September 10, 2021 • 36 mins
Rudy Giuliani shares his reflections on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. Clay and Buck remember where they were on 9/11. Clip from President George W. Bush's speech at Ground Zero in 2001. Clay and Buck offer more thoughts on September 11, 2001. Callers on 9/11, vaccine mandate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to The Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. We are a day away from the
twenty year anniversary of the nine to eleven attacks on
this country. When we were joined out by somebody who
certainly was in the center of that storm and has
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a very particular perspective on it, the former mayor of
New York City, former US Attorney for the Southern Southern
District of New York and you can follow his work
at Ruby's Commonsense dot com or Ruby Giuliani. Good to
have you on, sir, That's an honor to be on.
Thank you. What was it like that day? I mean
take us back, because I think one of the most
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important things for people now is part of the reflection,
is to make sure we don't forget that, We don't
forget both what it was to be attacked in that way,
but also the heroism of those who ran into the towers,
who sacrificed themselves, and how America rallied. But to take
us into those initial moments when you were the mayor
of America's largest city on September eleven to two, thousand
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and one. Well, it was it was like being in hell,
or it was more like being in battle than it
would be a you know, an urban situation. When I
realized that it was a terrorist attack for sure, which
was in the second plane came in, I was probably
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one mile from the from the building, heading down there
to join my police commissioner. And then when I got
to the site, people were jumping out of the buildings.
Some of them were hitting people on the ground to
breed with hitting people and knocking them down. And I
went up to the fire department command post and made
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sure that the fire department had the resources, and also
I needed to divide I needed to divide the commands.
So the fire department was in charge of the fire
and doing everything they could to save people, and the
police department was in charge of guarding the rest of
the city. People don't realize that at the time. When
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I finally got the White House, they told me that
there were seven to twelve planes still on the counter
form that Vice President Channey had just sent out jets
that hopefully would keep them away from the city, but
that I should consider the possibility that there would be
follow up ground attacks, which we had already which we
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had already assumed. Our plan for that is to send
our terrorism tasks for us to those sites that we
think they're going to hit. So Bernie Carricters dispatched them
to places like the stock has changed, the Empire State building.
We also emptied all those buildings out immediately. That that list,
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oh gosh, that list has been compiled over twenty years.
I used to be you know, I used to prosecute
the cases of the join terrorists and tasks for US,
so I knew it intimately. That list is built up
over time. When you pick up terrorists and you take
everything they have, they have plans with them for bombings.
So out of those plans, you develop a list of
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what are they what are they most interested in doing?
And the number one target, by the way it was,
was the stock exchanged, not the World's raide center. And
we had a triage to the hospitals and it was
a terrible It was. It was. It was an exercise
in saying to yourself, I'm not going to think about
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what's happening now. I'm going to just keep my mind
focused on, you know, what's the right decision, and then
pray to God that it was right. Luckily, I was
a mayor for seven and a half years. I had
been through virtually every kind of an emergency you could imagine.
I also started the first a mayor's office of emergency management.
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We never had and before I did that second day
I was in office, and we did a lot of training,
and we did a lot of training at the World
Trade Center. So I did feel a certain confidence that
we would know what we were doing, but also very
challenged by the fact that this was way beyond what
we anticipate. I know, mister mayor, that you had so
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many friends and family members and people that you knew
well in those buildings, also working with the police department
and the fire department. How do you balance out in
that moment of incalculable tragedy, the personal and the but
at the same time the responsibility you have as a mayor.
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How hard was that to balance the humanity and also
the job. It was hard. I mean it, I mean
I had learned how to do. It was Flight eight hundred,
another airplane crash, building collapses, hostage situation, Westmoule virus. I mean,
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we had been through so many emergencies you learn how
to keep yourself focused on the emergency. And we also
had emergency plans for about twenty two different situations, so
we did a lot of tabletop exercises, and so there
was a certain you know, I played a role. I
was the mayor, I was in charge. I had to
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make decisions. I also knew that I had enormously competent people,
so I never had like a if I gave a
task to Chief Zito, I knew I had, you know,
a twenty five year cop who've been through everything. Or
if I gave a task to Rudy Washington, it was
my deputy mayor in charge of transportation. I knew he'd
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be able to clear the area out for the fire
department so that people could get back and forth. Or
if I if I just gave the order to my
other deputy mayor who was in charge of hospitals, you
got a triage to the hospitals in the area. I
didn't have to explain to him how to triage of
the hospitals. He had done it twenty times before. So
there was an advantage that I had in having an
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extraordinarily experienced, talented group of people. Otherwise I could I
could have made the right decision, and they could actually
give them incorrectly. We're speaking to former Mayor of New
York City on September eleven, two thousand and one, Rudolph
Giuliani and mister Mayor NYPD and F D and Y.
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The Fire Department of City of New York lost a
lot of a lot of their men and women that day,
and in the aftermath of those those initial the towers
coming down, there was a tremendous amount of work that
city employees and folks had to do. I just wanted
to hear you speak to how you saw people come
together and the and the rallying that occurred in this
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city and for the whole country in the aftermath. I
thought it was magnificent. I mean right right right that
very day. The firefighters put there put their flag up,
the flag almost like Iwajima, which was very, very meaningful
to me because I had just read Broke Caused book
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on the Greatest Generation, and there was always the question,
you know, could they handle it? And when I saw
those firefighters, I said to myself, these are the sons
and grandsons for the people who won the Second World War.
They got it, they still got it, and I knew that.
I knew some of those guys, and they were on
top of a pile with about three thousand degree fire
below them, and they didn't give a damn. They went up,
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put the flag up, and basically they were saying, you know,
we're coming from the pal We're not gonna you know,
the hell with Bill Clinton, who you know three times
slapped her on the risk when you killed Americans. We've
got a different president now, and it's gonna be a
different situation. Everyone felt that. I mean, I told my
police commissioner, thank god, Gordon Win, And what I meant
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by that was I knew about Ben Lotton for two
and a half years. I was being warned he was
going to come and hit us two and a half
years earlier, as a result of the FBI briefings, I
had to close down the area around the Federal Courthouse
because we had some of this p bond trial. I
had to close down the area around the stock Exchange
that the hall. We had at least three or four
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falls warnings that he was going to attack us, And
every time he did attack us overseas and Clinton would
go bomb an empty field, I would get it raged.
I would say, I mean, I investigated Araba in the
eighties and knew that he murdered twenty seven people. I
couldn't understand what Clinton was doing sucking up to him.
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I think a lot. I think a lot. I mean
a lot of the problems in the Middle East come
from that. So I was not a fan of Bill
Clinton's the way in which I thought he was encouraging him,
the way Biden is doing now. The usual Democrat was
thought slapped him on the wrist instead of knocked him
into the next game of them. We're talking to Rudy Giuliani,
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Mayor of New York City, on September eleventh, twentieth anniversary
of this tragedy. Tomorrow. You mentioned George W. Bush and
the iconic moments and responses with the megaphone standing on
the wreckage. What was your recollection of that moment? And
then how important also, yeah, you were right there? What
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was that? What was that moment? Like George W. Bush? There,
I pushed the firefighter up with the megaphone. He was
a retired firefighter. He was seventy years old, that guy,
and he gave him the megaphone and then stood next
to him and Bush put his arm around him, and
I mean that was one of that was first of all,
Bush was in a great deal of danger at that time.
People should know that, and not just the possibility of
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being taken out by the terrorists, but that site was
inherently dangerous. There was a fire below the ground. I
don't know how many degrees fahrenheit, but gigantic, and there
was no way to know where it would break out.
I mean I could be talking to a commissioner or
someone in between us, a fire could break out. So
we did the best we could, Governor Pataki and I
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to find the right spots for him. The Secret Service
was really angry at us encouraging him to go down there,
and every minute he was there, I kept thinking, oh,
my goodness, or something goes wrong. And he stayed forever.
I mean, he gave that, he gave those remarks and
those were inspiring. But people don't realize he shook hands
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with hundreds a hundred people. He was supposed to shake
hands with six people symbolically and leaves, and instead of that,
he went into the crowd and he shook hands with
about one hundred people. And I loved it, because you know,
we had a morale issue with the people there that
were searching. They were searching for their sons, their brothers,
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their friends. It wasn't a professional it was personal. And
he just lifted this spirit. And when he said, you know,
they're gonna hear from us, they knew what he meant.
And these are tough guys. They knew they knew he meant.
Enough of the you know, playing around with the terrorists.
It's time. It's time to let him know where the
United States of America and you don't screw around us,
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just exactly, you know, the opposite of what Biden just did.
And this this twentieth Anniversity many people I just finished
with one of my deputy mayors, is the worst we've
had because we're back where it's like we've it's like,
you know, uh, back to the past. And they went
back on the day before nine to eleven with Taliban
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in charge. Al Qaeda, you know, doubled doubled that number
of people in the last two weeks. You know, with
the Kanti network is planning. They may not be able
to do it immediately, but you know they're gonna they're
gonna do everything they can to come back and attack
us and every time Biden, you know, uses a drone
attack on people we can't even name, we don't even
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know who the hell he hit, they just laugh at him.
And as they just watch them on television, they laugh
at him. They see a snial old man who's who's
wants to be partners with them. They'd be like I
wanted to be partners with the mafia. I mean, it's
ain we got. We got people running that government that
have wanted I mean, I tell some of my police
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and military buddies, we should get a group together. We
should go capture a Connie. We should bring him back
and collect a ten million dollar reward and give us
a tunnel of the towers. We got a guy that's
got a ten million dollars bounty on his head, that's
running the Interior Department, which means the police. It's pathetic. Well,
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mister Mayor, as a as an American and as a
fellow lifelong New Yorker, I just want to say thank
you for your service to your city, to your country,
and for being with us today in the day before
the anniversary of nine eleven, and thank you so much.
Are always always an honor to talk to you. God
bless Man clay Uh. You know, he brings up the
Afghanistan and where we are now. And look, there's there's
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the heroism of the MYPD, the FDNY, the rallying together
that occurred, and that's something we also always need to
remember in nine to eleven, all those who those who
who stormed the terrorists in the cockpit and brought the
plane down that was going to hate the capital. There's
there's that part of the story. And when we also
look at the twenty years that have passed, we have
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to see, all right, where are we now? And that's
what I think Rudy got into there a bit. So
we should come back and talk about that part of
this Afghanistan and then also you your just memories of
that day in mind as well, and if anyone has
some nine to eleven reflections that they want to share
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show sobering interview
there with Rudy Giuliani about nearly twenty years ago and
what happened on nine eleven For his personal recollections. And
it is wild to think about Buck, not only twenty
years ago and what everyone in our audience experienced who
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remembers that day, but also where we are twenty years later.
And I think this hour probably makes some sense to
reflect upon the twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven. But Buck,
you were, I think, in college, right, but you had
tons of friends who were in New York City. How
did you become aware of what was happening that morning?
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I remember I walked into an English literature class and
the professor, the guy's it was Professor so Field. And
I always feel like when I tell this, you know
your memory placed tricks on you. But there are some
flashes that I just seared into my brain. Right. The
professor said, go back a plane, go back to your rooms.
A plane is running the building. We're worried about some
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of the faculty and family member family members of faculty
and students who may have been affected in the World
Trade Center. And I, like everyone high I had the
sent on everyone, but a lot of people had the
same reaction, which is in your mind, you're thinking, oh, gosh,
aviation accident, maybe a you know, a prop plane, maybe
you know, five or six people. That was what we thought.
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And then I went back and flipped on the TV
and saw what was going on, and you knew right
away this is not that. What about you. I was
a first year law student and that morning I woke
up and the alarm went off. And when that alarm
went off, there was a report on the radio. Hey,
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a plane had flown into the World Trade Center. I
got in my car to drive to class and at
that time, nobody really had substantial amounts of you know,
internet access in the classroom or anything else. So I
was in the classroom and you know, people kind of
knew that there was an issue that had happened, but
it wasn't a way we weren't aware of housing nificant.
It was Well, continue this story here a moment, But
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first I want to play do we have the audio
from Bush Allen the Rubble. I want you to hear
this because Drudy Giuliani was just talking and telling us
about that incident, and I want you to be able
to hear George W. Bush in the rubble nine to eleven.
Giuliani said he was right at his foot as he
put his arm around that retired fire department employee. Here's
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what that sounded like. I can hear you, I can
hear you, the arrest of the world, hear you, and
the people and the people who are knocked the filming them. Well,
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megaphone which Rudy Giuliani said that he had passed up
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These people are doing right here. Alder we know right
now is it is who airplane struck the two large
towers of the World Trade Center. We spoke to the
White House there also, apparently with an attack on the Pentagon.
We asked that the airspace around the city of New
York would be sealed by military aircraft. We've ben a
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fund that it has and we've seen the military air
the air So we're hopeful that right now things are
secure and we need one of the open space we
can get to evacuate people, to get to people, and
we're gonna have gone down all old Norse. That was
then Mayor Rudy Giuliani speaking reporters on nine eleven, two
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thousand and one. We have the twentieth anniversary of it tomorrow.
You can you can hear in the background there just
some of the commotion military fighter jets and everything that
was going on that day. Laremont hadn't Clay was in
law school. I was in undergrad at the time, and
we just thought we'd we'd share with you some of
our recollections from that day. I told you that I
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heard about it when to class came back and I
saw the first I'm sorry, I saw what had happened
with the first plane, and then to my memory, I
was watching live as the second plane hit, and I
remember saying, at least this is what I remember from
twenty years ago. Now, oh my god, we're going to war.
Because at that point it was so clear that it
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was an attack, and it was you know, we didn't
know at that moment necessarily who it was, but we
knew that we were under under attack. That was clear.
And then Clay I was up at this It was
a I remember before the day's events, before the actual
attack happened, people were commenting on what a what a
peaceful day it had been in New York City, and
it felt like that up in central Massachusetts until this
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happened as well. It was one of those almost impossibly
in terms of the weather, beautiful mornings and then disrupted
by the most heinous kind of act imaginable, and we
were wandering around campus and we just had no real
idea what was going on. I remember the presiduntil the
college called me because I had an uncle through marriage.
My mother's sister's husband worked for aon corporation and was
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very high up in one of the towers. He happened
to be late to work that day. He lost most
so my uncle survived, though initially we did not think
he did, And then we just started to think about
all the other people we knew we were in the buildings.
Canter Fitzgerald a on so many different companies that are
recruited from New York City. And I'll just share this
with you, and I want to hear what you remember
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from that day they gathered. It was the only all
school gathering that I can remember happening when I was
in four years of undergrad college and we were all
still wandering, just kind of wandering around in a day's
I mean, we were undergrads and didn't really know what
was going on, and a professor stood up and I
will never forget this because it was formative for my
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view of the battles inside this country as well as outside.
A professor stood up and said, on the day when
people are still finding out that they have relatives in
the relatives that are buried at nine to eleven, this
is what happens when you make people angry with your
foreign policy. That was what a professor at my school
said at an all school assembly. There was a flag
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burning on my campus about two or three weeks after
nine to eleven, in response to the surge of patriotism
that made people from you know, the various left wing
communities uncomfortable with the surge of imperialism and the death
of you know of people abroad that would occur, I mean, Clay.
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This is when I realized the left is actually insane,
and there are elements of the left that truly wants
to bring down the country and root against the country.
That's wild. I didn't experience anything like that. Now. I
was in America's heartland as we speak. I was in
law school. I was into my torts class and we
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went in and again it's it's a different world for
younger people out there. The cell phone networks went down, right,
which is the only real time that I can ever
remember the cell phone networks going down and people didn't
text yet, right, So you had a cell phone in
O one, but you would still call and you couldn't
make a call, right, Like, basically all cell phone networks
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were down for much of the country. I was using
instant messenger to check in with family. I remember that. Yeah.
And so we were in class and we came out
of class and the second building had been struck, and
I stood in the four year of Vanderbilt University of
Law School with all the students there. They had televisions on,
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which was rare, and we watched the towers collapse. And
the only thing that I remember from a person in
position of authority was in retrospect, this certainly would not
happen now. But the dean of the law school came
out and he said, we're not canceling any classes because
terrorists want to disrupt our normal activities, and so everybody's
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just going to continue to go to class for the
rest of the day. So they didn't. I mean, nowadays,
you know, you'd probably shut down for a week, right,
And in retrospect that kind of stiff upper lip. I
remember sitting in class right after that, watching the towers
come down, and I was in a legal writing and
research class. I remember thinking like, how in the world
are we ask questions? And you know, study the law
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right now where the entire world has changed in an
instant with what was going on there, But we had
class and the only real change and I maybe misremembering
it afterwards, but I don't think I am. Some people
had family and friends, certainly who were in the Towers,
and usually in law school they will at least then
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the classes run on the Socratic method, so you don't
know when you're gonna get called on, and you just
get grilled on whatever legal case that you were supposed
to be studying at that point in time. For several weeks,
they did away with the Socratic method. They didn't want
to call on someone who might be dealing grieving with
nine to eleven related issues. And remember I was in
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DC so one for college. So one of my first
thoughts was the Pentagon being hit, right, because I had
just left DC like a couple of weeks before to
go back and start law school. So I still had
a ton of friends in DC who were panicked, and
you know, could see the flames from the Pentagon from
the rooftop near George Washington University where I had gone,
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and obviously the brave people with in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.
But the fear was that there was going to be
a plane go into the Capitol and also go into
the White House. And so it was absolutely it wasn't
even just I mean, that was what was going to happen.
I believe it was Todd Beamer who led that charge
behind the food service cart on that flight that went
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down in the in the field of Checksville, Pennsylvania, which
gets forgotten about by a lot of people, but is
an amazing hero. The fine three right ninety three, which
there was that plane was going to be. That plane
was heading right for the Capitol or the White House.
I mean, it could have been either, but the Capital
they believe was the target. And it's it's amazing in retrospect,
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quite honestly, Clay of that they were able to stop
that from happening, no doubt. And al Qaeda when you
when we think about how easy it was for them
to hijack all those planes and how just from a
security perspective, we were just sleepwalking. I mean as a
country which we weren't ready for it at all, as
horrific as it was. I know a lot of people
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that analyze security and you know the possibilities of this.
They could have seized twenty planes. That would not have
been that difficult for them to do. So, Yeah, and
obviously we have a very different feeling now. I mean,
it's been the case I think for a long time
that if anyone hijacks the plane, now they know that
they're gonna have everybody. The assumption is it used to
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be because of the old terrorism, the plane might land somewhere,
there'd be negotiations, and that's what had happened to some
of these uh, these uh you know, Islamist liberation groups
and other terrorist entities. Now we all know, I mean,
it changed our thinking dramatically, and now we all know
that if it comes down to it, you have to
willing to storm the cockpit. Everybody, every man and woman
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on that plane, has to be willing to storm the cockpit.
It's kind of a thing for life, I think now
in the world that we live in, that's what we face.
If any of you have reflections you want to share,
We're also going to get a police do call. We're
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A two. Let's get too. We have rubin in too
laure California. Is that right? Yeah, buddy, there we go.
What's up? Well? I was talking to you are their
helper there? And Uh, I told him I was in
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New England when that happened, and there was a television.
I was making a delivery. I'm a truck driver and
I got out there in night to that office and
we're watching it on a television and it was sad. Me.
It was really sad, and like they shut down the highway.
It said to wait about a day and a half
of them reopen it. Get across, go to California. I
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stopped in Iowa forty nine and uh there was a
guy there at the truck stop and he gave me
a flag. It was sad. It was a somber day.
Everybody's still in shock. And he told me put this
flag up on your outside of your truck. So I'm
sure man. They said, they said thank you, and I
went across, went back to California, and uh, I got
some ways and some smiles and kind of I guess
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it kind of helped a little bit, you know, maybe,
but it was a little bit of something. But you
know what, I'm going to stop at a hardware store
and I'm gonna put that flag on, even though it's
a different time, different day, but I'm gonna do that.
Thank you for the call, Thank you for the call.
Route he wants a number of people, by the way,
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Buck who were on airplanes, you know, that got scrambled
and relocated and had to spend days. Uh, you know,
they took a lot of them in I think up
in basically New Newfoundland. And I'm probably mispronouncing that, I think.
But the Come from Away, you know, the play that
they did on Broadway that is based on that. They
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brought all these people who were in the air because
they didn't know which airplanes might be to sell with
box putter, I could have seized control of an another
plane in the air and done the same. We had
no we had no idea how many of these no idea. Yeah,
I was telling so I remember my parents talking to
them on the phone. I think was the night of
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so the night you know, after the first night after
the planes hit in the morning, and they were just
telling me that those f fifteens. Man, if you were
living in New York City, you were just hearing fifteens
roaring around the sky ready in case there. You know,
there were this concern that there would be another hijack plane.
I mean they were ready to shride down or at
least that was that was the idea that they shoot
down a plane if it came. Jennifer in Columbia, South Carolina.
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She might have some interesting insight here in the whole
Post Office vax mandate debate. Jennifer, thanks so much. Hey, buzz,
how are y'all doing? We're great, Thank you. Well, I
just wanted to call because I'm a world carrier and
I'm work in a smaller office and we have certainly
worked through COVID for the past year and a half
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and we are working at level three times and what
we're used to, and everybody's tired and worn out, but
still trying to get through it. But I know that
there are some people in my office that would quit
the job rather than get vaccinated. And we are already
short staff. We're down routes. You know, every day, there's
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other offices that are down multiple routes today because of
the short staff, trying to hire like everybody else, but
nobody wants to work or applying like you would think
that they would. And I think that if the people,
even if it's just a few people that don't want
to be vaccinated, that leads a postal service, they're really
going to be struggling, especially going into the holiday season. Jennifer,
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can you just do you know or can you give
us a little insight into whether or not the post
off because there was this report that the six hundred
thousand employees of the Postal Service, I think that's what
the number that I saw. That seems huge, but that
they are not going to be covered by this, well,
we have been We have been told when he came
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out before and set federal employees were going to have
you mandated that we were exempts. We heard it this time,
but then there was some Backdolan saying, well, you may
have be tested once a week if you're not going
to be vaccinated, and that might be at employee's extent. Wow,
it is about a half a million. It's a I
see here. This is four hundred and sixty nine thousand
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USPS career employees one hundred and thirty six thousand nonk
er so it is. It's a huge number. Clad in
Rose was that big? Yeah, and I think her call
is a good one. That as we get ready for
the holiday season, if there are a decent percentage of
employees that would refuse this, arguably our ability to deliver
packages would collapse. That's basically what you're saying. Thanks for
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calling us, right, but based on your understanding, that's the
reason why there could be a difference of treatment there.
That's correct, that's correct. Yeah, if the postal service collapses
under Biden's watch, it's a bad look. I think I
have a bad I think that's fair to say. Jennifer,
thank you for what you do. Thanks for calling, and
we appreciate it. Patty in Fort Wayne, Indian a place
I've actually spent some time in recent years. Patty, what's up, Hey, guys,
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thanks for carrying on Russia's legacy. She'll appreciate you. Thank you,
thank you. I wanted to make a couple of comments.
First of all, to all of these people calling in
who are planning to resign from their jobs, I have
a word of advice. But then also I'd like to
just mention something about my bewilderment over Biden's apparent visceral
hatred for unvaccinated citizens. So, first of all, to these
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employees who say they're going to resign, I would just
encourage them not to resign. Please make your employer fire you,
because at that point you will have some legal recourse,
you'll be able to draw unemployment, you'll have Cobra health
insurance options. But mostly for a lot of these companies,
they may be represented by a union, and it will
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be interesting to see what their union representatives will do
to protect It's a good point. This is a fantastic point, Patty.
Well done. It is a challenge, and we're going to
continue to talk about this, the vaccine mandate that came
out from Joe Biden. When we come back at the
top of the third hour, we're going to dive back
into this story from a legal political perspective and discuss it.
(36:13):
Final hour of the week, Buck so much to get into. Yeah,
plus the Los Angeles County mandate for kids twelve thirteen,
fourteen year old kids. Now they're gonna say get the
vacs or you don't get educated. What's that gonna mean?
That sounds like it might have a disproportioned impact on
low income communities. They care about that. We'll talk about it.
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Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to The Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. We are a day away from the
twenty year anniversary of the nine to eleven attacks on
this country. When we were joined out by somebody who
certainly was in the center of that storm and has
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a very particular perspective on it, the former mayor of
New York City, former US Attorney for the Southern Southern
District of New York and you can follow his work
at Ruby's Commonsense dot com or Ruby Giuliani. Good to
have you on, sir, That's an honor to be on.
Thank you. What was it like that day? I mean
take us back, because I think one of the most
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important things for people now is part of the reflection,
is to make sure we don't forget that, We don't
forget both what it was to be attacked in that way,
but also the heroism of those who ran into the towers,
who sacrificed themselves, and how America rallied. But to take
us into those initial moments when you were the mayor
of America's largest city on September eleven to two, thousand
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and one. Well, it was it was like being in hell,
or it was more like being in battle than it
would be a you know, an urban situation. When I
realized that it was a terrorist attack for sure, which
was in the second plane came in, I was probably
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one mile from the from the building, heading down there
to join my police commissioner. And then when I got
to the site, people were jumping out of the buildings.
Some of them were hitting people on the ground to
breed with hitting people and knocking them down. And I
went up to the fire department command post and made
(01:46):
sure that the fire department had the resources, and also
I needed to divide I needed to divide the commands.
So the fire department was in charge of the fire
and doing everything they could to save people, and the
police department was in charge of guarding the rest of
the city. People don't realize that at the time. When
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I finally got the White House, they told me that
there were seven to twelve planes still on the counter
form that Vice President Channey had just sent out jets
that hopefully would keep them away from the city, but
that I should consider the possibility that there would be
follow up ground attacks, which we had already which we
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had already assumed. Our plan for that is to send
our terrorism tasks for us to those sites that we
think they're going to hit. So Bernie Carricters dispatched them
to places like the stock has changed, the Empire State building.
We also emptied all those buildings out immediately. That that list,
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oh gosh, that list has been compiled over twenty years.
I used to be you know, I used to prosecute
the cases of the join terrorists and tasks for US,
so I knew it intimately. That list is built up
over time. When you pick up terrorists and you take
everything they have, they have plans with them for bombings.
So out of those plans, you develop a list of
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what are they what are they most interested in doing?
And the number one target, by the way it was,
was the stock exchanged, not the World's raide center. And
we had a triage to the hospitals and it was
a terrible It was. It was. It was an exercise
in saying to yourself, I'm not going to think about
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what's happening now. I'm going to just keep my mind
focused on, you know, what's the right decision, and then
pray to God that it was right. Luckily, I was
a mayor for seven and a half years. I had
been through virtually every kind of an emergency you could imagine.
I also started the first a mayor's office of emergency management.
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We never had and before I did that second day
I was in office, and we did a lot of training,
and we did a lot of training at the World
Trade Center. So I did feel a certain confidence that
we would know what we were doing, but also very
challenged by the fact that this was way beyond what
we anticipate. I know, mister mayor, that you had so
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many friends and family members and people that you knew
well in those buildings, also working with the police department
and the fire department. How do you balance out in
that moment of incalculable tragedy, the personal and the but
at the same time the responsibility you have as a mayor.
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How hard was that to balance the humanity and also
the job. It was hard. I mean it, I mean
I had learned how to do. It was Flight eight hundred,
another airplane crash, building collapses, hostage situation, Westmoule virus. I mean,
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we had been through so many emergencies you learn how
to keep yourself focused on the emergency. And we also
had emergency plans for about twenty two different situations, so
we did a lot of tabletop exercises, and so there
was a certain you know, I played a role. I
was the mayor, I was in charge. I had to
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make decisions. I also knew that I had enormously competent people,
so I never had like a if I gave a
task to Chief Zito, I knew I had, you know,
a twenty five year cop who've been through everything. Or
if I gave a task to Rudy Washington, it was
my deputy mayor in charge of transportation. I knew he'd
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be able to clear the area out for the fire
department so that people could get back and forth. Or
if I if I just gave the order to my
other deputy mayor who was in charge of hospitals, you
got a triage to the hospitals in the area. I
didn't have to explain to him how to triage of
the hospitals. He had done it twenty times before. So
there was an advantage that I had in having an
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extraordinarily experienced, talented group of people. Otherwise I could I
could have made the right decision, and they could actually
give them incorrectly. We're speaking to former Mayor of New
York City on September eleven, two thousand and one, Rudolph
Giuliani and mister Mayor NYPD and F D and Y.
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The Fire Department of City of New York lost a
lot of a lot of their men and women that day,
and in the aftermath of those those initial the towers
coming down, there was a tremendous amount of work that
city employees and folks had to do. I just wanted
to hear you speak to how you saw people come
together and the and the rallying that occurred in this
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city and for the whole country in the aftermath. I
thought it was magnificent. I mean right right right that
very day. The firefighters put there put their flag up,
the flag almost like Iwajima, which was very, very meaningful
to me because I had just read Broke Caused book
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on the Greatest Generation, and there was always the question,
you know, could they handle it? And when I saw
those firefighters, I said to myself, these are the sons
and grandsons for the people who won the Second World War.
They got it, they still got it, and I knew that.
I knew some of those guys, and they were on
top of a pile with about three thousand degree fire
below them, and they didn't give a damn. They went up,
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put the flag up, and basically they were saying, you know,
we're coming from the pal We're not gonna you know,
the hell with Bill Clinton, who you know three times
slapped her on the risk when you killed Americans. We've
got a different president now, and it's gonna be a
different situation. Everyone felt that. I mean, I told my
police commissioner, thank god, Gordon Win, And what I meant
(08:01):
by that was I knew about Ben Lotton for two
and a half years. I was being warned he was
going to come and hit us two and a half
years earlier, as a result of the FBI briefings, I
had to close down the area around the Federal Courthouse
because we had some of this p bond trial. I
had to close down the area around the stock Exchange
that the hall. We had at least three or four
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falls warnings that he was going to attack us, And
every time he did attack us overseas and Clinton would
go bomb an empty field, I would get it raged.
I would say, I mean, I investigated Araba in the
eighties and knew that he murdered twenty seven people. I
couldn't understand what Clinton was doing sucking up to him.
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I think a lot. I think a lot. I mean
a lot of the problems in the Middle East come
from that. So I was not a fan of Bill
Clinton's the way in which I thought he was encouraging him,
the way Biden is doing now. The usual Democrat was
thought slapped him on the wrist instead of knocked him
into the next game of them. We're talking to Rudy Giuliani,
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Mayor of New York City, on September eleventh, twentieth anniversary
of this tragedy. Tomorrow. You mentioned George W. Bush and
the iconic moments and responses with the megaphone standing on
the wreckage. What was your recollection of that moment? And
then how important also, yeah, you were right there? What
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was that? What was that moment? Like George W. Bush? There,
I pushed the firefighter up with the megaphone. He was
a retired firefighter. He was seventy years old, that guy,
and he gave him the megaphone and then stood next
to him and Bush put his arm around him, and
I mean that was one of that was first of all,
Bush was in a great deal of danger at that time.
People should know that, and not just the possibility of
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being taken out by the terrorists, but that site was
inherently dangerous. There was a fire below the ground. I
don't know how many degrees fahrenheit, but gigantic, and there
was no way to know where it would break out.
I mean I could be talking to a commissioner or
someone in between us, a fire could break out. So
we did the best we could, Governor Pataki and I
(10:13):
to find the right spots for him. The Secret Service
was really angry at us encouraging him to go down there,
and every minute he was there, I kept thinking, oh,
my goodness, or something goes wrong. And he stayed forever.
I mean, he gave that, he gave those remarks and
those were inspiring. But people don't realize he shook hands
(10:34):
with hundreds a hundred people. He was supposed to shake
hands with six people symbolically and leaves, and instead of that,
he went into the crowd and he shook hands with
about one hundred people. And I loved it, because you know,
we had a morale issue with the people there that
were searching. They were searching for their sons, their brothers,
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their friends. It wasn't a professional it was personal. And
he just lifted this spirit. And when he said, you know,
they're gonna hear from us, they knew what he meant.
And these are tough guys. They knew they knew he meant.
Enough of the you know, playing around with the terrorists.
It's time. It's time to let him know where the
United States of America and you don't screw around us,
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just exactly, you know, the opposite of what Biden just did.
And this this twentieth Anniversity many people I just finished
with one of my deputy mayors, is the worst we've
had because we're back where it's like we've it's like,
you know, uh, back to the past. And they went
back on the day before nine to eleven with Taliban
(11:38):
in charge. Al Qaeda, you know, doubled doubled that number
of people in the last two weeks. You know, with
the Kanti network is planning. They may not be able
to do it immediately, but you know they're gonna they're
gonna do everything they can to come back and attack
us and every time Biden, you know, uses a drone
attack on people we can't even name, we don't even
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know who the hell he hit, they just laugh at him.
And as they just watch them on television, they laugh
at him. They see a snial old man who's who's
wants to be partners with them. They'd be like I
wanted to be partners with the mafia. I mean, it's
ain we got. We got people running that government that
have wanted I mean, I tell some of my police
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and military buddies, we should get a group together. We
should go capture a Connie. We should bring him back
and collect a ten million dollar reward and give us
a tunnel of the towers. We got a guy that's
got a ten million dollars bounty on his head, that's
running the Interior Department, which means the police. It's pathetic. Well,
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mister Mayor, as a as an American and as a
fellow lifelong New Yorker, I just want to say thank
you for your service to your city, to your country,
and for being with us today in the day before
the anniversary of nine eleven, and thank you so much.
Are always always an honor to talk to you. God
bless Man clay Uh. You know, he brings up the
Afghanistan and where we are now. And look, there's there's
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the heroism of the MYPD, the FDNY, the rallying together
that occurred, and that's something we also always need to
remember in nine to eleven, all those who those who
who stormed the terrorists in the cockpit and brought the
plane down that was going to hate the capital. There's
there's that part of the story. And when we also
look at the twenty years that have passed, we have
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to see, all right, where are we now? And that's
what I think Rudy got into there a bit. So
we should come back and talk about that part of
this Afghanistan and then also you your just memories of
that day in mind as well, and if anyone has
some nine to eleven reflections that they want to share
in this hour, the lines are open and is open
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show sobering interview
there with Rudy Giuliani about nearly twenty years ago and
what happened on nine eleven For his personal recollections. And
it is wild to think about Buck, not only twenty
years ago and what everyone in our audience experienced who
(15:18):
remembers that day, but also where we are twenty years later.
And I think this hour probably makes some sense to
reflect upon the twentieth anniversary of nine to eleven. But Buck,
you were, I think, in college, right, but you had
tons of friends who were in New York City. How
did you become aware of what was happening that morning?
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I remember I walked into an English literature class and
the professor, the guy's it was Professor so Field. And
I always feel like when I tell this, you know
your memory placed tricks on you. But there are some
flashes that I just seared into my brain. Right. The
professor said, go back a plane, go back to your rooms.
A plane is running the building. We're worried about some
(15:59):
of the faculty and family member family members of faculty
and students who may have been affected in the World
Trade Center. And I, like everyone high I had the
sent on everyone, but a lot of people had the
same reaction, which is in your mind, you're thinking, oh, gosh,
aviation accident, maybe a you know, a prop plane, maybe
you know, five or six people. That was what we thought.
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And then I went back and flipped on the TV
and saw what was going on, and you knew right
away this is not that. What about you. I was
a first year law student and that morning I woke
up and the alarm went off. And when that alarm
went off, there was a report on the radio. Hey,
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a plane had flown into the World Trade Center. I
got in my car to drive to class and at
that time, nobody really had substantial amounts of you know,
internet access in the classroom or anything else. So I
was in the classroom and you know, people kind of
knew that there was an issue that had happened, but
it wasn't a way we weren't aware of housing nificant.
It was Well, continue this story here a moment, But
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first I want to play do we have the audio
from Bush Allen the Rubble. I want you to hear
this because Drudy Giuliani was just talking and telling us
about that incident, and I want you to be able
to hear George W. Bush in the rubble nine to eleven.
Giuliani said he was right at his foot as he
put his arm around that retired fire department employee. Here's
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what that sounded like. I can hear you, I can
hear you, the arrest of the world, hear you, and
the people and the people who are knocked the filming them. Well,
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megaphone which Rudy Giuliani said that he had passed up
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These people are doing right here. Alder we know right
now is it is who airplane struck the two large
towers of the World Trade Center. We spoke to the
White House there also, apparently with an attack on the Pentagon.
We asked that the airspace around the city of New
York would be sealed by military aircraft. We've ben a
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fund that it has and we've seen the military air
the air So we're hopeful that right now things are
secure and we need one of the open space we
can get to evacuate people, to get to people, and
we're gonna have gone down all old Norse. That was
then Mayor Rudy Giuliani speaking reporters on nine eleven, two
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thousand and one. We have the twentieth anniversary of it tomorrow.
You can you can hear in the background there just
some of the commotion military fighter jets and everything that
was going on that day. Laremont hadn't Clay was in
law school. I was in undergrad at the time, and
we just thought we'd we'd share with you some of
our recollections from that day. I told you that I
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heard about it when to class came back and I
saw the first I'm sorry, I saw what had happened
with the first plane, and then to my memory, I
was watching live as the second plane hit, and I
remember saying, at least this is what I remember from
twenty years ago. Now, oh my god, we're going to war.
Because at that point it was so clear that it
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was an attack, and it was you know, we didn't
know at that moment necessarily who it was, but we
knew that we were under under attack. That was clear.
And then Clay I was up at this It was
a I remember before the day's events, before the actual
attack happened, people were commenting on what a what a
peaceful day it had been in New York City, and
it felt like that up in central Massachusetts until this
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happened as well. It was one of those almost impossibly
in terms of the weather, beautiful mornings and then disrupted
by the most heinous kind of act imaginable, and we
were wandering around campus and we just had no real
idea what was going on. I remember the presiduntil the
college called me because I had an uncle through marriage.
My mother's sister's husband worked for aon corporation and was
(21:18):
very high up in one of the towers. He happened
to be late to work that day. He lost most
so my uncle survived, though initially we did not think
he did, And then we just started to think about
all the other people we knew we were in the buildings.
Canter Fitzgerald a on so many different companies that are
recruited from New York City. And I'll just share this
with you, and I want to hear what you remember
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from that day they gathered. It was the only all
school gathering that I can remember happening when I was
in four years of undergrad college and we were all
still wandering, just kind of wandering around in a day's
I mean, we were undergrads and didn't really know what
was going on, and a professor stood up and I
will never forget this because it was formative for my
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view of the battles inside this country as well as outside.
A professor stood up and said, on the day when
people are still finding out that they have relatives in
the relatives that are buried at nine to eleven, this
is what happens when you make people angry with your
foreign policy. That was what a professor at my school
said at an all school assembly. There was a flag
(22:24):
burning on my campus about two or three weeks after
nine to eleven, in response to the surge of patriotism
that made people from you know, the various left wing
communities uncomfortable with the surge of imperialism and the death
of you know of people abroad that would occur, I mean, Clay.
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This is when I realized the left is actually insane,
and there are elements of the left that truly wants
to bring down the country and root against the country.
That's wild. I didn't experience anything like that. Now. I
was in America's heartland as we speak. I was in
law school. I was into my torts class and we
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went in and again it's it's a different world for
younger people out there. The cell phone networks went down, right,
which is the only real time that I can ever
remember the cell phone networks going down and people didn't
text yet, right, So you had a cell phone in
O one, but you would still call and you couldn't
make a call, right, Like, basically all cell phone networks
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were down for much of the country. I was using
instant messenger to check in with family. I remember that. Yeah.
And so we were in class and we came out
of class and the second building had been struck, and
I stood in the four year of Vanderbilt University of
Law School with all the students there. They had televisions on,
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which was rare, and we watched the towers collapse. And
the only thing that I remember from a person in
position of authority was in retrospect, this certainly would not
happen now. But the dean of the law school came
out and he said, we're not canceling any classes because
terrorists want to disrupt our normal activities, and so everybody's
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just going to continue to go to class for the
rest of the day. So they didn't. I mean, nowadays,
you know, you'd probably shut down for a week, right,
And in retrospect that kind of stiff upper lip. I
remember sitting in class right after that, watching the towers
come down, and I was in a legal writing and
research class. I remember thinking like, how in the world
are we ask questions? And you know, study the law
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right now where the entire world has changed in an
instant with what was going on there, But we had
class and the only real change and I maybe misremembering
it afterwards, but I don't think I am. Some people
had family and friends, certainly who were in the Towers,
and usually in law school they will at least then
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the classes run on the Socratic method, so you don't
know when you're gonna get called on, and you just
get grilled on whatever legal case that you were supposed
to be studying at that point in time. For several weeks,
they did away with the Socratic method. They didn't want
to call on someone who might be dealing grieving with
nine to eleven related issues. And remember I was in
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DC so one for college. So one of my first
thoughts was the Pentagon being hit, right, because I had
just left DC like a couple of weeks before to
go back and start law school. So I still had
a ton of friends in DC who were panicked, and
you know, could see the flames from the Pentagon from
the rooftop near George Washington University where I had gone,
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and obviously the brave people with in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.
But the fear was that there was going to be
a plane go into the Capitol and also go into
the White House. And so it was absolutely it wasn't
even just I mean, that was what was going to happen.
I believe it was Todd Beamer who led that charge
behind the food service cart on that flight that went
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down in the in the field of Checksville, Pennsylvania, which
gets forgotten about by a lot of people, but is
an amazing hero. The fine three right ninety three, which
there was that plane was going to be. That plane
was heading right for the Capitol or the White House.
I mean, it could have been either, but the Capital
they believe was the target. And it's it's amazing in retrospect,
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quite honestly, Clay of that they were able to stop
that from happening, no doubt. And al Qaeda when you
when we think about how easy it was for them
to hijack all those planes and how just from a
security perspective, we were just sleepwalking. I mean as a
country which we weren't ready for it at all, as
horrific as it was. I know a lot of people
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that analyze security and you know the possibilities of this.
They could have seized twenty planes. That would not have
been that difficult for them to do. So, Yeah, and
obviously we have a very different feeling now. I mean,
it's been the case I think for a long time
that if anyone hijacks the plane, now they know that
they're gonna have everybody. The assumption is it used to
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be because of the old terrorism, the plane might land somewhere,
there'd be negotiations, and that's what had happened to some
of these uh, these uh you know, Islamist liberation groups
and other terrorist entities. Now we all know, I mean,
it changed our thinking dramatically, and now we all know
that if it comes down to it, you have to
willing to storm the cockpit. Everybody, every man and woman
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on that plane, has to be willing to storm the cockpit.
It's kind of a thing for life, I think now
in the world that we live in, that's what we face.
If any of you have reflections you want to share,
We're also going to get a police do call. We're
also going to get back into the mandates madness that
Joe Biden has subjected the American people too now with
the vaccine stuff that came down last night. Eight hundred
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Sexton show. It is open on Friday. We said we
would take calls eight hundred two A two to eight
A two. Let's get too. We have rubin in too
laure California. Is that right? Yeah, buddy, there we go.
What's up? Well? I was talking to you are their
helper there? And Uh, I told him I was in
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New England when that happened, and there was a television.
I was making a delivery. I'm a truck driver and
I got out there in night to that office and
we're watching it on a television and it was sad. Me.
It was really sad, and like they shut down the highway.
It said to wait about a day and a half
of them reopen it. Get across, go to California. I
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stopped in Iowa forty nine and uh there was a
guy there at the truck stop and he gave me
a flag. It was sad. It was a somber day.
Everybody's still in shock. And he told me put this
flag up on your outside of your truck. So I'm
sure man. They said, they said thank you, and I
went across, went back to California, and uh, I got
some ways and some smiles and kind of I guess
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it kind of helped a little bit, you know, maybe,
but it was a little bit of something. But you
know what, I'm going to stop at a hardware store
and I'm gonna put that flag on, even though it's
a different time, different day, but I'm gonna do that.
Thank you for the call, Thank you for the call.
Route he wants a number of people, by the way,
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Buck who were on airplanes, you know, that got scrambled
and relocated and had to spend days. Uh, you know,
they took a lot of them in I think up
in basically New Newfoundland. And I'm probably mispronouncing that, I think.
But the Come from Away, you know, the play that
they did on Broadway that is based on that. They
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brought all these people who were in the air because
they didn't know which airplanes might be to sell with
box putter, I could have seized control of an another
plane in the air and done the same. We had
no we had no idea how many of these no idea. Yeah,
I was telling so I remember my parents talking to
them on the phone. I think was the night of
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so the night you know, after the first night after
the planes hit in the morning, and they were just
telling me that those f fifteens. Man, if you were
living in New York City, you were just hearing fifteens
roaring around the sky ready in case there. You know,
there were this concern that there would be another hijack plane.
I mean they were ready to shride down or at
least that was that was the idea that they shoot
down a plane if it came. Jennifer in Columbia, South Carolina.
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She might have some interesting insight here in the whole
Post Office vax mandate debate. Jennifer, thanks so much. Hey, buzz,
how are y'all doing? We're great, Thank you. Well, I
just wanted to call because I'm a world carrier and
I'm work in a smaller office and we have certainly
worked through COVID for the past year and a half
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and we are working at level three times and what
we're used to, and everybody's tired and worn out, but
still trying to get through it. But I know that
there are some people in my office that would quit
the job rather than get vaccinated. And we are already
short staff. We're down routes. You know, every day, there's
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other offices that are down multiple routes today because of
the short staff, trying to hire like everybody else, but
nobody wants to work or applying like you would think
that they would. And I think that if the people,
even if it's just a few people that don't want
to be vaccinated, that leads a postal service, they're really
going to be struggling, especially going into the holiday season. Jennifer,
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can you just do you know or can you give
us a little insight into whether or not the post
off because there was this report that the six hundred
thousand employees of the Postal Service, I think that's what
the number that I saw. That seems huge, but that
they are not going to be covered by this, well,
we have been We have been told when he came
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out before and set federal employees were going to have
you mandated that we were exempts. We heard it this time,
but then there was some Backdolan saying, well, you may
have be tested once a week if you're not going
to be vaccinated, and that might be at employee's extent. Wow,
it is about a half a million. It's a I
see here. This is four hundred and sixty nine thousand
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USPS career employees one hundred and thirty six thousand nonk
er so it is. It's a huge number. Clad in
Rose was that big? Yeah, and I think her call
is a good one. That as we get ready for
the holiday season, if there are a decent percentage of
employees that would refuse this, arguably our ability to deliver
packages would collapse. That's basically what you're saying. Thanks for
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calling us, right, but based on your understanding, that's the
reason why there could be a difference of treatment there.
That's correct, that's correct. Yeah, if the postal service collapses
under Biden's watch, it's a bad look. I think I
have a bad I think that's fair to say. Jennifer,
thank you for what you do. Thanks for calling, and
we appreciate it. Patty in Fort Wayne, Indian a place
I've actually spent some time in recent years. Patty, what's up, Hey, guys,
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thanks for carrying on Russia's legacy. She'll appreciate you. Thank you,
thank you. I wanted to make a couple of comments.
First of all, to all of these people calling in
who are planning to resign from their jobs, I have
a word of advice. But then also I'd like to
just mention something about my bewilderment over Biden's apparent visceral
hatred for unvaccinated citizens. So, first of all, to these
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employees who say they're going to resign, I would just
encourage them not to resign. Please make your employer fire you,
because at that point you will have some legal recourse,
you'll be able to draw unemployment, you'll have Cobra health
insurance options. But mostly for a lot of these companies,
they may be represented by a union, and it will
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be interesting to see what their union representatives will do
to protect It's a good point. This is a fantastic point, Patty.
Well done. It is a challenge, and we're going to
continue to talk about this, the vaccine mandate that came
out from Joe Biden. When we come back at the
top of the third hour, we're going to dive back
into this story from a legal political perspective and discuss it.
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Final hour of the week, Buck so much to get into. Yeah,
plus the Los Angeles County mandate for kids twelve thirteen,
fourteen year old kids. Now they're gonna say get the
vacs or you don't get educated. What's that gonna mean?
That sounds like it might have a disproportioned impact on
low income communities. They care about that. We'll talk about it.
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