May 10, 2022 • 37 mins
Protests at the Supreme Court Justices' homes are illegal and must be stopped. Delusional Biden thinks his polices have "helped, not hurt." The Daily Signal's Douglas Blair tells Clay and Buck what he saw at the protests at Supreme Court Justices' homes. Elon Musk says he'll reverse Trump's ban, but should Trump go back to Twitter?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. We have been telling you about this
situation of protests outside Supreme Court justices homes and there's
a lot going on here. Let's start with the protests
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outside of Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh's homes, I believe in
Montgomery County, which is in Maryland. And then the protest
that is now as of last night, has extended to
the state of Virginia, where in actually forget what the
area is in Virginia, but anyway, Aldo's home in northern
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Virginia has also be in the side of protests. People
are pointing out, first of all, this is just childish, reckless,
and irresponsible. Start with that this is not the way
in a civil society that people should be acting. And
I would point out that even the Washington Post, believe
it or not, the editorial board yesterday wrote a peace
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saying leave the justices alone at home. The Washington Post
editorial board, which I can tell you in general, will
lie down in traffic to keep abortion legal and to
support a Roe v. Wade last minute saving by a
reversal of the Supreme Court justices. The Washington Post is saying, again,
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knock it off with the protests outside of the judges homes.
I think a part of that, A part of that
is the recognition that this is not legal. It is
not legal. At the federal level, there is a statute that,
very understandably, it makes perfect sense, bars people from trying
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to intimidate judges and in any way affect the judicial process.
And having an angry mob outside your home and your
Supreme Court judge or any judge for that matter, is
intimidation affecting the process. Now, we don't think the bidendj
will do anything. I'm not going to send the FBI
in to clear out the area, not because they shouldn't
as a function of law, but because we all know
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the politics here. Biden's DJ is a joke, and they're
not Merrick Garland, who was putting parents on notice that
maybe you're a domestic terrorist if you've got a problem
with the school board in your neighborhood. But no issue
with these threats of Supreme Court justices. But then, Clay,
the additional component of it is that I know under
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Virginia law, I believe also under Maryland law there are
statutes that prohibit protest gatherings outside of private homes, which
given that so many public officials, by the way, live
in Maryland or Virginia who work in DC, you understand
how this would be a law on both places. And
there were people very critical of Glenn young Kin, the
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governor of Virginia, who has done some good things since
he took office. We have noted to hear on the show.
But as we always tell you, we call balls and
strikes here, folks. You know when it's good, it's good.
When it's not, we tell you right when there's a problem,
we address it, even on our own team, so to speak,
even on the riot, even with conservatives. Clay, what do
you make of this with young kids saying they'll keep
the judges safe, but they're not going to go in
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there and say you're not allowed to protest outside their home.
I don't believe that anybody of any political bent should
be able to protest outside of anyone's home. That includes me,
that includes you, Buck, that certainly includes anybody who is
involved in the judiciary. I think this should apply if
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you are a Republican, if you are a Democrat. There
are plenty of places to seek redress for political opinions.
I don't believe that our neighborhoods outside of people's home
should be one of them, period, Okay, And that is
a content neutral policy that I would apply that I
believe Mayrek Garland need to apply regardless of what the
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politics involved are. Having said that, if you are Glenn
Yunkin or if you are Jason mer as people who
have been on this show before. He's the Attorney General
of Virginia Republicans. The challenge that I think they face
Buck is if you arrest people for this, are you
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creating a much larger protest going forward and making the
people that you arrest martyrs? I think you might very
well be doing that, And so I'm sure in the
back of their minds they're trying to analyze this and say,
what is the best way to make this disappear sooner
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read than later? If we arrest people, are we going
to make it worse? And I don't know for sure
what the answer is. My concern is that you are
creating an environment that allows violence to fester, and at
some point time if that violence explodes, as we've already
seen it happening in Madison, wisconsint in terms of a
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molotov cocktail being thrown into a anti abortion location. I
think the challenge becomes, how do you reconcile this? And
this is why Buck. To me, the solution is the
opinion has to come out now. Chief Justice Roberts has
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to release this opinion. And I understand the argument of, well,
we can allow whoever the leaker was to change the
time frame of what we want to do when it
comes to releasing this opinion, and it wasn't scheduled to
come out until late June, and right now we're only
talking about mid May. The leak threw that into the
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dust bin of history. In my opinion, Buck, and what
needs to happen, and I'm gonna keep hammering this is
Chief Justice Roberts need to sign on to it, making
a six three decision, so we're not talking about one
justice switching and making this law change. And on top
of that, it needs to come out immediately because I
think that would dilute the value of protesting at the
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Supreme Court justice's homes. That's the solution. Do you think
Roberts will, by the way, because we might have to
have a side bet here. I think there's no chance
Roberts is gonna go over injury. You think he's gonna
sign side with the other three. I think he's gonna
think he's gonna write a dissent and he's gonna side
with the other three. He's gonna say this goes too far.
You may be right, But if he truly cares about
the legitimacy of the court and he's willing to sign
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on to which is written reports the fifteen week ban
in Mississippi, then he needs to go all in and
say that this should go back to states. Because if
this is a five four decision, Buck, then as long
as this sticks at a five four decision, every conservative
justice is potentially under siege from a violent protester because
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in their mind, they're going to think, if I take
out one of these justices. I'm telling you, I hate
to even have to say it, but I think after
the decision comes out, because I think that I think
this is a lot of it is the this is
pro abortion propaganda. We keep hearing about how oh the
it'll never normalize and the fight toal continue forever. It'll
go to the states. A lot of things go to
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the states. States have different rules about a whole range
of issues. I think that will take a lot of
the heat out of this once people realize what I
think by four want. That's why it needs to be
six three, because if you have to replace two conservative
justices to overturn this ruling, that becomes much more difficult
in order to pull that off, which is why I
think if Chief Justice Roberts truly cares about the legitimacy
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of the Court, he needs to make this a six
three decision so that for the rest of the next
several years, as this becomes more mainstream and it goes
back to the states, which I think is the right decision.
There isn't the constant drumbeat of only one justice needs
to be changed and Roe v. Wade becomes the law.
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I mean, look at Obamacare, right, I mean, there have
been huge there have been momentous decisions that have gone
down five four and we learned, we learned to People
will complain, of course, but Clay, they'll complain at six
three as well. That's I guess I can if it's
harder to think that there are going to be two
justices that you can replace, hopefully in the next decade,
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than it is to think if we replace one person,
this ruling disappoint how many I mean, how many a
Trump get right, if you think about it. Yeah, but
but all being on the conservative side, Trump got three,
which was a huge deal. But the odds and and
honestly that the odds partly that was because one was
already held up, right, so we got two. But that's
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just my fear. My fear is that if it's five four,
it doesn't have the legitimacy. I do think the big
swing from five four to sixty three is significant. And
here we have, speaking of fear. They're trying to tell
everybody that the real concern is actually from pro life
people becoming violent. And this is from This is from
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CBS eating News plays an intelligence bulletin reviewed by CBS
News warrants extremists could be mobilizing during this powerful debate nationwide,
potentially targeting abortion clinics and government officials. So now let
me tell folks about how this goes. For a second.
You've done these because I've done these. Okay, I've done these.
I've done these four I've written for the PDB many
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many times a President's Daily Briefing. I've run the PDB
briefing for the President before, so I know how this
system works. What happens here is you have a policy official.
Play could be anybody DJ White House official who knows right.
You have somebody high up in the chain who says
I need an assessment of right. Let's let's say Merik
Garland wants, you know, the FBI analysts or DHS analysts
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to do an assessment on what the threats are. You're
an analyst, You're writing the assessment. They get to set
what the parameters are. And you also know who your
customer is. So when they send down to you, as
let's say Merrick Garland Wood in this example, hey give
us a sense of what the risk is from pro
life and pro choice factions for violence. Right now, you
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know exactly what the tasking is. And you're going if
you want to get that award, if you want to
get the pad on the head, you want to get
the pay increase in six months or whatever the step increase,
you give what you're supposed to give, which is a
could be on both sides assessment because let me tell you,
if you do the other thing of saying, Hey, I'm
ann analyst who's actually looking at the date of the information,
and I'm going to send this memo to Merrick Garland
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that says the threat of violence is overwhelmingly from pro
choice lunatics or pro abortion lunatics right now. Guess what,
You're never getting asked to write that memo again, and
your superiors are gonna say you're not a very good analyst.
So I'm just telling everybody. When CBS says we saw
a draft intelligence memo, you can get them to write
an intelligence memo saying that Mars is going to invade tomorrow.
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It's not hard to do. Here's the other thing that
you were hinting at, and I think we need to
emphasize and talked to my school board Buck remember that
back in August talk about the man you're on the
list now, Travis and I got called the domestic terrorist.
Where the hell's Merrick Garland with actual domestic terrorism going on,
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How is it that he can't say we need to
condemn what is going on right now in terms of
domestic extremism and violence that's being brought to bear by
the left wing in the United States right now. A
truly good because I'm not even gonna try to say impartial,
because I don't think it exists. But a truly decent
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Department of Justice head would at least treat actual violence
associated with the left wing in this country and the
potential Alito opinion as aggressively as he taught treated moms
and dads who decided to go and speak out at
their school boards. Yet they were labeled domestic terrorists. Buck,
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and we haven't seen at least I haven't so far,
Merrick Garland calling out any of the left wing violence
and pointing out that that is actual domestic terrorism and
deserves to be investigated fully by our Department of Justice.
I haven't seen it. The terrifying realization that everybody should have,
because this is reality, folks, is the same way that
corporations have been leveraged, have been utilized as part of
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their political enemies. The federal apparatus the same thing the
federal government. You don't need to have everybody there. A
lot of Republicans are work at the federal government, a
lot of good people, a lot of patriots. All you
need is to be the Bolsheviks within the system who
control the lovers of power and use it when you
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have to, and that's what they do. That's certainly what's
happening in Merrick Garland's DOJ, just like it was happening
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We start off the
show talking about the fact that Joe Biden was addressing
inflation at the same time that we began the show,
and he was asked about how much responsibility Democrats had
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to own for inflation. And here was that question as
well as Biden's response, I want to let you guys
all hear it. Let's play it. I don't believe so
many Americans believe that your administration is not doing enough
to come that inflation. And do you believe that you
and your administration dare some measure of responsibility for the
inflation that we're seeing in trusted un First is we're
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in power, so first and you justifiably right, we control
all three branches of government. Well, we don't really, we
have fifty fifteen to Senate. You need sixty votes to
get in majors things. John, I've been pushing the things
I've been proposing here and you've heard me speak to
Nay since I got in office. And I need to
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get sixty votes to be able to even passion. Can
you take any responsibility or policies. I think our policies
help not hurt the uck help not hurt, Like, let's
just dive into help not hurt. What does that mean?
How is there not a follow up there? Because what
would the inflation rate be if he's helped? Or at
eight point five percent? So it's double digit if he's
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not president? Yeah, you have to wonder in what universe
he is living, because it's not the one we're living in.
And you think about the one point nine trillion dollars
that Democrats spent without a single Republican votes. His thinking
about we can't get anything done. It's just not true.
They got one point nine trillion of spending and they
were about to get five trillion in spending until Democrats
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said a couple of them, you guys are out of
your gosh, jarn, mind's okay, you can't do this, all right,
Joe Manchin, And I remember I said this to you,
Clay like six months ago. I think Joe Manchin may
have saved the Democrat Party from complete complete financial implosion,
or rather implosion because of the financial policies the person
admit that the country. I think he may have been
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the guy standing athwart the Democrats insanity, yelling stop, so
to speak. And it's funny that, Joe Biden, But what
else are you gonna say? This is the problem running
with Democrats. First of all, they could have pushed for
just and not that infrastructure would have fixed inflation, because
it wouldn't have. But notice they always tied inflation, I mean, sorry,
infrastructure to build back better. It was always it's got
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to be both. It's got to be both or else
we don't want to do this. So they wanted all
this massive spending and they now would have to recognize, well,
that was a really dumb idea. But the only option
for them is to admit that they're wrong, and to
admit that they're wrong is to admit that Republicans were right.
And they won't do it. That's why they won't turn
the ship around. That's why we're heading toward the rocks.
And Joe Biden saying full steam ahead. It's also why
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you need multiple questions on top of that, because your
immediate alarm bells, Buck, when I see that answer, I
think it would have been worse. Do you bear any responsibility?
I think it would have been worse. That's a record
scratch moment where you go back and say, wait a minute,
we're at eight point five percent inflation. That's the highest
in forty years. When you came into office, inflation was
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under two percent. What you are telling the American public
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in control right now, inflation would be double digits. You're
telling me if Donald Trump had beaten you in twenty twenty,
that inflation right now in this country would be over
ten percent. You've made it better. At eight point five
the worst in forty years. That is not an argument
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Sexton Show. Everybody. We want to talk more about what's
going on outside these Supreme Court justices homes. Right now,
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we've got Doug Blair with us now. He's a news
producer at The Daily Signal and co hosts of The
Daily Signal podcast. Doug, thanks for being with us. Hey, guys,
thanks so much for having me on so our understandings.
You were out there watching some of these protests, you know,
nice house, he got their Supreme Court justice kind of protests.
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You know what I mean. People are worried about this,
People worried about the security safety of these justices. What
do you see? Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I was
out there watching these protesters march around and find their
way suddenly in front of the houses of some of
the most important justices in the land. It was it
was horrifying. I mean, these people are so angry, they're
so spiteful, and the fact that they thought it was
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appropriate for them to go to the houses of private
residences of some of these justices. It's literally only for
one reason. It's to intimidate them. It's to force them
to think that they're in danger, and if they don't
vote a certain way on Roe v. Wade, they're gonna
do something. And we don't know what that's. Something is
but it's sure ain't good. Doug. What is the overall
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vibe of the crowd that you found yourself in outside
of these homes? Did it feel dangerous? Did it fill
potentially violent? How sustained? Do you get the sense that
this is going to be for those of us who
haven't been around these crowds, take us inside their midst
and tell us what it felt like. So I've been
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to a couple of these protests right now, and it
depends on which person it is. Justice John Roberts felt like,
you're very average, Like I'm mad, I'm going to protest
in front of somebody's house who I don't like, which
is ideally not what you're doing. But this is where
we're at now with the modern left. They were upset,
but they weren't that upset. I mean, it got so
much worse when they got to break Kavanaugh's house. Something
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in the air just changed. You could feel it turned
like a switch. They just viewed this person as like
a monster, as subhuman, and they wanted him to know
that they were out there and they hated his guts.
So I heard one protester yell and scream, I can
see you, Brett. I hope that God he was wrong.
I hope that Brett wasn't actually at his house, that
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Justice Cavanaugh wasn't at his house. But it was, It wasn't.
It was terrifying. I was. I was scared for the
police officers who were there, because this crowd was just
so agitated and so angry. Doug, what what was the
security presence like? Were there a police officers that were
doing crowd control of these protesters. We were discussing earlier
in the program that this would seem to be a
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violation of law in the state of Virginia in the
state of Maryland, respectively. But were there a police on
scene and what was that like? Absolutely so, there were,
thankfully police on presence. There was there was a police
presence at the at the houses. I think it's it's
kind of scary, though, the fact that there had to
be a police presence at these places, because it just
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shows you how far down the discourse in America has
got where these protesters felt like the response to a
decision that they might not like from the Supreme Court
is to go and intimidate these justices. I think it's
just terrifying that we've reached this point where the last
field empowered to go and harass people where they live
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to try and get what they want. And thankfully there
were police officers there, but I shudder to think what
would have happened if there weren't. You know, Doug, one
of the things we were talking about and discussing is
the challenges associated with enforcing these laws, whether it's Maryland,
whether it's Virginia, whether it's DC where some of these
justices may live. What do you think would have happened
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based on being in that crowd if there had started
to be arrests made? Does this make protest more likely
going forward? Does it make martyrs of the people who
are arrested? Or would that nip these protests in the
bud and the people that you saw are unlikely to
keep showing back up? How would you assess that aspect
of these protests. It's funny you asked me that because
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I actually had a circumstance where I was watching these
protests happen and the police showed up in full force.
About five cop cars showed up outside of Justice Cavanaid's house,
And you wouldn't even believe it that there have been
a hundred people there because they scattered to the wind.
They were terrified of the police coming to arrest them,
and I think that they're terrified overall two of this
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movement that's happening right now. Right I think America is
sort of seeing a revitalization of a culture of life
that has been gone for fifty years since rov Wade
was formally put into place. I think that these protesters
steel as if they're seeing the demise of an abortion
type regime that is just it has been existing in
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this country for far too long. And I think when
they do a sort of cops show up, they recognize that,
you know, time was not on the side anymore, they
were going to lose this fight, and that they didn't
want to be around to see what the results were
going to be. Speaking of Douglas Blair, he's a producer
of The Daily Signal co host of the Daily Signal podcast, Doug,
is the expectation that they're just going to be ongoing
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protests every day or are they going to try to
camp out somewhere in the neighborhood occupy style? What's going
to happen is based on what you're hearing from people
who are there and from the authorities who are trying
to keep it relatively orderly. It's an excellent question because
I don't see these ending anytime soon. So there's a
planned protest for tomorrow. They're going to go to all
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the conservative justices houses. So far, they've only hit Alito,
Robert and Kavanaugh. There's plans for tomorrow to hit the
rest of them. But I easily could see this going
on for a long long time. This is not a
group that gives up. Yesterday, I actually got some very
concerning footage of Black Block and Antifa members who had
attended these protests. All of the other protests I had seen,
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there were angry people, for sure, and they were definitely upset,
and they did inappropriate things in front of the houses
of these justices, but there was no Black Block presence.
I'm from Portland, Oregon, so I know exactly what happens
when Antifa and Black Block show up to a protest.
It gets real bad, real quick. So that was incredibly
disturbing for me to see that these people were attending
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these protests. And I do want to note one thing
very quickly. As we are starting to see these protests
get more and more aggressive and more and more threatening
to the lives of the justices. I think it's despicable
how we haven't seen a response from the administration to this.
We saw a very lukewarm, very milktoast statement come out
from President Biden Jansaki about how you know violence is
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unacceptable in protesting. Well, sure, that's fine, but like I
think we need actual condemnation of what is happening right
now in these particular protests. It's not acceptable for you
to go to somebody's house and threaten them and harass
them to get the judgment that you want. Doug, last
question here for you. You're talking about the duration of
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these complaints and these protests. What sense do you get
if any of the neighbors, Because if I were living
in these neighborhoods, regardless of what my politics would be,
I would be really really angry about people taking over
my neighborhood and chanting political slogans, regardless of what they were,
because I'm trying to get my kids the Little League,
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I'm trying to get in and out of school. Did
you get any sense for the neighborhoods that these justices
live in and what that response might be. Oh, guys,
it's it's funny you mentioned that because these are suburbs
of Washington, DC. Washington is clearly one of the most
blue cities in the country. It's it's very, very, very
less leaning. So these sometimes the neighbors would come out
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and join the marches. We would see people who would
come out of their houses. They would cheer, they would clap.
As I mentioned, some would begin to walk with the protesters.
One of the protesters in charge of the Kavanaugh protests,
what's his neighbor? This was a person who thought this
he was an evil person. And again, I think that's
just so sad that we're at this point in the
country where your neighbor, somebody that you should at least
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have friendly terms with or at least you know, interact with,
is deciding that the best way to deal with you
is to go outside and to harass you where you live.
It seems like that is just such a strange place
for us to be right now. And the neighbors, the
fact that they were joining in on it, I think
just really adds fuel to that fire that this is
a completely inappropriate way to do it, that they were
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in on the game. Dog appreciate the time appreciate the work.
Will continue to follow you and your coverage of these
potential protests. Appreciate my maam, absolutely, thank you so much
for having me. Good deal. We got some major breaking
news that I think some of you are going to
be intrigued by. It involves Twitter and Elon Musk. Get
your popcorn. We'll share it with you when we come back.
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on a whole range of issues to Biden clean up
on Aisle Biden speech about the economy and inflation. We'll
talk about that in a few moments with her, as
well as some other issues. The intimidation of conservative I
actually prefer to call them constitutional Supreme Court justices because
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that is what they are. The lib justices just earn
the make it up as they go along category activists
in judicial robes. But we're gonna get it all that
here in just a few minutes. Clay just sent me
this one because we're constant, we're like running a real
time newsticker between the two of us throughout the entire show.
Elon Musk has said there's so much which we could
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fill in there By the way, Elon Musk has said
that if his purchase of Twitter goes through, he will
lift the ban on president former president Trump. And this
is interesting because if that's the case, we then have
a situation where Trump is on on truth social right now,
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and truth social is and I don't say this as
as a as a knock on them, but truth social
is at this point less than one percent the user
the users of Twitter. I think that's is that about, right, Clay.
I mean it's it's maybe it's less than two or
three percent, but it's a tiny fraction of the overall users.
And so I mean, I'm on truth, Clays on truth.
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What does the former president do Because that Twitter account,
the Trump Twitter account, was able to shape the news cycle,
it was able to change the national conversation. I mean
that that really I think Trump took Twitter from being
a a news journo and kind of, you know, a
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superficial scroll through platform. But some people use to the
heart of the news cycle for a lot of people
in a lot of ways. Because the President of the
United States was speaking in real time to eighty million followers,
what does he do here, Clay? How does this play out?
I'll tell you you know, when I was doing sports
talk radio six to nine am Eastern, in that six
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am hour, everybody else was asleep. I sometimes, you know,
you hit the refresh feed on your Twitter feed and
it would be like Donald Trump and me. So he
was not only setting the national agenda buck, he was
doing it early in the morning before a lot of
the journalists were even up, and he was tweeting late
at night and all throughout the day. I mean, this
guy is an animal when it comes to his work ethic.
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I just think it's a really different So, first of all,
I think it's smart of Emon Musk, because it sets
the precedent that banning people, especially permanently banning people who
are the sitting president of the United States or a
potential candidate in twenty twenty four, is not a good idea.
So I think, from Elon Must's perspective, right decision more
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difficult situation. Can Trump join Twitter or is he contractually
obligated to only use truth social That is the number
one question I would have, because it's likely that they
have given Trump a lot of money for his exclusivity
in the social media platform regime. There second part here,
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is he actually benefiting from getting his Twitter account back now? Buck,
I can totally see the benefit when he was a
candidate and people were not familiar with what he believed,
and he didn't have the ability to reach them as
easily and he could mobilize them. The people who love
Trump are already active on social media in love with
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Trump right now. Biden is a decrepit old man who
is failing on all fronts, and so the story is
Biden stinks. As soon as Trump re emerges the great
Satan of the Blue check brigade out there, I think
that it might work against him because in twenty twenty four,
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in an ideal world, you make the case that Biden
has been bad and doesn't deserve as a part. If
Biden's running or the Democrats, they don't deserve to be
back in office. They don't it's a referendum on the incumbent.
If Trump becomes active again. My concern Buck is twenty
twenty four is a referendum on Trump again, and Biden
gets a pass on how bad he's been. So I
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don't know that he benefits. Do you think he benefits? Like,
how do you analyze this? Ah, that's so hard because
if you're the advisor, he came to you and he said, Buck,
should I get back on Twitter? Takeaway for us, it's
obviously great because we can react to tweets. We're in media.
But if you are the goal is to win to
win election, I'm gonna say this and it's and it
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hurts me to say it because because one I used
I used to love the occasion. You know, the occasional
Trump retweet was always amazing because all of a sudden,
some guy that I saw in his sitcom back in
nineteen ninety four was cursing at me in all caps.
I'm like, how does this person follow the out trater? Oh?
It's because if Trump retweeted it, So that was always fun.
I was like, Oh, it's the guy from Charles and Charge.
He hates me, now, you know? Or not not that
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show I'm just making one up, but because I think
Scott Scott Barrows actually he's a conservative, so he's actually
got a functional brain. Yeah, yeah, he's a good, good
dude from one I understand. Anyway, I'm just picking a
random show. Um, but yeah, I think if we're talking
about what the most likely pathway is for Trump, you know,
it's Look, I almost feel like it's too early. I
feel like it's too early to even go here, but
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I will say it anyway. We need a we need
a Trump two point zero where there's more focus on results,
where there's less focus on people that honestly kiss up
a lot and are actually effective. There were some people
who were very you know, I'm just saying we had Steve.
We have Steve Miller on the show a lot. One
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of the reasons why Steve Miller's a smart guy who
really knows this stuff and was effective in the White House.
I mean there are others too, but so I'm not
one of these people says, oh, everybody that was in
the first administration shouldn't be in the second administration. But
you need to have good advisors around him that he
would listen to. And this is basically by long preamble
for I for him to get for him getting re elected.
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I don't know if Twitter is actually helpful. I think
the media then create it feeds into the lib media
obsession with Trump the man and the person instead of
the movement, and it just becomes look at this meme
thing he said, or look at this and it and
now now people could argue by the way I this
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is one of those things where if someone thinks they
hear that, they say, Buck are totally wrong. I'll admit
I may be totally wrong on this one, but I
think Trump without running his own Twitter account on a
daily you know, maybe we could limit it. But the
thing is, Man, once the Trump bear is loose, I
don't know if you get him back in the cage.
Man like, once he has that Twitter account back, I
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think he's gonna do what he wants to do. And
they actually like the idea of having Twitter buck if
he's reelected, because he's already president. But the actual campaign Twitter,
I don't know that he benefits because I think it
allows people to characterize him and start to make the
case that twenty twenty four is about Trump when the
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reality is and even twenty twenty two if he came
back sooner than that. When the reality is twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty four are about Democrats failing on
an epic level. Nothing Republicans have done has caused where
we are right now. I'm gonna talk to Senator Marsha
Blackburn here in a few minutes about that failure by
the Biden administration, where's the economy heading? And much more
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Stick around Clay and Buck rolling through slat Travis and
Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth,
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Clay Travis and
Buck Sexton Show. We have been telling you about this
situation of protests outside Supreme Court justices homes and there's
a lot going on here. Let's start with the protests
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outside of Justice Roberts and Kavanaugh's homes, I believe in
Montgomery County, which is in Maryland. And then the protest
that is now as of last night, has extended to
the state of Virginia, where in actually forget what the
area is in Virginia, but anyway, Aldo's home in northern
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Virginia has also be in the side of protests. People
are pointing out, first of all, this is just childish, reckless,
and irresponsible. Start with that this is not the way
in a civil society that people should be acting. And
I would point out that even the Washington Post, believe
it or not, the editorial board yesterday wrote a peace
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saying leave the justices alone at home. The Washington Post
editorial board, which I can tell you in general, will
lie down in traffic to keep abortion legal and to
support a Roe v. Wade last minute saving by a
reversal of the Supreme Court justices. The Washington Post is saying, again,
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knock it off with the protests outside of the judges homes.
I think a part of that, A part of that
is the recognition that this is not legal. It is
not legal. At the federal level, there is a statute that,
very understandably, it makes perfect sense, bars people from trying
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to intimidate judges and in any way affect the judicial process.
And having an angry mob outside your home and your
Supreme Court judge or any judge for that matter, is
intimidation affecting the process. Now, we don't think the bidendj
will do anything. I'm not going to send the FBI
in to clear out the area, not because they shouldn't
as a function of law, but because we all know
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the politics here. Biden's DJ is a joke, and they're
not Merrick Garland, who was putting parents on notice that
maybe you're a domestic terrorist if you've got a problem
with the school board in your neighborhood. But no issue
with these threats of Supreme Court justices. But then, Clay,
the additional component of it is that I know under
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Virginia law, I believe also under Maryland law there are
statutes that prohibit protest gatherings outside of private homes, which
given that so many public officials, by the way, live
in Maryland or Virginia who work in DC, you understand
how this would be a law on both places. And
there were people very critical of Glenn young Kin, the
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governor of Virginia, who has done some good things since
he took office. We have noted to hear on the show.
But as we always tell you, we call balls and
strikes here, folks. You know when it's good, it's good.
When it's not, we tell you right when there's a problem,
we address it, even on our own team, so to speak,
even on the riot, even with conservatives. Clay, what do
you make of this with young kids saying they'll keep
the judges safe, but they're not going to go in
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there and say you're not allowed to protest outside their home.
I don't believe that anybody of any political bent should
be able to protest outside of anyone's home. That includes me,
that includes you, Buck, that certainly includes anybody who is
involved in the judiciary. I think this should apply if
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you are a Republican, if you are a Democrat. There
are plenty of places to seek redress for political opinions.
I don't believe that our neighborhoods outside of people's home
should be one of them, period, Okay, And that is
a content neutral policy that I would apply that I
believe Mayrek Garland need to apply regardless of what the
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politics involved are. Having said that, if you are Glenn
Yunkin or if you are Jason mer as people who
have been on this show before. He's the Attorney General
of Virginia Republicans. The challenge that I think they face
Buck is if you arrest people for this, are you
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creating a much larger protest going forward and making the
people that you arrest martyrs? I think you might very
well be doing that, And so I'm sure in the
back of their minds they're trying to analyze this and say,
what is the best way to make this disappear sooner
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read than later? If we arrest people, are we going
to make it worse? And I don't know for sure
what the answer is. My concern is that you are
creating an environment that allows violence to fester, and at
some point time if that violence explodes, as we've already
seen it happening in Madison, wisconsint in terms of a
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molotov cocktail being thrown into a anti abortion location. I
think the challenge becomes, how do you reconcile this? And
this is why Buck. To me, the solution is the
opinion has to come out now. Chief Justice Roberts has
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to release this opinion. And I understand the argument of, well,
we can allow whoever the leaker was to change the
time frame of what we want to do when it
comes to releasing this opinion, and it wasn't scheduled to
come out until late June, and right now we're only
talking about mid May. The leak threw that into the
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dust bin of history. In my opinion, Buck, and what
needs to happen, and I'm gonna keep hammering this is
Chief Justice Roberts need to sign on to it, making
a six three decision, so we're not talking about one
justice switching and making this law change. And on top
of that, it needs to come out immediately because I
think that would dilute the value of protesting at the
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Supreme Court justice's homes. That's the solution. Do you think
Roberts will, by the way, because we might have to
have a side bet here. I think there's no chance
Roberts is gonna go over injury. You think he's gonna
sign side with the other three. I think he's gonna
think he's gonna write a dissent and he's gonna side
with the other three. He's gonna say this goes too far.
You may be right, But if he truly cares about
the legitimacy of the court and he's willing to sign
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on to which is written reports the fifteen week ban
in Mississippi, then he needs to go all in and
say that this should go back to states. Because if
this is a five four decision, Buck, then as long
as this sticks at a five four decision, every conservative
justice is potentially under siege from a violent protester because
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in their mind, they're going to think, if I take
out one of these justices. I'm telling you, I hate
to even have to say it, but I think after
the decision comes out, because I think that I think
this is a lot of it is the this is
pro abortion propaganda. We keep hearing about how oh the
it'll never normalize and the fight toal continue forever. It'll
go to the states. A lot of things go to
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the states. States have different rules about a whole range
of issues. I think that will take a lot of
the heat out of this once people realize what I
think by four want. That's why it needs to be
six three, because if you have to replace two conservative
justices to overturn this ruling, that becomes much more difficult
in order to pull that off, which is why I
think if Chief Justice Roberts truly cares about the legitimacy
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of the Court, he needs to make this a six
three decision so that for the rest of the next
several years, as this becomes more mainstream and it goes
back to the states, which I think is the right decision.
There isn't the constant drumbeat of only one justice needs
to be changed and Roe v. Wade becomes the law.
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I mean, look at Obamacare, right, I mean, there have
been huge there have been momentous decisions that have gone
down five four and we learned, we learned to People
will complain, of course, but Clay, they'll complain at six
three as well. That's I guess I can if it's
harder to think that there are going to be two
justices that you can replace, hopefully in the next decade,
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than it is to think if we replace one person,
this ruling disappoint how many I mean, how many a
Trump get right, if you think about it. Yeah, but
but all being on the conservative side, Trump got three,
which was a huge deal. But the odds and and
honestly that the odds partly that was because one was
already held up, right, so we got two. But that's
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just my fear. My fear is that if it's five four,
it doesn't have the legitimacy. I do think the big
swing from five four to sixty three is significant. And
here we have, speaking of fear. They're trying to tell
everybody that the real concern is actually from pro life
people becoming violent. And this is from This is from
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CBS eating News plays an intelligence bulletin reviewed by CBS
News warrants extremists could be mobilizing during this powerful debate nationwide,
potentially targeting abortion clinics and government officials. So now let
me tell folks about how this goes. For a second.
You've done these because I've done these. Okay, I've done these.
I've done these four I've written for the PDB many
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many times a President's Daily Briefing. I've run the PDB
briefing for the President before, so I know how this
system works. What happens here is you have a policy official.
Play could be anybody DJ White House official who knows right.
You have somebody high up in the chain who says
I need an assessment of right. Let's let's say Merik
Garland wants, you know, the FBI analysts or DHS analysts
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to do an assessment on what the threats are. You're
an analyst, You're writing the assessment. They get to set
what the parameters are. And you also know who your
customer is. So when they send down to you, as
let's say Merrick Garland Wood in this example, hey give
us a sense of what the risk is from pro
life and pro choice factions for violence. Right now, you
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know exactly what the tasking is. And you're going if
you want to get that award, if you want to
get the pad on the head, you want to get
the pay increase in six months or whatever the step increase,
you give what you're supposed to give, which is a
could be on both sides assessment because let me tell you,
if you do the other thing of saying, Hey, I'm
ann analyst who's actually looking at the date of the information,
and I'm going to send this memo to Merrick Garland
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that says the threat of violence is overwhelmingly from pro
choice lunatics or pro abortion lunatics right now. Guess what,
You're never getting asked to write that memo again, and
your superiors are gonna say you're not a very good analyst.
So I'm just telling everybody. When CBS says we saw
a draft intelligence memo, you can get them to write
an intelligence memo saying that Mars is going to invade tomorrow.
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It's not hard to do. Here's the other thing that
you were hinting at, and I think we need to
emphasize and talked to my school board Buck remember that
back in August talk about the man you're on the
list now, Travis and I got called the domestic terrorist.
Where the hell's Merrick Garland with actual domestic terrorism going on,
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How is it that he can't say we need to
condemn what is going on right now in terms of
domestic extremism and violence that's being brought to bear by
the left wing in the United States right now. A
truly good because I'm not even gonna try to say impartial,
because I don't think it exists. But a truly decent
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Department of Justice head would at least treat actual violence
associated with the left wing in this country and the
potential Alito opinion as aggressively as he taught treated moms
and dads who decided to go and speak out at
their school boards. Yet they were labeled domestic terrorists. Buck,
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and we haven't seen at least I haven't so far,
Merrick Garland calling out any of the left wing violence
and pointing out that that is actual domestic terrorism and
deserves to be investigated fully by our Department of Justice.
I haven't seen it. The terrifying realization that everybody should have,
because this is reality, folks, is the same way that
corporations have been leveraged, have been utilized as part of
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the left wing, left wing tactic to be weapons against
their political enemies. The federal apparatus the same thing the
federal government. You don't need to have everybody there. A
lot of Republicans are work at the federal government, a
lot of good people, a lot of patriots. All you
need is to be the Bolsheviks within the system who
control the lovers of power and use it when you
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have to, and that's what they do. That's certainly what's
happening in Merrick Garland's DOJ, just like it was happening
under Eric Holder's DJ under Obama. Same thing. We need
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We start off the
show talking about the fact that Joe Biden was addressing
inflation at the same time that we began the show,
and he was asked about how much responsibility Democrats had
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to own for inflation. And here was that question as
well as Biden's response, I want to let you guys
all hear it. Let's play it. I don't believe so
many Americans believe that your administration is not doing enough
to come that inflation. And do you believe that you
and your administration dare some measure of responsibility for the
inflation that we're seeing in trusted un First is we're
(14:53):
in power, so first and you justifiably right, we control
all three branches of government. Well, we don't really, we
have fifty fifteen to Senate. You need sixty votes to
get in majors things. John, I've been pushing the things
I've been proposing here and you've heard me speak to
Nay since I got in office. And I need to
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get sixty votes to be able to even passion. Can
you take any responsibility or policies. I think our policies
help not hurt the uck help not hurt, Like, let's
just dive into help not hurt. What does that mean?
How is there not a follow up there? Because what
would the inflation rate be if he's helped? Or at
eight point five percent? So it's double digit if he's
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not president? Yeah, you have to wonder in what universe
he is living, because it's not the one we're living in.
And you think about the one point nine trillion dollars
that Democrats spent without a single Republican votes. His thinking
about we can't get anything done. It's just not true.
They got one point nine trillion of spending and they
were about to get five trillion in spending until Democrats
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said a couple of them, you guys are out of
your gosh, jarn, mind's okay, you can't do this, all right,
Joe Manchin, And I remember I said this to you,
Clay like six months ago. I think Joe Manchin may
have saved the Democrat Party from complete complete financial implosion,
or rather implosion because of the financial policies the person
admit that the country. I think he may have been
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the guy standing athwart the Democrats insanity, yelling stop, so
to speak. And it's funny that, Joe Biden, But what
else are you gonna say? This is the problem running
with Democrats. First of all, they could have pushed for
just and not that infrastructure would have fixed inflation, because
it wouldn't have. But notice they always tied inflation, I mean, sorry,
infrastructure to build back better. It was always it's got
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to be both. It's got to be both or else
we don't want to do this. So they wanted all
this massive spending and they now would have to recognize, well,
that was a really dumb idea. But the only option
for them is to admit that they're wrong, and to
admit that they're wrong is to admit that Republicans were right.
And they won't do it. That's why they won't turn
the ship around. That's why we're heading toward the rocks.
And Joe Biden saying full steam ahead. It's also why
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you need multiple questions on top of that, because your
immediate alarm bells, Buck, when I see that answer, I
think it would have been worse. Do you bear any responsibility?
I think it would have been worse. That's a record
scratch moment where you go back and say, wait a minute,
we're at eight point five percent inflation. That's the highest
in forty years. When you came into office, inflation was
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under two percent. What you are telling the American public
is if you were not in office, if Republicans were
in control right now, inflation would be double digits. You're
telling me if Donald Trump had beaten you in twenty twenty,
that inflation right now in this country would be over
ten percent. You've made it better. At eight point five
the worst in forty years. That is not an argument
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that the American public. Here's Buck, and they even will
countenance on the most basic level. That's a lie, is
and you need to be held accountable for it. This
is speak today. It's not gonna work, but they're running
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dot org. Welcome back into the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show. Everybody. We want to talk more about what's
going on outside these Supreme Court justices homes. Right now,
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we've got Doug Blair with us now. He's a news
producer at The Daily Signal and co hosts of The
Daily Signal podcast. Doug, thanks for being with us. Hey, guys,
thanks so much for having me on so our understandings.
You were out there watching some of these protests, you know,
nice house, he got their Supreme Court justice kind of protests.
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You know what I mean. People are worried about this,
People worried about the security safety of these justices. What
do you see? Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I was
out there watching these protesters march around and find their
way suddenly in front of the houses of some of
the most important justices in the land. It was it
was horrifying. I mean, these people are so angry, they're
so spiteful, and the fact that they thought it was
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appropriate for them to go to the houses of private
residences of some of these justices. It's literally only for
one reason. It's to intimidate them. It's to force them
to think that they're in danger, and if they don't
vote a certain way on Roe v. Wade, they're gonna
do something. And we don't know what that's. Something is
but it's sure ain't good. Doug. What is the overall
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vibe of the crowd that you found yourself in outside
of these homes? Did it feel dangerous? Did it fill
potentially violent? How sustained? Do you get the sense that
this is going to be for those of us who
haven't been around these crowds, take us inside their midst
and tell us what it felt like. So I've been
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to a couple of these protests right now, and it
depends on which person it is. Justice John Roberts felt like,
you're very average, Like I'm mad, I'm going to protest
in front of somebody's house who I don't like, which
is ideally not what you're doing. But this is where
we're at now with the modern left. They were upset,
but they weren't that upset. I mean, it got so
much worse when they got to break Kavanaugh's house. Something
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in the air just changed. You could feel it turned
like a switch. They just viewed this person as like
a monster, as subhuman, and they wanted him to know
that they were out there and they hated his guts.
So I heard one protester yell and scream, I can
see you, Brett. I hope that God he was wrong.
I hope that Brett wasn't actually at his house, that
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Justice Cavanaugh wasn't at his house. But it was, It wasn't.
It was terrifying. I was. I was scared for the
police officers who were there, because this crowd was just
so agitated and so angry. Doug, what what was the
security presence like? Were there a police officers that were
doing crowd control of these protesters. We were discussing earlier
in the program that this would seem to be a
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violation of law in the state of Virginia in the
state of Maryland, respectively. But were there a police on
scene and what was that like? Absolutely so, there were,
thankfully police on presence. There was there was a police
presence at the at the houses. I think it's it's
kind of scary, though, the fact that there had to
be a police presence at these places, because it just
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shows you how far down the discourse in America has
got where these protesters felt like the response to a
decision that they might not like from the Supreme Court
is to go and intimidate these justices. I think it's
just terrifying that we've reached this point where the last
field empowered to go and harass people where they live
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to try and get what they want. And thankfully there
were police officers there, but I shudder to think what
would have happened if there weren't. You know, Doug, one
of the things we were talking about and discussing is
the challenges associated with enforcing these laws, whether it's Maryland,
whether it's Virginia, whether it's DC where some of these
justices may live. What do you think would have happened
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based on being in that crowd if there had started
to be arrests made? Does this make protest more likely
going forward? Does it make martyrs of the people who
are arrested? Or would that nip these protests in the
bud and the people that you saw are unlikely to
keep showing back up? How would you assess that aspect
of these protests. It's funny you asked me that because
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I actually had a circumstance where I was watching these
protests happen and the police showed up in full force.
About five cop cars showed up outside of Justice Cavanaid's house,
And you wouldn't even believe it that there have been
a hundred people there because they scattered to the wind.
They were terrified of the police coming to arrest them,
and I think that they're terrified overall two of this
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movement that's happening right now. Right I think America is
sort of seeing a revitalization of a culture of life
that has been gone for fifty years since rov Wade
was formally put into place. I think that these protesters
steel as if they're seeing the demise of an abortion
type regime that is just it has been existing in
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this country for far too long. And I think when
they do a sort of cops show up, they recognize that,
you know, time was not on the side anymore, they
were going to lose this fight, and that they didn't
want to be around to see what the results were
going to be. Speaking of Douglas Blair, he's a producer
of The Daily Signal co host of the Daily Signal podcast, Doug,
is the expectation that they're just going to be ongoing
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protests every day or are they going to try to
camp out somewhere in the neighborhood occupy style? What's going
to happen is based on what you're hearing from people
who are there and from the authorities who are trying
to keep it relatively orderly. It's an excellent question because
I don't see these ending anytime soon. So there's a
planned protest for tomorrow. They're going to go to all
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the conservative justices houses. So far, they've only hit Alito,
Robert and Kavanaugh. There's plans for tomorrow to hit the
rest of them. But I easily could see this going
on for a long long time. This is not a
group that gives up. Yesterday, I actually got some very
concerning footage of Black Block and Antifa members who had
attended these protests. All of the other protests I had seen,
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there were angry people, for sure, and they were definitely upset,
and they did inappropriate things in front of the houses
of these justices, but there was no Black Block presence.
I'm from Portland, Oregon, so I know exactly what happens
when Antifa and Black Block show up to a protest.
It gets real bad, real quick. So that was incredibly
disturbing for me to see that these people were attending
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these protests. And I do want to note one thing
very quickly. As we are starting to see these protests
get more and more aggressive and more and more threatening
to the lives of the justices. I think it's despicable
how we haven't seen a response from the administration to this.
We saw a very lukewarm, very milktoast statement come out
from President Biden Jansaki about how you know violence is
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unacceptable in protesting. Well, sure, that's fine, but like I
think we need actual condemnation of what is happening right
now in these particular protests. It's not acceptable for you
to go to somebody's house and threaten them and harass
them to get the judgment that you want. Doug, last
question here for you. You're talking about the duration of
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these complaints and these protests. What sense do you get
if any of the neighbors, Because if I were living
in these neighborhoods, regardless of what my politics would be,
I would be really really angry about people taking over
my neighborhood and chanting political slogans, regardless of what they were,
because I'm trying to get my kids the Little League,
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I'm trying to get in and out of school. Did
you get any sense for the neighborhoods that these justices
live in and what that response might be. Oh, guys,
it's it's funny you mentioned that because these are suburbs
of Washington, DC. Washington is clearly one of the most
blue cities in the country. It's it's very, very, very
less leaning. So these sometimes the neighbors would come out
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and join the marches. We would see people who would
come out of their houses. They would cheer, they would clap.
As I mentioned, some would begin to walk with the protesters.
One of the protesters in charge of the Kavanaugh protests,
what's his neighbor? This was a person who thought this
he was an evil person. And again, I think that's
just so sad that we're at this point in the
country where your neighbor, somebody that you should at least
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have friendly terms with or at least you know, interact with,
is deciding that the best way to deal with you
is to go outside and to harass you where you live.
It seems like that is just such a strange place
for us to be right now. And the neighbors, the
fact that they were joining in on it, I think
just really adds fuel to that fire that this is
a completely inappropriate way to do it, that they were
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in on the game. Dog appreciate the time appreciate the work.
Will continue to follow you and your coverage of these
potential protests. Appreciate my maam, absolutely, thank you so much
for having me. Good deal. We got some major breaking
news that I think some of you are going to
be intrigued by. It involves Twitter and Elon Musk. Get
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on a whole range of issues to Biden clean up
on Aisle Biden speech about the economy and inflation. We'll
talk about that in a few moments with her, as
well as some other issues. The intimidation of conservative I
actually prefer to call them constitutional Supreme Court justices because
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that is what they are. The lib justices just earn
the make it up as they go along category activists
in judicial robes. But we're gonna get it all that
here in just a few minutes. Clay just sent me
this one because we're constant, we're like running a real
time newsticker between the two of us throughout the entire show.
Elon Musk has said there's so much which we could
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fill in there By the way, Elon Musk has said
that if his purchase of Twitter goes through, he will
lift the ban on president former president Trump. And this
is interesting because if that's the case, we then have
a situation where Trump is on on truth social right now,
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and truth social is and I don't say this as
as a as a knock on them, but truth social
is at this point less than one percent the user
the users of Twitter. I think that's is that about, right, Clay.
I mean it's it's maybe it's less than two or
three percent, but it's a tiny fraction of the overall users.
And so I mean, I'm on truth, Clays on truth.
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What does the former president do Because that Twitter account,
the Trump Twitter account, was able to shape the news cycle,
it was able to change the national conversation. I mean
that that really I think Trump took Twitter from being
a a news journo and kind of, you know, a
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superficial scroll through platform. But some people use to the
heart of the news cycle for a lot of people
in a lot of ways. Because the President of the
United States was speaking in real time to eighty million followers,
what does he do here, Clay? How does this play out?
I'll tell you you know, when I was doing sports
talk radio six to nine am Eastern, in that six
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am hour, everybody else was asleep. I sometimes, you know,
you hit the refresh feed on your Twitter feed and
it would be like Donald Trump and me. So he
was not only setting the national agenda buck, he was
doing it early in the morning before a lot of
the journalists were even up, and he was tweeting late
at night and all throughout the day. I mean, this
guy is an animal when it comes to his work ethic.
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I just think it's a really different So, first of all,
I think it's smart of Emon Musk, because it sets
the precedent that banning people, especially permanently banning people who
are the sitting president of the United States or a
potential candidate in twenty twenty four, is not a good idea.
So I think, from Elon Must's perspective, right decision more
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difficult situation. Can Trump join Twitter or is he contractually
obligated to only use truth social That is the number
one question I would have, because it's likely that they
have given Trump a lot of money for his exclusivity
in the social media platform regime. There second part here,
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is he actually benefiting from getting his Twitter account back now? Buck,
I can totally see the benefit when he was a
candidate and people were not familiar with what he believed,
and he didn't have the ability to reach them as
easily and he could mobilize them. The people who love
Trump are already active on social media in love with
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Trump right now. Biden is a decrepit old man who
is failing on all fronts, and so the story is
Biden stinks. As soon as Trump re emerges the great
Satan of the Blue check brigade out there, I think
that it might work against him because in twenty twenty four,
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in an ideal world, you make the case that Biden
has been bad and doesn't deserve as a part. If
Biden's running or the Democrats, they don't deserve to be
back in office. They don't it's a referendum on the incumbent.
If Trump becomes active again. My concern Buck is twenty
twenty four is a referendum on Trump again, and Biden
gets a pass on how bad he's been. So I
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don't know that he benefits. Do you think he benefits? Like,
how do you analyze this? Ah, that's so hard because
if you're the advisor, he came to you and he said, Buck,
should I get back on Twitter? Takeaway for us, it's
obviously great because we can react to tweets. We're in media.
But if you are the goal is to win to
win election, I'm gonna say this and it's and it
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hurts me to say it because because one I used
I used to love the occasion. You know, the occasional
Trump retweet was always amazing because all of a sudden,
some guy that I saw in his sitcom back in
nineteen ninety four was cursing at me in all caps.
I'm like, how does this person follow the out trater? Oh?
It's because if Trump retweeted it, So that was always fun.
I was like, Oh, it's the guy from Charles and Charge.
He hates me, now, you know? Or not not that
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show I'm just making one up, but because I think
Scott Scott Barrows actually he's a conservative, so he's actually
got a functional brain. Yeah, yeah, he's a good, good
dude from one I understand. Anyway, I'm just picking a
random show. Um, but yeah, I think if we're talking
about what the most likely pathway is for Trump, you know,
it's Look, I almost feel like it's too early. I
feel like it's too early to even go here, but
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I will say it anyway. We need a we need
a Trump two point zero where there's more focus on results,
where there's less focus on people that honestly kiss up
a lot and are actually effective. There were some people
who were very you know, I'm just saying we had Steve.
We have Steve Miller on the show a lot. One
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of the reasons why Steve Miller's a smart guy who
really knows this stuff and was effective in the White House.
I mean there are others too, but so I'm not
one of these people says, oh, everybody that was in
the first administration shouldn't be in the second administration. But
you need to have good advisors around him that he
would listen to. And this is basically by long preamble
for I for him to get for him getting re elected.
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I don't know if Twitter is actually helpful. I think
the media then create it feeds into the lib media
obsession with Trump the man and the person instead of
the movement, and it just becomes look at this meme
thing he said, or look at this and it and
now now people could argue by the way I this
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is one of those things where if someone thinks they
hear that, they say, Buck are totally wrong. I'll admit
I may be totally wrong on this one, but I
think Trump without running his own Twitter account on a
daily you know, maybe we could limit it. But the
thing is, Man, once the Trump bear is loose, I
don't know if you get him back in the cage.
Man like, once he has that Twitter account back, I
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think he's gonna do what he wants to do. And
they actually like the idea of having Twitter buck if
he's reelected, because he's already president. But the actual campaign Twitter,
I don't know that he benefits because I think it
allows people to characterize him and start to make the
case that twenty twenty four is about Trump when the
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reality is and even twenty twenty two if he came
back sooner than that. When the reality is twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty four are about Democrats failing on
an epic level. Nothing Republicans have done has caused where
we are right now. I'm gonna talk to Senator Marsha
Blackburn here in a few minutes about that failure by
the Biden administration, where's the economy heading? And much more
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