January 24, 2023 • 36 mins
Pence brand takes a hit with classified docs discovery. Two big impacts of the classified docs scandal. Horrific mass shootings by Asians don't interest media. Caller's theory on Biden WH motivation for turning over classified documents.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show our number two and I swear
Clay and I today we were talking about how we're
gonna We're gonna do a variety of stories today. We're
gonna do everything we can to not just focus in
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on this document situation. But the news is breaking right now.
All the House Democrats and uh and everybody else are
jumping on this one right away. Oh boy, and they've
got they found classified documents at Pence's house. And you know,
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at some point when you have many of the most
recent and most senior members of the government, to include
presidents and vice presidents in classified document trouble, it starts
to feel like maybe we need to revisit, certainly the
far more severe punishments that are given out to underlings
and the National Security Apparatus, people like I used to be.
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I used to be one of them, and and act
like every document that has classified stamped on it is
you got the nuclear codes and we're all going to
die if this gets into the wrong hands. I think
maybe this could be a moment where we have some perspective,
but apart from the legality of this, and we've got
Andy McCarthy joining us to talk about about that, I
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also think this is Clay. The biggest moment here is
the shifts that are occurring politically that will affect the
country and its future as a result of this, you know,
tempest in a classified teapot right, as a result of
all this stuff that's going on, you have I think
now Donald Trump is no longer in any realistic jeopardy
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from the whole moralago documents in the FBI rate. We
should remember it because it was abusive. We should remember
it because each showed the double standard that existed even
before this, and the heavy handedness and the weaponization of
the DOJ under a Democrat president like Biden against his
chief rival. I mean, they're really not even trying to
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hide this stuff. But I think it takes Trump out
of any possible jeopardy for that, and I agree with you,
by the way, I think this also moves everything toward
they can't prosecute Trump for anything anymore, which but I
want to hear your take on that. I think that
with Joe Biden, this weakens him politically doesn't take him
out of the game politically, but certainly has spurred I
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think after the mid terms it was one hundred percent
Biden running again, and now the powers that be behind
the scenes of the Democrat apparatus are going to be
having a conversation, is it Joe? And then this Pence.
The latest one is that Pence had classified documents at
his home in Indiana and this is confirmed now, you know,
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I think Mike Pence did. He basically had already said
he was going to run for president, right. I think
this makes it harder for him, a lot harder for
him because to your point in the last hour, he's
supposed to be the guy who I look. You can
say this is unfair to hold anyone the standard, but
he's supposed to be the guy who is you know,
the voice scout who never makes a mistake and gets
it done the right way. This is not a great
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it's not a great look. So I think he got
It's an a direct attack buck on his brand. There's
a great story I read a while back. Remember Brian
Williams gets caught for lying about being under fire and
he basically lost his entire career. Brian Williams said the
same things that Hillary Clinton said about being under fire
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when he was in Iraq, and it didn't even impact
Hillary Clinton. And the reason was, well, people expect Hillary
Clinton to lie and exaggerate, not tell the truth. They
don't expect that from Brian Williams. Now we can have
a huge conversation about why we have a higher standard
for true telling from a newscaster than we do from
somebody running for the president of the United States. But
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Mike Pence's brand is I'm above reproach, I am the
moral authority. The one thing UK he doesn't have a
lot of sizzle, but the one thing Mike Pence would
sell is you can trust me. I'm not gonna let
you down. It's why when Bill Clinton had trying to
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see what phrase I can use got involved in the
situation with Monica Lewinsky, most people were like, yeah, I
can see that, And frankly, it's why I think the
Trump allegations involving you know, porn stars and all these
different women. People were like, yeah, the guy's been married
three times, he's a celebrity, He's never seemed like he
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was a paragon of virtue. So Trump and Clinton I
don't think those scandals ever really attached themselves because they
didn't directly attack our perception. This, for Mike Pence is
a direct attack on what people think of him. And also, Buck,
there's audio of Mike Pence, just like there was audio
of Joe Biden saying in the wake of the Mari
Lago raid, I could never imagine how anyone could have
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classified documents. Let's play this interview from Mike Pennce. Much
like with Joe Biden, everybody was like, Oh, there's no
way this could ever happen. What is Donald Trump thinking?
And then they also have their own classified documents scandal. Listen,
you take any classified documents with you from the White House?
I did not. Do you see any reason for anyone
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to take classified documents with them leaving the White House? Well,
there'd be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if
they were in an unprotected area. Okay, so he directly
contradicted himself. Now I think this was accidental, probably just
packing up boxes. They'd gone back through them, they found them.
But it makes me think that everybody has classified documents, Buck,
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which is amazing because if you're in your first week
at the CIA or I'm sure same thing for military folks,
you know, and when you're getting your clearance. Not everybody
in the military has a clearance, but and there's very
different levels of clearances. Some of the intel agencies you
have to have above above a top secret level clearance
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for you to just be you know, be able to
be working there. But you're this is treated with with
tremendous severity for everybody. And yet now we're seeing that
all the people that are supposed to be at the
very top of the national security food chain are incapable
of keeping classified documents out of their homes. I mean,
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I also kind of wonder here, you know, it's not
like they would know if somebody. I'm surprised they wouldn't
just destroy these things, you know, honestly, which I know
people say, oh, that's illegal whatever. Yeah, yeah, but you know,
the documents that you find in your garage, you could
throw them in the fireplace. Nobody would ever know. So
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why is this? I think they just must have no
idea where these things could even be, which to me
goes to an even greater level of carelessness, if that
makes sense, Like, no, that's not going to ask you,
is it worst? And the people out there listening Trump
admit that he had classified documents. He said he had
declassified them, but he knew that he had them, and
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he knew where they were, and the dispute was over
whether he had the right to retain possession of them
to refresh. For everybody out there, is that worse or
is it worse to accidentally end up with classified documents
in your possession? I actually think the accidental you know,
the intent isn't there, but it speaks to not knowing
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that you have them, as opposed to a dispute over
whether or not you have the presidential authority to have
them or not. Does that make sense. I think it's
really kind of an intriguing question. Yes. Well, there's also
something that they referred to as a positive control active control. Yeah. So,
for example, if I'm going from a Langley, which you
know is the CIA headquarters, which I think they renamed
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like the George HW. Bush Center for Intelligence or something.
There's some new name for it, but you know, Langley
is what all the cool kids call it. If you're
leaving Langley, um, by the way, name for the estate
that used to be there. And there's actually some tie
in to the family of Robert E. Lee in terms
of ownership of that estate. I forget exactly what it is.
They're gonna have to cancel the CIA. Now, well, Langley,
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you know, the whole Langley thing. I don't know that name. Um.
But if you went from Langley to the White House
and you know you have these documents, Let's say you
know you they're supposed to be a way you cut,
you actually convey them, you actually move them, um between places,
and you were to go outside of that conveyance, and
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let's say you went into like a dunkin Donuts, you realize, oh,
I actually had a top secret document that I just
stuffed in my jacket pocket. Well, that's not the way
it's supposed to be handled, and that's a that's a
security issue. Obviously you're not supposed to have some But
you could say I had positive control, meaning there was
never a moment that I didn't know where it was
and that it wasn't in my possession. And what we're
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seeing with these guys is it's not because this comes
up with for example, Clay, I accidentally brought classified documents home.
If you bring them home and you realize, oh my god,
it's been in my briefcase this whole time. You bring
it back, that's positive control. That's a security violation. Yeah.
But if you bring it home and it ends up,
you know, in a box with some old newspaper clippings
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and next to some baseball cards in the garage, and
you've had people coming and going over the course of
six years, that's not positive control. That's a whole other
level of risk of exposure of the documents. So that's
why what you're seeing with these individuals didn't even know
we'll get classified hanging out in their homes. It's it's dude,
it's it's bad news. It's really not go to your point.
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The government has no idea that they have this. So
my thought also is how important are these documents in general? Right?
I mean if they I mean you handled classified documents,
what percentage of them would you say, if suddenly someone
had seen them, it would have been a you'd have
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been like an it would been an oh crap moment,
like to have that be visible, right, Like in other words,
all classified is not created equal. What are the odds
that if we saw the twelve documents that Mike Penns
has that we would even blink about. I mean, just
in my rough estimate, personal opinion back of the Napkin math,
I'd say thirty percent of what I saw that was
classified you could understand why you would really need to
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protect it at some level. And you know, maybe five
to ten percent you were like this, really, you know,
this is this big deal. This this being published or
certainly getting out to the enemy would be a big deal.
But if I'm a solid majority of it, you're like, well,
I mean, you know, because because people don't even understand
a lot of it is a lot of things can
be classified that are assessments, opinions of thoughts of and
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that can be classified based upon source derivation. Right, but
you know a lot of people think a lot of things.
So people, how many classified pieces of paper do you
think the average vice president would see in a day.
It's like territ like, I mean, I just have no
clue how voluminous the amount of paperwork that you would
see would be. That was clue. These individuals have staffs
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and and have either so when when classified documents going,
I mean I did two Oval Office deep dive briefings
for the intelligence community for President H. W. Bush, and
it was all very controlled and very you know those
documents that's for the PDB, the Presidential Daily Briefing. So
I was the lead briefer in a couple of Presidential
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Daily Briefings during the Iraq War, and those documents are
at that level of sensitivity. There's a greater sort of
knowledge and tracking of them where they are, of where
they are in thing else. But I mean, you can
go into there are a law enforcement off their law enforcement,
even local law enforcement like the NYPD. There'll be people
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who have classified some level of classified access, much lower
level than you would say the CIA or the Pentagon,
And so there's document hand link procedures in place for that, right,
So it really depends. But yeah, there's billions of sheets
of paper that the government has. There are millions of
people they estimate, I don't even know what the number
is with either have or have had a clearance, And
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there are billions of pieces of paper with classified on
it floating around there. So yeah, can we keep it all?
Can we keep track of it all? Well? I mean
there's can we keep track of it all? As a
general concept play, and then there's hey, when you're the
vice president, can you not bring this stuff home, like
it's a hardy boys novel that you're reading and you're
just going to kind of leave it dog geared next
to the pool. I think that's fair. I think you
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can have that level of expectation. I also just think
how funny it is that all these politicians now, and
I say all but at least two Biden and Pence
both in interviews, no way this could ever happen. That's
indescribably bad, basically, and then they both have their own
classified document scandal. Now it's just part A lot of
you out there like, but what about what about the
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political the political ramifications are But do you see it
any differently or on all three of those levels. There's
the Trump aspect, the Biden aspect, and the Pence aspect,
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the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. When you actually
start to analyze Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Donald Trump all
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with their own individual classified document scandals. Where I think
this goes from a political perspective, Buck is I think
two big things happen for Bien. I think one the
idea that you're going to knock out Trump via charges
not only for the confidential document but also for January sixth,
are effectively out the window. I was of the opinion
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that Trump was going to be charged prior to the
Biden classified documents. Buck, I mean, I think, I think
this changes what was going to happen. Yes, yeah, I
think the Biden classified documents changes that. I also think
it makes it more likely that Biden gets a challenger. Now,
maybe it's Eric Adams, maybe it's Joe Mansion. Who exactly
that challenger will end up being. I'm not sure there
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will be an upstart, And this would be I believe,
the first challenger for an incumbent president since nineteen ninety
two in terms of someone who would really try to
go knock the president out in the primary. So it
is a weakness of the president if he is not
able to keep his own party from running against him,
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given the fact that he has incumbency. So I would say,
to me, these are the two biggest impacts of the
classified document scandal at this point. I also just presume
that everybody's got classified documents. You know, you got Hillary,
you got Pens, you got Trump, you got Biden. I
would bet that there's Obama classified documents out there. I
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would bet if he still has all his papers, that
George W. Bush might have him. I mean, based on
the prevalence of this, I just find it hard to
believe there's not a general lack of a carefulness being paid.
And also it just to me, probably buck speaks to
the voluminous nature of the papers that they were moving.
When the White House, when you're the vice president or
the president, you're just throwing stuff in bags and boxes.
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I don't know that it's a really serious process when
you're leaving like that. It may have to change as
a result of all. Well, I think there's a recognition
that just having a bunch of people show up like
they're you know, moving the couch and the TV to
somewhere else is not sufficient for security purposes. I gotta
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say this, This is getting to the point though, where
there's such a it has crossed a line into absurdity,
and I think for a lot of people that then
just means they're gonna want to move past this. So
I don't know. I think that Trump benefits mightily from this.
From the circumstance, I think that Biden is, you know,
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it's just still no one really expects more from Biden.
I think that's a big part of this. No one
surprised that he's a buffoom when it comes to classified documents.
So I don't think it really changes all that much
for Biden, and I think it maybe makes things a
little bit harder for from Mike Pence right now. But
I also don't see this story. I don't see that.
I keep saying, Okay, I think we're there. There might
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be another batch or two found among these or some
other individuals of note, But either way, I think the
public will lose interest in this over time. Is my
sense could be wrong. Yeah, I think you're right. I
think it's a huge win for Trump, and I think
it's an issue for Biden, and I don't think it's
going away in terms of for Biden, whereas for Trump,
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the frontlines. Fascinating to see what stories the media focuses
on day in and day out, because it tells you
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so much about their worldview or their politics in a
whole range of ways, and certainly in the aftermath of
a horrific mass shooting, whether they decide that this story
deserves wall to wall coverage is a political call to
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action and is something that should be used to shame
their political opponents, irrespective of really what the facts are
of the situation. That is something that we see happening
time and time again. I bring it up because right now,
Clai and I talked to you yesterday about the shooting
that occurred over the weekend at a dance hall where
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you had ten people who were murdered by this guy
who was just a disgruntled, disgruntled, deeply unhappy person who
just turned to the worst kind of evil, killed ten
people and was going to kill more. He moved to
a second location. I actually shared this clip on Twitter.
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It's it's remarkable. Brandon Si was on scene there and
he was the individual, the hero who this guy is reloading. Now.
I know a lot of people think, oh I would
have done this too. A lot of people would freeze.
You've got somebody who has I think it's been repeatedly
described as a pistol, but it's or rather as an
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assault rifle in the media, but it's really a pistol
with a folding stock, I think. But either way it's
it's illegal under technically, a pistol of the folding stock
illegal under California law. This guy, Brandon Si, essentially rushed
the shooter, who you can, I think safely assume otherwise
would have been able to kill another ten, fifteen, twenty
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people who were helpless, defenseless at this So this guy
saved a lot of lives. But that shooting occurred over
the weekend, and as we know, the Democrats immediately jumped
into the oh, this is a hate crime. And I
don't just mean in general, Democrats, top legislators, senators, Democrats
associated closely with the Bide administration in the White House.
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There was another shooting over the last few days. Seven people.
Seven people were killed in this shooting. And this shooting
also involved an Asian American elderly a person, yeah, a
person of Asian descent, a Chinese agricultural laborer sixty seven
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years old, so he's almost a senior citizen, who was
in the San Francisco area half Moon Bay, went into
his work facility and just started murdering people. Shot seven
people in cold blood. Now that a seventy two hours
after the other individual who actually killed eleven people, excuse me,
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one of them additionally succumbed to injuries. I'll kill the
eleven people at a lunar New Year's celebration in Monterey Park,
which is near Los Angeles. Two major mass shootings by
two Asian assailants, one of whom already you believe committed
suicide in the car right during the standoffs, so he
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won't face any trial. But two shootings mass shootings Asian assailants,
and the media interest on this is minimal because it's
not an opportunity to try to find some tie into
Trump and MAGA and white supremacy and all this other stuff.
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And one of the one of the big lives Clay
the media pushes about shooting a mass shootings, in particular
mass shootings of three or more people, is that this
is the it's disgruntled white males who do this. This
is what you'll always hear. It's actually not true. It's
not true because if you look at the data, what
you see is that when it comes to mass shootings,
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the ethnicity of the shooter is essentially totally in line
with their percentage of the population. So mass shooters are
spread evenly among all they're all male, but among all
demographics white, Hispanic, Black, Asian. But yet the media likes
to push this storyline of it's you know, angry white
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males or you know, white supremacists who are the ones
who are doing all of this, which I think is
why they're not really talking about. Once again, they two
mass shootings, seventeen or eighteen people killed. You would think
like this would be wall to wall coverage. No, it
vanishes if it's not a white guy. And this is
the this is the truth. I mean, all of you
out there listening know that if there isn't an opportunity
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to tie this into white supremacy or or to far
right extremist culture, then the story just automost automatically vanishes.
And the one that is maybe the most emblematic of
this to me, buck is the shooting that happened in
Colorado at Boulder. Remember, they thought that that was a
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white guy, just based on pictures that came out of
a guy who looked like he was white in terms
of you could see his skin, and then it ended
up being that he was Middle Eastern, and the story
almost immediately vanished. So they initially said, oh, look, another
crazy white guy goes in and kills a bunch of
people in Boulder, Colorado, and you could actually track the
story and how much attention it was getting, and then
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as soon as it came out that he was of
Middle Eastern descent, the story vanished and a lot of
you probably haven't heard anything about that shooting in Colorado since. Yeah,
there is something deeply disturbing when you look at when
you really dive into it, when you pay attention to it.
The Democrat liberal mind has an obsession with the denigration
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of whiteness all the time, and particularly from white liberals.
They this is this is a a false virtue signaling
fixation that they have with how the evils of whiteness.
And you see this as it is evidenced by media
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coverage of these these mass shootings we're talking about. We
all know if, the IF, the IF, the mash. Instead
of saying there are evil people and deeply violently mentally
ill people who are spread through all populations, which is true,
and understanding that there are going to be people that
from from all different ethnic groups that are mass shooters
that's going to happen, which is what the data all shows.
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Instead of looking honestly at that issue because there's no
political advantage in it, they try to skew the issue
toward all mass shooters. You see this by the way,
I mean, they'll even be blue check commentators. There's a
mass shooter and the guy's white. They say, oh, it's
always a white mass shoot It's just not true. Yeah,
but this is this is one of the lies that
they believe and one of the lies that they repeat.
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And unfortunately, a lot of people you and I make
a living knowing what actually happens and what the data
actually is. A lot of people see, oh, okay, well
CNN says, you know, another another white, you know, male shooter,
and this is all the mass shooters or white males.
It's not It's not reality. And that's why I think,
you know, you have to remember the mindset during the
War on Terror era, we used to call the g
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WATT the Global War on Terror, and then they try
to get rid of that term. The Obama administration came
in and they wanted to call this is the fight
against al Qaeda, and you know later ISIS and all
this stuff. They wanted to call it something like Overseas
Continuency Operations against Violent Radical Extremism. I'm not kidding. It
was actually something that was so long. I remember sitting
in Langley when when the obamaministration came in and we're
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all laughing our asses off because it was We're like,
that's this is ridiculous. This is an encyclopedia. This isn't
a you know, an operation discussion. But I remember there
was there was a belief that to service the narrative
of oh, we're so scared about Islamophobia, they would always
downplay when there was a terrorist incident. You know, oh,
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we don't know, we don't know if this person is
a Muslim, we don't know what their belief system is,
and they would do this and we all kind of knew,
Like usually the guy screaming a lot of walk barns
on video and he's shooting something up, you kind of
know right away. I think there's a similar mentality among
a lot of the democratic line media now, which is,
let's not focus too much on the mass shot, on
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any mass shooting that doesn't evolve a white perpetrator, because
we have to tackle the problem of white male mass
shooters because they're the ones that do it all the time.
It's incongruent. It's what's the phrase, I'm dre cognitive dissonance. Yeah,
they can't handle it and just pay attention to this.
I mean, we had the Walmart shooter, was a black
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guy right in Virginia, went in shot up the place.
We had also in Virginia, in the same way that
we have the double Asian shooter. We had the former
football player at the University of Virginia who went and
shot several of his teammates. Two black mass shootings in
Virginia in like short concert. Now you've got two Asian
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mass shooting in short concert. The stories will vanish, but
you still hear a lot of talk about the Buffalo shooting. Right,
racist white guy goes into a black supermarket, kills people there,
and they choose which stories to emphasize. To your point,
first of all mass shootings, if we eliminated every mass shooting,
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and I think this is important, ninety eight percent of
murders would still be happening. So we have this idea
out there that mass shooting is a huge part of
the national murder rate. It's actually the case that if
we eliminated them, forty nine out of fifty murders still
be happening in this country. You know that's also true
A part of an issue It's also true about modern
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sporting rifles aka assault rifles. You bann assault rifles, ninety
eight percent of shooting still happen. Yeah, but they're you know,
they're obsessed with you know why because they view gun control. Yes,
ultimately they want to stop, they want to eliminate the
final stop gap against tyranny to the founding fathers and
shrine of the Constitution. But every call by a Democrat
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for gun control in some way is meant to be
a thumb in the eye of a white male Republican,
AAR fifteen owner. And that's why Libs in Brooklyn and
Santa Monica and Chicago and we're in DC, they get
so excited about it because it's meant to be c somehow.
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You a law abiding gun owner who lives in Texas
and has you know, seven a R fifteens and loves
to go to the range, you're the problem. It's a
neuroses that they have to do this. They want to
poke those people in the chest and blame them for
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(32:55):
criminal nature as it pertains to the political realm. So
we're going to dive in with him on what he
thinks of the Biden classified document scandal, what about today's
Mike Pence revelations, Where is all this is headed? We
will discuss quite a lot with him as we continue
to power through in the third hour of the program.
Let me take a couple of your calls eight hundred
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two two two eight two. We try to sometimes drop
in some callers during the course of the program. Let's
go first to Kenny in Indiana. Kenny, what you got
for us? Any guys? Thanks for taking a call calling
from the great who's your state of Indiana? Appreciate your
analysis on the classified documents? Of course. But I've felt
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all along like this is just their panicking because they
knew that Republicans were probably going to take the House,
which they did, and they knew there would probably be
hardcore investigations to include the Biden crimes family, and I
think they've been preparing for that all along. They want
any and all documents that are out there. Of Course,
they're going to do the stormtrooper approach at Trump's place,
(34:00):
and they don't need to do that with Terence, but
with Biden, he's such an idiot. So let me just
ask you this question. I've here, I heard that theory,
and I hear it quite a lot, and I'm sure
you do two buck to me, the number one way
to draw more scrutiny on yourself. It's just like waving
a white flag and being like, yeah, I'm an imbecile.
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I have improper documents. What Biden has done, if he
were trying to cover up his behavior, is actually the
exact opposite of a cover up. Yes, it keeps getting
worse for him, it's not over. So why that doesn't
I don't I don't get that. I don't understand why
I would understand it. If they went and looked up
all the documents buck and then they were just like
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they burned them and we never heard about it up.
This is the opposite of a cover up. It's like
calling a penalty on yourself in golf that somebody else
might not have seen. And so it's the opposite of
trying to rig job. Something some people did notice. I
said it yesterday. I think it. I think it hit
home for them. Don't assume there's a Biden, can ye,
when there's a Biden dumbass, you know, like there it
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is possible that the people in charge really are this
stupid and sloppy and not necessarily that there's some four
D chess going on here from whether it's Biden or
those who want Biden gone or whatever. I don't see
you know this, This all looks really bad for the
Biden White House right now. There's there's no way to
spin that. It's haphazard incompetence more than it's some sort
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of venal plot to try to cover things up. I mean,
if you were going to try to draw less attention
to yourself, I can't think of a way that would
draw more attigion to yourself. Then remember five separate acknowledgements
of classified documents being found. That's just waving your hands
and trying to draw the attention of authorities. It's like
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if you had a body in the back of your
car that you were trying to transport. Driving one hundred
and twenty miles an hour with your blinkers on while
going down the street would be one of the most
ways to avoid drawing attention to yourself. Well, we're gonna
be talking to our friend Annie McCarthy about this in
just a few moments here on the legal realities of this. Also,
(36:11):
in the next hour, former ci director, former Secretary of
State Mike Pompeo will be with us. Mister Pompeo is
going to talk to us about the Ukraine War. Here's
something you might want to know. We may be giving
Abrams tanks to Ukraine soon. I remember when just providing
(36:31):
them with fighter jets was something that was considered a
bit too far. Abram's battle tanks. We will discuss whether
this is a good idea. Are we getting deeper into
the Ukraine conflict than we bargained for play It's going
to be quite an hour, no kidding. Plus, we'll probably
just go ahead and ask Mike Pompeo, Do you have
classified documents too. We'll see what he says.
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show our number two and I swear
Clay and I today we were talking about how we're
gonna We're gonna do a variety of stories today. We're
gonna do everything we can to not just focus in
(00:22):
on this document situation. But the news is breaking right now.
All the House Democrats and uh and everybody else are
jumping on this one right away. Oh boy, and they've
got they found classified documents at Pence's house. And you know,
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at some point when you have many of the most
recent and most senior members of the government, to include
presidents and vice presidents in classified document trouble, it starts
to feel like maybe we need to revisit, certainly the
far more severe punishments that are given out to underlings
and the National Security Apparatus, people like I used to be.
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I used to be one of them, and and act
like every document that has classified stamped on it is
you got the nuclear codes and we're all going to
die if this gets into the wrong hands. I think
maybe this could be a moment where we have some perspective,
but apart from the legality of this, and we've got
Andy McCarthy joining us to talk about about that, I
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also think this is Clay. The biggest moment here is
the shifts that are occurring politically that will affect the
country and its future as a result of this, you know,
tempest in a classified teapot right, as a result of
all this stuff that's going on, you have I think
now Donald Trump is no longer in any realistic jeopardy
(01:53):
from the whole moralago documents in the FBI rate. We
should remember it because it was abusive. We should remember
it because each showed the double standard that existed even
before this, and the heavy handedness and the weaponization of
the DOJ under a Democrat president like Biden against his
chief rival. I mean, they're really not even trying to
(02:14):
hide this stuff. But I think it takes Trump out
of any possible jeopardy for that, and I agree with you,
by the way, I think this also moves everything toward
they can't prosecute Trump for anything anymore, which but I
want to hear your take on that. I think that
with Joe Biden, this weakens him politically doesn't take him
out of the game politically, but certainly has spurred I
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think after the mid terms it was one hundred percent
Biden running again, and now the powers that be behind
the scenes of the Democrat apparatus are going to be
having a conversation, is it Joe? And then this Pence.
The latest one is that Pence had classified documents at
his home in Indiana and this is confirmed now, you know,
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I think Mike Pence did. He basically had already said
he was going to run for president, right. I think
this makes it harder for him, a lot harder for
him because to your point in the last hour, he's
supposed to be the guy who I look. You can
say this is unfair to hold anyone the standard, but
he's supposed to be the guy who is you know,
the voice scout who never makes a mistake and gets
it done the right way. This is not a great
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it's not a great look. So I think he got
It's an a direct attack buck on his brand. There's
a great story I read a while back. Remember Brian
Williams gets caught for lying about being under fire and
he basically lost his entire career. Brian Williams said the
same things that Hillary Clinton said about being under fire
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when he was in Iraq, and it didn't even impact
Hillary Clinton. And the reason was, well, people expect Hillary
Clinton to lie and exaggerate, not tell the truth. They
don't expect that from Brian Williams. Now we can have
a huge conversation about why we have a higher standard
for true telling from a newscaster than we do from
somebody running for the president of the United States. But
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Mike Pence's brand is I'm above reproach, I am the
moral authority. The one thing UK he doesn't have a
lot of sizzle, but the one thing Mike Pence would
sell is you can trust me. I'm not gonna let
you down. It's why when Bill Clinton had trying to
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see what phrase I can use got involved in the
situation with Monica Lewinsky, most people were like, yeah, I
can see that, And frankly, it's why I think the
Trump allegations involving you know, porn stars and all these
different women. People were like, yeah, the guy's been married
three times, he's a celebrity, He's never seemed like he
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was a paragon of virtue. So Trump and Clinton I
don't think those scandals ever really attached themselves because they
didn't directly attack our perception. This, for Mike Pence is
a direct attack on what people think of him. And also, Buck,
there's audio of Mike Pence, just like there was audio
of Joe Biden saying in the wake of the Mari
Lago raid, I could never imagine how anyone could have
(05:12):
classified documents. Let's play this interview from Mike Pennce. Much
like with Joe Biden, everybody was like, Oh, there's no
way this could ever happen. What is Donald Trump thinking?
And then they also have their own classified documents scandal. Listen,
you take any classified documents with you from the White House?
I did not. Do you see any reason for anyone
(05:34):
to take classified documents with them leaving the White House? Well,
there'd be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if
they were in an unprotected area. Okay, so he directly
contradicted himself. Now I think this was accidental, probably just
packing up boxes. They'd gone back through them, they found them.
But it makes me think that everybody has classified documents, Buck,
(05:56):
which is amazing because if you're in your first week
at the CIA or I'm sure same thing for military folks,
you know, and when you're getting your clearance. Not everybody
in the military has a clearance, but and there's very
different levels of clearances. Some of the intel agencies you
have to have above above a top secret level clearance
(06:16):
for you to just be you know, be able to
be working there. But you're this is treated with with
tremendous severity for everybody. And yet now we're seeing that
all the people that are supposed to be at the
very top of the national security food chain are incapable
of keeping classified documents out of their homes. I mean,
(06:37):
I also kind of wonder here, you know, it's not
like they would know if somebody. I'm surprised they wouldn't
just destroy these things, you know, honestly, which I know
people say, oh, that's illegal whatever. Yeah, yeah, but you know,
the documents that you find in your garage, you could
throw them in the fireplace. Nobody would ever know. So
(06:58):
why is this? I think they just must have no
idea where these things could even be, which to me
goes to an even greater level of carelessness, if that
makes sense, Like, no, that's not going to ask you,
is it worst? And the people out there listening Trump
admit that he had classified documents. He said he had
declassified them, but he knew that he had them, and
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he knew where they were, and the dispute was over
whether he had the right to retain possession of them
to refresh. For everybody out there, is that worse or
is it worse to accidentally end up with classified documents
in your possession? I actually think the accidental you know,
the intent isn't there, but it speaks to not knowing
(07:41):
that you have them, as opposed to a dispute over
whether or not you have the presidential authority to have
them or not. Does that make sense. I think it's
really kind of an intriguing question. Yes. Well, there's also
something that they referred to as a positive control active control. Yeah. So,
for example, if I'm going from a Langley, which you
know is the CIA headquarters, which I think they renamed
(08:04):
like the George HW. Bush Center for Intelligence or something.
There's some new name for it, but you know, Langley
is what all the cool kids call it. If you're
leaving Langley, um, by the way, name for the estate
that used to be there. And there's actually some tie
in to the family of Robert E. Lee in terms
of ownership of that estate. I forget exactly what it is.
They're gonna have to cancel the CIA. Now, well, Langley,
(08:24):
you know, the whole Langley thing. I don't know that name. Um.
But if you went from Langley to the White House
and you know you have these documents, Let's say you
know you they're supposed to be a way you cut,
you actually convey them, you actually move them, um between places,
and you were to go outside of that conveyance, and
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let's say you went into like a dunkin Donuts, you realize, oh,
I actually had a top secret document that I just
stuffed in my jacket pocket. Well, that's not the way
it's supposed to be handled, and that's a that's a
security issue. Obviously you're not supposed to have some But
you could say I had positive control, meaning there was
never a moment that I didn't know where it was
and that it wasn't in my possession. And what we're
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seeing with these guys is it's not because this comes
up with for example, Clay, I accidentally brought classified documents home.
If you bring them home and you realize, oh my god,
it's been in my briefcase this whole time. You bring
it back, that's positive control. That's a security violation. Yeah.
But if you bring it home and it ends up,
you know, in a box with some old newspaper clippings
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and next to some baseball cards in the garage, and
you've had people coming and going over the course of
six years, that's not positive control. That's a whole other
level of risk of exposure of the documents. So that's
why what you're seeing with these individuals didn't even know
we'll get classified hanging out in their homes. It's it's dude,
it's it's bad news. It's really not go to your point.
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The government has no idea that they have this. So
my thought also is how important are these documents in general? Right?
I mean if they I mean you handled classified documents,
what percentage of them would you say, if suddenly someone
had seen them, it would have been a you'd have
(10:15):
been like an it would been an oh crap moment,
like to have that be visible, right, Like in other words,
all classified is not created equal. What are the odds
that if we saw the twelve documents that Mike Penns
has that we would even blink about. I mean, just
in my rough estimate, personal opinion back of the Napkin math,
I'd say thirty percent of what I saw that was
classified you could understand why you would really need to
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protect it at some level. And you know, maybe five
to ten percent you were like this, really, you know,
this is this big deal. This this being published or
certainly getting out to the enemy would be a big deal.
But if I'm a solid majority of it, you're like, well,
I mean, you know, because because people don't even understand
a lot of it is a lot of things can
be classified that are assessments, opinions of thoughts of and
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that can be classified based upon source derivation. Right, but
you know a lot of people think a lot of things.
So people, how many classified pieces of paper do you
think the average vice president would see in a day.
It's like territ like, I mean, I just have no
clue how voluminous the amount of paperwork that you would
see would be. That was clue. These individuals have staffs
(11:27):
and and have either so when when classified documents going,
I mean I did two Oval Office deep dive briefings
for the intelligence community for President H. W. Bush, and
it was all very controlled and very you know those
documents that's for the PDB, the Presidential Daily Briefing. So
I was the lead briefer in a couple of Presidential
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Daily Briefings during the Iraq War, and those documents are
at that level of sensitivity. There's a greater sort of
knowledge and tracking of them where they are, of where
they are in thing else. But I mean, you can
go into there are a law enforcement off their law enforcement,
even local law enforcement like the NYPD. There'll be people
(12:08):
who have classified some level of classified access, much lower
level than you would say the CIA or the Pentagon,
And so there's document hand link procedures in place for that, right,
So it really depends. But yeah, there's billions of sheets
of paper that the government has. There are millions of
people they estimate, I don't even know what the number
is with either have or have had a clearance, And
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there are billions of pieces of paper with classified on
it floating around there. So yeah, can we keep it all?
Can we keep track of it all? Well? I mean
there's can we keep track of it all? As a
general concept play, and then there's hey, when you're the
vice president, can you not bring this stuff home, like
it's a hardy boys novel that you're reading and you're
just going to kind of leave it dog geared next
to the pool. I think that's fair. I think you
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can have that level of expectation. I also just think
how funny it is that all these politicians now, and
I say all but at least two Biden and Pence
both in interviews, no way this could ever happen. That's
indescribably bad, basically, and then they both have their own
classified document scandal. Now it's just part A lot of
you out there like, but what about what about the
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political the political ramifications are But do you see it
any differently or on all three of those levels. There's
the Trump aspect, the Biden aspect, and the Pence aspect,
and how these all play together. We'll talk about it next,
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start to analyze Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Donald Trump all
(14:42):
with their own individual classified document scandals. Where I think
this goes from a political perspective, Buck is I think
two big things happen for Bien. I think one the
idea that you're going to knock out Trump via charges
not only for the confidential document but also for January sixth,
are effectively out the window. I was of the opinion
(15:05):
that Trump was going to be charged prior to the
Biden classified documents. Buck, I mean, I think, I think
this changes what was going to happen. Yes, yeah, I
think the Biden classified documents changes that. I also think
it makes it more likely that Biden gets a challenger. Now,
maybe it's Eric Adams, maybe it's Joe Mansion. Who exactly
that challenger will end up being. I'm not sure there
(15:28):
will be an upstart, And this would be I believe,
the first challenger for an incumbent president since nineteen ninety
two in terms of someone who would really try to
go knock the president out in the primary. So it
is a weakness of the president if he is not
able to keep his own party from running against him,
(15:48):
given the fact that he has incumbency. So I would say,
to me, these are the two biggest impacts of the
classified document scandal at this point. I also just presume
that everybody's got classified documents. You know, you got Hillary,
you got Pens, you got Trump, you got Biden. I
would bet that there's Obama classified documents out there. I
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would bet if he still has all his papers, that
George W. Bush might have him. I mean, based on
the prevalence of this, I just find it hard to
believe there's not a general lack of a carefulness being paid.
And also it just to me, probably buck speaks to
the voluminous nature of the papers that they were moving.
When the White House, when you're the vice president or
the president, you're just throwing stuff in bags and boxes.
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I don't know that it's a really serious process when
you're leaving like that. It may have to change as
a result of all. Well, I think there's a recognition
that just having a bunch of people show up like
they're you know, moving the couch and the TV to
somewhere else is not sufficient for security purposes. I gotta
(16:53):
say this, This is getting to the point though, where
there's such a it has crossed a line into absurdity,
and I think for a lot of people that then
just means they're gonna want to move past this. So
I don't know. I think that Trump benefits mightily from this.
From the circumstance, I think that Biden is, you know,
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it's just still no one really expects more from Biden.
I think that's a big part of this. No one
surprised that he's a buffoom when it comes to classified documents.
So I don't think it really changes all that much
for Biden, and I think it maybe makes things a
little bit harder for from Mike Pence right now. But
I also don't see this story. I don't see that.
I keep saying, Okay, I think we're there. There might
(17:38):
be another batch or two found among these or some
other individuals of note, But either way, I think the
public will lose interest in this over time. Is my
sense could be wrong. Yeah, I think you're right. I
think it's a huge win for Trump, and I think
it's an issue for Biden, and I don't think it's
going away in terms of for Biden, whereas for Trump,
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the frontlines. Fascinating to see what stories the media focuses
on day in and day out, because it tells you
(19:05):
so much about their worldview or their politics in a
whole range of ways, and certainly in the aftermath of
a horrific mass shooting, whether they decide that this story
deserves wall to wall coverage is a political call to
(19:26):
action and is something that should be used to shame
their political opponents, irrespective of really what the facts are
of the situation. That is something that we see happening
time and time again. I bring it up because right now,
Clai and I talked to you yesterday about the shooting
that occurred over the weekend at a dance hall where
(19:50):
you had ten people who were murdered by this guy
who was just a disgruntled, disgruntled, deeply unhappy person who
just turned to the worst kind of evil, killed ten
people and was going to kill more. He moved to
a second location. I actually shared this clip on Twitter.
(20:11):
It's it's remarkable. Brandon Si was on scene there and
he was the individual, the hero who this guy is reloading. Now.
I know a lot of people think, oh I would
have done this too. A lot of people would freeze.
You've got somebody who has I think it's been repeatedly
described as a pistol, but it's or rather as an
(20:33):
assault rifle in the media, but it's really a pistol
with a folding stock, I think. But either way it's
it's illegal under technically, a pistol of the folding stock
illegal under California law. This guy, Brandon Si, essentially rushed
the shooter, who you can, I think safely assume otherwise
would have been able to kill another ten, fifteen, twenty
(20:55):
people who were helpless, defenseless at this So this guy
saved a lot of lives. But that shooting occurred over
the weekend, and as we know, the Democrats immediately jumped
into the oh, this is a hate crime. And I
don't just mean in general, Democrats, top legislators, senators, Democrats
associated closely with the Bide administration in the White House.
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There was another shooting over the last few days. Seven people.
Seven people were killed in this shooting. And this shooting
also involved an Asian American elderly a person, yeah, a
person of Asian descent, a Chinese agricultural laborer sixty seven
(21:41):
years old, so he's almost a senior citizen, who was
in the San Francisco area half Moon Bay, went into
his work facility and just started murdering people. Shot seven
people in cold blood. Now that a seventy two hours
after the other individual who actually killed eleven people, excuse me,
(22:04):
one of them additionally succumbed to injuries. I'll kill the
eleven people at a lunar New Year's celebration in Monterey Park,
which is near Los Angeles. Two major mass shootings by
two Asian assailants, one of whom already you believe committed
suicide in the car right during the standoffs, so he
(22:24):
won't face any trial. But two shootings mass shootings Asian assailants,
and the media interest on this is minimal because it's
not an opportunity to try to find some tie into
Trump and MAGA and white supremacy and all this other stuff.
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And one of the one of the big lives Clay
the media pushes about shooting a mass shootings, in particular
mass shootings of three or more people, is that this
is the it's disgruntled white males who do this. This
is what you'll always hear. It's actually not true. It's
not true because if you look at the data, what
you see is that when it comes to mass shootings,
(23:05):
the ethnicity of the shooter is essentially totally in line
with their percentage of the population. So mass shooters are
spread evenly among all they're all male, but among all
demographics white, Hispanic, Black, Asian. But yet the media likes
to push this storyline of it's you know, angry white
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males or you know, white supremacists who are the ones
who are doing all of this, which I think is
why they're not really talking about. Once again, they two
mass shootings, seventeen or eighteen people killed. You would think
like this would be wall to wall coverage. No, it
vanishes if it's not a white guy. And this is
the this is the truth. I mean, all of you
out there listening know that if there isn't an opportunity
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to tie this into white supremacy or or to far
right extremist culture, then the story just automost automatically vanishes.
And the one that is maybe the most emblematic of
this to me, buck is the shooting that happened in
Colorado at Boulder. Remember, they thought that that was a
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white guy, just based on pictures that came out of
a guy who looked like he was white in terms
of you could see his skin, and then it ended
up being that he was Middle Eastern, and the story
almost immediately vanished. So they initially said, oh, look, another
crazy white guy goes in and kills a bunch of
people in Boulder, Colorado, and you could actually track the
story and how much attention it was getting, and then
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as soon as it came out that he was of
Middle Eastern descent, the story vanished and a lot of
you probably haven't heard anything about that shooting in Colorado since. Yeah,
there is something deeply disturbing when you look at when
you really dive into it, when you pay attention to it.
The Democrat liberal mind has an obsession with the denigration
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of whiteness all the time, and particularly from white liberals.
They this is this is a a false virtue signaling
fixation that they have with how the evils of whiteness.
And you see this as it is evidenced by media
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coverage of these these mass shootings we're talking about. We
all know if, the IF, the IF, the mash. Instead
of saying there are evil people and deeply violently mentally
ill people who are spread through all populations, which is true,
and understanding that there are going to be people that
from from all different ethnic groups that are mass shooters
that's going to happen, which is what the data all shows.
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Instead of looking honestly at that issue because there's no
political advantage in it, they try to skew the issue
toward all mass shooters. You see this by the way,
I mean, they'll even be blue check commentators. There's a
mass shooter and the guy's white. They say, oh, it's
always a white mass shoot It's just not true. Yeah,
but this is this is one of the lies that
they believe and one of the lies that they repeat.
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And unfortunately, a lot of people you and I make
a living knowing what actually happens and what the data
actually is. A lot of people see, oh, okay, well
CNN says, you know, another another white, you know, male shooter,
and this is all the mass shooters or white males.
It's not It's not reality. And that's why I think,
you know, you have to remember the mindset during the
War on Terror era, we used to call the g
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WATT the Global War on Terror, and then they try
to get rid of that term. The Obama administration came
in and they wanted to call this is the fight
against al Qaeda, and you know later ISIS and all
this stuff. They wanted to call it something like Overseas
Continuency Operations against Violent Radical Extremism. I'm not kidding. It
was actually something that was so long. I remember sitting
in Langley when when the obamaministration came in and we're
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all laughing our asses off because it was We're like,
that's this is ridiculous. This is an encyclopedia. This isn't
a you know, an operation discussion. But I remember there
was there was a belief that to service the narrative
of oh, we're so scared about Islamophobia, they would always
downplay when there was a terrorist incident. You know, oh,
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we don't know, we don't know if this person is
a Muslim, we don't know what their belief system is,
and they would do this and we all kind of knew,
Like usually the guy screaming a lot of walk barns
on video and he's shooting something up, you kind of
know right away. I think there's a similar mentality among
a lot of the democratic line media now, which is,
let's not focus too much on the mass shot, on
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any mass shooting that doesn't evolve a white perpetrator, because
we have to tackle the problem of white male mass
shooters because they're the ones that do it all the time.
It's incongruent. It's what's the phrase, I'm dre cognitive dissonance. Yeah,
they can't handle it and just pay attention to this.
I mean, we had the Walmart shooter, was a black
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guy right in Virginia, went in shot up the place.
We had also in Virginia, in the same way that
we have the double Asian shooter. We had the former
football player at the University of Virginia who went and
shot several of his teammates. Two black mass shootings in
Virginia in like short concert. Now you've got two Asian
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mass shooting in short concert. The stories will vanish, but
you still hear a lot of talk about the Buffalo shooting. Right,
racist white guy goes into a black supermarket, kills people there,
and they choose which stories to emphasize. To your point,
first of all mass shootings, if we eliminated every mass shooting,
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and I think this is important, ninety eight percent of
murders would still be happening. So we have this idea
out there that mass shooting is a huge part of
the national murder rate. It's actually the case that if
we eliminated them, forty nine out of fifty murders still
be happening in this country. You know that's also true
A part of an issue It's also true about modern
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sporting rifles aka assault rifles. You bann assault rifles, ninety
eight percent of shooting still happen. Yeah, but they're you know,
they're obsessed with you know why because they view gun control. Yes,
ultimately they want to stop, they want to eliminate the
final stop gap against tyranny to the founding fathers and
shrine of the Constitution. But every call by a Democrat
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for gun control in some way is meant to be
a thumb in the eye of a white male Republican,
AAR fifteen owner. And that's why Libs in Brooklyn and
Santa Monica and Chicago and we're in DC, they get
so excited about it because it's meant to be c somehow.
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You a law abiding gun owner who lives in Texas
and has you know, seven a R fifteens and loves
to go to the range, you're the problem. It's a
neuroses that they have to do this. They want to
poke those people in the chest and blame them for
mass shootings by lunatics that have nothing to do with
those individuals. But that's it's just meant to be a
political cudgel. That's how the exception to this rule, Buck
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that I would point to is the shooting in Texas
and the school shooting is such a unique circumstance. The
Hispanic shooter there they covered obviously, you vil Day got
a massive amount of attention because of who the victims
were and where that shooting occurred. But otherwise the focal
point is always on white guys. That was also on
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the list of the biggest police failures of all time,
you know, up there with the FBI response to Waco.
Up there. You know, people talk about Ruby Ridge and
Waco and uval Day is a place of abject law
enforcement failure, and you know, you would hope that there'd
be important lessons learned from it, if that's possible for you,
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We're gonna be joined by Andy McCarthy at the top
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there at analyzing any legal related issue, certainly of a
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criminal nature as it pertains to the political realm. So
we're going to dive in with him on what he
thinks of the Biden classified document scandal, what about today's
Mike Pence revelations, Where is all this is headed? We
will discuss quite a lot with him as we continue
to power through in the third hour of the program.
Let me take a couple of your calls eight hundred
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two two two eight two. We try to sometimes drop
in some callers during the course of the program. Let's
go first to Kenny in Indiana. Kenny, what you got
for us? Any guys? Thanks for taking a call calling
from the great who's your state of Indiana? Appreciate your
analysis on the classified documents? Of course. But I've felt
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all along like this is just their panicking because they
knew that Republicans were probably going to take the House,
which they did, and they knew there would probably be
hardcore investigations to include the Biden crimes family, and I
think they've been preparing for that all along. They want
any and all documents that are out there. Of Course,
they're going to do the stormtrooper approach at Trump's place,
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and they don't need to do that with Terence, but
with Biden, he's such an idiot. So let me just
ask you this question. I've here, I heard that theory,
and I hear it quite a lot, and I'm sure
you do two buck to me, the number one way
to draw more scrutiny on yourself. It's just like waving
a white flag and being like, yeah, I'm an imbecile.
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I have improper documents. What Biden has done, if he
were trying to cover up his behavior, is actually the
exact opposite of a cover up. Yes, it keeps getting
worse for him, it's not over. So why that doesn't
I don't I don't get that. I don't understand why
I would understand it. If they went and looked up
all the documents buck and then they were just like
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they burned them and we never heard about it up.
This is the opposite of a cover up. It's like
calling a penalty on yourself in golf that somebody else
might not have seen. And so it's the opposite of
trying to rig job. Something some people did notice. I
said it yesterday. I think it. I think it hit
home for them. Don't assume there's a Biden, can ye,
when there's a Biden dumbass, you know, like there it
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is possible that the people in charge really are this
stupid and sloppy and not necessarily that there's some four
D chess going on here from whether it's Biden or
those who want Biden gone or whatever. I don't see
you know this, This all looks really bad for the
Biden White House right now. There's there's no way to
spin that. It's haphazard incompetence more than it's some sort
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of venal plot to try to cover things up. I mean,
if you were going to try to draw less attention
to yourself, I can't think of a way that would
draw more attigion to yourself. Then remember five separate acknowledgements
of classified documents being found. That's just waving your hands
and trying to draw the attention of authorities. It's like
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if you had a body in the back of your
car that you were trying to transport. Driving one hundred
and twenty miles an hour with your blinkers on while
going down the street would be one of the most
ways to avoid drawing attention to yourself. Well, we're gonna
be talking to our friend Annie McCarthy about this in
just a few moments here on the legal realities of this. Also,
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in the next hour, former ci director, former Secretary of
State Mike Pompeo will be with us. Mister Pompeo is
going to talk to us about the Ukraine War. Here's
something you might want to know. We may be giving
Abrams tanks to Ukraine soon. I remember when just providing
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them with fighter jets was something that was considered a
bit too far. Abram's battle tanks. We will discuss whether
this is a good idea. Are we getting deeper into
the Ukraine conflict than we bargained for play It's going
to be quite an hour, no kidding. Plus, we'll probably
just go ahead and ask Mike Pompeo, Do you have
classified documents too. We'll see what he says.
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