that if you're gonna make that argument, I don't know
that Democrats made it well. But at least with Fetterman,
there is that possibility of hey, in two years, he
could be back to what he was. I don't know
that I buy it. I'm not a doctor, but at
least that is possible in two years. Joe Biden is
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not suddenly going to be fifty five again. He's going
to be worse than he is now. And he's bad now, right.
I don't think a great satan and I think him up.
This is the problem is that it doesn't Joe Biden.
You always say ron Klain is like the de facto
president by the White House, so you get a ron
Clain presidency. Biden's you know, hand will shake a little
(13:16):
bit as he signs whatever he's told to sign, He'll
say whatever's in the prompter. If he stumbles, they say,
don't be mean. You know, you've actually reached a point
now with with the Feederment election, they manage to do
what they have done in other contexts, which is is
run in a political race somebody who's a victim, and
therefore if you criticize them, you're a bad person. But
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they usually don't do that for office. They usually do
that with surrogates, right. They did it with the so
called um you know, the jury. I think they're called
the Jersey Girls or the Jersey Wives, which were four
or five women who lost husbands in nine to eleven
who were just cutting campaign commercials for John Kerry and
we just straight up don't elect Bush. Elect John Kerry.
Were the nine eleven widows. I'm sorry, that's what they're
(13:59):
called the nine eleven widow There were thousands of nine
to eleven widows, right, I mean the notion that these women,
but they were victims, so you couldn't criticize them. Now
we have victim candidates. Now you could say there's been
some of those in the past, but I mean victim
as in their ability to physically and mentally do a
job candidates. And I think Democrats are fine with it
(14:19):
as long as long as their party ultimate. It's just
about the scoreboard for them, wherever the votes lie and
whatever ideology gets to be pushed. So well, let's come
back to this, because we haven't even talked about Trump yet.
I was at Marlago on Friday. Yeah, it was it
was an interesting event because he had to address the
fact that they are. We haven't even mentioned this yet
on the show. I talked about it a little bit
Fridays it broke. There are now two additional special counsel
(14:43):
overseen criminal investigations of Donald Trump and Clay Did you
see there's another criminal investigation that they are rebooting today
of Donald Trump. We will talk about this because this
is the apparatus, this is the machinery at work. We'll
get into it in just a moment. Stay with us, everybody.
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Welcome back to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We
talked about how CBS authenticated with their super serious expert
the Hunter Biden laptop that everybody who is possessed of
a higher IQ than a toaster of it already knew
was real. But CBS there a lot of a lot
of questions, a lot of questions over at CBS about
(16:29):
the laptop. And let's recall that in the most condescending
we are the serious journalists here, sir, tone possible. Leslie
Stall of CBS sat down with then President Trump talking
to him about this, and she basically wanted him to know, sir, sorry,
you can't have that silly Hunter Biden laptop being real,
(16:53):
not on my watch, not allowed. Here's what she said,
it's the biggest scandal out there, Leslie. I think it's
I think it's one of the biggest scandals I've ever seen.
And you don't go through it because you want to
talk about because they can't be verified. I want to
talk about insignificant things. I'm telling you, of course they
can be verified. Excuse me, they found the laptop, Leslie?
(17:17):
What can't be verified the laptop? Why you said that
even the family hasn't the family on the laptop. He's
got into hiding for five days, he's got into hid mean,
just Clay. The basic premise here is I guess nothing
can ever be really verified. Are you really sitting there?
Am I really sitting here? The verification two years later,
(17:41):
Buck ended up being they gave it to a random
computer dude in Minneapolis and he said, yeah, it's real.
Now it took two years. Are you really telling me
that sixty minutes, which probably has the most investigative resources
of any journalistic entity, almost certainly on television in the country,
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couldn't have done that in October of twenty twenty, that
that was impossible, Like Leslie Stall said, to verify it.
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Buck Sexton on the front lines of Welcome Back in
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Clay Sorravis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us as we continue to break down all
of the latest craziness. Buck I was out Friday and
you went to Mara Lago over the weekend, and connected
to all of that is that there's now a special
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counsel investigating the president surrounding January sixth, and Mara Lago,
New York, as you teased a few minutes ago, is
now reopening a criminal investigation into payments made to Stormy Daniels.
According to The New York Times, they truly are convinced
that Trump is the great Satan, and the continuing fallout
(20:00):
of these cases will be taking place over frankly, the
next couple of years, I really do believe. But before
we get into analyzing special council, what that could tell
us and more. You were at Mara Lago over the weekend,
the President was there. What was the vibe like in general?
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I mean, everybody was in good spirits. You're at a
black tie event at one of the great uh mansions built.
I think it was one of the nineteen nineteen twenties.
I think one of the last sort of great mansions
of that erra to be built in the US. It's
an amazing property. I was there with Carrie, so we
enjoyed seeing everybody who was there. A lot of former
Trump administration, you know, Larry Cudlow was there, and uh
(20:43):
and um Kelly and Conway. You know the Lake I
saw too, Right, Carrie Lake was there, she told me,
And I said, because we were, you know, everyone's off
the record there were so it's a social event. It wasn't.
Well it's for the America Freight Uh Institute, but we're
there for a social event. But you know, I said,
can I mention this on air? Everybody? She says that
(21:03):
the fight continues. She says, does anyone really think it's okay?
I just she sort of put it to me this
way that in the places where on election day I
was supposed to meaning Carrie Lake was supposed to do
the strongest, the election machines are shutting down all over
the place and people have to wait four hours in
line to vote. Of course, mail in balloting is going
(21:25):
to crush same day voting if you shut down same
day voting in some of the most crowded precincts. Right,
I mean that, I will say, she makes a good
point on that. Right, They were just supposed to accept that.
Somehow the woman overseeing the election, who is her opponent
in the election, just goes Whoopsie ran out of printer
(21:46):
and toner cartridges or whatever in Arizona in some key
areas where the red turnout was expected to be strongest. Yeah,
that's an issue, folks. I mean that's a problem. It
is a little bit now unfortunately, like well, you know,
if the refs called the game one way, even if
they were paid off, it's very hard to get them
to switch it around. But I do think, Clay, that
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there needs to be much more, much more of a
look at not just we've been saying the systems need
to change, but how what was done in these systems
that made it this way. So I think there's a lot,
a lot that still has to be enough anyway to
the Trump issue. There was also the announcement I was
on air, you were off on front. Were you hanging
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with the with the fam? I forgot what do you?
I knew? I was just traveling for the Patriot Awards
to get back in advance. I was in Lexington over
the weekend, met a lot of our listeners. I'm gonna
be at the Michigan Ohio state game over this weekend.
I've been on the road for like fifteen straight weeks.
What happened to my beloved Voles. I feel like the
defense did not come through as I would have liked
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them too. Congratulations to our listeners in South Carolina. I
was incredibly destroyed on Saturday night, as was the Tennessee
defense with a playoff birth to be grabbed. Biggest loss
in twenty years. Uh, this is I mean, this is
what keeps me humble. My team is just getting the
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crap kicked out of them. So now I've got to
I've got to rebuild, got to rebuild. Buck. It was
a tough one. It'll be all right, man, We're here
for you. So so, but on Friday, so while you
while you're traveling, the news breaks of these two add
So there's one special counsel who is overseeing it, but
(23:32):
it's really two separate criminal probes, one into January six
and the other into the documents at Mara Lago. So
now we really have I just want everying to keep
track of this because it is hard. You really need
to start thinking spreadsheet for Trump's arrangement, syndrome lawfare, which
is what they're doing here, the usage of the law
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in political warfare. And and you have so you had
the Russia collusion, which was obviously and really Russia collusion
was based into the Muller probe had subheadings, right, it
was the Russia collusion component and then the obstruction component,
which they were also trying to prove totally separate from
the actual did Russia collude, which obviously that was crazy.
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It didn't happen. Now you have these two, you also
have Alvin Bragg in New York, the district attorney there,
the woke, progressive, lunatic district attorney who still has his
job because Kathy Hulkel is still the governor of New York. Unfortunately,
Lee Zelden almost pulled it off, but didn't. Clay. You
have that investigation about Stormy Daniels. You had Letitia James,
(24:33):
the Attorney General of the State of New York, bringing
a civil investigation around inflation of assets. What else? There's
some others I think that I haven't even what are
I can't think of all the Trump and oh the Trumpe.
There's a Georgia investigation going on from the Georgia like
(24:56):
Da Atlanta Air. I can't even keep up over what
exactly was said it happened there. There are I mean,
there's like five or six different investigations going on simultaneous.
And the woman who wrote the book and said that
Trump's actually assaulted her decades, you know, like thirty years
ago in the department store she I saw. She's you know,
coming back now she's trying to do a personal suit
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against Trump over that. Basically, the goal of the Democrats
seems to be to just sue and investigate Trump into submission.
And I have to say, this is one thing that
will not work because even people starting to get a
lot of people call with me a bar lago. I'll
tell you, they're like, you know, I'm starting to feel
(25:37):
like I have a little bit of a concern here
about how this campaign would play out whatever. But then
they announced the special counsels and I'm just back in
the bunker with Trump. Man. Can't allow this to go
as a tool for the left without pushback. I mean,
I think there's a big sense, there's a big sense
among a lot of people that it's almost they make
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it bigger than Trump by being such lunatics with how
they're trying to destroy Trump, like they want him to run,
but they also have to prosecute him. They can't let
him run fairly. They want him He's their great satan.
The only thing holding the Democrat Party together is Trump.
There was a stat I was reading over the weekend.
It was in the New York Times or Wall Street Journal,
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I don't remember which one, that thirty eight percent of
voters said they went to go cast a vote against
Joe Biden because they thought, Hey, he's doing such a
bad job. Buck. Thirty six percent of people went to
go cast a vote against Donald Trump. He's not in office, right,
So Democrats have managed to connect Trump to mid terms
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that are occurring when he's out of office and motivate
their base to go vote based on that. So they
both simultaneously need him and want him to run. And
I think that's some of the essence of what's going
on with these charges. Now we come back in this
next segment, I'll tell you what I thought about the
(27:08):
special counsel announcement, because it's actually something if you listen
to the show. I don't know if somebody going to the
the archives. I said there should have been a special
counsel appointed the minute that they began this investigation, and
I didn't hear hardly anybody arguing for that. But the
minute that the Mari lago investigation began. I said, you know,
this can't be run by Merrick Garland, but what does
(27:31):
it mean that he's decided now to do it? If
you brought so you're talking about the special counsels against Trump,
because the reality is, if you were trying to create
in like a lab the perfect case study of when
you would need a special counsel to be appointed, it
would be the son of a sitting president who's getting
(27:51):
millions of dollars from foreign adversaries states who's under federal
investigation for a variety of crimes. That is, if you
were yiding the basis for the special council to even exist,
it would be Hunter Biden. And notice we don't. There's
no Hunter Biden special Council, which is, by the way,
if there was, I would start to think maybe maybe
(28:13):
they do have some plans for a Hunter. The reason
they don't is because ultimately Merrick Garland gets to steer
this thing and make sure that the sitting president of
the Democrat Party's son is in no real criminal jeopardy.
This is how they play the game. Meanwhile, you know,
we have people on our side and the right thing.
Where are printaples? You know? We get like Lose Cheney
lecturing us about all this stuff while they're trying to
(28:34):
just it is, to your point, impossible to justify a
special counsel for Trump and not also have a special
council for Hunter Biden. It's impossible to justify. But here
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in an Insane World The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
show if the Department of Justice can show that these
were indeed very sensitive documents, which I think they probably were,
(30:46):
and also showed that the President consciously was involved in
its leading the department, deceiving the government and playing games
after he had received the subpoena for the documents. Those
are serious charges. I personally think that they probably have
the basis for legitimately inditing the pressure. I don't know,
I'm speculating, but but given what's gone on, I think
(31:09):
they probably have the evidence that would check the box.
They have the case. Do you think they will? I
think it's becoming increasingly more likely, increasingly more likely that
they will indict the the only Republican officially running for
the twenty twenty four nomination. I remember we did tell
(31:31):
you this. We call this one right that the the
presidential election basically starts the day after the mid term
here because of all the dynamics. There's no h into regnum,
there's no you know, time, the no honeymoon period or
whatever you want to call it. It goes right into it.
And the announcement of these really dual Special Council investigations
(31:52):
into the into former President Trump shows exactly where this
is heading. For one thing, Clay, it means that we're
going to have an ongoing What I said about the
machinery of the Democrats, I think that's absolutely true. CNN,
these chips, they're gonna start ramping it up more and more.
You're gonna have just the drip drip updates of anti
(32:12):
Trump daily propaganda from these investigations, right, and even if
it's not leaks from the investigations, it'll just be speculation
from home. The speculation here, a speculation there about where
this is all going. If they indict Trump, I mean
it's two years, so there's probably yeah, they could delay.
But if you're Trump, how do you play that? Right?
(32:35):
What do you do? Obviously you rally people to your banner,
but I think you want the trial to proceed before.
You probably wanted to go more quickly. You don't want
to hang over your head. I don't know. This is
uncharted territory, man. This is wild stuff we're looking at,
and it looks likely. It's it's wild. But this is
one where I would say, buck, I think Trump getting
(32:56):
indicted helps him, and I think Democrats to know that
Trump getting indicted helps him with Republicans but hurts him
with independence. So this is one where I actually think
they are being smart and strategic. And I know sometimes
we give too much credit to Democrats and sometimes they're
just incompetent. The way I see this playing out is
(33:20):
in their mind. The thing you need to understand is
Democrats want Donald Trump to be the nominee in twenty
twenty four. Okay, I understand there's some of you out
there that are saying they're doing this because they don't
want him to be No, no, no no, no no. Democrats,
if they could hand select the Republican nominee right now,
(33:41):
they would pick Donald Trump. And I think what they
know is when they indict him, it strengthens him with
the Republican base because you and me and a lot
of our listeners out there buck are going to be
outraged by the very idea that the sitting president Joe Biden,
is dieting his political rival effectively, and they're doing it
(34:04):
under the cloak and dagger of the Special Council. So
I don't think that they would be willing. Actually, I
can't say what they're willing to do and not willing
to do, because I'm not of the left, and I
think that they're I think that there is a very
high correlation between delusion, mental illness and being a far
left wing Democrat. I really, I really do believe that.
I'm not just saying that, So I can't tell you
(34:25):
exactly what they're willing to do. I don't think they
believe that this ends with Donald Trump actually spending time
in a minimum security federal prison somewhere. I don't think
they believe that there are there's some of their left
wing generally crazy people, but I mean, I mean the
ones calling the shot the rational. Yes, I mean the
ones that are in power and that you know, the
(34:46):
ones that are involved in this White House, etc. Yeah,
of course there's crazy people all over the place commenting
online about this. But I think it's much more likely
that they would if they bring this indictment, which seems
like a better than I've been told by two former
attorney generals personally but without attribution, in effect, that they
think that they are going to indict Donald Trump. Yeah,
(35:08):
so let's call it better than fifty fifty. If they
indict him, the trial is happening now. The trial is
not going to be some huge sensational thing. By the way,
the problem with bringing the documents part of the trail.
Let's say it's the Marlago thing, the January sticks thing.
I think they probably can't make that stick, but maybe
they think they can if it is the mar Lago documents.
I know a bit about this because I had a
top secret clearance and I know how these things work.
(35:30):
You're never gonna find if they're never gonna stand up
in court and be like, see the nuclear codes written
on toilet paper next to the photo of Kim Jong Um, Like,
that's never gonna happen because you're exposing that they've become
part of the court record, and they say, oh, well,
we'll just have it secretively. Oh, you're gonna prosecute based
on secret evidence the former presidents of the United States.
(35:51):
That's not gonna fly. I think you though, you might
get into a phase where even if you get an indictment,
say on obstruction, which wouldn't require the documents and it's
rarely be public, that wouldn't be a central Let's say
they get Trump on criminal structure of justice, which they've
wanted Clay as you know since the Mueller probe, Joe
Biden's in a position he will not pardon Trump, of course,
(36:12):
but he may commute. He may commute it, right, and
so then you have the indicted and convicted and commuted
former president running against Joe Budden. Does anyone think this
is too crazy? Because I think it's I'm not saying
it's going to happen. I think it could happen. Yere's
the big thing I think that takes away. If you
strengthen Trump with your basse and get him the Republican nomination,
(36:36):
it would simultaneously crush him to have been indicted with
independent voters, and it would hand Democrats the White House.
So I think their play. I think there's a little
bit of four dimensional chess going on here is indict Trump,
which strengthens him with the base, makes him the nominee,
but weakens his chances to actually win in twenty twenty
(36:57):
four because independent voters, as we saw law, are not
breaking for Trump. They bought into this great Satan argument.
But Clay, you're leaving out here the big X factor,
which is if Hogan, the governor of Maryland, decides to run,
oh man, everything changes up the base. The base is
gonna flock to that guy. They'd be like, oh, we
(37:17):
don't need Trump. You got Hogan. Yeah, Larry Hogan, it's
gonna it's gonna be a great thing to have. Is
he the governor to even get that? Yeah, he is
the governor Maryland. Yeah, former governor Maryland. Is in buck
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