September 15, 2021 • 37 mins
Senator Rand Paul joins Clay and Buck to take on today's news: General Milley needs to be brought before committee for questioning. Fauci lied about the Wuhan lab. Why is natural immunity being ignored? Is Biden's mandate constitutional? White House continues to push insurrection narrative. Biden has "great confidence" in General Milley.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome to our three of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck and we
are going to dive into the latest year on COVID,
then the policies and all the rest of it. I
think there's still a bit of a shocked that a
lot of people are going through and they realize that
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there's not only a federal mandate that's I know, they say, oh,
you can get tested every day, but there's basically a
federal mandate employer every week that's in place. That means
you got to get the shot if you have over
one hundred employees. But when celebrities, if they're on the left,
ask questions about this, they're treated very differently than say,
you're runneth the mill supposed Trump supporter. They don't even
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know necessarily, but if they if it's particularly if it's
a white guy in a red state who asks a
question about the vaccineeds, the left is gonna pounce. They're
gonna say, oh, my gosh, you're killing grandma. You're an
awful person. Meanwhile, we have a very different appro Actually,
oh I'll kaclay. You know what, I'm gonna put a
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pin and I had a great thesis. There. We've got
the one and only Senator Rand Paul with us now
from the great state of Kentucky. As promised, Senator Paul,
thanks for being here. Hey guys, thanks for having me.
So let's start with Millie. Actually, we want to talk
to you about COVID, and you've been You've been somebody
who's trying to get real answers both about the policies
of faucism and also the origins of COVID nineteen and
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the lab leak theory. But first, it seems to me,
I mean I was a CIA guy. If I had
seen something like this going on when I was back
in the federal service, Senator with what General Millie did
to President Trump would have been deeply concerning. Today they're
saying he's a hero on the left. What do you
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make of it? I think you should be interviewed today
under polygraph and asked whether or not he told the
Shinee generals or government that President Trump blood could imminently attack,
that he was going to try to prevent that. The
real big danger is one you go outside of the
chain of command. We have civilian command of our military
and it's a very important part of the way our
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structure set up. But second of all, if you were
insinuating that the president is a loose cannon and then
could attack China, an accident could happen. You know, every
day we launched things into space that our satellites and
non military weapons, but what if one of those was
seen as a military launch. Because Millie has now tied
the Chinese up to think, well, Trump could actually do this,
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So it's really a disservice and could actually lead to
accidental nuclear war by getting the Chinese on alert to
think something was going to happen. That there's no indication
other than Millie's warped sense of things that actually anything
like that could have happened. So no, it's not surprising
the left or rallying. But I think he should be
interviewed today under polygraph and if this is true that
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he was actually insinuating that the president could attack China,
he should be immediately removed and never anywhere close to
a command position. Again, Senator Paul, I appreciate you coming
on with this, Clay. When you get doctor Fauci back
under oath. Given the further documents that have come out
from the intercept, do you believe that he will still
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be able to deny gain A Function research dollars from
our tax support there? And when do you expect him
to testify under oath again? He's never answered the question.
He says anybody who accuses him of supporting it to
be lying. But he's actually publicly on many occasions he's
been quoted in the Washington Post as being in favor
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of gain A Function. He's been quoted as saying that
even should a pandemic occur, that this type of research
is worthwhile. Now he's changing his mind. But there has
been a cover up here, most certainly on January thirty
first of last year, he was emailing throughout the night,
covering up his tracks and trying to get everybody on
the same page that this didn't come from the Wuhan Lab,
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because he knew if it came from the Lab, that
his funding of the lab would come in question, and
it would be responsibility, the very least moral responsibility for
this lab, and for this league, and for this pandemic. Frankly, so,
the debate goes on, but no one on the left
is ever asking the question. No one on the right
is allowed to interview him. The people on the left
who interview him yuck it up and cordal and say
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everybody's a conspiracy theorist who doesn't agree with them. But
they never ask him the tough questions. Even the other day,
he was finally on CNN asked the question about natural
immunity from those who are in fact, he said, Oh,
that's an interesting question. We should look into that. Really,
you're in charge of the whole damn thing, and you've
been in charge for two years and you haven't looked
into natural immunity. Over one hundred million Americans have gotten infected,
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and you're trying to mandate vaccines on people who worked
in the hospitals and protected us and took care of
us without a vaccine before the vaccine, who got COVID.
You're trying to force them to be vaccinated. No. I
think it's inexcusable. But probably the worst thing is this,
he still trusts the Chinese and the four year request
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the freedom of information from the intercept reveals that there's
still money going There's a grant from twenty twenty to
twenty twenty five, there's still US taxpaer dollars going to
the Wuhan Lab. We're speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Senator Paul. The future here as you see it, when
we have a federal mandate slash testing requirement, and already
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a bit of foreshadowing from Fauci among others, of the
possibility of a vaccine passport mandate for flying on planes domestically,
where do you think this is going and at what point?
At what point do you expect that enough Americans will
finally see this for what it is, that they won't
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be able to keep pushing these mandates, lockdowns, and so
called mitigation measures. I'm against any and all the mandates.
Most of the mandates haven't worked. Really, if you look
at any mask mandate or any social distancing mandate, the
incidence of the disease went up after each mandate. There's
no evidence if you compare all the areas that have
severe mandates versus those who have lacks mandates, there's no
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correlation with death or incidents of the disease. So really,
they do these things without any proof that any of
them work. The thing is is that if you're doing
a mandate and you're ignoring the science of natural immunity
that you get after infection, then you're really not obeying
the science. I don't think the courts are very good
with the freedom argument. The freedom argument is that within
in a free country, leave me the back alone. But
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they do sometimes have a reasonable in this standard if
the regulation is not reasonable, so if it's arbitrary and capricious,
which I think it is, if you don't count one
hundred million people have been affected and the studies are
all showing they have at least as good, maybe even
better immunity than the vaccine. Once again, not an argument
against the vaccine, but an argument that if you've gotten
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this and survived, that we should count your immunity. It
should count for something. But if you don't, if you
don't count that at all, and you completely discount that,
is it now an arbitrary doctrine that is not reasonable.
I think we have a decent chance with that. In
the course, Senator Paul, we had a doctor mockery on
yesterday from JOHNS. Hopkins. He wrote an article I'm sure
you saw it in the Wall Street Journal talking some
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about natural immunity, and yesterday when we talk to him.
I raised the question of chicken pox, and I think
this is an important analogy because a lot of people
out there listening to us, especially if they're around our age.
Senator had chicken pox when they were a kid, and
the CDC specifically says, according to doctor Macary on a website,
that if you had chicken pox, you don't need to
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get the chicken pox vaccine. There now is a chicken
pox vaccine because you have natural immunity. Yet they are
saying the exact opposite, going to your arbitrary and capricius
standard as it pertains to the COVID vaccine mandate. As
a doctor, well, is there any reason that you can
see for a difference between chicken pox and covid when
it comes to natural immunity. Well, we used to use
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our brain in these things. We used to think them through.
For example, the flu vaccine was not mandated for children
because children weren't severely affected by the flu. It was
more risky for older folks who had other comorbidities. So really,
up until recently, the flu vaccine was never recommended. There's
some who argue that there's a monetary interest in spreading
the mandates to other people. I don't know if that's
what motivates people, but it concerns me with chickenpox and
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other things that are not deadly. You know, it's kind
of hard to argue for some kind of mandate where
you're not allowed to go to school, you're not allowed
to travel with COVID if you're under twenty five. The
death rates about one in a million, so that's less
than being struck by lightning. So really, are we going
to mandate masks, mandate vaccines for non deadly diseases. Sure,
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it's deadly for other people, but the rest of us
can take a vaccine if we want to. Vaccine is
not perfect either, And I try to mention in every
interview that there is a treatment if you get sick.
Doctor Fauci doesn't mention this, the government doesn't mention this.
But you have to ask your doctor, particularly if you're
developing a bronchitis and they're thinking about putting you in
the hospital. Please ask your doctor about IVY monoclonal antibodies,
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because if they had you to the hospital. Doctor Fauci
and the government doctors have forbid the hospitals from giving
you IV monoclonal antibodies. Their argument is it doesn't work
as well. That's perhaps true. But if you've got a
ten percent chance that it works or a twenty percent
chance that it works and it keeps you off the ventilator,
wouldn't you want to try monoclonal antibodies. But as it
stands right now, if you get admitted, once they roll
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you through the doorway from the ear to the main hospital,
they won't give it to you. So by all means,
if you have somebody that gets sick and they're going
to the er asked them in the ar asked the doctor,
can I have the monoclonal antibodies before you've admit me?
Because once they admit you, it's this bone headed government
rule and absolute rule, they will not give you the
monoclonal antibodies. We're speaking of Senator rand Paul of Kentucky
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and Senator it's Bucky. I want to know if you
think that there's going to be a push in some
of the blue states. I mean, Gavin Newsom is still
going to be the governor of California this winter. Kathy
hokel up into New York replacing Governor Qualm beformer or Cuomo.
Now do you think that we could go into another
period of lockdowns here? Yeah? I think what's going to
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happen over time is is that the people who are
into this nanny state lockdown sort of way of thinking. Ultimately,
people who believe in freedom and want to be left
alone won't go there. I mean even now, you can
travel across the country. I live in an a state
ruled by a Democrat governor, and it's different here if
I go to Florida or Texas. I just visited my
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family in Texas. You know, there's freedom there and people
are doing, you know, as they wish, taking their risks
in a free society, everybody takes risks every day and
they're assessing their risks. Have been vaccinated, particularly the young people.
Look at the football games across the country. People are
trying to go back to enjoying their life. They're not
being you know, careless. Look over age sixty five, ninety
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percent of people have been vaccinated. It's a huge success.
In what world do more than ninety percent of people
ever agree to something? Over age fifty, it's about seventy
five percent of people have gotten vaccinated. They say this
is a failure. It's an absolute success. And they're wanting
to force people now that aren't at high risk to
get vaccinated. And for that you have to prove to
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them and keep proving to them that the vaccine is
almost perfect because there's almost no chance of dying below
age twenty five. You've got to really convince people that
it's almost perfect to take it, and people I some
have already decided, But my goodness, I wouldn't force a
healthy person, particularly that had COVID three months ago. What
kind of doctor would try to force them to get
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vaccinated They've already has a disease when the studies are
showing that natural immunities as good or better than the vaccine.
All right, Senator Paul, Let's pretend that you are president
of the United States right now. And I think there's
a lot of people listening right now that would say,
my god, that would be amazing. But let's pretend that
you were. What would your policy for COVID be and
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how different would it be from what the Joe Biden
administration and doctor Fauci are doing right now. It'd be
one of persuasion and encouragement. I'm not anti vaccine, but
I'm pro freedom. I would give people the you know,
the options, and the and the science. The science shows
that above age sixty five, without question, the disease is
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more dangerous than the vaccine, even if everything's not known
about the vaccine, even at a lower age, in an
all likelihood. But who's you to do it? You know,
my wife got vaccinated. She hasn't gotten the disease. She's
been exposed five times, but she got vaccinated. I've been
exposed to the disease. I've gotten the disease, and I've
chosen not to get vaccinated. But you know, I've also
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said that if the statistics change, I'm not completely close minded.
If tomorrow a study comes out and says, you know,
all the people who got it a year ago, there's
now a three percent chance that you'll die if you
get it again, It's like, well, maybe I couldn't get vaccinated.
But if I'm finding that it's very rare, if never
almost never that people have been infected before are dying,
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you know, then I think, you know, and with my age,
I put it all together. I make a decision. But
as president in a free society, do you allow people
to make their decisions. It's kind of like this a
year ago, or when it was raging in January. If
you said, if you're eighty years old, should I go
sit for two hours in choir practice for my church?
I would not make a rule thing you couldn't, but
I'd probably make a public service announcement saying we are
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seeing spreading events in choir practice, or when you're in
a closed space for a long period of time and
the recommendation is not to do it. Remember when the
CDC had recommendations, you know, that's what it was. Now
they have appregated contracts for rental contracts. What kind of
world do we live in when the health authorities are
saying you don't have to pay your rent? I mean,
it's a bizarre sort of big brother world we're entering,
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Senator rand Paul Kentucky, Senator, appreciate you making the time
for us, sir, and for all the clear thinking. Thanks
for being with us. Thanks, guys. Claire will come back
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the Clan Buck Show. What's up, Bruce? Good morning, sir.
Thank you for taking my call. The thing that concerns
me the most about this General Byley thing is Fort
Meade records everything we say. Think of the levels of
people who knew about this and didn't blow any whistles.
I'll take my answer in your comments on the hero.
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Thank you, thanks so much, Bruce, appreciate it. No, look,
if we recall there were many people listening to and
there was a kind of transcript or the Trump call
with Zelenski, the Ukrainian Premier, I believe, the President of Ukraine,
if memory serves, And yeah, there were other people. We
knew there are other people be listening, and they still
acted like, oh, that was some nefarious, evil thing. So
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let's remember that. While they may say, now, oh, but
it's all it was all done in the open, well no,
it clearly wasn't. I mean the president didn't know about it.
And even if there were people who were aware of it,
if there are others Clay who were too honestly scared
to blow the whistle on what Milly was doing, that
doesn't mean that what Milly was doing was okay. And
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there's also the possibility that they liked it because their
Trump't de arrangement syndrome suffer as well at senior levels
of the US government. What's so frustrating about all of
this is it's all COVID related, right, because everything is
a natural outgrowth of the ridiculousness of COVID hitting in
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the middle of a contentious presidential election. Because without COVID,
every one of the deranged Trump lunatic attackers has nothing
to hang on him, and then it's likely they got
then it's like they got a gift in terms of
a politically expedient virus that they were able to rate
and attack him with when there was otherwise virtually nothing
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other than mean tweets that you were going to be
able to argue were an issue for him. And so
it's just so wildly frustrating that all of this spiraled
out of that. Come back here in a second with
more thoughts about everything going on with the California recall
COVID lockdowns in the future, because that happened, we asked
rand Paul about it. What are we finding out from
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hanging out with us wherever you maybe across this great
country or this great land. On a Wednesday, mid September,
breaking news here, reading from Fox News, this is a
statement from at the time Trump's acting Defense Secretary. He says,
this is Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon from the
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twenty twenty election through inauguration day. He says, and I'm
reading directly from the article he quote, did not and
would not ever authorize Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff General Millie to have quote secret calls with his
Chinese counterpart describing the allegations as quote disgraceful and unprecedented
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acts of insubordination and calling on Millie to resign immediately. Miller,
who was again the Defense Secretary at the time of
these alleged calls, said the United States, from its inception
has quote operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control
of the military. And I'm reading directly from his statement.
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The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the
highest ranking military officer whose sole role is providing military
specific advice to the president, and by law is prohibited
from exercising executive authority to command forces. The chain of
command runs from the president to the Secretary of Defense,
not through the chairman. He's referencing the allegations made in
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the book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, and he
says again that this is a violation and that this
should lead to an immediate resignation. Again, he says, as
Secretary of Defense, I did not and would not ever
authorize such conduct. And this is I mean, this is
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this is pretty this is pretty wild. He also said
them a sorry, Buck to what you were saying earlier.
Any accusation President Trump was intent on starting a war
with China are completely unfounded. President Trump absolutely believed and
advocated for a more aggressive approach to China, but he
was elected to end our nation's wars, not to start
new ones. I was proud to play a small role
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in achieving those goals. He also wants a full, nonpartisan
investigation and again says, the genius of our founders and
following generations is that they established a system and culture
of subservience of the military, the most powerful force in
our nation, to civilian control. I mean, this is this
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is pretty aggressive statement from the acting at the time
Defense secretary, But you and I both know that they
already have the built in excuse, right, which is that
this is the acting Secretary of Defense for the insurrectionists
for the Trump administration. If this were the current Secretary Defense,
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Lloyd Austin, then you might actually see her. I mean,
then you'd see a resignation. But this is not going
to move the needle of resignation one bit. They've dug
into the narrative. Here is somebody, though, who A lot
of folks probably wait, who is this the acting Secretary Defense.
He's a guy from inside. He's not somebody who was
associated with being some mega Trump partisan or something. But
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nonetheless he's just saying that this is outrageous. It's obviously outrageous.
All of the people who try to justify this always
leave out the wait a second, who thought that it
needed to be explained to China that Trump wasn't going
to start a war with them, Because that's that's flatly insane.
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This is kind of like clay with Russia collusion. From
the very beginning, I said, this is a actually, you
know what, I'll tell you the president. President Trump said
this to me himself, and I can't use the exact
quote because we're on radio, but he said, yes, it's
a very stupid ideas what he sold. But he didn't
say very since something else about Russia collusion. You know,
Trump had colorful language. He told me this in the
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Oval office. I was like, yeah, sir, absolutely, it doesn't
even make sense. You're going to give the Russians leverage
over you to find a way to cheat, and you're
gonna hope that they don't get caught in election. You
think you're gonna win fair and square. But you're gonna
go with Putin. You're gonna trust the rubbed Trump would
never have trusted. The whole thing was so crazy from
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start that it all should have been dismissed out of hand.
It's kind of the same thing here, right when you
look at this, you start from the premise of we
had to have an explanation from the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff to the Chinese that don't worry,
We're not going to start, as you've said, world War three.
That's insane. What is that even? Why would they think that? Well,
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it's because Millie and the other people, all Trump and
the insurrection and the vote. Watching too much CNN. Man,
CNN rots your brain. It's like putting polonium the center
of your cerebral cortex or something. It's bad. Well, and
again this goes to the very essence, and I think
this is why the Defense Secretary, acting at the time,
his statement is so important is he directly references the
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subservience of our military to civilian control. And that's why
when this story came out yesterday, it strikes at the
very essence of our fundamental structure of government. That you
would have a quote secret phone call taking place where
a military official at a high ranking level is letting
it be known that he won't be following the directives
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of the democratically elected president of the United States. Which
is why, Buck, I think this is such a big story.
And if people would just get out of their partisan
win worldview, if you can, this is what I always
used to say. This is the way that I would
connect with sports fans back in the day. Buck, Sports
fans are intently tribal. They believe whatever their school does,
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especially in college sports, is justified and whatever somebody else
does isn't. I say, Hey, if you think one school
is paying for players, imagine that your school did it.
The difference between the way that you think those should
be treated is bias. Right, So in this situation, strip
away Trump, strip away the president. Don't even consider the party.
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Is it appropriate for a military official to be on
a phone call with a Chinese foreign adversary, or any
adversary of the United States government arguing that he will
not follow the directive of the commander in chief, the
democratically elected president of United States. No, this is a
flagrant usurpation of the entire purpose of the Constitution, regardless
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of political party. But you have to remember as well
that the true hashtag resistance believers always thought, and this
is going to be crazy for people to hear, but
everyone's listening knows this is the truth. The true hashtag
resistance believers thought the Trump was never the legitimate president
of the United States, so they can judge that's they
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can justify anything to themselves under this rubric of it's different, Clay,
this time it's different because Trump. There's always some way
they come back to that. So you're right, I mean,
you're framing of it is correct, of course, right, we
agree this is insane. But the way the first of all,
all the people are going on TV, they know that
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their ratings are better by just having a constant diet
of anti Trumps and for Democrats. But beyond that, they
really convinced themselves that Donald Trump, even though the Muller
Probe didn't find the collusion right from day one, they thought,
and they believed, many of them, which I know was insane,
that Trump was an illegitimate president. So in a sense,
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Millie was actually in their minds. I'm taking you all
through a trip into crazytown. Millie was usurp Millie wasn't usurping.
He was preventing the absolute usurpation of presidential authority to
start World War three because Donald Trump never should have
been president in the first place. Welcome to crazytown population, Democrats. Well,
I'll also say this. The lesson to me of the
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democratic response to Donald Trump is what you hate often
ends up defining you. That's an important lesson. It's kind
of like a psychological worldview to think about. You have
to be very careful that in hating something, you don't
allow yourself to become what you claim to hate. Look
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at everything that Democrats and their allies in the media
did to fight Donald Trump, and ask yourself this, who
was the bigger threat to American democracy? Twitter when it's
banning articles and the democratically elected president of the United States,
the resistance inside of the military that's having secret conversations
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with America's most foremost foe, the people who are demanding
that there be an investigation into Russian collusion. They all
claim that they were defending our democracy while at the
same time systematically undermining and destroying the foundations of what
they claim to love. You have to be careful when
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you allow hate to drive you, and I sound a
little bit like Star Wars here. The hate will end
up infecting you to such a degree that what you
claim to hate begins to define you. And I think
that's what happened to the Democratic Party. And don't forget Clay.
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confidence in General Millie, we should all we should all
not worry about it. I suppose that this is not
surprising at all. We knew this, just like James Comey
was the great hero of the hashtag resistance under Trump.
Now Millie, who still is in his role right, I'm
I mean Colemy got fired by Trump, which is why
then he turned on him after sucking up to him
for months and months. Millie is still a chairman of
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the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's not looking like he's
gonna step down anytime soon, that's for sure. Clay It's
also funny as I sit here, we got Biden saying
Millie's great. We got Lieutenant Colonel Vinman on CNN. Remember
that guy, I'll see it right now. He's just like, oh,
I'm such a hero. And before Vinman, you had the
lie under oath former acting FBI director on CNN, McCabe,
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who's their law enforced? Binanolysts. Maybe he can teach you
how to get away with a felony. And it's astonishing
to see how clearly the Democrats will elevate and reward
anybody who is a weapon against their political opponents, no
matter what rules they break, how underhanded it, even if
the militical opponent is out of office. I think that's
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so significant. We started off today's show talking about what
buck that Gavin Newsom had managed to stay in office
and what did he do? Ran against Trump? He ran
against Trumpism, which is amazing. He ran against the boogeyman
who does not exist under his bed. And now what's
happening with General Millie. He's a hero, not because we're
even looking at what happened in Afghanistan, which is the
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most disastrous foreign policy evacuation, maybe the most astrous foreign
policy plan since Saigon in nineteen seventy five, and now
suddenly Millie, who executed that plan to absolute failure, is
being praised not for anything that he's actually doing now,
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but for subverting the United States Constitution and the military
relationship with the president because it had to do with Trump.
And this is what I finished off by saying, you are,
and I mean everybody out there who is doing this
is allowing themselves to fundamentally destroy the underlying democratic ideals
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of this country based on their hate for Donald Trump.
I mean, think about it. A Washington Post Buck wrote
democracy dies in darkness when Donald Trump got elected president.
Has any president I just mean it's honestly, any president
been more aggressively covered, pillaried, attacked, destroyed by the United
States media in our lives than Donald Trump. No, of
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course not. There's not anybody close. And yet without COVID
he wins reelection by a massive amount because the vast
majority of the American public people who are listening to
us right now, understand that Trump is not perfect, but
his end result and goals, even if he sometimes is
like a bull in a china shop breaking stuff in
the process, were the right place. He got to the
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right result, even if sometimes his methods to get there
were flawed. Let's see what folks think. To close this
out here, Mark in Louisiana, Mark, how you doing. Oh'm good?
And I just wanted to weigh in on being able
to use the antibody tests as a substitute for the vaccine.
Car just out falling up on when Paul's thoughts and so,
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I mean, we're at the point where natural immunity exceeds
vaccine immunity. I mean it's no longer disputable. Every every
single data point, large scale data sources all showed the
same thing. And so now the argument is kind of shifting.
Whereas when I used to make this argument, people say, well,
you don't know the natural community exceeds vaccine immunity, and
so now that arguments having to sift. There's so much data.
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He's accuculate, and so now the argument as well, you know,
if you have natural immunity and you get vaccine immunity,
how you got this like hybrid super super immunity. So
why don't you do that? So I always tell people like,
the goal has never been at least it hasn't previously gone.
To get your chance of contracting COVID at zero point
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zero zero. The goal is to get to the point
we're taking a new medication is no longer warranted. So
I turned the question back on them and say, look,
if there was no limits on the amount of vaccines
that you could have, you could have as many as
you wanted. How many vaccines would you take before you
reach the point where you felt like that risk had
been mitigated to the point where you didn't need to
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take another vaccine? Five shots, six shots, ten shots. You know,
at some point we reached that point to where the
goal witting to get it to zero point zero zero.
The goal is to reduce it to the point we're
taking a new medication. Well, Mark, you know, I appreciate it.
You know, the incrementalism of the Fauciites has been apparent
for a long time. Clay and I have been railing
against it since before we've been doing a show together.
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We're doing our separate shows then, and it's been very
clear where they wanted to take us, and it is
based on they wouldn't say it then. They're more open
about it now. A principle of zero COVID, which is
absurd when you think about it on many levels because
we're never going to get there. But also look at
what has happened. Look at all the stuff they've put
the country through, all the lockdowns, the shutdowns, the masks,
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now the forest vaccination and a Senator Ram Paul is
totally right. And Clay and I have said this from
the beginning here together, if you're sixty five and up,
get the shot right. This is not it's not hard
because that is actually what the risk assessment would tell you.
But for a lot of the other stuff, we've seen
over what six hundred and fifty thousand people dead, one
hundred million plus people that have been infected in one
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way or another based on the estimates, this is what
success looks like against sintima. What would be a poor
COVID response in this country? Amen, and I would encourage
you all to go download the podcast because we had
Senator rand Paul on to start this hour and what
is still not analyzed, discussed or contemplated enough. In addition
to natural immunity, and again the chicken pox example is
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a good one, but what Rand Paul told us was
if you're under twenty five, twenty five or under, you
have a one in a million chance of dying of COVID. Really,
the Great Barrington Declaration remains true. We're eventually going to
have to get to COVID normalcy through her immunity, and
the best way to do that is as many young
and healthy people getting COVID honestly as possible. The people
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who are older, unhealthy, obese, you need to get vaccinated
as soon as you possibly can. But the positive is
people over the age of sixty five Buck have like
a ninety three percent now percentage of getting the COVID vaccine.
We also need to look more closely at all the
data and why cases still remain as high as they
are based on what we were told, but we'll have
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to come back to that one another day. Please do
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Sexton Show podcast. Welcome to our three of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is Buck and we
are going to dive into the latest year on COVID,
then the policies and all the rest of it. I
think there's still a bit of a shocked that a
lot of people are going through and they realize that
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there's not only a federal mandate that's I know, they say, oh,
you can get tested every day, but there's basically a
federal mandate employer every week that's in place. That means
you got to get the shot if you have over
one hundred employees. But when celebrities, if they're on the left,
ask questions about this, they're treated very differently than say,
you're runneth the mill supposed Trump supporter. They don't even
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know necessarily, but if they if it's particularly if it's
a white guy in a red state who asks a
question about the vaccineeds, the left is gonna pounce. They're
gonna say, oh, my gosh, you're killing grandma. You're an
awful person. Meanwhile, we have a very different appro Actually,
oh I'll kaclay. You know what, I'm gonna put a
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pin and I had a great thesis. There. We've got
the one and only Senator Rand Paul with us now
from the great state of Kentucky. As promised, Senator Paul,
thanks for being here. Hey guys, thanks for having me.
So let's start with Millie. Actually, we want to talk
to you about COVID, and you've been You've been somebody
who's trying to get real answers both about the policies
of faucism and also the origins of COVID nineteen and
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the lab leak theory. But first, it seems to me,
I mean I was a CIA guy. If I had
seen something like this going on when I was back
in the federal service, Senator with what General Millie did
to President Trump would have been deeply concerning. Today they're
saying he's a hero on the left. What do you
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make of it? I think you should be interviewed today
under polygraph and asked whether or not he told the
Shinee generals or government that President Trump blood could imminently attack,
that he was going to try to prevent that. The
real big danger is one you go outside of the
chain of command. We have civilian command of our military
and it's a very important part of the way our
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structure set up. But second of all, if you were
insinuating that the president is a loose cannon and then
could attack China, an accident could happen. You know, every
day we launched things into space that our satellites and
non military weapons, but what if one of those was
seen as a military launch. Because Millie has now tied
the Chinese up to think, well, Trump could actually do this,
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So it's really a disservice and could actually lead to
accidental nuclear war by getting the Chinese on alert to
think something was going to happen. That there's no indication
other than Millie's warped sense of things that actually anything
like that could have happened. So no, it's not surprising
the left or rallying. But I think he should be
interviewed today under polygraph and if this is true that
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he was actually insinuating that the president could attack China,
he should be immediately removed and never anywhere close to
a command position. Again, Senator Paul, I appreciate you coming
on with this, Clay. When you get doctor Fauci back
under oath. Given the further documents that have come out
from the intercept, do you believe that he will still
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be able to deny gain A Function research dollars from
our tax support there? And when do you expect him
to testify under oath again? He's never answered the question.
He says anybody who accuses him of supporting it to
be lying. But he's actually publicly on many occasions he's
been quoted in the Washington Post as being in favor
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of gain A Function. He's been quoted as saying that
even should a pandemic occur, that this type of research
is worthwhile. Now he's changing his mind. But there has
been a cover up here, most certainly on January thirty
first of last year, he was emailing throughout the night,
covering up his tracks and trying to get everybody on
the same page that this didn't come from the Wuhan Lab,
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because he knew if it came from the Lab, that
his funding of the lab would come in question, and
it would be responsibility, the very least moral responsibility for
this lab, and for this league, and for this pandemic. Frankly, so,
the debate goes on, but no one on the left
is ever asking the question. No one on the right
is allowed to interview him. The people on the left
who interview him yuck it up and cordal and say
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everybody's a conspiracy theorist who doesn't agree with them. But
they never ask him the tough questions. Even the other day,
he was finally on CNN asked the question about natural
immunity from those who are in fact, he said, Oh,
that's an interesting question. We should look into that. Really,
you're in charge of the whole damn thing, and you've
been in charge for two years and you haven't looked
into natural immunity. Over one hundred million Americans have gotten infected,
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and you're trying to mandate vaccines on people who worked
in the hospitals and protected us and took care of
us without a vaccine before the vaccine, who got COVID.
You're trying to force them to be vaccinated. No. I
think it's inexcusable. But probably the worst thing is this,
he still trusts the Chinese and the four year request
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the freedom of information from the intercept reveals that there's
still money going There's a grant from twenty twenty to
twenty twenty five, there's still US taxpaer dollars going to
the Wuhan Lab. We're speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Senator Paul. The future here as you see it, when
we have a federal mandate slash testing requirement, and already
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a bit of foreshadowing from Fauci among others, of the
possibility of a vaccine passport mandate for flying on planes domestically,
where do you think this is going and at what point?
At what point do you expect that enough Americans will
finally see this for what it is, that they won't
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be able to keep pushing these mandates, lockdowns, and so
called mitigation measures. I'm against any and all the mandates.
Most of the mandates haven't worked. Really, if you look
at any mask mandate or any social distancing mandate, the
incidence of the disease went up after each mandate. There's
no evidence if you compare all the areas that have
severe mandates versus those who have lacks mandates, there's no
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correlation with death or incidents of the disease. So really,
they do these things without any proof that any of
them work. The thing is is that if you're doing
a mandate and you're ignoring the science of natural immunity
that you get after infection, then you're really not obeying
the science. I don't think the courts are very good
with the freedom argument. The freedom argument is that within
in a free country, leave me the back alone. But
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they do sometimes have a reasonable in this standard if
the regulation is not reasonable, so if it's arbitrary and capricious,
which I think it is, if you don't count one
hundred million people have been affected and the studies are
all showing they have at least as good, maybe even
better immunity than the vaccine. Once again, not an argument
against the vaccine, but an argument that if you've gotten
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this and survived, that we should count your immunity. It
should count for something. But if you don't, if you
don't count that at all, and you completely discount that,
is it now an arbitrary doctrine that is not reasonable.
I think we have a decent chance with that. In
the course, Senator Paul, we had a doctor mockery on
yesterday from JOHNS. Hopkins. He wrote an article I'm sure
you saw it in the Wall Street Journal talking some
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about natural immunity, and yesterday when we talk to him.
I raised the question of chicken pox, and I think
this is an important analogy because a lot of people
out there listening to us, especially if they're around our age.
Senator had chicken pox when they were a kid, and
the CDC specifically says, according to doctor Macary on a website,
that if you had chicken pox, you don't need to
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get the chicken pox vaccine. There now is a chicken
pox vaccine because you have natural immunity. Yet they are
saying the exact opposite, going to your arbitrary and capricius
standard as it pertains to the COVID vaccine mandate. As
a doctor, well, is there any reason that you can
see for a difference between chicken pox and covid when
it comes to natural immunity. Well, we used to use
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our brain in these things. We used to think them through.
For example, the flu vaccine was not mandated for children
because children weren't severely affected by the flu. It was
more risky for older folks who had other comorbidities. So really,
up until recently, the flu vaccine was never recommended. There's
some who argue that there's a monetary interest in spreading
the mandates to other people. I don't know if that's
what motivates people, but it concerns me with chickenpox and
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other things that are not deadly. You know, it's kind
of hard to argue for some kind of mandate where
you're not allowed to go to school, you're not allowed
to travel with COVID if you're under twenty five. The
death rates about one in a million, so that's less
than being struck by lightning. So really, are we going
to mandate masks, mandate vaccines for non deadly diseases. Sure,
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it's deadly for other people, but the rest of us
can take a vaccine if we want to. Vaccine is
not perfect either, And I try to mention in every
interview that there is a treatment if you get sick.
Doctor Fauci doesn't mention this, the government doesn't mention this.
But you have to ask your doctor, particularly if you're
developing a bronchitis and they're thinking about putting you in
the hospital. Please ask your doctor about IVY monoclonal antibodies,
(08:59):
because if they had you to the hospital. Doctor Fauci
and the government doctors have forbid the hospitals from giving
you IV monoclonal antibodies. Their argument is it doesn't work
as well. That's perhaps true. But if you've got a
ten percent chance that it works or a twenty percent
chance that it works and it keeps you off the ventilator,
wouldn't you want to try monoclonal antibodies. But as it
stands right now, if you get admitted, once they roll
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you through the doorway from the ear to the main hospital,
they won't give it to you. So by all means,
if you have somebody that gets sick and they're going
to the er asked them in the ar asked the doctor,
can I have the monoclonal antibodies before you've admit me?
Because once they admit you, it's this bone headed government
rule and absolute rule, they will not give you the
monoclonal antibodies. We're speaking of Senator rand Paul of Kentucky
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and Senator it's Bucky. I want to know if you
think that there's going to be a push in some
of the blue states. I mean, Gavin Newsom is still
going to be the governor of California this winter. Kathy
hokel up into New York replacing Governor Qualm beformer or Cuomo.
Now do you think that we could go into another
period of lockdowns here? Yeah? I think what's going to
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happen over time is is that the people who are
into this nanny state lockdown sort of way of thinking. Ultimately,
people who believe in freedom and want to be left
alone won't go there. I mean even now, you can
travel across the country. I live in an a state
ruled by a Democrat governor, and it's different here if
I go to Florida or Texas. I just visited my
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family in Texas. You know, there's freedom there and people
are doing, you know, as they wish, taking their risks
in a free society, everybody takes risks every day and
they're assessing their risks. Have been vaccinated, particularly the young people.
Look at the football games across the country. People are
trying to go back to enjoying their life. They're not
being you know, careless. Look over age sixty five, ninety
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percent of people have been vaccinated. It's a huge success.
In what world do more than ninety percent of people
ever agree to something? Over age fifty, it's about seventy
five percent of people have gotten vaccinated. They say this
is a failure. It's an absolute success. And they're wanting
to force people now that aren't at high risk to
get vaccinated. And for that you have to prove to
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them and keep proving to them that the vaccine is
almost perfect because there's almost no chance of dying below
age twenty five. You've got to really convince people that
it's almost perfect to take it, and people I some
have already decided, But my goodness, I wouldn't force a
healthy person, particularly that had COVID three months ago. What
kind of doctor would try to force them to get
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vaccinated They've already has a disease when the studies are
showing that natural immunities as good or better than the vaccine.
All right, Senator Paul, Let's pretend that you are president
of the United States right now. And I think there's
a lot of people listening right now that would say,
my god, that would be amazing. But let's pretend that
you were. What would your policy for COVID be and
(11:50):
how different would it be from what the Joe Biden
administration and doctor Fauci are doing right now. It'd be
one of persuasion and encouragement. I'm not anti vaccine, but
I'm pro freedom. I would give people the you know,
the options, and the and the science. The science shows
that above age sixty five, without question, the disease is
(12:10):
more dangerous than the vaccine, even if everything's not known
about the vaccine, even at a lower age, in an
all likelihood. But who's you to do it? You know,
my wife got vaccinated. She hasn't gotten the disease. She's
been exposed five times, but she got vaccinated. I've been
exposed to the disease. I've gotten the disease, and I've
chosen not to get vaccinated. But you know, I've also
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said that if the statistics change, I'm not completely close minded.
If tomorrow a study comes out and says, you know,
all the people who got it a year ago, there's
now a three percent chance that you'll die if you
get it again, It's like, well, maybe I couldn't get vaccinated.
But if I'm finding that it's very rare, if never
almost never that people have been infected before are dying,
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you know, then I think, you know, and with my age,
I put it all together. I make a decision. But
as president in a free society, do you allow people
to make their decisions. It's kind of like this a
year ago, or when it was raging in January. If
you said, if you're eighty years old, should I go
sit for two hours in choir practice for my church?
I would not make a rule thing you couldn't, but
I'd probably make a public service announcement saying we are
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seeing spreading events in choir practice, or when you're in
a closed space for a long period of time and
the recommendation is not to do it. Remember when the
CDC had recommendations, you know, that's what it was. Now
they have appregated contracts for rental contracts. What kind of
world do we live in when the health authorities are
saying you don't have to pay your rent? I mean,
it's a bizarre sort of big brother world we're entering,
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Senator rand Paul Kentucky, Senator, appreciate you making the time
for us, sir, and for all the clear thinking. Thanks
for being with us. Thanks, guys. Claire will come back
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Thank you for taking my call. The thing that concerns
me the most about this General Byley thing is Fort
Meade records everything we say. Think of the levels of
people who knew about this and didn't blow any whistles.
I'll take my answer in your comments on the hero.
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Thank you, thanks so much, Bruce, appreciate it. No, look,
if we recall there were many people listening to and
there was a kind of transcript or the Trump call
with Zelenski, the Ukrainian Premier, I believe, the President of Ukraine,
if memory serves, And yeah, there were other people. We
knew there are other people be listening, and they still
acted like, oh, that was some nefarious, evil thing. So
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let's remember that. While they may say, now, oh, but
it's all it was all done in the open, well no,
it clearly wasn't. I mean the president didn't know about it.
And even if there were people who were aware of it,
if there are others Clay who were too honestly scared
to blow the whistle on what Milly was doing, that
doesn't mean that what Milly was doing was okay. And
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there's also the possibility that they liked it because their
Trump't de arrangement syndrome suffer as well at senior levels
of the US government. What's so frustrating about all of
this is it's all COVID related, right, because everything is
a natural outgrowth of the ridiculousness of COVID hitting in
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the middle of a contentious presidential election. Because without COVID,
every one of the deranged Trump lunatic attackers has nothing
to hang on him, and then it's likely they got
then it's like they got a gift in terms of
a politically expedient virus that they were able to rate
and attack him with when there was otherwise virtually nothing
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other than mean tweets that you were going to be
able to argue were an issue for him. And so
it's just so wildly frustrating that all of this spiraled
out of that. Come back here in a second with
more thoughts about everything going on with the California recall
COVID lockdowns in the future, because that happened, we asked
rand Paul about it. What are we finding out from
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hanging out with us wherever you maybe across this great
country or this great land. On a Wednesday, mid September,
breaking news here, reading from Fox News, this is a
statement from at the time Trump's acting Defense Secretary. He says,
this is Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon from the
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twenty twenty election through inauguration day. He says, and I'm
reading directly from the article he quote, did not and
would not ever authorize Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff General Millie to have quote secret calls with his
Chinese counterpart describing the allegations as quote disgraceful and unprecedented
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acts of insubordination and calling on Millie to resign immediately. Miller,
who was again the Defense Secretary at the time of
these alleged calls, said the United States, from its inception
has quote operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control
of the military. And I'm reading directly from his statement.
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The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the
highest ranking military officer whose sole role is providing military
specific advice to the president, and by law is prohibited
from exercising executive authority to command forces. The chain of
command runs from the president to the Secretary of Defense,
not through the chairman. He's referencing the allegations made in
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the book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, and he
says again that this is a violation and that this
should lead to an immediate resignation. Again, he says, as
Secretary of Defense, I did not and would not ever
authorize such conduct. And this is I mean, this is
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this is pretty this is pretty wild. He also said
them a sorry, Buck to what you were saying earlier.
Any accusation President Trump was intent on starting a war
with China are completely unfounded. President Trump absolutely believed and
advocated for a more aggressive approach to China, but he
was elected to end our nation's wars, not to start
new ones. I was proud to play a small role
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in achieving those goals. He also wants a full, nonpartisan
investigation and again says, the genius of our founders and
following generations is that they established a system and culture
of subservience of the military, the most powerful force in
our nation, to civilian control. I mean, this is this
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is pretty aggressive statement from the acting at the time
Defense secretary, But you and I both know that they
already have the built in excuse, right, which is that
this is the acting Secretary of Defense for the insurrectionists
for the Trump administration. If this were the current Secretary Defense,
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Lloyd Austin, then you might actually see her. I mean,
then you'd see a resignation. But this is not going
to move the needle of resignation one bit. They've dug
into the narrative. Here is somebody, though, who A lot
of folks probably wait, who is this the acting Secretary Defense.
He's a guy from inside. He's not somebody who was
associated with being some mega Trump partisan or something. But
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nonetheless he's just saying that this is outrageous. It's obviously outrageous.
All of the people who try to justify this always
leave out the wait a second, who thought that it
needed to be explained to China that Trump wasn't going
to start a war with them, Because that's that's flatly insane.
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This is kind of like clay with Russia collusion. From
the very beginning, I said, this is a actually, you
know what, I'll tell you the president. President Trump said
this to me himself, and I can't use the exact
quote because we're on radio, but he said, yes, it's
a very stupid ideas what he sold. But he didn't
say very since something else about Russia collusion. You know,
Trump had colorful language. He told me this in the
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Oval office. I was like, yeah, sir, absolutely, it doesn't
even make sense. You're going to give the Russians leverage
over you to find a way to cheat, and you're
gonna hope that they don't get caught in election. You
think you're gonna win fair and square. But you're gonna
go with Putin. You're gonna trust the rubbed Trump would
never have trusted. The whole thing was so crazy from
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start that it all should have been dismissed out of hand.
It's kind of the same thing here, right when you
look at this, you start from the premise of we
had to have an explanation from the Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff to the Chinese that don't worry,
We're not going to start, as you've said, world War three.
That's insane. What is that even? Why would they think that? Well,
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it's because Millie and the other people, all Trump and
the insurrection and the vote. Watching too much CNN. Man,
CNN rots your brain. It's like putting polonium the center
of your cerebral cortex or something. It's bad. Well, and
again this goes to the very essence, and I think
this is why the Defense Secretary, acting at the time,
his statement is so important is he directly references the
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subservience of our military to civilian control. And that's why
when this story came out yesterday, it strikes at the
very essence of our fundamental structure of government. That you
would have a quote secret phone call taking place where
a military official at a high ranking level is letting
it be known that he won't be following the directives
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of the democratically elected president of the United States. Which
is why, Buck, I think this is such a big story.
And if people would just get out of their partisan
win worldview, if you can, this is what I always
used to say. This is the way that I would
connect with sports fans back in the day. Buck, Sports
fans are intently tribal. They believe whatever their school does,
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especially in college sports, is justified and whatever somebody else
does isn't. I say, Hey, if you think one school
is paying for players, imagine that your school did it.
The difference between the way that you think those should
be treated is bias. Right, So in this situation, strip
away Trump, strip away the president. Don't even consider the party.
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Is it appropriate for a military official to be on
a phone call with a Chinese foreign adversary, or any
adversary of the United States government arguing that he will
not follow the directive of the commander in chief, the
democratically elected president of United States. No, this is a
flagrant usurpation of the entire purpose of the Constitution, regardless
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of political party. But you have to remember as well
that the true hashtag resistance believers always thought, and this
is going to be crazy for people to hear, but
everyone's listening knows this is the truth. The true hashtag
resistance believers thought the Trump was never the legitimate president
of the United States, so they can judge that's they
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can justify anything to themselves under this rubric of it's different, Clay,
this time it's different because Trump. There's always some way
they come back to that. So you're right, I mean,
you're framing of it is correct, of course, right, we
agree this is insane. But the way the first of all,
all the people are going on TV, they know that
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their ratings are better by just having a constant diet
of anti Trumps and for Democrats. But beyond that, they
really convinced themselves that Donald Trump, even though the Muller
Probe didn't find the collusion right from day one, they thought,
and they believed, many of them, which I know was insane,
that Trump was an illegitimate president. So in a sense,
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Millie was actually in their minds. I'm taking you all
through a trip into crazytown. Millie was usurp Millie wasn't usurping.
He was preventing the absolute usurpation of presidential authority to
start World War three because Donald Trump never should have
been president in the first place. Welcome to crazytown population, Democrats. Well,
I'll also say this. The lesson to me of the
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democratic response to Donald Trump is what you hate often
ends up defining you. That's an important lesson. It's kind
of like a psychological worldview to think about. You have
to be very careful that in hating something, you don't
allow yourself to become what you claim to hate. Look
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at everything that Democrats and their allies in the media
did to fight Donald Trump, and ask yourself this, who
was the bigger threat to American democracy? Twitter when it's
banning articles and the democratically elected president of the United States,
the resistance inside of the military that's having secret conversations
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with America's most foremost foe, the people who are demanding
that there be an investigation into Russian collusion. They all
claim that they were defending our democracy while at the
same time systematically undermining and destroying the foundations of what
they claim to love. You have to be careful when
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you allow hate to drive you, and I sound a
little bit like Star Wars here. The hate will end
up infecting you to such a degree that what you
claim to hate begins to define you. And I think
that's what happened to the Democratic Party. And don't forget Clay.
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confidence in General Millie, we should all we should all
not worry about it. I suppose that this is not
surprising at all. We knew this, just like James Comey
was the great hero of the hashtag resistance under Trump.
Now Millie, who still is in his role right, I'm
I mean Colemy got fired by Trump, which is why
then he turned on him after sucking up to him
for months and months. Millie is still a chairman of
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the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's not looking like he's
gonna step down anytime soon, that's for sure. Clay It's
also funny as I sit here, we got Biden saying
Millie's great. We got Lieutenant Colonel Vinman on CNN. Remember
that guy, I'll see it right now. He's just like, oh,
I'm such a hero. And before Vinman, you had the
lie under oath former acting FBI director on CNN, McCabe,
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who's their law enforced? Binanolysts. Maybe he can teach you
how to get away with a felony. And it's astonishing
to see how clearly the Democrats will elevate and reward
anybody who is a weapon against their political opponents, no
matter what rules they break, how underhanded it, even if
the militical opponent is out of office. I think that's
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so significant. We started off today's show talking about what
buck that Gavin Newsom had managed to stay in office
and what did he do? Ran against Trump? He ran
against Trumpism, which is amazing. He ran against the boogeyman
who does not exist under his bed. And now what's
happening with General Millie. He's a hero, not because we're
even looking at what happened in Afghanistan, which is the
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most disastrous foreign policy evacuation, maybe the most astrous foreign
policy plan since Saigon in nineteen seventy five, and now
suddenly Millie, who executed that plan to absolute failure, is
being praised not for anything that he's actually doing now,
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but for subverting the United States Constitution and the military
relationship with the president because it had to do with Trump.
And this is what I finished off by saying, you are,
and I mean everybody out there who is doing this
is allowing themselves to fundamentally destroy the underlying democratic ideals
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of this country based on their hate for Donald Trump.
I mean, think about it. A Washington Post Buck wrote
democracy dies in darkness when Donald Trump got elected president.
Has any president I just mean it's honestly, any president
been more aggressively covered, pillaried, attacked, destroyed by the United
States media in our lives than Donald Trump. No, of
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course not. There's not anybody close. And yet without COVID
he wins reelection by a massive amount because the vast
majority of the American public people who are listening to
us right now, understand that Trump is not perfect, but
his end result and goals, even if he sometimes is
like a bull in a china shop breaking stuff in
the process, were the right place. He got to the
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right result, even if sometimes his methods to get there
were flawed. Let's see what folks think. To close this
out here, Mark in Louisiana, Mark, how you doing. Oh'm good?
And I just wanted to weigh in on being able
to use the antibody tests as a substitute for the vaccine.
Car just out falling up on when Paul's thoughts and so,
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I mean, we're at the point where natural immunity exceeds
vaccine immunity. I mean it's no longer disputable. Every every
single data point, large scale data sources all showed the
same thing. And so now the argument is kind of shifting.
Whereas when I used to make this argument, people say, well,
you don't know the natural community exceeds vaccine immunity, and
so now that arguments having to sift. There's so much data.
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He's accuculate, and so now the argument as well, you know,
if you have natural immunity and you get vaccine immunity,
how you got this like hybrid super super immunity. So
why don't you do that? So I always tell people like,
the goal has never been at least it hasn't previously gone.
To get your chance of contracting COVID at zero point
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zero zero. The goal is to get to the point
we're taking a new medication is no longer warranted. So
I turned the question back on them and say, look,
if there was no limits on the amount of vaccines
that you could have, you could have as many as
you wanted. How many vaccines would you take before you
reach the point where you felt like that risk had
been mitigated to the point where you didn't need to
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take another vaccine? Five shots, six shots, ten shots. You know,
at some point we reached that point to where the
goal witting to get it to zero point zero zero.
The goal is to reduce it to the point we're
taking a new medication. Well, Mark, you know, I appreciate it.
You know, the incrementalism of the Fauciites has been apparent
for a long time. Clay and I have been railing
against it since before we've been doing a show together.
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We're doing our separate shows then, and it's been very
clear where they wanted to take us, and it is
based on they wouldn't say it then. They're more open
about it now. A principle of zero COVID, which is
absurd when you think about it on many levels because
we're never going to get there. But also look at
what has happened. Look at all the stuff they've put
the country through, all the lockdowns, the shutdowns, the masks,
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now the forest vaccination and a Senator Ram Paul is
totally right. And Clay and I have said this from
the beginning here together, if you're sixty five and up,
get the shot right. This is not it's not hard
because that is actually what the risk assessment would tell you.
But for a lot of the other stuff, we've seen
over what six hundred and fifty thousand people dead, one
hundred million plus people that have been infected in one
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way or another based on the estimates, this is what
success looks like against sintima. What would be a poor
COVID response in this country? Amen, and I would encourage
you all to go download the podcast because we had
Senator rand Paul on to start this hour and what
is still not analyzed, discussed or contemplated enough. In addition
to natural immunity, and again the chicken pox example is
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a good one, but what Rand Paul told us was
if you're under twenty five, twenty five or under, you
have a one in a million chance of dying of COVID. Really,
the Great Barrington Declaration remains true. We're eventually going to
have to get to COVID normalcy through her immunity, and
the best way to do that is as many young
and healthy people getting COVID honestly as possible. The people
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who are older, unhealthy, obese, you need to get vaccinated
as soon as you possibly can. But the positive is
people over the age of sixty five Buck have like
a ninety three percent now percentage of getting the COVID vaccine.
We also need to look more closely at all the
data and why cases still remain as high as they
are based on what we were told, but we'll have
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to come back to that one another day. Please do
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