November 22, 2022 • 37 mins
Former Vice President Mike Pence joins Clay and Buck to discuss his new memoir, “So Help Me God,” and the future of the Republican party. Leftists see Russian manipulation in Elon Musk restoring Trump to Twitter. More discussion about the horrific murders at the University of Idaho. C&B take calls from Idaho residents and members of law enforcement who weigh in on the investigation of the quadruple murders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton
Show two days until Thanksgiving. If you find yourself traveling
across the country around the world, hope you're safe and
we appreciate you listening. We are thankful for all of you.
We're joined now by former Vice President Mike Pence, who's
got a new book out that is being well received.
And as we start with you, mister Vice President, I
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appreciate you giving us the time we've been talking. Faucci,
just thanks for having me on. Yeah, no doubt. The
book is so help me God. Released earlier this month.
Faucci just had his final press conference as he is
in the process of retiring. I'm sure you knew that
that was going on. We were just talking about it.
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Everything in twenty in hindsight is often twenty twenty in retrospect.
What could you and the Trump White House have done
better to not allow doctor Fauci to what I think
is quite frankly, drive us right off the cliff of sanity.
In terms of how we should respond to COVID, he
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said that people should still feel very proud if they're
wearing masks. He said that as you get ready together
with Thanksgiving family that continuing to get COVID tests could
make sense. Those are just some of the things he said,
not years ago, but just a few minutes ago at
the White House. Do you any regrets? Do you have
anything that you would change about doctor Fauci in particular
and COVID. Well, first, just let me say what what
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a what a privilege it is to be on with
with both of you, A great fan of the show,
Thank you, and uh and and was hountered to have
the opportunity to write my autobiography, So help me God.
That came out about a week ago. It's a story
of growing up here Indiana. It's a story of of
of you know, being raised by a combat veteran and
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a first generation Irish American, starting out as a Democrat,
joining the Republican Revolution, and then through decisions that I made,
beginning with the decision to put my faith in Jesus Christ,
the decision of marycare and Pence, we were able to
serve and advance the Conservative agenda and the Congress and
the governorship here in Indiana, and then as Vice President.
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I'm incredibly proud of the record of our administration and
I'm proud of what the American people accomplished during COVID. Guys,
there's a couple of chapters in my book, in one
of which is entitled Only in America, where I really
pay tribute to the extraordinary compassion of our healthcare workers,
the extraordinary generosity and innovation of American businesses. I mean,
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from the time I was I was tapped to lead
the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Guys, I was really
inspired by what the American people were doing. But in
those early days, you know, when I became the leader
of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, it was a
fairly small group. The President organized it a week a
month earlier, and it included doctor Tony Fauci and some
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other medical experts that would grow. But one of the
first decisions that I made was to add the Secretary
of the Treasury, the Secretary of Agriculture, Larry Cudlow, on
our economic team, because I knew that the advice that
we were going to give the President could not just be,
you know, the advice of the clinical doctors. It had
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to be balanced and take in the whole interest of
the American people. And as I as I write, and
so help me God, Um. You know, in those early days,
I know that doctor Fauci, when when we didn't know
what was coming, when we didn't understand the disease, and
Americans were anxious, we were reinventing, testing, we were manufacturing
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billions of supplies and and you know, over one hundred
thousand ventilators in a hundred days. I think in those
early days, doctor Fauci was a comfort to millions of
Americans and uh and and he always stayed in his lane.
That's how I put it in my book. I mean,
he was invariably the first person to say, look, I'll
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give you the scientist's perspective, but I understand the President's
got to consider a lot more. And that was one
of the reasons why, you know, one month into our
efforts to essentially buy time and slow the spread, we
worked to open up America again and stayed Like Mike,
when did you realize that that Fauci was actually a
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partisan and the absolute worst than hoping to deep six
the presidency that you were a part of. Well, early on,
I must tell you I didn't perceive it that way.
In fact, I thought President Trump and Fauci as a
couple of old New Yorkers, you know, had had a
good working relationship, but things began to shift, you know,
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toward the end. And I must tell you it grieves
my heart that the Biden administration lost more Americans in
their first year with COVID with all of the tools
that we left behind, including vaccines, more Americans than we
lost in our first year, and we, for the most
part had none of those tools. But I do think
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it is part and parcel of the Biden administration essentially
putting doctor Fauci in charge of the national response. You know,
there's the old saying that you know, when when you're
holding a hammer, everything's a nail. And I wasn't I
wasn't surprised that the Biden administration abandoned our commitment to
you know, therapeutics, abandoned our commitment to opening up states
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around the country, and and largely turned all of its
focus on vaccines and ultimately and wrongly mandated vaccines for
Americans that was partially turned aside by the conservative majority
on the Supreme Court. So, you know, as I said,
I think, uh, you know, it was it saddens me
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that the Biden administration, in so many ways squandered the
progress that we made and uh and putting doctor Fauci
in the lead of the Biden administration's response, I think
explains their focus on concentrating everything in Washington, concentrating everything
on vaccines, ultimately mandating vaccines instead of taking the whole
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of America federalist approach that we took in our administration.
We're speaking to former Vice President Mike Pence. He's got
a new book out, so help me God. Vice President
Pence tell us this. You know, the midterm election, there
were some bright spots, there were the votes in the aggregate,
but there wasn't the red wave that we needed, and
it seemed that there were a number of points of failure.
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Might be too strong a word for some people, but
I think for others it's not strong enough. Clearly there
were some problems and some places we came up short.
How do we fix that? Well, guys, look there, thanks
for saying you're the first. You're the first show not
surprisingly that said that there was a red wave some places.
I mean you'll look you look at at the governors
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or re elections in places like Texas and Florida, in
Georgia where they had probably the most formidable Democrat candidate
in the country, and Stacy Abrams raised one hundred million
dollars in Governor Brian Kemp, you know, won decisively in
the fall, and my friend Leezeldon came up short in
New York. But but he actually brought with him four
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new Republicans elected to Congress from the state of New York.
That could be our new margin of a Republican majority.
So I really do believe there were there were pockets,
there were places, and the common denominator to me, guys,
is that, you know, candidates that were focused on the future,
that were focused on the challenges facing the American people today,
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which are you know, border security and crime and record
inflation and high gasoline prices. Candidates that were focused on
the future did quite well, but candidly, those campaigns that
were focused on the past, including relitigating the past, did
not fare as well. We're talking to former Vice President
Mike Penn's his book out last week, so help me God.
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Donald Trump announced on Tuesday of last week, the same
day your book came out, in the evening, he announced
that he was going to be running for president in
twenty twenty four. I know that there were several people
speaking out in Las Vegas who might be interested in
potentially running in twenty twenty four as well. You are
among those. When would you think is the right time
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for you to officially decide if you are or are
not going to run in twenty twenty four. What kind
of timeline do you have in terms of making that decision. Well, first,
I'm always humbled to be asked, and early in my career,
as I write in the book So Help Me God,
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back in twenty ten, I had unfernational office. I ultimately
prayed through it with my wife, spoke to friends, and
we felt called to come home here at Indiana and
serve as governor of this great state. And that decision was,
you know, one of the great honors of my life
and led to opportunities to service as your vice president
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as well. So you know, what I can tell you
is that, you know, with two inactive duty military and
our immediate family, we actually haven't been together for the
last three years. But this Christmas, everybody's going to be
home in Indiana, and Karen and I are going to
take time as we always have, to sit down with
our kids, their spouses and talk to friends and continue
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to listen to the American people. And I always tell
people there's two kinds of people in politics. There's people
that are driven and people that are called. And if
you reach so help me God, you'll you'll hear that
I've been both. I've let my ambition get ahead of
my values in the past and the way that as
a Christian I feel called represent myself in the public square.
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But for the last twenty years, we've we've tried to
follow a calleague, guys, and so we're going to pray
through it and give it careful consideration, and some time
after the first of the year, we'll just discern what
our next calling might be. But I promised to keep
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton posted thank you. I appreciate that,
do you And as part of that, do you think
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Joe Biden will run? Do you think he should run
for reelection? And does his choice in any way impact
your own choice? Well, the thing I'll tell you emphatically
is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should not be reelected
as president and vice president. I no doubt, guys, I
knew they'd be bad. I didn't know they'd be this bad,
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this fast. But then again, you know, I mean, literally
from day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have been
dismantling the very policies that created the prosperity, the border security,
of the strength of our economy that we had in
those first three years of the Trump pens administration. I mean,
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they literally a gusher of spending that launched the worst
inflation in forty years of war on energy after we
achieved energy independence, that has now set in motion that
gasoline prices through the WORF going into a Thanksgiving weekend.
And of course what I've been down to the southern
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border in Arizona many times in the last two years,
five million people have come into this country illegally in
the last two years after we had reduced illegal immigration
by ninety percent. So, you know, whatever President Biden decides
to do, and whatever we decide to do, I'm going
to be working my heart out to make sure that
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we do not get four more years of the disastrous
record of the Biden Harris administration. We've got a good
start in the House of Representatives with a new Republican majority,
but the next step is to win the Senate. When
the White House, win state houses around the country, and
I believe we will. I think we're at the beginning
of a great American comeback. The book is so help
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the Clay Travis said Buck Sexton Show. So will he
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tweet or won't he tweets? Donald Trump could end up
back on Twitter anytime he chooses. He's officially allowed back on.
And you know, one of the things we discussed yesterday,
all the investigations, and I really mean this, it is
hard even as somebody who eats, sleeps, breathes, and is
obsessed with the news and what is happening in a
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general in a day to day since that's how I am,
It's how Clay is, how our staff, our show team
is and with all that going on, it is difficult
to keep track of all the different Trump investigations that
they have going on at any point in time, and
it's they're making the justice system in general seem farcical,
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whether it's at the state level in New York or
the federal level of the DOJ. But you know, Elon
Musk realizes you can't have a free speech platform if
you don't allow a former president and possible future president
on your platform. The fact that we even got to
that place is completely insane. I mean, it really is
dystopian Orwellian madness. And yet there are some who are
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out there telling us, you know what, you really got
to be worried about Russian manipulation of Twitter. This guy,
doctor Galloway is at a professor at NYU. I've heard
him say some things about about male female relationships and
dating in the modern era that are actually astute. So
I will say, I've heard I go, oh, yeah, that's
actually true. But he's a lib and so he has
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to say some crazy things. Here he is saying that
the Twitter poll Clay to get that Elon put up.
He put it up and I had what was it
like twelve or fourteen million votes or something like that
poll that went up that got Trump reinstated was probably
manipulated by you guessed it, Russian intelligence play four. I
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think these polls are mostly a gimmick, and I would
argue that people haven't spoken, the GRU has spoken. These
Twitter intelligence. You mean, Twitter has become a playground for
bad actors and fake bots. This poll is meaningless, This
decision is meaningless. I mean, I would just want to
know why why did he go GRU instead of FSB.
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I'm just curious, or SVR, which would actually be the
Foreign intelligence arm. If he's going to start throwing around acronyms,
maybe he should know what he's talking about. Well, not
only that, but the election is open to anybody, right,
you can be you can live anywhere in the world
and decide that you want to vote in Elon Musk's poll.
And I would just point out again it was a
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fifty two to forty eight vote, and the forty eight
that don't believe Donald Trump should be reinstated are effectively
saying they don't believe that a presidential candidate and former
president should be able to speak on the platform. And again, Buck,
you and I have talked about this. I'm not sure
that being on Twitter benefits Trump at all, but as
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a as a point of democracy and being able to
understand what are elected leaders or would be elected leaders believe,
shouldn't you want them to speak as much as possible
so that you know as much as you can to
help you make a decision about who the leader of
the free world should be. That's whether you're a democratic Republican.
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I think Elon Musk is nailing this, and he's also
showing how extreme dream in anti First Amendment, in anti
marketplace of ideas, the democrat perspective has become. And this
all ties back to me buck this idea that we
have to fight with every fiber of our being that
words are violence, that that that's something that is now
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deeply ingrained in our culture in our country, that if
you say something that offends or upsets someone, that is
the equivalent of a violent act, And I understand that
that also justifies violence in response in their mind. Yes,
this is the part of it that's often left out.
This is why when there are conservative speakers at colleges,
the Antifa and you know, shrieking banshee lunatics that surround
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these speeches, they think that throwing things and threatening violence
against these speakers, is okay because they're stopping violence by
using violence against the speech that they say is violence.
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the front lines of Welcome Back in Play Travis buck
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Sexton Show. So I want to open up phone lines
here yesterday, and I would encourage you to go listen
to this because I thought it was a really interesting conversation.
We had Nancy Grace on to talk about a story
that's leading the news everywhere right now and both Bucket
myself and probably you and some of your family as
you get close to Thanksgiving. It's a conversation that will
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likely be emerging and it has to do with the
quadruple murder that is as of now unsolved from near
the University of Idaho, right off the campus there in Moscow, Idaho.
And we got a ton of feedback after that conversation
that we had with Nancy Grace yesterday. So I want
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to open up phone lines just these specific callers. If
you are listening to us in Spokane, Washington, the area
kq nt AM huge audience that we have there. We
believe it extends down into the University of Idaho area,
right there on the border between Idaho and Washington. I'd
like to hear, and Buck would like to hear from
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people in Moscow, Idaho, about how all of this is
going down, what the community is responding. There hadn't been
a murder there in seven years. Buck, and there were
six people in this house. Four of them were stabbed
to death on the second and the third floor. They
still have been unable to find alleged perpetrator, at least publicly.
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Not a lot of evidence in this case. There were
two people on the first floor. I don't know if
they were in locked bedrooms. I haven't seen the specifics
about why they were not attacked. But on the second
and the third floor, four people stabbed to death while
they were sleeping. They were not found. I don't believe
Buck until the next day around noon. These are college kids.
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They believe the stabbing happened in the three to four
am times area. These kids have been out until around
two in the morning. It's a Saturday on a college campus.
Not uncommon at all. And I can't stop reading about
this case and or consuming stories about this case. And
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I know many of you are the same as us,
so eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
We didn't give people an opportunity yesterday to react, but
we would like people in the Moscow, Idaho region in
that area to let us know what's going on and
what it feels like to be in this community where
there hadn't been a murder in seven years and suddenly
there's an unsolved quadruple murder of college kids. And you know,
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yesterday when we had Nancy Grays on to talk about this,
she said that she would not connect the data point,
if you will, the report about a dog that had
been skinned and gutted that was found a few weeks
before this, but in the same neighborhood. This is not
a big place in Moscow, Idaho. We said yesterday, twenty
five thousand people. There's a small town. It's pushed right
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up against the border of Washington State, and you know,
so it's western Idaho. And today the police are saying
that they're unrelated. But when I read the explanation for
why it's unrelated, they just said it's wildlife activity or something.
It seemed bizarre to me. And you have to remember
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and this is this is just the way it is, unfortunately,
and instances like this, where there's a very very serious,
hainous crime that happens in a community that just has
limited law enforce and resources. The cops that are dealing
with this, especially the first ones on the scene, they're
to say they're not used to this. As a dramatic understatement,
I mean, very few cops have seen these kinds of
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crime scenes before. But there's already a lot of a
lot of reporting. Is it fair or not? I don't know.
Right we're not there, We're not able to cover this
on the ground. The people are saying that, you know,
tire tracks were not preserved immediately. I mean, some rudimentary
investigative mistakes seem to have been made here, which may
slow the whole process down of even getting some sense.
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I mean, they have no idea of motive, they have
no suspects that we've even gotten an inclination about yet,
and I think people are realizing that this could be
this could be a long haul to try to get
some measure of justice for these families by finding whoever
did this. I mean, this is among the more heinous
crimes anybody can think of in recent memory. So I
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don't understand how why the dog based on the reporting,
why that would be unrelated, But apparently police are saying
it is unrelated. There's just some things that don't add up.
Clay went into there were other people in the house.
How is that this person was able to the killer
was able to do this without waking anybody? There was
a dog in the house that didn't I mean, maybe
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they're used to maybe the dog bark a little bit,
it didn't wake anybody up because they're used to it.
But the dog has been taken away from the house.
This is reporting from today. How could somebody manage to
get in? Think of the risk of discovery that this
murderer would be taking by going into this house with
a knife and one by one killing these individuals in
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their sleep. It would be so easy for someone, including
people in the house who weren't even attacked, to cry out,
just you know, to scream, to say what's going on.
It just doesn't I've I've looked. I don't know if
anyone's ever seen anything like this before. I've never seen
anything like this, And I asked Nancy yesterday during that interview,
I don't think you can underrate the aspect of the
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murders being occurring with a knife. That's so violent, it's
so visceral. You are right up on top of the person,
and it feels quite a lot different than say, shooting
someone with a gun from a distance. Yeah, I remember
I listened to a very popular iHeartMedia podcast on the
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piked In massacre in Ohio, which I think was the
second biggest mass murder in the country in that year
after the Pulse nightclub shooting. So it was a major
and it was a dispute between two families that escalated
to where I think it was five of the family
members were killed in their sleep. They were killed with
a firearm, though, so somebody went in and killed And
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clearly there was a there was a baby at one
of the crime scenes that was spared. They didn't they
didn't go after the baby. They were going after the adults.
And the family was a mass murder. Five people killed,
but they used a gun and in this instance they
were using this individual was using a knife. And it
cannot feel right now. Well, I mean to that community,
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for example, they have no idea, it's not like they
have a sense of who this might be and the
person's on the run. They seemed to know nothing, which
given the national level attack, mean meaning the police seemed
to know nothing about who did this. Now they could
behold no law enforcement officers listening. Look, that could be
holding back key details. That is possible, clearly, And like
I said, we're not doing the investigation, but it doesn't
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you know how they pull all this together. They're going
to have a lot of DNA we discussed this yesterday,
a lot of evidence at the scene, but you need
the other piece of that, meaning you need to have
a match with somebody. So if they're not in any databases,
really tough to know who you're looking for. And also again,
if you're living in that community eight hundred two A
two two eight two, it's unlikely that someone just suddenly
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snaps and stabs for people to death. So is this
a vagrant? Was this a crime where someone is moving through?
Are there any other crimes that are somewhat similar that
could be connected to this one in the region, in
the area. To me, this is this is one of
those stories. I'm not surprised at all that it is
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receiving the amount of attention it does, and is that
it's opening many different newscasts right now because this is
the mystery, the likes of which we frankly just do
not see very often in this country. So again, we'll
take some of your calls in the next segment. I'd
like for people in that region to give us a
sense for the community and the community's response so far.
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Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Maybe
also if you're an investigator, a criminal profiler, based on
we've got a huge, huge law enforce and community that
listens if you have any and just any insight you
can offer to us. You know, the only investigations I
ever did were counter terrorism, which is obviously very different
from this. We'd love to hear from you guys as well,
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in the event that you could help to analyze this
based on what you do for your profession. One eight
hundred two eight two two eight a two. We will
take your calls. We're also going to be speaking with
doctor Latipo from Florida, the surgeon General, who has helped
to drive what is the best response I think on
a state basis in the state of Florida to COVID.
What does he think of the comments made by doctor
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Fauci and doctor Jaw today in the White House Press briefing.
We will talk with him in the third hour of
the program as we continue to move towards Thanksgiving. We're
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the parts, but one unified voice when it comes to
the truth. The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome
back to Clay and Buck. We said we'd take some calls.
We're looking into this Grizzly quadruple murder in Idaho. We've
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also been told by people from the region that we
are supposed to pronounce this Moscow. So we have learned
not like the way Americans pronounced Moscow, the city Russia,
so Moscow, Idaho, and we have calls from the region.
This is one of the One of the advantages we
have of having an audience in all fifty states and
so many different stations in those states is that we
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can say pretty much any corner of the country, Hey,
tell us what's going on on the ground there. We
have Marie in Moscow, Idaho, who is a retired law
enforcement officer. Marie, Thanks for calling in, Hi, guys, So
what do you make of what we've learned so far
and how this investigation is going? Well, something surprised me
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in you know, I'm not privy to any information that
you guys don't have. So, you know, the Moscow Police
Department is really good about keeping a hold of information
that they shouldn't be disseminating. So I want to make
that clear. But in my experience, and I worked for
twenty five years for the Moscow Police Department, they have
never done what they've done with this investigation, which is
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pulled all the patrol officers in to work this case,
and ESP is taking over patrol functions, So every police
officer in the suristiction is working on this case. And
so this is truly like all this is all hands
on deck for Moscow PD. Y. Yeah, And if you
know you've lived there, you said twenty five years, we
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said there hadn't been a murder in seven years when
you heard this happen. How stunned were you that it
had happened here? Based on your experience as a police officer,
I wasn't stunned. Um, I mean, I'm also is a
small talent, but it's a town like any other, and
we've had our homicides in this area. I was a
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little surprised that they didn't catch the perpetrator right away,
which so I don't think that's something where um, you know,
one of their friends went dessert, because that would those
kind of things are a lot of eagers called. Yeah.
I mean, that was the next thing I was going
to ask you, Marie. Is your sense here? I mean, again,
just going on, I know you don't have access. You
were in the PD there, you're in the police department there,
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You're not anymore. And that's fine because that means that
you can actually talk to us without you know, divulging
anything you're not supposed to do. And I get that
as a former CIA officer, but just your your sense, right,
the tingling on the back of your neck. Do you
think that this killer knew these individuals or is this
just random serial killer stuff? No? I think he knew them.
And the reason for that is because the residence is
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in a place that's not very accessible. You have to
go there specifically, so it's not on a through street.
It's in a little cult of side, not a place
where some random guys just going to walk into. So
that's and that's probably why, you know, the information has
come out that they believe it's targeted, and that feels
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right to me that it was somebody who knew them
or was acquainted with them, knew the area and how
to get out of the area. Is there a lot
of fear in the community, by the way right now,
just because obviously there's a tremendous amount of sadness and
grieving for the loved ones and for these people who
were lost, you know, and for their families. But just
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is the community very tense right now? I think there's
a little about I think there's um quite a bit
of people just taking stock of their own safety precautions.
I have a friend who's a locksmith in town, and
he's been getting calls off his funds, beening off the
hook for people who want to update their locks and whatnotum,
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which is you know, in Moscow, people tend to pride
themselves on the fact that they never locked their doors,
and that is changing this week after this homicide, affecting
the people. I think in your experience, the stabbing, the
fact that this was not a gun murder. The fact
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that it was a knife. Is that one of the
reasons why you think it's more likely to not be
a random act of violence, and also is a part
of this. Would it surprise you if the person who
did this didn't have some form of violent behavior in
their background? Is that normal to have someone kind of,
for lack of a better term, snap or is there
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usually a lot of warning signs of some sort of
violent behavior like this before it happens. Maybe it's even
happened before somewhere else. You know, one thing that I
learned in twenty five years of long person is not
to make assumptions, because we've seen both here in this town,
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people snapping and hitting you a ball, people snapping and
attacking in different ways. So I know that the police
are looking at everything, and I just I understand what
you're saying and why you're saying it, But I don't
think you can draw that conclusion. Marie. We appreciate you
calling in and sharing decades of experience, not just in
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law enforcement, but in this town where this happened. We're
praying for you and the whole community. Thank you for
calling in. Doug in Idaho in uh, post Falls, Idaho,
Doug our team tells us, Oh, my gosh, you actually
knew one of the one of the students who was slain. Yes, sir,
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I did, a close personal family friend. Oh gosh, yeah,
Can I tell us about this, uh, this person, how
did you have a relationship with them? And what is
the response in the community to obviously this horrible tragedy
I'll speak to. The response first is sorrow and sadness,
but happy to see a response go national wide and
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everybody getting involved. Of course, Maddie's mom, Karen, is my
wife's best friend, very close. Every year they go out
on the local Christmas cruise on late quarter laden for
the Santa Claus cruise, Maddie and my daughters and my
wife and Maddie's mother Karen. Of course. So this is
awful um to happen anywhere, but in Idaho, in a
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small community like this, it really does. I would imagine
touch almost every family because it is a small town
and it is a small state, and the connections I
would imagine as you're just referencing, are very, very substantial,
and so so many people are struck by this. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean, you know, when you get into these smaller communities.
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Everybody knows everybody pretty much in one way, shape or form,
and yeah, I just you know, Mattie yourself had touched
a lot of life. She was very active in the community,
very active online, and just a sweetheart. Well, we're praying
for her family and for the whole community there. Dog,
thank you for calling in Clay. We will continue to
follow this investigation. I mean, let's let's just all hope
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that there's a break in this case and that they
can find this this mass murderer that is that is
on the loose in Idaho. Right now, we're gonna be
joined here in a few minutes. We're gonna be switching
gears to talk more about out policy and COVID and
doctor Latipo, the Surgeon General, the brilliant surgeon General and
(37:08):
one with a backbone by the way, because she stood
up against the madness of Fauciism. He'll be joining us
to talk about well, what we're going into this winter
time and also Fauci's retirement a much more so stick
around Sleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines
of truth
Welcome back in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton
Show two days until Thanksgiving. If you find yourself traveling
across the country around the world, hope you're safe and
we appreciate you listening. We are thankful for all of you.
We're joined now by former Vice President Mike Pence, who's
got a new book out that is being well received.
And as we start with you, mister Vice President, I
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appreciate you giving us the time we've been talking. Faucci,
just thanks for having me on. Yeah, no doubt. The
book is so help me God. Released earlier this month.
Faucci just had his final press conference as he is
in the process of retiring. I'm sure you knew that
that was going on. We were just talking about it.
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Everything in twenty in hindsight is often twenty twenty in retrospect.
What could you and the Trump White House have done
better to not allow doctor Fauci to what I think
is quite frankly, drive us right off the cliff of sanity.
In terms of how we should respond to COVID, he
(01:03):
said that people should still feel very proud if they're
wearing masks. He said that as you get ready together
with Thanksgiving family that continuing to get COVID tests could
make sense. Those are just some of the things he said,
not years ago, but just a few minutes ago at
the White House. Do you any regrets? Do you have
anything that you would change about doctor Fauci in particular
and COVID. Well, first, just let me say what what
(01:26):
a what a privilege it is to be on with
with both of you, A great fan of the show,
Thank you, and uh and and was hountered to have
the opportunity to write my autobiography, So help me God.
That came out about a week ago. It's a story
of growing up here Indiana. It's a story of of
of you know, being raised by a combat veteran and
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a first generation Irish American, starting out as a Democrat,
joining the Republican Revolution, and then through decisions that I made,
beginning with the decision to put my faith in Jesus Christ,
the decision of marycare and Pence, we were able to
serve and advance the Conservative agenda and the Congress and
the governorship here in Indiana, and then as Vice President.
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I'm incredibly proud of the record of our administration and
I'm proud of what the American people accomplished during COVID. Guys,
there's a couple of chapters in my book, in one
of which is entitled Only in America, where I really
pay tribute to the extraordinary compassion of our healthcare workers,
the extraordinary generosity and innovation of American businesses. I mean,
(02:32):
from the time I was I was tapped to lead
the White House Coronavirus Task Force, Guys, I was really
inspired by what the American people were doing. But in
those early days, you know, when I became the leader
of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, it was a
fairly small group. The President organized it a week a
month earlier, and it included doctor Tony Fauci and some
(02:55):
other medical experts that would grow. But one of the
first decisions that I made was to add the Secretary
of the Treasury, the Secretary of Agriculture, Larry Cudlow, on
our economic team, because I knew that the advice that
we were going to give the President could not just be,
you know, the advice of the clinical doctors. It had
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to be balanced and take in the whole interest of
the American people. And as I as I write, and
so help me God, Um. You know, in those early days,
I know that doctor Fauci, when when we didn't know
what was coming, when we didn't understand the disease, and
Americans were anxious, we were reinventing, testing, we were manufacturing
(03:38):
billions of supplies and and you know, over one hundred
thousand ventilators in a hundred days. I think in those
early days, doctor Fauci was a comfort to millions of
Americans and uh and and he always stayed in his lane.
That's how I put it in my book. I mean,
he was invariably the first person to say, look, I'll
(03:59):
give you the scientist's perspective, but I understand the President's
got to consider a lot more. And that was one
of the reasons why, you know, one month into our
efforts to essentially buy time and slow the spread, we
worked to open up America again and stayed Like Mike,
when did you realize that that Fauci was actually a
(04:21):
partisan and the absolute worst than hoping to deep six
the presidency that you were a part of. Well, early on,
I must tell you I didn't perceive it that way.
In fact, I thought President Trump and Fauci as a
couple of old New Yorkers, you know, had had a
good working relationship, but things began to shift, you know,
(04:42):
toward the end. And I must tell you it grieves
my heart that the Biden administration lost more Americans in
their first year with COVID with all of the tools
that we left behind, including vaccines, more Americans than we
lost in our first year, and we, for the most
part had none of those tools. But I do think
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it is part and parcel of the Biden administration essentially
putting doctor Fauci in charge of the national response. You know,
there's the old saying that you know, when when you're
holding a hammer, everything's a nail. And I wasn't I
wasn't surprised that the Biden administration abandoned our commitment to
you know, therapeutics, abandoned our commitment to opening up states
(05:27):
around the country, and and largely turned all of its
focus on vaccines and ultimately and wrongly mandated vaccines for
Americans that was partially turned aside by the conservative majority
on the Supreme Court. So, you know, as I said,
I think, uh, you know, it was it saddens me
(05:49):
that the Biden administration, in so many ways squandered the
progress that we made and uh and putting doctor Fauci
in the lead of the Biden administration's response, I think
explains their focus on concentrating everything in Washington, concentrating everything
on vaccines, ultimately mandating vaccines instead of taking the whole
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of America federalist approach that we took in our administration.
We're speaking to former Vice President Mike Pence. He's got
a new book out, so help me God. Vice President
Pence tell us this. You know, the midterm election, there
were some bright spots, there were the votes in the aggregate,
but there wasn't the red wave that we needed, and
it seemed that there were a number of points of failure.
(06:33):
Might be too strong a word for some people, but
I think for others it's not strong enough. Clearly there
were some problems and some places we came up short.
How do we fix that? Well, guys, look there, thanks
for saying you're the first. You're the first show not
surprisingly that said that there was a red wave some places.
I mean you'll look you look at at the governors
(06:57):
or re elections in places like Texas and Florida, in
Georgia where they had probably the most formidable Democrat candidate
in the country, and Stacy Abrams raised one hundred million
dollars in Governor Brian Kemp, you know, won decisively in
the fall, and my friend Leezeldon came up short in
New York. But but he actually brought with him four
(07:20):
new Republicans elected to Congress from the state of New York.
That could be our new margin of a Republican majority.
So I really do believe there were there were pockets,
there were places, and the common denominator to me, guys,
is that, you know, candidates that were focused on the future,
that were focused on the challenges facing the American people today,
(07:43):
which are you know, border security and crime and record
inflation and high gasoline prices. Candidates that were focused on
the future did quite well, but candidly, those campaigns that
were focused on the past, including relitigating the past, did
not fare as well. We're talking to former Vice President
Mike Penn's his book out last week, so help me God.
(08:06):
Donald Trump announced on Tuesday of last week, the same
day your book came out, in the evening, he announced
that he was going to be running for president in
twenty twenty four. I know that there were several people
speaking out in Las Vegas who might be interested in
potentially running in twenty twenty four as well. You are
among those. When would you think is the right time
(08:27):
for you to officially decide if you are or are
not going to run in twenty twenty four. What kind
of timeline do you have in terms of making that decision. Well, first,
I'm always humbled to be asked, and early in my career,
as I write in the book So Help Me God,
(08:47):
back in twenty ten, I had unfernational office. I ultimately
prayed through it with my wife, spoke to friends, and
we felt called to come home here at Indiana and
serve as governor of this great state. And that decision was,
you know, one of the great honors of my life
and led to opportunities to service as your vice president
(09:07):
as well. So you know, what I can tell you
is that, you know, with two inactive duty military and
our immediate family, we actually haven't been together for the
last three years. But this Christmas, everybody's going to be
home in Indiana, and Karen and I are going to
take time as we always have, to sit down with
our kids, their spouses and talk to friends and continue
(09:30):
to listen to the American people. And I always tell
people there's two kinds of people in politics. There's people
that are driven and people that are called. And if
you reach so help me God, you'll you'll hear that
I've been both. I've let my ambition get ahead of
my values in the past and the way that as
a Christian I feel called represent myself in the public square.
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But for the last twenty years, we've we've tried to
follow a calleague, guys, and so we're going to pray
through it and give it careful consideration, and some time
after the first of the year, we'll just discern what
our next calling might be. But I promised to keep
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton posted thank you. I appreciate that,
do you And as part of that, do you think
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Joe Biden will run? Do you think he should run
for reelection? And does his choice in any way impact
your own choice? Well, the thing I'll tell you emphatically
is Joe Biden and Kamala Harris should not be reelected
as president and vice president. I no doubt, guys, I
knew they'd be bad. I didn't know they'd be this bad,
(10:36):
this fast. But then again, you know, I mean, literally
from day one, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have been
dismantling the very policies that created the prosperity, the border security,
of the strength of our economy that we had in
those first three years of the Trump pens administration. I mean,
(10:57):
they literally a gusher of spending that launched the worst
inflation in forty years of war on energy after we
achieved energy independence, that has now set in motion that
gasoline prices through the WORF going into a Thanksgiving weekend.
And of course what I've been down to the southern
(11:18):
border in Arizona many times in the last two years,
five million people have come into this country illegally in
the last two years after we had reduced illegal immigration
by ninety percent. So, you know, whatever President Biden decides
to do, and whatever we decide to do, I'm going
to be working my heart out to make sure that
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we do not get four more years of the disastrous
record of the Biden Harris administration. We've got a good
start in the House of Representatives with a new Republican majority,
but the next step is to win the Senate. When
the White House, win state houses around the country, and
I believe we will. I think we're at the beginning
of a great American comeback. The book is so help
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the Clay Travis said Buck Sexton Show. So will he
(13:37):
tweet or won't he tweets? Donald Trump could end up
back on Twitter anytime he chooses. He's officially allowed back on.
And you know, one of the things we discussed yesterday,
all the investigations, and I really mean this, it is
hard even as somebody who eats, sleeps, breathes, and is
obsessed with the news and what is happening in a
(14:00):
general in a day to day since that's how I am,
It's how Clay is, how our staff, our show team
is and with all that going on, it is difficult
to keep track of all the different Trump investigations that
they have going on at any point in time, and
it's they're making the justice system in general seem farcical,
(14:21):
whether it's at the state level in New York or
the federal level of the DOJ. But you know, Elon
Musk realizes you can't have a free speech platform if
you don't allow a former president and possible future president
on your platform. The fact that we even got to
that place is completely insane. I mean, it really is
dystopian Orwellian madness. And yet there are some who are
(14:46):
out there telling us, you know what, you really got
to be worried about Russian manipulation of Twitter. This guy,
doctor Galloway is at a professor at NYU. I've heard
him say some things about about male female relationships and
dating in the modern era that are actually astute. So
I will say, I've heard I go, oh, yeah, that's
actually true. But he's a lib and so he has
(15:08):
to say some crazy things. Here he is saying that
the Twitter poll Clay to get that Elon put up.
He put it up and I had what was it
like twelve or fourteen million votes or something like that
poll that went up that got Trump reinstated was probably
manipulated by you guessed it, Russian intelligence play four. I
(15:28):
think these polls are mostly a gimmick, and I would
argue that people haven't spoken, the GRU has spoken. These
Twitter intelligence. You mean, Twitter has become a playground for
bad actors and fake bots. This poll is meaningless, This
decision is meaningless. I mean, I would just want to
know why why did he go GRU instead of FSB.
(15:49):
I'm just curious, or SVR, which would actually be the
Foreign intelligence arm. If he's going to start throwing around acronyms,
maybe he should know what he's talking about. Well, not
only that, but the election is open to anybody, right,
you can be you can live anywhere in the world
and decide that you want to vote in Elon Musk's poll.
And I would just point out again it was a
(16:11):
fifty two to forty eight vote, and the forty eight
that don't believe Donald Trump should be reinstated are effectively
saying they don't believe that a presidential candidate and former
president should be able to speak on the platform. And again, Buck,
you and I have talked about this. I'm not sure
that being on Twitter benefits Trump at all, but as
(16:32):
a as a point of democracy and being able to
understand what are elected leaders or would be elected leaders believe,
shouldn't you want them to speak as much as possible
so that you know as much as you can to
help you make a decision about who the leader of
the free world should be. That's whether you're a democratic Republican.
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I think Elon Musk is nailing this, and he's also
showing how extreme dream in anti First Amendment, in anti
marketplace of ideas, the democrat perspective has become. And this
all ties back to me buck this idea that we
have to fight with every fiber of our being that
words are violence, that that that's something that is now
(17:16):
deeply ingrained in our culture in our country, that if
you say something that offends or upsets someone, that is
the equivalent of a violent act, And I understand that
that also justifies violence in response in their mind. Yes,
this is the part of it that's often left out.
This is why when there are conservative speakers at colleges,
the Antifa and you know, shrieking banshee lunatics that surround
(17:41):
these speeches, they think that throwing things and threatening violence
against these speakers, is okay because they're stopping violence by
using violence against the speech that they say is violence.
It's crazy, it is it's it's absolutely balderdash, and unfortunately
it's and it's going to be really hard to beat back.
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the front lines of Welcome Back in Play Travis buck
(19:14):
Sexton Show. So I want to open up phone lines
here yesterday, and I would encourage you to go listen
to this because I thought it was a really interesting conversation.
We had Nancy Grace on to talk about a story
that's leading the news everywhere right now and both Bucket
myself and probably you and some of your family as
you get close to Thanksgiving. It's a conversation that will
(19:36):
likely be emerging and it has to do with the
quadruple murder that is as of now unsolved from near
the University of Idaho, right off the campus there in Moscow, Idaho.
And we got a ton of feedback after that conversation
that we had with Nancy Grace yesterday. So I want
(19:57):
to open up phone lines just these specific callers. If
you are listening to us in Spokane, Washington, the area
kq nt AM huge audience that we have there. We
believe it extends down into the University of Idaho area,
right there on the border between Idaho and Washington. I'd
like to hear, and Buck would like to hear from
(20:19):
people in Moscow, Idaho, about how all of this is
going down, what the community is responding. There hadn't been
a murder there in seven years. Buck, and there were
six people in this house. Four of them were stabbed
to death on the second and the third floor. They
still have been unable to find alleged perpetrator, at least publicly.
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Not a lot of evidence in this case. There were
two people on the first floor. I don't know if
they were in locked bedrooms. I haven't seen the specifics
about why they were not attacked. But on the second
and the third floor, four people stabbed to death while
they were sleeping. They were not found. I don't believe
Buck until the next day around noon. These are college kids.
(21:07):
They believe the stabbing happened in the three to four
am times area. These kids have been out until around
two in the morning. It's a Saturday on a college campus.
Not uncommon at all. And I can't stop reading about
this case and or consuming stories about this case. And
(21:29):
I know many of you are the same as us,
so eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
We didn't give people an opportunity yesterday to react, but
we would like people in the Moscow, Idaho region in
that area to let us know what's going on and
what it feels like to be in this community where
there hadn't been a murder in seven years and suddenly
there's an unsolved quadruple murder of college kids. And you know,
(21:51):
yesterday when we had Nancy Grays on to talk about this,
she said that she would not connect the data point,
if you will, the report about a dog that had
been skinned and gutted that was found a few weeks
before this, but in the same neighborhood. This is not
a big place in Moscow, Idaho. We said yesterday, twenty
five thousand people. There's a small town. It's pushed right
(22:12):
up against the border of Washington State, and you know,
so it's western Idaho. And today the police are saying
that they're unrelated. But when I read the explanation for
why it's unrelated, they just said it's wildlife activity or something.
It seemed bizarre to me. And you have to remember
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and this is this is just the way it is, unfortunately,
and instances like this, where there's a very very serious,
hainous crime that happens in a community that just has
limited law enforce and resources. The cops that are dealing
with this, especially the first ones on the scene, they're
to say they're not used to this. As a dramatic understatement,
I mean, very few cops have seen these kinds of
(22:53):
crime scenes before. But there's already a lot of a
lot of reporting. Is it fair or not? I don't know.
Right we're not there, We're not able to cover this
on the ground. The people are saying that, you know,
tire tracks were not preserved immediately. I mean, some rudimentary
investigative mistakes seem to have been made here, which may
slow the whole process down of even getting some sense.
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I mean, they have no idea of motive, they have
no suspects that we've even gotten an inclination about yet,
and I think people are realizing that this could be
this could be a long haul to try to get
some measure of justice for these families by finding whoever
did this. I mean, this is among the more heinous
crimes anybody can think of in recent memory. So I
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don't understand how why the dog based on the reporting,
why that would be unrelated, But apparently police are saying
it is unrelated. There's just some things that don't add up.
Clay went into there were other people in the house.
How is that this person was able to the killer
was able to do this without waking anybody? There was
a dog in the house that didn't I mean, maybe
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they're used to maybe the dog bark a little bit,
it didn't wake anybody up because they're used to it.
But the dog has been taken away from the house.
This is reporting from today. How could somebody manage to
get in? Think of the risk of discovery that this
murderer would be taking by going into this house with
a knife and one by one killing these individuals in
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their sleep. It would be so easy for someone, including
people in the house who weren't even attacked, to cry out,
just you know, to scream, to say what's going on.
It just doesn't I've I've looked. I don't know if
anyone's ever seen anything like this before. I've never seen
anything like this, And I asked Nancy yesterday during that interview,
I don't think you can underrate the aspect of the
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murders being occurring with a knife. That's so violent, it's
so visceral. You are right up on top of the person,
and it feels quite a lot different than say, shooting
someone with a gun from a distance. Yeah, I remember
I listened to a very popular iHeartMedia podcast on the
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piked In massacre in Ohio, which I think was the
second biggest mass murder in the country in that year
after the Pulse nightclub shooting. So it was a major
and it was a dispute between two families that escalated
to where I think it was five of the family
members were killed in their sleep. They were killed with
a firearm, though, so somebody went in and killed And
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clearly there was a there was a baby at one
of the crime scenes that was spared. They didn't they
didn't go after the baby. They were going after the adults.
And the family was a mass murder. Five people killed,
but they used a gun and in this instance they
were using this individual was using a knife. And it
cannot feel right now. Well, I mean to that community,
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for example, they have no idea, it's not like they
have a sense of who this might be and the
person's on the run. They seemed to know nothing, which
given the national level attack, mean meaning the police seemed
to know nothing about who did this. Now they could
behold no law enforcement officers listening. Look, that could be
holding back key details. That is possible, clearly, And like
I said, we're not doing the investigation, but it doesn't
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you know how they pull all this together. They're going
to have a lot of DNA we discussed this yesterday,
a lot of evidence at the scene, but you need
the other piece of that, meaning you need to have
a match with somebody. So if they're not in any databases,
really tough to know who you're looking for. And also again,
if you're living in that community eight hundred two A
two two eight two, it's unlikely that someone just suddenly
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snaps and stabs for people to death. So is this
a vagrant? Was this a crime where someone is moving through?
Are there any other crimes that are somewhat similar that
could be connected to this one in the region, in
the area. To me, this is this is one of
those stories. I'm not surprised at all that it is
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receiving the amount of attention it does, and is that
it's opening many different newscasts right now because this is
the mystery, the likes of which we frankly just do
not see very often in this country. So again, we'll
take some of your calls in the next segment. I'd
like for people in that region to give us a
sense for the community and the community's response so far.
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Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. Maybe
also if you're an investigator, a criminal profiler, based on
we've got a huge, huge law enforce and community that
listens if you have any and just any insight you
can offer to us. You know, the only investigations I
ever did were counter terrorism, which is obviously very different
from this. We'd love to hear from you guys as well,
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in the event that you could help to analyze this
based on what you do for your profession. One eight
hundred two eight two two eight a two. We will
take your calls. We're also going to be speaking with
doctor Latipo from Florida, the surgeon General, who has helped
to drive what is the best response I think on
a state basis in the state of Florida to COVID.
What does he think of the comments made by doctor
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the parts, but one unified voice when it comes to
the truth. The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome
back to Clay and Buck. We said we'd take some calls.
We're looking into this Grizzly quadruple murder in Idaho. We've
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also been told by people from the region that we
are supposed to pronounce this Moscow. So we have learned
not like the way Americans pronounced Moscow, the city Russia,
so Moscow, Idaho, and we have calls from the region.
This is one of the One of the advantages we
have of having an audience in all fifty states and
so many different stations in those states is that we
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can say pretty much any corner of the country, Hey,
tell us what's going on on the ground there. We
have Marie in Moscow, Idaho, who is a retired law
enforcement officer. Marie, Thanks for calling in, Hi, guys, So
what do you make of what we've learned so far
and how this investigation is going? Well, something surprised me
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in you know, I'm not privy to any information that
you guys don't have. So, you know, the Moscow Police
Department is really good about keeping a hold of information
that they shouldn't be disseminating. So I want to make
that clear. But in my experience, and I worked for
twenty five years for the Moscow Police Department, they have
never done what they've done with this investigation, which is
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pulled all the patrol officers in to work this case,
and ESP is taking over patrol functions, So every police
officer in the suristiction is working on this case. And
so this is truly like all this is all hands
on deck for Moscow PD. Y. Yeah, And if you
know you've lived there, you said twenty five years, we
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said there hadn't been a murder in seven years when
you heard this happen. How stunned were you that it
had happened here? Based on your experience as a police officer,
I wasn't stunned. Um, I mean, I'm also is a
small talent, but it's a town like any other, and
we've had our homicides in this area. I was a
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little surprised that they didn't catch the perpetrator right away,
which so I don't think that's something where um, you know,
one of their friends went dessert, because that would those
kind of things are a lot of eagers called. Yeah.
I mean, that was the next thing I was going
to ask you, Marie. Is your sense here? I mean, again,
just going on, I know you don't have access. You
were in the PD there, you're in the police department there,
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You're not anymore. And that's fine because that means that
you can actually talk to us without you know, divulging
anything you're not supposed to do. And I get that
as a former CIA officer, but just your your sense, right,
the tingling on the back of your neck. Do you
think that this killer knew these individuals or is this
just random serial killer stuff? No? I think he knew them.
And the reason for that is because the residence is
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in a place that's not very accessible. You have to
go there specifically, so it's not on a through street.
It's in a little cult of side, not a place
where some random guys just going to walk into. So
that's and that's probably why, you know, the information has
come out that they believe it's targeted, and that feels
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right to me that it was somebody who knew them
or was acquainted with them, knew the area and how
to get out of the area. Is there a lot
of fear in the community, by the way right now,
just because obviously there's a tremendous amount of sadness and
grieving for the loved ones and for these people who
were lost, you know, and for their families. But just
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is the community very tense right now? I think there's
a little about I think there's um quite a bit
of people just taking stock of their own safety precautions.
I have a friend who's a locksmith in town, and
he's been getting calls off his funds, beening off the
hook for people who want to update their locks and whatnotum,
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which is you know, in Moscow, people tend to pride
themselves on the fact that they never locked their doors,
and that is changing this week after this homicide, affecting
the people. I think in your experience, the stabbing, the
fact that this was not a gun murder. The fact
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that it was a knife. Is that one of the
reasons why you think it's more likely to not be
a random act of violence, and also is a part
of this. Would it surprise you if the person who
did this didn't have some form of violent behavior in
their background? Is that normal to have someone kind of,
for lack of a better term, snap or is there
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usually a lot of warning signs of some sort of
violent behavior like this before it happens. Maybe it's even
happened before somewhere else. You know, one thing that I
learned in twenty five years of long person is not
to make assumptions, because we've seen both here in this town,
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people snapping and hitting you a ball, people snapping and
attacking in different ways. So I know that the police
are looking at everything, and I just I understand what
you're saying and why you're saying it, But I don't
think you can draw that conclusion. Marie. We appreciate you
calling in and sharing decades of experience, not just in
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law enforcement, but in this town where this happened. We're
praying for you and the whole community. Thank you for
calling in. Doug in Idaho in uh, post Falls, Idaho,
Doug our team tells us, Oh, my gosh, you actually
knew one of the one of the students who was slain. Yes, sir,
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I did, a close personal family friend. Oh gosh, yeah,
Can I tell us about this, uh, this person, how
did you have a relationship with them? And what is
the response in the community to obviously this horrible tragedy
I'll speak to. The response first is sorrow and sadness,
but happy to see a response go national wide and
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everybody getting involved. Of course, Maddie's mom, Karen, is my
wife's best friend, very close. Every year they go out
on the local Christmas cruise on late quarter laden for
the Santa Claus cruise, Maddie and my daughters and my
wife and Maddie's mother Karen. Of course. So this is
awful um to happen anywhere, but in Idaho, in a
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small community like this, it really does. I would imagine
touch almost every family because it is a small town
and it is a small state, and the connections I
would imagine as you're just referencing, are very, very substantial,
and so so many people are struck by this. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean, you know, when you get into these smaller communities.
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Everybody knows everybody pretty much in one way, shape or form,
and yeah, I just you know, Mattie yourself had touched
a lot of life. She was very active in the community,
very active online, and just a sweetheart. Well, we're praying
for her family and for the whole community there. Dog,
thank you for calling in Clay. We will continue to
follow this investigation. I mean, let's let's just all hope
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that there's a break in this case and that they
can find this this mass murderer that is that is
on the loose in Idaho. Right now, we're gonna be
joined here in a few minutes. We're gonna be switching
gears to talk more about out policy and COVID and
doctor Latipo, the Surgeon General, the brilliant surgeon General and
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one with a backbone by the way, because she stood
up against the madness of Fauciism. He'll be joining us
to talk about well, what we're going into this winter
time and also Fauci's retirement a much more so stick
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