November 21, 2022 • 53 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. To tweet or not to tweet? That
is the question for well a lot of people, former
President Trump among them. It was announced on was it Saturday?
I think it was Saturday that Elon Musk has officially
(00:23):
invited former President Trump back to Twitter, which just brings
back great memories for people like Clay me because I
remember waking up. I think at one point Trump retweeted
my account five times in a row, which was amazing
because I saw all these C list actors that I
kind of vaguely remember from the nineties being like whatever,
like you know, Buck sexy Man, Like you don't know anything,
(00:47):
You're an idiot. I was like, wait, why, why all
of a sudden, is you know, Henchman number three from
Blood Sport five telling me that I'm a bad person? Oh,
because Trump retweeted me. So that kind of stuff would happen.
It was always, and it would happen very early in
the morning. The first thing you'd be like, who did
I upset? Who did I anger about? He was Buck?
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I said this for a while. I had early morning
sports talk radio six to nine am Eastern so I'm
up at like five to thirty in the morning East
Coast for thirty in Central time here. You know, when
you hit your like Twitter feed people you follow, and
there's like nothing updating, you know, because everybody's gone to
bed for the most part. It would be like Trump
was the only person that early in the morning that
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would be posting new things, and and so we oftentimes
and a lot of times they had sports related connections.
We were reacting to it. He was setting the agenda.
He was up so early in the morning before most
of the media. He made Twitter something that was a
necessity if you were covering news and politics really globally,
but certainly in America, you had no choice, yes, but
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to at least have a familiarity with it. Because of
former President Trump. It was never the case, you know,
other politicians. You know, Obama was on Twitter, but it
was always very clear that other politicians use Twitter as
essentially a big email list for their public pronouncements, essentially
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their press releases in short form via Twitter. With Trump,
it was like you had attached a little microchip into
his brain, into his phone, and boom, the American people
got to have a direct connection to the candidate in
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and then the president for four years,
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which was remarkable. But so there are huge implications to
this and a lot of variables at play. For one thing,
we know that Trump has truth social I'm on Truth
plays on Truth, which is a nascent social media platform,
so it's growing. We've had Devin Nunas on before, who's
the CEO. But the whole point of truth really seemed one.
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It's free speech. Yes, that's true. And there are these
others as well. There's parlor, and there's get or there
are a number of them. The problem is there's probably
only going to end up being one, and everyone knows
alt when I say only being one. There may be
some need for those others in some capacity, but there's
gonna be one dominant platform and then some other platforms
that are more niche Friday, CBS News. This was hilarious.
(03:20):
Did you see this, Clay. They did give a sense
of how powerful the Twitter platform already is right now
in this business and in politics in America. They said
they were halting their posting on Twitter out of caution
because Elon Musk runs it now. Play clip two in
light of the uncertainty around Twitter, and out of an
abundance of caution, CBS News is pausing its activity on
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the social media site as it continues to monitor the platform,
pausing so they can monitor the platform. Good to heavens,
we've gotten word that the Trump is back. Who else?
A bunch of people have gotten their Platt project veritass
the babble on BP is back. A number of them
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are back now. And now this also comes at a
really interesting time for the social media platforms. And understand
that these this has been an area of enormous advantage
for Democrats that I think has very much affected elections.
So that's a part of this as well. So even
if you're not all because I know very few of
our people listening right now are really active on Twitter.
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I mean by percentages, maybe five percent of this audience roughly,
I'm guessing, but something like that. But it affects every
every website you read, every newspaper, every politician, they're all
battling and and you know, tweeting on a regular basis.
Facebook is a fraction of what it used to be
(04:43):
in terms of engagement utility, and this is why the
stop was stocked down eighty percent or something. Yea, spacebook's
gotten crushed. Yeah, some of it's for the metaverse stuff,
but it's just become unwieldy. YouTube is a left wing
collective that will not allow for free speech. It's owned
by Google, which is owned by Alphabet Take talk. I
just saw Senator Tom Cotton say over the weekend like
it's basically a Chinese spying operation. Get everybody you know
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off of TikTok. I want to dig into that a
little more. That seems I don't know, I want to
know more of the details. But this may be the
only major social media platform it existence Clay where there
is a true, free and fair exchange of ideas going on,
which makes it even more valuable and more central. What
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Elon Musk is doing right now is showing true gravery,
because first of all, he put up a poll to
allow people to vote on whether Trump should be reallowed
back on the platform, and I don't fifteen million people
ish voted in that poll, if I remember it correctly,
and fifty two percent voted yes, forty eight percent voted no.
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And what I think is significant about that voting buck
is remember forty eight percent of people were not saying no,
I don't want Donald Trump back on Twitter, or I
don't sorry, I don't want him back as president or something.
They were saying Donald Trump shouldn't be allowed to share
his opinions on Twitter. And this is just something that
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I fundamentally reject, and I think it's so important for
Elon Must to be standing on the principle of free
speech here. I'm not sure that Trump being back on Twitter,
if he decides to reclaim his account, is going to
be beneficial to him at all. In fact, I think
it might benefit Democrats, but it is beneficial. Can I
just wait? Can can we put a pause in what
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is beneficial? Just because they're actually some of them, some
of them are saying, Who's I don't know who Rachel
Bade is. Do you know Rachel Bade? I don't know that,
says Trump back on Twitter. This is clip three gift
for Democrats. Eighty three. I mean it keeps changing. A
million followers that have been restored on Twitter, on trus social,
which is his own, and he owns the platform. He's
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got a fraction of that, I mean, truths or whatever
they call it, and nobody hears it. That's exactly why
I think a lot of people expect him back on Twitter.
He loves the attention, right, and talk about a gift
to Democrats. I mean, I remember covering Paul Ryan when
Trump would tweet all the time from the White House
and we would chase Paul Ryan around the halls and
US Republicans comment on this controversial comment that Trump just made,
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and they would spend all their days trying to dodge
all these questions. But for Democrats it's great. They can
pull that up to their voters and say, look at
the Republican Party, we are the adults at the table.
So they're saying they want him on Twitter. Yeah, which
is why I think it's so fascinating. As a general principle,
I think as a as a country that decides who
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our leaders are, we should want the leaders to speak
as widely as they can, to share with us both
their personality and the principles on which they would stand.
So the idea that you can take, even when he's
the democratically elected president of the United States and just
ban him on Twitter is something that I reject out
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of hand. And I would say the same thing, which
most Democrats would not even if Trump had been a Democrat,
or even if the Democrats somewhere down the line end
up with a candidate who uses Twitter in a manner
similar to Trump, and that would not stun me, by
the way, if that ended up happening at some point
in the future, I just don't know. I kind of
agree with that commentator, buck I think Trump been Here's
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my big concern about Trump in twenty twenty four. The
election must be a referendum on Joe Biden's failures, particularly
if Joe Biden is the candidate himself, but even if
he is not, Democrats had control of the government and
they failed on basically all fronts. I mean, Trump doesn't
allow himself to be anything other than the story. And
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so I think if Trump wins, Bucket will be just
like what we saw in twenty sixteen, and just like
we saw in twenty twenty, all of us will be
up all night long and they'll be counting ballots on
fortunately in Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and everywhere else,
and we won't know who won this election till we
find out how one hundred thousand people's decisions. I think.
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I think if this turns on Biden's failures. We lose
full stop. If we went through this, they stink at everything, Clay,
the economy stinks, inflation highest and forty years, gas prices, high, crime,
out of control, wide open border, teaching kids who are
ten that they should, you know, cut off their private
parts because of the trans agenda agenda, Like, we went
through all of this, and what did people they went
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in they said, oh, I don't know, this Republican candidate
seems a little extreme to me, so I'm gonna vote.
You know, we went through this. I think the only
way that the failure of the Democrats thing works if
we go into a brutal recession starting in the middle
of next year. Some people say, we're already basically in
the early phases of that recession. We go into a
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brutal recession, then the party in power gets punished and
it doesn't even really matter. But if it's kind of
this status quo, yeah, or four one case down twenty
thirty percent, Yeah, inflations, you know, four or five percent,
they wanted to be one or two per You know,
if it's that, it's gotta be a vision man, right,
Like it's gotta be We're gonna do a better job
on the fire points. But what I'm saying is you
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sell they've failed, and here's what we're gonna do different.
I don't think Trump does that, And I would just
point out, even though we're super disappointed, we went from
the tally in twenty twenty showing Biden winning by seven
million votes to the tally on the midterms showing that
we won by around four million votes is the number
(10:36):
that I've seen most recently nationwide. Right, So that's an
eleven million vote swing in the direction of Republicans. Now
what's frustrating is it didn't translate to a landslide, red
wave tsunami. But I think for most people out there,
if you had told them the data was, hey, we're
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gonna get four million more votes. I think the challenge,
one of the big challenges in twenty twenty four is
going to be COVID made red redder and blue bluer.
So the number of places that are actually willing to shift,
like Florida is in the Camp four Republicans right like
and Republicans are gonna win it by maybe six seven
eight points. It's not gonna be remotely close. You know,
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Texas is in the Republican camp right right, This election
is going to come down to six states. We can
already tell you Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia.
Those six states, I think are the only ones that
are actually in play. Maybe you can toss in New
Hampshire if you have the right candidate, maybe you made
a seventh state in play up there. But by and large,
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this is a seventh state election. Who's the candidate that
can win in four out of those seven states? I
think that's a question Republicans have to ask themselves. And
as we all know, I mean, two months feels like
an eternity in a political election cycle. So two years,
who knows, who knows what's gonna happen? I mean a lot.
That's the other problem, A lot of words talking about
you say, for example, my whole premise about about Biden
(12:03):
running again is based on, you know, he's healthy enough,
meaning that you can kind of walk around and shuffle
and do it. If if he can do what he
currently does, he's running and he's going to be formidable
because of the way that Democrats have built a system.
But of course he's at an age where you know,
God forbid. But he's an age where real stuff, real
stuff happens. By the way, Trump also is at an
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age where his health. You know, look, I saw him Friday.
He's robust, he's fired up, he's read right, He's a
much better shaped than Biden. But I'm just saying, you know, look,
we're talking about a few years, a couple of years
out here, and and a lot can change. And I
just think that, you know, one of the great one
of the huge advantages the Democrats had is that the economy.
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Everyone I talked to says, who knows the economy? Right?
I dinner with a dinner with a friend last night
down here in Miami, who knows macroeconomic cycles and has
made a lot of money because he predicts them correctly.
And he's like, next year is going to be brutal
economic Yes, Now, if that had happened in summer fall
of twenty twenty two hundred different. So I just think
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there's all these you know, external externalities or these additional
factors that will come into it. Twitter, though, to get
us back to the very beginnings of this, it's tough
to know whether Twitter, whether Trump on Twitter overall helps
him helps the Republicans or helps the Democrats more on
a net basis, because it's a lot, a lot of
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a lot of ups and downs of it, right, I mean,
when they're gleeful, when Democrats are gleeful about the prospect
of constantly talking about Trump's tweets, that should be some
kind of a sign. But by the same token, without that,
they're able to set the net. This is the part
that I think we forget. Without that, they were able
to set the narrative a lot more going into this
election because they just have so many more artillery pieces,
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so to speak, on the battlefield of information warfare than
we do. So that you know, it's it's tough to
tough to gauge this. I think in a lot of ways.
I think it's it's going to be interesting. Let you
think he goes on now, well, since you like predictions,
I just think it's hard for him not to. I
think so too, right, if I think there's no way
he can avoid it. If you like attention and you
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knew that eighty five million people are going to react
to every single word that you put out there, I
just I think it's hard for him not The Evon
must put up a couple of funny memes of Trump
like trying to resist resist Twitter, and I just think
it's so And I saw even Donald Trump Junior retweeted
one of them. I just think it's so tantalizing to
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him that ultimately he won't be able to ask. I saw.
I saw Don Junior Friday as well, talking him for
a while, not even the least bit phased. I mean,
this is once, once you've been in that in that role,
once you've been a member of the Trump family for
the first administration, you're ready for the fight whatever. The
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Welcome back to play Travis at Buck Sexton Show. You
have a likely seen if you've been following some of
the news from of the weekend, the story of this
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horrific shooting in Colorado Springs at a nightclub and LGPTQ nightclub.
I believe five people were killed and immediately and this
is just what we see now in these incidents, instead
of even allowing for a day of just grieving as
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a nation for a horrific, violent event like this, and
a serious look at anything that could be done from
a security perspective, How could these things be likely averted
or minimize in the future, What is possible to do?
And sometimes those conversations can be very unsatisfying, in the
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sense that there is evil in this world, then there
will be people who choose to do evil, regardless of
what the laws may be, regardless of what law enforcement
programs are in place. Sometimes there's an idea to address it,
and sometimes there is. There is not much that comes
from it, but instead it immediately it immediately turns into
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a point scoring political exercise for many pundits, for many
people in the news, and it's gross. And the way
that they do this now is something called stochastic terrorism.
They'll call it so chastick just so you know, he'll
see this popping up and people who want to appear
smarter than they are and the media will throw this
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term around. So chastick comes from stochasticity, which is a
term from statistics, and it's effectively random probability distribution. So
if you look at at a Petri dish with bacteria
in it, where will they go first and how fast
will they grow? Mathematically you can't really tell. So you'll say, well,
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there's a random probability distribution at work. Now I'm not
a stats guy, but that's a very lay person view
of what stochasticity is. But when they say stochastic terrorism,
what they're talking about is using a form of emotional
blackmail against people. They'll say, well, this event that happened, Okay,
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the Nancy, let's take it away from the horrific event
of Colorado springs. Let's look at the Nancy Pelosi's husband
attack situation. People were saying that was, you know, whether
it was politicians, people in the media, that was stochastic terrorism,
because they say, well, what exactly was the inciting moment?
What connection is there to anybody on the mainstream right,
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or why did this happen in this way at this time. Well,
there's no actual connection to anybody in the Republican Party
or anybody that you know incited this specific act. And
so they say, well, it's just an environment. It's just
a general sensibility out there that you are responsible for.
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If you're a Republican, if you're a conservative, but that
this environment created this instance of schastic terrorism, it removes
any sense of causality. And it's just a means of saying,
clay your side, I'm going to hold your side responsible
for this, right, I'm going to hold your people responsible
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for this, and we have to see this for what
it is. I mean, when there are incidents. Here's a
perfect example, when a Bernie Sanders supporter named James Hodgkinson
takes a rifle and tries to mur shoot Steve Scalis,
tries to murder Senator Rampaul, tries to kill as many
Conservative members of Congress as possible. The stochastic terrorism narrative
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would be every Democrat, every Democrat is responsible for creating
that environment, encouraging that they should all be asked to
condemn it. If they don't condemn it enough, you have
to ask if they sympathize with it. That's what the
stochastic terrorism narrative is. Of course, that never applies to Democrats.
It only applies to any time it can be set
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at the feet of the right in some way. And
this is yet again over the weekend. You see this
somehow you know every conservative is responsible, in the eyes
of the left, through stochastic terrorism, for this horrific mass
shooting that occurs in Colorado Springs. There's no basis in rationality,
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reality and causality for this, but it's emotionally very effective
for people. Look, I think we need to all do regularly,
and this is what I would hope would happen in
twenty twenty four. Maybe it's too optimistic. We need like
a national probability and statistics expert, because I believe you
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were one of the first people I saw and then
saying this buck and then I went and looked into it,
and I said, this is fascinating. If we eliminated every
mass shooting as it is defined in America today, ninety
nine percent of murders would still be occurring in this country.
So the question that I have for everyone out there,
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and I think it's a really good one, And I
think this is an example of where the media is failing.
The media shows up every time there's a mass shooting
and covers it as if it is the overarching problem
that exists in America today. Everybody out there listening, which
is nobody got murdered, right, everybody is anti death when
it comes to people dying from violent means? All right,
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what makes more sense to constantly show up when there's
a mass shooting and pretend that it's representative of violence
in America or every weekend in Chicago or Philadelphia, or
Atlanta or New York City sometimes certainly Houston, many different
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big cities out there that have been seeing skyrocketing rates
of murder that almost entirely get ignored. What would be
a more accurate representation of covering violence in America and
the dangers to Americans? Would it be showing up at
a mass shooting site and arguing, oh, Republicans are responsible
for all of this, or recognizing that the reality is
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mass shootings, mass murders are occurring in all of our
cities every day and the number one way to reduce murders. Remember,
if we did away with every mass shooting in America,
nine of them would still be occurring. This is my issue,
Buck with It's so frustrating to me the way that
police misconduct gets covered. As if we eliminated I wish
we could every single issue of police misconduct in America.
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You know what would happened to the actual murder rate?
It would not even be noticeably different, right, because we
focused on these arbitrary and not representative outlier issues and
we miss the larger substance of it. Black Lives Matter
is a great example buck they all rush out in
the streets to protest. Really, Black Lives Matter needs the
parenthetical added to it. Black lives matter when white people
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are involved in any way with a black life ending.
But when a black life is taken by another black life,
which is ninety four percent or ninety three percent of
all black murders, gets almost no attention or coverage at all.
It's a failure of reality, a failure of truth in
favor of narrative. And that's what we see every single
time with these shootings. And there's also something that is
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really ugly, and I would even argue socially destabilizing about
the mainstreaming of a narrative, which is what is going
on on a regular basis. Now that if you don't,
for example, go Joe Biden, what does he talk about
right away? What is Joe Biden's first thing? As soon
as this attack happens, before we've even gotten into the
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motives or or the investigation, Biden says, while no motive
in this attack is yet clear. We know that the
LGBTQ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in
recent years, and also goes on to talk about a
banning assault rifles. Right, this is the conversation. But what
the left does, and what the Democrat Party does is
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convince itself, convince its supporters that the people who don't
want to go along with the politicized prescription in the
aftermath of this, that wouldn't have stopped this, that wouldn't
they're actually part of the evil here too. There's a
demonization of half the country that occurs very regularly in
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the aftermath of incidents like this, and it has to
fit a very specific narrative. A group that the left
identifies as one of its protected groups and that is
generally targeted. So a group that is that is often
victimized and hate crimes or through oppression, whatever the framework
may be for it. And then it's do what we
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say politically after this, or you're part of the problem. Right.
And this is deeply intellectually and I would also argue
morally disingenuous and wrong. And this is what ends up
This is what ends up happening Unfortunately, after every time
there's a an incident like this, Yeah, and we have
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to keep calling it out, unfortunately because it keeps happening
so much. We're scheduled war schedule talk with Warren Bobert.
Congress Homan. We'll see if we get her on Nancy
Grace schedule. Join us in the third hour we come back.
Buck used to coach high school soccer. I put up
a poll about how many people care about the World Cup,
which actually starts in fifteen minutes. What is going to
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happen over in Qatar, And there's actually a pretty incredible
thing that's already occurred, what Iranians were willing to do
to stand up to their country, the soccer players. We'll
talk about that in a moment, but first see this
study the other day. Fifty percent of testosterone level in
men has collapsed over the last fifty years. If you
wonder whether the Biden White House, the men there have
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the lowest levels of testosterone of any leadership we've ever seen,
I think the answers yes. There is zeroed out that
the Biden White House is the least testosterone filled white
house for the men, for the men in the history
of our country, and that certainly has not led to
them doing a good job at all, which is why
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I'd like to go ahead and send some testosterone to them.
I'd like for chalk to hook them up, give them
some energy, vitality, some vim, some vigor to be able
to get through their days. They can make a big difference.
He's Buck Sexton, He's Clay Travis. Together they're breathing sanity
into an insane world. We are joined now by Congressman
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Lauren Bobert from the great State of Colorado. Lauren, we
appreciate you making time for us. I want to start
with this question. MSNBC thought that you were going to
lose your reelection bid. You have one, you are going
to be part of the House majority, and when they
were bragging about you losing, they said that you should
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start an only fans account. I'm curious what you thought
about that. One. Two. Have you looked into whether you
could start an only fans account and like just post
holding like briefing books and stuff like that, because I
think you could probably raise millions of dollars that you
could donate to charity, and also you'd be ridiculing MSNBC
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in the process. But I'm just curious what you thought
about that entire storyline. Well, UM, my biggest strategy right
now with only fans is keeping my mother off of it.
So that's step one. And second, you know, it'd be
great to throw that back in their face and uh,
you know, raise something uh for um like say, say,
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um uh one of these groups um international um human
trafficking uh groups that actually help women stop human trafficking.
You know, uh, something like that would be fantastic. But
isn't it hilarious that liberals aren't even good at feminism.
This is something that they have created and they stuck
at it. So, um, this is just the irony of
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the left. Um. They are constantly attacking women who do
not agree with them. And luckily for me, my values
do not come from them. I'm not defined by what
they say. So I'm going to keep on moving forward
and I'm going to do so in the House majority.
Hey Lauren, it's buck. Thanks so much. Congresswoman Bobert. I
should say thank you so much for being with us.
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And I wonder what made the race. Uh now, it's
it's great that it's worth pointing out by the way
that you as more votes were counted after election day
were one of those rare Republicans who won more votes
and therefore won the election. So it is not because
people keep telling me, well, every time there's there's additional counting,
we lose. Usually that is the case. But in your case,
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it obviously was not how it ended up. Why was
it close in your district? And just for we have
a lot of people listening in Colorado, we're on Freedom
ninety three FM UM in Denver so ninety three seven.
So what exactly was it about your state and your
district that made it, you know, such a close one. Well,
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what made it close is there were no third party
candidates to still vote from the Democrat. And my first
election of a twenty twenty general election, I was up
against the Democrat running defining herself as an independent to
try to deceive voters. But there are several third party
candidates in that race as well that took thousands of
votes away from the Democrat, and so that race was
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able to be called right away because it was mathematically
impossible even if you used common corep for her to
come out victorious. And in this election, I was head
to head with my Democrat opponent with no third party candidates.
I won my twenty twenty election with fifty one percent
of the vote, and now I have won this twenty
twenty two election with fifty one percent of the vote.
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Our district is very mixed. We have a heavy amount
of unaffiliated voters, and unfortunately for me, all of the
local media outlets here in the district allowed my Democrat
opponent to define himself, and just as my twenty twenty
opponent to find herself as an independent, he was able
to define himself as a conservative. They were calling him
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a conservative businessman, a conservative Democrat when they would rarely
use the word Democrat, and he was running on Republican policies,
as many Democrats were throughout our nation. These are the
crises that they've created, and somehow they're going to campaign
on closing the border and slowing down the flow of
fentinel and reducing crime and lowering inflation and interest rates
when they are the cause of the problem. So I'm
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looking forward in the majority to actually working with these
Democrats who campaigned on these issues and bring them to
the table and say you broke it, you campaign to
fix it, Now let's actually do it. Because this is
what we want to do. But these local media outlets
here in the district, I mean, they would go they
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would go to great length to cover for my opponents,
to not expose corruption in his history, to expose these
liberal stances he took as an Aspensity council member. And
then they would blast me any chance that they got,
and lie about me and try to make the voters
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believe that I had not done anything for them in
the district, which is an absolute lie. So you have
all the media running cover for him. He's running on
Republican policies, saying that he is a conservative, and we
even had one of our biggest newspapers endorsed him. And
the reason they endorsed him, they said, was because they
didn't know him. No, that's just lazy congresswoman. You're getting blamed,
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as is often the case. I'm sure you saw AOC
come after you because of the shooting that happened in Colorado.
What do you think about AOC coming after you there
and accusing you of being to blame for the shooting?
You know, this is typical of the left. It's it's
very very disgusting. You see this with AOC, You see
this with Eric Swalwell. They never want to talk about
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the rhetoric that they're they have that causes so much
problem in our nation, and even the policies and the
votes that they take to cause destruction. But they're quick
to point the finger and pass on the blame. There's
one person responsible for what happened in Colorado Springs, and
that's the disgusting, horrible, evil shooter that did these things.
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Nobody is talking about the two heroes that stopped him,
that risked their lives to stop him. They're not talking
about enforcing laws that we already have on the books.
We have a red flag laws here in Colorado, and
the shooter had his own mother turned him in for
a bomb threat. Now this is someone that the red
flag laws should have prevented from possessing a firearm. But
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those laws failed, just as we said that they would
enforce the laws that are already on the books. Start
trying to stop trying to create all of these new
laws to stop things and actually get crime under control.
We've reduced We've got gone away with the death penalty
here in Colorado. We've removed qualified immunity away from our
police officers that prohibits them from doing the job that
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they swore to do. We have reduced so many different uh,
so many, so many different infractions. Um fentanyl. You used
to be a felony to have four grams of fintan al.
Now it's a misdemeanor. And so they're decriminalizing all of
this stuff and making making it easier and more incentivizing
for people to actually commit crimes. And I'll just end
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that on this. Uh you know, I'm hearing all of
these folks say, you know, well, is this a hate crime?
Your daughter? And right, it's a hate crime. Anytime someone
opens fire on innocent people that is hateful. It doesn't
matter what group it is pointed towards or taken out on.
That is hateful. That is evil and it needs to
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be punished. We're speaking a Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, who won
her race. Some days after election day it was finally
called in her favor. The media was saying that she
was basically out of it, but she managed to pull
it off, pull it off in Colorado, a rare win
for the for the GOP in Colorado in this cycle. Congresswoman,
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now that you're going to be in the majority, just
wanted to know what do you think is most important
to focus on? What's going to be top of the
agenda as you work with many of our Republican friends
in Congress, you know, Jim Jordan and all the rest
of them. What are you going to be getting done.
There's a whole lot of things that we want to do,
certainly investigations or at the top. You mentioned Jim Jordan,
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and I know that he's He and Jamie Cohmer are
going to bring folks in like Secretary my orchis there.
They're going to open investigations into the the Biden crime family,
and so much more. But we have to start getting
the reckless spending under control. We have to make people's
lives easier again and lower this inflation, lower the cost
(35:44):
of gas, lower the cost of groceries. It is so
difficult right now for families to just get by, and
it starts with reducing that reckless spending. In Washington, DC.
We now have the power of the pen, the power
of the purse, We have the gabble. We can do that.
And we have to get our domestic energy going again.
We get the exporting freedom all across the globe, and
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instead we have lost our energy independence, Biden he drained
our strategic oil reserves and the name of a midterm election.
And then of course we have to secure the border.
We have to secure the border and stop the flow
of sentinel and ultimately reduce the crimes in our states,
in our communities, and all across our nation right now.
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So these are just some of the top item. But
one thing that I think is really interesting is just
looking at leadership and having that conversation of what needs
to take place with leadership. One thing that I believe
needs to be done on day one is the Speaker
needs to declare that we have single subject legislation. That
is not something that you have to pass a law
(36:51):
to do. We don't have to pass that through the House,
through the Senate and wait for the President to sign
this and to law. The Speaker has control of the
House floor and what comes to the floor and can
enforce single subject legislation. So gone or the days of
three thousand page bills when a member of Congress only
have twenty two hours to read them, knowing that it's
going to spend a trillion dollars or more. And in
(37:13):
somewhere in the mix is this wonderful piece of legislation
for our veterans that you have to vote against because
you're not voting for something that you don't have time
to read. You don't want to pass it to find
out what's in it and further our nation's debt. So
we need single subject legislation on day one. Last question
for you, Congresswoman. We appreciate you making the time today.
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I'm sure that you have seen that CBS News after
two years, has suddenly been able to authenticate the Hunter
Biden laptop, which, as we said, anyone with a functional
brain has known since they saw the New York Post
story two years ago. What do you think's going to
happen with that investigation of Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's
connections to it, And what do you think of CBS
(37:58):
suddenly deciding after two years to finally tell their viewers, oh, yeah,
this is real. You know, it's just really sad that
this is where our media is. You know, if you
if you were to bring up Hunter Biden's laptop just
two days ago or a year ago, well then that
was Russia disinformation and you were crazy and you were
a conspiracy serist. And this is where the mainstream media
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has failed the citizens of this country. They continuously lie
to them, and they prop up all of this propaganda
rather than just allowing us to speak the truth and
look into things. I'm absolutely looking forward to the investigations.
I look forward to serving on the Oversight Committee where
we will be having these investigations, and I am going
to dig in deep. And if anyone else wants to
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know more about where I stand, what I'm fighting for,
what we're doing, or to join my team Lauren for
Freedom dot com, we saw how close this race got
and I'm going to need all the help that I
can to stay strong in these next two years to
effectively represent not only my constituents here in Colorado's third District,
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but really everyone across the nation who loves this country
as much as I do and wants to see the
Biden family exposed and held accountable for what we have
been lied to for all of these years and so
much more. Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, we appreciate the time, fantastic
as always, congratulations on the reelection, and good luck keeping
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the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We are joined
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now by Nancy Grace. She is the host of Crime
Stories with Nancy Grace the podcast and Nancy, Buck and
I were talking and we said we need to get
Nancy on to talk about this case because both he
and I are really kind of obsessed with what may
have happened in Idaho surrounding this murder story that is
(41:44):
basically leading newscasts everywhere for people who do not know
for murders, they cannot figure out who is responsible, just
off the University of Idaho's campus. What can you tell
us about this story and for people out there who
may not be following it, what details in general do
we at least have confirmed at this point. Hello, thank
(42:04):
you for inviting me. Yes, we just covered this on
Crime Stories on Fox Nation about an hour ago. The
very latest, Well, let me play catch up. Four young
students to age twenty two age twenty one were slaughtered
in off campus housing. When I say off campus, it's
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at the edge of campuses, right along fraternity row in
Idaho University of Idaho. Two were women, Three were women,
one with a boyfriend a man. They lived at a
home where five co eds lived there. The boyfriend just
happened to be over that night. Right now, police are stumped.
(42:46):
It looks as if all four were murdered in their sleep.
Now two may have woken up and began fighting back.
There are some defensive loans that by that I mean
cuts on the hands, the arm, the back of the
arm is possibly on the legs culling up in a
fetal position where you try to protect your throat, your face,
(43:08):
and your chest. No suspects. The parents of one or
two of the girls are complaining right now because they
believe police wasted time looking at one of the girls
as ex boyfriends. But I got news for everybody, right
or wrong. The first suspect, the first person's interest is
(43:30):
always the boyfriend slash lover or husband x romantic interest.
It always throw us there because statistically that's typically who
did it. Not in this case. In fact, police are
now considering that the killer of four people, remember he
could overpower four people at one of them, a man
(43:52):
could have been lying in wait in woods outside the home. Hey, Nancy,
you know I've been reading about this a lot, as
I know people across the country have. And two things
have stuck out to me so far about this case.
One that is that there's the description in the press
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reports of a lot of evidence, but we don't really
seem to We don't never get any specificity. I'm wondering
if you could shine a little more light on what
they obviously we know as a grizzly crime scene, but
what kind of evidence they would be looking for here,
because they say they have a lot of it so far,
but no leads. And then also that there was I mean,
(44:35):
this is and this is horrific, you know, additional reporting
that there was a dog that was a pet that
was skinned alive nearby, and some think that there may
be a connection. Wondering what you see in these two things.
Two first question, there is, as one light person a
civilian said, tons of evidence. What we name by that
(44:59):
is there's a lot of blood evidence. These four people
were stabbed dead with a knife that clearly has a hilt.
It's a fixed handle. In other words, it's not a
pocket knife. It's knife. It's not a switchblade. It's immovable,
the type with a hilt. For those that don't camp
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or have never been the military, a hilt is usually
that little perpendicular kind of like a handle on the knife.
We say that because the wounds apparently were so severe
that they believe it was a fixed knife. There's going
to be a lot of blood evidence. I have worked
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several multi victim homicide things, and it takes weeks to
separate whose blood is whose. And a contact murder like this,
there's gonna be fiber evidence where the killer actually touched
the victim with their shirts or their chest or their arm.
There will be hair evidence. There will be blood evidence,
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most likely because we have a multiple stabbing. Very often
the killer's hand slides down the knife and they end
up cutting themselves. There's gonna be fingerprints. Here's the problem
with all of that. That is a treasure trade of evans.
But you gotta have something to compare it too. Unless
the killer is in APHIS fingerprints or codis DNA data bank,
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there's nothing to compare it too. They may have to
use ancestral DNA like Golden State killer, like I think
was used in Delphi, although they haven't said it. Where
you trace back back back to somebody's great great great
great grandparents, you built a family tree until you trickle
down to the killer. That's the quote. Tons of evidence,
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that's their blood five or fingerprints DNA. But it's going
to take a time, a long time to sort this out.
Let me think your other question was regarding the dog.
At several days, more like three weeks before the murders,
a pet, a precious little Australian Shepherd mix many was
(47:13):
found skin head to tailtaber twenty one by his owners
was Jim Pan Colbert. They led him out into the
backyards Moscow, Idaho, a couple of miles down from this
murder scene, and he was murder skin and fileted. Yeah,
a pet dog. Much have been made of that because
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the purpose actually waiting outside got the dog did this
as a couple of miles away from the murder scene.
I'm not ready to connect it. Nancy. When you see
a knife used in a violent multi murder like this,
what does that tell you in your experience from a
profiling perspective, also where these people were maybe sleeping when
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the attack began. As you said, how does that differ
from someone using a gun? And obviously it's it's almost
unheard of to have a murder like this happening on
a college campus anywhere, and almost in Buck and Eye
were talking about it off air, it almost feels scream
like you know the movie where the killer is pretty
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much always using that sort of curved knife. What sort
of profile when you see these details, what sort of
alarm bells does it set off to you? I've heard
a lot of analogies to the screen movies. I have
not made that because I find it in very hurtful
to the victims' families to compare it to a movie.
But I see, I see what you're saying, and you're
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not the first that of course was a movie that
has from one of the true life inspiration. But as
what does it mean in the US, we don't have
as mean knifings as for instance, in Great Britain where
they don't really have guns here. If you analyze the
mind of a stabber, a knifer completely different from this
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psychology as somebody that at a distance shoots and I
mean three four feet ten feet twenty feet with a knife,
it is up close and personal. The person the victim
is fighting back. It's like hand to hand mutual combat.
I mean, think about it going into a young lady's
room while she's asleep in bed. This happened between three
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and four o'clock in the morning, and we're going to
find that out from the bodies, the degree of coagulation,
the rigor mortis, the liver mortis. But also there's extrinsic evidence,
such as one person's last phone call was two fifty
two am, so something is giving them that four am mark.
So they're saying three to four am. Maybe four am.
(49:49):
The neighbors heard something, maybe four am. Something else happened
to give them the three to four am timeline. Back
to the knifing aspect, imagine je in a young woman's
room in the middle of the night. She's asleep in bed,
or at least in bed because they all stayed out
late that night, came home. It starts standing her, what
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kind of a freak is that willing to go up
close and personal to kill And keep in mind, no
sex attack, no robbery, so what's the motive. That is
why police keep saying this was targeted to at least
one of the victims. They keep saying targeted, but I
(50:33):
say not all four, but at least one of the
victims was the target. Doesn't mean there's a close connection.
It's not like your husband or your your boyfriend. It
could be somebody that has been watching them, somebody that
delivers their pizza, somebody that thought the grocery store that
has been watching this, person that knows them in that sense.
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That is scary units leaving in droves. I've all believe
that's what. Sorry, I was going to ask you. Next
there is if you are a parent of a University
of Idaho student, a lot of these kids are home
right now for Thanksgiving, you would say, don't go back
to grab them by their ears and drag them all
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the way home to Bacon, Georgia. They would be at
home and away from that campus. Nancy, we know you're
gonna be following the Story club. It is obviously it
has a gripped the nation. We want to find out
what happened here. There needs to be justice for these families.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Everybody's the podcast. We know
she'll be covering it. Nancy, appreciate you being on the show,
and we hope you'll come back with update you and
(51:38):
I wish you well at Thanksgiving, and please keep these
families in mind as you gather around the table and
sell your prayer. We will thank you, Nancy, Amen for sure.
Uh back, we'll talk a little bit about this close
out the show. Um but but my goodness, it's awfully
awful tragedy for people in Idaho as they still continue
to grip and try to figure out what exactly happened there.
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. To tweet or not to tweet? That
is the question for well a lot of people, former
President Trump among them. It was announced on was it Saturday?
I think it was Saturday that Elon Musk has officially
(00:23):
invited former President Trump back to Twitter, which just brings
back great memories for people like Clay me because I
remember waking up. I think at one point Trump retweeted
my account five times in a row, which was amazing
because I saw all these C list actors that I
kind of vaguely remember from the nineties being like whatever,
like you know, Buck sexy Man, Like you don't know anything,
(00:47):
You're an idiot. I was like, wait, why, why all
of a sudden, is you know, Henchman number three from
Blood Sport five telling me that I'm a bad person? Oh,
because Trump retweeted me. So that kind of stuff would happen.
It was always, and it would happen very early in
the morning. The first thing you'd be like, who did
I upset? Who did I anger about? He was Buck?
(01:08):
I said this for a while. I had early morning
sports talk radio six to nine am Eastern so I'm
up at like five to thirty in the morning East
Coast for thirty in Central time here. You know, when
you hit your like Twitter feed people you follow, and
there's like nothing updating, you know, because everybody's gone to
bed for the most part. It would be like Trump
was the only person that early in the morning that
(01:30):
would be posting new things, and and so we oftentimes
and a lot of times they had sports related connections.
We were reacting to it. He was setting the agenda.
He was up so early in the morning before most
of the media. He made Twitter something that was a
necessity if you were covering news and politics really globally,
but certainly in America, you had no choice, yes, but
(01:51):
to at least have a familiarity with it. Because of
former President Trump. It was never the case, you know,
other politicians. You know, Obama was on Twitter, but it
was always very clear that other politicians use Twitter as
essentially a big email list for their public pronouncements, essentially
(02:12):
their press releases in short form via Twitter. With Trump,
it was like you had attached a little microchip into
his brain, into his phone, and boom, the American people
got to have a direct connection to the candidate in
twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and then the president for four years,
(02:33):
which was remarkable. But so there are huge implications to
this and a lot of variables at play. For one thing,
we know that Trump has truth social I'm on Truth
plays on Truth, which is a nascent social media platform,
so it's growing. We've had Devin Nunas on before, who's
the CEO. But the whole point of truth really seemed one.
(02:56):
It's free speech. Yes, that's true. And there are these
others as well. There's parlor, and there's get or there
are a number of them. The problem is there's probably
only going to end up being one, and everyone knows
alt when I say only being one. There may be
some need for those others in some capacity, but there's
gonna be one dominant platform and then some other platforms
that are more niche Friday, CBS News. This was hilarious.
(03:20):
Did you see this, Clay. They did give a sense
of how powerful the Twitter platform already is right now
in this business and in politics in America. They said
they were halting their posting on Twitter out of caution
because Elon Musk runs it now. Play clip two in
light of the uncertainty around Twitter, and out of an
abundance of caution, CBS News is pausing its activity on
(03:42):
the social media site as it continues to monitor the platform,
pausing so they can monitor the platform. Good to heavens,
we've gotten word that the Trump is back. Who else?
A bunch of people have gotten their Platt project veritass
the babble on BP is back. A number of them
(04:02):
are back now. And now this also comes at a
really interesting time for the social media platforms. And understand
that these this has been an area of enormous advantage
for Democrats that I think has very much affected elections.
So that's a part of this as well. So even
if you're not all because I know very few of
our people listening right now are really active on Twitter.
(04:22):
I mean by percentages, maybe five percent of this audience roughly,
I'm guessing, but something like that. But it affects every
every website you read, every newspaper, every politician, they're all
battling and and you know, tweeting on a regular basis.
Facebook is a fraction of what it used to be
(04:43):
in terms of engagement utility, and this is why the
stop was stocked down eighty percent or something. Yea, spacebook's
gotten crushed. Yeah, some of it's for the metaverse stuff,
but it's just become unwieldy. YouTube is a left wing
collective that will not allow for free speech. It's owned
by Google, which is owned by Alphabet Take talk. I
just saw Senator Tom Cotton say over the weekend like
it's basically a Chinese spying operation. Get everybody you know
(05:05):
off of TikTok. I want to dig into that a
little more. That seems I don't know, I want to
know more of the details. But this may be the
only major social media platform it existence Clay where there
is a true, free and fair exchange of ideas going on,
which makes it even more valuable and more central. What
(05:26):
Elon Musk is doing right now is showing true gravery,
because first of all, he put up a poll to
allow people to vote on whether Trump should be reallowed
back on the platform, and I don't fifteen million people
ish voted in that poll, if I remember it correctly,
and fifty two percent voted yes, forty eight percent voted no.
(05:49):
And what I think is significant about that voting buck
is remember forty eight percent of people were not saying no,
I don't want Donald Trump back on Twitter, or I
don't sorry, I don't want him back as president or something.
They were saying Donald Trump shouldn't be allowed to share
his opinions on Twitter. And this is just something that
(06:11):
I fundamentally reject, and I think it's so important for
Elon Must to be standing on the principle of free
speech here. I'm not sure that Trump being back on Twitter,
if he decides to reclaim his account, is going to
be beneficial to him at all. In fact, I think
it might benefit Democrats, but it is beneficial. Can I
just wait? Can can we put a pause in what
(06:32):
is beneficial? Just because they're actually some of them, some
of them are saying, Who's I don't know who Rachel
Bade is. Do you know Rachel Bade? I don't know that,
says Trump back on Twitter. This is clip three gift
for Democrats. Eighty three. I mean it keeps changing. A
million followers that have been restored on Twitter, on trus social,
which is his own, and he owns the platform. He's
(06:55):
got a fraction of that, I mean, truths or whatever
they call it, and nobody hears it. That's exactly why
I think a lot of people expect him back on Twitter.
He loves the attention, right, and talk about a gift
to Democrats. I mean, I remember covering Paul Ryan when
Trump would tweet all the time from the White House
and we would chase Paul Ryan around the halls and
US Republicans comment on this controversial comment that Trump just made,
(07:16):
and they would spend all their days trying to dodge
all these questions. But for Democrats it's great. They can
pull that up to their voters and say, look at
the Republican Party, we are the adults at the table.
So they're saying they want him on Twitter. Yeah, which
is why I think it's so fascinating. As a general principle,
I think as a as a country that decides who
(07:38):
our leaders are, we should want the leaders to speak
as widely as they can, to share with us both
their personality and the principles on which they would stand.
So the idea that you can take, even when he's
the democratically elected president of the United States and just
ban him on Twitter is something that I reject out
(07:59):
of hand. And I would say the same thing, which
most Democrats would not even if Trump had been a Democrat,
or even if the Democrats somewhere down the line end
up with a candidate who uses Twitter in a manner
similar to Trump, and that would not stun me, by
the way, if that ended up happening at some point
in the future, I just don't know. I kind of
agree with that commentator, buck I think Trump been Here's
(08:22):
my big concern about Trump in twenty twenty four. The
election must be a referendum on Joe Biden's failures, particularly
if Joe Biden is the candidate himself, but even if
he is not, Democrats had control of the government and
they failed on basically all fronts. I mean, Trump doesn't
allow himself to be anything other than the story. And
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so I think if Trump wins, Bucket will be just
like what we saw in twenty sixteen, and just like
we saw in twenty twenty, all of us will be
up all night long and they'll be counting ballots on
fortunately in Nevada and Arizona and Georgia and everywhere else,
and we won't know who won this election till we
find out how one hundred thousand people's decisions. I think.
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I think if this turns on Biden's failures. We lose
full stop. If we went through this, they stink at everything, Clay,
the economy stinks, inflation highest and forty years, gas prices, high, crime,
out of control, wide open border, teaching kids who are
ten that they should, you know, cut off their private
parts because of the trans agenda agenda, Like, we went
through all of this, and what did people they went
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in they said, oh, I don't know, this Republican candidate
seems a little extreme to me, so I'm gonna vote.
You know, we went through this. I think the only
way that the failure of the Democrats thing works if
we go into a brutal recession starting in the middle
of next year. Some people say, we're already basically in
the early phases of that recession. We go into a
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brutal recession, then the party in power gets punished and
it doesn't even really matter. But if it's kind of
this status quo, yeah, or four one case down twenty
thirty percent, Yeah, inflations, you know, four or five percent,
they wanted to be one or two per You know,
if it's that, it's gotta be a vision man, right,
Like it's gotta be We're gonna do a better job
on the fire points. But what I'm saying is you
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sell they've failed, and here's what we're gonna do different.
I don't think Trump does that, And I would just
point out, even though we're super disappointed, we went from
the tally in twenty twenty showing Biden winning by seven
million votes to the tally on the midterms showing that
we won by around four million votes is the number
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that I've seen most recently nationwide. Right, So that's an
eleven million vote swing in the direction of Republicans. Now
what's frustrating is it didn't translate to a landslide, red
wave tsunami. But I think for most people out there,
if you had told them the data was, hey, we're
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gonna get four million more votes. I think the challenge,
one of the big challenges in twenty twenty four is
going to be COVID made red redder and blue bluer.
So the number of places that are actually willing to shift,
like Florida is in the Camp four Republicans right like
and Republicans are gonna win it by maybe six seven
eight points. It's not gonna be remotely close. You know,
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Texas is in the Republican camp right right, This election
is going to come down to six states. We can
already tell you Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia.
Those six states, I think are the only ones that
are actually in play. Maybe you can toss in New
Hampshire if you have the right candidate, maybe you made
a seventh state in play up there. But by and large,
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this is a seventh state election. Who's the candidate that
can win in four out of those seven states? I
think that's a question Republicans have to ask themselves. And
as we all know, I mean, two months feels like
an eternity in a political election cycle. So two years,
who knows, who knows what's gonna happen? I mean a lot.
That's the other problem, A lot of words talking about
you say, for example, my whole premise about about Biden
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running again is based on, you know, he's healthy enough,
meaning that you can kind of walk around and shuffle
and do it. If if he can do what he
currently does, he's running and he's going to be formidable
because of the way that Democrats have built a system.
But of course he's at an age where you know,
God forbid. But he's an age where real stuff, real
stuff happens. By the way, Trump also is at an
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age where his health. You know, look, I saw him Friday.
He's robust, he's fired up, he's read right, He's a
much better shaped than Biden. But I'm just saying, you know, look,
we're talking about a few years, a couple of years
out here, and and a lot can change. And I
just think that, you know, one of the great one
of the huge advantages the Democrats had is that the economy.
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Everyone I talked to says, who knows the economy? Right?
I dinner with a dinner with a friend last night
down here in Miami, who knows macroeconomic cycles and has
made a lot of money because he predicts them correctly.
And he's like, next year is going to be brutal
economic Yes, Now, if that had happened in summer fall
of twenty twenty two hundred different. So I just think
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there's all these you know, external externalities or these additional
factors that will come into it. Twitter, though, to get
us back to the very beginnings of this, it's tough
to know whether Twitter, whether Trump on Twitter overall helps
him helps the Republicans or helps the Democrats more on
a net basis, because it's a lot, a lot of
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a lot of ups and downs of it, right, I mean,
when they're gleeful, when Democrats are gleeful about the prospect
of constantly talking about Trump's tweets, that should be some
kind of a sign. But by the same token, without that,
they're able to set the net. This is the part
that I think we forget. Without that, they were able
to set the narrative a lot more going into this
election because they just have so many more artillery pieces,
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so to speak, on the battlefield of information warfare than
we do. So that you know, it's it's tough to
tough to gauge this. I think in a lot of ways.
I think it's it's going to be interesting. Let you
think he goes on now, well, since you like predictions,
I just think it's hard for him not to. I
think so too, right, if I think there's no way
he can avoid it. If you like attention and you
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knew that eighty five million people are going to react
to every single word that you put out there, I
just I think it's hard for him not The Evon
must put up a couple of funny memes of Trump
like trying to resist resist Twitter, and I just think
it's so And I saw even Donald Trump Junior retweeted
one of them. I just think it's so tantalizing to
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him that ultimately he won't be able to ask. I saw.
I saw Don Junior Friday as well, talking him for
a while, not even the least bit phased. I mean,
this is once, once you've been in that in that role,
once you've been a member of the Trump family for
the first administration, you're ready for the fight whatever. The
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Welcome back to play Travis at Buck Sexton Show. You
have a likely seen if you've been following some of
the news from of the weekend, the story of this
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horrific shooting in Colorado Springs at a nightclub and LGPTQ nightclub.
I believe five people were killed and immediately and this
is just what we see now in these incidents, instead
of even allowing for a day of just grieving as
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a nation for a horrific, violent event like this, and
a serious look at anything that could be done from
a security perspective, How could these things be likely averted
or minimize in the future, What is possible to do?
And sometimes those conversations can be very unsatisfying, in the
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sense that there is evil in this world, then there
will be people who choose to do evil, regardless of
what the laws may be, regardless of what law enforcement
programs are in place. Sometimes there's an idea to address it,
and sometimes there is. There is not much that comes
from it, but instead it immediately it immediately turns into
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a point scoring political exercise for many pundits, for many
people in the news, and it's gross. And the way
that they do this now is something called stochastic terrorism.
They'll call it so chastick just so you know, he'll
see this popping up and people who want to appear
smarter than they are and the media will throw this
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term around. So chastick comes from stochasticity, which is a
term from statistics, and it's effectively random probability distribution. So
if you look at at a Petri dish with bacteria
in it, where will they go first and how fast
will they grow? Mathematically you can't really tell. So you'll say, well,
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there's a random probability distribution at work. Now I'm not
a stats guy, but that's a very lay person view
of what stochasticity is. But when they say stochastic terrorism,
what they're talking about is using a form of emotional
blackmail against people. They'll say, well, this event that happened, Okay,
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the Nancy, let's take it away from the horrific event
of Colorado springs. Let's look at the Nancy Pelosi's husband
attack situation. People were saying that was, you know, whether
it was politicians, people in the media, that was stochastic terrorism,
because they say, well, what exactly was the inciting moment?
What connection is there to anybody on the mainstream right,
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or why did this happen in this way at this time. Well,
there's no actual connection to anybody in the Republican Party
or anybody that you know incited this specific act. And
so they say, well, it's just an environment. It's just
a general sensibility out there that you are responsible for.
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If you're a Republican, if you're a conservative, but that
this environment created this instance of schastic terrorism, it removes
any sense of causality. And it's just a means of saying,
clay your side, I'm going to hold your side responsible
for this, right, I'm going to hold your people responsible
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for this, and we have to see this for what
it is. I mean, when there are incidents. Here's a
perfect example, when a Bernie Sanders supporter named James Hodgkinson
takes a rifle and tries to mur shoot Steve Scalis,
tries to murder Senator Rampaul, tries to kill as many
Conservative members of Congress as possible. The stochastic terrorism narrative
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would be every Democrat, every Democrat is responsible for creating
that environment, encouraging that they should all be asked to
condemn it. If they don't condemn it enough, you have
to ask if they sympathize with it. That's what the
stochastic terrorism narrative is. Of course, that never applies to Democrats.
It only applies to any time it can be set
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at the feet of the right in some way. And
this is yet again over the weekend. You see this
somehow you know every conservative is responsible, in the eyes
of the left, through stochastic terrorism, for this horrific mass
shooting that occurs in Colorado Springs. There's no basis in rationality,
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reality and causality for this, but it's emotionally very effective
for people. Look, I think we need to all do regularly,
and this is what I would hope would happen in
twenty twenty four. Maybe it's too optimistic. We need like
a national probability and statistics expert, because I believe you
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were one of the first people I saw and then
saying this buck and then I went and looked into it,
and I said, this is fascinating. If we eliminated every
mass shooting as it is defined in America today, ninety
nine percent of murders would still be occurring in this country.
So the question that I have for everyone out there,
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and I think it's a really good one, And I
think this is an example of where the media is failing.
The media shows up every time there's a mass shooting
and covers it as if it is the overarching problem
that exists in America today. Everybody out there listening, which
is nobody got murdered, right, everybody is anti death when
it comes to people dying from violent means? All right,
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what makes more sense to constantly show up when there's
a mass shooting and pretend that it's representative of violence
in America or every weekend in Chicago or Philadelphia, or
Atlanta or New York City sometimes certainly Houston, many different
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big cities out there that have been seeing skyrocketing rates
of murder that almost entirely get ignored. What would be
a more accurate representation of covering violence in America and
the dangers to Americans? Would it be showing up at
a mass shooting site and arguing, oh, Republicans are responsible
for all of this, or recognizing that the reality is
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mass shootings, mass murders are occurring in all of our
cities every day and the number one way to reduce murders. Remember,
if we did away with every mass shooting in America,
nine of them would still be occurring. This is my issue,
Buck with It's so frustrating to me the way that
police misconduct gets covered. As if we eliminated I wish
we could every single issue of police misconduct in America.
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You know what would happened to the actual murder rate?
It would not even be noticeably different, right, because we
focused on these arbitrary and not representative outlier issues and
we miss the larger substance of it. Black Lives Matter
is a great example buck they all rush out in
the streets to protest. Really, Black Lives Matter needs the
parenthetical added to it. Black lives matter when white people
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are involved in any way with a black life ending.
But when a black life is taken by another black life,
which is ninety four percent or ninety three percent of
all black murders, gets almost no attention or coverage at all.
It's a failure of reality, a failure of truth in
favor of narrative. And that's what we see every single
time with these shootings. And there's also something that is
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really ugly, and I would even argue socially destabilizing about
the mainstreaming of a narrative, which is what is going
on on a regular basis. Now that if you don't,
for example, go Joe Biden, what does he talk about
right away? What is Joe Biden's first thing? As soon
as this attack happens, before we've even gotten into the
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motives or or the investigation, Biden says, while no motive
in this attack is yet clear. We know that the
LGBTQ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in
recent years, and also goes on to talk about a
banning assault rifles. Right, this is the conversation. But what
the left does, and what the Democrat Party does is
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convince itself, convince its supporters that the people who don't
want to go along with the politicized prescription in the
aftermath of this, that wouldn't have stopped this, that wouldn't
they're actually part of the evil here too. There's a
demonization of half the country that occurs very regularly in
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the aftermath of incidents like this, and it has to
fit a very specific narrative. A group that the left
identifies as one of its protected groups and that is
generally targeted. So a group that is that is often
victimized and hate crimes or through oppression, whatever the framework
may be for it. And then it's do what we
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say politically after this, or you're part of the problem. Right.
And this is deeply intellectually and I would also argue
morally disingenuous and wrong. And this is what ends up
This is what ends up happening Unfortunately, after every time
there's a an incident like this, Yeah, and we have
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to keep calling it out, unfortunately because it keeps happening
so much. We're scheduled war schedule talk with Warren Bobert.
Congress Homan. We'll see if we get her on Nancy
Grace schedule. Join us in the third hour we come back.
Buck used to coach high school soccer. I put up
a poll about how many people care about the World Cup,
which actually starts in fifteen minutes. What is going to
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happen over in Qatar, And there's actually a pretty incredible
thing that's already occurred, what Iranians were willing to do
to stand up to their country, the soccer players. We'll
talk about that in a moment, but first see this
study the other day. Fifty percent of testosterone level in
men has collapsed over the last fifty years. If you
wonder whether the Biden White House, the men there have
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the lowest levels of testosterone of any leadership we've ever seen,
I think the answers yes. There is zeroed out that
the Biden White House is the least testosterone filled white
house for the men, for the men in the history
of our country, and that certainly has not led to
them doing a good job at all, which is why
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I'd like to go ahead and send some testosterone to them.
I'd like for chalk to hook them up, give them
some energy, vitality, some vim, some vigor to be able
to get through their days. They can make a big difference.
He's Buck Sexton, He's Clay Travis. Together they're breathing sanity
into an insane world. We are joined now by Congressman
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Lauren Bobert from the great State of Colorado. Lauren, we
appreciate you making time for us. I want to start
with this question. MSNBC thought that you were going to
lose your reelection bid. You have one, you are going
to be part of the House majority, and when they
were bragging about you losing, they said that you should
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start an only fans account. I'm curious what you thought
about that. One. Two. Have you looked into whether you
could start an only fans account and like just post
holding like briefing books and stuff like that, because I
think you could probably raise millions of dollars that you
could donate to charity, and also you'd be ridiculing MSNBC
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in the process. But I'm just curious what you thought
about that entire storyline. Well, UM, my biggest strategy right
now with only fans is keeping my mother off of it.
So that's step one. And second, you know, it'd be
great to throw that back in their face and uh,
you know, raise something uh for um like say, say,
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um uh one of these groups um international um human
trafficking uh groups that actually help women stop human trafficking.
You know, uh, something like that would be fantastic. But
isn't it hilarious that liberals aren't even good at feminism.
This is something that they have created and they stuck
at it. So, um, this is just the irony of
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the left. Um. They are constantly attacking women who do
not agree with them. And luckily for me, my values
do not come from them. I'm not defined by what
they say. So I'm going to keep on moving forward
and I'm going to do so in the House majority.
Hey Lauren, it's buck. Thanks so much. Congresswoman Bobert. I
should say thank you so much for being with us.
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And I wonder what made the race. Uh now, it's
it's great that it's worth pointing out by the way
that you as more votes were counted after election day
were one of those rare Republicans who won more votes
and therefore won the election. So it is not because
people keep telling me, well, every time there's there's additional counting,
we lose. Usually that is the case. But in your case,
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it obviously was not how it ended up. Why was
it close in your district? And just for we have
a lot of people listening in Colorado, we're on Freedom
ninety three FM UM in Denver so ninety three seven.
So what exactly was it about your state and your
district that made it, you know, such a close one. Well,
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what made it close is there were no third party
candidates to still vote from the Democrat. And my first
election of a twenty twenty general election, I was up
against the Democrat running defining herself as an independent to
try to deceive voters. But there are several third party
candidates in that race as well that took thousands of
votes away from the Democrat, and so that race was
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able to be called right away because it was mathematically
impossible even if you used common corep for her to
come out victorious. And in this election, I was head
to head with my Democrat opponent with no third party candidates.
I won my twenty twenty election with fifty one percent
of the vote, and now I have won this twenty
twenty two election with fifty one percent of the vote.
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Our district is very mixed. We have a heavy amount
of unaffiliated voters, and unfortunately for me, all of the
local media outlets here in the district allowed my Democrat
opponent to define himself, and just as my twenty twenty
opponent to find herself as an independent, he was able
to define himself as a conservative. They were calling him
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a conservative businessman, a conservative Democrat when they would rarely
use the word Democrat, and he was running on Republican policies,
as many Democrats were throughout our nation. These are the
crises that they've created, and somehow they're going to campaign
on closing the border and slowing down the flow of
fentinel and reducing crime and lowering inflation and interest rates
when they are the cause of the problem. So I'm
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looking forward in the majority to actually working with these
Democrats who campaigned on these issues and bring them to
the table and say you broke it, you campaign to
fix it, Now let's actually do it. Because this is
what we want to do. But these local media outlets
here in the district, I mean, they would go they
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would go to great length to cover for my opponents,
to not expose corruption in his history, to expose these
liberal stances he took as an Aspensity council member. And
then they would blast me any chance that they got,
and lie about me and try to make the voters
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believe that I had not done anything for them in
the district, which is an absolute lie. So you have
all the media running cover for him. He's running on
Republican policies, saying that he is a conservative, and we
even had one of our biggest newspapers endorsed him. And
the reason they endorsed him, they said, was because they
didn't know him. No, that's just lazy congresswoman. You're getting blamed,
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as is often the case. I'm sure you saw AOC
come after you because of the shooting that happened in Colorado.
What do you think about AOC coming after you there
and accusing you of being to blame for the shooting?
You know, this is typical of the left. It's it's
very very disgusting. You see this with AOC, You see
this with Eric Swalwell. They never want to talk about
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the rhetoric that they're they have that causes so much
problem in our nation, and even the policies and the
votes that they take to cause destruction. But they're quick
to point the finger and pass on the blame. There's
one person responsible for what happened in Colorado Springs, and
that's the disgusting, horrible, evil shooter that did these things.
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Nobody is talking about the two heroes that stopped him,
that risked their lives to stop him. They're not talking
about enforcing laws that we already have on the books.
We have a red flag laws here in Colorado, and
the shooter had his own mother turned him in for
a bomb threat. Now this is someone that the red
flag laws should have prevented from possessing a firearm. But
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those laws failed, just as we said that they would
enforce the laws that are already on the books. Start
trying to stop trying to create all of these new
laws to stop things and actually get crime under control.
We've reduced We've got gone away with the death penalty
here in Colorado. We've removed qualified immunity away from our
police officers that prohibits them from doing the job that
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they swore to do. We have reduced so many different uh,
so many, so many different infractions. Um fentanyl. You used
to be a felony to have four grams of fintan al.
Now it's a misdemeanor. And so they're decriminalizing all of
this stuff and making making it easier and more incentivizing
for people to actually commit crimes. And I'll just end
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that on this. Uh you know, I'm hearing all of
these folks say, you know, well, is this a hate crime?
Your daughter? And right, it's a hate crime. Anytime someone
opens fire on innocent people that is hateful. It doesn't
matter what group it is pointed towards or taken out on.
That is hateful. That is evil and it needs to
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be punished. We're speaking a Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, who won
her race. Some days after election day it was finally
called in her favor. The media was saying that she
was basically out of it, but she managed to pull
it off, pull it off in Colorado, a rare win
for the for the GOP in Colorado in this cycle. Congresswoman,
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now that you're going to be in the majority, just
wanted to know what do you think is most important
to focus on? What's going to be top of the
agenda as you work with many of our Republican friends
in Congress, you know, Jim Jordan and all the rest
of them. What are you going to be getting done.
There's a whole lot of things that we want to do,
certainly investigations or at the top. You mentioned Jim Jordan,
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and I know that he's He and Jamie Cohmer are
going to bring folks in like Secretary my orchis there.
They're going to open investigations into the the Biden crime family,
and so much more. But we have to start getting
the reckless spending under control. We have to make people's
lives easier again and lower this inflation, lower the cost
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of gas, lower the cost of groceries. It is so
difficult right now for families to just get by, and
it starts with reducing that reckless spending. In Washington, DC.
We now have the power of the pen, the power
of the purse, We have the gabble. We can do that.
And we have to get our domestic energy going again.
We get the exporting freedom all across the globe, and
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instead we have lost our energy independence, Biden he drained
our strategic oil reserves and the name of a midterm election.
And then of course we have to secure the border.
We have to secure the border and stop the flow
of sentinel and ultimately reduce the crimes in our states,
in our communities, and all across our nation right now.
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So these are just some of the top item. But
one thing that I think is really interesting is just
looking at leadership and having that conversation of what needs
to take place with leadership. One thing that I believe
needs to be done on day one is the Speaker
needs to declare that we have single subject legislation. That
is not something that you have to pass a law
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to do. We don't have to pass that through the House,
through the Senate and wait for the President to sign
this and to law. The Speaker has control of the
House floor and what comes to the floor and can
enforce single subject legislation. So gone or the days of
three thousand page bills when a member of Congress only
have twenty two hours to read them, knowing that it's
going to spend a trillion dollars or more. And in
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somewhere in the mix is this wonderful piece of legislation
for our veterans that you have to vote against because
you're not voting for something that you don't have time
to read. You don't want to pass it to find
out what's in it and further our nation's debt. So
we need single subject legislation on day one. Last question
for you, Congresswoman. We appreciate you making the time today.
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I'm sure that you have seen that CBS News after
two years, has suddenly been able to authenticate the Hunter
Biden laptop, which, as we said, anyone with a functional
brain has known since they saw the New York Post
story two years ago. What do you think's going to
happen with that investigation of Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's
connections to it, And what do you think of CBS
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suddenly deciding after two years to finally tell their viewers, oh, yeah,
this is real. You know, it's just really sad that
this is where our media is. You know, if you
if you were to bring up Hunter Biden's laptop just
two days ago or a year ago, well then that
was Russia disinformation and you were crazy and you were
a conspiracy serist. And this is where the mainstream media
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has failed the citizens of this country. They continuously lie
to them, and they prop up all of this propaganda
rather than just allowing us to speak the truth and
look into things. I'm absolutely looking forward to the investigations.
I look forward to serving on the Oversight Committee where
we will be having these investigations, and I am going
to dig in deep. And if anyone else wants to
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know more about where I stand, what I'm fighting for,
what we're doing, or to join my team Lauren for
Freedom dot com, we saw how close this race got
and I'm going to need all the help that I
can to stay strong in these next two years to
effectively represent not only my constituents here in Colorado's third District,
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but really everyone across the nation who loves this country
as much as I do and wants to see the
Biden family exposed and held accountable for what we have
been lied to for all of these years and so
much more. Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, we appreciate the time, fantastic
as always, congratulations on the reelection, and good luck keeping
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now by Nancy Grace. She is the host of Crime
Stories with Nancy Grace the podcast and Nancy, Buck and
I were talking and we said we need to get
Nancy on to talk about this case because both he
and I are really kind of obsessed with what may
have happened in Idaho surrounding this murder story that is
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basically leading newscasts everywhere for people who do not know
for murders, they cannot figure out who is responsible, just
off the University of Idaho's campus. What can you tell
us about this story and for people out there who
may not be following it, what details in general do
we at least have confirmed at this point. Hello, thank
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you for inviting me. Yes, we just covered this on
Crime Stories on Fox Nation about an hour ago. The
very latest, Well, let me play catch up. Four young
students to age twenty two age twenty one were slaughtered
in off campus housing. When I say off campus, it's
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at the edge of campuses, right along fraternity row in
Idaho University of Idaho. Two were women, Three were women,
one with a boyfriend a man. They lived at a
home where five co eds lived there. The boyfriend just
happened to be over that night. Right now, police are stumped.
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It looks as if all four were murdered in their sleep.
Now two may have woken up and began fighting back.
There are some defensive loans that by that I mean
cuts on the hands, the arm, the back of the
arm is possibly on the legs culling up in a
fetal position where you try to protect your throat, your face,
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and your chest. No suspects. The parents of one or
two of the girls are complaining right now because they
believe police wasted time looking at one of the girls
as ex boyfriends. But I got news for everybody, right
or wrong. The first suspect, the first person's interest is
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always the boyfriend slash lover or husband x romantic interest.
It always throw us there because statistically that's typically who
did it. Not in this case. In fact, police are
now considering that the killer of four people, remember he
could overpower four people at one of them, a man
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could have been lying in wait in woods outside the home. Hey, Nancy,
you know I've been reading about this a lot, as
I know people across the country have. And two things
have stuck out to me so far about this case.
One that is that there's the description in the press
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reports of a lot of evidence, but we don't really
seem to We don't never get any specificity. I'm wondering
if you could shine a little more light on what
they obviously we know as a grizzly crime scene, but
what kind of evidence they would be looking for here,
because they say they have a lot of it so far,
but no leads. And then also that there was I mean,
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this is and this is horrific, you know, additional reporting
that there was a dog that was a pet that
was skinned alive nearby, and some think that there may
be a connection. Wondering what you see in these two things.
Two first question, there is, as one light person a
civilian said, tons of evidence. What we name by that
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is there's a lot of blood evidence. These four people
were stabbed dead with a knife that clearly has a hilt.
It's a fixed handle. In other words, it's not a
pocket knife. It's knife. It's not a switchblade. It's immovable,
the type with a hilt. For those that don't camp
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or have never been the military, a hilt is usually
that little perpendicular kind of like a handle on the knife.
We say that because the wounds apparently were so severe
that they believe it was a fixed knife. There's going
to be a lot of blood evidence. I have worked
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several multi victim homicide things, and it takes weeks to
separate whose blood is whose. And a contact murder like this,
there's gonna be fiber evidence where the killer actually touched
the victim with their shirts or their chest or their arm.
There will be hair evidence. There will be blood evidence,
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most likely because we have a multiple stabbing. Very often
the killer's hand slides down the knife and they end
up cutting themselves. There's gonna be fingerprints. Here's the problem
with all of that. That is a treasure trade of evans.
But you gotta have something to compare it too. Unless
the killer is in APHIS fingerprints or codis DNA data bank,
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there's nothing to compare it too. They may have to
use ancestral DNA like Golden State killer, like I think
was used in Delphi, although they haven't said it. Where
you trace back back back to somebody's great great great
great grandparents, you built a family tree until you trickle
down to the killer. That's the quote. Tons of evidence,
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that's their blood five or fingerprints DNA. But it's going
to take a time, a long time to sort this out.
Let me think your other question was regarding the dog.
At several days, more like three weeks before the murders,
a pet, a precious little Australian Shepherd mix many was
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found skin head to tailtaber twenty one by his owners
was Jim Pan Colbert. They led him out into the
backyards Moscow, Idaho, a couple of miles down from this
murder scene, and he was murder skin and fileted. Yeah,
a pet dog. Much have been made of that because
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the purpose actually waiting outside got the dog did this
as a couple of miles away from the murder scene.
I'm not ready to connect it. Nancy. When you see
a knife used in a violent multi murder like this,
what does that tell you in your experience from a
profiling perspective, also where these people were maybe sleeping when
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the attack began. As you said, how does that differ
from someone using a gun? And obviously it's it's almost
unheard of to have a murder like this happening on
a college campus anywhere, and almost in Buck and Eye
were talking about it off air, it almost feels scream
like you know the movie where the killer is pretty
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much always using that sort of curved knife. What sort
of profile when you see these details, what sort of
alarm bells does it set off to you? I've heard
a lot of analogies to the screen movies. I have
not made that because I find it in very hurtful
to the victims' families to compare it to a movie.
But I see, I see what you're saying, and you're
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not the first that of course was a movie that
has from one of the true life inspiration. But as
what does it mean in the US, we don't have
as mean knifings as for instance, in Great Britain where
they don't really have guns here. If you analyze the
mind of a stabber, a knifer completely different from this
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psychology as somebody that at a distance shoots and I
mean three four feet ten feet twenty feet with a knife,
it is up close and personal. The person the victim
is fighting back. It's like hand to hand mutual combat.
I mean, think about it going into a young lady's
room while she's asleep in bed. This happened between three
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and four o'clock in the morning, and we're going to
find that out from the bodies, the degree of coagulation,
the rigor mortis, the liver mortis. But also there's extrinsic evidence,
such as one person's last phone call was two fifty
two am, so something is giving them that four am mark.
So they're saying three to four am. Maybe four am.
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The neighbors heard something, maybe four am. Something else happened
to give them the three to four am timeline. Back
to the knifing aspect, imagine je in a young woman's
room in the middle of the night. She's asleep in bed,
or at least in bed because they all stayed out
late that night, came home. It starts standing her, what
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kind of a freak is that willing to go up
close and personal to kill And keep in mind, no
sex attack, no robbery, so what's the motive. That is
why police keep saying this was targeted to at least
one of the victims. They keep saying targeted, but I
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say not all four, but at least one of the
victims was the target. Doesn't mean there's a close connection.
It's not like your husband or your your boyfriend. It
could be somebody that has been watching them, somebody that
delivers their pizza, somebody that thought the grocery store that
has been watching this, person that knows them in that sense.
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That is scary units leaving in droves. I've all believe
that's what. Sorry, I was going to ask you. Next
there is if you are a parent of a University
of Idaho student, a lot of these kids are home
right now for Thanksgiving, you would say, don't go back
to grab them by their ears and drag them all
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the way home to Bacon, Georgia. They would be at
home and away from that campus. Nancy, we know you're
gonna be following the Story club. It is obviously it
has a gripped the nation. We want to find out
what happened here. There needs to be justice for these families.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Everybody's the podcast. We know
she'll be covering it. Nancy, appreciate you being on the show,
and we hope you'll come back with update you and
(51:38):
I wish you well at Thanksgiving, and please keep these
families in mind as you gather around the table and
sell your prayer. We will thank you, Nancy, Amen for sure.
Uh back, we'll talk a little bit about this close
out the show. Um but but my goodness, it's awfully
awful tragedy for people in Idaho as they still continue
to grip and try to figure out what exactly happened there.
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