September 15, 2021 • 36 mins
California recall election recap: look out Kamala, here comes Gavin Newsom. Have you seen the movie Weekend at Bernie's? Did you know there's a sequel? Liberals circle the wagons to protect the treasonous General Milley. Trump: Milley backchanneling with China Is ‘treason.’ Pentagon spins Gen. Milley's alleged treachery as "a perfect phone call."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Chery. This is Buck here with my man Clay,
and we are going to make sense of everything for
you today. We've got the immediate leaping to the defense
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of the chairmer that Joint chiefs of Staff General Millie
by all kinds of pundits and commentators, it's not treason
if it's against Trump. You see, that's actually the rule.
I don't know if you know this, but this is
the special rule that exists for anything done to Donald Trump,
pass president or future. There are different rules. Will explain
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why that's insane, but unfortunately that is the reality that
we face. Plus, Nicki Minaje has some vaccine questions, gets
a lot of attention from the left for this. They're
very upset with her over this, just like they're upset
apparently with John Stewart, the former Daily Show comedian, and
because he said, yeah, the lab Leau hypothesis, it turns
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out you're not allowed to break from the team on
that either. But first we have to make some sense
of the situation here in California, where probably I mean
where a Republican Larry Elder is not, in fact, unfortunately
going to be the next governor. Governor Gavin Newsom, the
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oleaginist Democrat of the state of California, used sat word.
I think what percentage of our audiences knows that word?
A lot. Everybody knows olyaginist. It's a great word. The
pointier being mister Clay that he is an oily used
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car salesman individual who somehow actually not surprising, with millions
and millions of dollars raised and spent, with the entire
Democratic power apparatus behind him, deploying Joe Biden, deploy Barack Obama,
the fact that California is turning into increasingly an unlivable
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hellscape in the major cities. There is crime, there is vagrancy,
there is a there are brownouts, there are wildfires, there
are all these, all levels of government mismanaged. But if
you tell your base, if you tell registered Democrats this
day of California, Trump is um or Trump himself in
some manifestation is on the ballot, you get a replay,
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which is what it looks like we have of the
twenty twenty election in the state of California. What do
you see from the data. So we haven't seen the
full numbers that are out right. The numbers that I'm
looking at about seventy percent are in but it looks
almost identical to what happened in the twenty twenty presidential election,
which would suggest that nothing has really changed in California
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and that people are still substantially wedded to whatever belief
they have in twenty twenty. It hasn't changed as we
move into twenty twenty one. What I would say in
general is California, to me, is a sign of what
happens when you believe that your side is always right.
And I understand that we're in a tribal era and
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everybody just automatically it doesn't matter what the situation is.
We'll talk about this. I'm certainly certain with general Millie.
What I try to do is apply consistent logic to stories,
and that doesn't happen very much, right And that's why
I think Republicans right now do a better job of
applying logic to stories and moving on reason as opposed
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to emotion. But they were able to tug on those
emotional heart strings of Donald Trumps as the boogeyman that's
always underneath the bed for Democrats, that they are able
to turn him into a way to get people, a
motivator to get people out to vote. What's challenging, I
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think in general is, and this is what we've talked
about a lot on this show, buck, how do you breakthrough?
And what does a breakthrough look like? And maybe the
answer is going to be twenty twenty two is going
to be a lot like twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty. And we're basically just in such of
a fifty fifty America that it's almost impossible for somebody
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to get to fifty five forty five, right, God forbid
sixty forty. And so that's what I keep waiting for
is when logic and truth and sanity is going to
break out and we're going to have such a win
that one of the political parties has to go look
at itself in the mirror and say, okay, it's time
to adjust. Let me explain what I mean by that.
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Defeat is oftentimes clarifying, Right, anybody who's ever played a sport,
if you put out your best game plan and you
get your ass kicked, it's maybe a sign that your
best game plan wasn't the right one, and so Democrats
game plan is everything is racist right now. That's their
entire game plan. That's what they ran on in twenty sixteen,
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that's what they doubled down on in twenty twenty. It's
identity politics, it's canceled culture. It's that world that they
have created, and so far they haven't gotten their teeth
kicked in in an election where they've had to say, hey,
you know what, this is not a message that resonates
in America and similarly the Republic that sorry, they're going
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in the opposite direction now right they're saying that this
actually proves everything that Gavin Nusom did was correct, that
everything that Gavin Lussom has instituted, from the COVID vaccines
and from everything that's happening, this was actually instead of
a moment here where we say, wow, look at Californians
finally and some level, this is what you were alluding
to early in the week. If the numbers were quite
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different from what they're looking to be, Wow, they actually
can pay attention to results and not just ideological political tribalism.
What we actually have here is no they'll forget about
the hypocrisy of newsommit French laundry. They'll decide that the
brownouts and the vagrancy and the broad daylight shoplifting without
a care in the world in San Francisco and Los Angeles,
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that doesn't matter as much as Orange Man bad, even
though Orange Man in this case, Trump of course isn't
on the ballot, isn't an office, and has nothing to
do with any of this. But they can just get
the base motivated to turn out in very similar numbers
by percentage of what we saw in twenty twenty. That's
exactly what I was gonna say in many ways, is
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that the Democrats are going to argue Trump is m
lost again. The Republican Party, as long as it stays
committed to Donald Trump, is impossible of winning on a
major level. And both sides, I think, are able to
look at the result of twenty twenty and argue, hey,
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if we just tweaked things a little bit more, we
would have won by a substantial margin. And so you're
you're you're basically setting up and we'll see what happens
in twenty twenty two, where there's a large expectation that
so many people are so dug in to use your
Magino line theory, right, basically, yeah, we just basically have
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both sides in their in their redoubts, set up in
their in their bunks. There was no real ground game
here against liberalism in California. And now, of course the narrative,
and we have here Gavin Newsom saying what his I mean,
look this guy, Gavin Newsom, I almost he's so shameless
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that there's almost a level of respect. Right. This is
the guy that you know would would buy the car
off of you for half which you paid it and
then try to sell it back to you for twice.
I mean, he's just it doesn't matter, right, He'll see
you whatever. Whatever. A great way to describe he here
he is talking about how well his his assessment of
what went on here. No, is not the only thing
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that was expressed tonight. I want to focus on what
we said yes to as a state. We said yes
to science. We said yes to vaccines, we said yes
to ending this pandemic. We said yes to people's right
to vote without fear of fake fraud or voter suppression.
We said yes to women's fundamental constitutional right to decide
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for herself. What she does with her body, her fate
and future. We said yes to diversity, We said yes
to inclusion, we said yes to pluralism. We said yes
to all those things that we hold dear as Californians.
And I would argue as Americans, who says no to science,
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by the way, this is these are the strong man
making us wear masks, the people who are insisting that
you can't have natural immunity. I mean there's a large
amount of science that Democrats are saying no to. I
would argue, but that sounds to me buck. If I'm
Kamala Harris, my antenna are going up, that doesn't sound
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like a hey, I want a recall election. That sounds
like a hey, this is why I need to be
the president of the United States, right because we've talked
about what is going to happen unless they try to.
Because this is another to love the comeback story. Man,
whether it's Cuomo or now Newsom, you think they can
just distance I just think that when we look at
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twenty twenty four, I don't think that they can drag.
I keep using it because I think it's an accurate,
uh you know, sort of how many how many of
our audience have seen Weekend at Bertie's, but I hope
everyone gets the reference. For those of your wanting movie,
it is like the most absurd movie of all time.
There's a guy there's like some some finance bros in
the eighties who go, what is it they want to
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go to? Like a guy's hooked up the Wikipedia for
Weekend that bad give a perfect plot synopsis for people
out there who haven't seen it. Basically, a dead man
is really has an amazing house, and I think he's
like the uncle of these of these guys, and in
order to be able to have the lifestyle that they want,
they take the dead body around and pretend that Bernie
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is still a lot. It's one of the most absurd
movies ever made. Actually, what do you think about it?
And then as absurd as Weekend Bernie's one was, they
made Weekend to Bernie's two. I was unaware of that.
Oh yeah, we get that. Bernie's two came out and
that is where so Biden getting elected is the Democrat
version of Weekend at Bernie's, Right, Like they had to
just drag him around. They got him across the finished line.
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Now they're gonna try Weekend at Bernie's too. I don't
even think that's gonna work. So there's going to be
somebody who runs, right, and we know this that's different,
I think than Joe Biden. Very likely, And so Kamala
Harris is going to be the presumptive favorite because it's
racist and sexist if she's not the nomination based on
the Democratic platform. Right now, but when I hear that
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Gavin K. Newsome argument, it doesn't sound like an argument
about the recall. It's a forward thinking argument for the
validation of all of his policies in California, writ large
and Marla wondering if he's going to try to run
Now he also becomes unfortunately, there's a little bit of
a of a snap back here, if you will, because
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the right can't you know, you remember remember in the wire, right,
you come at the King, you must do best not
miss right. Yes, we came at Newsom here, the Republicans
did and others in ken California, and they missed. And
so now what ends up happening politically speaking, of course,
Now what ends up happening Clay is he says and
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turns around and says, I am actually the one who
stood athwart the anti science Republican efforts to tear down
the Fauciite edifice that we need to build. I'm the
one that people need to rally around. He is going
to position himself now as the left's roun de santis.
Watch it happen, because that's them right then. You know
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you're talking about you know who knows what's gonna happen
in for you, everyone who knows where we're gonna be
twenty three four, But for right now, think of all
the political capital he can gather by becoming the leader
of the Democrat governors during the pandemic. Now and say
I even withstood not just a pandemic, but those underhanded
Trumpist attempts to take me out of office when I
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was saving I mean, like I could write the pr
bullcrap yeah that they're gonna be putting out there. I
don't want to talk. And there's there's no Quomo now
to try to take away the attention like he is
this standard bearer for the left wing response to COVID.
Come back into some moor on this and also the
general Millie stuff. I mean, we called it yesterday, We
absolutely nailed it here on the show people we're Clay
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and are saying, well, this looks like treason. And the
first thing I say is, well, the left is gonna
say that he's actually a hero. They're gonna go in
the opposite direction, no doubt with General Millie. We'll get
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dot com slash Clay. Welcome back at Clay, Travis Buck
Sexton Show. Appreciate you hanging out with us on a
great Wednesday as we roll through halfway through the month
of September. Now, I guess at this point and the
Gavin Knewsome recall election attempt failed, and you knew what
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was going to happen when it fails, and we were
just talking about this. Gavin Newsom then makes a play
to become the standard bearer of his part, especially in
the wake now of Cuomo being off the stage. Gavin
Newsom didn't just say that he was avoiding being recalled.
He also used it as an opportunity to attack Donald Trump.
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And the big lie here is Gavin Newsom. Democracy is
not a football. You don't throw it around. It's more
like a I don't know, antique vase. You can drop
it and smash it a million different pieces. And that's
what we're capable of doing if we don't stand up
to meet the moment and push back. I said this
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many many times on the campaign trail. You know, we
may have defeated Trump, but Trump is um is not
dead in this country. The big lie January sixth insurrection,
all the voting suppression efforts that are happening all across
this country, what's happening in the assaulting fundamental rights constitutionally
protected rights of women and girls. It's a remarkable moment
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in our nation's history. That is Gavin Newsom, look out,
Kamala Harris. He's coming for your spot as the presumptive nominee.
Would he have the gumption to challenge her after she
is also obviously a California and spend a lot of
time campaigning for him. Do you think he'd do it? Buck,
You'd have to say who who would the Democrat apparatus
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go for? Who would they rather have? I think there's
a very clear recognition. Even and I'm talking about the
Democrats that I know, and I look at Democrat friends
people in our business that are on the left, and
I'll talk to them from time and time. I think
they know that. Originally they believe Kamala Harris would if
put in this show. Okay, she couldn't get people to
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vote for her, but if you put her in the
vice president role, it's an easy job. And I think
there's some real remorse, if you will, from those who
made that, from the Biden campaign, the handlers around him
that put her in that position. I look Gavin Newsom,
as much as it paids me to say this, there's
a more talent to politician than Kamala Harris is. I
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think that's quite clear. I think he's a savvier guy,
and so I gotta feel like they'd go Remember they
jumped over Biden to give it to Hillary. You know,
Biden was the VP for eight years, so there's precedent here.
The difference is and I think it's a fascinating discussion
because the difference is the Democratic Party has leaned in
even more to race and sex identity. So the president
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is right, I mean, the oldest white guy on the planet, basically, Like,
that's who actually the president is, and that's who Democrats
actually supported. They didn't like Kamala Harris. But I do
think that that speech that we played a couple of
clips from for you, for Gavin Newsom is what his
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is actually true, which is hard to believe, that's treason,
and I wouldn't think I've had so many he calls
today saying that's treason. You heard a lot of anger
about China and trade, and we made a great trade.
Did you heard a lot of anger in China with
the China virus. But for him to say that I
would even think about attacking China, I think he's trying
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to just get out of his incompetent withdrawal out of Afghanistan.
The worst, the dumbest thing that anybody's seen, probably the
most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to our country. Once again,
Trump cuts right to the heart of the matter. Welcome
back to Clay and Buck show. This is Buck. That
was Trump and Clay. Here's just for everyone. This is
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a quick quick review here right, This is from Reuters.
The top us general secretly called his Chinese counterparts twice
over concerns then President Donald Trump could spark a war
with China as his potential election loss loomed. And in
its aftermath, that was Washington Post initial reporting. By the way,
part of the whole, part of the whole system, the
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machine chenery of Woodward book promotion at hard at work
here right, the Washington Park comes out with the story
he's got a bowed down at him. They know how
to do that, right. But it also does seem to
have been somewhat at least early corroboration, and it certainly
seems plausible. But before Clay we get into it. Well,
our initial reaction yesterday I remember I said this to you, was, Oh,
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they're going to say that he's a hero for doing
this right there, the same way that the people that
were trying to pretend Trump was crazy, so he should
be removed from the twenty fifth Amendment, which is an
abuse of the twenty fifth Amendment. Clearly the president was
of sound mind, but it wouldn't have mattered because they
wanted him gone. They're already trying to normalize this backchannel communication.
But what Trump said there, Clay, I think is the
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single most important aspect of all of this. The notion
that Donald Trump was going to start a war with
China is as insane as the notion that Donald Trump
worked with Vladimir Putin and the Fremlin to steal the
twenty sixteen election. But Libs, because of trump dearrangement syndrome,
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will believe anything about this guy. Yeah, and look, I
just want to focus on so I think if he
did this in the way that it was reported, I
do think it's treason, okay, And I want to focus
on a couple of angles here that we started to
talk about yesterday. But I think our significant and you
know this, Buck, as somebody who worked in intelligence. If
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you have the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs reaching out
to his Chinese counterparts to let them know that he
won't be executing orders on behalf of President Trump if
he disagrees with them. Basically, that is such a fundamental
fracturing of the American political process that it could have
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emboldened China to potentially invade Taiwan. Right, Millie thought, if
you buy his version of the truth that is being
told in the Woodward book, that he was actually making
the world safer, Chinese people who are advising Chairman Z
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could have gone to him and said, the United States
politically is so fractured right now, the military will not
support Donald Trump. Now is the time, if ever, for
US to invade Taiwan. I don't believe the US will
be able to respond militarily. So Buck, you know how
this stuff works from an intelligence fashion. If you knew
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that the top military official or one of them, was
contacting through back channels one of our American officials and saying, hey,
I'm not going to follow the orders of the commander
in chief. Would that not embolden you in some way
for the incompetence that you were seeing on the other side. Absolutely,
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I mean it's a very very astute framing of the issue, Clay.
I would also add a comparison, which is really just
what you're doing, but I would add a specific comparison
of Remember during the transition with General Flynn, incoming National
Security Advisor, we were told that it was a huge problem,
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a violation of the Logan Act for the incoming National
Security Advisor to have a conversation with his Russian counterpart,
Ambassador Sarage Kiselak of the Russian Russian Ambassy in the US,
and all he said, I mean we actually we've all
seen the transcript. By the way, no one ever went
to prison for that leak of classified information to the
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Washington Post. I might add somehow they always get away
with this stuff when it goes against Trump people. But
that showed us that all he said was don't overreact.
There's a new you know we're coming in. Let's com
thigs down a little bit. And Clay, they wanted to.
They pretended that they could actually get Bass I mean
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General Flynn on a Logan Act violation, a criminal violation
for that, and that he was a trader. People called
General Flynn, who served the military for thirty years, a
trader for that. He didn't do anything. He wasn't betraying
the commander in chief. He was working on behalf of
the incoming commander in chief. And that led to criminal
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investigation that led to Flynn's resignation. They tortured Flynn in
the courts for years over this. Do you think they're
gonna do that to General Millie. I don't think so,
of course not. And that leads to my second part,
which I want to hit when we come back into
the final part of the first hour. Here Democrats are
defending Millie, and as we get ready to go to
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this break, I just want you to think about this.
And this is where I say precedent matters. I don't
think Joe Biden is doing a good job as president.
I don't think that anybody out that's got some bold statement,
bold statement. Quinnipac came out with their poll at some
point today a show. I'll read you some of the findings.
Joe Biden's approval rating has fallen to forty two percent
in the most recent poll from Quinnipac qu Quinipae announced
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that up and you say it. There you go, they
do a regular poll. Okay, so we're going to talk
about that. But I just want you to think about
this as we go to break. Even as much as
we all agree Joe Biden is doing an awful job,
how wrong would it be for a top military official
to call China through back channels and say, I just
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want you to know Biden is in such poor mental
state that no military official in the United States is
going to listen to anything he tells us to do.
Can I can? I also say, Clay that even if
and the whole way they're defending Milly on this, I mean,
to the point you're raising, even if Millie had the
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purest of intentions in doing this by not which which
I do not agree with, I think he's insane. I
think the notion of a war with China is crazy.
But he would do this in a way that would
undermine the actual sitting commander in chief presents And this
is what you're saying with time, it presents an opportunity.
Maybe the Chinese counterpart goes well. If they're having this
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fight up the election, they're that worried about this, whether
we forget about Taiwan or anything else for a second,
although that's obviously something that would be a concern too.
Maybe we add fueled with a fire in America. The
Chinese have all kinds of cyber operations, all kinds of
things they could do. Makes us even more vulnerable. You don't.
It's kind of like, you know, we're a big American family, right,
and a lot of people I know, I believe in
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this rule. There's stuff you say within the family, but
outside you're a united front, right, We're supposed to be
a united front, especially against our biggest global rival and
the only real military threat we face. And General Millie
thought that this was a good idea. I mean, this guy, look,
that's the same reason we say he's terrible decision making
and judgment when it comes to you know, white fragility
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on the reading list for military officers. Yeah, well, and
given up Bogram Air Force Base, the disaster in Afghanistan.
But again, I just want you to think, and we're
going to talk about this when we come back. Democrats
are defending Millie, but I just want you to think
about the institution of the American presidency and the importance
that we have a commander in chief who is a civilian,
and that the civilian gets to direct the military. And
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when the military is saying, regardless of who the commander
in chief is, that they're not going to follow the
lead of the commander in chief, the democratically elected president
of the United States, regardless of your political leanings. This
is treasonous behavior laced with espionage. And I want to
talk about that when we come back, because it's in
the context of what Democrats are saying right now. But
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because we're going to continue to talk about this general
Millie mess. And one of the things that bothers me
(29:03):
in general is when, no matter what the facts are,
your natural inclination is to act as if you are
the defense attorney for a particular political party. And MSNBC,
I think does this on an unbelievable level. And I'm
gonna unpack this a little bit more at the start
(29:24):
of the second hour for why you should be concerned
about the actions undertaken by General Millie, no matter whether
you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent, because they go right
to the heart of the constitutional responsibilities of the military
in our republic. But Buck, they've already come out with
a statement the Pentagon has basically saying that he didn't
do anything right where you go, this is from the
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mucus Tomlinson over at Fox News from the Pentagon. General
Milly regularly communicates with foreign counterparts, including China and Russia.
These conversations remain vital to US national security interests, reducing tensions,
providing clarity, and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict. His calls
with the Chinese and others in October and January were
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in keeping with these duties and responsibilities, conveying reassurance in
order to maintain strategic stability. All calls from the Chairman
to his counterparts, including those reported, are staff coordinated and
communicated with the Department of Defense and the Interagency Clay.
You could say they are calling this a perfectly fine
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phone call. That's exactly what they're doing. But the way
that it's been conveyed to Bob Woodward, at least through
his book, is certainly not the way the Pentagon just
tried to spend this. And what I would say is
it's not a surprise because we told you yesterday when
this story broke. And again I think you have to
give credit to Bob Woodward and the masterful ability he
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has as books come out to distribute newsworthy tidbits to
the different news organism so they end up being discussed.
But Joy Read on MSNBC immediately came out and said,
we're about to play for you. But before you listen
to this, I want you to just think if General
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Millie had gotten on the phone with China and he
had said, Joe Biden, his mental faculties have declined to
such an extent that we are not in the military
ever going to follow his orders. We have made a pact.
We want to let you know that if he decides
that he wants to attack China, we're never going to
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do it. Would Joy Reid be saying what she did
last night. Listen, Senator Cruz and others suggesting that's almost
traitorous behavior from Milliates talk to the Chinese like that,
and in fact Senarubio called for Joe Biden to fire him. Yeah, okay,
good love of that, because he seems to be the
greatest patriot that was on duty during the previous administration.
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This is General Millie again, who I have to say
is emerging as a pretty important and heroic American figure
in this era. Millie reportedly told his counterpart, this may
look unsteady, but that's the nature of democracy. And this
is him talking with Chinese General Lee. General Lee, he says,
we are one steady, everything's fine, but democracy can be
sloppy sometimes. That might be the understatement of the year.
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He said, if we're going to attack you, I'll let
you know. Fun I'll give your heads up, as if
war with China was imminent because Trump was saying that
there were some uncounted ballots in Georgia or double counted
ballots in Pennsylvania or whatever. Clay, this is lunacy, but
it also falls right into the pattern. I remember the
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anonymous op ed writer, and then we found out who
the guy was, and every person I was in that
White House. Sometimes I knew lots of people the administration
and spoke the president a bunch of times. Every person
was like, what who is this guy? But remember his
whole thesis was I have to stop President Trump, the
anonymous op ed writer, from doing what he wants to do,
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because that's how much I love the country. And you
had Democrats all over saying, oh, isn't this great? And
this was true within the federal bureaucracy, two people that
were trying to thwart him. This is madness. I just
want to say again, he told the Chinese that if
we were going to attack them, he would give them
a heads up. Buck. Imagine again, imagine the analogy that
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I used yesterday. If we had gotten a phone call
or a secret telegram back in the nineteen forties from
a top Japanese military official letting them know, hey, on
December seventh, nineteen forty one, instead of the day that
lives in infamy, we're gonna let you know so that
your entire Pearl Harbor fleet is ready mobilized and prepared.
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This won't be a surprise attack on your Pacific fleet. Instead,
we'll be sending our Japanese troops into an ab salute
Hornet's nest where everybody is prepared and they can wipe
us out. That would be espionage. That would be treason,
even looking at it from the Japan to America perspective,
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if you want to stick at the World War two,
imagine that somebody had called the Nazis and said, hey,
you know how we're fainting like we're gonna come across
at at all these different locations and it's super top
secret where we're exactly gonna land on D Day while
we're coming into Normandy, just so you know we're coming
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into Normandy. That's treason. That would be actual of an
actual military action. This is crazy because he's promising the
advanced knowledge of something that no saying human being actually
thought was going to happen, and yet they just skip
over that part of it, like, oh, I mean, at
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any moment, Clay, they said we were going to start
a war with North Korea, they said we were going
to start a war with thilling them black with they
ran after so many well because of the Solimani, so
many times Trump was gonna start a war and yet
four years no war started. Pretty interesting when you look
at it that way, Huh, But not even just wants us.
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We were about to invade Beijing. They needed they need
to go fauci themselves. World War three. It wasn't just
where we were going to start a war. It was
World War three. It was gonna be a cataclysmic struggle.
And again I would just say, think about him. We're
gonna talk about this at the top of the second
hour because I think it's such a significant story here.
Think about what the reaction would be if General Millie
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was doing this to Joe Biden. Would Joy Reid be
going on MSNBC and saying he's a he's a patriot,
he's a hero, he's creating They're gonna she's like the
most laughably dishonest commentator on television. There's a few that
we could put, but there are other people that are
supposed to be serious, Clay supposed to be serious, who
are entirely un serious on this issue. And what I
(36:01):
just want to do is I want to apply the
same precedence and I want to talk about why this
is treason, its behavior, why I think it is an espionage,
and why we certainly should be investigating what exactly went on,
what was said, and how it all happened and not
bragging in a bob Wood. We're both speaking of serious
and worthwhile people. Don't. We have a certain senator joining
us to talk about all the things, all of the things.
(36:22):
Senator Ran Paul will join us. We'll probably play him
some of that chicken pox versus COVID vaccine discussion we
had with doctor Mark McCary from Johns Hopkins just today.
A lot of good stuff still coming, and that's gonna
be the third hour, Senator ram Paul talking to us
about all things COVID and just what's going on in
the country. Clay's gonna bring us back in here a
second with is it not treason if it's against Trump?
Let's answer that question. You're listening to Clay Travis and
(36:48):
Buck Sexton fund the EIB Network.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Chery. This is Buck here with my man Clay,
and we are going to make sense of everything for
you today. We've got the immediate leaping to the defense
(00:20):
of the chairmer that Joint chiefs of Staff General Millie
by all kinds of pundits and commentators, it's not treason
if it's against Trump. You see, that's actually the rule.
I don't know if you know this, but this is
the special rule that exists for anything done to Donald Trump,
pass president or future. There are different rules. Will explain
(00:41):
why that's insane, but unfortunately that is the reality that
we face. Plus, Nicki Minaje has some vaccine questions, gets
a lot of attention from the left for this. They're
very upset with her over this, just like they're upset
apparently with John Stewart, the former Daily Show comedian, and
because he said, yeah, the lab Leau hypothesis, it turns
(01:03):
out you're not allowed to break from the team on
that either. But first we have to make some sense
of the situation here in California, where probably I mean
where a Republican Larry Elder is not, in fact, unfortunately
going to be the next governor. Governor Gavin Newsom, the
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oleaginist Democrat of the state of California, used sat word.
I think what percentage of our audiences knows that word?
A lot. Everybody knows olyaginist. It's a great word. The
pointier being mister Clay that he is an oily used
(01:45):
car salesman individual who somehow actually not surprising, with millions
and millions of dollars raised and spent, with the entire
Democratic power apparatus behind him, deploying Joe Biden, deploy Barack Obama,
the fact that California is turning into increasingly an unlivable
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hellscape in the major cities. There is crime, there is vagrancy,
there is a there are brownouts, there are wildfires, there
are all these, all levels of government mismanaged. But if
you tell your base, if you tell registered Democrats this
day of California, Trump is um or Trump himself in
some manifestation is on the ballot, you get a replay,
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which is what it looks like we have of the
twenty twenty election in the state of California. What do
you see from the data. So we haven't seen the
full numbers that are out right. The numbers that I'm
looking at about seventy percent are in but it looks
almost identical to what happened in the twenty twenty presidential election,
which would suggest that nothing has really changed in California
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and that people are still substantially wedded to whatever belief
they have in twenty twenty. It hasn't changed as we
move into twenty twenty one. What I would say in
general is California, to me, is a sign of what
happens when you believe that your side is always right.
And I understand that we're in a tribal era and
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everybody just automatically it doesn't matter what the situation is.
We'll talk about this. I'm certainly certain with general Millie.
What I try to do is apply consistent logic to stories,
and that doesn't happen very much, right And that's why
I think Republicans right now do a better job of
applying logic to stories and moving on reason as opposed
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to emotion. But they were able to tug on those
emotional heart strings of Donald Trumps as the boogeyman that's
always underneath the bed for Democrats, that they are able
to turn him into a way to get people, a
motivator to get people out to vote. What's challenging, I
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think in general is, and this is what we've talked
about a lot on this show, buck, how do you breakthrough?
And what does a breakthrough look like? And maybe the
answer is going to be twenty twenty two is going
to be a lot like twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen
and twenty twenty. And we're basically just in such of
a fifty fifty America that it's almost impossible for somebody
(04:25):
to get to fifty five forty five, right, God forbid
sixty forty. And so that's what I keep waiting for
is when logic and truth and sanity is going to
break out and we're going to have such a win
that one of the political parties has to go look
at itself in the mirror and say, okay, it's time
to adjust. Let me explain what I mean by that.
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Defeat is oftentimes clarifying, Right, anybody who's ever played a sport,
if you put out your best game plan and you
get your ass kicked, it's maybe a sign that your
best game plan wasn't the right one, and so Democrats
game plan is everything is racist right now. That's their
entire game plan. That's what they ran on in twenty sixteen,
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that's what they doubled down on in twenty twenty. It's
identity politics, it's canceled culture. It's that world that they
have created, and so far they haven't gotten their teeth
kicked in in an election where they've had to say, hey,
you know what, this is not a message that resonates
in America and similarly the Republic that sorry, they're going
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in the opposite direction now right they're saying that this
actually proves everything that Gavin Nusom did was correct, that
everything that Gavin Lussom has instituted, from the COVID vaccines
and from everything that's happening, this was actually instead of
a moment here where we say, wow, look at Californians
finally and some level, this is what you were alluding
to early in the week. If the numbers were quite
(05:53):
different from what they're looking to be, Wow, they actually
can pay attention to results and not just ideological political tribalism.
What we actually have here is no they'll forget about
the hypocrisy of newsommit French laundry. They'll decide that the
brownouts and the vagrancy and the broad daylight shoplifting without
a care in the world in San Francisco and Los Angeles,
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that doesn't matter as much as Orange Man bad, even
though Orange Man in this case, Trump of course isn't
on the ballot, isn't an office, and has nothing to
do with any of this. But they can just get
the base motivated to turn out in very similar numbers
by percentage of what we saw in twenty twenty. That's
exactly what I was gonna say in many ways, is
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that the Democrats are going to argue Trump is m
lost again. The Republican Party, as long as it stays
committed to Donald Trump, is impossible of winning on a
major level. And both sides, I think, are able to
look at the result of twenty twenty and argue, hey,
(06:59):
if we just tweaked things a little bit more, we
would have won by a substantial margin. And so you're
you're you're basically setting up and we'll see what happens
in twenty twenty two, where there's a large expectation that
so many people are so dug in to use your
Magino line theory, right, basically, yeah, we just basically have
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both sides in their in their redoubts, set up in
their in their bunks. There was no real ground game
here against liberalism in California. And now, of course the narrative,
and we have here Gavin Newsom saying what his I mean,
look this guy, Gavin Newsom, I almost he's so shameless
(07:40):
that there's almost a level of respect. Right. This is
the guy that you know would would buy the car
off of you for half which you paid it and
then try to sell it back to you for twice.
I mean, he's just it doesn't matter, right, He'll see
you whatever. Whatever. A great way to describe he here
he is talking about how well his his assessment of
what went on here. No, is not the only thing
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that was expressed tonight. I want to focus on what
we said yes to as a state. We said yes
to science. We said yes to vaccines, we said yes
to ending this pandemic. We said yes to people's right
to vote without fear of fake fraud or voter suppression.
We said yes to women's fundamental constitutional right to decide
(08:26):
for herself. What she does with her body, her fate
and future. We said yes to diversity, We said yes
to inclusion, we said yes to pluralism. We said yes
to all those things that we hold dear as Californians.
And I would argue as Americans, who says no to science,
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by the way, this is these are the strong man
making us wear masks, the people who are insisting that
you can't have natural immunity. I mean there's a large
amount of science that Democrats are saying no to. I
would argue, but that sounds to me buck. If I'm
Kamala Harris, my antenna are going up, that doesn't sound
(09:07):
like a hey, I want a recall election. That sounds
like a hey, this is why I need to be
the president of the United States, right because we've talked
about what is going to happen unless they try to.
Because this is another to love the comeback story. Man,
whether it's Cuomo or now Newsom, you think they can
just distance I just think that when we look at
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twenty twenty four, I don't think that they can drag.
I keep using it because I think it's an accurate,
uh you know, sort of how many how many of
our audience have seen Weekend at Bertie's, but I hope
everyone gets the reference. For those of your wanting movie,
it is like the most absurd movie of all time.
There's a guy there's like some some finance bros in
the eighties who go, what is it they want to
(09:50):
go to? Like a guy's hooked up the Wikipedia for
Weekend that bad give a perfect plot synopsis for people
out there who haven't seen it. Basically, a dead man
is really has an amazing house, and I think he's
like the uncle of these of these guys, and in
order to be able to have the lifestyle that they want,
they take the dead body around and pretend that Bernie
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is still a lot. It's one of the most absurd
movies ever made. Actually, what do you think about it?
And then as absurd as Weekend Bernie's one was, they
made Weekend to Bernie's two. I was unaware of that.
Oh yeah, we get that. Bernie's two came out and
that is where so Biden getting elected is the Democrat
version of Weekend at Bernie's, Right, Like they had to
just drag him around. They got him across the finished line.
(10:36):
Now they're gonna try Weekend at Bernie's too. I don't
even think that's gonna work. So there's going to be
somebody who runs, right, and we know this that's different,
I think than Joe Biden. Very likely, And so Kamala
Harris is going to be the presumptive favorite because it's
racist and sexist if she's not the nomination based on
the Democratic platform. Right now, but when I hear that
(10:57):
Gavin K. Newsome argument, it doesn't sound like an argument
about the recall. It's a forward thinking argument for the
validation of all of his policies in California, writ large
and Marla wondering if he's going to try to run
Now he also becomes unfortunately, there's a little bit of
a of a snap back here, if you will, because
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the right can't you know, you remember remember in the wire, right,
you come at the King, you must do best not
miss right. Yes, we came at Newsom here, the Republicans
did and others in ken California, and they missed. And
so now what ends up happening politically speaking, of course,
Now what ends up happening Clay is he says and
(11:38):
turns around and says, I am actually the one who
stood athwart the anti science Republican efforts to tear down
the Fauciite edifice that we need to build. I'm the
one that people need to rally around. He is going
to position himself now as the left's roun de santis.
Watch it happen, because that's them right then. You know
(12:02):
you're talking about you know who knows what's gonna happen
in for you, everyone who knows where we're gonna be
twenty three four, But for right now, think of all
the political capital he can gather by becoming the leader
of the Democrat governors during the pandemic. Now and say
I even withstood not just a pandemic, but those underhanded
Trumpist attempts to take me out of office when I
(12:22):
was saving I mean, like I could write the pr
bullcrap yeah that they're gonna be putting out there. I
don't want to talk. And there's there's no Quomo now
to try to take away the attention like he is
this standard bearer for the left wing response to COVID.
Come back into some moor on this and also the
general Millie stuff. I mean, we called it yesterday, We
absolutely nailed it here on the show people we're Clay
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and are saying, well, this looks like treason. And the
first thing I say is, well, the left is gonna
say that he's actually a hero. They're gonna go in
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Sexton Show. Appreciate you hanging out with us on a
great Wednesday as we roll through halfway through the month
of September. Now, I guess at this point and the
Gavin Knewsome recall election attempt failed, and you knew what
(14:50):
was going to happen when it fails, and we were
just talking about this. Gavin Newsom then makes a play
to become the standard bearer of his part, especially in
the wake now of Cuomo being off the stage. Gavin
Newsom didn't just say that he was avoiding being recalled.
He also used it as an opportunity to attack Donald Trump.
(15:14):
And the big lie here is Gavin Newsom. Democracy is
not a football. You don't throw it around. It's more
like a I don't know, antique vase. You can drop
it and smash it a million different pieces. And that's
what we're capable of doing if we don't stand up
to meet the moment and push back. I said this
(15:36):
many many times on the campaign trail. You know, we
may have defeated Trump, but Trump is um is not
dead in this country. The big lie January sixth insurrection,
all the voting suppression efforts that are happening all across
this country, what's happening in the assaulting fundamental rights constitutionally
protected rights of women and girls. It's a remarkable moment
(15:58):
in our nation's history. That is Gavin Newsom, look out,
Kamala Harris. He's coming for your spot as the presumptive nominee.
Would he have the gumption to challenge her after she
is also obviously a California and spend a lot of
time campaigning for him. Do you think he'd do it? Buck,
You'd have to say who who would the Democrat apparatus
(16:20):
go for? Who would they rather have? I think there's
a very clear recognition. Even and I'm talking about the
Democrats that I know, and I look at Democrat friends
people in our business that are on the left, and
I'll talk to them from time and time. I think
they know that. Originally they believe Kamala Harris would if
put in this show. Okay, she couldn't get people to
(16:41):
vote for her, but if you put her in the
vice president role, it's an easy job. And I think
there's some real remorse, if you will, from those who
made that, from the Biden campaign, the handlers around him
that put her in that position. I look Gavin Newsom,
as much as it paids me to say this, there's
a more talent to politician than Kamala Harris is. I
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think that's quite clear. I think he's a savvier guy,
and so I gotta feel like they'd go Remember they
jumped over Biden to give it to Hillary. You know,
Biden was the VP for eight years, so there's precedent here.
The difference is and I think it's a fascinating discussion
because the difference is the Democratic Party has leaned in
even more to race and sex identity. So the president
(17:27):
is right, I mean, the oldest white guy on the planet, basically, Like,
that's who actually the president is, and that's who Democrats
actually supported. They didn't like Kamala Harris. But I do
think that that speech that we played a couple of
clips from for you, for Gavin Newsom is what his
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is actually true, which is hard to believe, that's treason,
and I wouldn't think I've had so many he calls
today saying that's treason. You heard a lot of anger
about China and trade, and we made a great trade.
Did you heard a lot of anger in China with
the China virus. But for him to say that I
would even think about attacking China, I think he's trying
(19:16):
to just get out of his incompetent withdrawal out of Afghanistan.
The worst, the dumbest thing that anybody's seen, probably the
most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to our country. Once again,
Trump cuts right to the heart of the matter. Welcome
back to Clay and Buck show. This is Buck. That
was Trump and Clay. Here's just for everyone. This is
(19:38):
a quick quick review here right, This is from Reuters.
The top us general secretly called his Chinese counterparts twice
over concerns then President Donald Trump could spark a war
with China as his potential election loss loomed. And in
its aftermath, that was Washington Post initial reporting. By the way,
part of the whole, part of the whole system, the
(19:59):
machine chenery of Woodward book promotion at hard at work
here right, the Washington Park comes out with the story
he's got a bowed down at him. They know how
to do that, right. But it also does seem to
have been somewhat at least early corroboration, and it certainly
seems plausible. But before Clay we get into it. Well,
our initial reaction yesterday I remember I said this to you, was, Oh,
(20:21):
they're going to say that he's a hero for doing
this right there, the same way that the people that
were trying to pretend Trump was crazy, so he should
be removed from the twenty fifth Amendment, which is an
abuse of the twenty fifth Amendment. Clearly the president was
of sound mind, but it wouldn't have mattered because they
wanted him gone. They're already trying to normalize this backchannel communication.
But what Trump said there, Clay, I think is the
(20:43):
single most important aspect of all of this. The notion
that Donald Trump was going to start a war with
China is as insane as the notion that Donald Trump
worked with Vladimir Putin and the Fremlin to steal the
twenty sixteen election. But Libs, because of trump dearrangement syndrome,
(21:07):
will believe anything about this guy. Yeah, and look, I
just want to focus on so I think if he
did this in the way that it was reported, I
do think it's treason, okay, And I want to focus
on a couple of angles here that we started to
talk about yesterday. But I think our significant and you
know this, Buck, as somebody who worked in intelligence. If
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you have the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs reaching out
to his Chinese counterparts to let them know that he
won't be executing orders on behalf of President Trump if
he disagrees with them. Basically, that is such a fundamental
fracturing of the American political process that it could have
(21:54):
emboldened China to potentially invade Taiwan. Right, Millie thought, if
you buy his version of the truth that is being
told in the Woodward book, that he was actually making
the world safer, Chinese people who are advising Chairman Z
(22:14):
could have gone to him and said, the United States
politically is so fractured right now, the military will not
support Donald Trump. Now is the time, if ever, for
US to invade Taiwan. I don't believe the US will
be able to respond militarily. So Buck, you know how
this stuff works from an intelligence fashion. If you knew
(22:38):
that the top military official or one of them, was
contacting through back channels one of our American officials and saying, hey,
I'm not going to follow the orders of the commander
in chief. Would that not embolden you in some way
for the incompetence that you were seeing on the other side. Absolutely,
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I mean it's a very very astute framing of the issue, Clay.
I would also add a comparison, which is really just
what you're doing, but I would add a specific comparison
of Remember during the transition with General Flynn, incoming National
Security Advisor, we were told that it was a huge problem,
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a violation of the Logan Act for the incoming National
Security Advisor to have a conversation with his Russian counterpart,
Ambassador Sarage Kiselak of the Russian Russian Ambassy in the US,
and all he said, I mean we actually we've all
seen the transcript. By the way, no one ever went
to prison for that leak of classified information to the
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Washington Post. I might add somehow they always get away
with this stuff when it goes against Trump people. But
that showed us that all he said was don't overreact.
There's a new you know we're coming in. Let's com
thigs down a little bit. And Clay, they wanted to.
They pretended that they could actually get Bass I mean
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General Flynn on a Logan Act violation, a criminal violation
for that, and that he was a trader. People called
General Flynn, who served the military for thirty years, a
trader for that. He didn't do anything. He wasn't betraying
the commander in chief. He was working on behalf of
the incoming commander in chief. And that led to criminal
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investigation that led to Flynn's resignation. They tortured Flynn in
the courts for years over this. Do you think they're
gonna do that to General Millie. I don't think so,
of course not. And that leads to my second part,
which I want to hit when we come back into
the final part of the first hour. Here Democrats are
defending Millie, and as we get ready to go to
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this break, I just want you to think about this.
And this is where I say precedent matters. I don't
think Joe Biden is doing a good job as president.
I don't think that anybody out that's got some bold statement,
bold statement. Quinnipac came out with their poll at some
point today a show. I'll read you some of the findings.
Joe Biden's approval rating has fallen to forty two percent
in the most recent poll from Quinnipac qu Quinipae announced
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that up and you say it. There you go, they
do a regular poll. Okay, so we're going to talk
about that. But I just want you to think about
this as we go to break. Even as much as
we all agree Joe Biden is doing an awful job,
how wrong would it be for a top military official
to call China through back channels and say, I just
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want you to know Biden is in such poor mental
state that no military official in the United States is
going to listen to anything he tells us to do.
Can I can? I also say, Clay that even if
and the whole way they're defending Milly on this, I mean,
to the point you're raising, even if Millie had the
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purest of intentions in doing this by not which which
I do not agree with, I think he's insane. I
think the notion of a war with China is crazy.
But he would do this in a way that would
undermine the actual sitting commander in chief presents And this
is what you're saying with time, it presents an opportunity.
Maybe the Chinese counterpart goes well. If they're having this
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fight up the election, they're that worried about this, whether
we forget about Taiwan or anything else for a second,
although that's obviously something that would be a concern too.
Maybe we add fueled with a fire in America. The
Chinese have all kinds of cyber operations, all kinds of
things they could do. Makes us even more vulnerable. You don't.
It's kind of like, you know, we're a big American family, right,
and a lot of people I know, I believe in
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this rule. There's stuff you say within the family, but
outside you're a united front, right, We're supposed to be
a united front, especially against our biggest global rival and
the only real military threat we face. And General Millie
thought that this was a good idea. I mean, this guy, look,
that's the same reason we say he's terrible decision making
and judgment when it comes to you know, white fragility
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on the reading list for military officers. Yeah, well, and
given up Bogram Air Force Base, the disaster in Afghanistan.
But again, I just want you to think, and we're
going to talk about this when we come back. Democrats
are defending Millie, but I just want you to think
about the institution of the American presidency and the importance
that we have a commander in chief who is a civilian,
and that the civilian gets to direct the military. And
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when the military is saying, regardless of who the commander
in chief is, that they're not going to follow the
lead of the commander in chief, the democratically elected president
of the United States, regardless of your political leanings. This
is treasonous behavior laced with espionage. And I want to
talk about that when we come back, because it's in
the context of what Democrats are saying right now. But
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Travis buck Sexton show just kind of setting a table
because we're going to continue to talk about this general
Millie mess. And one of the things that bothers me
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in general is when, no matter what the facts are,
your natural inclination is to act as if you are
the defense attorney for a particular political party. And MSNBC,
I think does this on an unbelievable level. And I'm
gonna unpack this a little bit more at the start
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of the second hour for why you should be concerned
about the actions undertaken by General Millie, no matter whether
you're a Democrat, Republican, or independent, because they go right
to the heart of the constitutional responsibilities of the military
in our republic. But Buck, they've already come out with
a statement the Pentagon has basically saying that he didn't
do anything right where you go, this is from the
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mucus Tomlinson over at Fox News from the Pentagon. General
Milly regularly communicates with foreign counterparts, including China and Russia.
These conversations remain vital to US national security interests, reducing tensions,
providing clarity, and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict. His calls
with the Chinese and others in October and January were
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in keeping with these duties and responsibilities, conveying reassurance in
order to maintain strategic stability. All calls from the Chairman
to his counterparts, including those reported, are staff coordinated and
communicated with the Department of Defense and the Interagency Clay.
You could say they are calling this a perfectly fine
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phone call. That's exactly what they're doing. But the way
that it's been conveyed to Bob Woodward, at least through
his book, is certainly not the way the Pentagon just
tried to spend this. And what I would say is
it's not a surprise because we told you yesterday when
this story broke. And again I think you have to
give credit to Bob Woodward and the masterful ability he
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has as books come out to distribute newsworthy tidbits to
the different news organism so they end up being discussed.
But Joy Read on MSNBC immediately came out and said,
we're about to play for you. But before you listen
to this, I want you to just think if General
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Millie had gotten on the phone with China and he
had said, Joe Biden, his mental faculties have declined to
such an extent that we are not in the military
ever going to follow his orders. We have made a pact.
We want to let you know that if he decides
that he wants to attack China, we're never going to
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do it. Would Joy Reid be saying what she did
last night. Listen, Senator Cruz and others suggesting that's almost
traitorous behavior from Milliates talk to the Chinese like that,
and in fact Senarubio called for Joe Biden to fire him. Yeah, okay,
good love of that, because he seems to be the
greatest patriot that was on duty during the previous administration.
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This is General Millie again, who I have to say
is emerging as a pretty important and heroic American figure
in this era. Millie reportedly told his counterpart, this may
look unsteady, but that's the nature of democracy. And this
is him talking with Chinese General Lee. General Lee, he says,
we are one steady, everything's fine, but democracy can be
sloppy sometimes. That might be the understatement of the year.
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He said, if we're going to attack you, I'll let
you know. Fun I'll give your heads up, as if
war with China was imminent because Trump was saying that
there were some uncounted ballots in Georgia or double counted
ballots in Pennsylvania or whatever. Clay, this is lunacy, but
it also falls right into the pattern. I remember the
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anonymous op ed writer, and then we found out who
the guy was, and every person I was in that
White House. Sometimes I knew lots of people the administration
and spoke the president a bunch of times. Every person
was like, what who is this guy? But remember his
whole thesis was I have to stop President Trump, the
anonymous op ed writer, from doing what he wants to do,
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because that's how much I love the country. And you
had Democrats all over saying, oh, isn't this great? And
this was true within the federal bureaucracy, two people that
were trying to thwart him. This is madness. I just
want to say again, he told the Chinese that if
we were going to attack them, he would give them
a heads up. Buck. Imagine again, imagine the analogy that
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I used yesterday. If we had gotten a phone call
or a secret telegram back in the nineteen forties from
a top Japanese military official letting them know, hey, on
December seventh, nineteen forty one, instead of the day that
lives in infamy, we're gonna let you know so that
your entire Pearl Harbor fleet is ready mobilized and prepared.
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This won't be a surprise attack on your Pacific fleet. Instead,
we'll be sending our Japanese troops into an ab salute
Hornet's nest where everybody is prepared and they can wipe
us out. That would be espionage. That would be treason,
even looking at it from the Japan to America perspective,
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if you want to stick at the World War two,
imagine that somebody had called the Nazis and said, hey,
you know how we're fainting like we're gonna come across
at at all these different locations and it's super top
secret where we're exactly gonna land on D Day while
we're coming into Normandy, just so you know we're coming
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into Normandy. That's treason. That would be actual of an
actual military action. This is crazy because he's promising the
advanced knowledge of something that no saying human being actually
thought was going to happen, and yet they just skip
over that part of it, like, oh, I mean, at
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any moment, Clay, they said we were going to start
a war with North Korea, they said we were going
to start a war with thilling them black with they
ran after so many well because of the Solimani, so
many times Trump was gonna start a war and yet
four years no war started. Pretty interesting when you look
at it that way, Huh, But not even just wants us.
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We were about to invade Beijing. They needed they need
to go fauci themselves. World War three. It wasn't just
where we were going to start a war. It was
World War three. It was gonna be a cataclysmic struggle.
And again I would just say, think about him. We're
gonna talk about this at the top of the second
hour because I think it's such a significant story here.
Think about what the reaction would be if General Millie
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was doing this to Joe Biden. Would Joy Reid be
going on MSNBC and saying he's a he's a patriot,
he's a hero, he's creating They're gonna she's like the
most laughably dishonest commentator on television. There's a few that
we could put, but there are other people that are
supposed to be serious, Clay supposed to be serious, who
are entirely un serious on this issue. And what I
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just want to do is I want to apply the
same precedence and I want to talk about why this
is treason, its behavior, why I think it is an espionage,
and why we certainly should be investigating what exactly went on,
what was said, and how it all happened and not
bragging in a bob Wood. We're both speaking of serious
and worthwhile people. Don't. We have a certain senator joining
us to talk about all the things, all of the things.
(36:22):
Senator Ran Paul will join us. We'll probably play him
some of that chicken pox versus COVID vaccine discussion we
had with doctor Mark McCary from Johns Hopkins just today.
A lot of good stuff still coming, and that's gonna
be the third hour, Senator ram Paul talking to us
about all things COVID and just what's going on in
the country. Clay's gonna bring us back in here a
second with is it not treason if it's against Trump?
Let's answer that question. You're listening to Clay Travis and
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