July 28, 2025 • 51 mins
đź“ŤCan the two-party system finally crumbling? Today, we dive into the political shockwave Elon Musk just triggered by announcing the American Party—a bold attempt to unite the 80% of Americans stuck in the middle. David explores the long history of third-party failures, the rigged systems that keep them down, and whether Musk can break the mold. From corrupt NGOs and insider political deals to the case for term limits and a new revolution, this one pulls no punches.
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00:00 - Elon announces The American Party
06:04 - The American vs European Political System
20:33 - History of American Political Parties
25:58 - History of Third Parties in America
32:01 - Do Americans want a third party?
40:48 - Can Elon create a successful third party?
43:04 - Why America needs a change
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Should America have more than a two party system? Well,
Elon Musk and five million, six hundred and thirty thousand
people believe we should. Today on the David Rutherford Show,
What's up, everybody, I am super fired up to be
back with you, and today is a question that I
think most people have been on and off about since
(00:23):
the history of political parties in the United States, and
that's whether or not we are done with a two
party system. Now all of this is coming to fruition
after Elon Musk posted on June fifth, after his little uh,
what would you call that, JORDI, what would you call that?
(00:44):
A little spat he had with the president which came
with a little freak out or crash out that's a y, yeah,
a little crash out spat that took place on Twitter
after the one Big Beautiful Bill numbers came out. And
what happened as a result is Elon Musk presented a
(01:04):
poll on x which by far is the number one
new site in the world, in the number one site
and many I don't even know, one hundred plus countries
around the world, and he asked, this is it time
to create a new political party in America that actually
represents the eighty percent in the middle. And he had
(01:25):
everybody vote and guess what, five million, six hundred and
thirty thousand, seven hundred and seventy five people voted. Now
guaranteed probably these were people from around the world. These
were not all Americans. These were you know, probably who
knows who is voting. Many people maybe tried to vote
multiple times, or bought farms voted. Who knows what voted.
(01:49):
But that's the biggest sample size that I think i've
I've pretty much ever seen in this and the result
was On July four, Elon Musk announced that he was
going to start a new political party and call it
the American Party. Now right, I mean, I think it's
(02:10):
really creative. You know, Now, why why do we need this? Well,
I mean, for since our inception back in the day,
Americans have always gotten frustrated in some way, shape or
form with the people that are leading them. And I
think nowadays there are multiple things that have provoked the
(02:31):
American public. I mean, obviously, we saw an absolute collapse
of the Democratic Party in the last three presidential election cycles. Why,
I think the most obvious was that the Democratic the
DNC had the whole thing rigged. I think, you know,
once we saw Bernie Sanders get the shaft in sixteen
(02:53):
but basically you know, pushed out and Hillary Clinton coming in.
Then in two thousand, uh twenty, we saw just a radical,
uh display of of of voter fraud, negligence control. I mean,
(03:14):
the presidential candidate won supposedly won, you know, eighty one
million votes, the most more votes in human history, and
the dude never left his basement, and and his cognitive disability,
uh disabilities, we were prevalent even back then. We could
everyone could see it. But somehow eighty one million votes.
And I can't wait till we get into that, and
(03:35):
then I'll start attack though, Yetta, he's the best Joe
Biden I've ever seen, right, Joe Scarborough and clan right,
And I love the mashups they have right now of
of all of that, right.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then the mashups of the meltdown when they realize
that Trump is winning. Oh my god, I've watched that
more than more times that I want to admit. And
then and then what happened, man, Then what happened to
all those swing states? But that's a whole no show.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And we're going to get into that soon, because that's
beginning to come out, and it's going to come out
with a vengeance. Here, my guess it's going to come
out with a vengeance, probably six to eight months prior
to the twenty twenty sixth election. And anyway, so you know,
you have and then he gets in office, and now
we see, you know, the industrial censorship complex just explode.
(04:22):
I was a result of that, right I got censored.
You know, you had government working in conjunction with social
media companies. Then you had the craziness of the DEI,
the ESG stuff, you I mean, just everything went bonkers.
And and even people within that political party were like,
wait a minute, this is not the old school Democratic
(04:45):
party that I support. They actually even became the Warhawks party,
which is bizarre to me.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The crazy thing is all of those were conspiracies that
have now hardened into facts.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah. Well they start with like, oh, they're crazy people.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Online, just saying that they're just you know, making things
z up, all the right winging extremes, and then just slowly,
time after time, all the way up culminating. I believe
when Tolsy Gabbert just dropped on us, you just get
the evidence. It just eventually it comes out. And those
conspiracy theories are just early facts.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well that's what I'm saying. And and and I think
that's ultimately what begins to provoke the idea of a
new party because within within the party system, you know,
they're they're basically loose coalitions within those within the system,
within the two main systems themselves, and then people become
disgruntled and and and begin to emerge that like what
(05:36):
we've seen. I you know, we just did a show recently.
I hope you all listened intentally to the Magas split
and what's taking place, primarily as a result of what
we're seeing with with Elon Mosk, the Doge cuts becoming
cert you know, solidified cuts and spending all this stuff,
and now you're seeing a disenfranchisement within those systems some
(05:58):
some of our foreign policy stuff lately. And that's what
takes place throughout history. Now, you know, the question has
always becomes, you know, can a third party emerge and
have success within this juggernaut system that we have. And
so today what I really wanted to do is just
(06:20):
kind of dig in, you know, in a in a
in a way that can give some context to the
historical nature of it. And then also, you know, within
the system, we have what are some you know, decent options.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
This will be a good episode because I need this
episode because admittedly I'm pessimistic. I'm one of those people
that goes, man, I would love another party. I see
the problems with the two party system. I get it.
I get the whole argument. I don't I haven't been
convinced yet that we can have a third party because
of the way, you know, the majority of votes, the
(06:55):
way we vote versus the way Europe votes, And I
just think that a third party is a just gonna
you know, coalesce into one of the two existing ones too,
you know, have that much super majority or whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I need it. You need to convince me. So I
need this. I need this episode.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well it's not only you, Jeordy, it's also you know,
you in your car right now, you know, and and
driving in and going yeah, what's going on? And I'm
getting tired of both things. You know, why aren't we
giving more government accountability? Why can't we see why can't
we prosecute the people within involved in Epstein? Why can't
we know? Uh, you know, the corruption that went on
(07:35):
with the Clinton Foundation. Why why are we not seeing
all this? And you know, I think a tremendous amount
of people, including myself and you listening right now, you
you feel something's off, and you know that's for a
multitude of reasons, but I think most most notably, uh,
we have more access to information now than we ever have,
(07:58):
and we've got a better way to an lies the
probability of whether or not things can work or not.
And so, you know, first before we get into you know,
you have to realize that nothing in the Constitution of
the United States precludes there from being just a two
party system. And there's nothing that says, oh no, it
only works with two parties. That's it. It just doesn't
(08:21):
exist now. Obviously through different Federal Election Commission FEC laws,
you know, different states have different processes to become eligible
to be on a ballot. Right. We saw that significantly
(08:43):
with Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who ultimately because the DNC
was suing him, was actually suing him led by Mark
Elias in his activities basically saying we're going to sue
you in to submission and not allow you to get
the enough signatures in order to be able to get
(09:04):
on the ballot. Now, what's crazy is in some places
those signatures are as low as a thousand signatures, right,
and then in some places like California, it's one hundred
thousand signatures. And then obviously what we've seen over and
over is that these major parties and they're you know,
they're there there the law fair that they're capable of waging.
(09:26):
You know, they're gonna do everything they can to prevent that, right.
They really believe that he was a threat. So what
he ended up doing he ran as an independent, you know,
you know, And the system has been known in a
couple of different ways. And one of the things that
it's it's uh first passed the post political system. That means,
you know, the person who ends up winning the majority
(09:50):
of votes ends up collecting all of the electoral votes
for the state. Now, states by no measure are bound
to this type of structure. In fact, when you look
at Maine and Nebraska, they have the option to give
their electoral votes to to divide them up to give
them who they want, which is a very interesting idea
(10:13):
and something to consider. As I talk about on the
other end, of this whether or not this political the
American Party is going to gain any steam.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
One point one slight detail I just want to throw
in there for people who don't know about this, because
I didn't very recently. It doesn't have to be the majority.
It's whatever candidate has the most votes. Now that might
be over fifty percent, right, but it's just the first
one to get more than all the other people. Even
if that's that could be ten percent. You know, I mean,
if you had a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
People that's right, that's right, and it's and that's a
that's a key indicator, and that's really you know, and
overseas that what they'll do is they'll they'll divvy up
seats based on percentages and highest and lows and but
not here, right, It's it's that goes back to that
first past the post political system. There's a brilliant guy
(11:03):
at Hillsdale College. I'm forgetting what his name is right now.
Maybe we'll put a link. He's got a great little
video on YouTube that we'll post in the notes here
of this of this show that really kind of explains
the basics of this system. Now, you know, the idea is,
you know, are there what are the pros and cons
(11:24):
versus this? Obviously, you know the pros are It really
drives incentive for the main system to be the main
party to work in kind of a coalition based framework,
which you know, the Democratic Party since really since the
nineteen fifties has been you know, a grand coalition of
(11:48):
all these this and we saw it, you know, considerably recently.
We've got all these the progressive progressive wing, You've got
you know, all these different groups. You've got Blue Dog Democrats, Democrats,
You've got the Squad, You've got all these and they
and they break down like that within Congress as well, right,
you've got these caucuses that end up, you know, kind
(12:09):
of you having to convince to get a majority vote
within the House or the Senate, you know, the Freedom
Caucus within the Republican Party or you know, like I said,
the Squad and the Democratic Party. So an example of that, well,
I you know, nothing has been quite formalized when in
either one in the House of the Senate as a
(12:32):
particular MAGA movement, and I think, you know, the Freedom
Caucus is kind of the the the root cause you know,
you've got Eli Crane in that group, who you know
another team guy who's got some great interviews that he
did with with Sean on his show, which I highly
recommend you check those out if you're if you're listening.
And so you have this kind of caucus based, coalition
(12:55):
based thing, and even in the Republican Party as you know,
you have you know, traditionalists in the party. You have
Tea Party O yeap, oh my god, you've got Tea
Party members. Yeah, yeah, that's great, you know, foreign people,
and I think it really kind of divides.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Proficial though, right.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, I mean I think the Tea Party tried it
at its hand to be you know, its own party.
You know, it's kind of an off offshoot of the
Libertarian Party in some capacity, but they you know, the
challenge is funding, right, and that's really where it becomes substantial,
because you're in these massive races against these juggernauts with
(13:37):
you know, all these different.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know DNC dude, good luck.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well you look at like the grassroots aspect of what
Act Blue is able to accomplish, right, and you had
millions of these voters, Democratic voters from this wide variety
of this coalition that we're giving on a regular basis,
you know, five ten, fifteen, twenty dollars every month, and
(14:02):
then it became this juggernaut. Now I will say, you know,
the to the great work of mister James O'Keefe and
oh my god, our OMG Media, his company. He did
this wonderful expose that really discovered that ActBlue had been compromised.
Rather than they actually no is wild, he actually showed
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up at these voters in rural Virginia, would show up
to these old people's house and say, you know, knock
on the door and say, excuse me, ma'am, I'm a journalist,
but have you donated to Act Blue? And they'd be like, oh, yeah, donated,
and you know, and he's like, well, it says here
that you donated one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
(14:44):
after over the last three and they're like, oh my goodness,
I'm on a fixed income. There's no way I could
have done that. God, oh god. It's the The corruption
in this thing is substantial, and what many people believe
is those donations were hidden and they were foreign donations
coming from China, coming from the Middle East, coming from
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all over the place. But that's another part of investigation
that we need to get to the bottom of as
well too. And the other cool radical thing about within
one of the coalition aspects, the BLM movement. Guess who
ran who ran and controlled BLM's funding and fundraising Act Blue.
So when you went to BLM and donated to BLM,
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that money went to Act Blue, which was the fundraising
juggernaut of the Democratic Party right anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So so being an NGO, dude, that's that's what we're missing.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We need we need to get us an NGO.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, they're already in there. What are you talking about.
There's all these religious NGOs that we saw in the
last component right where you had one NGO, a Christian
based NGO in Texas. I forget where it was. They
went from annually getting about forty million dollars a year
forty forty five million dollars a year to two hundred
(16:04):
and fifty million dollars a year and that was through
government funding. So what do you have You have essentially
them bringing in all these illegal aliens. Well, what is
part of the process of that, Well, you try and
get them identification so they can work. Well, then what
do you do. You take that identification, You go to
the local registrar, you know, and you register those people
(16:26):
to vote based on their there are things A huge
thing just got busted down in Texas doing this, like
it was like twenty five people within the Democratic Party
that got busted for doing this. So you know, you
you have these systems. Obviously there's so much money taking place,
there's so much space for corruption. You know, that's I
(16:48):
think that's another aspect of why you know, you're you're frustrated,
like I am, like I know, you know the people
that are listening are frustrated as well too, so you know,
you you know, one of the things that you know,
this concept called party sorting. So if one party has
a tendency to lean too far one the way or
(17:09):
the other, you know, what you have is to break
down a coalition. Then people just you know, are like, well,
I'm not voting for that, I'm not being a part
of it, and then you lose that consensus. Well, one
of the things we've seen over the last eight years
or more than that, I would say probably we're going
in six, you know, fifteen, sixteen years now is this,
you know, the consolidated effort of the Democratic Party, like
(17:31):
they vote lockstop, lockstep with each other and they don't
break those party lines, which has created this you know,
pretty divisive uh system. But I you know what, here's
the deal. It's always been divisive, like we have. I
think the American public gets to a certain place and
(17:51):
it's like, oh no, no, politics used to be cool.
Like it was very you know, very very regimented and
all this and that's all bull like you know here,
like I just found this out, you know, based on
this last election cycle that you know, back in the
early nineteen hundreds, like senators didn't even run campaigns. They
(18:12):
were appointed by the parties. Right, so like the RNC
or the DNC or you know whatever the bull moves
party of Theodore Roosevelt right in early nineteen hundred, like
they would appoint you know, if you won, you appointed
senators and they appointed who would get these these positions.
So so there's a lot of nuance about this that
(18:34):
I think is is really creates a difficult hurdle to
overcome if you're a new party. But we'll get into that, right.
You know. The other aspect is the idea of the
direct primary. You know that really kind of ingrains the
idea of this two party system where you're going to
run against another person, you win the primary, you get
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the voters in your area, you know, in these these districts,
and you know you're good to go. You win the primary,
you move in, you're the favorite. Now that's the where
we have this other you know thing that becomes very
problematic for us as voters is the gerrymandering that takes place.
And this takes place with all different types, right, whether
it's a faulty consensus by integrating illegal uh residents of
(19:23):
America who have no place, justifying the differences of of
of how many congressional seats of particular state gets right. Uh.
Then there's also within the states themselves, you know how
they rearrange in gerrymander districts. You know, bipartisan, right, I mean, yes,
they both do this. They both do this, right, it
(19:44):
benefits them and and and you know it's obvious it
comes out that they have discussions about this thing. Well,
we'll give you we'll give you the west side of Boca,
or we'll give you this little piece over here of
Kassimi or you know of you know, and we're gonna
move this and and and and that's what you're doing.
You're you're you're you're rigging your area to make sure
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that you get enough voters so that you're never going
to get primary, right, You're never going to have some
candidate come in and overwhelm you who's from a different party.
And that's how this whole system works. You know, I think,
let me just let's just take a break from this
and let me just give a kind of a brief
summation of the history of parties in America, right, And
(20:33):
let me just give a kind of a brief summation
of the history of parties in America. Right. You know,
I think the first party system really originated. Everybody's familiar
with the wonderful Broadway play called Hamilton, right and the Federalists,
you know, And and what was interesting is you And
(20:56):
this is the part that I think people need to
think about, if if they to think about third parties
emerging or whatever, is what are the core issues for Americans?
And what have been those core issues from the beginning?
And so what did the Fed? What did Hamilton and
his people what did they what were they supporting? They
supported strong central government, a national bank, right commerce, and
(21:19):
ties with Britain. It was funded by the wealthy elites
and commercial interests. Right. I had early victories with President Adams, right,
but declined after the War of eighteen twelve. Then here
was an interesting one and many people don't realize this,
but the other party of the time was called what
(21:39):
the Democratic Republicans. And this is essentially Jefferson and Madison, right,
We're the champions of this emerging party, and changed they
champion aggregariant. I can't ever say this, dude, agrarianism, right,
that states rights and strict constitutional interpretation. Right. So that's key,
(22:02):
you know, to begin to I understand. So it's money,
states rights influence, right, foreign policy right, and this you know,
this really was the system, all right. So when did
the second party system emerge? And this was basically from
eighteen twenty four to the eighteen fifties, and you had
(22:24):
the Democratic Party. Who was the big little trivia question
for you, Jordi, who was the first Who was the
first pipe hitterer in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Democratic non federalist.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Non federalists, not Democratic Republicans, but the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Dude, I'm gonna embarrass myself if I answer to this.
I got no clue.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Andrew Jackson oh dog right, right, who was a populist right,
pro states rights right. And it was all about this grassroots,
small donations, you know a large number of people and
they really really connected with with the people. And I
think you know also because he was a war hero,
(23:10):
he was a badass. Was yeah, he was badass. When
you when you when you do the research on and
Andrew Jackson, you know nothing other than he was a badass. Right.
He grew the country bigger than anybody else, really powerful. Well,
you also had the Whig Party that emerged, right, and
these are the opponents of Andrew Jackson who were pro
federal investment people and infrastructure, and they were funded by
(23:33):
the businessman right and the elites, William Henry Harrison. But
the party eventually was dismantled over you know, the concept
of slavery, the third party system. Eighteen fifties to the
eighteen nineties, you had the Republicans right, and we who's
(23:55):
the most notorious Republican in history, Hey Blincoln, old honest
day Blanken right, anti slavery, pro business, high tariffs, you know,
kind of anti central banking, you know systems, but high
terraffs get other countries who want to deal with us
to pay their fair share and historic wins. That was
(24:18):
the Industrial Revolution around that time, so we needed it, right, Yeah,
well it began right early kind of eighteen forties, eighteen fifties,
railroads started going big, transcontinental commerce, shipping grew, industrialization began.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's the only way we compete, could compete probably as
an emerging country.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's right, we need the tariffs, right, yeap, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why because the South was producing a tremendous amount of
goods that were going overseas, right, Sugar, tobacco, all the
stuff that was really you know, the the juggernaut of
the Southern States. Then you had the Democrats right right
(25:03):
regionally with urban Southern support back to immigrant labor, rural
interests and fluctuation and power through the Gilded Age now
you know, post Civil War, the Republicans really dominated all
the way up and through that time, right through the reconstruction.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Era because they were anti slavery and they won right well.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They pretty much demolished the old school system, right and
they had you know, so much industrialization going in particular
beginning in the eighteen seventies, eighties and nineties that you know,
the South because it had been essentially decimated these farms.
I mean, they restructured and came back with a vengeance
(25:44):
under those Jim Crow laws, and.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Their economy collapsed because their cost of labor just went
through the roof. If you can't see slavery obviously, and
so yeah, the North obviously would crush them because they
had all it was all industrial.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That's right, all right, So within the twentieth century things
really began to shift, right, you know. I think what
was interesting for me was you had, you know, Teddy
Roosevelt really kind of excelled at turn of the century
based on kind of American might industrialization, but was another yeah,
(26:18):
but he had very progressive views and it was like, hey,
you know, let's get rid of child labor, let's uh,
women's suffrage was a big thing. But after he came out,
you know, he went back into politics and that's when
he started. And this was really, in my opinion, the
first of the thirty third party candidates, and this was
(26:38):
the Bull Moose Party right, which was the Progressive Party
of nineteen twelve. Because he lost the Republican nomination to
Howard taff Right, so he rose run as this third party.
So on women's suffrage, labor productions, direct democracy, regulation of corporations. Right,
he wanted to break up the monopolies. Well, what was
(27:02):
crazy is that he won twenty seven percent of the vote,
but he split the Republican vote. And that's where all
these third party concepts come in. You know, you have
so much pressure eight, Well, all you're going to do
is just split one side or the other, thereby losing
all your momentum. There's no way you're going to pull
from both parties. Right, So he ended up weighing losing.
(27:26):
And then who'd we get the great Woodrow Wilson who
gave us all kinds of wonderful, wonderful outcomes World War One,
the Federal Reserve Act and income text. God bless Woodrow Wilson, Right,
you son of a bitch. All right, So that was really,
(27:48):
in my mind, the first one of modern politics that
began to emerge. You know, they pretty much dominated Democrats
dominated politics all the way through FDR World War One.
Then you had Truman come in Republican, and then right
after him Eisenhower, Kennedy LBJ, and then finally in the
(28:12):
late sixties Nixon. You know, but there were kind of
these this coalition that even gained strength. But even within
the Democratic Party there was some division. You had the
Dixie Kratz of nineteen forty eight led by Storm Thurman.
You know, you had within the American Independent Party led
(28:35):
by George Wallace, the governor of Alabama, who was opposed
to civil rights. You know what was crazy is that
he won thirteen point five of the popular vote in
forty six electoral votes. Now that's key to realize. Many
people never even talk about him winning that many votes, right,
(28:55):
because it's the electoral votes. What everybody always wants to
go is. You know, people want to go to the
most notable in modern history, which was Ross Perot, and
they want to be like, well, Ross Paro run as
an independent. You know, he gained a significant his nineteen
ninety two run. He peaked at nineteen percent in summer
(29:19):
polls in October, finished with nineteen percent of the popular vote.
But he guess what, how many electoral votes did Ross
Perot get?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
JORDI, Oh no, I'm gonna guess ten.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He got zero.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Nice, So if I was alive, I feel like I
would have I would.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Elect Ross Perot.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'll tell you what I did. I really did. I mean,
I thought he was sharp. He used to do these
really awesome like commercials where he would take graphs and
he'd explain everything.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I've seen his famous thing about him explaining all of that,
like the spending or the debt or the the reserve.
I mean, it was like he just put he just
he was super wealthy, right, and so he does a
billionaire times that's right, and he's like, here you go,
we're gonna do a college lecture real quick on how
this works.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's that's awesome. I wish people do that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well. People resonated with him, right, People were like, Yeah,
we're sick of the spending, We're sick of the bull
We're sick of all this that's going on, the war's
going on, We're sick of all this. And he was
able to strike a nerve right, and you know, he
was a populace, a centrist right, and he called it
the Reform Party basically, and it was an alternative to
(30:32):
the Democrat Republicans. And his main thing was he wanted
to balance federal budgets with defit reduction. He opposed to
corporate driven trade deals. Uh, he wanted campaign refined find
finance reform, excuse me, campaign finance reform, term limits for Congress,
which I think I know if you're listening, you want.
(30:55):
I want that, right, I mean right government accountability and transparency.
That would be nice, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Ross Pro twenty twenty eight, let's go exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He's got immigration controls, right, that's a big issue nowadays.
You know, in ninety six he ran again, but he
only received eight point four percent of the vote, not
as strong as ninety two. I think people really loved Clinton.
You had Jesse Ventura who actually ran right as a
(31:25):
reform candidate and won the Minnesota governor's race. Now that's
a key indicator right there, because states are the most vulnerable.
And I'll get into that in a second. Right. And
finally you had Pat Mucannon, John Hagelin. You had a
couple Green Party candidates in the past, but really the
(31:47):
last substantial one was on a presidential was Ross Pro
and Jesse Ventur as a governor. And then finally where
we're at today. On July fourth, Elon Musk announced that
the American Party Now, according to you, Gov, forty five
percent of Americans believe a third party is necessary, but
(32:07):
just eleven percent would consider joining. A Quinnipiac University poll,
forty nine percent Americans say they would consider joining a
third party, while only seventeen percent say they are interested
in the one created by Musk. CNN sixty three percent
Americans favorite third party just twenty five percent when Musk
(32:27):
is involved. I guess those centrists on the Democratic SORR
once he got behind Trump kind of kind of ended
that for him.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, this reflects kind of how I'm feeling of. This
sounds like a great idea in theory, right in theory,
I support this. I sounds like a great idea because
you know, people usually line up with most of maybe
but not all of people's opinions on each side of
the aisle. And wouldn't it be nice in theory to
(32:57):
have this third party that got everything I wanted? But
i'llo to have this other part of my brain's like
the angel and the devil on my shoulder. The Devil's like, yeah,
but how practical is it? How realistic is it? Well,
I'm going to tell you how realistic it is.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Actually, there's actually a gentleman that did an extensive study
on this and came up with something that is now
known as the DUIs Verge law and is a principle
in political science that explains the relationship between electoral systems
and the number of viable political parties in a given
(33:33):
political environment. Now, this is named after French political science
scientist Maurice DUIs Verge, who developed this concept in the
nineteen fifties. The law posits that certain electoral systems tend
to produce specific party systems and outcomes. Specifically, it suggests
(33:56):
that a single member district plurality rules electoral systems often
called first past the Posts tend to favor two party systems,
while proportional representation pr systems tend to encourage multi party systems. Now,
you can look this up on chat GPT or grock four,
(34:19):
whichever is your fancy, and this guy gives a real
deep dive on this. Now, there was one aspect I
want to talk about now is the psychological effect. So
the psychological effect refers to how voters and political actors
adapt their behavior based on the electoral incentives. Right in
the system that we have, voters often engage in strategic voting,
(34:44):
choosing not to vote for smaller parties. They prefer to
avoid quote wasting their vote and instead supporting one of
the two leading parties likely to win. For example, a
voter in the US who prefers the Green Party vote
for the Democratic candate to prevent to prevent a Republican victory. Now,
(35:05):
we saw that pretty extensively with Donald Trump, right, I mean, yes,
you know, anybody, but Trump was a major thing right
for for the last three cycles because they basically.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
On the flip side. I think, sorry, I think on
the flip side the libertaries. A lot of libertarian leading folks,
we're probably going to vote Republican for the same exact reason.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think we saw that you had major libertarians like
Scott Horton, Dave Smith.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You know, Oliver ran as a Republican, right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, that's right, that's right, right, he runs as a Republican.
And you know, if you if you dig into his stuff,
which are some really amazing thing My favorite aspect of
him is is federal deficits and ending the FED. Love that,
no new wars, different focus on foreign policy. But again,
(35:59):
you know, the Liberty Party is not going to be
able to one get the the energy it needs via
funds and a concisess around the political system. Now, what's
interesting to me is, you know, when you see all that,
(36:20):
you go to yourself, well, all right, we're stuck in this.
And I know if you're you know, if you're like me,
and you see these and you get into it and
you start reading about it, you start becoming a little depressed.
A Right, we are entrenched in this system and we
can't break out of it. But again I go back
(36:41):
to the idea of why not. The fact is is,
you know, if you look at both parties and let's
just start, let's just start at two thousand and two,
a two thousand election, let's just start there and go
forward from there, and we've got, you know, twenty five
years to evaluate in our political system. And what we
(37:05):
have is we have both of those parties have done
substantial damage to the American system. Now, granted, hold on,
I'm gonna give a caveat My life is awesome, all right.
I do a podcast for a living, Right, I work
(37:28):
for a large asset management company. My kids go to
great schools. Right, got a sick bus cut, Yeah, I
got a sick buzz cut. Right. You know, dude, my
life is awesome. And I want you to know because
sometimes I worry that my audience, who I know are
are incredibly pro American as am I. I mean, I
I raised my riving hand, I volunteered to serve down range,
(37:50):
I served in many different facets. I am the guy
that you know screams Merca. You know, I was just
at of Zach Bryan Khan Shart in New York, right
at the MetLife Stadium, and you know, multiple times in
this concert the crowd broke up, broke out and us, Hey,
(38:14):
you say so, I'm there chanting. My kids are looking
at me like, jeez, what are you doing. I'm like, us, Hey,
you know, so I am. I bleed red, white and blue.
I am a diehard American. I love America. Right. However,
there are some pretty substantial things that have led me
to be forced to present these questions right, And I
(38:39):
think the big ones for me are some of our
foreign policy fiascos, the Iraq War in particular. Are are
the bailouts of two thousand and eight was astonishing to me.
I think the corruption that we've seen on both sides
of the isle. I think the Epstein thing is unbelievably
(39:04):
detracting towards both political parties because I think everybody was
involved in this government, both parties. Well, that's it, that's
the final one. I mean, how what what is the
level of catastrophe that my children are going to have
to suffer through and yours too, Right, Like, that's who's
(39:24):
going to bear the burden of thirty eight trillion dollars
in debt.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It'll blow up at some point, it'll be it'll be
fine until it's not, and when it's not, it'll be
very not.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Well, I mean last time we went into a crisis
like this, we have thirty four million people out of jobs,
and during the Great Depression, this thing lingered for ten
years because of poor fiscal responsibility and these these programs,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And I mean I think that that would make the
Great Depression look like a like a rainy day compared
to what would come.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Far if we have to default on our or people
stop using the US dollar, or there's or the other
route is hyperinflation, I mean, it would be like people
would be begging for the Great Depression at that point, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Thank you going to you know, your showing up and
you know all of your assets are gone. You know,
no bank has the money to pay your money, right,
nobody is holding like the FDIC is insured. Like, there's
no way if there's a bank run, there's a collapse.
You know, we saw a small collapse take place in
regional banks what just a few years ago?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Three around there.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's right, that's right, and and you know, so, you know,
with all of this going on and the madness of
the ping pong back and forth of the current political systems,
I actually would like to see what Elon Musk is
going to do now for you know, you know, my
(40:52):
little fun things I like to do at night when
I'm sitting at home. I asked, all right, groc how
would you run this political party? And what do you
need to do? Went through all the different FECs things
that he had to do, all this type of stuff,
the campaign financing, finding the right political person getting behind it,
(41:16):
the messaging of the party exactly and explicitly what they represent,
and then and then the campaign in order to do that,
and you know it, it seemed logical to me.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I mean, I mean, he could fund it, and he's
a marketing genius. He's got those he's got that going
for him.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's right, He controls you know, he's got you know,
he doesn't have two hundred billion dollars liquid, you know,
but he certainly can cash in ten billion dollars worth
of stock or wherever. He just posted something today that
he believes in the next ten years Tesla could have
a twenty five trillion dollar valuation once the robots come online,
(41:53):
once all this stuff comes online, self driving.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Car I think is right.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Oh, I do too, There's no doubt, so, you know,
And with his new Tea Mobile. I don't know if
you saw this earlier in the week, his new T
Mobile agreement. Essentially there's not a place on the planet
that you're going to have a dead spot.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh from Starling, that's right. So I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Stand by to watch T Mobile. If you want to invest,
I would invest in Tea Mobile and Tesla here soon
because that's what's going to take place. I'm actually thinking
about doing it. I do have love Verizon. They give
great deals. You know, we've got great family plans, but
you know, to be able to have coverage everywhere in
the world, you just can't beat that. So this is
(42:37):
a guy that is many people have repeatedly, and I'm
talking the most successful financial people in the world inventors
in the world tech people. You know, don't bet against Elon, No,
all right, don't bet. But if there's anything that's going
to unify the d n C and the RNC, it's
(42:58):
going to be a fight again a new emerging political
party now saying all that to say this, you know
what what we definitely need though, is we we we
need a greater sense that our politicians are not you know,
(43:22):
abusing their power, right, whether it's insider trading, whether it's
UH government agencies and they're spending I mean, what was
the funniest I mean, I think the funniest thing I
saw all week was just yesterday, Trump or whenever it
was Trump was went over to the new fed construction
(43:43):
and basically in front of Jerome Powell was like, you know,
a reporter asked, you know, Trump goes, what would you
do with one of your buildings if you win a
billion dollars over budget? And he goes, it's simple, I'd
fire him. And you know, Jerome Power, I've never seen
Jerome powers. He was just humiliate, sweating, sweating, right, And
(44:04):
when you see things like that, and I see things
like that, that's the thing that stirs the spark in you.
You're like enough already. What the hell? Why don't we
have term limits? Why don't we have better control of
our government spending? Why does the Pentagon fail an audit
every single year? Why can't we know if there's gold
(44:27):
at Fort Knox? Why can't you know? How does the
Federal Reserve have secret meetings where they establish the rates?
In fact, a group just filed an emergency a lawsuit
against them so that their meeting I think next Tuesday
will be public and we can actually watch their meetings
(44:47):
and how they set interest rates.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And why I didn't know that wasn't already true?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
That's insane, Yeah, I mean, then think about the power
and influence of what the federal fronds rate is, the
interest rate of the United State. It is right that
that influences the entire planet. And that's planned in a
secret meeting that no one knows about with a few
people in it.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's right, that's crazy, yeah, And why why has the
Federal Reserve never been audited? So these are the things
that provoked This is the This is the stuff that
provokes a person who has the capability to know how,
knowledge and desire to begin to launch another party. It's
(45:29):
not new. It's been done multiple times before, the last
billionaire Ross Parrot, we saw Teddy Roosevelt, we go all
the way back. But what I'm trying to say is
that the American political system is ready for a little
bit of a shakeup, right to test the resolve of
the two main party system. Right, And I think that's
(45:51):
a good thing. Do I think it's going to be successful?
You know, I'm not going to hold my breath. Is
it possible for it to be successful? Well, anything's possible
in the American spirit, anything including revolutions, civil wars, world wars, protests,
you name it. Anything is possible when the American public
(46:15):
has had enough. So, you know, if if you really
want to get involved, like if you really believe that
enough is enough, what many political scientists believe is is
get involved in the system that exists. Right, Go volunteer
on a municipal level, get involved, Go run for city council,
(46:39):
run for city mayor do state elections. We'll go and
involved in political Get involved in the R and C
of the DNC in your state. Right, become an electoral person, right,
get it, get involved and and try and make the
changes internally because because of the duves A right, the
(47:01):
duives A law. This is the system that it appears
that we're stuck with. But with a guy like Elon
Musk behind it, who knows. But again, the politics is
in your hands again to reinforce. Nothing in the Constitution
prevents a third party, and the states really have the
overall ability to make huge changes in our political system.
(47:25):
So get off your butt, get involved, and get out there.
All right, Uh, you know, thank you so much. Yeah
that was pretty good. Huh, that was already good.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know, you know, you at least you moved me
a little bit because you had to. You kind of
called my bluff a little bit. And I at least
have to ask, okay, why not even if I'm a
little concerned or you know, not super hopeful about a
third party, I I can't. I can't allow myself if
I'm an American, who which is a country that was
started in a way that's way less likely than having
(47:56):
a third party in the United States? Now that to
be successful, right, I mean, the American Revolution was the
most unlikely thing to be successful. Ever, if we can
pull that off, you can at least ask the question, well,
why couldn't there be right, So I'll at least be
open minded to it.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, I think we always have to. I think that's
our duty as an American is to ask why can't
we change the system?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
It's part of it's I think that's imbued with who
are It is so funny, man. When I was up
in New York, I took my children to the Metropolitan
Museum of Art. It's one of my favorite places on
the planet, absolutely love. And I went into Old American
Art and I and you know, it's going through all
the different hallways and I'm looking and I turn and
I see it and we walk out and there it is.
(48:42):
There's the giant painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. Right yeah.
And I'm sorry, I'm blank on the on the the
artist right now, but you know, I say, I go, kids,
come here, right here. This is the representation of who
you are. Right here. It's a bunch of farmers with
you know, pitchforks and beat up old rifles. And know
(49:06):
some guys didn't have shoes. They had you know, they
wrapped their feet in burlap. And they're crossing the icy
Delaware and they go kick kick the asses of a
bunch of mercenaries, right, and that was the change of
the entire thing. Had they lost that assault, it was over.
We'd still be British maybe or something else. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
If they allow themselves to think about, hey, is it
likely that we win?
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
They would never have crossed the Delaware That's right, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
And that's the thing I'm trying to teach my children,
and that's what I want you to learn too. That's
what i want you to remember inside of you, inside
every American is a person that has the capacity to
question the system and then not only question the system,
but once you realize the system isn't what it is,
to be able to stand up and make a change
(49:56):
in the system. It all comes down to whether or
not you have the the determination, the focus, the effort,
the obsession, and really the patriotic gusto to make that change.
So that's what I'm hoping, Jordi, and we'll keep paying
attention to this. I think twenty twenty six is going
to be wild. It's going to be an adventure unlike
(50:18):
anything we've seen before. But you know, God bless America. Yeah, amen, Amen,
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I'm grateful for the God. I'm grateful to Jordy, my family,
and grateful to Christ who Yah
Should America have more than a two party system? Well,
Elon Musk and five million, six hundred and thirty thousand
people believe we should. Today on the David Rutherford Show,
What's up, everybody, I am super fired up to be
back with you, and today is a question that I
think most people have been on and off about since
(00:23):
the history of political parties in the United States, and
that's whether or not we are done with a two
party system. Now all of this is coming to fruition
after Elon Musk posted on June fifth, after his little uh,
what would you call that, JORDI, what would you call that?
(00:44):
A little spat he had with the president which came
with a little freak out or crash out that's a y, yeah,
a little crash out spat that took place on Twitter
after the one Big Beautiful Bill numbers came out. And
what happened as a result is Elon Musk presented a
(01:04):
poll on x which by far is the number one
new site in the world, in the number one site
and many I don't even know, one hundred plus countries
around the world, and he asked, this is it time
to create a new political party in America that actually
represents the eighty percent in the middle. And he had
(01:25):
everybody vote and guess what, five million, six hundred and
thirty thousand, seven hundred and seventy five people voted. Now
guaranteed probably these were people from around the world. These
were not all Americans. These were you know, probably who
knows who is voting. Many people maybe tried to vote
multiple times, or bought farms voted. Who knows what voted.
(01:49):
But that's the biggest sample size that I think i've
I've pretty much ever seen in this and the result
was On July four, Elon Musk announced that he was
going to start a new political party and call it
the American Party. Now right, I mean, I think it's
(02:10):
really creative. You know, Now, why why do we need this? Well,
I mean, for since our inception back in the day,
Americans have always gotten frustrated in some way, shape or
form with the people that are leading them. And I
think nowadays there are multiple things that have provoked the
(02:31):
American public. I mean, obviously, we saw an absolute collapse
of the Democratic Party in the last three presidential election cycles. Why,
I think the most obvious was that the Democratic the
DNC had the whole thing rigged. I think, you know,
once we saw Bernie Sanders get the shaft in sixteen
(02:53):
but basically you know, pushed out and Hillary Clinton coming in.
Then in two thousand, uh twenty, we saw just a radical,
uh display of of of voter fraud, negligence control. I mean,
(03:14):
the presidential candidate won supposedly won, you know, eighty one
million votes, the most more votes in human history, and
the dude never left his basement, and and his cognitive disability,
uh disabilities, we were prevalent even back then. We could
everyone could see it. But somehow eighty one million votes.
And I can't wait till we get into that, and
(03:35):
then I'll start attack though, Yetta, he's the best Joe
Biden I've ever seen, right, Joe Scarborough and clan right,
And I love the mashups they have right now of
of all of that, right.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then the mashups of the meltdown when they realize
that Trump is winning. Oh my god, I've watched that
more than more times that I want to admit. And
then and then what happened, man, Then what happened to
all those swing states? But that's a whole no show.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And we're going to get into that soon, because that's
beginning to come out, and it's going to come out
with a vengeance. Here, my guess it's going to come
out with a vengeance, probably six to eight months prior
to the twenty twenty sixth election. And anyway, so you know,
you have and then he gets in office, and now
we see, you know, the industrial censorship complex just explode.
(04:22):
I was a result of that, right I got censored.
You know, you had government working in conjunction with social
media companies. Then you had the craziness of the DEI,
the ESG stuff, you I mean, just everything went bonkers.
And and even people within that political party were like,
wait a minute, this is not the old school Democratic
(04:45):
party that I support. They actually even became the Warhawks party,
which is bizarre to me.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
The crazy thing is all of those were conspiracies that
have now hardened into facts.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah. Well they start with like, oh, they're crazy people.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Online, just saying that they're just you know, making things
z up, all the right winging extremes, and then just slowly,
time after time, all the way up culminating. I believe
when Tolsy Gabbert just dropped on us, you just get
the evidence. It just eventually it comes out. And those
conspiracy theories are just early facts.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Well that's what I'm saying. And and and I think
that's ultimately what begins to provoke the idea of a
new party because within within the party system, you know,
they're they're basically loose coalitions within those within the system,
within the two main systems themselves, and then people become
disgruntled and and and begin to emerge that like what
(05:36):
we've seen. I you know, we just did a show recently.
I hope you all listened intentally to the Magas split
and what's taking place, primarily as a result of what
we're seeing with with Elon Mosk, the Doge cuts becoming
cert you know, solidified cuts and spending all this stuff,
and now you're seeing a disenfranchisement within those systems some
(05:58):
some of our foreign policy stuff lately. And that's what
takes place throughout history. Now, you know, the question has
always becomes, you know, can a third party emerge and
have success within this juggernaut system that we have. And
so today what I really wanted to do is just
(06:20):
kind of dig in, you know, in a in a
in a way that can give some context to the
historical nature of it. And then also, you know, within
the system, we have what are some you know, decent options.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
This will be a good episode because I need this
episode because admittedly I'm pessimistic. I'm one of those people
that goes, man, I would love another party. I see
the problems with the two party system. I get it.
I get the whole argument. I don't I haven't been
convinced yet that we can have a third party because
of the way, you know, the majority of votes, the
(06:55):
way we vote versus the way Europe votes, And I
just think that a third party is a just gonna
you know, coalesce into one of the two existing ones too,
you know, have that much super majority or whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I need it. You need to convince me. So I
need this. I need this episode.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well it's not only you, Jeordy, it's also you know,
you in your car right now, you know, and and
driving in and going yeah, what's going on? And I'm
getting tired of both things. You know, why aren't we
giving more government accountability? Why can't we see why can't
we prosecute the people within involved in Epstein? Why can't
we know? Uh, you know, the corruption that went on
(07:35):
with the Clinton Foundation. Why why are we not seeing
all this? And you know, I think a tremendous amount
of people, including myself and you listening right now, you
you feel something's off, and you know that's for a
multitude of reasons, but I think most most notably, uh,
we have more access to information now than we ever have,
(07:58):
and we've got a better way to an lies the
probability of whether or not things can work or not.
And so, you know, first before we get into you know,
you have to realize that nothing in the Constitution of
the United States precludes there from being just a two
party system. And there's nothing that says, oh no, it
only works with two parties. That's it. It just doesn't
(08:21):
exist now. Obviously through different Federal Election Commission FEC laws,
you know, different states have different processes to become eligible
to be on a ballot. Right. We saw that significantly
(08:43):
with Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who ultimately because the DNC
was suing him, was actually suing him led by Mark
Elias in his activities basically saying we're going to sue
you in to submission and not allow you to get
the enough signatures in order to be able to get
(09:04):
on the ballot. Now, what's crazy is in some places
those signatures are as low as a thousand signatures, right,
and then in some places like California, it's one hundred
thousand signatures. And then obviously what we've seen over and
over is that these major parties and they're you know,
they're there there the law fair that they're capable of waging.
(09:26):
You know, they're gonna do everything they can to prevent that, right.
They really believe that he was a threat. So what
he ended up doing he ran as an independent, you know,
you know, And the system has been known in a
couple of different ways. And one of the things that
it's it's uh first passed the post political system. That means,
you know, the person who ends up winning the majority
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of votes ends up collecting all of the electoral votes
for the state. Now, states by no measure are bound
to this type of structure. In fact, when you look
at Maine and Nebraska, they have the option to give
their electoral votes to to divide them up to give
them who they want, which is a very interesting idea
(10:13):
and something to consider. As I talk about on the
other end, of this whether or not this political the
American Party is going to gain any steam.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
One point one slight detail I just want to throw
in there for people who don't know about this, because
I didn't very recently. It doesn't have to be the majority.
It's whatever candidate has the most votes. Now that might
be over fifty percent, right, but it's just the first
one to get more than all the other people. Even
if that's that could be ten percent. You know, I mean,
if you had a bunch of.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
People that's right, that's right, and it's and that's a
that's a key indicator, and that's really you know, and
overseas that what they'll do is they'll they'll divvy up
seats based on percentages and highest and lows and but
not here, right, It's it's that goes back to that
first past the post political system. There's a brilliant guy
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at Hillsdale College. I'm forgetting what his name is right now.
Maybe we'll put a link. He's got a great little
video on YouTube that we'll post in the notes here
of this of this show that really kind of explains
the basics of this system. Now, you know, the idea is,
you know, are there what are the pros and cons
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versus this? Obviously, you know the pros are It really
drives incentive for the main system to be the main
party to work in kind of a coalition based framework,
which you know, the Democratic Party since really since the
nineteen fifties has been you know, a grand coalition of
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all these this and we saw it, you know, considerably recently.
We've got all these the progressive progressive wing, You've got
you know, all these different groups. You've got Blue Dog Democrats, Democrats,
You've got the Squad, You've got all these and they
and they break down like that within Congress as well, right,
you've got these caucuses that end up, you know, kind
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of you having to convince to get a majority vote
within the House or the Senate, you know, the Freedom
Caucus within the Republican Party or you know, like I said,
the Squad and the Democratic Party. So an example of that, well,
I you know, nothing has been quite formalized when in
either one in the House of the Senate as a
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particular MAGA movement, and I think, you know, the Freedom
Caucus is kind of the the the root cause you know,
you've got Eli Crane in that group, who you know
another team guy who's got some great interviews that he
did with with Sean on his show, which I highly
recommend you check those out if you're if you're listening.
And so you have this kind of caucus based, coalition
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based thing, and even in the Republican Party as you know,
you have you know, traditionalists in the party. You have
Tea Party O yeap, oh my god, you've got Tea
Party members. Yeah, yeah, that's great, you know, foreign people,
and I think it really kind of divides.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Proficial though, right.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, I mean I think the Tea Party tried it
at its hand to be you know, its own party.
You know, it's kind of an off offshoot of the
Libertarian Party in some capacity, but they you know, the
challenge is funding, right, and that's really where it becomes substantial,
because you're in these massive races against these juggernauts with
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you know, all these different.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know DNC dude, good luck.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well you look at like the grassroots aspect of what
Act Blue is able to accomplish, right, and you had
millions of these voters, Democratic voters from this wide variety
of this coalition that we're giving on a regular basis,
you know, five ten, fifteen, twenty dollars every month, and
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then it became this juggernaut. Now I will say, you know,
the to the great work of mister James O'Keefe and
oh my god, our OMG Media, his company. He did
this wonderful expose that really discovered that ActBlue had been compromised.
Rather than they actually no is wild, he actually showed
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up at these voters in rural Virginia, would show up
to these old people's house and say, you know, knock
on the door and say, excuse me, ma'am, I'm a journalist,
but have you donated to Act Blue? And they'd be like, oh, yeah, donated,
and you know, and he's like, well, it says here
that you donated one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars
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after over the last three and they're like, oh my goodness,
I'm on a fixed income. There's no way I could
have done that. God, oh god. It's the The corruption
in this thing is substantial, and what many people believe
is those donations were hidden and they were foreign donations
coming from China, coming from the Middle East, coming from
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all over the place. But that's another part of investigation
that we need to get to the bottom of as
well too. And the other cool radical thing about within
one of the coalition aspects, the BLM movement. Guess who
ran who ran and controlled BLM's funding and fundraising Act Blue.
So when you went to BLM and donated to BLM,
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that money went to Act Blue, which was the fundraising
juggernaut of the Democratic Party right anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So so being an NGO, dude, that's that's what we're missing.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
We need we need to get us an NGO.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, they're already in there. What are you talking about.
There's all these religious NGOs that we saw in the
last component right where you had one NGO, a Christian
based NGO in Texas. I forget where it was. They
went from annually getting about forty million dollars a year
forty forty five million dollars a year to two hundred
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and fifty million dollars a year and that was through
government funding. So what do you have You have essentially
them bringing in all these illegal aliens. Well, what is
part of the process of that, Well, you try and
get them identification so they can work. Well, then what
do you do. You take that identification, You go to
the local registrar, you know, and you register those people
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to vote based on their there are things A huge
thing just got busted down in Texas doing this, like
it was like twenty five people within the Democratic Party
that got busted for doing this. So you know, you
you have these systems. Obviously there's so much money taking place,
there's so much space for corruption. You know, that's I
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think that's another aspect of why you know, you're you're frustrated,
like I am, like I know, you know the people
that are listening are frustrated as well too, so you know,
you you know, one of the things that you know,
this concept called party sorting. So if one party has
a tendency to lean too far one the way or
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the other, you know, what you have is to break
down a coalition. Then people just you know, are like, well,
I'm not voting for that, I'm not being a part
of it, and then you lose that consensus. Well, one
of the things we've seen over the last eight years
or more than that, I would say probably we're going
in six, you know, fifteen, sixteen years now is this,
you know, the consolidated effort of the Democratic Party, like
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they vote lockstop, lockstep with each other and they don't
break those party lines, which has created this you know,
pretty divisive uh system. But I you know what, here's
the deal. It's always been divisive, like we have. I
think the American public gets to a certain place and
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it's like, oh no, no, politics used to be cool.
Like it was very you know, very very regimented and
all this and that's all bull like you know here,
like I just found this out, you know, based on
this last election cycle that you know, back in the
early nineteen hundreds, like senators didn't even run campaigns. They
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were appointed by the parties. Right, so like the RNC
or the DNC or you know whatever the bull moves
party of Theodore Roosevelt right in early nineteen hundred, like
they would appoint you know, if you won, you appointed
senators and they appointed who would get these these positions.
So so there's a lot of nuance about this that
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I think is is really creates a difficult hurdle to
overcome if you're a new party. But we'll get into that, right.
You know. The other aspect is the idea of the
direct primary. You know that really kind of ingrains the
idea of this two party system where you're going to
run against another person, you win the primary, you get
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the voters in your area, you know, in these these districts,
and you know you're good to go. You win the primary,
you move in, you're the favorite. Now that's the where
we have this other you know thing that becomes very
problematic for us as voters is the gerrymandering that takes place.
And this takes place with all different types, right, whether
it's a faulty consensus by integrating illegal uh residents of
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America who have no place, justifying the differences of of
of how many congressional seats of particular state gets right. Uh.
Then there's also within the states themselves, you know how
they rearrange in gerrymander districts. You know, bipartisan, right, I mean, yes,
they both do this. They both do this, right, it
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benefits them and and and you know it's obvious it
comes out that they have discussions about this thing. Well,
we'll give you we'll give you the west side of Boca,
or we'll give you this little piece over here of
Kassimi or you know of you know, and we're gonna
move this and and and and that's what you're doing.
You're you're you're you're rigging your area to make sure
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that you get enough voters so that you're never going
to get primary, right, You're never going to have some
candidate come in and overwhelm you who's from a different party.
And that's how this whole system works. You know, I think,
let me just let's just take a break from this
and let me just give a kind of a brief
summation of the history of parties in America, right, And
(20:33):
let me just give a kind of a brief summation
of the history of parties in America. Right. You know,
I think the first party system really originated. Everybody's familiar
with the wonderful Broadway play called Hamilton, right and the Federalists,
you know, And and what was interesting is you And
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this is the part that I think people need to
think about, if if they to think about third parties
emerging or whatever, is what are the core issues for Americans?
And what have been those core issues from the beginning?
And so what did the Fed? What did Hamilton and
his people what did they what were they supporting? They
supported strong central government, a national bank, right commerce, and
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ties with Britain. It was funded by the wealthy elites
and commercial interests. Right. I had early victories with President Adams, right,
but declined after the War of eighteen twelve. Then here
was an interesting one and many people don't realize this,
but the other party of the time was called what
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the Democratic Republicans. And this is essentially Jefferson and Madison, right,
We're the champions of this emerging party, and changed they
champion aggregariant. I can't ever say this, dude, agrarianism, right,
that states rights and strict constitutional interpretation. Right. So that's key,
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you know, to begin to I understand. So it's money,
states rights influence, right, foreign policy right, and this you know,
this really was the system, all right. So when did
the second party system emerge? And this was basically from
eighteen twenty four to the eighteen fifties, and you had
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the Democratic Party. Who was the big little trivia question
for you, Jordi, who was the first Who was the
first pipe hitterer in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Democratic non federalist.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Non federalists, not Democratic Republicans, but the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Dude, I'm gonna embarrass myself if I answer to this.
I got no clue.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Andrew Jackson oh dog right, right, who was a populist right,
pro states rights right. And it was all about this grassroots,
small donations, you know a large number of people and
they really really connected with with the people. And I
think you know also because he was a war hero,
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he was a badass. Was yeah, he was badass. When
you when you when you do the research on and
Andrew Jackson, you know nothing other than he was a badass. Right.
He grew the country bigger than anybody else, really powerful. Well,
you also had the Whig Party that emerged, right, and
these are the opponents of Andrew Jackson who were pro
federal investment people and infrastructure, and they were funded by
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the businessman right and the elites, William Henry Harrison. But
the party eventually was dismantled over you know, the concept
of slavery, the third party system. Eighteen fifties to the
eighteen nineties, you had the Republicans right, and we who's
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the most notorious Republican in history, Hey Blincoln, old honest
day Blanken right, anti slavery, pro business, high tariffs, you know,
kind of anti central banking, you know systems, but high
terraffs get other countries who want to deal with us
to pay their fair share and historic wins. That was
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the Industrial Revolution around that time, so we needed it, right, Yeah,
well it began right early kind of eighteen forties, eighteen fifties,
railroads started going big, transcontinental commerce, shipping grew, industrialization began.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
That's the only way we compete, could compete probably as
an emerging country.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's right, we need the tariffs, right, yeap, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why because the South was producing a tremendous amount of
goods that were going overseas, right, Sugar, tobacco, all the
stuff that was really you know, the the juggernaut of
the Southern States. Then you had the Democrats right right
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regionally with urban Southern support back to immigrant labor, rural
interests and fluctuation and power through the Gilded Age now
you know, post Civil War, the Republicans really dominated all
the way up and through that time, right through the reconstruction.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Era because they were anti slavery and they won right well.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They pretty much demolished the old school system, right and
they had you know, so much industrialization going in particular
beginning in the eighteen seventies, eighties and nineties that you know,
the South because it had been essentially decimated these farms.
I mean, they restructured and came back with a vengeance
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under those Jim Crow laws, and.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Their economy collapsed because their cost of labor just went
through the roof. If you can't see slavery obviously, and
so yeah, the North obviously would crush them because they
had all it was all industrial.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
That's right, all right, So within the twentieth century things
really began to shift, right, you know. I think what
was interesting for me was you had, you know, Teddy
Roosevelt really kind of excelled at turn of the century
based on kind of American might industrialization, but was another yeah,
(26:18):
but he had very progressive views and it was like, hey,
you know, let's get rid of child labor, let's uh,
women's suffrage was a big thing. But after he came out,
you know, he went back into politics and that's when
he started. And this was really, in my opinion, the
first of the thirty third party candidates, and this was
(26:38):
the Bull Moose Party right, which was the Progressive Party
of nineteen twelve. Because he lost the Republican nomination to
Howard taff Right, so he rose run as this third party.
So on women's suffrage, labor productions, direct democracy, regulation of corporations. Right,
he wanted to break up the monopolies. Well, what was
(27:02):
crazy is that he won twenty seven percent of the vote,
but he split the Republican vote. And that's where all
these third party concepts come in. You know, you have
so much pressure eight, Well, all you're going to do
is just split one side or the other, thereby losing
all your momentum. There's no way you're going to pull
from both parties. Right, So he ended up weighing losing.
(27:26):
And then who'd we get the great Woodrow Wilson who
gave us all kinds of wonderful, wonderful outcomes World War One,
the Federal Reserve Act and income text. God bless Woodrow Wilson, Right,
you son of a bitch. All right, So that was really,
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in my mind, the first one of modern politics that
began to emerge. You know, they pretty much dominated Democrats
dominated politics all the way through FDR World War One.
Then you had Truman come in Republican, and then right
after him Eisenhower, Kennedy LBJ, and then finally in the
(28:12):
late sixties Nixon. You know, but there were kind of
these this coalition that even gained strength. But even within
the Democratic Party there was some division. You had the
Dixie Kratz of nineteen forty eight led by Storm Thurman.
You know, you had within the American Independent Party led
(28:35):
by George Wallace, the governor of Alabama, who was opposed
to civil rights. You know what was crazy is that
he won thirteen point five of the popular vote in
forty six electoral votes. Now that's key to realize. Many
people never even talk about him winning that many votes, right,
(28:55):
because it's the electoral votes. What everybody always wants to
go is. You know, people want to go to the
most notable in modern history, which was Ross Perot, and
they want to be like, well, Ross Paro run as
an independent. You know, he gained a significant his nineteen
ninety two run. He peaked at nineteen percent in summer
(29:19):
polls in October, finished with nineteen percent of the popular vote.
But he guess what, how many electoral votes did Ross
Perot get?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
JORDI, Oh no, I'm gonna guess ten.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He got zero.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Nice, So if I was alive, I feel like I
would have I would.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Elect Ross Perot.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'll tell you what I did. I really did. I mean,
I thought he was sharp. He used to do these
really awesome like commercials where he would take graphs and
he'd explain everything.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I've seen his famous thing about him explaining all of that,
like the spending or the debt or the the reserve.
I mean, it was like he just put he just
he was super wealthy, right, and so he does a
billionaire times that's right, and he's like, here you go,
we're gonna do a college lecture real quick on how
this works.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's that's awesome. I wish people do that.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Well. People resonated with him, right, People were like, Yeah,
we're sick of the spending, We're sick of the bull
We're sick of all this that's going on, the war's
going on, We're sick of all this. And he was
able to strike a nerve right, and you know, he
was a populace, a centrist right, and he called it
the Reform Party basically, and it was an alternative to
(30:32):
the Democrat Republicans. And his main thing was he wanted
to balance federal budgets with defit reduction. He opposed to
corporate driven trade deals. Uh, he wanted campaign refined find
finance reform, excuse me, campaign finance reform, term limits for Congress,
which I think I know if you're listening, you want.
(30:55):
I want that, right, I mean right government accountability and transparency.
That would be nice, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Ross Pro twenty twenty eight, let's go exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He's got immigration controls, right, that's a big issue nowadays.
You know, in ninety six he ran again, but he
only received eight point four percent of the vote, not
as strong as ninety two. I think people really loved Clinton.
You had Jesse Ventura who actually ran right as a
(31:25):
reform candidate and won the Minnesota governor's race. Now that's
a key indicator right there, because states are the most vulnerable.
And I'll get into that in a second. Right. And
finally you had Pat Mucannon, John Hagelin. You had a
couple Green Party candidates in the past, but really the
(31:47):
last substantial one was on a presidential was Ross Pro
and Jesse Ventur as a governor. And then finally where
we're at today. On July fourth, Elon Musk announced that
the American Party Now, according to you, Gov, forty five
percent of Americans believe a third party is necessary, but
(32:07):
just eleven percent would consider joining. A Quinnipiac University poll,
forty nine percent Americans say they would consider joining a
third party, while only seventeen percent say they are interested
in the one created by Musk. CNN sixty three percent
Americans favorite third party just twenty five percent when Musk
(32:27):
is involved. I guess those centrists on the Democratic SORR
once he got behind Trump kind of kind of ended
that for him.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Well, this reflects kind of how I'm feeling of. This
sounds like a great idea in theory, right in theory,
I support this. I sounds like a great idea because
you know, people usually line up with most of maybe
but not all of people's opinions on each side of
the aisle. And wouldn't it be nice in theory to
(32:57):
have this third party that got everything I wanted? But
i'llo to have this other part of my brain's like
the angel and the devil on my shoulder. The Devil's like, yeah,
but how practical is it? How realistic is it? Well,
I'm going to tell you how realistic it is.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Actually, there's actually a gentleman that did an extensive study
on this and came up with something that is now
known as the DUIs Verge law and is a principle
in political science that explains the relationship between electoral systems
and the number of viable political parties in a given
(33:33):
political environment. Now, this is named after French political science
scientist Maurice DUIs Verge, who developed this concept in the
nineteen fifties. The law posits that certain electoral systems tend
to produce specific party systems and outcomes. Specifically, it suggests
(33:56):
that a single member district plurality rules electoral systems often
called first past the Posts tend to favor two party systems,
while proportional representation pr systems tend to encourage multi party systems. Now,
you can look this up on chat GPT or grock four,
(34:19):
whichever is your fancy, and this guy gives a real
deep dive on this. Now, there was one aspect I
want to talk about now is the psychological effect. So
the psychological effect refers to how voters and political actors
adapt their behavior based on the electoral incentives. Right in
the system that we have, voters often engage in strategic voting,
(34:44):
choosing not to vote for smaller parties. They prefer to
avoid quote wasting their vote and instead supporting one of
the two leading parties likely to win. For example, a
voter in the US who prefers the Green Party vote
for the Democratic candate to prevent to prevent a Republican victory. Now,
(35:05):
we saw that pretty extensively with Donald Trump, right, I mean, yes,
you know, anybody, but Trump was a major thing right
for for the last three cycles because they basically.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
On the flip side. I think, sorry, I think on
the flip side the libertaries. A lot of libertarian leading folks,
we're probably going to vote Republican for the same exact reason.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think we saw that you had major libertarians like
Scott Horton, Dave Smith.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You know, Oliver ran as a Republican, right.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, that's right, that's right, right, he runs as a Republican.
And you know, if you if you dig into his stuff,
which are some really amazing thing My favorite aspect of
him is is federal deficits and ending the FED. Love that,
no new wars, different focus on foreign policy. But again,
(35:59):
you know, the Liberty Party is not going to be
able to one get the the energy it needs via
funds and a concisess around the political system. Now, what's
interesting to me is, you know, when you see all that,
(36:20):
you go to yourself, well, all right, we're stuck in this.
And I know if you're you know, if you're like me,
and you see these and you get into it and
you start reading about it, you start becoming a little depressed.
A Right, we are entrenched in this system and we
can't break out of it. But again I go back
(36:41):
to the idea of why not. The fact is is,
you know, if you look at both parties and let's
just start, let's just start at two thousand and two,
a two thousand election, let's just start there and go
forward from there, and we've got, you know, twenty five
years to evaluate in our political system. And what we
(37:05):
have is we have both of those parties have done
substantial damage to the American system. Now, granted, hold on,
I'm gonna give a caveat My life is awesome, all right.
I do a podcast for a living, Right, I work
(37:28):
for a large asset management company. My kids go to
great schools. Right, got a sick bus cut, Yeah, I
got a sick buzz cut. Right. You know, dude, my
life is awesome. And I want you to know because
sometimes I worry that my audience, who I know are
are incredibly pro American as am I. I mean, I
I raised my riving hand, I volunteered to serve down range,
(37:50):
I served in many different facets. I am the guy
that you know screams Merca. You know, I was just
at of Zach Bryan Khan Shart in New York, right
at the MetLife Stadium, and you know, multiple times in
this concert the crowd broke up, broke out and us, Hey,
(38:14):
you say so, I'm there chanting. My kids are looking
at me like, jeez, what are you doing. I'm like, us, Hey,
you know, so I am. I bleed red, white and blue.
I am a diehard American. I love America. Right. However,
there are some pretty substantial things that have led me
to be forced to present these questions right, And I
(38:39):
think the big ones for me are some of our
foreign policy fiascos, the Iraq War in particular. Are are
the bailouts of two thousand and eight was astonishing to me.
I think the corruption that we've seen on both sides
of the isle. I think the Epstein thing is unbelievably
(39:04):
detracting towards both political parties because I think everybody was
involved in this government, both parties. Well, that's it, that's
the final one. I mean, how what what is the
level of catastrophe that my children are going to have
to suffer through and yours too, Right, Like, that's who's
(39:24):
going to bear the burden of thirty eight trillion dollars
in debt.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
It'll blow up at some point, it'll be it'll be
fine until it's not, and when it's not, it'll be
very not.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Well, I mean last time we went into a crisis
like this, we have thirty four million people out of jobs,
and during the Great Depression, this thing lingered for ten
years because of poor fiscal responsibility and these these programs,
you know.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
And I mean I think that that would make the
Great Depression look like a like a rainy day compared
to what would come.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Far if we have to default on our or people
stop using the US dollar, or there's or the other
route is hyperinflation, I mean, it would be like people
would be begging for the Great Depression at that point, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Thank you going to you know, your showing up and
you know all of your assets are gone. You know,
no bank has the money to pay your money, right,
nobody is holding like the FDIC is insured. Like, there's
no way if there's a bank run, there's a collapse.
You know, we saw a small collapse take place in
regional banks what just a few years ago?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Three around there.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
That's right, that's right, and and you know, so, you know,
with all of this going on and the madness of
the ping pong back and forth of the current political systems,
I actually would like to see what Elon Musk is
going to do now for you know, you know, my
(40:52):
little fun things I like to do at night when
I'm sitting at home. I asked, all right, groc how
would you run this political party? And what do you
need to do? Went through all the different FECs things
that he had to do, all this type of stuff,
the campaign financing, finding the right political person getting behind it,
(41:16):
the messaging of the party exactly and explicitly what they represent,
and then and then the campaign in order to do that,
and you know it, it seemed logical to me.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I mean, I mean, he could fund it, and he's
a marketing genius. He's got those he's got that going
for him.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
That's right, He controls you know, he's got you know,
he doesn't have two hundred billion dollars liquid, you know,
but he certainly can cash in ten billion dollars worth
of stock or wherever. He just posted something today that
he believes in the next ten years Tesla could have
a twenty five trillion dollar valuation once the robots come online,
(41:53):
once all this stuff comes online, self driving.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Car I think is right.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Oh, I do too, There's no doubt, so, you know,
And with his new Tea Mobile. I don't know if
you saw this earlier in the week, his new T
Mobile agreement. Essentially there's not a place on the planet
that you're going to have a dead spot.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh from Starling, that's right. So I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Stand by to watch T Mobile. If you want to invest,
I would invest in Tea Mobile and Tesla here soon
because that's what's going to take place. I'm actually thinking
about doing it. I do have love Verizon. They give
great deals. You know, we've got great family plans, but
you know, to be able to have coverage everywhere in
the world, you just can't beat that. So this is
(42:37):
a guy that is many people have repeatedly, and I'm
talking the most successful financial people in the world inventors
in the world tech people. You know, don't bet against Elon, No,
all right, don't bet. But if there's anything that's going
to unify the d n C and the RNC, it's
(42:58):
going to be a fight again a new emerging political
party now saying all that to say this, you know
what what we definitely need though, is we we we
need a greater sense that our politicians are not you know,
(43:22):
abusing their power, right, whether it's insider trading, whether it's
UH government agencies and they're spending I mean, what was
the funniest I mean, I think the funniest thing I
saw all week was just yesterday, Trump or whenever it
was Trump was went over to the new fed construction
(43:43):
and basically in front of Jerome Powell was like, you know,
a reporter asked, you know, Trump goes, what would you
do with one of your buildings if you win a
billion dollars over budget? And he goes, it's simple, I'd
fire him. And you know, Jerome Power, I've never seen
Jerome powers. He was just humiliate, sweating, sweating, right, And
(44:04):
when you see things like that, and I see things
like that, that's the thing that stirs the spark in you.
You're like enough already. What the hell? Why don't we
have term limits? Why don't we have better control of
our government spending? Why does the Pentagon fail an audit
every single year? Why can't we know if there's gold
(44:27):
at Fort Knox? Why can't you know? How does the
Federal Reserve have secret meetings where they establish the rates?
In fact, a group just filed an emergency a lawsuit
against them so that their meeting I think next Tuesday
will be public and we can actually watch their meetings
(44:47):
and how they set interest rates.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
And why I didn't know that wasn't already true?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
That's insane, Yeah, I mean, then think about the power
and influence of what the federal fronds rate is, the
interest rate of the United State. It is right that
that influences the entire planet. And that's planned in a
secret meeting that no one knows about with a few
people in it.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
That's right, that's crazy, yeah, And why why has the
Federal Reserve never been audited? So these are the things
that provoked This is the This is the stuff that
provokes a person who has the capability to know how,
knowledge and desire to begin to launch another party. It's
(45:29):
not new. It's been done multiple times before, the last
billionaire Ross Parrot, we saw Teddy Roosevelt, we go all
the way back. But what I'm trying to say is
that the American political system is ready for a little
bit of a shakeup, right to test the resolve of
the two main party system. Right, And I think that's
(45:51):
a good thing. Do I think it's going to be successful?
You know, I'm not going to hold my breath. Is
it possible for it to be successful? Well, anything's possible
in the American spirit, anything including revolutions, civil wars, world wars, protests,
you name it. Anything is possible when the American public
(46:15):
has had enough. So, you know, if if you really
want to get involved, like if you really believe that
enough is enough, what many political scientists believe is is
get involved in the system that exists. Right, Go volunteer
on a municipal level, get involved, Go run for city council,
(46:39):
run for city mayor do state elections. We'll go and
involved in political Get involved in the R and C
of the DNC in your state. Right, become an electoral person, right,
get it, get involved and and try and make the
changes internally because because of the duves A right, the
(47:01):
duives A law. This is the system that it appears
that we're stuck with. But with a guy like Elon
Musk behind it, who knows. But again, the politics is
in your hands again to reinforce. Nothing in the Constitution
prevents a third party, and the states really have the
overall ability to make huge changes in our political system.
(47:25):
So get off your butt, get involved, and get out there.
All right, Uh, you know, thank you so much. Yeah
that was pretty good. Huh, that was already good.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You know, you know, you at least you moved me
a little bit because you had to. You kind of
called my bluff a little bit. And I at least
have to ask, okay, why not even if I'm a
little concerned or you know, not super hopeful about a
third party, I I can't. I can't allow myself if
I'm an American, who which is a country that was
started in a way that's way less likely than having
(47:56):
a third party in the United States? Now that to
be successful, right, I mean, the American Revolution was the
most unlikely thing to be successful. Ever, if we can
pull that off, you can at least ask the question, well,
why couldn't there be right, So I'll at least be
open minded to it.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, I think we always have to. I think that's
our duty as an American is to ask why can't
we change the system?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
It's part of it's I think that's imbued with who
are It is so funny, man. When I was up
in New York, I took my children to the Metropolitan
Museum of Art. It's one of my favorite places on
the planet, absolutely love. And I went into Old American
Art and I and you know, it's going through all
the different hallways and I'm looking and I turn and
I see it and we walk out and there it is.
(48:42):
There's the giant painting of Washington crossing the Delaware. Right yeah.
And I'm sorry, I'm blank on the on the the
artist right now, but you know, I say, I go, kids,
come here, right here. This is the representation of who
you are. Right here. It's a bunch of farmers with
you know, pitchforks and beat up old rifles. And know
(49:06):
some guys didn't have shoes. They had you know, they
wrapped their feet in burlap. And they're crossing the icy
Delaware and they go kick kick the asses of a
bunch of mercenaries, right, and that was the change of
the entire thing. Had they lost that assault, it was over.
We'd still be British maybe or something else. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
If they allow themselves to think about, hey, is it
likely that we win?
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
They would never have crossed the Delaware That's right, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
And that's the thing I'm trying to teach my children,
and that's what I want you to learn too. That's
what i want you to remember inside of you, inside
every American is a person that has the capacity to
question the system and then not only question the system,
but once you realize the system isn't what it is,
to be able to stand up and make a change
(49:56):
in the system. It all comes down to whether or
not you have the the determination, the focus, the effort,
the obsession, and really the patriotic gusto to make that change.
So that's what I'm hoping, Jordi, and we'll keep paying
attention to this. I think twenty twenty six is going
to be wild. It's going to be an adventure unlike
(50:18):
anything we've seen before. But you know, God bless America. Yeah, amen, Amen,
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