July 30, 2025 • 26 mins
📍Nebraska Head Football Coach Matt Rhule talks leadership, transformation, and the culture shift happening in Lincoln. Rhule shares his core philosophy on ownership, building championship teams, and creating brotherhood in the locker room. From his time at Temple and Baylor to lessons learned in the NFL, this conversation is a masterclass in high-performance coaching and purpose-driven leadership. Whether you’re a football fan or a student of leadership, this episode will leave you fired up.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Rhule’s goals for Nebraska this year
03:32 - Leading other coaches
06:23 - What makes a great coach?
09:19 - The pressure of success
12:52 - How the fans impact the team
15:44 - Doing the work every day
20:22 - Leading when times get tough
23:04 - The Family Mentality
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I truly, truly believe like for me, for me
as the head coach, like I have to have that urgency,
I have to leave no stone unturned. I have to
have the same discipline in my life that I want
them to have.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, everybody, It's not often that you get to
bring on a person that's not only a friend, but
somebody that you admire in a very significant way. Now,
over my career, I've been exposed to so many different
coaches and instructors and people that really spend a lot
of time influencing other people and particular young men. And
(00:37):
one of the people that has had the greatest impact
on me in my life because of how much he cares,
because of how much he's dedicated to what it is
he does for a living, he really transforms people's lives.
And So, without further ado, I'd love to welcome my friend,
coach Matt Ruhle to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Thank you Matt for coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, thank you broth and for I think you know this,
but the feelings beyond beyond usual in terms of how
I feel about you. So thanks for having me here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Absolutely, let's get right in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I know you're coming off big ten press week and
doing five gazillion interviews about specifics and you know what's
coming up in the season. So I thought we'd just
get started with you know. I mean, you go to
through a week like that, and obviously everybody wants you
(01:29):
to give the details of your expectation of performance, what
you think is going to be good or bad? What
How do you look at the season in terms of
not verse wins or losses, but in terms of your
players and what you want your players to really lean
into this year in terms of their development and their
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cohesion as a team.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, I mean it's year three for us, you know,
so you know, year one you come in. You know,
guys don't even know what to expect. You know, the
way we do things is is different, you know, maybe
than what they've done before. It's it's hard, and so
that the first year you're kind of teaching it. You
want them, you want them to sort of learn the process.
That that second year they start to live it out.
You know, they kind of know what to do. Now
(02:13):
they have to make a decision like am I gonna
am I gonna do it? Am I not gonna do it?
You know, sometimes you're you're you're working harder than you
ever have in your life, and you're getting some results,
but not what you wanted. And so there's there's kind
of almost like a decision that has to be made
by everybody, and and when they make that decision, if
they if they decide to buy in, then then year
three here for us.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I mean, I'm looking for ownership.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm looking for guys that like, no longer coach rules way,
it's our way, you know. And we reported today it's
like even so I told our coaches like, I don't
I want you to walk in this building every day
as a coach and be like, I'm so grateful to
be here. I love the food, I love I love
the gear, I love the clothing. I don't want you
to complain, like this is ours, you know. And I
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think when you have ownership and anything is possible, you know,
they're they're gonna they're take it and run with it.
And that's why my other college stops, we always played
for a championship a year three because it was no
longer me, it was them.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And that's one of my favorite components about your past
is you know, you look at what you were able
to do at Temple and the three year turnaround and
then at Baylor. Probably my favorite stories that you talk
about was when you went over to the Carolina Panthers
and how you learn you really understand, Hey, that wasn't
the right job for me, and I learned a tremendous amount.
(03:32):
You have two essentially new head coach, you know, had
new defensive coordinator and then obviously Dan Dana came in
at the end of last season. How do you get
them to come in and recognize, hey, this is year three,
this is the year that the expectations have rised, not
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only for our players because they're bought in, how do
you get them to speed up and get on on par.
I mean, they're both incredible professionals. They have wonderful backgrounds,
whether in the NFL or or or when they were
at Houston or West Virginia. So how do you look
to them and what do you say to them about
their buy in?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I think it's a great question. I think
it's it's really one of the as you're going through
the recruiting, the recruiting, but the hiring process. I think
you're looking at them and saying, like, are they going
to have the urgency. Are they going to have the intentionality?
Are they going to have the selflessness you know, required
to get this thing done. It's not just you know, hey,
what are my stats? It's what does it take to
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win this game? So I hope the first part is
just in the selection of people. But I truly truly believe,
like for me, for me as as the head coach,
like I have to model. I have to model what
I want from the people you know that report to me.
And so I have to have that urgency. I have
to leave no stone unturned. I have to have the
same discipline in my life that I want them to have.
(04:57):
So if I have that, then I hope it's and
it starts to catch on to you know, the coordinators,
and then I hope that then it catches on to
the staff and everybody, and he catches all the way
to the players and every single player. It's really hard,
in my opinion, to tell people what to do if
you're not doing it. And so if I have if
I have that urgency of like, hey, it's time for
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us to win. Now, it's time for us to perform,
I then can hold like I can hold people accountable,
you know, I can help them if they need help.
I can challenge them when they need challenged, but they
can't I can't allow it when they turn around to
me and they say like, well, you're not doing X,
Y and Z. And so for me, this year, I've taken,
you know, since the end of last season, I've taken
tremendous personal ownership over what happens this this uh this season.
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And as you know, sometimes that means you have to
let go. I gotta let Dana go do what Dana
does and he's great at it. I have to let
John do what he does. I can't hold everything together.
I've got to just uh trust them. But at the
same time have a standard, and that standard will you know,
we won't we won't compromise that standard for me.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I one of the things that I love most is
every year, I you know, there's there's the game where
you give the badass speech and and you know it
goes viral on the internet, and or you do some
postgame interview where you just like you just deliver the
right words that that generate this fam familial atmosphere at Nebraska.
(06:23):
And you said something during the Big Ten media Day
that it was like, well, as a head What do
great coaches do right? Great coaches listen, great coaches ask questions.
Can you describe a little bit more about that in
terms of that relationship between your new offensive decent defensive coordinator.
(06:45):
They're coming in, they're implementing the air raid offense. You know,
you're looking for that really to beef up your secondary
and you know, uh in the defense. How does that
that mindset of listening and then asking and right answering
the right questions not only with your players, but your
coaches work too.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Can you describe that a little bit more?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, no doubt, And I think that's that's probably the
place of most growth for me. You know, since I
was the head coach at Temple, you know, thirteen years ago,
twelve years ago, whatever, it was.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Like, no just do this and no, just do that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And you know, I think you know, when you think
about people, I mean, the best thing you can do
is ask questions and get them, especially now where people
don't want to talk they want to text, right, Like
asking questions and getting people to talk. And even if
I know what I want the answer to be or
where I believe the answer should be, if I'm asking them.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I started. We always start with why why would we
do this? And why do you want to do that?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And sometimes it illuminates for me like oh my gosh,
they're right, I'm wrong, and hey, let's go this path.
Like I could care less about being right or wrong.
I just want to end up afterwards saying, hey, we
did the right thing. So I try to ask the
right questions. But at the same time, if if, if
that's not the best path that they want to do,
and I'm asking the right questions, it's leading them, it's
guiding them.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Towards oh, you know, maybe we should do this over here.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And so I have no problem day would have no
problems to that saying like, no, guys, this is what
we're doing. I have no problem saying, hey, no, this
is the direction we're going to go. And uh, they're loyal.
I know they'll always they'll always buy into that. But
I think when they feel a part of it, I
think when they feel ownership to it's it's uh, when
I thought they can talk to you, I think it's
it's just a game changer.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So, you know, great organizations, great teams have great discourse.
You know, they challenge each other, they talk and that's
what I want. And if I'm not willing to listen,
then no one's no one's gonna ever talk. And so
I've had to grow in terms of listening better then
also asking the right questions. And when you do that,
you get great information. And you know, Dan has been
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a head coach. So we were in the meeting earlier.
We were talking about like walk throughs in the pace
and tempo, and you know, I was kind of stuck
on what we should do and he I was like,
what do do you think? And he just he gave
a direct answer, and I said, great, let's let's move.
Let's let's move in that direction. And what it's done
for me is things that you should take me. I
got to make these eight decisions that's going to take
me all this time to do it. Like maybe now
(09:00):
it's five, maybe three, things like Johnson say, hey, I
think we should do this, So being willing to not
you know, so often as leaders we think we have
to have all the answers. You know, you just have
to end up making the right decision in the end.
And so asking people what they would do getting there
buying I think it creates a great dynamic and you
get the right answer usually I.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I you know, I've always loved the way you provide
that environment for your you know, the people that work
with you, your coaches, and your players.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But even goes beyond that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I mean, I you know, I just think the entire
community of Nebraska football, Nebraska athletics has really evolved since
you've been there, you know, with all the new changes
that have taken place, all the new facilities and the
new you know, just a Nebraska athletics as a whole,
it just seems like it's on this this this ascension
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towards becoming a more dominant athletic program in a country.
You know, do you find that it's really bringing a
greater sensation of pride to these new players coming in?
I know you've got a tremendous amount of new players
in this year. And do you do you sense that
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it's having the impact that you had wanted.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It to have? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I think it takes on various forms, right
Like you know, when we when we when we have
two guys on our wrestling team, you know, win national championships,
and we have Jordy Balls, the best softball player in
the country. When are men's and women's teams, you know
make it. You know the postseason when when our volleyball team,
you know Harper Murray and you know uh Andy Jackson,
and you know all these great players Berg and Riley,
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they're they're dominating. You know, you walk you walk around
campus and you're like, hey, I'm part of something that's
bigger than me. I'm part of an elite athletic department
that you know, we win championships at the highest level.
And to your point, we're ascending, We're getting better and
better and better. So I want them to feeld tremendous
pride in that. Then I want them to feel the
investment being made, you know, by by us as a staff,
(11:03):
by the athletic department, Like, hey, you're important man, We're
gonna we're gonna, we're gonna bring you the best facilities,
we're gonna bring you the best food, We're gonna bring
you the best coaches. And then to your point, just
like the state, I mean, people all across the state
like we we are we are the NFL team here,
like we are the show in town.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's a lot of people that are counting on us
to play well there's a lot of people that are
counting on us, and so that can sometimes feel like pressure, like,
oh man, everyone's counting, But no, like I want them
to say to themselves, like, how lucky am I that
I'm at a place where everything I do matters and
my performance matters. And so it's not pressure, it's it's
it's it's a it's a it's a privilege that people
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care that much about what you do. So, yeah, from
where we were to where we are right now, it's
it's light years ahead. And then you know, we'll just
keep taking the same path. We getting a little bit
better every day, and and as we do that, though,
as you know, the pressure will mount. But we love
that Pressure's why we came to Nebraska to be a
part of that. That's that's my favorite aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's like that, the the ambition of it, right, the
ambition of matching the expectations from you know, all the
different championships, all the different Heisman winners, you know, the
storied pass of Nebraska football, and it's it's like you
have that weight on your shoulders, but now it's it's
you're almost in a new place. It's you're independent of it.
(12:27):
And I think that's the beautiful aspect of your leadership
style and your leadership. I remember when you first got
the job, you know you told me that. Uh, the
ad at the time was like, you know, there there
there two most important people in Nebraska are the governor
the head football coach. And you know that's a tremendous
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that's a tremendous burden. But the thing that I've I've
always seen with you wherever you go is like you
ever look at it as a burden. It's it's goes
back to that sensational pride. Can you talk a little
bit about you know, playing in that stadium that's been
sold out for you know what fifty plus years, the crowd,
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the people that support Nebraska football.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Can you describe that a little bit. Yeah, it's it's humbling.
I mean it's amazing, it's you know, it's uh, it's
it's humbling because you know, we haven't been really successful
since like two thousand, you know, at a high, high,
high level. Right now, there was some Bonpoline has some
wonderful years ten ten wins level and be careful how
(13:31):
I say that, but really till last year, it has
been since twenty sixteen, that until we won a bowl game.
Yet the fans come every week and they come because
it's their state, it's their team.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Those players are their players. They have tremendous ownership in
the program.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And you last year, I remember thanking the fans like
thanks for coming for all this time, even though it
hasn't been at the level that we want, you know,
until now and so, but that makes the game special.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The the the.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Traditions here, the light shows when we can do, the balloons,
the looms, you know, just I mean, it's a passionate crowd.
And David, they don't just love football, they also know football.
I'll go to speak at different places and you know,
I'll get I'll get questions from people. I'll get question
from men, women, young, old, and they're all smart football
questions because they understand the game.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Think.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, they come early, we come out for warm
ups and everyone's there. They stay to the end. And
so to be able to last year, give them some moments,
you know, beating Colorado, which is obviously a better rivalry,
you know, beating Wisconsin for the first time in twelve years,
going you know, which let us go to a bowl
game and seeing the people in the stands right seeing
seeing how excited they were.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You know, let's me.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, the game's over. I'm thinking about next week.
I think about what do I say in the locker
room and get ready for next week. But when you
make it about not just you but other people, when
it's you know, it's when you're having joy for them,
it's really pretty special because they've shown up all these
years and only asking for Nebraska's best in return and
to be able to make a step and go to
a bowl, win a bowl, it was it was really
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really all because they give us a great atmosphere each
and every week.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's that's phenomenal. I think you know, when you play
in anytime, you're a part of a something that that's
not just transactional, right. I think, you know, that's the
thing I learned a little bit when you were at Carolina.
There's the you know that you know, pro football is
a little bit more transactional right within within college football,
(15:24):
it's it's it's there's a legacy involved that you're always
up against. You're always trying to cultivate it and and
moreph you know, your own personality to kind of keep
lifting it up and taking it to the next level. Well,
anybody that takes five seconds and looks at your upcoming
season and what your schedule looks like, there's no doubt
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that you are upping you know, that that pressure and
upping that that level of performance. You know, I think
that obviously for me and I think everybody else. You know,
every question that seemed to kind of press you on
on the season, and this you know, centers around September twentieth,
November first, and November twenty second in terms of Michigan
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Penn State and you're alma mater, you know, Michigan USC,
and then you're alma mater Penn State. I know you
don't look at at a season in that capacity. You
look at one game at a time. But when you
set a schedule like that and you pull your your
coaches and your team together, you know, how do you
get them to one respect the magnitude of what's in
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front of them, but also stay focused on showing up
and doing the work each and every day.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, you're exactly right like that that that that is
the job, right because you know we're so obviously we're
so outcome driven, which we should be, but you know.
To me, you know, like, okay, well we want to
go up. We want to go CFP, we want to
want to want to big win the Big ten, we
want to win the national championship. But like, shoot, so
does everybody else, you know, every every team in the
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country say that. So you know, goals are easy. Execution
is everything, and so how do you execute? You come
out every single day, And my point to our guys
is always, however, whatever the intensity we're going to have
for the last game of the season, whatever, whether that's
a national championship game, a bowl game, a playoff game,
or the last game, whatever the last game of the
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year is, whatever that intensity we're going to play with
is well, then we got to practice that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Way tomorrow and we probably will tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But like ten days in when you're sore and beat up,
practice that way ten days from now, and there has
to be that same intensity. There has to be that
same message about every single day, like going out there
and just being great because to me, the wins are
fun because they're achievement. It's fun to go out and achieve,
but it's just a measure showing showing your greatness. Like
I want to play good teams so that we can
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show that we're great. But then I also have a
chance to just be great and everything that we do, like,
we can be great. And the way we work out
in the mornings, we can be great. In the way
that we meet, the way that we do everything. And really,
when I think about my goal, it's I want to
run an elite great really the best college football program
in the country. Like and that's not just on game days, like,
I want that to be every single day. Everything we
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do is marked by excellence. And so if excellence starts
being your running partner, then you got a pretty good
chance if you wait for three or four games and like, okay,
let's be great today. But we got the top team
in the country and you're and you're not living an
excellence each and every day and you're not straining, you're
not you're not making yourself miserable each day so that
you could say, hey, I did something really hard that
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it's hard to do something hard later we we we've
got to live that way every single day. And so
you know, it started last year at the end of
last year, and I remember putting up the schedule that David, like,
I was like, hey, look, cow, many teams are like
five and seven step six and six seven.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Seven five like us.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Who's who's gonna who's gonna who's gonna be, who's gonna
be pushing themselves, who's gonna be, who's gonna embrace hard things,
who's gonna have the courage to do things are afraid
to do for the next six months to get to
the season.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And our guys have done it. So I look forward
to those games.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But I also look forward to to everyone that we
played because it's a chance for our guys to go
out there and show greatness, show excellence, show mastery. I'll
show the love they have for each other in the game.
And that's that's that's why I got into this whole
thing for.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, And you know, I think that's always the component
as a as a coach, that you want you want
to you want to inspire these people to go up
against those giant hurdles, right you you know, to look
at that as the aspiration, that's the ambition, right, And
that's if I'm not going against Penn State at Penn State,
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then why am I even playing this damn game?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And and I want it, you know, And for Dylan
to go against Drew like that's that's his dream coming true.
And so for me it's just like wow, I mean,
these young kids are always You're always putting the opportunity
in front of them to develop those leadership traits through
their wor work ethic, their play and then really to
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to lift other people around them up. Who are some
of the guys on the young men on your team
right now that are really exemplifying, uh, in meeting that
challenge in their development as young leaders.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, that's a that's a great uh another great question.
But we we have, you know, you always have like
the guys that like when I think about leadership, I'm
always there's always the guys that love like it up
and give a speech. There's always the guys a lot
like like and that that's great, right, I mean we
want we want those things, but it's convenient sometimes, right,
Like things are going well and hey, I'm gonna rally,
the boys are gonna go out there. To me, I'm
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always looking at hey when things are really hard, when
things are you know, the shifts are stacked against us,
like who who's gonna Who's gonna lead us?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Then?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Like who's gonna lead us in tough, tough, tough times.
Who's gonna put the team above themselves when need be?
And you know you mentioned Dylan. I think Dylan's done
a great job of it. Marquise Buford is a senior
for US, two torn acls, all kinds of adversity, but
he's one of those rare guys in today's society. He's
not afraid to speak up, he's not afraid to talk
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to people. Yet he has great relationships with him so
they know where he's coming from. I think that's I
think that's really important. You know, a young man Dane
Key transferring from Kentucky. He's very verse of me, very
very very accomplished, playably well in the SEC And you
know a lot of those guys could come in if
they wanted to him, be like, well I do it
this way and I do it that way. And just
the humility that Dane has had the presence he's had
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to come in to lead the group.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
We have a tremendously talented young group and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Just come in with that veteran experience and it's something
as simple as like every day I go down, I
do this this silly little like sawn of cold plunge
challenge things I do and about four o'clock in the
afternoons and a couple of coaches will come with me
and Dane is usually there. And this, ye I know,
I just noticed every every week he had a couple
more receivers with him. And you know, walk in the
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sauna one day there's fourteen receivers sitting in the saw,
which I was mad because I couldn't get my normal seat.
But I just think there's something too that, like you
can say you're a leader based upon your position, or
you can say that you're a leader because you're moving
people outside of their comfort zone them they're doing things
that they normally don't do. And so I see that
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from Dane. I see him as being one of the
guys who's really come in and helped transform a position
that really needed that leadership.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And I'm real grateful for him for that.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I agree, man, I'm so looking forward to watching that
young man play, and you know, just you know, with
Dana's new offense and just what could take place. I mean,
you know, I go back and you know, anybody that
can can average five hundred and sixty three point four
yards per game in an offense is mind blowing to me.
(22:51):
And the fact that now you have this you know, this,
this receiver staff, that's that's that's coming together, these kids
that really are buying in. You've got the quarterback in
a second year and really maturing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It seems like the things that you always preach, which
is the family of the team, right and that relationship aspect.
Can you describe kind of that for maybe, you know,
younger coaches, maybe some high school coaches out there that
are trying to figure out how to get these kids
that you know, it seems like as I evaluate high
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school football or you know, younger football wherever I go,
whether I'm looking at IMG, you know, or I'm looking
at you know, some teeny little podunk football team in
the Panhandle in Florida. You know, can you describe why
you think it's so important to that that familial attitude,
that the family mentality in raising young men as well
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as young players is so critical to developing great programs?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, you know, I think, you know, I think the
most powerful and most powerful words in the English language
is the word us. You know, It's it means that
you're part of something like it means you're part of
a family or part of a group or uh you know,
part of part of a team, that that that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Leads to belonging.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I think as humans, we all want to belong we
all want to have we all want to have a
group that we protect and we know they'll protect us,
right so, so so we're trying to always build us.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
We're always trying to build a team.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
We're trying to build a place where guys can feel
safe to challenge themselves, to put themselves out there, because
I mean, if you're just playing for yourself in crucial moments,
like when when you could take that chance to go
make that play, they could win the game, but the
pressures on you, you might you might not do it.
You might be afraid of making a mistake and getting
crushed on social media and all the things that people
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will say. But when you know that you're part of
a group, and you know that when you fall, they're
going to be there to catch you or pick you up.
When when you know that, like, hey, it's not about me,
it's about it's about my brothers and the brother hood
that we built, and then you're gonna they're gonna lay
it all on the line. And you know, we live
in a day and age now where you know, people
are your transfer, we're moving around. It's kind of like
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everyone's their own corporation, their own brand, as they say.
And and there's some good things that come along with that, probably,
but you'll you'll never ever have that sense of, hey,
I'm a part of something, that sense of belonging and
the safety that comes with that. Yeah, you're you're missing out.
Like you know, the locker room is the greatest place
in the world, man. So we're just always trying to
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build a great locker room with people who care about
each other. And you have to do one and sometimes
to walk away from toxic people. Like toxic people kill that.
And so if you can walk away, you know, if
you're willing to do that, if you'll make tough decisions,
you protect the locker room, they'll come together and then
they'll they'll they'll do things that no one thought they
could do because they're doing it for each other.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well coach again, man, I, I can't thank you enough
for taking time out today, uh, giving me a little
bit of your time. As you know, I'm one of
your biggest fans in the world. I just have so
much faith in who you are as a as a
leader and a coach, but more importantly as a man,
and how you influence these young men.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So good luck this season.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna get up
to the Penn State Nebraska game.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I know I'm gonna be torn and who to root for,
But right now I might.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I might actually lean towards you right now, though Pat
would kill me if you heard me say that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So God, bless you. Thank you so much, coach.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I appreciate no, thank you, my friend. You're the best.
And I truly, truly believe like for me, for me
as the head coach, like I have to have that urgency,
I have to leave no stone unturned. I have to
have the same discipline in my life that I want
them to have.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All Right, everybody, It's not often that you get to
bring on a person that's not only a friend, but
somebody that you admire in a very significant way. Now,
over my career, I've been exposed to so many different
coaches and instructors and people that really spend a lot
of time influencing other people and particular young men. And
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one of the people that has had the greatest impact
on me in my life because of how much he cares,
because of how much he's dedicated to what it is
he does for a living, he really transforms people's lives.
And So, without further ado, I'd love to welcome my friend,
coach Matt Ruhle to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Thank you Matt for coming on.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, thank you broth and for I think you know this,
but the feelings beyond beyond usual in terms of how
I feel about you. So thanks for having me here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Absolutely, let's get right in.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I know you're coming off big ten press week and
doing five gazillion interviews about specifics and you know what's
coming up in the season. So I thought we'd just
get started with you know. I mean, you go to
through a week like that, and obviously everybody wants you
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to give the details of your expectation of performance, what
you think is going to be good or bad? What
How do you look at the season in terms of
not verse wins or losses, but in terms of your
players and what you want your players to really lean
into this year in terms of their development and their
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cohesion as a team.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Well, I mean it's year three for us, you know,
so you know, year one you come in. You know,
guys don't even know what to expect. You know, the
way we do things is is different, you know, maybe
than what they've done before. It's it's hard, and so
that the first year you're kind of teaching it. You
want them, you want them to sort of learn the process.
That that second year they start to live it out.
You know, they kind of know what to do. Now
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they have to make a decision like am I gonna
am I gonna do it? Am I not gonna do it?
You know, sometimes you're you're you're working harder than you
ever have in your life, and you're getting some results,
but not what you wanted. And so there's there's kind
of almost like a decision that has to be made
by everybody, and and when they make that decision, if
they if they decide to buy in, then then year
three here for us.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I mean, I'm looking for ownership.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm looking for guys that like, no longer coach rules way,
it's our way, you know. And we reported today it's
like even so I told our coaches like, I don't
I want you to walk in this building every day
as a coach and be like, I'm so grateful to
be here. I love the food, I love I love
the gear, I love the clothing. I don't want you
to complain, like this is ours, you know. And I
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think when you have ownership and anything is possible, you know,
they're they're gonna they're take it and run with it.
And that's why my other college stops, we always played
for a championship a year three because it was no
longer me, it was them.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And that's one of my favorite components about your past
is you know, you look at what you were able
to do at Temple and the three year turnaround and
then at Baylor. Probably my favorite stories that you talk
about was when you went over to the Carolina Panthers
and how you learn you really understand, Hey, that wasn't
the right job for me, and I learned a tremendous amount.
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You have two essentially new head coach, you know, had
new defensive coordinator and then obviously Dan Dana came in
at the end of last season. How do you get
them to come in and recognize, hey, this is year three,
this is the year that the expectations have rised, not
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only for our players because they're bought in, how do
you get them to speed up and get on on par.
I mean, they're both incredible professionals. They have wonderful backgrounds,
whether in the NFL or or or when they were
at Houston or West Virginia. So how do you look
to them and what do you say to them about
their buy in?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You know, I think it's a great question. I think
it's it's really one of the as you're going through
the recruiting, the recruiting, but the hiring process. I think
you're looking at them and saying, like, are they going
to have the urgency. Are they going to have the intentionality?
Are they going to have the selflessness you know, required
to get this thing done. It's not just you know, hey,
what are my stats? It's what does it take to
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win this game? So I hope the first part is
just in the selection of people. But I truly truly believe,
like for me, for me as as the head coach,
like I have to model. I have to model what
I want from the people you know that report to me.
And so I have to have that urgency. I have
to leave no stone unturned. I have to have the
same discipline in my life that I want them to have.
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So if I have that, then I hope it's and
it starts to catch on to you know, the coordinators,
and then I hope that then it catches on to
the staff and everybody, and he catches all the way
to the players and every single player. It's really hard,
in my opinion, to tell people what to do if
you're not doing it. And so if I have if
I have that urgency of like, hey, it's time for
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us to win. Now, it's time for us to perform,
I then can hold like I can hold people accountable,
you know, I can help them if they need help.
I can challenge them when they need challenged, but they
can't I can't allow it when they turn around to
me and they say like, well, you're not doing X,
Y and Z. And so for me, this year, I've taken,
you know, since the end of last season, I've taken
tremendous personal ownership over what happens this this uh this season.
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And as you know, sometimes that means you have to
let go. I gotta let Dana go do what Dana
does and he's great at it. I have to let
John do what he does. I can't hold everything together.
I've got to just uh trust them. But at the
same time have a standard, and that standard will you know,
we won't we won't compromise that standard for me.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I one of the things that I love most is
every year, I you know, there's there's the game where
you give the badass speech and and you know it
goes viral on the internet, and or you do some
postgame interview where you just like you just deliver the
right words that that generate this fam familial atmosphere at Nebraska.
(06:23):
And you said something during the Big Ten media Day
that it was like, well, as a head What do
great coaches do right? Great coaches listen, great coaches ask questions.
Can you describe a little bit more about that in
terms of that relationship between your new offensive decent defensive coordinator.
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They're coming in, they're implementing the air raid offense. You know,
you're looking for that really to beef up your secondary
and you know, uh in the defense. How does that
that mindset of listening and then asking and right answering
the right questions not only with your players, but your
coaches work too.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Can you describe that a little bit more?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, no doubt, And I think that's that's probably the
place of most growth for me. You know, since I
was the head coach at Temple, you know, thirteen years ago,
twelve years ago, whatever, it was.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Like, no just do this and no, just do that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And you know, I think you know, when you think
about people, I mean, the best thing you can do
is ask questions and get them, especially now where people
don't want to talk they want to text, right, Like
asking questions and getting people to talk. And even if
I know what I want the answer to be or
where I believe the answer should be, if I'm asking them.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I started. We always start with why why would we
do this? And why do you want to do that?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And sometimes it illuminates for me like oh my gosh,
they're right, I'm wrong, and hey, let's go this path.
Like I could care less about being right or wrong.
I just want to end up afterwards saying, hey, we
did the right thing. So I try to ask the
right questions. But at the same time, if if, if
that's not the best path that they want to do,
and I'm asking the right questions, it's leading them, it's
guiding them.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Towards oh, you know, maybe we should do this over here.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
And so I have no problem day would have no
problems to that saying like, no, guys, this is what
we're doing. I have no problem saying, hey, no, this
is the direction we're going to go. And uh, they're loyal.
I know they'll always they'll always buy into that. But
I think when they feel a part of it, I
think when they feel ownership to it's it's uh, when
I thought they can talk to you, I think it's
it's just a game changer.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
So, you know, great organizations, great teams have great discourse.
You know, they challenge each other, they talk and that's
what I want. And if I'm not willing to listen,
then no one's no one's gonna ever talk. And so
I've had to grow in terms of listening better then
also asking the right questions. And when you do that,
you get great information. And you know, Dan has been
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a head coach. So we were in the meeting earlier.
We were talking about like walk throughs in the pace
and tempo, and you know, I was kind of stuck
on what we should do and he I was like,
what do do you think? And he just he gave
a direct answer, and I said, great, let's let's move.
Let's let's move in that direction. And what it's done
for me is things that you should take me. I
got to make these eight decisions that's going to take
me all this time to do it. Like maybe now
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it's five, maybe three, things like Johnson say, hey, I
think we should do this, So being willing to not
you know, so often as leaders we think we have
to have all the answers. You know, you just have
to end up making the right decision in the end.
And so asking people what they would do getting there
buying I think it creates a great dynamic and you
get the right answer usually I.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I you know, I've always loved the way you provide
that environment for your you know, the people that work
with you, your coaches, and your players.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But even goes beyond that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I mean, I you know, I just think the entire
community of Nebraska football, Nebraska athletics has really evolved since
you've been there, you know, with all the new changes
that have taken place, all the new facilities and the
new you know, just a Nebraska athletics as a whole,
it just seems like it's on this this this ascension
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towards becoming a more dominant athletic program in a country.
You know, do you find that it's really bringing a
greater sensation of pride to these new players coming in?
I know you've got a tremendous amount of new players
in this year. And do you do you sense that
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it's having the impact that you had wanted.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It to have? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I think it takes on various forms, right
Like you know, when we when we when we have
two guys on our wrestling team, you know, win national championships,
and we have Jordy Balls, the best softball player in
the country. When are men's and women's teams, you know
make it. You know the postseason when when our volleyball team,
you know Harper Murray and you know uh Andy Jackson,
and you know all these great players Berg and Riley,
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they're they're dominating. You know, you walk you walk around
campus and you're like, hey, I'm part of something that's
bigger than me. I'm part of an elite athletic department
that you know, we win championships at the highest level.
And to your point, we're ascending, We're getting better and
better and better. So I want them to feeld tremendous
pride in that. Then I want them to feel the
investment being made, you know, by by us as a staff,
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by the athletic department, Like, hey, you're important man, We're
gonna we're gonna, we're gonna bring you the best facilities,
we're gonna bring you the best food, We're gonna bring
you the best coaches. And then to your point, just
like the state, I mean, people all across the state
like we we are we are the NFL team here,
like we are the show in town.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And so.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
There's a lot of people that are counting on us
to play well there's a lot of people that are
counting on us, and so that can sometimes feel like pressure, like,
oh man, everyone's counting, But no, like I want them
to say to themselves, like, how lucky am I that
I'm at a place where everything I do matters and
my performance matters. And so it's not pressure, it's it's
it's it's a it's a it's a privilege that people
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care that much about what you do. So, yeah, from
where we were to where we are right now, it's
it's light years ahead. And then you know, we'll just
keep taking the same path. We getting a little bit
better every day, and and as we do that, though,
as you know, the pressure will mount. But we love
that Pressure's why we came to Nebraska to be a
part of that. That's that's my favorite aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's like that, the the ambition of it, right, the
ambition of matching the expectations from you know, all the
different championships, all the different Heisman winners, you know, the
storied pass of Nebraska football, and it's it's like you
have that weight on your shoulders, but now it's it's
you're almost in a new place. It's you're independent of it.
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And I think that's the beautiful aspect of your leadership
style and your leadership. I remember when you first got
the job, you know you told me that. Uh, the
ad at the time was like, you know, there there
there two most important people in Nebraska are the governor
the head football coach. And you know that's a tremendous
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that's a tremendous burden. But the thing that I've I've
always seen with you wherever you go is like you
ever look at it as a burden. It's it's goes
back to that sensational pride. Can you talk a little
bit about you know, playing in that stadium that's been
sold out for you know what fifty plus years, the crowd,
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the people that support Nebraska football.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Can you describe that a little bit. Yeah, it's it's humbling.
I mean it's amazing, it's you know, it's uh, it's
it's humbling because you know, we haven't been really successful
since like two thousand, you know, at a high, high,
high level. Right now, there was some Bonpoline has some
wonderful years ten ten wins level and be careful how
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I say that, but really till last year, it has
been since twenty sixteen, that until we won a bowl game.
Yet the fans come every week and they come because
it's their state, it's their team.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Those players are their players. They have tremendous ownership in
the program.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And you last year, I remember thanking the fans like
thanks for coming for all this time, even though it
hasn't been at the level that we want, you know,
until now and so, but that makes the game special.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
The the the.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Traditions here, the light shows when we can do, the balloons,
the looms, you know, just I mean, it's a passionate crowd.
And David, they don't just love football, they also know football.
I'll go to speak at different places and you know,
I'll get I'll get questions from people. I'll get question
from men, women, young, old, and they're all smart football
questions because they understand the game.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Think.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I mean, they come early, we come out for warm
ups and everyone's there. They stay to the end. And
so to be able to last year, give them some moments,
you know, beating Colorado, which is obviously a better rivalry,
you know, beating Wisconsin for the first time in twelve years,
going you know, which let us go to a bowl
game and seeing the people in the stands right seeing
seeing how excited they were.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
You know, let's me.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, the game's over. I'm thinking about next week.
I think about what do I say in the locker
room and get ready for next week. But when you
make it about not just you but other people, when
it's you know, it's when you're having joy for them,
it's really pretty special because they've shown up all these
years and only asking for Nebraska's best in return and
to be able to make a step and go to
a bowl, win a bowl, it was it was really
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really all because they give us a great atmosphere each
and every week.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's that's phenomenal. I think you know, when you play
in anytime, you're a part of a something that that's
not just transactional, right. I think, you know, that's the
thing I learned a little bit when you were at Carolina.
There's the you know that you know, pro football is
a little bit more transactional right within within college football,
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it's it's it's there's a legacy involved that you're always
up against. You're always trying to cultivate it and and
moreph you know, your own personality to kind of keep
lifting it up and taking it to the next level. Well,
anybody that takes five seconds and looks at your upcoming
season and what your schedule looks like, there's no doubt
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that you are upping you know, that that pressure and
upping that that level of performance. You know, I think
that obviously for me and I think everybody else. You know,
every question that seemed to kind of press you on
on the season, and this you know, centers around September twentieth,
November first, and November twenty second in terms of Michigan
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Penn State and you're alma mater, you know, Michigan USC,
and then you're alma mater Penn State. I know you
don't look at at a season in that capacity. You
look at one game at a time. But when you
set a schedule like that and you pull your your
coaches and your team together, you know, how do you
get them to one respect the magnitude of what's in
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front of them, but also stay focused on showing up
and doing the work each and every day.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, you're exactly right like that that that that is
the job, right because you know we're so obviously we're
so outcome driven, which we should be, but you know.
To me, you know, like, okay, well we want to
go up. We want to go CFP, we want to
want to want to big win the Big ten, we
want to win the national championship. But like, shoot, so
does everybody else, you know, every every team in the
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country say that. So you know, goals are easy. Execution
is everything, and so how do you execute? You come
out every single day, And my point to our guys
is always, however, whatever the intensity we're going to have
for the last game of the season, whatever, whether that's
a national championship game, a bowl game, a playoff game,
or the last game, whatever the last game of the
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year is, whatever that intensity we're going to play with
is well, then we got to practice that.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Way tomorrow and we probably will tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
But like ten days in when you're sore and beat up,
practice that way ten days from now, and there has
to be that same intensity. There has to be that
same message about every single day, like going out there
and just being great because to me, the wins are
fun because they're achievement. It's fun to go out and achieve,
but it's just a measure showing showing your greatness. Like
I want to play good teams so that we can
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show that we're great. But then I also have a
chance to just be great and everything that we do, like,
we can be great. And the way we work out
in the mornings, we can be great. In the way
that we meet, the way that we do everything. And really,
when I think about my goal, it's I want to
run an elite great really the best college football program
in the country. Like and that's not just on game days, like,
I want that to be every single day. Everything we
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do is marked by excellence. And so if excellence starts
being your running partner, then you got a pretty good
chance if you wait for three or four games and like, okay,
let's be great today. But we got the top team
in the country and you're and you're not living an
excellence each and every day and you're not straining, you're
not you're not making yourself miserable each day so that
you could say, hey, I did something really hard that
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it's hard to do something hard later we we we've
got to live that way every single day. And so
you know, it started last year at the end of
last year, and I remember putting up the schedule that David, like,
I was like, hey, look, cow, many teams are like
five and seven step six and six seven.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Seven five like us.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Who's who's gonna who's gonna who's gonna be, who's gonna
be pushing themselves, who's gonna be, who's gonna embrace hard things,
who's gonna have the courage to do things are afraid
to do for the next six months to get to
the season.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
And our guys have done it. So I look forward
to those games.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But I also look forward to to everyone that we
played because it's a chance for our guys to go
out there and show greatness, show excellence, show mastery. I'll
show the love they have for each other in the game.
And that's that's that's why I got into this whole
thing for.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, And you know, I think that's always the component
as a as a coach, that you want you want
to you want to inspire these people to go up
against those giant hurdles, right you you know, to look
at that as the aspiration, that's the ambition, right, And
that's if I'm not going against Penn State at Penn State,
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then why am I even playing this damn game?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And and I want it, you know, And for Dylan
to go against Drew like that's that's his dream coming true.
And so for me it's just like wow, I mean,
these young kids are always You're always putting the opportunity
in front of them to develop those leadership traits through
their wor work ethic, their play and then really to
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to lift other people around them up. Who are some
of the guys on the young men on your team
right now that are really exemplifying, uh, in meeting that
challenge in their development as young leaders.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, that's a that's a great uh another great question.
But we we have, you know, you always have like
the guys that like when I think about leadership, I'm
always there's always the guys that love like it up
and give a speech. There's always the guys a lot
like like and that that's great, right, I mean we
want we want those things, but it's convenient sometimes, right,
Like things are going well and hey, I'm gonna rally,
the boys are gonna go out there. To me, I'm
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always looking at hey when things are really hard, when
things are you know, the shifts are stacked against us,
like who who's gonna Who's gonna lead us?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
Then?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Like who's gonna lead us in tough, tough, tough times.
Who's gonna put the team above themselves when need be?
And you know you mentioned Dylan. I think Dylan's done
a great job of it. Marquise Buford is a senior
for US, two torn acls, all kinds of adversity, but
he's one of those rare guys in today's society. He's
not afraid to speak up, he's not afraid to talk
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to people. Yet he has great relationships with him so
they know where he's coming from. I think that's I
think that's really important. You know, a young man Dane
Key transferring from Kentucky. He's very verse of me, very
very very accomplished, playably well in the SEC And you
know a lot of those guys could come in if
they wanted to him, be like, well I do it
this way and I do it that way. And just
the humility that Dane has had the presence he's had
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to come in to lead the group.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
We have a tremendously talented young group and.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Just come in with that veteran experience and it's something
as simple as like every day I go down, I
do this this silly little like sawn of cold plunge
challenge things I do and about four o'clock in the
afternoons and a couple of coaches will come with me
and Dane is usually there. And this, ye I know,
I just noticed every every week he had a couple
more receivers with him. And you know, walk in the
(22:01):
sauna one day there's fourteen receivers sitting in the saw,
which I was mad because I couldn't get my normal seat.
But I just think there's something too that, like you
can say you're a leader based upon your position, or
you can say that you're a leader because you're moving
people outside of their comfort zone them they're doing things
that they normally don't do. And so I see that
(22:21):
from Dane. I see him as being one of the
guys who's really come in and helped transform a position
that really needed that leadership.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
And I'm real grateful for him for that.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I agree, man, I'm so looking forward to watching that
young man play, and you know, just you know, with
Dana's new offense and just what could take place. I mean,
you know, I go back and you know, anybody that
can can average five hundred and sixty three point four
yards per game in an offense is mind blowing to me.
(22:51):
And the fact that now you have this you know, this,
this receiver staff, that's that's that's coming together, these kids
that really are buying in. You've got the quarterback in
a second year and really maturing.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
It seems like the things that you always preach, which
is the family of the team, right and that relationship aspect.
Can you describe kind of that for maybe, you know,
younger coaches, maybe some high school coaches out there that
are trying to figure out how to get these kids
that you know, it seems like as I evaluate high
(23:28):
school football or you know, younger football wherever I go,
whether I'm looking at IMG, you know, or I'm looking
at you know, some teeny little podunk football team in
the Panhandle in Florida. You know, can you describe why
you think it's so important to that that familial attitude,
that the family mentality in raising young men as well
(23:51):
as young players is so critical to developing great programs?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, you know, I think, you know, I think the
most powerful and most powerful words in the English language
is the word us. You know, It's it means that
you're part of something like it means you're part of
a family or part of a group or uh you know,
part of part of a team, that that that.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Leads to belonging.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I think as humans, we all want to belong we
all want to have we all want to have a
group that we protect and we know they'll protect us,
right so, so so we're trying to always build us.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
We're always trying to build a team.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
We're trying to build a place where guys can feel
safe to challenge themselves, to put themselves out there, because
I mean, if you're just playing for yourself in crucial moments,
like when when you could take that chance to go
make that play, they could win the game, but the
pressures on you, you might you might not do it.
You might be afraid of making a mistake and getting
crushed on social media and all the things that people
(24:47):
will say. But when you know that you're part of
a group, and you know that when you fall, they're
going to be there to catch you or pick you up.
When when you know that, like, hey, it's not about me,
it's about it's about my brothers and the brother hood
that we built, and then you're gonna they're gonna lay
it all on the line. And you know, we live
in a day and age now where you know, people
are your transfer, we're moving around. It's kind of like
(25:08):
everyone's their own corporation, their own brand, as they say.
And and there's some good things that come along with that, probably,
but you'll you'll never ever have that sense of, hey,
I'm a part of something, that sense of belonging and
the safety that comes with that. Yeah, you're you're missing out.
Like you know, the locker room is the greatest place
in the world, man. So we're just always trying to
(25:29):
build a great locker room with people who care about
each other. And you have to do one and sometimes
to walk away from toxic people. Like toxic people kill that.
And so if you can walk away, you know, if
you're willing to do that, if you'll make tough decisions,
you protect the locker room, they'll come together and then
they'll they'll they'll do things that no one thought they
could do because they're doing it for each other.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well coach again, man, I, I can't thank you enough
for taking time out today, uh, giving me a little
bit of your time. As you know, I'm one of
your biggest fans in the world. I just have so
much faith in who you are as a as a
leader and a coach, but more importantly as a man,
and how you influence these young men.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
So good luck this season.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna get up
to the Penn State Nebraska game.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I know I'm gonna be torn and who to root for,
But right now I might.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I might actually lean towards you right now, though Pat
would kill me if you heard me say that.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So God, bless you. Thank you so much, coach.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I appreciate no, thank you, my friend. You're the best.
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