October 12, 2021 • 36 mins
Gruden case highlights the hypocrisy of NFL cancel culture. Pilots lead America's pushback against vaccine mandates. C&B take calls from pilots on the Southwest slowdown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Hope all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday. I
hope you had a good Columbus Day aka Indigenous People's Day.
As the Joe Biden administration let us know the Indigenous
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people obviously clamoring for a day for a long time. Now.
We got a bunch of different stories. I hope buck
Sexton held down the ship yesterday. Airline pilots at Southwest
continue to become the most public opponents of the idea
of mandatory vaccinations. We've got John Gruden, who is a
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head coach at the Oakland Raiders out at the as
a head coach for much of the emails that have
been years old that were uncovered as part of an
investigation in the fl that did not involve John Gruden.
I'm actually curious if we can come up with a
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theme or idea that makes sense going forward when it
comes to cancel culture vaccine mandates under siege. Doctor Fouci
has come out and said I know that a little
over a week ago, I said, you may not be
able to spend Christmas with your families. But now I
want all of you to know it's okay to go
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out and trick or treat. I know my family was
very excited, particularly my kids, to get doctor Fouci's blessing
that they can walk around and trick or treat. We
got the potential next governor of the state of Virginia,
governor potentially Young Ken who was going to be on
with us at one thirty Eastern. And we got MSNBC
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and CNN insanity over whether people like Van Jones and
Sage Steele, even though they may be black, may or
may not be black voices. All of this coming together
in a crescendo of idiocy. Buck, what I would say
I am proud of as I sit here in La.
Thank you for holding down the ship. Yesterday, as I
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was traveling and running around, I managed to walk into
a local coffee shop in La yesterday, Buck and get
a coffee without wearing a mask. And I felt like
a monster rebel. I was the only person in the
whole place who was doing it, but I took it
as some small measure of vindication. I think Governor Gavin
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Newsom probably has the California State troopers within all sartin
for me bulletin trying to find you. They got a
bolo be on the lookout for Travis after your super
Spreader event in the Starbucks. Of course, you know, I'll
tell you even here in New York over the weekend,
I went into the coffee shop on my corner. And
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I might have mentioned this before on the show when
I tell you they have a reading section, because it's
that kind of a coffee shop. Oh yeah, And the
books are and I'm it's White Fragility, It's Michelle Obama's memoir.
It's a whole bunch of books about like an anti racist,
how to be an anti racist, books about you know,
white privilege and white you know, uh, white nationalism as
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the greatest threat, all this stuff. And so it's a
very mask heavy crowd. You know, a lot of masks generally.
I want to know. A Sunday, I don't know what
was going on line at twenty people to get their
oat milk. By the way, when did we decide that
the juice of oats is now milk? I am supposed
to be healthier. I don't mean the idea, I don't know.
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I mean people say it is. I will tell you,
I think it probably tastes a little better than almond milk.
So I guess we're gonna lose out on that almond
milk sponsor we were gonna have. But usually there's this
is a place where there's lot of masks. Not a
mask in the whole, not sitting down, not in line,
nowhere except the staff. They're all masked up. And I
wonder when people are going to just this this thing
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about the staff having to wear masks at different places
and establishments. It feels it wrong to me because I'm sorry,
I don't believe that these are people who are doing
it because they want to. I think they're being mandated to.
And I think the work from Home MSNBC watching Uber
Eats crowd is all too happy to have their food
delivered to them by people who are covering covering up
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their dirty germs. It's a cast system in play. I
don't think there's any doubt right now as it pertains
to masks, all right, But this John Gruden's story. One
of my big theories and ideas has been that over
the last decade, and I'm curious if you agree with me,
we have moved primarily from punishing actions to punishing words instead.
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And I think that's directly correlated with the rise of
social media, which, at least in the Twitter sphere where
the blue check brigade hangs out, makes words a premium.
And that was certainly the case with the Donald Trump,
where every time he sent a tweet, people would run
around like they're they were on five reacting to his
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tweet his words. And so I want to ask you
this question, there are no emails from John Gruden that
are inappropriate, that are allegedly homophobic, racist, sexist. If you
don't know this story. They were investigating the formerly named
Washington Redskins football team for issues related to the management,
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how they treated cheerleaders, how they treated different employees, and
so six hundred and fifty thousand emails were uncovered as
a part of this discovery process, and John Gruden was
found to have used gay slurs and emails and to
have allegedly used racist language to describe a black NFL
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players association. He called the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell,
a gay slur and an email. All of this came
out through discovery, not because John Gruden was being investigated,
and he resigned late last night as the head code
of the Oakland Raiders. John Gruden, formerly Monday Night Football analysts,
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one of buck probably the five or six people that
is most famous in the NFL for being a coach
and a prognosticator, not just one or the other. So
this is a big time luminescent star in the NFL landscape.
And I was thinking, I've been, I've been making this argument,
but I'm curious what you think about it. John Gruden
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gets a DUI or two DUIs is arrested for domestic assault, potentially,
I think he might keep his job with no issues. Well, yeah,
that's the standard we've seen on words versus actions, right, Yeah,
I mean there are people in the NFL who is
I mean, you know a lot more about some of
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the backgrounds of the players than I do. But people
have stabbed individuals, they have beaten wives and girlfriends, they
have engaged in felonious conduct, and they keep their jobs.
And it's seems to me that in this instance, first
of all, what was it I saw one hundred million
dollar contract over ten years for Gruden to be the
coach of the Raiders, which that's right, that's that's uh,
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that's that's not that's not chicken feed. Yeah, that's a
lot of money to throw at somebody, and for him
to lose his job based on things that he said
that were or i should say, wrote that he believed
to be private. Now, some of those things were obviously
in various up up to, by the way, buck a
decade ago. Yeah, some of those emails as far back
as a decade ago. I mean, some of them were
obviously in very bad taste. Also, language has evolved, I mean,
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depending on what we're talking about here, I believe there
were some words in there that were considered misogynistic. That um,
I think everybody would probably know that. Football players certainly
have used that word to describe each other and stuff.
You know. Yes, so there's different I think gradations of
seriousness of what the different terms used here are. But
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what really is So the victory is supposed to be
what what? What is the example we're supposed to take
if you ever write or text anything to anyone that
is un PC or over the line, by the way,
and some of the stuff is clearly over the line,
But if you ever do that and it ten years
later comes out, you lose your job, you get fired.
Is that that's the question. I think that's such an
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interesting question, right. And the NFL has got a inconsistent
standard here, buck because they just brought in a series
of rappers to perform at this year Super Bowl show,
and every single rapper that will be performing among them,
I think Eminem, Doctor Dre Snoop. I like a lot
of these guys, right. I may be a rarity in
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our audience in that I don't know if you liked
I particularly like nineteen nineties era rap early two thousands.
Did you were you like in every febrs? I tell
people this in New York City, you know, And I
went to Catholic school here in the city. Every dance
you went to, every school dance from nineteen ninety six
to two thousand, it was Biggie Nas j Pack constantly.
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I mean, jay Z, this is, this is this was
the soundtrack of life in cities for those you know,
in those mid delayed nineties, That's what everybody was listening to.
So I liked all that music, Like I understand people
out there like I hate rap music, Like I understand
everybody doesn't like the same music. I'm like you Buck,
I grew up with it all. So I think this
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all ties in so interestingly to the modern cancel culture
and how it is applied. Because every one of those rappers,
certainly a decade ago, and many of them more recently
than a decade ago, have flagrantly homophobic lyrics, have flagrantly
misogynistic lyrics inside of their rap songs. Yet the NFL
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is going to put them on their signature event in
front of over one hundred million people and say, hey,
you are as good of an entertainer as there is.
We're giving you the NFL stamp of approval, which is
what the Super Bowl is, right when you get the
opportunity to perform. So how does the NFL, And this
is the question that I think media buck, if they
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were doing their job, if they were actually speaking truth
to power, the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, would
be asked, why is it not allowable for John Gruden
to coach in your league because he used inappropriate language
up to a decade ago, But it's okay for you
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to bring in many rappers who are going to perform
with the impromatur of the NFL in front of a
hundred million people. And by the way, unlike Gruden, who
whether you agree or disagree with what he said, he
was saying it privately in an email, these rap lyrics
are broadcast worldwide for everybody to hear in a public spectacle.
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And so I think that's a really interesting question that
goes to these I mean, it's a question that we
know the answer to the answer is that Gruden his
toast and that other people will get away with what
they said. Yeah, the standard Cancel culture aren't evenly applied
in any stretch of the imagination. Right. We need to
understand though, or rather what we need to have a
fuller understanding of, I think is that this is part
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of Cancel culture. This is actually not This is not
something that they run away from. They believe in different
standards for different people because they believe in the hierarchies
of power, and so because there are people who inherently
fall somewhere in the hierarchy based upon immutable characteristics or
however it is that they set up what is essentially
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a either gender or racial Marxism or it comes from
a Marxist urge, that's how they view it. So they
actually view double standards as what they're trying to accomplish.
We say, hold on, this is unfair. They say, well,
of course, of course it's unfair, and we have the power,
we being the leftists in this case, to institute it
as we see fit. So while you know, Gruden, I mean,
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I will say, you gotta know you're you're a guy
at that that kind of high profile, and I know
that you'd say some of this was ten years ago.
You put this stuff in an email. You know, you
put it, you write it down, and you know, get it,
look and buck. The other thing I would say is
right now to your point on players who are eligible
to Shaun Watson, who is a quarterback for the Houston Texans,
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has been accused of sexual assault by twenty four different women.
Twenty four, not one, not two, twenty four. He's eligible
to play right now in the NFL. He's accepting and
getting his full salary. And John Gruden now is not
eligible to coach. One guy has been accused of sexually
assaulting twenty four different women. The other guy was a
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former coach of the Oakland Raiders once in an email.
The other one has some pretty significant accusations out there.
When wokeness is involved, there's no presumption of innocence, as
you know, that's how they do it. That's always the
way the left. And so the question I have for
you two going forward, and this is probably a good question.
We can have some people weigh in on one eight
hundred two A two two eight eight two. Should there
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be a statute of limitations in general on how far
back you can go to decide to try to cancel someone, right,
Like I when I see that it's an eleven year
old or ten year old email, I'm like, what is
the standard for cancelation? If we were just trying to
be fair, right, and you were gonna say, okay, society evolves,
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people evolve, everything else, would most people think it was
crazy that a ten year old email would cause you
your job. You're asking a movement in an ideology to
be reasonable that is rooted in the rejection of reasoning.
I'm just saying for for our like every norful people
like their statute of limitations on like lawsuits, right, if
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you uh, you know, if you are accusing someone of
I don't know of a civil violation, it might be
two years, it might be three years, whatever it is.
Because things change, and because memories fade and everything else,
and we don't think people should be held hostage forever.
But in the meantime, I'm curious what the answer is here.
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goes far beyond the pilots because it's not just airline pod. Sure,
there's airline pod speaking out and you're seeing it kind
of in the forefront of news, but it's the flight attendance,
it's the ground personnel, it's everyone who works for these
major airline corporations. My health and my medical choice is
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more important to me than my career at this point,
and I believe staying it up for this and all
the Americans who feel the same way I do, is
this my career is a small sacrifice. Welcome back to
Clay Travison buck Sexton Show. There you had an airline
pilot talking about why he is making the decision to
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not show up and essentially have a sick out strike.
Now that it's not officially a strike because there are
union rules. There are laws actually that prevent pilots from
doing it, so we know it's not officially a strike,
but is it a de facto collective action? Clay, we
got to drill drill down into this. And I'm are
there any pilots out there who can you know? You
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can call in, you can say your name is Bob,
you know whatever. You don't have to give us your name,
but there are pilots out there, and you know, obviously
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that they shut down Southwest flights for a day or two,
because Clay, right now, the CEO is saying, no, it
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was just you know, some mess ups. You buying it. No,
And first of all, let me say this. We want
to hear from pilots one eight hundred two eight two
two eight eight two. You can be anonymous. We're not
asking you to say, hey, I'm a you know, give
us your name and your badge number or something for Southwest.
But let me say this, I am I fly Southwest
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everywhere buck because I live in Nashville, and Southwest is
the primary airline that has service Nashville for basically the
last twenty years, and so I am on their airplanes
all the time. And I understand the frustration that comes
when your flights are getting canceled. But I have to
tell you I support these pilots as much as you
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
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of you hanging out with us. As we rolled through
the Tuesday edition of the program. We are balancing out
the width of the country here, Bucket, New York City.
I am out in Los Angeles, and there are a
lot of airline pilots in between all of these different
points in our country that are standing up against the
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concept of COVID vaccine mandates. And we opened up the
phone lines, Buck and said, we just want airline pilots
to call in particularly Southwest and explain to us exactly
what is going on here. The phone number as always
one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
And Buck, you've got the screener up in front of you.
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I think we have a lot of pilots who have
called it one of weigh in on this seat. We have.
We have some pilots we have some folks who also
want to weigh in on some of some of our
thoughts here on the Gruden case. Oh yeah, what's going
on there. Let's first get to our pilots, though, because
we asked for them. Steve down in Florida, an American
Airlines pilot, what's up, Steve, Hey, good afternoon, playing buck.
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How are you guys doing. Hey? Well, I just got
back off a four day trip with American Airlines, and
a lot of us are discussing what's going on into cockpit.
You've got quite a bit of time up there. Having
said that, I have recently said, sent about ten emails
to our CEO, Doug Parker, to the Robert Isom, to
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kimble Stone, to Chip Long, to our leadership in Miami,
and I've gotten crickets pretty much. I had one little
three liner saying, you know, thank you for your great
work and for taking care of our customers. But I
think would have boils down to the majority of pilots
in American Airlines the fact that a lot of us
have had that virus. I had it back in April.
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I gave to my wife and my daughter, and since then,
well since the beginning of it, all, I've done a
lot of reading. I'm military. I had antrax shoved into
my veins and now I definitely have these antibodies, and
I just think it's ridiculous and tyrannical overreach of the government.
So Steve, I got somebody I got to ask you,
do you do you believe? I mean, and if you
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want to give us a probability, that's fine. The explanation
you're the American Airlines, the explanation you've heard given by
and I mean we mentioned here on the air. The
Southwest Airline CEO has come out and said, oh, it
wasn't anyone staying out for any reason about the vaccine mandate,
it was because of air traffic control issues in Florida
or something. Do you buy that at all? Is that
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even vaguely possible in your mind? Or where are you
in your confidence level about what happened over the weekend
of Southwest I'm gonna give a couple of my Southwest
pilot of friends a phone call. But having heard the
news report saying that was a Jacksonville air traffic control
that shut down an entire sector of the Southwest flying
and that sounds highly improbable. I know, that with this
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lawsuit that Southwest is going forward, it's highly probable that
they're doing a little bit more maneuvering with their schedule.
And really, according to the Federal aviation regulations, we're not
allowed to go to work if we're not one hundred
percent fit for duty. So I'm finding myself less fit
for duty psychologically because of all this garbage that is
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being thrown out of What would you do, By the way,
we appreciate you calling if you are mandated to have
to get the vaccine and other pilots who I'm sure
you're friends with that you have talked to, do you
think it could become an issue for other airlines these
COVID vaccine mandates for pilots such as yourself. What choice
will you make? Right now? I just got off the
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phone about an hour ago with my union saying that
in light of the recent prosy Veritas uncovering that they've
been used in utilizing fetal parts in the testing and
the administration of this vaccine, I'm going to apply for
a religious exemption. I'm also weighing what I would do
with my family and my young daughters four years old
in my church because I think it's atrocius and I'm
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hoping that Rick Scott continues with this legislation or there's
a lawsuit also going forward on Wednesday, filed by some
United pilots against this mandate, and uh, I think there's
a lot going to happen. The fact that American airlines
chose November twenty fourth, the day before Thanksgiving, to have
everybody fully vaccinated, is a slap in our face. And
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I mentally, by the way, thank thank you for the fall.
That could be a disaster for air traffic. Buck. I
didn't know the deadline there, but you know how crazy
it is around the holidays anyway. Can you imagine if
a huge number of airline pilots call out right in
advance of Thanksgiving for health related reasons. Well, this is
why I think you also might see the federal government,
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which still hasn't rolled out what the ocean that's right,
we still don't really know. And everybody over one hundred
employees has to get the shot. But I also believe,
especially if we see a surgeon cases, if that actually
happens in the wintertime, and that's expected by a lot
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of folks we've been talking about it, I think it's
very likely that they will do the vaccine passport for
interstate travel on planes, and they're going to do it
right before the holidays. You can already hear you know,
whether it's doctor when or some of the others that
are appearing on TV a lot saying sorry, you have
no right to travel and this is about health and safety.
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So just think about we have these issues, clay travel issues.
We also have the supply chain issues coming to a
head for this holiday season. This could be a really frustrating,
economically painful, rage inducing because of all the bureaucracy and
all the regulation and nonsense holiday at a time when
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the Biden administration cannot afford the public to see just
how incompetent and stupid they are, beyond what they're already seeing.
John in Key Largo, Florida. Another major airline pilot. John,
what's up? John? I guess he's not there. Sean in Missouri,
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another pilot for another company. What's going on? Sean? Oh?
What happened? Sean? You're talking to a lot of people
on the radio, Sir, what's on your mind? Okay? Can
you hear me? We got you? Hello? Okay, what's up?
We went back to John. Okay, yeah, I'm John John's here.
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Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you, okay, Hey,
the only just want to let you know. Yeah, I
actually worked for Delta Alliance on a captain with them,
and um uh Delta we the company decided that they're
gonna give us, uh, you're gonna pay two hundred dollars
each paycheck if you didn't get the vaccine because it
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costs fifty thousand dollars per person once they get the
h once you get COVID. But and but so that
was one way, and we have had a lot of
pilots come over and get the vaccine because they don't
want to pay four hundred dollars a month towards you're
talking about insurance premium increase if you're not getting vaccinated. Yeah,
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it's yeah, it's actually it's it's like a charge for it. Yes. Yeah.
So well that worked pretty well over a Delta and
I have my vaccine. I was out for fifteen months
because I am of asthma, and so as soon as
the vaccine was available, I went and got it and
then I went back to work. Do you buy? Do
you buy? The excuse started to cut you off, but
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you're a pilot. When you see Southwest having the issues
that they're having and there are no major weather related
conditions of a substantial nature, do you think this is
directly related to COVID vaccination issues with Southwest pilots. Well,
the president of their union said that it was not
that the sick leave is still the same, it hasn't
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gone up. I think it's a mismanagement on the company.
They just didn't a free route correctly and all that,
and it wass the Jacksonville that shutdown because I flew yesterday. Okay,
so it's apparently you know, so we have one pilot
saying and it's major mismanagement. Look, I mean, Clay, you know,
there's there's some things that when someone will talk about
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different functions that the governmental they'll say that something happened
over at the National Security Council or whatever. I can
kind of say whether it's BS or not. I don't
know about air traffic control stuff, but I do find
this whole thing very very suspicious that all of a
sudden this comes up and you have just Southwest with
two thousand flights getting canceled over the weekend. I want
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to hear from Southwest pilots. I know, we got a
bunch of pilots that wanted to weigh in, but there
have to be anonymous Southwest pilots out there listening to
us right now that can give us the real guts,
the real the real juice here on what's going We
got to you got tons of them, because I mean, look,
if for some reason it isn't what we thought, which
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was that this scene to be a sick out situation,
a collective action pilots who are saying enough is enough,
and people say, how could they do that? Oh, it's
pretty easy. A bunch of people decide they're going to
text or email each other, it spreads from there and
they decide they're going to stay home. It wouldn't be
that hard to do. But if that's not what happened,
we need to know that too, because people are looking
at this saying, all right, this is the turning of
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the tide. The mandate's gone too far. If Southwest has
ninety nine point five percent of their pilots vaccinated in
the next few weeks, we're gonna know that that's not
what is going on. So I do want to track
this down. I mean, I'm still with you. It just
doesn't add upt to me. I don't buy what the
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you about perhaps the most cringe inducing video involving Kamala
Harris who have ever made its way into the public domain,
Which is saying a lot I might add, but it is.
It is wow. There are child actors involved. There's oh
my gosh, look at the crators. Look at the crators.
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I'm like, who is that excited about craters on the moon?
These kids have video games. These kids have seen much
cooler stuff than the craters on the moon. If you
don't know what I'm talking about, you will you have
to stick around. It's amazing how the media. I mean,
the top minds of you know, lib propaganda and Democrat
media are working to try to convince more people in
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America to like Kamala Harris. I mean, that's really what
this is about. They're trying to make her a candidate
that would actually be able to take over for Biden
either in his next term in their mind. Don't start
yelling at me about how Trump's going to win the
next I'm just saying this is their strategy, and it
did not work on this one. Also, we've got Texas
Governor Greg Abbott stepping up and doing something that I
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believe I said should be done back in August, which
is states taking action to defend against private vaccine mandates
by companies because I knew they would use companies as
a cat's paw against individuals. At least one governor listens. Yeay,
So that's good news. Jared in Alabama is a Southwest pilot,
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exactly what we have been looking for to weigh in here. Jared,
thanks for calling in, Hey, thank you for having me.
This is this is my eib hat trick. I never
I never thought I'd have to do it. Sminded talking
about this subject, but they're glad to be here. Hey,
I wanted to point out a couple of things here
because first off, let me get to write to the
overall sentiment. You know, is this some sort of you
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know they basically, yes, what you're seeing is true. This
is you are seeing pushback. Don't doubt it for a second.
So there are Southwest pilots that are trying to push
back against the mandate. You know this to be true, absolutely,
But I also want to be perfectly accurate. There was
no conspiratorial job action that has been discussed, initiated, voted on,
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nothing like that whatsoever. What you're seeing is kind of
a perfect influence of conditions coming together for a perfect storm.
Yet the airline did suffer mality this last week with
air traffic control, and we're not a traditional hub and
spoke carrier, so for us, things reverberate in a different way,
and unfortunately it just happened to be a perfect sequence
of event. But with that combined, there are a consi
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considerable amount of pilots that are not taking this vaccine.
Many of them are willing to give their jobs a
way if they have to, especially the more senior captains
I've flown with many lately that are willing to go.
And what's happening here is our sick time and all
the benefits. A lot of stuff gets left on the
table when you're tired if you don't use it. So
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sort of out of a just in case mindset, they're
starting to pick up trips call in and start kind
of clawing into their time. Why they can and convert
it to dollars? Why while they still can just in case?
This you know this is not over and I think
when is the death storry to cut you off? This
is fascinating, Jared, thanks for calling in. When is the
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deadline by which Southwest pilots would be required to be vaccinated?
Is there one set yet? Yes, and that in last
week that came out, and they are giving us the
opportunity to file for religious or a medical exemption. They've
sent out a form now which is very tedious. But
yet there is a deadline to upload your COVID vaccination
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card if you fail to do so, and there's actually
it's a there's a couple of dates in there. If
you fail to do so, it's going to ultimately initiate
a process. Um and you know my understanding that process.
It's not hard and bath it's gonna you know, it's
a couple of the sit downs and reviews, and they're
gonna keep give you all kinds of opportunities to at
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the last second, so to speak, take this thing and
end its. Based on your interaction with other pilots, what
percentage and I know it's just anecdotal, but what percentage
of pilots do you think are opposed to the vaccine
mandate at Southwest Airlines? I think you're easily easily over
in terms of Yeah, I think you're well over fifty sixty.
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And keep in mind most of the ones I've I've
spoken to a lot of people that are vaccinated, and
they don't care about vaccinated, not vaccinated, take it, don't
take it. They care about the mandate. Right, Yeah, it's
about the freedom issue. We understand. We get you on that. Jared,
Thank you so much for calling in as a Southwest pilot.
One more Southwest pilot before we got to come back
and talk about the Texas anti mandate mandate, which I love.
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Don't mess with Texas. Terry in Florida, another Southwest pilot,
what's up, hey, quin Book, Thanks for from me on
and thanks for your service or our country by talking
about some of the stuff. Heyl had to echo what
Jared had to say about that to add a little
bit of context to that. So, as you know, huge
impacts to the airline industry Southwest, which searching for new revenue,
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opened up a bunch of new stations that kind of
stretched our network really stint and because of that and
with people taking voluntarily even retiring early and fight at tennis,
multitude of factors, rampers, opstagens, all of those factors come
Pillett and made the perfect storm a bunch of death
by thousand cuts basically. So it's multiple factors. Is that
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that's that this is the club, So it's some people
are staying out, but there are stresses on the system.
So it's almost like there's some truth to both sides
of this. Is that where we are yes and I'm Sam,
I'm actually seeking a religious exemption through Southwest to try
to keep a job there, but I'm not gonna get
the vaccine. Just listen to a new England Generald Medicine
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podcast last night came out for Wednesday, were equally update anyway,
they have more questions than answers about this thing. So
thanks so much, Ferry. Look, Christ, yeah right, we're gonna
come back. I mean, this is what we this is
the great thing. That's because of the reach of the show.
We can get you know, we could ask for, you know,
an expert in fifth century you know, Ptolomaic Egyptology or something,
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and we get somebody on in about thirty seconds. Um,
we'll come back in just a moment here talking about
the Texas anti mandate mandate play and are gonna be
rocking with you. Stick around. You're listening to Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton on the EIB Network.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Hope all of you are having a fantastic Tuesday. I
hope you had a good Columbus Day aka Indigenous People's Day.
As the Joe Biden administration let us know the Indigenous
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people obviously clamoring for a day for a long time. Now.
We got a bunch of different stories. I hope buck
Sexton held down the ship yesterday. Airline pilots at Southwest
continue to become the most public opponents of the idea
of mandatory vaccinations. We've got John Gruden, who is a
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head coach at the Oakland Raiders out at the as
a head coach for much of the emails that have
been years old that were uncovered as part of an
investigation in the fl that did not involve John Gruden.
I'm actually curious if we can come up with a
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theme or idea that makes sense going forward when it
comes to cancel culture vaccine mandates under siege. Doctor Fouci
has come out and said I know that a little
over a week ago, I said, you may not be
able to spend Christmas with your families. But now I
want all of you to know it's okay to go
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out and trick or treat. I know my family was
very excited, particularly my kids, to get doctor Fouci's blessing
that they can walk around and trick or treat. We
got the potential next governor of the state of Virginia,
governor potentially Young Ken who was going to be on
with us at one thirty Eastern. And we got MSNBC
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and CNN insanity over whether people like Van Jones and
Sage Steele, even though they may be black, may or
may not be black voices. All of this coming together
in a crescendo of idiocy. Buck, what I would say
I am proud of as I sit here in La.
Thank you for holding down the ship. Yesterday, as I
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was traveling and running around, I managed to walk into
a local coffee shop in La yesterday, Buck and get
a coffee without wearing a mask. And I felt like
a monster rebel. I was the only person in the
whole place who was doing it, but I took it
as some small measure of vindication. I think Governor Gavin
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Newsom probably has the California State troopers within all sartin
for me bulletin trying to find you. They got a
bolo be on the lookout for Travis after your super
Spreader event in the Starbucks. Of course, you know, I'll
tell you even here in New York over the weekend,
I went into the coffee shop on my corner. And
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I might have mentioned this before on the show when
I tell you they have a reading section, because it's
that kind of a coffee shop. Oh yeah, And the
books are and I'm it's White Fragility, It's Michelle Obama's memoir.
It's a whole bunch of books about like an anti racist,
how to be an anti racist, books about you know,
white privilege and white you know, uh, white nationalism as
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the greatest threat, all this stuff. And so it's a
very mask heavy crowd. You know, a lot of masks generally.
I want to know. A Sunday, I don't know what
was going on line at twenty people to get their
oat milk. By the way, when did we decide that
the juice of oats is now milk? I am supposed
to be healthier. I don't mean the idea, I don't know.
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I mean people say it is. I will tell you,
I think it probably tastes a little better than almond milk.
So I guess we're gonna lose out on that almond
milk sponsor we were gonna have. But usually there's this
is a place where there's lot of masks. Not a
mask in the whole, not sitting down, not in line,
nowhere except the staff. They're all masked up. And I
wonder when people are going to just this this thing
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about the staff having to wear masks at different places
and establishments. It feels it wrong to me because I'm sorry,
I don't believe that these are people who are doing
it because they want to. I think they're being mandated to.
And I think the work from Home MSNBC watching Uber
Eats crowd is all too happy to have their food
delivered to them by people who are covering covering up
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their dirty germs. It's a cast system in play. I
don't think there's any doubt right now as it pertains
to masks, all right, But this John Gruden's story. One
of my big theories and ideas has been that over
the last decade, and I'm curious if you agree with me,
we have moved primarily from punishing actions to punishing words instead.
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And I think that's directly correlated with the rise of
social media, which, at least in the Twitter sphere where
the blue check brigade hangs out, makes words a premium.
And that was certainly the case with the Donald Trump,
where every time he sent a tweet, people would run
around like they're they were on five reacting to his
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tweet his words. And so I want to ask you
this question, there are no emails from John Gruden that
are inappropriate, that are allegedly homophobic, racist, sexist. If you
don't know this story. They were investigating the formerly named
Washington Redskins football team for issues related to the management,
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how they treated cheerleaders, how they treated different employees, and
so six hundred and fifty thousand emails were uncovered as
a part of this discovery process, and John Gruden was
found to have used gay slurs and emails and to
have allegedly used racist language to describe a black NFL
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players association. He called the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell,
a gay slur and an email. All of this came
out through discovery, not because John Gruden was being investigated,
and he resigned late last night as the head code
of the Oakland Raiders. John Gruden, formerly Monday Night Football analysts,
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one of buck probably the five or six people that
is most famous in the NFL for being a coach
and a prognosticator, not just one or the other. So
this is a big time luminescent star in the NFL landscape.
And I was thinking, I've been, I've been making this argument,
but I'm curious what you think about it. John Gruden
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gets a DUI or two DUIs is arrested for domestic assault, potentially,
I think he might keep his job with no issues. Well, yeah,
that's the standard we've seen on words versus actions, right, Yeah,
I mean there are people in the NFL who is
I mean, you know a lot more about some of
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the backgrounds of the players than I do. But people
have stabbed individuals, they have beaten wives and girlfriends, they
have engaged in felonious conduct, and they keep their jobs.
And it's seems to me that in this instance, first
of all, what was it I saw one hundred million
dollar contract over ten years for Gruden to be the
coach of the Raiders, which that's right, that's that's uh,
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that's that's not that's not chicken feed. Yeah, that's a
lot of money to throw at somebody, and for him
to lose his job based on things that he said
that were or i should say, wrote that he believed
to be private. Now, some of those things were obviously
in various up up to, by the way, buck a
decade ago. Yeah, some of those emails as far back
as a decade ago. I mean, some of them were
obviously in very bad taste. Also, language has evolved, I mean,
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depending on what we're talking about here, I believe there
were some words in there that were considered misogynistic. That um,
I think everybody would probably know that. Football players certainly
have used that word to describe each other and stuff.
You know. Yes, so there's different I think gradations of
seriousness of what the different terms used here are. But
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what really is So the victory is supposed to be
what what? What is the example we're supposed to take
if you ever write or text anything to anyone that
is un PC or over the line, by the way,
and some of the stuff is clearly over the line,
But if you ever do that and it ten years
later comes out, you lose your job, you get fired.
Is that that's the question. I think that's such an
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interesting question, right. And the NFL has got a inconsistent
standard here, buck because they just brought in a series
of rappers to perform at this year Super Bowl show,
and every single rapper that will be performing among them,
I think Eminem, Doctor Dre Snoop. I like a lot
of these guys, right. I may be a rarity in
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our audience in that I don't know if you liked
I particularly like nineteen nineties era rap early two thousands.
Did you were you like in every febrs? I tell
people this in New York City, you know, And I
went to Catholic school here in the city. Every dance
you went to, every school dance from nineteen ninety six
to two thousand, it was Biggie Nas j Pack constantly.
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I mean, jay Z, this is, this is this was
the soundtrack of life in cities for those you know,
in those mid delayed nineties, That's what everybody was listening to.
So I liked all that music, Like I understand people
out there like I hate rap music, Like I understand
everybody doesn't like the same music. I'm like you Buck,
I grew up with it all. So I think this
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all ties in so interestingly to the modern cancel culture
and how it is applied. Because every one of those rappers,
certainly a decade ago, and many of them more recently
than a decade ago, have flagrantly homophobic lyrics, have flagrantly
misogynistic lyrics inside of their rap songs. Yet the NFL
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is going to put them on their signature event in
front of over one hundred million people and say, hey,
you are as good of an entertainer as there is.
We're giving you the NFL stamp of approval, which is
what the Super Bowl is, right when you get the
opportunity to perform. So how does the NFL, And this
is the question that I think media buck, if they
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were doing their job, if they were actually speaking truth
to power, the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell, would
be asked, why is it not allowable for John Gruden
to coach in your league because he used inappropriate language
up to a decade ago, But it's okay for you
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to bring in many rappers who are going to perform
with the impromatur of the NFL in front of a
hundred million people. And by the way, unlike Gruden, who
whether you agree or disagree with what he said, he
was saying it privately in an email, these rap lyrics
are broadcast worldwide for everybody to hear in a public spectacle.
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And so I think that's a really interesting question that
goes to these I mean, it's a question that we
know the answer to the answer is that Gruden his
toast and that other people will get away with what
they said. Yeah, the standard Cancel culture aren't evenly applied
in any stretch of the imagination. Right. We need to
understand though, or rather what we need to have a
fuller understanding of, I think is that this is part
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of Cancel culture. This is actually not This is not
something that they run away from. They believe in different
standards for different people because they believe in the hierarchies
of power, and so because there are people who inherently
fall somewhere in the hierarchy based upon immutable characteristics or
however it is that they set up what is essentially
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a either gender or racial Marxism or it comes from
a Marxist urge, that's how they view it. So they
actually view double standards as what they're trying to accomplish.
We say, hold on, this is unfair. They say, well,
of course, of course it's unfair, and we have the power,
we being the leftists in this case, to institute it
as we see fit. So while you know, Gruden, I mean,
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I will say, you gotta know you're you're a guy
at that that kind of high profile, and I know
that you'd say some of this was ten years ago.
You put this stuff in an email. You know, you
put it, you write it down, and you know, get it,
look and buck. The other thing I would say is
right now to your point on players who are eligible
to Shaun Watson, who is a quarterback for the Houston Texans,
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has been accused of sexual assault by twenty four different women.
Twenty four, not one, not two, twenty four. He's eligible
to play right now in the NFL. He's accepting and
getting his full salary. And John Gruden now is not
eligible to coach. One guy has been accused of sexually
assaulting twenty four different women. The other guy was a
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former coach of the Oakland Raiders once in an email.
The other one has some pretty significant accusations out there.
When wokeness is involved, there's no presumption of innocence, as
you know, that's how they do it. That's always the
way the left. And so the question I have for
you two going forward, and this is probably a good question.
We can have some people weigh in on one eight
hundred two A two two eight eight two. Should there
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be a statute of limitations in general on how far
back you can go to decide to try to cancel someone, right,
Like I when I see that it's an eleven year
old or ten year old email, I'm like, what is
the standard for cancelation? If we were just trying to
be fair, right, and you were gonna say, okay, society evolves,
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people evolve, everything else, would most people think it was
crazy that a ten year old email would cause you
your job. You're asking a movement in an ideology to
be reasonable that is rooted in the rejection of reasoning.
I'm just saying for for our like every norful people
like their statute of limitations on like lawsuits, right, if
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you uh, you know, if you are accusing someone of
I don't know of a civil violation, it might be
two years, it might be three years, whatever it is.
Because things change, and because memories fade and everything else,
and we don't think people should be held hostage forever.
But in the meantime, I'm curious what the answer is here.
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there's airline pod speaking out and you're seeing it kind
of in the forefront of news, but it's the flight attendance,
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major airline corporations. My health and my medical choice is
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more important to me than my career at this point,
and I believe staying it up for this and all
the Americans who feel the same way I do, is
this my career is a small sacrifice. Welcome back to
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pilot talking about why he is making the decision to
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not show up and essentially have a sick out strike.
Now that it's not officially a strike because there are
union rules. There are laws actually that prevent pilots from
doing it, so we know it's not officially a strike,
but is it a de facto collective action? Clay, we
got to drill drill down into this. And I'm are
there any pilots out there who can you know? You
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can call in, you can say your name is Bob,
you know whatever. You don't have to give us your name,
but there are pilots out there, and you know, obviously
we only want people who really are pilots or anybody
who's part of the airline who's been staying out of
this stuff, please call us eight hundred two a two
two eight two. I mean staying out of work so
that they shut down Southwest flights for a day or two,
because Clay, right now, the CEO is saying, no, it
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was just you know, some mess ups. You buying it. No,
And first of all, let me say this. We want
to hear from pilots one eight hundred two eight two
two eight eight two. You can be anonymous. We're not
asking you to say, hey, I'm a you know, give
us your name and your badge number or something for Southwest.
But let me say this, I am I fly Southwest
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everywhere buck because I live in Nashville, and Southwest is
the primary airline that has service Nashville for basically the
last twenty years, and so I am on their airplanes
all the time. And I understand the frustration that comes
when your flights are getting canceled. But I have to
tell you I support these pilots as much as you
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of you hanging out with us. As we rolled through
the Tuesday edition of the program. We are balancing out
the width of the country here, Bucket, New York City.
I am out in Los Angeles, and there are a
lot of airline pilots in between all of these different
points in our country that are standing up against the
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concept of COVID vaccine mandates. And we opened up the
phone lines, Buck and said, we just want airline pilots
to call in particularly Southwest and explain to us exactly
what is going on here. The phone number as always
one eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two.
And Buck, you've got the screener up in front of you.
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I think we have a lot of pilots who have
called it one of weigh in on this seat. We have.
We have some pilots we have some folks who also
want to weigh in on some of some of our
thoughts here on the Gruden case. Oh yeah, what's going
on there. Let's first get to our pilots, though, because
we asked for them. Steve down in Florida, an American
Airlines pilot, what's up, Steve, Hey, good afternoon, playing buck.
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How are you guys doing. Hey? Well, I just got
back off a four day trip with American Airlines, and
a lot of us are discussing what's going on into cockpit.
You've got quite a bit of time up there. Having
said that, I have recently said, sent about ten emails
to our CEO, Doug Parker, to the Robert Isom, to
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kimble Stone, to Chip Long, to our leadership in Miami,
and I've gotten crickets pretty much. I had one little
three liner saying, you know, thank you for your great
work and for taking care of our customers. But I
think would have boils down to the majority of pilots
in American Airlines the fact that a lot of us
have had that virus. I had it back in April.
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I gave to my wife and my daughter, and since then,
well since the beginning of it, all, I've done a
lot of reading. I'm military. I had antrax shoved into
my veins and now I definitely have these antibodies, and
I just think it's ridiculous and tyrannical overreach of the government.
So Steve, I got somebody I got to ask you,
do you do you believe? I mean, and if you
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want to give us a probability, that's fine. The explanation
you're the American Airlines, the explanation you've heard given by
and I mean we mentioned here on the air. The
Southwest Airline CEO has come out and said, oh, it
wasn't anyone staying out for any reason about the vaccine mandate,
it was because of air traffic control issues in Florida
or something. Do you buy that at all? Is that
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even vaguely possible in your mind? Or where are you
in your confidence level about what happened over the weekend
of Southwest I'm gonna give a couple of my Southwest
pilot of friends a phone call. But having heard the
news report saying that was a Jacksonville air traffic control
that shut down an entire sector of the Southwest flying
and that sounds highly improbable. I know, that with this
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lawsuit that Southwest is going forward, it's highly probable that
they're doing a little bit more maneuvering with their schedule.
And really, according to the Federal aviation regulations, we're not
allowed to go to work if we're not one hundred
percent fit for duty. So I'm finding myself less fit
for duty psychologically because of all this garbage that is
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being thrown out of What would you do, By the way,
we appreciate you calling if you are mandated to have
to get the vaccine and other pilots who I'm sure
you're friends with that you have talked to, do you
think it could become an issue for other airlines these
COVID vaccine mandates for pilots such as yourself. What choice
will you make? Right now? I just got off the
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phone about an hour ago with my union saying that
in light of the recent prosy Veritas uncovering that they've
been used in utilizing fetal parts in the testing and
the administration of this vaccine, I'm going to apply for
a religious exemption. I'm also weighing what I would do
with my family and my young daughters four years old
in my church because I think it's atrocius and I'm
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hoping that Rick Scott continues with this legislation or there's
a lawsuit also going forward on Wednesday, filed by some
United pilots against this mandate, and uh, I think there's
a lot going to happen. The fact that American airlines
chose November twenty fourth, the day before Thanksgiving, to have
everybody fully vaccinated, is a slap in our face. And
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I mentally, by the way, thank thank you for the fall.
That could be a disaster for air traffic. Buck. I
didn't know the deadline there, but you know how crazy
it is around the holidays anyway. Can you imagine if
a huge number of airline pilots call out right in
advance of Thanksgiving for health related reasons. Well, this is
why I think you also might see the federal government,
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which still hasn't rolled out what the ocean that's right,
we still don't really know. And everybody over one hundred
employees has to get the shot. But I also believe,
especially if we see a surgeon cases, if that actually
happens in the wintertime, and that's expected by a lot
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of folks we've been talking about it, I think it's
very likely that they will do the vaccine passport for
interstate travel on planes, and they're going to do it
right before the holidays. You can already hear you know,
whether it's doctor when or some of the others that
are appearing on TV a lot saying sorry, you have
no right to travel and this is about health and safety.
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So just think about we have these issues, clay travel issues.
We also have the supply chain issues coming to a
head for this holiday season. This could be a really frustrating,
economically painful, rage inducing because of all the bureaucracy and
all the regulation and nonsense holiday at a time when
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the Biden administration cannot afford the public to see just
how incompetent and stupid they are, beyond what they're already seeing.
John in Key Largo, Florida. Another major airline pilot. John,
what's up? John? I guess he's not there. Sean in Missouri,
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another pilot for another company. What's going on? Sean? Oh?
What happened? Sean? You're talking to a lot of people
on the radio, Sir, what's on your mind? Okay? Can
you hear me? We got you? Hello? Okay, what's up?
We went back to John. Okay, yeah, I'm John John's here.
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Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you, okay, Hey,
the only just want to let you know. Yeah, I
actually worked for Delta Alliance on a captain with them,
and um uh Delta we the company decided that they're
gonna give us, uh, you're gonna pay two hundred dollars
each paycheck if you didn't get the vaccine because it
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costs fifty thousand dollars per person once they get the
h once you get COVID. But and but so that
was one way, and we have had a lot of
pilots come over and get the vaccine because they don't
want to pay four hundred dollars a month towards you're
talking about insurance premium increase if you're not getting vaccinated. Yeah,
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it's yeah, it's actually it's it's like a charge for it. Yes. Yeah.
So well that worked pretty well over a Delta and
I have my vaccine. I was out for fifteen months
because I am of asthma, and so as soon as
the vaccine was available, I went and got it and
then I went back to work. Do you buy? Do
you buy? The excuse started to cut you off, but
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you're a pilot. When you see Southwest having the issues
that they're having and there are no major weather related
conditions of a substantial nature, do you think this is
directly related to COVID vaccination issues with Southwest pilots. Well,
the president of their union said that it was not
that the sick leave is still the same, it hasn't
(26:54):
gone up. I think it's a mismanagement on the company.
They just didn't a free route correctly and all that,
and it wass the Jacksonville that shutdown because I flew yesterday. Okay,
so it's apparently you know, so we have one pilot
saying and it's major mismanagement. Look, I mean, Clay, you know,
there's there's some things that when someone will talk about
(27:15):
different functions that the governmental they'll say that something happened
over at the National Security Council or whatever. I can
kind of say whether it's BS or not. I don't
know about air traffic control stuff, but I do find
this whole thing very very suspicious that all of a
sudden this comes up and you have just Southwest with
two thousand flights getting canceled over the weekend. I want
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to hear from Southwest pilots. I know, we got a
bunch of pilots that wanted to weigh in, but there
have to be anonymous Southwest pilots out there listening to
us right now that can give us the real guts,
the real the real juice here on what's going We
got to you got tons of them, because I mean, look,
if for some reason it isn't what we thought, which
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was that this scene to be a sick out situation,
a collective action pilots who are saying enough is enough,
and people say, how could they do that? Oh, it's
pretty easy. A bunch of people decide they're going to
text or email each other, it spreads from there and
they decide they're going to stay home. It wouldn't be
that hard to do. But if that's not what happened,
we need to know that too, because people are looking
at this saying, all right, this is the turning of
(28:20):
the tide. The mandate's gone too far. If Southwest has
ninety nine point five percent of their pilots vaccinated in
the next few weeks, we're gonna know that that's not
what is going on. So I do want to track
this down. I mean, I'm still with you. It just
doesn't add upt to me. I don't buy what the
CEO is saying, but let's drill down into this and
find out for sure. Sandra and Minnesota wrote to us
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back to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Coming
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up in the next hour. We will be talking to
you about perhaps the most cringe inducing video involving Kamala
Harris who have ever made its way into the public domain,
Which is saying a lot I might add, but it is.
It is wow. There are child actors involved. There's oh
my gosh, look at the crators. Look at the crators.
(30:26):
I'm like, who is that excited about craters on the moon?
These kids have video games. These kids have seen much
cooler stuff than the craters on the moon. If you
don't know what I'm talking about, you will you have
to stick around. It's amazing how the media. I mean,
the top minds of you know, lib propaganda and Democrat
media are working to try to convince more people in
(30:49):
America to like Kamala Harris. I mean, that's really what
this is about. They're trying to make her a candidate
that would actually be able to take over for Biden
either in his next term in their mind. Don't start
yelling at me about how Trump's going to win the
next I'm just saying this is their strategy, and it
did not work on this one. Also, we've got Texas
Governor Greg Abbott stepping up and doing something that I
(31:11):
believe I said should be done back in August, which
is states taking action to defend against private vaccine mandates
by companies because I knew they would use companies as
a cat's paw against individuals. At least one governor listens. Yeay,
So that's good news. Jared in Alabama is a Southwest pilot,
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exactly what we have been looking for to weigh in here. Jared,
thanks for calling in, Hey, thank you for having me.
This is this is my eib hat trick. I never
I never thought I'd have to do it. Sminded talking
about this subject, but they're glad to be here. Hey,
I wanted to point out a couple of things here
because first off, let me get to write to the
overall sentiment. You know, is this some sort of you
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know they basically, yes, what you're seeing is true. This
is you are seeing pushback. Don't doubt it for a second.
So there are Southwest pilots that are trying to push
back against the mandate. You know this to be true, absolutely,
But I also want to be perfectly accurate. There was
no conspiratorial job action that has been discussed, initiated, voted on,
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nothing like that whatsoever. What you're seeing is kind of
a perfect influence of conditions coming together for a perfect storm.
Yet the airline did suffer mality this last week with
air traffic control, and we're not a traditional hub and
spoke carrier, so for us, things reverberate in a different way,
and unfortunately it just happened to be a perfect sequence
of event. But with that combined, there are a consi
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considerable amount of pilots that are not taking this vaccine.
Many of them are willing to give their jobs a
way if they have to, especially the more senior captains
I've flown with many lately that are willing to go.
And what's happening here is our sick time and all
the benefits. A lot of stuff gets left on the
table when you're tired if you don't use it. So
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sort of out of a just in case mindset, they're
starting to pick up trips call in and start kind
of clawing into their time. Why they can and convert
it to dollars? Why while they still can just in case?
This you know this is not over and I think
when is the death storry to cut you off? This
is fascinating, Jared, thanks for calling in. When is the
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deadline by which Southwest pilots would be required to be vaccinated?
Is there one set yet? Yes, and that in last
week that came out, and they are giving us the
opportunity to file for religious or a medical exemption. They've
sent out a form now which is very tedious. But
yet there is a deadline to upload your COVID vaccination
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card if you fail to do so, and there's actually
it's a there's a couple of dates in there. If
you fail to do so, it's going to ultimately initiate
a process. Um and you know my understanding that process.
It's not hard and bath it's gonna you know, it's
a couple of the sit downs and reviews, and they're
gonna keep give you all kinds of opportunities to at
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the last second, so to speak, take this thing and
end its. Based on your interaction with other pilots, what
percentage and I know it's just anecdotal, but what percentage
of pilots do you think are opposed to the vaccine
mandate at Southwest Airlines? I think you're easily easily over
in terms of Yeah, I think you're well over fifty sixty.
(34:38):
And keep in mind most of the ones I've I've
spoken to a lot of people that are vaccinated, and
they don't care about vaccinated, not vaccinated, take it, don't
take it. They care about the mandate. Right, Yeah, it's
about the freedom issue. We understand. We get you on that. Jared,
Thank you so much for calling in as a Southwest pilot.
One more Southwest pilot before we got to come back
and talk about the Texas anti mandate mandate, which I love.
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Don't mess with Texas. Terry in Florida, another Southwest pilot,
what's up, hey, quin Book, Thanks for from me on
and thanks for your service or our country by talking
about some of the stuff. Heyl had to echo what
Jared had to say about that to add a little
bit of context to that. So, as you know, huge
impacts to the airline industry Southwest, which searching for new revenue,
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opened up a bunch of new stations that kind of
stretched our network really stint and because of that and
with people taking voluntarily even retiring early and fight at tennis,
multitude of factors, rampers, opstagens, all of those factors come
Pillett and made the perfect storm a bunch of death
by thousand cuts basically. So it's multiple factors. Is that
(35:43):
that's that this is the club, So it's some people
are staying out, but there are stresses on the system.
So it's almost like there's some truth to both sides
of this. Is that where we are yes and I'm Sam,
I'm actually seeking a religious exemption through Southwest to try
to keep a job there, but I'm not gonna get
the vaccine. Just listen to a new England Generald Medicine
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podcast last night came out for Wednesday, were equally update anyway,
they have more questions than answers about this thing. So
thanks so much, Ferry. Look, Christ, yeah right, we're gonna
come back. I mean, this is what we this is
the great thing. That's because of the reach of the show.
We can get you know, we could ask for, you know,
an expert in fifth century you know, Ptolomaic Egyptology or something,
(36:24):
and we get somebody on in about thirty seconds. Um,
we'll come back in just a moment here talking about
the Texas anti mandate mandate play and are gonna be
rocking with you. Stick around. You're listening to Clay Travis
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