January 10, 2022 • 37 mins
CDC's Walensky drops data bombs on Biden covid narrative: 75% of covid deaths had 4 co-morbidities. Untrue covid arguments shattered faith in SCOTUS. Nobel prize-winning doctor echoes C&B in blockbuster WSJ op-ed: We may have an epidemic of the vaccinated. Pelosi and Dems have nothing but failure to run on. C&B take calls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
I did. NFL playoffs are set, we got the National
Championship game between Alabama and Georgia. To night's football heaven
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for those of us out there who love football. It's
also Buck Sexton the Dark Ages for the Biden COVID regime.
Everything it feels like is falling apart for them, as
it pertains to the overall narrative of Joe Biden's entire
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twenty twenty presidential campaign. He said, I'm gonna shut down
the virus. I'm not gonna shut down the economy, and
the virus is surging, and it feels like to me, Buck,
and I'm curious if you got this sense too. Ever,
since the Supreme Court arguments on Friday, which we talked
a lot about over the COVID vaccine mandate, that Biden
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has lost control. Finally of the narrative, We've got a
couple eclips of Rochelle Willinski, the CDC director, that I'm
gonna get to in a moment but Buck, you're in
New York City, the place with basically the highest COVID
rate of infection once more, two years later, effectively after
March of twenty twenty. What is the vibe on the ground.
And do you also have the sense that I do
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coming out of this weekend that basically the Biden White
House has just finally lost control of the COVID narrative
that they're trying to sell to the American public. The
narrative is in free fall. It's I mean to say
it's collapsing is one thing. I think it's actually going
in the other direction too. It's not just that people
are ceasing to believe a lot of what the established
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consensus storyline is. They're saying they're starting to finally and
I think this is a good thing. Say wait a second,
how long have they been wrong about this? Why should
we trust this narrative going forward? Why should the apparatus
have so much control over our lives? Clay, it was
just bombshell after bombshell the last a few days with
what's being said, Because first of all, let's just all
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take a step back. We've had this enormous fight over
mandates and in New York City. They implemented it the
federal government. Just to remind everybody is supposed to start,
I believe today the initial phase, although it's really a
phased in process of the ocean mandate. Right. That's why
we had the Supreme Court oral arguments, and this is
why there's the urgency of whether it be a stay.
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So you're in the phase now where technically the federal
government is supposed to be forcing these shots into people's
arms or they can get a test every week and
be harassed forever and be masked up and you know,
or get fired. Right, that's where we are Clay. Up
to forty percent of COVID patients, according to Rochelle will
Lenski in the CDC in the hospital may be there
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for other reasons. I mean, I know they have this audio,
but the numbers now are telling us what we've been
saying along, which is COVID is dangerous to a small
percentage of the overall US population. The vaccines do not
stop the spread. They've had to admit that. I mean,
that's obvious now. They do not stop the spread, and
they might be dramatically overcounting. The CDC might be dramatically
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overcounting hospitalizations and deaths. Yes, and we're gonna play a
couple of these clips for you. I also there's a
great editorial I shared it. We're going to talk about
this too, because I think it ties in to this
overall crumbling foundation of the Biden COVID narrative on the
opinion page of the Wall Street Journal. Omicron makes Biden's
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mandates obsolete. If you want to do a little reading
during a commercial break here and a little bit, we're
going to talk about that piece, which is written, by
the way, by a Nobel Prize winning physician, so it's
kind of a significant significant person to be writing that story.
But first, Rochelle will Lyinsky, it seems to me to
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some extent, has been deputized as the official sudden truthteller.
Now she's not sharing data that you and I buck
haven't been talking about for a long time. But what's
landing here is this data is blowing people away, and
it's also making people realize stop and say, wait a minute,
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why have we not known about this before? And what
else are they not telling us? Now, there are a
couple of different clips that I want to play here Friday.
Rochelle will Lyinsky went on Good Morning America and she
said that what we've talked about for a long time
that the people who are dying with COVID have four
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or more comorbidities. Often listen to cut three of Rochelle
will Lyinsky, CDC Director Friday on Good Morning America. The
overwhelming number of debts, over seventy five occurred in people
who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are
people who were unwell to begin with. Okay, So this
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is what we've been saying. If you are not well,
if you have a high level of obesity, you are
under particular risk from COVID. This has been data that
the CDC has been unwilling to share with the American
public on shows like Good Morning America, with people like
Rochelle Walinsky sharing it. So if you missed that, over
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seventy five percent, she said, of deaths are occurring in
people with at least four comorbidities, and these people are
not well, she is saying, okay now. Also, she went
on Sunday with Brett Baer on Fox News Sunday and
she was asked directly what percentage of the people that
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are counted as COVID deaths died from COVID, not with COVID.
Listen to this with I'm a crime, following that very carefully.
Our death registry, of course takes a few weeks to
and takes a few weeks to collect, and of course
Omicron has just been with us for a few weeks.
But those data will be forthcoming, all right. So really
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the question there is an important part from Brett Bayer too,
because he says directly, buck, hey, there's eight hundred and
thirty five thousand deaths that are attributed to COVID, how
many of those are deaths with COVID? That is, people
have many different comorbidities, and other words, if you're in hospice,
and as often unfortunately occurs in a hospice, you die
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not with any one particular cause. You might have pneumonia,
you might have the flu, you might also have COVID.
You have many different illnesses oftentimes that are occurring simultaneously,
but you are on your way to death. Otherwise that
would be counted as a COVID death. Or memorably, as
has sometimes happened, if you come in to the hospital
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after getting hit by a bus and you test positive
for cod you are COVID debt. Okay, So how could
we have had anything even approaching a rational and reasonable
policy discussion, Clay, when this CDC is effectively telling us
the numbers. And remember the numbers are what they used
to justify everything. There was a time when New York
City was shutting down schools because of the positivity rate
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of COVID tests, which makes zero sense, right, I mean,
it's how many people are taking tests. Are asymptomatic people
taking tests? Are people? They have had the numbers game
being played this whole time. And now when they say
things like seventy five percent of COVID deaths are those
who are essentially at high risk of dying from the
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flu any number of respiratory people with four comorbidities. I mean,
that's that's statistically someone who is at risk from just
day to day life. We're all going there, by the way,
We're all going to be at that point. But when
I hear us say that, I have to think about
all the lives, because remember they also tell us everybody
who is dying almost everybody, I should say, who was
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dying the hospital is unvaccinated. I find that the most
recent data on that was pretty stunning. It's like point
zero zero three percent of those dying are vaccinated. So
they're saying every one of the hospital in the US
who is dying? I know I find that. I find
that not but the CDC is saying it. But just
take that for a moment and pause and just think
about what that means. Think of all the lives that
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could have been saved if we had gotten ninety nine
point nine percent of those truly at risk vaccinated instead
of firing thirty five year old nurses with natural immunity
and trying to force everyone's ten year old to get
the shot. Think of the dispersal of resources, the lack
of trust, the authoritarian overreach that has been created by
trying to do this and not just mass vaccination, mass
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booster campaign. Now for everybody, people looking around saying, who
are the morons in charge that think this is actually
working well? And what this represents to me, Buck is
the internal polling in the White House on COVID must
be a disaster right now for Joe Biden, because the
first thing I say is okay, they're going to now
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start sharing data that frankly, when you and I would
share it on social media. What would we get told, oh,
you're trying to kill Grandma's You would sometimes be told, hey,
you can't share this. It appears to me that big tech,
and I'm curious if you buy into this, it seems
like big tech has stopped restricting the spread in many
ways of critical, critical commentary surrounding COVID all this I got.
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I just got hit my Facebook account. I got diging
the last twenty four hours for something I said on
this show, which we then shared at Facebook dot com
slashblock Sexton. So we're now fighting with them as an untruth.
They said, like, this is this independent fact checkers. I
have run circles as have you, around these independent fact
checkers for months when you look at what is actually true,
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who ends up being right versus who is going along
with the narrative at the time? Journalism, Big Tech, my friends,
they have betrayed not only their professions but this country
over the course of the pandemic by refusing to stand
for truth, refusing to make sure there's accountability for the
abomination of a CDC, which is at this point they're
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the worst three letter agency in the federal government, which
is an astonishing accomplishment and the people who are doing
these fact checks, well, that's interesting that you just got
ding because what I have noticed is it seems like
there now is a willingness to have a debate about
what's going on surrounding the COVID vaccine. And I continue
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to say COVID vaccine in question and quotation marks, because
the question that I asked Buck that got everybody riled
up last week on Twitter was just this, name me
any other vaccine in quotation marks that you have to
get three or four shots in a year and it
doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading the virus. I've
never heard of that happen. This is the crappy vaccine.
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And anybody's ever heard of I mean, no one's ever
been sitting around saying, yeah, you know, get the MMR
vaccines and maybe get them four times a year for
the rest of your life, and maybe it works, maybe
it doesn't. Doesn't stop the spread. Of course, this is
not what we thought of when this is not what
they told us. To be very clear, they said ninety
five percent protection. You don't get it, you don't spread it.
But Clay, to your point about social media, what I
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think we're seeing is that it's more apparent now that
there are some people who are allowed to say what
you and I say, And so that's okay. Now what
are you and I allowed to say it? Right? Can
I say that the vaccines don't stop the spread? I
might get danged, I might get shut down, But Rochelle
Wilenski can go and say it right. It's about who
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can say what, which just goes to show you this
is all about power dynamics and has been all along,
and politics and the politics I think on this are
disastrous now for Joe Biden, and I think they are
trying to figure out they're in a tough spot right
because they used COVID to keep Donald Trump from getting
reelected twenty twenty, all of the death counters, which miraculously
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have disappeared, even though the deaths are continuing to go up,
all of the nuance surrounding these numbers. Wait a minute,
what's the difference between the COVID death with COVID versus
COVID because a death because of COVID. These were conversations
that were not allowed to happen. And now as they
look ahead to the red wave that is coming in
twenty twenty two to this mid term. As every single
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day Buck more and more people my phone. I don't
know about you, but there are friends of mine that
I will hear from pretty regularly who may have been
critical of some of my COVID comments earlier, and they're like, man,
I'm starting to look at the data and a lot
of what you've been saying is true. Yeah, it's not
like I'm pretending to be a Nobel Prize winning scientist.
I'm just looking at the data and using it to
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inform my opinions, which is what all intelligent people should do.
And there are Nobel Prize winning scientists that kind of
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What was that now that that was back in August?
I believe right, yes, August fifth, Rochelle Willinsky, welcome back
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they've known that. Then, what was the basis for the mandate? Exactly?
Because they were also telling us, remember, Biden, your patriotic duty,
and you know that's when he is awake enough to
read off the prompter and you say, hold on a second,
why is it a duty to protect others if it
doesn't actually protect others? And now are we really going
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to accept the pretense there there's two other arguments they're trying. Now,
this is what we happens. They're wrong, and then all
of a sudden they change the basis for their wrongness, right,
they say the Fauciites will say, okay, well, it's really
about making sure that you are protected. This is for
your own good. Well, hold on a second. There are
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a lot of people for whom the vaccine, especially if
they have natural immunity, their own good ain't good enough.
They're if you're thirty five years old, then really and
then you know, just in any kind of shape, honestly,
unless you're severely ill, you may decide you don't want
to do it, so that at rationale's breaking down. The
other rationale clay that they're trotting out here is, oh,
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but the vaccinated, I'm sorry, the unvaccinated fill up the
hospitals and prevent people from being able to get cardiac care.
Let's just look at this rationally for a second. A
year ago, there were basically no vaccines, okay, no vaccines,
and people were getting sick at unprecedented levels with a
much more dangerous virus. We didn't have hospitals unable to provide.
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The overrunning of the hospitals thing has never hospitals have
been stretched. They've had to expand it, but they've had
to do that for a long time, for bad flu seasons,
other things too. I just feel like there are arguments
now don't add up. And I'm not the only one.
There's a guy in the Wall Street Journal on the
mandates who's a Nobel Prize winner who's saying, yeah, this
is just all nonsense now, yeah, and he makes a
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really strong case. In fact, I'm going to unpack this
a little bit more. Because you and I were so disgusted,
I would say I was particularly disgusted by the untruths
that peppered the oral arguments surrounding the Biden vaccine mandate
discussion in the Supreme Court, in particular, when Justice Sonia
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Sade Mayor said, we have and I'm reading a direct
quote from her, over one hundred thousand children in serious condition,
many on ventilators. I bet there's not a hundred kids
a hundred kids in on ventilators in this country right now.
There are only thirty five hundred kids that are hospitalized
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with COVID right now in the country, period and buck
as we know, a vast majority of those kids, based
on data, are likely to be hospitalized with COVID, meaning
they're in the hospital with something else and they have
tested positive for COVID. So all of this madness, and
then as we talked about too, Justice Stephen Bryer seem
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to believe that if people would just get vaccinated, the
seven hundred and fifty thousand new cases that are happening
every day would cease to exist. It's a level of
misapprehension and fundamental dishonesty. If they know that what they're
saying is untrue. It it's so scary to me that
the Supreme Court justices could be this poorly informed as
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an institution. People lost faith in the intellectual level of
some of the Supreme Court justices that are making these
decisions after their COVID arguments. That's what really happened there, folks.
They're no doubt they're not well informed enough to even
be engaged in a debate, never mind to be engaged
in what is effectively the making of law on this issue.
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And I gotta give credit. Buck. The two pages that
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I'm most interested in seeing every single day are the
Wall Street Journal editorial pages. They are by far the
most honest, the most interesting, the most thought provoking, and
the most fact based and fearless, I would say, of
any newspaper pages in the media. And I'm old school
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in the sense that I still read the actual physical newspaper.
So I turned to it this morning, Buck, when the
Wall Street Journal got to the house, and I read
this piece, and I might mangle these names. Luke Montagnier,
that's the French pronunciation montagner. If you're a Southern guy,
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I have no idea how exactly to anounced it. And
Jeb Jed Rubinfeld wrote a headline here, Omicron makes Biden's
mandates obsolete and buck the entire argument here is effectively
there is and this is an emboldened part of their peace.
There is no evidence so far that vaccines are reducing
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infections from the fast spreading omicron variant, and they argue
that as a result, there is no scientific basis whatsoever
for OSHA's vaccine mandate. And they close their piece by saying,
neither Health and Human Services nor OSHA ever considered omicron
or set a word about vaccine efficacy against it, for
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the simple reason that it hadn't yet been discovered. In
these circumstances, longstanding legal principles require that justice is to
stay the mandates and send them back to the agencies
for a fresh look. Which is an interesting argument which
I hadn't even thought about, was well said by these
guys in this article, because at the time of the
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Biden COVID vaccine mandate, omicron didn't exist, and so they
need to reconsider the science behind their argument. And so
the Supreme Court could just send this back to HHS
and say HSA OSHA and say you have to redo
this entire vaccine mandate because the science upon which you
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relied has changed. It's a little bit of a way
to dodge having to make a big decision about executive authority. Right,
this is a moment in time where any reasonable rational
decision making bodies of the Supreme Court osha itself. Oh,
I don't know the Biden regime, the mouthpieces at the CDC.
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You know, where's little Fauci. I haven't seen him in
five minutes. You know, I don't know what's going on.
It's been five minutes without him on my fifty screen,
and you say, hold on a second. Someone explained to
me how this makes any sense given the reality that
the underlying justification for this, they took it out of
individual hands, your rights, your freedom as a person to
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not have something injected into you or else you would
face serious consequences. I mean, in New York City, you're
effectively locked in your home unless you get the shot.
It's horrible what they've done to people here. Okay, that
was all based on the oh, I can't be near
you because you're gonna get me sick. Well, now we know,
unless you're gonna avoid all human contact, you might actually
get exposed to COVID, vaccinated or unvaccinated, and they can't
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even distinguish between the two in terms of infection likelihood
anymore or viral spread. And unless I'm missing something, unless
there's some data I don't know about, they did do
recent studies to show that those who are vaccinated versus
unvaccinated who do get infected have about the same level
of virus in their naso pharynx. Right, so in terms
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of initial in fact, maybe for the first sixty days, Clay,
you're more protective. Of the first ninety days you more protected,
but after that you're not. So what's really the justification
here for making people not get or making people get
the shot They don't They don't have, They're just coming
up with it on the fly. This is maybe the
most blockbuster part of the entire article here that I'm
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reading from the Wall Street Journal. For those of you
out there, I shared this on Twitter. Encourage you to
go read the article for yourself again. One of the
writers here doctor Montagnier, what I've pronounced his name just
lean into the French. He was a winner of the
two thousand and eight Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
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for discovering HIV. So this guy's kind of a big deal.
U Nobel Prize winner. All right, listen to this paragraph, Buck,
because this is a jaw dropping paragraph. And I think
we're going to talk some with Alex Barnson about this
tomorrow in the third hour of the program for those
of you out there who want to hear this discussion.
But here's what they say. The little data we have
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suggest the opposite in terms of omicron protecting vaccinated people.
One preprint study found that after thirty days, the Maderna
and Fiser vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive
effect against omicron infection just thirty days. But listen to this,
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and after ninety days, their effect went negative. That is,
vaccinated people were more susceptible to omicron infection. Confirming this
negative efficacy finding, data from Denmark and the Canadian province
of Ontario indicate vaccinated people have higher rates of omicron
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infection than unvaccinated people. Buck. If this paragraph that I'm
reading from in the Wall Street Journal, is correct, not
only is there not now as Joe Biden has been
saying four months a pandemic of the unvaccinated, what we
actually have in this country, Buck, based on this paragraph
and these studies would be a pandemic of the vaccinated,
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it's earth shattering. I guarantee that if Clay or I
or any of our brothers and sisters in the conservative
movement took those exact words and forget about attribution and
plagiarism for a second, okay, just for the purpose of
the analogy or for the story here, took those exact words,
put them onto our Facebook page, or put them on
to Twitter, a very high likelihood that you would get
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a strike, you'd be suspended and maybe permanently suspended for
taking the words of a Nobel Prize winner in science
on what's happening right now based on the data. So
can we all understand the people that are telling you
it's the science are cowards, they're liars, and they don't
know what the heck they're talking about. That corporate media
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in general lie with the Democrats, has failed to even
do the most basic due diligence on faucism. They've been
at every stage of this pandemic pretending to have the
answer Clay based upon things that they clearly could not
really know. But they said, we're one hundred percent sure.
I mean, at what point is I'm one hundred percent sure?
And then I'm actually wrong because I wasn't sure. The
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same thing as a lie right to say that we
know these vaccines work so well and we'll stop transmission
and we'll stop infection, and to find out catastrophically how
much that's not true. Well, it's not like they said,
we think. They said we know and you must get
based on you must get the shot based on us knowing,
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And they didn't, and they were wrong, And there needs
to be accountability for that, because otherwise, how can we
trust what they say going forward? Why should anyone listen
to the next Fauci pronouncement. Oh, I'm sure you'll see
him walking around in three masks in a matter of
weeks now, because he takes the virus seriously. By the way,
does AOC take the virus seriously? Because she just got infected,
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she was not gonna take along. It's not gonna take
long to AOC bring blames the santis for her for
her covid infection, by the way, her covid infection post
double vaccine, post booster holiday gift giving season. By the way,
she's also going to be fine. Maybe the virus was
just supremely attracted to her because she's so good looking. Right,
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learn to hear that. Have a little laugh. Nancy Pelosi
is now deploying the tactic that you will see. They've
been doing it for a while, but you'll see all
this year they got nothing. Biden's a joke. They didn't
defeat COVID. In fact, COVID is defeating Biden's plans as
we see every day here, mandates and the government overreach
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if I said the best thing Biden has accomplished this
year or this administration with Democrat control of Congress, I mean,
I don't. I don't really have a uf I don't
have any Do you have something? It's it's it's honestly
hard to come up with anything. If I were trying
to spin for him at this point, I would, I
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mean it, I had one. I feel like we had
this conversation like six months ago, and I was able
to come up with something. But I don't even I
feel like six months ago you could at least argue
based on the data. While COVID has gotten better, the
vaccines have helped to tamp down the overall COVID situation.
But I can't even think. The only thing I can
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think of, honestly is he's maintained a lot of the
policies of Trump against China. I thought you might go there.
The smartest things that he has done of this the
only thing I thought he could argue. I mean, and
you know, it seems like he's going back to stay
in Mexico. The policy that Trump had put in place, uh,
you know, and so the border has been obviously a disaster.
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But all I could point to is he hasn't been
as weak on China as I was afraid he was
going to be. And mostly he's kept in place the
Trump China policies so far. That's the only thing I
can say in a positive way. Yes, Rob in Cleveland, Ohio.
I want to take some of your calls, so let
us know what's up. Eight hundred two two two two,
what's up? Rob? Hey, guys, thank you so much for
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taking my call. I love you guys and appreciate all
that you're doing for us. So I had a thought,
as we've been thinking about and seeing the evidence come
out about the limitations of the COVID shot or the vaccine,
and I'm wondering if it's leaving open an opportunity for
the left and the liberals to spin it in such
a way against you know, President Trump and against Operation
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Warp Speed and thinking back to you know, Kamala Harris
and Joe Biden's you know, comments during the campaign about
not trusting the vaccine. Do you see do you see
this as maybe a door open for them to spin it? Rob,
I'll tell you thank you for calling from Cleveland. I'll
tell you my thoughts, and Clay would tell you his
on this one. I will say, I don't see that
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as likely. Now you're asking for kind of a prediction here.
I don't think that the narrative will become Trump's. Operation
Warp Speed was the failure because the Democrats so wholeheartedly
co opted and then deployed and acted like they had
perfected Warp Speed. And you know, the distribution. Remember when
the distribution of the vaccine was the whole, big, the
big challenge, and the Biden people were saying, oh, we're
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so much better. Oh yeah, that's right. The logistics chain
folks in the Biden regime, we're telling you in the
very beginning that they were so much better at this.
Think about that for a second. When you go to
the grocery store and it's like no milk on the shelves,
near you, But Clay, I don't see it. Do you
think that? Do you think that's their next maneuver here?
I don't see that as likely, but I mean, who knows.
I think one way you can think it's an interesting call.
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And I've continued to hammer this drum because I think
it represents fundamental bias. Imagine if Trump were still president
and COVID was similar to what it is today, which
I think it would be, because I think the thing
we have learned is politicians are not going to solve
COVID or shut it down, despite what Biden claimed in
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twenty twenty. Yet the media to a large extent is
giving Biden a pass on COVID, whereas they tried to
hang every single COVID death around Donald Trump's you know,
a neck and blame him for everything COVID related. I mean,
it's not a coincidence that Joe Biden ends up in
office and the COVID death tracker at MSNBC and CNN
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eventually disappears. What I do think is likely to happen
is there will be there will be a concerted effort
to try and make it not Joe Biden's fault. And
I think rather than blame Trump. The new pivot is, well,
there's nothing we could have done. This is a once
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in a hundred years pandemic, and so Joe Biden has
done the best job that he could have, which they
never would have said about Trump. And I do think
it's worth pointing out that there is, at least so far,
I think very likely protection. And this is why, again
Buck and I continue to say this, if I were
a senior citizen, I would go get every COVID shot
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I could, and I would get the booster. And if
I was morbidly obese or even just significantly obese, I
would go get the COVID shots because the data reflects
that the elderly and the obese are particularly susceptible as disease,
and I think those shots can help as much as possible.
Just we keep reiterating this. Clay's parents vaccinated and boosted,
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My parents vaccinated and boost That's right. Judge, you know,
judge people at some level by their actions. First and
foremost right, so vaccinated and boosted because they're in that
age category, and there are some comorbidities to take into account.
All right, we've all I got interesting call here from
Casey in Elk Grove, California. Casey, what's going on? I
see a slew of wrongful termination lawsuits coming because the
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reason for firing all these people is no longer valid. Interesting, Clay,
what do you think? Well, I'm not, at first of all,
an expert in every state's labor unemployment law wrong full
termination lawsuits, but I do think it's significant les less
likely than those lawsuits. I think buck is what we're
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seeing now. They are now bringing back COVID positive nurses. Again,
let me repeat this. COVID positive nurses are being brought
back because there is such a lack of nursing capability,
because so many people are testing positive for omicron, and
because they fired people. I think what's more likely is
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a lot of businesses are going to say, if you
were good at your job before and you left over
vaccine mandates, I think a lot of business are going
to be given difficulties of hiring, reaching back out to
some of those people and saying, if the Supreme Court
puts a stay in place and or strikes down this
vaccine mandate, I think you'll see a rapid response to
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bring back those people not needing. As many lawsuits as
a result. But the real monster here, folks, the many
headed hydra that led to the terminations of people from
their jobs, was government policy. Just remember that it was
the government under this Biden regime that kicked in and
said you get the shot or you get fired, because
they made it impossible for businesses to continue operations. They
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were going to find them, they were going to harass them,
and in places like New York, there there's no choice
at all. It wasn't even a function of whether you
wanted testing or something else. Speaking of New York, is
this place doomed? We got a new mayor, We've got
some big things that happened last few days. I'll give
you the straight scoop on what's happening here. We'll talk
about some other things too across the country. Stick around.
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You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I hope all of you had fantastic weekends.
I did. NFL playoffs are set, we got the National
Championship game between Alabama and Georgia. To night's football heaven
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for those of us out there who love football. It's
also Buck Sexton the Dark Ages for the Biden COVID regime.
Everything it feels like is falling apart for them, as
it pertains to the overall narrative of Joe Biden's entire
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twenty twenty presidential campaign. He said, I'm gonna shut down
the virus. I'm not gonna shut down the economy, and
the virus is surging, and it feels like to me, Buck,
and I'm curious if you got this sense too. Ever,
since the Supreme Court arguments on Friday, which we talked
a lot about over the COVID vaccine mandate, that Biden
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has lost control. Finally of the narrative, We've got a
couple eclips of Rochelle Willinski, the CDC director, that I'm
gonna get to in a moment but Buck, you're in
New York City, the place with basically the highest COVID
rate of infection once more, two years later, effectively after
March of twenty twenty. What is the vibe on the ground.
And do you also have the sense that I do
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coming out of this weekend that basically the Biden White
House has just finally lost control of the COVID narrative
that they're trying to sell to the American public. The
narrative is in free fall. It's I mean to say
it's collapsing is one thing. I think it's actually going
in the other direction too. It's not just that people
are ceasing to believe a lot of what the established
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consensus storyline is. They're saying they're starting to finally and
I think this is a good thing. Say wait a second,
how long have they been wrong about this? Why should
we trust this narrative going forward? Why should the apparatus
have so much control over our lives? Clay, it was
just bombshell after bombshell the last a few days with
what's being said, Because first of all, let's just all
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take a step back. We've had this enormous fight over
mandates and in New York City. They implemented it the
federal government. Just to remind everybody is supposed to start,
I believe today the initial phase, although it's really a
phased in process of the ocean mandate. Right. That's why
we had the Supreme Court oral arguments, and this is
why there's the urgency of whether it be a stay.
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So you're in the phase now where technically the federal
government is supposed to be forcing these shots into people's
arms or they can get a test every week and
be harassed forever and be masked up and you know,
or get fired. Right, that's where we are Clay. Up
to forty percent of COVID patients, according to Rochelle will
Lenski in the CDC in the hospital may be there
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for other reasons. I mean, I know they have this audio,
but the numbers now are telling us what we've been
saying along, which is COVID is dangerous to a small
percentage of the overall US population. The vaccines do not
stop the spread. They've had to admit that. I mean,
that's obvious now. They do not stop the spread, and
they might be dramatically overcounting. The CDC might be dramatically
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overcounting hospitalizations and deaths. Yes, and we're gonna play a
couple of these clips for you. I also there's a
great editorial I shared it. We're going to talk about
this too, because I think it ties in to this
overall crumbling foundation of the Biden COVID narrative on the
opinion page of the Wall Street Journal. Omicron makes Biden's
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mandates obsolete. If you want to do a little reading
during a commercial break here and a little bit, we're
going to talk about that piece, which is written, by
the way, by a Nobel Prize winning physician, so it's
kind of a significant significant person to be writing that story.
But first, Rochelle will Lyinsky, it seems to me to
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some extent, has been deputized as the official sudden truthteller.
Now she's not sharing data that you and I buck
haven't been talking about for a long time. But what's
landing here is this data is blowing people away, and
it's also making people realize stop and say, wait a minute,
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why have we not known about this before? And what
else are they not telling us? Now, there are a
couple of different clips that I want to play here Friday.
Rochelle will Lyinsky went on Good Morning America and she
said that what we've talked about for a long time
that the people who are dying with COVID have four
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or more comorbidities. Often listen to cut three of Rochelle
will Lyinsky, CDC Director Friday on Good Morning America. The
overwhelming number of debts, over seventy five occurred in people
who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are
people who were unwell to begin with. Okay, So this
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is what we've been saying. If you are not well,
if you have a high level of obesity, you are
under particular risk from COVID. This has been data that
the CDC has been unwilling to share with the American
public on shows like Good Morning America, with people like
Rochelle Walinsky sharing it. So if you missed that, over
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seventy five percent, she said, of deaths are occurring in
people with at least four comorbidities, and these people are
not well, she is saying, okay now. Also, she went
on Sunday with Brett Baer on Fox News Sunday and
she was asked directly what percentage of the people that
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are counted as COVID deaths died from COVID, not with COVID.
Listen to this with I'm a crime, following that very carefully.
Our death registry, of course takes a few weeks to
and takes a few weeks to collect, and of course
Omicron has just been with us for a few weeks.
But those data will be forthcoming, all right. So really
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the question there is an important part from Brett Bayer too,
because he says directly, buck, hey, there's eight hundred and
thirty five thousand deaths that are attributed to COVID, how
many of those are deaths with COVID? That is, people
have many different comorbidities, and other words, if you're in hospice,
and as often unfortunately occurs in a hospice, you die
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not with any one particular cause. You might have pneumonia,
you might have the flu, you might also have COVID.
You have many different illnesses oftentimes that are occurring simultaneously,
but you are on your way to death. Otherwise that
would be counted as a COVID death. Or memorably, as
has sometimes happened, if you come in to the hospital
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after getting hit by a bus and you test positive
for cod you are COVID debt. Okay, So how could
we have had anything even approaching a rational and reasonable
policy discussion, Clay, when this CDC is effectively telling us
the numbers. And remember the numbers are what they used
to justify everything. There was a time when New York
City was shutting down schools because of the positivity rate
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of COVID tests, which makes zero sense, right, I mean,
it's how many people are taking tests. Are asymptomatic people
taking tests? Are people? They have had the numbers game
being played this whole time. And now when they say
things like seventy five percent of COVID deaths are those
who are essentially at high risk of dying from the
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flu any number of respiratory people with four comorbidities. I mean,
that's that's statistically someone who is at risk from just
day to day life. We're all going there, by the way,
We're all going to be at that point. But when
I hear us say that, I have to think about
all the lives, because remember they also tell us everybody
who is dying almost everybody, I should say, who was
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dying the hospital is unvaccinated. I find that the most
recent data on that was pretty stunning. It's like point
zero zero three percent of those dying are vaccinated. So
they're saying every one of the hospital in the US
who is dying? I know I find that. I find
that not but the CDC is saying it. But just
take that for a moment and pause and just think
about what that means. Think of all the lives that
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could have been saved if we had gotten ninety nine
point nine percent of those truly at risk vaccinated instead
of firing thirty five year old nurses with natural immunity
and trying to force everyone's ten year old to get
the shot. Think of the dispersal of resources, the lack
of trust, the authoritarian overreach that has been created by
trying to do this and not just mass vaccination, mass
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booster campaign. Now for everybody, people looking around saying, who
are the morons in charge that think this is actually
working well? And what this represents to me, Buck is
the internal polling in the White House on COVID must
be a disaster right now for Joe Biden, because the
first thing I say is okay, they're going to now
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start sharing data that frankly, when you and I would
share it on social media. What would we get told, oh,
you're trying to kill Grandma's You would sometimes be told, hey,
you can't share this. It appears to me that big tech,
and I'm curious if you buy into this, it seems
like big tech has stopped restricting the spread in many
ways of critical, critical commentary surrounding COVID all this I got.
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I just got hit my Facebook account. I got diging
the last twenty four hours for something I said on
this show, which we then shared at Facebook dot com
slashblock Sexton. So we're now fighting with them as an untruth.
They said, like, this is this independent fact checkers. I
have run circles as have you, around these independent fact
checkers for months when you look at what is actually true,
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who ends up being right versus who is going along
with the narrative at the time? Journalism, Big Tech, my friends,
they have betrayed not only their professions but this country
over the course of the pandemic by refusing to stand
for truth, refusing to make sure there's accountability for the
abomination of a CDC, which is at this point they're
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the worst three letter agency in the federal government, which
is an astonishing accomplishment and the people who are doing
these fact checks, well, that's interesting that you just got
ding because what I have noticed is it seems like
there now is a willingness to have a debate about
what's going on surrounding the COVID vaccine. And I continue
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to say COVID vaccine in question and quotation marks, because
the question that I asked Buck that got everybody riled
up last week on Twitter was just this, name me
any other vaccine in quotation marks that you have to
get three or four shots in a year and it
doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading the virus. I've
never heard of that happen. This is the crappy vaccine.
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And anybody's ever heard of I mean, no one's ever
been sitting around saying, yeah, you know, get the MMR
vaccines and maybe get them four times a year for
the rest of your life, and maybe it works, maybe
it doesn't. Doesn't stop the spread. Of course, this is
not what we thought of when this is not what
they told us. To be very clear, they said ninety
five percent protection. You don't get it, you don't spread it.
But Clay, to your point about social media, what I
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think we're seeing is that it's more apparent now that
there are some people who are allowed to say what
you and I say, And so that's okay. Now what
are you and I allowed to say it? Right? Can
I say that the vaccines don't stop the spread? I
might get danged, I might get shut down, But Rochelle
Wilenski can go and say it right. It's about who
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can say what, which just goes to show you this
is all about power dynamics and has been all along,
and politics and the politics I think on this are
disastrous now for Joe Biden, and I think they are
trying to figure out they're in a tough spot right
because they used COVID to keep Donald Trump from getting
reelected twenty twenty, all of the death counters, which miraculously
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have disappeared, even though the deaths are continuing to go up,
all of the nuance surrounding these numbers. Wait a minute,
what's the difference between the COVID death with COVID versus
COVID because a death because of COVID. These were conversations
that were not allowed to happen. And now as they
look ahead to the red wave that is coming in
twenty twenty two to this mid term. As every single
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day Buck more and more people my phone. I don't
know about you, but there are friends of mine that
I will hear from pretty regularly who may have been
critical of some of my COVID comments earlier, and they're like, man,
I'm starting to look at the data and a lot
of what you've been saying is true. Yeah, it's not
like I'm pretending to be a Nobel Prize winning scientist.
I'm just looking at the data and using it to
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inform my opinions, which is what all intelligent people should do.
And there are Nobel Prize winning scientists that kind of
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they've known that. Then, what was the basis for the mandate? Exactly?
Because they were also telling us, remember, Biden, your patriotic duty,
and you know that's when he is awake enough to
read off the prompter and you say, hold on a second,
why is it a duty to protect others if it
doesn't actually protect others? And now are we really going
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to accept the pretense there there's two other arguments they're trying. Now,
this is what we happens. They're wrong, and then all
of a sudden they change the basis for their wrongness, right,
they say the Fauciites will say, okay, well, it's really
about making sure that you are protected. This is for
your own good. Well, hold on a second. There are
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a lot of people for whom the vaccine, especially if
they have natural immunity, their own good ain't good enough.
They're if you're thirty five years old, then really and
then you know, just in any kind of shape, honestly,
unless you're severely ill, you may decide you don't want
to do it, so that at rationale's breaking down. The
other rationale clay that they're trotting out here is, oh,
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but the vaccinated, I'm sorry, the unvaccinated fill up the
hospitals and prevent people from being able to get cardiac care.
Let's just look at this rationally for a second. A
year ago, there were basically no vaccines, okay, no vaccines,
and people were getting sick at unprecedented levels with a
much more dangerous virus. We didn't have hospitals unable to provide.
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The overrunning of the hospitals thing has never hospitals have
been stretched. They've had to expand it, but they've had
to do that for a long time, for bad flu seasons,
other things too. I just feel like there are arguments
now don't add up. And I'm not the only one.
There's a guy in the Wall Street Journal on the
mandates who's a Nobel Prize winner who's saying, yeah, this
is just all nonsense now, yeah, and he makes a
(16:23):
really strong case. In fact, I'm going to unpack this
a little bit more. Because you and I were so disgusted,
I would say I was particularly disgusted by the untruths
that peppered the oral arguments surrounding the Biden vaccine mandate
discussion in the Supreme Court, in particular, when Justice Sonia
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Sade Mayor said, we have and I'm reading a direct
quote from her, over one hundred thousand children in serious condition,
many on ventilators. I bet there's not a hundred kids
a hundred kids in on ventilators in this country right now.
There are only thirty five hundred kids that are hospitalized
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with COVID right now in the country, period and buck
as we know, a vast majority of those kids, based
on data, are likely to be hospitalized with COVID, meaning
they're in the hospital with something else and they have
tested positive for COVID. So all of this madness, and
then as we talked about too, Justice Stephen Bryer seem
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to believe that if people would just get vaccinated, the
seven hundred and fifty thousand new cases that are happening
every day would cease to exist. It's a level of
misapprehension and fundamental dishonesty. If they know that what they're
saying is untrue. It it's so scary to me that
the Supreme Court justices could be this poorly informed as
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an institution. People lost faith in the intellectual level of
some of the Supreme Court justices that are making these
decisions after their COVID arguments. That's what really happened there, folks.
They're no doubt they're not well informed enough to even
be engaged in a debate, never mind to be engaged
in what is effectively the making of law on this issue.
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And I gotta give credit. Buck. The two pages that
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I'm most interested in seeing every single day are the
Wall Street Journal editorial pages. They are by far the
most honest, the most interesting, the most thought provoking, and
the most fact based and fearless, I would say, of
any newspaper pages in the media. And I'm old school
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in the sense that I still read the actual physical newspaper.
So I turned to it this morning, Buck, when the
Wall Street Journal got to the house, and I read
this piece, and I might mangle these names. Luke Montagnier,
that's the French pronunciation montagner. If you're a Southern guy,
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I have no idea how exactly to anounced it. And
Jeb Jed Rubinfeld wrote a headline here, Omicron makes Biden's
mandates obsolete and buck the entire argument here is effectively
there is and this is an emboldened part of their peace.
There is no evidence so far that vaccines are reducing
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infections from the fast spreading omicron variant, and they argue
that as a result, there is no scientific basis whatsoever
for OSHA's vaccine mandate. And they close their piece by saying,
neither Health and Human Services nor OSHA ever considered omicron
or set a word about vaccine efficacy against it, for
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the simple reason that it hadn't yet been discovered. In
these circumstances, longstanding legal principles require that justice is to
stay the mandates and send them back to the agencies
for a fresh look. Which is an interesting argument which
I hadn't even thought about, was well said by these
guys in this article, because at the time of the
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Biden COVID vaccine mandate, omicron didn't exist, and so they
need to reconsider the science behind their argument. And so
the Supreme Court could just send this back to HHS
and say HSA OSHA and say you have to redo
this entire vaccine mandate because the science upon which you
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relied has changed. It's a little bit of a way
to dodge having to make a big decision about executive authority. Right,
this is a moment in time where any reasonable rational
decision making bodies of the Supreme Court osha itself. Oh,
I don't know the Biden regime, the mouthpieces at the CDC.
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You know, where's little Fauci. I haven't seen him in
five minutes. You know, I don't know what's going on.
It's been five minutes without him on my fifty screen,
and you say, hold on a second. Someone explained to
me how this makes any sense given the reality that
the underlying justification for this, they took it out of
individual hands, your rights, your freedom as a person to
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not have something injected into you or else you would
face serious consequences. I mean, in New York City, you're
effectively locked in your home unless you get the shot.
It's horrible what they've done to people here. Okay, that
was all based on the oh, I can't be near
you because you're gonna get me sick. Well, now we know,
unless you're gonna avoid all human contact, you might actually
get exposed to COVID, vaccinated or unvaccinated, and they can't
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even distinguish between the two in terms of infection likelihood
anymore or viral spread. And unless I'm missing something, unless
there's some data I don't know about, they did do
recent studies to show that those who are vaccinated versus
unvaccinated who do get infected have about the same level
of virus in their naso pharynx. Right, so in terms
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of initial in fact, maybe for the first sixty days, Clay,
you're more protective. Of the first ninety days you more protected,
but after that you're not. So what's really the justification
here for making people not get or making people get
the shot They don't They don't have, They're just coming
up with it on the fly. This is maybe the
most blockbuster part of the entire article here that I'm
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reading from the Wall Street Journal. For those of you
out there, I shared this on Twitter. Encourage you to
go read the article for yourself again. One of the
writers here doctor Montagnier, what I've pronounced his name just
lean into the French. He was a winner of the
two thousand and eight Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
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for discovering HIV. So this guy's kind of a big deal.
U Nobel Prize winner. All right, listen to this paragraph, Buck,
because this is a jaw dropping paragraph. And I think
we're going to talk some with Alex Barnson about this
tomorrow in the third hour of the program for those
of you out there who want to hear this discussion.
But here's what they say. The little data we have
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suggest the opposite in terms of omicron protecting vaccinated people.
One preprint study found that after thirty days, the Maderna
and Fiser vaccines no longer had any statistically significant positive
effect against omicron infection just thirty days. But listen to this,
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and after ninety days, their effect went negative. That is,
vaccinated people were more susceptible to omicron infection. Confirming this
negative efficacy finding, data from Denmark and the Canadian province
of Ontario indicate vaccinated people have higher rates of omicron
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infection than unvaccinated people. Buck. If this paragraph that I'm
reading from in the Wall Street Journal, is correct, not
only is there not now as Joe Biden has been
saying four months a pandemic of the unvaccinated, what we
actually have in this country, Buck, based on this paragraph
and these studies would be a pandemic of the vaccinated,
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it's earth shattering. I guarantee that if Clay or I
or any of our brothers and sisters in the conservative
movement took those exact words and forget about attribution and
plagiarism for a second, okay, just for the purpose of
the analogy or for the story here, took those exact words,
put them onto our Facebook page, or put them on
to Twitter, a very high likelihood that you would get
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a strike, you'd be suspended and maybe permanently suspended for
taking the words of a Nobel Prize winner in science
on what's happening right now based on the data. So
can we all understand the people that are telling you
it's the science are cowards, they're liars, and they don't
know what the heck they're talking about. That corporate media
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in general lie with the Democrats, has failed to even
do the most basic due diligence on faucism. They've been
at every stage of this pandemic pretending to have the
answer Clay based upon things that they clearly could not
really know. But they said, we're one hundred percent sure.
I mean, at what point is I'm one hundred percent sure?
And then I'm actually wrong because I wasn't sure. The
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same thing as a lie right to say that we
know these vaccines work so well and we'll stop transmission
and we'll stop infection, and to find out catastrophically how
much that's not true. Well, it's not like they said,
we think. They said we know and you must get
based on you must get the shot based on us knowing,
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And they didn't, and they were wrong, And there needs
to be accountability for that, because otherwise, how can we
trust what they say going forward? Why should anyone listen
to the next Fauci pronouncement. Oh, I'm sure you'll see
him walking around in three masks in a matter of
weeks now, because he takes the virus seriously. By the way,
does AOC take the virus seriously? Because she just got infected,
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she was not gonna take along. It's not gonna take
long to AOC bring blames the santis for her for
her covid infection, by the way, her covid infection post
double vaccine, post booster holiday gift giving season. By the way,
she's also going to be fine. Maybe the virus was
just supremely attracted to her because she's so good looking. Right,
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learn to hear that. Have a little laugh. Nancy Pelosi
is now deploying the tactic that you will see. They've
been doing it for a while, but you'll see all
this year they got nothing. Biden's a joke. They didn't
defeat COVID. In fact, COVID is defeating Biden's plans as
we see every day here, mandates and the government overreach
that's come along with all of it. And Nancy Pelosi
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is saying that essentially, when Republicans don't go along and
do what Democrats want. It's all the insurrection. It's all insurrection.
This is not going to work very well, but it
is pathetic and it is also a sign of what
a weak Biden regime. This really is no accomplishments, to
speak of, nothing. I mean, Clay, if you are a
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loquacious and well equipped fellow to make any number of arguments,
if I said the best thing Biden has accomplished this
year or this administration with Democrat control of Congress, I mean,
I don't. I don't really have a uf I don't
have any Do you have something? It's it's it's honestly
hard to come up with anything. If I were trying
to spin for him at this point, I would, I
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mean it, I had one. I feel like we had
this conversation like six months ago, and I was able
to come up with something. But I don't even I
feel like six months ago you could at least argue
based on the data. While COVID has gotten better, the
vaccines have helped to tamp down the overall COVID situation.
But I can't even think. The only thing I can
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think of, honestly is he's maintained a lot of the
policies of Trump against China. I thought you might go there.
The smartest things that he has done of this the
only thing I thought he could argue. I mean, and
you know, it seems like he's going back to stay
in Mexico. The policy that Trump had put in place, uh,
you know, and so the border has been obviously a disaster.
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But all I could point to is he hasn't been
as weak on China as I was afraid he was
going to be. And mostly he's kept in place the
Trump China policies so far. That's the only thing I
can say in a positive way. Yes, Rob in Cleveland, Ohio.
I want to take some of your calls, so let
us know what's up. Eight hundred two two two two,
what's up? Rob? Hey, guys, thank you so much for
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taking my call. I love you guys and appreciate all
that you're doing for us. So I had a thought,
as we've been thinking about and seeing the evidence come
out about the limitations of the COVID shot or the vaccine,
and I'm wondering if it's leaving open an opportunity for
the left and the liberals to spin it in such
a way against you know, President Trump and against Operation
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Warp Speed and thinking back to you know, Kamala Harris
and Joe Biden's you know, comments during the campaign about
not trusting the vaccine. Do you see do you see
this as maybe a door open for them to spin it? Rob,
I'll tell you thank you for calling from Cleveland. I'll
tell you my thoughts, and Clay would tell you his
on this one. I will say, I don't see that
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as likely. Now you're asking for kind of a prediction here.
I don't think that the narrative will become Trump's. Operation
Warp Speed was the failure because the Democrats so wholeheartedly
co opted and then deployed and acted like they had
perfected Warp Speed. And you know, the distribution. Remember when
the distribution of the vaccine was the whole, big, the
big challenge, and the Biden people were saying, oh, we're
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so much better. Oh yeah, that's right. The logistics chain
folks in the Biden regime, we're telling you in the
very beginning that they were so much better at this.
Think about that for a second. When you go to
the grocery store and it's like no milk on the shelves,
near you, But Clay, I don't see it. Do you
think that? Do you think that's their next maneuver here?
I don't see that as likely, but I mean, who knows.
I think one way you can think it's an interesting call.
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And I've continued to hammer this drum because I think
it represents fundamental bias. Imagine if Trump were still president
and COVID was similar to what it is today, which
I think it would be, because I think the thing
we have learned is politicians are not going to solve
COVID or shut it down, despite what Biden claimed in
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twenty twenty. Yet the media to a large extent is
giving Biden a pass on COVID, whereas they tried to
hang every single COVID death around Donald Trump's you know,
a neck and blame him for everything COVID related. I mean,
it's not a coincidence that Joe Biden ends up in
office and the COVID death tracker at MSNBC and CNN
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eventually disappears. What I do think is likely to happen
is there will be there will be a concerted effort
to try and make it not Joe Biden's fault. And
I think rather than blame Trump. The new pivot is, well,
there's nothing we could have done. This is a once
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in a hundred years pandemic, and so Joe Biden has
done the best job that he could have, which they
never would have said about Trump. And I do think
it's worth pointing out that there is, at least so far,
I think very likely protection. And this is why, again
Buck and I continue to say this, if I were
a senior citizen, I would go get every COVID shot
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I could, and I would get the booster. And if
I was morbidly obese or even just significantly obese, I
would go get the COVID shots because the data reflects
that the elderly and the obese are particularly susceptible as disease,
and I think those shots can help as much as possible.
Just we keep reiterating this. Clay's parents vaccinated and boosted,
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My parents vaccinated and boost That's right. Judge, you know,
judge people at some level by their actions. First and
foremost right, so vaccinated and boosted because they're in that
age category, and there are some comorbidities to take into account.
All right, we've all I got interesting call here from
Casey in Elk Grove, California. Casey, what's going on? I
see a slew of wrongful termination lawsuits coming because the
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reason for firing all these people is no longer valid. Interesting, Clay,
what do you think? Well, I'm not, at first of all,
an expert in every state's labor unemployment law wrong full
termination lawsuits, but I do think it's significant les less
likely than those lawsuits. I think buck is what we're
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seeing now. They are now bringing back COVID positive nurses. Again,
let me repeat this. COVID positive nurses are being brought
back because there is such a lack of nursing capability,
because so many people are testing positive for omicron, and
because they fired people. I think what's more likely is
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a lot of businesses are going to say, if you
were good at your job before and you left over
vaccine mandates, I think a lot of business are going
to be given difficulties of hiring, reaching back out to
some of those people and saying, if the Supreme Court
puts a stay in place and or strikes down this
vaccine mandate, I think you'll see a rapid response to
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bring back those people not needing. As many lawsuits as
a result. But the real monster here, folks, the many
headed hydra that led to the terminations of people from
their jobs, was government policy. Just remember that it was
the government under this Biden regime that kicked in and
said you get the shot or you get fired, because
they made it impossible for businesses to continue operations. They
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were going to find them, they were going to harass them,
and in places like New York, there there's no choice
at all. It wasn't even a function of whether you
wanted testing or something else. Speaking of New York, is
this place doomed? We got a new mayor, We've got
some big things that happened last few days. I'll give
you the straight scoop on what's happening here. We'll talk
about some other things too across the country. Stick around.
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