November 23, 2021 • 36 mins
Kyle Rittenhouse blasts his former attorneys, including Lin Wood, in Tucker Carlson Interview. The teen said he was “taken advantage” of and is now battling with his former representation for $2 million in funds raised to post his bond. Have MSNBC's executives reached their breaking point? Are Clay and Buck on Joy Reid's hate list yet? They hope so! Record number of container ships outside Long Beach harbor. Will Cain, co-host of Fox & Friends Weekend, joins the show to talk with C&B about the media's appalling coverage of Rittenhouse and the WTA standing up to China. Clay raves: The new Ghostbusters film is fantastic! Buck is going to see it. Great family film for the Thanksgiving weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number three Tuesday edition.
I am Clay Travis, he is Bucks Sexton. I know
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I know that a lot of you in the past
several decades became very fond of Russian Lumbaugh's Thanksgiving special.
We are going to have James Golden on with us.
We will do our best to honor Rush's legacy and
also continue to spread the tradition that so many of
you hold so fondly for this show. I want to
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let you know that we will be with you tomorrow
as a part of that be off on Thanksgiving, we'll
have a best of and then Buck is going to
be in on Friday with a live show while I
will be hanging out with my family. Appreciate him being
here for that Friday. So that is the roadmap for
the rest of the week for everybody out there just
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getting in your car. I hope that a lot of
you had an opportunity so far to listen to Kyle
Rittenhouse his interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News last night.
Fantastic examination of the case and also of Kyle Rittenhouse himself.
One of the questions, by the way, let me let
you also know, we're going to be joined by Will Kine,
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a friend of both fucking minds, at the midway point
of this hour, just after two thirty Eastern. One of
the big topics that has been out there has been
what sort of legal recourse does Kyle Rittenhouse have now
that he has been found not guilty of murder by
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virtue of self defense, given all of the insults and
all of the lies that have been spread by him
in the mainstream media, by politicians, by MSNBC, by CNN,
by the New York Times and the Washington Post. I'm
gonna get into that in a moment, but first here
is a cut from Kyle Rittenhouse talking about the legal
representation he had and the fact he says they left
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him in jail while they raised money, he says, for
their own benefit. This has cut one eighty seven days
of not being with my family for defending myself and
being taken advantage to being used for a cause by
John Pearson Lynnwood, trying to raise money so they can
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take it for their own benefit, not trying to set
me free. I could have been led out by mid September,
but they wanted to keep me in jail until November twentieth. Buck,
I mean that also is awful. I mean, I don't
think most people talk about the fact that this kid,
who was one hundred percent innocent of any wrongdoing we
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know based on the jury's determination, spend eighty seven days
in prison. That's over basically three months of his life.
The alleged justification for this from his lawyers was that
he was safer in jail, and I can tell you
that is not the case. There's actually a lot of
evidence to show that people you're much more likely to
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be assaulted, to be attacked across a whole range of
context in prison than outside of prison, so or in jail,
and so this just goes to show you there were
people early on who I mean, for Kyle to say
that at this stage two is absolutely damning for these
two guys as a shame, because I actually like the
Richer Jewel movie, in which lynn Wood is essentially the right,
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but it's still a very good movie, and it's the
it's really it's just an entire movie that's like, don't
trust the FBI and don't talk to them. That's what
the movie actually teaches you. But Kyle was able to
push through this, and really when he was giving this
interview with Tucker Clay, it becomes clear that he had
so much poise and mental fortitude for a kid his age.
He's facing life in prisons. He wasn't yet even eighteen
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years old when this incident happens, not as he facing
life in prison, but very powerful people all across I mean,
the now president, then candidate for the Democrat side for
the presidency basically said that this guy should rot in
jail for the rest of his life. Right. It's one
thing if you're wrongfully accused and you're just going through
the trial, that's got to be terrifying. Imagine being wrongfully accused.
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An entire political party, the Democrat elites, media apparatus, the left,
the organized left in general, is screaming, screeching for you
to spend the rest of your life in prison. Well
that's happening. Think about how terrifying that would be. Buck.
I'll tell you this. Lawyers don't lose sleep over defending
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people they think are guilty. We lose sleep over defending
people we think are innocent. Because if you're defending a
guilty person, you have a constitutional obligation to defend them
to the best of your ability. But if they end
up being convicted, it may be the just result. In
a case. Warriors lose sleep. And I guarantee you this
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was the case for the lawyers. Credit them, the defense
attorneys who won the case for Kyle Rittenhouse. I guarantee,
and those guys tossed and turned. In addition to the
fact that Rittenhouse himself did many nights worried that they
were not going to be able to do the best
possible job because this kid was innocent of all wrongdoing
and they knew he faced potential life in prison. Let
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me just say this too. It's a lot of discussion
out there buck about what sort of legal opportunities Kyle
Rittenhouse has now that a jury has determined that he's
not guilty of the crime, when he was labeled to murder,
a white supremacist, a domestic terrorist, all these different things
on CNN, MSNBC, The New York Time, to Washington Post,
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among others. And I have argued for a long time
that New York Times v. Sullivan needs to be this
is the sort of foremost case in the First Amendment
jurist prudence that it needs to be refined for our
modern era because and this is getting a little bit
in the weeds, but just for people out there to
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think about one of the major challenges in holding these
big media companies accountable for the lies they spread about
you is New York Times Sullivan sets up a distinction
between a public and a private figure. If you're a
public figure, you have to show and that's why when
we played an hour one, Kyle Rittenhouse said that the
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media company showed actual malice against him. You have to
show actual malice if you're a public figure in order
to recover under defamation standards. I think we need to
reconsider in Scalia and Thomas have said this in Supreme
Court opinions. We need to reconsider New York Times v.
Sullivan in light of the social media era in which
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we live in now, where basically everybody's a public figure.
Buck because if if you're in a diner and somebody
takes a video of you and it goes viral, you
become a public figure because you said or did something,
even if you don't want to be a public figure.
And so this distinction about what damages can be gained
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for public versus private figures is so challenging when it
comes to Kyle Rittenhouse and people of his nature who
may be a hundred innocent may have lies spread about them,
but because of the public figure standard of New York
Times to be Sullivan, it's really hard for them to recover.
And yet Nick Sandman, as we all know, is out
there advocating he shall House to sue and Salman in
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his belief. I think the settlements were kept private, that
it is believed that he got a pretty substantial payout.
But that's to your your point about how anyone can
become a public figure. Therefore, the public private figure distinction,
that's really that's more sensible in the era of newspapers
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where there are very few people that find themselves a
an issue of public concern who aren't either you know,
an accused criminal or politician, or you know, somebody who's
who's already in the public eye. Uh. The reality here
with Nick Samman was he was on a school trip,
as we all know, and someone marched up to him
and took a video of his face, and he didn't
do anything, and all of a sudden they're calling him,
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you know, a little smug white supremacist and all this
other crazy stuff that they were saying, instead of pointing
out that an adult and a very you know, strange
fellow was harassing him. Samon looks like he, I don't
know what the payout was, right, There are people that
make all kinds of claims. It was very large, it
was a very small who knows, but there at least
should be the accountability that we could all have is
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stop thinking that any of these are news organizations. Stop
believing that when you read The New York Times or
you watch CNN, they are making a good faith effort
to give you unbiased, non politicized information. That is not
what they are doing. They have to give you accurate
facts for the most part, because otherwise nobody will believe them.
But it's about things like what do they cover, how
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do they cover, what do they not cover? That's often
the single biggest editorial decision, and that's why I'm so
outraged sitting here as we have no updates it seems,
from anywhere right now from anyone about what happened with
Wauka Shaw and that mass murder, or how is that
even possible that we don't have more information? Who's asking
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the police, who's making sure that we find out what
the current status of the motive of the motive is.
So what they cover what they don't cover is obviously
a huge part of all of this. I think that
it would be good to see a lawsuit here. I
know that's what you're talking about. But more to the point, ever,
just understand, these are warring propaganda machines out there in
the media. They don't care that they lied to you.
They don't care they lied to you about Donald Trump
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and Russia, collusion, about Jesse Smallett, about the Duke Lacrosse case.
Go down the list. I mean, just think of about
Hunter Biden's laptop being not real or being disinformation or whatever.
I mean, they said the Hunter Biden laptop. I think
it was The Washington Post published all these former Intel nerds,
and I can see that because I am one who
are saying, oh, it's Russian disinformation. None of them are
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embarrassed by this, None of them feel like, oh gosh,
I shouldn't have done that, because they serve the purpose
at the time go on offense against Trump and the right.
And that's what all these media organizations do. The moment
that they have to change even the facts to serve
that purpose, they will. So, yeah, sue them. You're not
going to sue them out of business. They're ensured, they
have aeron omissions insurances that you're not going to be
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able to do that. Sue them. Although they did do
that to Gawker, if you remember Peter til God bless him,
did it. Gawker was a pool online of the worst kind.
And so there is a precedent here. Well, and this
goes to why he should sue that. This is my
argument he needs to sue because we need to set
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the precedent for all those things that you just said, Buck,
there needs to be a standard other than New York
Times v. Sullivan that makes media companies worry that they
might get hit with hundred million or billion dollar judgments
that could shatter their ability to continue as viable business entities.
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Because right now New York Times v. Sullivan, which was
set in nineteen sixties and a time buck when the
only time the average person's name appeared in the newspaper
was when they might be born and when they might die.
The idea of a public private figure dichotomy might have
made sense in the nineteen sixties, it doesn't make sense
in our modern era. And you shouldn't be able to
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use Kyle Rittenhouse's public person sona as an reason to
get so much wrong in your reporting about him. There
need to be consequences, and that's why we need an
updated version of New York Times v. Sullivan in this
country in a substantial way. Because for people out there
who believe that our media is broken, and I am
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with you, and I believe that it is in fact broken.
One of the best ways that we could change that
is by altering the law New York Times v. Sullivan,
updating it for the modern era, and eliminating the standards
and practices that were put in place in the nineteen
sixties for a new modern era where there needs to
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very interesting to watch MSNBC in full meltdown mode in
recent days after the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. There's some reporting
I saw today that some of the execs that run
NBC actually and Comcast or starting to think maybe it's
getting a little too crazy. And if we're talking about
crazy on MSNBC, joy Read very high up on that list.
(14:40):
Here she is, instead of saying I got everything wrong
about Rittenhouse. Everything I said was basically untrue. I have
no idea what I'm talking about. And oh, by the way,
nobody got into a time machine, went back ten years,
hacked my blog and made it seem like I was
anti gay. That was actually just joy Read writing and
now running away from a sponsor ability for what she said.
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But anyway, here she is on Ritchen House. Now to
the question dividing America, Kyle Rittenhouse row or vigilante. Days
after Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges including double homicide.
The American right, including some of the most craven, openly
inflammatory bomb throwers, and the Republican Party, celebrated the gunning
down of three fellow Americans, leading two of them dead,
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like it was the Super Bowl. Some of these professional
right wing trolls who get paid with your tax money
as political representatives are now fighting over who gets to
hire Rittenhouse as an intern. I mean, first of all,
this part of it's like, I hope she's kind of
talking about us. We don't get paid with tax money.
I know that's the problem, right, But I was like, oh,
wait a week, maybe that's us list of people that
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she hates, because that would be fun or not. I'm disappointed, Yeah,
But anyway, it just goes to show, yeah, what I have.
What I have? Kyle Rittenhouse as an intern. Absolutely, I'm
sure he'd show up on time, be very polite, and
do a very good job. But I'm my understanding is
members of Congress have already started to say they're going
to do that. I also want to get to Reagan
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in Houston, Texas has something interesting to say to us. Reagan,
what's going on? Hey man, how y'all doing? We're good
listening to your Turkey breast inflation story earlier. Yeah, I
wanted to share something with you. I'm director of distributional
logistics for a big company here in Texas, and at
the beginning of the pandemic, we used to pay two thousand,
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eight hundred and fifty dollars to ship in a forty
foot container of goods from the Asian Continent. Didn't matter
if it was ningbo Ho Chi, men Gintien, it didn't matter.
It was about two thousand, eight hundred and fifty dollars.
Throughout the pandemic under Trumpet went up and up, but
then when when Biden took over, it really started to accelerate.
And as of today, to move a forty foot high
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Q container from the Asian Continent to the Port of Houston,
what we call all water service to the Panama Canal,
it's averaging between nineteen and twenty one thousand dollars container. Unbelievable.
What's that's really causing that? Reagan? We look at about
thirty seconds. Yeah, well really what it is is there.
So there's a big blockage out in La and Long
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Beach that you might have heard about. There's about one
hundred and seventy containerships sitting at anchor before the pandemic.
The most that ever was seventeen. What that does is
displaced all of those out of the total global supply chain,
so they're not unloading and going back in. So it's
like running out of seats on a bus because you
have too many buses stuck in a traffic jam, and
so the spots on those buses then become more and
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more expensive for the few buses that are still in circulation.
So until they get California fixed, I mean, the industry says,
we're not getting out of this. I'm talking about industry
newsletters I read every day as a director until the
end of twenty twenty two and task something that used
to be three thousand dollars cost twenty one thousand, and
say inflation is a temporary thing. Wow, thank you. Love
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slash Clay Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate you guys hanging out with us a couple of
days here before Thanksgiving. We'll be live with you tomorrow.
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Buck will be with you on Friday. Best of on
thanks Giving. Will Kine, we're getting set up right now.
Do you want to take a couple more calls while
we roll with him right now? But we will take
some calls, but we got our man Will Caine with
us right now. He is the co host of Fox
and f co host are obviously the Best co host
of Fox and Friends Weekend with our Buddy, Pete Hegseth
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and Rachel Campost Duffy, mister Wilkine of Fox News, My
old buddy, how are you? What's up? Buck? What's up? Clay?
We're good man, Well, shake him a man. We gotta
get you all in studio with us sometime, all the
three amigos, so we can chat about all the things
happening in America and around the world. Well, I'll start
with this one. We got so many we could do,
we don't have too much time, so let's get into it.
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The Democrat Party in panic mode from their own research,
finding out that their brand is in the dumpster. What's
going on? Well, it turns out calling everybody in the
country who disagrees with you as a racist is an
unpopular message. And after their loss in Virginia, it looks
like the lesson they took from that is, let's triple down.
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Let's triple racism everybody. Yeah, it's it's not a good brand. Buck,
it's not a good brand, Clay. And I think you
know it's not just in the name calling, it's in
the policies. Clearly, critical race theory is an incredibly unpopular
ideological concept. People don't want their children being taught to
be neo racist and embrace segregationist policies. And then beyond that,
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how about just how about not destroying our pocketbooks with
an inflation. So I think I think from from top
to bottom, here's the easiest way to steal a buck.
What's going well for the Democratic Party. If you can
answer that question, you can answer what's wrong with their
brand as well, said Will, we got to hang out
a couple of days last week, and Fort Lauderdale was
a lot of fun. At the Fox Patriot Awards. I
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don't we talked a lot. I don't know we talked
about this, But I like to look for things that
are somewhat moving in a positive direction, and in the
world of sports, I was really encouraged Will by the
WTA coming out standing up to China doing the opposite
of what the NBA said, saying, look, it may cost
us a lot of money, but the way you're treating
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this missing tennis star who's alleged sexual assault against a
prominent Communist Party official, it was everything that the NBA
should have done. I was really encouraged by them standing
up to China were you. I'm encouraged and I'd like
to see more American businesses Clay show and exhibit some
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semblance of a moral backbone. I mean, look, you're a capitalist.
I'm a capitalist. Buck is a capitalist. Everyone listening wants
to make the most money they can for their talent
and to provide for their family. But money, I mean,
I'm sorry, how cliche it may sound. Money is not
the end of our story. We're moral beings, where beings
that have to go to sleep at night and say
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and sleep soundly. And the WTA found their line in
the sand. They said, disappearing one of our stars isn't
worth the money. Here's a really interesting question, I think, Clay,
what do you think if the NBA were in the
same position, their choice would be. Let's say Stephan Marbury.
He's retired now, but you remember Stephan Marbury. He oh,
after he washed out of the NBA, he went to
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play in China for for a lot of years. You
remember that. So what if Stephan Marbury had disappeared while
he was playing in China, what would the NBA's response
had have been. And by the way, that's not even
a perfect analogy, because he wasn't an active NBA player
at the time, so we'd have to find an active
NBA player who disappears in China and ask ourselves, what
would the NBA do speak. I think they pretended didn't happen.
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We're speaking in Wilkin here. He is of Fox News.
You can check him out on the weekends hosting Fox
and Friends in the morning. Will also you have a
podcast right the Wilkaine Podcast, which folks should be checking
out too. You know, well, we have a few things
in common. We hosted together at The Blaze many years ago,
and also both of us spend a time at CNN.
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Earlier in the show, Clay and I were talking about
how the media essentially now when I say thumb media,
I mean the big legacy, corporate democrat media doesn't seem
ashamed at all about what's happen here with Kyle Rittenhouse.
In fact, if anything, that other pretend they weren't lying
about it or they're happy that they got away with
it as long as they did. How long is that
sustainable as a model for them, until there's an accountability mechanism, Buck,
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that is undeniable. You and I were talking earlier this week,
Buck about the progression of CNN. So I was a
conservative contributor analyst at CNN from about twenty ten to
twenty fourteen. It was a different CNN than it is today.
It was a biased CNN. They weren't objective, they were
still liberal, but they were simply biased. Buck. I think
you were there and what fourteen to sixteen roughly? Maybe
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in that time phrase, I was there when they lost
their mind, like I was there for the nervous breakdown
of CNN. Yes, yeah, so I would say they were
making the transition while you were there, from biased to propagandists.
I mean, maybe it was my fault, but I think
I think what we're watching now is the make the
move from propagandist to activists. Couldn't play an active role
in the news cycle and an MSNBC best embodies this
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with the with the photographer trailing the bus, the jury bus,
and the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. But this weekend I said
this on Fox and Friends, Buck, I said, Hey, I'm
a little naive. I thought after the trial was over
they'd stop lying, but they didn't stop lying. And it's
shocking to me because I would think, Okay, ratings aren't
the accountability mechanism because their ratings are in the tank,
and clearly they're not paying the price for low ratings.
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But what about shareholders in potential defamation suits? Does not
the shareholder of MSNBC or Comcast or Discovery go this
is bad business, this is hurting us. And by the way,
the answer to that might be yes, because John Malone,
who owns Liberty Media, which owns Discovery, which owns CNN,
seems to be sort of putting the feelers out there
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that I don't like what's happening here at CNN. Yeah,
he said, I think that's your credit to him. He
kind of cracked the whip and said, this organization is
a shell of what it used to be when Buck
you were there and when Will was there. And I
don't know if it was a coincidence, but did you
guys see the video where they were talking about the
WTA and the response in China and the left up
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their broadcast window in China to show that they were
being censored in real time. I thought that was pretty
powerful of CNN to point out, Hey, we're speaking truth
to power for a change. This is what China is
doing as we are discussing their disappearing of this Chinese
tennis star. Yeahs, and that's coming face to face with
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truth in China, Clay and I would love to see.
And by the way, Malone is a is a new
majority show holder of CNN, so it's not as though
he's been there for some time. He's new, so he
can institute change if he wants to. I'd like to
see them face truth in the United States of America,
not just in China. On race relations, Buck, you had
a tweet earlier this week, and I thought you put
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it really well. For much of my career, and Clay,
you and I talked recently, and I'm curious where you
are on this. I really loved the idea of a
lofty debate of ideas, like a battle of ideas. I'm
right here, left, I'm conservative, your liberal. I want to
see which idea wins the day. And Buck, you had
a tweet you said, unfortunately, that's not the age we're in.
We're in an age where we're battling over basic truths.
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And I think you put it really well. That's what
the fight is today. It's over truth and lies, not
right and left. Check out Will Kaine's podcast and also
look for him on Fox and Friends, where he is
co hosting on weekends, and look for him to pop
up on Fox all throughout the week Will when are
you hosting? You'll be hosting again too in the seven
pm I know, and people should look for you on
the weekends on Fox and Friends, anything else. Who want
(26:27):
to promote for the people listening across the country. I'll
be hosting that sevent pm primetime show the week of
December thirteenth, as you mentioned Fox and Friends, and later
this week on the Wilkaine Podcast, I've got an hour
long conversation with Andy No, the most hated journalist on
the left in America. He's such a brave, brave little
guy man, Andy No. Wil Kaine, Everybody check it out.
Thanks Will, great to have you on. Thanks he listen.
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where we'll talk more about Thanksgiving, and we have tomorrow
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we have James Golden, mister Snerdley joining us, which will
be very nice to talk about Russian shows past, and
we're gonna talk about how you talk, how you discuss
with that liberal family member out there, because we've all
got them. We've all got a liberal family members. I mean,
I don't in my immediate well, I want to. I
want to give too much away here. We're we're pretty
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rational in the Sexton household, but once you expand beyond,
there might be some libs running around. I've never been
to a Thanksgiving I don't think where people have voted
on opposite sides, meaning people in my family, some Democrats,
some Republican. Obviously, it depends on how big the family
is in terms of what kind of overlap you might
have there. But we're going to have some fun with you.
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We'll answer we'll open up the phone lines and answer
your Thanksgiving challenging questions with family and friends, and it
gets you set for the holiday. And we know a
lot of people out there going to be on the road.
We'll try to have a fun show and continue to
honor the way that rush for many of you handled
thanksgivings for decades as a part of the show. Absolutely,
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I also want to get to a couple of your
calls here. We said we would, and let's get to it.
Johnny in Nashville, Tennessee. What's up, Johnny? Hey, guys, Clay,
I've been listening to since the three HL Midday one eighty. Hey,
listen man, well done, congrats on your success, gentlemen. I
listened to the entire interview last night at the Written
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House on Fox, but unlike most, I went to the
other station to hear their response, and it brought up
some troubling observations or reactions other than the gag reflects.
The most important thing I got from that was Cuomo.
How quickly he said, well, Written House naturally should have
been acquitted, and by all means, this was obviously self defense. Now,
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if I have been under a rock or myth something,
I'm not sure that's the narrative or been their rhetoric
up to this point. And I just thought that kind
of interesting, how quickly they shaped shifted, if you will.
I didn't know that. So Chris Cuomo said on his
show that he thought the jury had reached the right decision.
I mean, I'm thanks for the call. By the way,
I'm shocked that that would happen, but that's what the
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law reflected. I mean, it's not a particularly challenging case,
and we talked a lot about this, Buck. I think
maybe the staggering thing for so many people on the
left was they had listened to all the misinformation about
this case. They didn't do their own research, and so
when the not guilty verdicts came down, they were totally
unprepared for it. Whereas Buck, you and I had told
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this audience, Hey, based on all the evidence that's been presented,
this is a pretty open and shut self defense case,
and he's going to get off. He should if the
laws apply some quotes that I remember because I said
them on the show, they never should have even brought
this case against him. If this is in self defense.
There's no such thing of self defense. I mean, this
was It's amazing to show you the power of the
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corporate democrat, leftist media here creating this perception that this
was a close call. This is not a close call, folks.
If someone runs up to you and you are running
away from them and they swing a skateboard at your head,
they try to grab the gun that's in your hands,
a threatening to kill you, or they have they wave
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an a legal handgun in your face. You are allowed
to use force to defend yourself or else. There's no
such things of self defense. By the way, Writtenhouse got
a totally right. He's like self defense was on trial here.
The left does at some level want you to have
to submit to the will of the mob. And if
that means they're going to burn down your store, or
your house, or your neighborhood, they have social justice behind them.
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You're not allowed to stand in the way. That fortunately
was not the outcome of this particular case Will in Cleveland, Ohio.
It's got some Sandman thoughts. What's up Will afternoon. My
point is with these lawsuits, the non disclaimer, it was
disappointment by Sandman. They accepted the non disclaimer and can't
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speak about it. I think it needs to be clear
the price of dishonesty and what good does revenge if
no one knows about it. You got people claiming, oh,
they paid Shandman five thousand just to go away. It
was a nuisance lawsuit. I know it's not my money,
but I would like for Kyle to not sign a
non disclaimer and let the whole world know. Yeah and yeah,
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thanks Nicaul. I mean, there are a lot of people
out there who would like to see Kyle Rittenhouse take
this case to court. Again. I kind of laid out
the challenges that are embedded in that case, and that
is the precedent right now of New York Times v.
Sullivan makes it hard for a public figure to recover
substantial sums of money absent actual malice, which is why
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he said I think he's been coached by lawyers for
purposes of filing a lawsuit when he said to Tucker Carlson,
I think it was actual malice. That to me feels
like he's got lawsuits ready to file. And to the
caller's point, the NDA, the non disclosure agreement where we
don't really know what Samman got as a result of
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these lawsuits. The difference there for sam Man versus Rittenhouse
from a precedent perspective, buck is sam Man totally was innocent,
just stood on the steps and became a sort of
an attack dog for the left wing. They just ridiculed him,
whereas Rittenhouse was in a trial which made him a
public figure to a degree that Sam Man was not.
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But I do think that when you're talking about someone
of like Joe Biden of his atcher as a candidate
for president of the United States, I mean, would it
be let's test this theory out. Could he say that that,
you know, Kyle Rittenhouse was a rapist? Could he just
say that because he felt like it without any basis
for it. I mean, you're getting pretty close to it
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when you call Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist and a murderer,
and well, yeah, animal, but he was, you know, they
charged him with homicide. So you're gonna get You're gonna
get people that will will say that to be sure,
but the angle, But I also think what it shows
you is that white supremacist and this has been an
intentional program of the left, has been expanded as a
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term beyond recognition. White supremacy is anything they want to
call white. You're basically if you're a white person, you're
a white supremacy or there are aspects of white supremacy
that they'll identify in every system. And isn't this amazing
when you ask for proof of white supremacy in that
system that is in and of itself, proof of white supremacy.
I wish that they had people in schools reading more
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about the Soviet Union and the Goolag and disinformation and
Pravda and the KGB and the FSB and all these
different entities within the Soviet orbit Clay for how they
did disinformation, how they broke people. It was never about
believing the lies that the polite boro actually believed. It
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was about affirming the things that everyone knew was a lie.
That's the society. That's when you're truly broken, and that
is what the left wants for America. You cannot even
agree upon the most foundational truth. Whatever we tell you
is what is true. Not only that where if you
speak out, you become a target and you're not allowed
to live your normal life, which is what so many
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people fear right now. One bit of positivity here in
the final minute. Buck got a great show for you tomorrow.
The new Ghostbusters is fantastic. I'm gonna go see it.
If you're out with your family for the holiday season
and you need to go see something that with your kids,
your grandkids, and you liked the original Ghostbusters back in
nineteen eighty four, you will like this version in twenty
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twenty one. My kids loved it, Buck, you'll love it.
Ali on the show will love it. Anybody who liked
old school Ghostbusters, my wife loved it. They will have
some fun watching it. It's a good holiday distraction if
everybody's going crazy around the house. It's amazing, folks to
see how much the Clay Traviston Buck Sexton Show is
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catching on. Please tell more people about it across the country.
We want folks to know. We want them to tune
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You then
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We are going to have James Golden on with us.
We will do our best to honor Rush's legacy and
also continue to spread the tradition that so many of
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let you know that we will be with you tomorrow
as a part of that be off on Thanksgiving, we'll
have a best of and then Buck is going to
be in on Friday with a live show while I
will be hanging out with my family. Appreciate him being
here for that Friday. So that is the roadmap for
the rest of the week for everybody out there just
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getting in your car. I hope that a lot of
you had an opportunity so far to listen to Kyle
Rittenhouse his interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News last night.
Fantastic examination of the case and also of Kyle Rittenhouse himself.
One of the questions, by the way, let me let
you also know, we're going to be joined by Will Kine,
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a friend of both fucking minds, at the midway point
of this hour, just after two thirty Eastern. One of
the big topics that has been out there has been
what sort of legal recourse does Kyle Rittenhouse have now
that he has been found not guilty of murder by
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virtue of self defense, given all of the insults and
all of the lies that have been spread by him
in the mainstream media, by politicians, by MSNBC, by CNN,
by the New York Times and the Washington Post. I'm
gonna get into that in a moment, but first here
is a cut from Kyle Rittenhouse talking about the legal
representation he had and the fact he says they left
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him in jail while they raised money, he says, for
their own benefit. This has cut one eighty seven days
of not being with my family for defending myself and
being taken advantage to being used for a cause by
John Pearson Lynnwood, trying to raise money so they can
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take it for their own benefit, not trying to set
me free. I could have been led out by mid September,
but they wanted to keep me in jail until November twentieth. Buck,
I mean that also is awful. I mean, I don't
think most people talk about the fact that this kid,
who was one hundred percent innocent of any wrongdoing we
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know based on the jury's determination, spend eighty seven days
in prison. That's over basically three months of his life.
The alleged justification for this from his lawyers was that
he was safer in jail, and I can tell you
that is not the case. There's actually a lot of
evidence to show that people you're much more likely to
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be assaulted, to be attacked across a whole range of
context in prison than outside of prison, so or in jail,
and so this just goes to show you there were
people early on who I mean, for Kyle to say
that at this stage two is absolutely damning for these
two guys as a shame, because I actually like the
Richer Jewel movie, in which lynn Wood is essentially the right,
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but it's still a very good movie, and it's the
it's really it's just an entire movie that's like, don't
trust the FBI and don't talk to them. That's what
the movie actually teaches you. But Kyle was able to
push through this, and really when he was giving this
interview with Tucker Clay, it becomes clear that he had
so much poise and mental fortitude for a kid his age.
He's facing life in prisons. He wasn't yet even eighteen
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years old when this incident happens, not as he facing
life in prison, but very powerful people all across I mean,
the now president, then candidate for the Democrat side for
the presidency basically said that this guy should rot in
jail for the rest of his life. Right. It's one
thing if you're wrongfully accused and you're just going through
the trial, that's got to be terrifying. Imagine being wrongfully accused.
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An entire political party, the Democrat elites, media apparatus, the left,
the organized left in general, is screaming, screeching for you
to spend the rest of your life in prison. Well
that's happening. Think about how terrifying that would be. Buck.
I'll tell you this. Lawyers don't lose sleep over defending
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people they think are guilty. We lose sleep over defending
people we think are innocent. Because if you're defending a
guilty person, you have a constitutional obligation to defend them
to the best of your ability. But if they end
up being convicted, it may be the just result. In
a case. Warriors lose sleep. And I guarantee you this
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was the case for the lawyers. Credit them, the defense
attorneys who won the case for Kyle Rittenhouse. I guarantee,
and those guys tossed and turned. In addition to the
fact that Rittenhouse himself did many nights worried that they
were not going to be able to do the best
possible job because this kid was innocent of all wrongdoing
and they knew he faced potential life in prison. Let
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me just say this too. It's a lot of discussion
out there buck about what sort of legal opportunities Kyle
Rittenhouse has now that a jury has determined that he's
not guilty of the crime, when he was labeled to murder,
a white supremacist, a domestic terrorist, all these different things
on CNN, MSNBC, The New York Time, to Washington Post,
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among others. And I have argued for a long time
that New York Times v. Sullivan needs to be this
is the sort of foremost case in the First Amendment
jurist prudence that it needs to be refined for our
modern era because and this is getting a little bit
in the weeds, but just for people out there to
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think about one of the major challenges in holding these
big media companies accountable for the lies they spread about
you is New York Times Sullivan sets up a distinction
between a public and a private figure. If you're a
public figure, you have to show and that's why when
we played an hour one, Kyle Rittenhouse said that the
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media company showed actual malice against him. You have to
show actual malice if you're a public figure in order
to recover under defamation standards. I think we need to
reconsider in Scalia and Thomas have said this in Supreme
Court opinions. We need to reconsider New York Times v.
Sullivan in light of the social media era in which
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we live in now, where basically everybody's a public figure.
Buck because if if you're in a diner and somebody
takes a video of you and it goes viral, you
become a public figure because you said or did something,
even if you don't want to be a public figure.
And so this distinction about what damages can be gained
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for public versus private figures is so challenging when it
comes to Kyle Rittenhouse and people of his nature who
may be a hundred innocent may have lies spread about them,
but because of the public figure standard of New York
Times to be Sullivan, it's really hard for them to recover.
And yet Nick Sandman, as we all know, is out
there advocating he shall House to sue and Salman in
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his belief. I think the settlements were kept private, that
it is believed that he got a pretty substantial payout.
But that's to your your point about how anyone can
become a public figure. Therefore, the public private figure distinction,
that's really that's more sensible in the era of newspapers
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where there are very few people that find themselves a
an issue of public concern who aren't either you know,
an accused criminal or politician, or you know, somebody who's
who's already in the public eye. Uh. The reality here
with Nick Samman was he was on a school trip,
as we all know, and someone marched up to him
and took a video of his face, and he didn't
do anything, and all of a sudden they're calling him,
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you know, a little smug white supremacist and all this
other crazy stuff that they were saying, instead of pointing
out that an adult and a very you know, strange
fellow was harassing him. Samon looks like he, I don't
know what the payout was, right, There are people that
make all kinds of claims. It was very large, it
was a very small who knows, but there at least
should be the accountability that we could all have is
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stop thinking that any of these are news organizations. Stop
believing that when you read The New York Times or
you watch CNN, they are making a good faith effort
to give you unbiased, non politicized information. That is not
what they are doing. They have to give you accurate
facts for the most part, because otherwise nobody will believe them.
But it's about things like what do they cover, how
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do they cover, what do they not cover? That's often
the single biggest editorial decision, and that's why I'm so
outraged sitting here as we have no updates it seems,
from anywhere right now from anyone about what happened with
Wauka Shaw and that mass murder, or how is that
even possible that we don't have more information? Who's asking
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the police, who's making sure that we find out what
the current status of the motive of the motive is.
So what they cover what they don't cover is obviously
a huge part of all of this. I think that
it would be good to see a lawsuit here. I
know that's what you're talking about. But more to the point, ever,
just understand, these are warring propaganda machines out there in
the media. They don't care that they lied to you.
They don't care they lied to you about Donald Trump
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and Russia, collusion, about Jesse Smallett, about the Duke Lacrosse case.
Go down the list. I mean, just think of about
Hunter Biden's laptop being not real or being disinformation or whatever.
I mean, they said the Hunter Biden laptop. I think
it was The Washington Post published all these former Intel nerds,
and I can see that because I am one who
are saying, oh, it's Russian disinformation. None of them are
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embarrassed by this, None of them feel like, oh gosh,
I shouldn't have done that, because they serve the purpose
at the time go on offense against Trump and the right.
And that's what all these media organizations do. The moment
that they have to change even the facts to serve
that purpose, they will. So, yeah, sue them. You're not
going to sue them out of business. They're ensured, they
have aeron omissions insurances that you're not going to be
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able to do that. Sue them. Although they did do
that to Gawker, if you remember Peter til God bless him,
did it. Gawker was a pool online of the worst kind.
And so there is a precedent here. Well, and this
goes to why he should sue that. This is my
argument he needs to sue because we need to set
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the precedent for all those things that you just said, Buck,
there needs to be a standard other than New York
Times v. Sullivan that makes media companies worry that they
might get hit with hundred million or billion dollar judgments
that could shatter their ability to continue as viable business entities.
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Because right now New York Times v. Sullivan, which was
set in nineteen sixties and a time buck when the
only time the average person's name appeared in the newspaper
was when they might be born and when they might die.
The idea of a public private figure dichotomy might have
made sense in the nineteen sixties, it doesn't make sense
in our modern era. And you shouldn't be able to
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use Kyle Rittenhouse's public person sona as an reason to
get so much wrong in your reporting about him. There
need to be consequences, and that's why we need an
updated version of New York Times v. Sullivan in this
country in a substantial way. Because for people out there
who believe that our media is broken, and I am
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with you, and I believe that it is in fact broken.
One of the best ways that we could change that
is by altering the law New York Times v. Sullivan,
updating it for the modern era, and eliminating the standards
and practices that were put in place in the nineteen
sixties for a new modern era where there needs to
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very interesting to watch MSNBC in full meltdown mode in
recent days after the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict. There's some reporting
I saw today that some of the execs that run
NBC actually and Comcast or starting to think maybe it's
getting a little too crazy. And if we're talking about
crazy on MSNBC, joy Read very high up on that list.
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Here she is, instead of saying I got everything wrong
about Rittenhouse. Everything I said was basically untrue. I have
no idea what I'm talking about. And oh, by the way,
nobody got into a time machine, went back ten years,
hacked my blog and made it seem like I was
anti gay. That was actually just joy Read writing and
now running away from a sponsor ability for what she said.
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But anyway, here she is on Ritchen House. Now to
the question dividing America, Kyle Rittenhouse row or vigilante. Days
after Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges including double homicide.
The American right, including some of the most craven, openly
inflammatory bomb throwers, and the Republican Party, celebrated the gunning
down of three fellow Americans, leading two of them dead,
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like it was the Super Bowl. Some of these professional
right wing trolls who get paid with your tax money
as political representatives are now fighting over who gets to
hire Rittenhouse as an intern. I mean, first of all,
this part of it's like, I hope she's kind of
talking about us. We don't get paid with tax money.
I know that's the problem, right, But I was like, oh,
wait a week, maybe that's us list of people that
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she hates, because that would be fun or not. I'm disappointed, Yeah,
But anyway, it just goes to show, yeah, what I have.
What I have? Kyle Rittenhouse as an intern. Absolutely, I'm
sure he'd show up on time, be very polite, and
do a very good job. But I'm my understanding is
members of Congress have already started to say they're going
to do that. I also want to get to Reagan
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in Houston, Texas has something interesting to say to us. Reagan,
what's going on? Hey man, how y'all doing? We're good
listening to your Turkey breast inflation story earlier. Yeah, I
wanted to share something with you. I'm director of distributional
logistics for a big company here in Texas, and at
the beginning of the pandemic, we used to pay two thousand,
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eight hundred and fifty dollars to ship in a forty
foot container of goods from the Asian Continent. Didn't matter
if it was ningbo Ho Chi, men Gintien, it didn't matter.
It was about two thousand, eight hundred and fifty dollars.
Throughout the pandemic under Trumpet went up and up, but
then when when Biden took over, it really started to accelerate.
And as of today, to move a forty foot high
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Q container from the Asian Continent to the Port of Houston,
what we call all water service to the Panama Canal,
it's averaging between nineteen and twenty one thousand dollars container. Unbelievable.
What's that's really causing that? Reagan? We look at about
thirty seconds. Yeah, well really what it is is there.
So there's a big blockage out in La and Long
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Beach that you might have heard about. There's about one
hundred and seventy containerships sitting at anchor before the pandemic.
The most that ever was seventeen. What that does is
displaced all of those out of the total global supply chain,
so they're not unloading and going back in. So it's
like running out of seats on a bus because you
have too many buses stuck in a traffic jam, and
so the spots on those buses then become more and
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more expensive for the few buses that are still in circulation.
So until they get California fixed, I mean, the industry says,
we're not getting out of this. I'm talking about industry
newsletters I read every day as a director until the
end of twenty twenty two and task something that used
to be three thousand dollars cost twenty one thousand, and
say inflation is a temporary thing. Wow, thank you. Love
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slash Clay Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate you guys hanging out with us a couple of
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Buck will be with you on Friday. Best of on
thanks Giving. Will Kine, we're getting set up right now.
Do you want to take a couple more calls while
we roll with him right now? But we will take
some calls, but we got our man Will Caine with
us right now. He is the co host of Fox
and f co host are obviously the Best co host
of Fox and Friends Weekend with our Buddy, Pete Hegseth
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and Rachel Campost Duffy, mister Wilkine of Fox News, My
old buddy, how are you? What's up? Buck? What's up? Clay?
We're good man, Well, shake him a man. We gotta
get you all in studio with us sometime, all the
three amigos, so we can chat about all the things
happening in America and around the world. Well, I'll start
with this one. We got so many we could do,
we don't have too much time, so let's get into it.
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The Democrat Party in panic mode from their own research,
finding out that their brand is in the dumpster. What's
going on? Well, it turns out calling everybody in the
country who disagrees with you as a racist is an
unpopular message. And after their loss in Virginia, it looks
like the lesson they took from that is, let's triple down.
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Let's triple racism everybody. Yeah, it's it's not a good brand. Buck,
it's not a good brand, Clay. And I think you
know it's not just in the name calling, it's in
the policies. Clearly, critical race theory is an incredibly unpopular
ideological concept. People don't want their children being taught to
be neo racist and embrace segregationist policies. And then beyond that,
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how about just how about not destroying our pocketbooks with
an inflation. So I think I think from from top
to bottom, here's the easiest way to steal a buck.
What's going well for the Democratic Party. If you can
answer that question, you can answer what's wrong with their
brand as well, said Will, we got to hang out
a couple of days last week, and Fort Lauderdale was
a lot of fun. At the Fox Patriot Awards. I
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don't we talked a lot. I don't know we talked
about this, But I like to look for things that
are somewhat moving in a positive direction, and in the
world of sports, I was really encouraged Will by the
WTA coming out standing up to China doing the opposite
of what the NBA said, saying, look, it may cost
us a lot of money, but the way you're treating
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this missing tennis star who's alleged sexual assault against a
prominent Communist Party official, it was everything that the NBA
should have done. I was really encouraged by them standing
up to China were you. I'm encouraged and I'd like
to see more American businesses Clay show and exhibit some
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semblance of a moral backbone. I mean, look, you're a capitalist.
I'm a capitalist. Buck is a capitalist. Everyone listening wants
to make the most money they can for their talent
and to provide for their family. But money, I mean,
I'm sorry, how cliche it may sound. Money is not
the end of our story. We're moral beings, where beings
that have to go to sleep at night and say
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and sleep soundly. And the WTA found their line in
the sand. They said, disappearing one of our stars isn't
worth the money. Here's a really interesting question, I think, Clay,
what do you think if the NBA were in the
same position, their choice would be. Let's say Stephan Marbury.
He's retired now, but you remember Stephan Marbury. He oh,
after he washed out of the NBA, he went to
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play in China for for a lot of years. You
remember that. So what if Stephan Marbury had disappeared while
he was playing in China, what would the NBA's response
had have been. And by the way, that's not even
a perfect analogy, because he wasn't an active NBA player
at the time, so we'd have to find an active
NBA player who disappears in China and ask ourselves, what
would the NBA do speak. I think they pretended didn't happen.
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We're speaking in Wilkin here. He is of Fox News.
You can check him out on the weekends hosting Fox
and Friends in the morning. Will also you have a
podcast right the Wilkaine Podcast, which folks should be checking
out too. You know, well, we have a few things
in common. We hosted together at The Blaze many years ago,
and also both of us spend a time at CNN.
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Earlier in the show, Clay and I were talking about
how the media essentially now when I say thumb media,
I mean the big legacy, corporate democrat media doesn't seem
ashamed at all about what's happen here with Kyle Rittenhouse.
In fact, if anything, that other pretend they weren't lying
about it or they're happy that they got away with
it as long as they did. How long is that
sustainable as a model for them, until there's an accountability mechanism, Buck,
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that is undeniable. You and I were talking earlier this week,
Buck about the progression of CNN. So I was a
conservative contributor analyst at CNN from about twenty ten to
twenty fourteen. It was a different CNN than it is today.
It was a biased CNN. They weren't objective, they were
still liberal, but they were simply biased. Buck. I think
you were there and what fourteen to sixteen roughly? Maybe
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in that time phrase, I was there when they lost
their mind, like I was there for the nervous breakdown
of CNN. Yes, yeah, so I would say they were
making the transition while you were there, from biased to propagandists.
I mean, maybe it was my fault, but I think
I think what we're watching now is the make the
move from propagandist to activists. Couldn't play an active role
in the news cycle and an MSNBC best embodies this
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with the with the photographer trailing the bus, the jury bus,
and the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. But this weekend I said
this on Fox and Friends, Buck, I said, Hey, I'm
a little naive. I thought after the trial was over
they'd stop lying, but they didn't stop lying. And it's
shocking to me because I would think, Okay, ratings aren't
the accountability mechanism because their ratings are in the tank,
and clearly they're not paying the price for low ratings.
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But what about shareholders in potential defamation suits? Does not
the shareholder of MSNBC or Comcast or Discovery go this
is bad business, this is hurting us. And by the way,
the answer to that might be yes, because John Malone,
who owns Liberty Media, which owns Discovery, which owns CNN,
seems to be sort of putting the feelers out there
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that I don't like what's happening here at CNN. Yeah,
he said, I think that's your credit to him. He
kind of cracked the whip and said, this organization is
a shell of what it used to be when Buck
you were there and when Will was there. And I
don't know if it was a coincidence, but did you
guys see the video where they were talking about the
WTA and the response in China and the left up
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their broadcast window in China to show that they were
being censored in real time. I thought that was pretty
powerful of CNN to point out, Hey, we're speaking truth
to power for a change. This is what China is
doing as we are discussing their disappearing of this Chinese
tennis star. Yeahs, and that's coming face to face with
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truth in China, Clay and I would love to see.
And by the way, Malone is a is a new
majority show holder of CNN, so it's not as though
he's been there for some time. He's new, so he
can institute change if he wants to. I'd like to
see them face truth in the United States of America,
not just in China. On race relations, Buck, you had
a tweet earlier this week, and I thought you put
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it really well. For much of my career, and Clay,
you and I talked recently, and I'm curious where you
are on this. I really loved the idea of a
lofty debate of ideas, like a battle of ideas. I'm
right here, left, I'm conservative, your liberal. I want to
see which idea wins the day. And Buck, you had
a tweet you said, unfortunately, that's not the age we're in.
We're in an age where we're battling over basic truths.
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And I think you put it really well. That's what
the fight is today. It's over truth and lies, not
right and left. Check out Will Kaine's podcast and also
look for him on Fox and Friends, where he is
co hosting on weekends, and look for him to pop
up on Fox all throughout the week Will when are
you hosting? You'll be hosting again too in the seven
pm I know, and people should look for you on
the weekends on Fox and Friends, anything else. Who want
(26:27):
to promote for the people listening across the country. I'll
be hosting that sevent pm primetime show the week of
December thirteenth, as you mentioned Fox and Friends, and later
this week on the Wilkaine Podcast, I've got an hour
long conversation with Andy No, the most hated journalist on
the left in America. He's such a brave, brave little
guy man, Andy No. Wil Kaine, Everybody check it out.
Thanks Will, great to have you on. Thanks he listen.
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we gotta show tomorrow, which we're gonna do a little
bit of an homage to previous shows on the EIP
where we'll talk more about Thanksgiving, and we have tomorrow
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we have James Golden, mister Snerdley joining us, which will
be very nice to talk about Russian shows past, and
we're gonna talk about how you talk, how you discuss
with that liberal family member out there, because we've all
got them. We've all got a liberal family members. I mean,
I don't in my immediate well, I want to. I
want to give too much away here. We're we're pretty
(28:43):
rational in the Sexton household, but once you expand beyond,
there might be some libs running around. I've never been
to a Thanksgiving I don't think where people have voted
on opposite sides, meaning people in my family, some Democrats,
some Republican. Obviously, it depends on how big the family
is in terms of what kind of overlap you might
have there. But we're going to have some fun with you.
(29:04):
We'll answer we'll open up the phone lines and answer
your Thanksgiving challenging questions with family and friends, and it
gets you set for the holiday. And we know a
lot of people out there going to be on the road.
We'll try to have a fun show and continue to
honor the way that rush for many of you handled
thanksgivings for decades as a part of the show. Absolutely,
(29:26):
I also want to get to a couple of your
calls here. We said we would, and let's get to it.
Johnny in Nashville, Tennessee. What's up, Johnny? Hey, guys, Clay,
I've been listening to since the three HL Midday one eighty. Hey,
listen man, well done, congrats on your success, gentlemen. I
listened to the entire interview last night at the Written
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House on Fox, but unlike most, I went to the
other station to hear their response, and it brought up
some troubling observations or reactions other than the gag reflects.
The most important thing I got from that was Cuomo.
How quickly he said, well, Written House naturally should have
been acquitted, and by all means, this was obviously self defense. Now,
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if I have been under a rock or myth something,
I'm not sure that's the narrative or been their rhetoric
up to this point. And I just thought that kind
of interesting, how quickly they shaped shifted, if you will.
I didn't know that. So Chris Cuomo said on his
show that he thought the jury had reached the right decision.
I mean, I'm thanks for the call. By the way,
I'm shocked that that would happen, but that's what the
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law reflected. I mean, it's not a particularly challenging case,
and we talked a lot about this, Buck. I think
maybe the staggering thing for so many people on the
left was they had listened to all the misinformation about
this case. They didn't do their own research, and so
when the not guilty verdicts came down, they were totally
unprepared for it. Whereas Buck, you and I had told
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this audience, Hey, based on all the evidence that's been presented,
this is a pretty open and shut self defense case,
and he's going to get off. He should if the
laws apply some quotes that I remember because I said
them on the show, they never should have even brought
this case against him. If this is in self defense.
There's no such thing of self defense. I mean, this
was It's amazing to show you the power of the
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corporate democrat, leftist media here creating this perception that this
was a close call. This is not a close call, folks.
If someone runs up to you and you are running
away from them and they swing a skateboard at your head,
they try to grab the gun that's in your hands,
a threatening to kill you, or they have they wave
(31:38):
an a legal handgun in your face. You are allowed
to use force to defend yourself or else. There's no
such things of self defense. By the way, Writtenhouse got
a totally right. He's like self defense was on trial here.
The left does at some level want you to have
to submit to the will of the mob. And if
that means they're going to burn down your store, or
your house, or your neighborhood, they have social justice behind them.
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You're not allowed to stand in the way. That fortunately
was not the outcome of this particular case Will in Cleveland, Ohio.
It's got some Sandman thoughts. What's up Will afternoon. My
point is with these lawsuits, the non disclaimer, it was
disappointment by Sandman. They accepted the non disclaimer and can't
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speak about it. I think it needs to be clear
the price of dishonesty and what good does revenge if
no one knows about it. You got people claiming, oh,
they paid Shandman five thousand just to go away. It
was a nuisance lawsuit. I know it's not my money,
but I would like for Kyle to not sign a
non disclaimer and let the whole world know. Yeah and yeah,
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thanks Nicaul. I mean, there are a lot of people
out there who would like to see Kyle Rittenhouse take
this case to court. Again. I kind of laid out
the challenges that are embedded in that case, and that
is the precedent right now of New York Times v.
Sullivan makes it hard for a public figure to recover
substantial sums of money absent actual malice, which is why
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he said I think he's been coached by lawyers for
purposes of filing a lawsuit when he said to Tucker Carlson,
I think it was actual malice. That to me feels
like he's got lawsuits ready to file. And to the
caller's point, the NDA, the non disclosure agreement where we
don't really know what Samman got as a result of
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these lawsuits. The difference there for sam Man versus Rittenhouse
from a precedent perspective, buck is sam Man totally was innocent,
just stood on the steps and became a sort of
an attack dog for the left wing. They just ridiculed him,
whereas Rittenhouse was in a trial which made him a
public figure to a degree that Sam Man was not.
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But I do think that when you're talking about someone
of like Joe Biden of his atcher as a candidate
for president of the United States, I mean, would it
be let's test this theory out. Could he say that that,
you know, Kyle Rittenhouse was a rapist? Could he just
say that because he felt like it without any basis
for it. I mean, you're getting pretty close to it
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when you call Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist and a murderer,
and well, yeah, animal, but he was, you know, they
charged him with homicide. So you're gonna get You're gonna
get people that will will say that to be sure,
but the angle, But I also think what it shows
you is that white supremacist and this has been an
intentional program of the left, has been expanded as a
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term beyond recognition. White supremacy is anything they want to
call white. You're basically if you're a white person, you're
a white supremacy or there are aspects of white supremacy
that they'll identify in every system. And isn't this amazing
when you ask for proof of white supremacy in that
system that is in and of itself, proof of white supremacy.
I wish that they had people in schools reading more
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about the Soviet Union and the Goolag and disinformation and
Pravda and the KGB and the FSB and all these
different entities within the Soviet orbit Clay for how they
did disinformation, how they broke people. It was never about
believing the lies that the polite boro actually believed. It
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was about affirming the things that everyone knew was a lie.
That's the society. That's when you're truly broken, and that
is what the left wants for America. You cannot even
agree upon the most foundational truth. Whatever we tell you
is what is true. Not only that where if you
speak out, you become a target and you're not allowed
to live your normal life, which is what so many
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people fear right now. One bit of positivity here in
the final minute. Buck got a great show for you tomorrow.
The new Ghostbusters is fantastic. I'm gonna go see it.
If you're out with your family for the holiday season
and you need to go see something that with your kids,
your grandkids, and you liked the original Ghostbusters back in
nineteen eighty four, you will like this version in twenty
(36:04):
twenty one. My kids loved it, Buck, you'll love it.
Ali on the show will love it. Anybody who liked
old school Ghostbusters, my wife loved it. They will have
some fun watching it. It's a good holiday distraction if
everybody's going crazy around the house. It's amazing, folks to
see how much the Clay Traviston Buck Sexton Show is
(36:24):
catching on. Please tell more people about it across the country.
We want folks to know. We want them to tune
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