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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Our three of Clay and Buckets going
right now, and we have hit it, the debt ceiling.
We are there, my friends. Thirty one point four trillion dollars.
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That is the statutory limit. The United States government has
hit the statutory limit, like the Titanic running into an iceberg.
Just kidding, it's all gonna be fine, everybody. They're gonna
try to freak you out about this. Look, the debt
isn't all gonna be fine in so far as this
is a big problem. But the oh my gosh, the
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government's not gonna pay its bills. It's it's gonna pay
its bills. I mean, here's how CNN describes it, forcing
the Treasury Department to take extraordinary measures to keep the
government paying its bills, escalating pressure on Capitol Hill to
avoid a catastrophic default. The battle lines for the high
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stakes fight have already been set. Hardline Republicans sounds Scary Clay,
who have enormous sway in the House because of the
party slim majority, have demanded that lifting the borrowing cap
be tied to spending reductions. Doesn't that seem I mean,
let's just again, let's put on our reasonable guy in
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galhats for a moment. We have run up a thirty
one trillion dollar debt. If somebody wants to claim that
it doesn't matter, you know, que Paul Krugman with some
column or he's like, it doesn't matter, we can just
we're borrowing money from ourselves. It doesn't you know. Paul
Krugman perhaps the most consistently wrong Nobel Laureate I can
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think of in history. I mean, the guy's wrong about
everything all the time. If Paul Krugman says, BA, you
should sell, you know that that's the way it works here.
We are thirty one trillion. If it's no big deal,
why not fifty trillion, or why not just give everybody
ten million dollars? If there is no connection whatsoever to
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monetary policy and economic health. They're really just hoping that
people can't fathom or will ignore what this really means
and what the financial implications of this may be for them.
Just the service on the debt that we have begins
to crowd out spending. And the problem is that when
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Democrats see that, their reaction will be oh, but we
have more essential things. We have to spend money on clay.
You know the history of fiat currency. You want to
get scared. You know, you can read about the history
of fiat currency and one ends up happening to governments
that abuse it because eventually it collapses. Now I'm not
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saying our currency is going to collapse. We're very fortunate
this is America. Joe Biden's in charge. It feels like
our economy is almost idiot proof. It's not quite, but almost.
And yet thirty one trillion dollars should be alarm bells,
shouldn't it. It's not only that it's thirty one trillion
to me, because buck, if we had added that thirty
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one trillion dollars along the way of our two hundred
plus years as a nation, such that every year had
basically been the same cost, we're not. We are accelerating
our spending in an aggressive way. And this is important
because the Tea Party initially got its voice when we
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approached ten trillion dollar national debt. That was a big number.
That was a flashpoint. Many people said, oh, my goodness,
this is a monstrous debt that we have built up
ten trillion. As you just said, We're now over thirty trillion.
So in the space of twelve years, we've added twenty
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trillion dollars to our national debt and we are running up.
It appears around a trillion dollars a year in additional
national debt every year into the foreseeable future. When does
it end? How does it end? One way to contextualize
this is by just talking about the percentage of our
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overall expenses that are now eaten up by interest, because
the interest on thirty trillion dollars is approaching a substantial
scale of our national debt. And I was reading the
other day, I think in the Wall Street Journal buck
only about sixteen percent of our budget now is discretionary.
Think about that for a minute. We have so many
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obligations when it comes to Social Security, when it comes
to Medicare, when it comes to Medica, it is discretionary.
So when we're talking about multi trillion dollar budgets and
all those things, understand that most of that money has
already spent. And so if you were many states have
a balanced budget amendment, right, So if you live where
I do in State of Tennessee, we can't spend more
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money as a state than we take in the federal
government has not had that restriction. I use the example,
we spent more money responding to COVID than we did
World War Two, even in real dollars, which is crazy
to think about. So how do we fix this? This
is an untenable position for us to be in, and
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ultimately it is you can't just cover your eyes and
claim like I thought when I was a kid, buck,
I bet you kind of thought about this too. I
used to not worry about the national debt in the
nineteen eighties because I'd just be like, well, the government
can just print more money. They can always pay off
their national debt. That's kind of the magical thinking that
Democrats are governing with right now. And unfortunately, there aren't
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enough Republican adults in the room who we're going to
sit down and say this is an untenable position. At
some point, we have to restrain the spending. But in
terms of this story, we know how it ends. I
don't get very fired up with stories that I know
how they end. Already, we're not going to default, the
country's not going to go bankrupt, Like eventually, there's going
to be a resolution on what the spending looks like
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the national debt in the year two thousand was five
point seven trillion dollars. I mean, that's amazing to think about.
Say that again two thousand five to the year two thousand,
so just over twenty years ago it was five point
six and change trillion dollars. So we've added twenty five
trillion dollars plus in national debt in the twenty first
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century alone. When the Tea Party recognize what was going
on in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
when the national debt was eleven trillion dollars in two
thousand and nine, it then jumped up. By twenty sixteen
it was almost twenty trillion dollars, and now here we
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are it is thirty one point four trillion dollars. It
has taken off like the climate change hockey stick graph
chart that people used to talk you know that don't
talk about that anymore because you know the data. But
here we although al Gordon, we need to get some
of just for entertainment purposes, for everyone's amusement, we define
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some of the thunderous bloated al Gore, you know, pounding
the table about the need the urgency to save the planet,
and the guy is such a lunatic, and I feel
sorry for people that believed in his in his nonsense.
I think we've got it. We got it already in
the in the roster here, so we can I think
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we can toss that in the mix, because you know,
on the one hand, there's people who are saying, hey,
we're thirty one trillion dollars in debt. Isn't there something
Isn't there an urgency to tackle this problem? Don't we
want to make sure we don't create a situation where
we have, you know, hyper inflation at some point in
our future, or we have a default on the debt,
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or any of these things that can happen that everyone
right now says, Oh, that'll never happen. Meanwhile, back in
al gore Land over in Davos, he put down his
third cheeseburger long enough to start pounding the table and
yelling at everybody. I'm actually kind of hunger right now,
yelling at everybody about this play the clip, would you?
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Al Gore screaming at everybody, We've got it. We've got
a hat cut five. There we go. That's the part
of the atmosphere that has oxygen. The droposphere. We're still
putting one hundred and sixty two million tons into it
every single day, and the accumulated amount is now trapping
as much extra heat as would be released by six
hundred thousand herosia mclass atomic bombs exploding every single day
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on the Earth. That's what's boiling the oceans, creating these
atmospheric rivers and the rain bombs, and sucking the moisture
out of the land, and creating the droughts and melting
the ice and raising the sea level and causing these
waves of climate refugees. Greta Tunberg was just arrested in Germany.
I agree with her efforts to stop that coal mine
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in I mean this, he's like a psychopathic cult leader,
screaming nonsense at people, and yet he's surrounded with some
of the richest and most influential global elites in the world.
I mean, the stuff boiling the seas. He should go
jump in the water off Long Island in the wintertime,
right now, go check it out. Why doesn't Greta ever
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protest in China? She protests an awful lot of places
where she knows the consequences of protests are actually just
praise right. I just people who constantly protest and never
are willing to protest the places that are doing the
worst version of what they're protesting. I don't have any
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respect for them. Like if Greta got on an airplane
and flew to China and went and found the most
polluting region in China and like, you know, locked herself
to a gate at a Chinese factory, I'll be like, Okay,
Like she's living her worldview. She's actually putting her cell
on the line. When you're in Europe, or you're in
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the United States, or you're in a democracy and you
decide to protest, you often get rewarded. This is like
the Kaepernick thing, when taking a knee makes you more
money than standing for the national anthem. Is it really
brave to take a knee? No? I mean go to China,
actually stand up to places where there are real human
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rights violations. Put yourself on the line. I mean, she
can fly in there right now if she's truly obsessed
with climate change. China is creating far more global greenhouse
emissions than any other country I think in the world.
They have relatively limited if any interest in actually declining that,
go chain yourself to the entrance gate of a Chinese
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factory and see what they do to you. But isn't
it remarkable that we are It is so much more
fashionable as we are sitting here and the thirty one
truly dollar debt limit has been hit, and by any
objective historical standard, it's crazy. What's what the federal government
is doing? It's crazy. The problem with waiting until it's
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obvious to everybody is then it's too late. That's also
when you when you will learn the history of fiat
currencies and spending crazes. By the time everybody gets that
this is an issue, it's already it's already too far. Well,
this is the basis for crypto, right buck. This is
what all the crypto people, if you really the ones
who are smart enough to understand it, are like, you
can't trust currencies anymore because they're so devalued based on
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the debt loads that the only thing that's going to
have any value is a universal cryptocurrency. Now, I don't
think clearly has not been the case recently, but that's
their argument. They see it. At least, it's still an argument.
I'm not sure how convincing it is because Unfortunately, crypto
is also through blockchain. What all the transactions are based
on the ledger, right, so that's all public. But if
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crypto is going to be people creating new coins all
the time, there's a problem with oh look there's a
new crypto coin out there. My biggest thing with crypto
is if you really think we're headed towards governmental collapse,
are you really think the Wi fi is going to
be that reliable, Like I think we'll go back to
gold bars and you know, like the actual ways that
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we had physical assets. Right, You'll notice that in post
apocalyptic movies there's never a guy who's like, hey, I
need food, oil and ammunition. Here's my thumb drive with
my dose coin right right, doesn't really get it done.
So I'm not sold on the idea that nerds are
going to deliver the world. And you know, suddenly the
like the Wi Fi doesn't work that regularly in my
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and Buck Sexton. Welcome back to Clay an Buck. We're
talking about this controversy on with the NHL. I don't
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think I'm trying to think of when the last time
I watched a hockey game. I went to a hockey game,
maybe ten years ago, and I don't even remember who
was playing. A friend took me, a buddy of mine,
but I haven't seen hockey. In Wild's point, I don't
know much about hockey, but I do know about political agendas,
and clearly the media that is covering the NHL has one,
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and I think increasingly this is something that you're going
to see spill out into other areas of American I mean,
it already has, but it's going to be an ongoing thing,
whether it's announcing your pronouns in your email signature or
any number of things where you have to go along
with some of the agenda of LGBTQ plus activism isn't
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amazing even that it can rattle off the acronym with
that's because we hear it all the time. Yeah, and
they add to it, but we still this is how
this all goes. Here's a Canadian journalist and we just
had this one NHL Network senior reporter talk about how
this Russian player should go back and fight in the
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Russia Ukraine war. Right. Let me mentioned this too. The
guy's been in America since he was thirteen years old.
And I just want everybody out there listening to think,
if this war an African athlete, right, there's tons of
guys who were born in Africa that play, for instance,
in the NBA, now a lot of guys who play
a variety of sports in the NFL. Two if that,
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if that athlete had refused to wear a gay Pride
jersey and this guy had come on and said go
back to Africa, he would never work in sports again.
So I just want everybody out there to think, when
you say go back to Russia and, by the way,
fight in a war and potentially get yourself killed against Ukraine,
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imagine that he says go back to Africa and fight
in one of your civil wars on your war torn continent.
If you won't wear a gay Pride jersey, the guy
would never work again. So I just want everybody out
there thinking, why is it okay for him to say
go back to Russia? And also buck if this guy
were Muslim and he were deciding to do it, would
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this guy say go back to the Middle East? We
don't want your kind here in this country. If you
won't wear a gay Pride jersey because of your religion,
go back to that backwards country in the Middle East
where you came from. He would never work again either.
So just because he's Russian, why should the standard of
go back to your country not be applied the same
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way that it would if it were Asia or Africa
or the Middle East. Just because he's a white Russian
guy doesn't mean that his perspective is any less valid
than theirs would be. Here is a Canadian journalist who
also had a meltdown because this Flyers player Provarov would
not wear a Pride jersey Play seventeen. I think you
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fire the Flyers a million dollars for this. I'm not kidding.
Figure this out and stop offending people on nights where
it's not about that's supposed to be about inclusivity. Because
what I heard last night was offensive and didn't make
any sense because, for instance, if that was a military night,
if anyone in Canada or in the States on a
military appreciation night wouldn't wear a jersey pregame, do you
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have any idea the uproar that would have happened on
that Nothing scares me more than any human being who
says I'm not doing this because of my religious beliefs,
because when you looked in people's lives, you normally say
that publicly you'd throw up at what you saw. So
don't give me that. First of all. So this is
a sports let me just I just want this is
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this is where I started pulling my hair out when
I saw this happening everywhere. But just to reiterate, this
is a sports program, Like you put this on because
you're like, hey, I wonder if the Toronto Maple Leafs
or the Detroit Red Wings are and I'm just taught,
I'm not an expert in hockey are going to be
able to make a run over the next month. And
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you hear this like it's not only that it's being said, Buck,
it's that the incongruity of where you're hearing it. You're
getting lectured from dudes who otherwise sit around and tell
you whether a guy deserves his contract or not as
a forward on a hockey team. Yes, but this is
this is another instance of go along with an agenda
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that has pushed very much by the left, or else
you're a horrible person who should be fired from your job, canceled, ruined,
and destroyed. And we see how much the shift has
occurred here from let's all just be nice to each other,
let's all be polite. Let's make sure that everyone is
equal under the law. To you better do what we
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say and celebrate what we tell you to celebrate. As
I said yesterday, I don't want to be told to
celebrate anything. Yeah, I don't want to be told about
you would go out there and you know where anything
amga hat. I don't want to be told to go
out there and I have to put a pin. I'm
not a flagpin guy, for example. It's just it's not
because I don't love the flag. I love my country.
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I love the flag, I love my country, but I'm
just not a flagpin guy. Yeah, I don't want to
be told that I have to wear a flagpin, like
you shouldn't have to wear the ribbon, as we all
know from Seinfeld. Yeah, and buck his analogy there that
first of all, a couple of the different things were flawed. One,
if you know, some of the things in the background
of these people would religion, Like people who are religious
are imperfect. That is why many people are religious. Right.
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This idea that if you have any skeletons in your closet,
or if you do things your life that are not
living up to the ideals of religion, you don't have
any basis to embrace a religion is fundamentally the antithesis
of why many people do, in fact embrace religion. So
that's a ridiculous argument. But he then said, oh, well
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he would wear a military jersey that salutes the troops. Well,
that's what you do, right, Like the whole concept of
a jersey is you wear the jersey of something that
you support, right, So, like I am a fan of
the Tennessee Titans. Unfortunately, I would not wear a jersey
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of the Houston Texans because they're a different team, right,
Like you wear the jersey of what you support. And
if and I'm maybe not everybody would agree with me.
But I was talking about this earlier on one of
our OutKick programs. But there used to be a ton
of Quakers in Pennsylvania, right, Like Benjamin Franklin, I believe
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was a Quaker. It's a religious faith that is non
violent in nature. I'm not sure how many Quakers there
still are, but they would get religious exemptions because they
refuse to fight in all wars. Right if this guy
Proverov was instead of Russian Orthodox, if he wore a
Quaker and he came out and said, hey, I understand
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militaries are important to many different people, but because I'm
a Quaker, my religion doesn't allow me to support military.
And he said, I'm not going to wear a military
label on my jersey. As a result, I can't speak
for everyone, but if he explained that, I might not
agree with it, but I wouldn't be like, oh, this
guy has to leave the country. I'd be like, well,
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that's his religious beliefs. People have different religious beliefs. That's
why we were founded as a country for religious want
to know. So if if there's a decision that's made
that everyone has to everyone has to in some act
of solidarity with you know, Trent, with transgender youth. You
have to wear something, right, you have to or you
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have to don some kind of you know, emblem or
symbol of that. A lot of people have issues with
the whole notion of kids being told that they're training
one hundred percent. So do you have to go along
with that or your hole? By the way, the answer
that Democrats and the left would give, including Biden all
left the White House is yes, here's must paint some
into a corner that they can't answer. Buck And this
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is one for all of you out there. What if
the Philadelphia Flyers had decided that they wanted to have
a Christian faith knight and everyone had to wear a
jersey that had a gigantic cross on it. Yep, they
would never say this guy who said go back to Russia.
If a player said, hey, I understand some people are Christian,
I don't feel comfortable wearing a cross because my religious
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faiths are different, I would say, you know, we're a
multi plural society. I understand people who are Christian. I
respect that choice. This guy wouldn't say. He would actually
say that the player who refused to wear the cross
was a hero, he'd be like, well, this is what
you have to do. You can't stay up, like forced
enforced religion would be unacceptable to him. Well, this is
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a religion, right, That's what people haven't realized. Wokeism is
a religion, and this is a form of genuflecting before
that altar is wearing this gay pride. Absolutely, absolutely true.
And it's funny too because he says, you know, can
you imagine if you didn't do military appreciation night, Colin
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Kaepernick became some kind of international you know, civil rights
superstar Nike, you know, headlining, multi multi millionaire on top
of what the NFL had already paid him more money
you'd ever made before in his life because he did
something that obviously was meant to antagonize people who support
the troops in the flag, even though it's about you know,
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injustice or police or racism or whatever. We all know
what it was about. Okay, Yes, that's why he did
it when it was the national anthem. So this notion like, oh,
could you imagine, Yeah, the left would actually cheer for
someone who did that, which is what they did, by
the way, and we're not even talking about somebody. It's
not like he went out there and try to show
some form of disrespect while this was going on. He's
just like, look, I don't want to be a part
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of this. Good point by Ali, our producer. If the
Philadelphia Flyers came out and said, hey, we're supporting police
officers and so we've got some insignia associated with the
police on it, and a player refused to wear that jersey,
then this guy would praise it, right, He'd be like, Oh,
you shouldn't have to support military or police if you
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don't want to. That's not a part of your job.
You're just a hockey player, I mean that. And so
you really paint him into a corner. And what this
is really about is content based discrimination. And that's why
that's why it's so important, I think, to fire back
against these guys. So we've got a request out to
both the NHL Network and to the NHL itself because
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they employ this guy who said he needs to go
back to Russia. Like, what's your perspect if this is
your program that you put this out, you need to
have an answer for whether you think this player should
go back to Russia. Who's been here for since he
was thirteen because of his religious beliefs, and we'll take
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Travis and Buck Sexton. So we had a little fun
before talking about al Gore, who was very close to
being president worth reminding everybody of that at this phase. Wow,
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Clay out, you don't have to give me an in
depth analysis on this. I just from know gut reaction.
Would you rather Biden continue as president for the rest
of this term or do you think al Gore replacing
him would be better or worse? Oh? I think al
Gore would be way better. Just yeah, I think it
would be way better, just because I think that Gore
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is actually capable of thought. Um, and I don't like
I understand this, this whole obsession with climate change is
this is this is lunacy Clay, Okay, this is like
his religion and he's a high priest in it, and
it's a think I think you're you would they would
get rid of plastic bags in Tennessee. They'd come after you, guys.
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I don't think that he would be able to do
anything that they haven't already done on climate related issues.
And I think he's lost his mind. I think this
is the this is the downside in general, Buck, I
would say, with being a public figure for a long
time and not having some dose of reality. It's just
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like does he care about like who wins a college
football game? I think it's a Horton did not get
maniacally focused on any one thing, right, and his thing
is the climate. Like Greta, here he is yesterday saying
that the greatest threat to remember thirty one point four trillion,
We just hit it today. Here. The greatest threat to
the global economy not the rush of Ukraine war, not
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the thirty one trillion, no, no, none of that. It is,
of course, climate change blicklip eight. We live on an
earth that is under siege, and it's costing an increasing
amount each year in the last decade two and a
half trillion dollars, an increase of one trillion over the
previous ten years. In the annual report put out by
the WEFT here in Davos, each year, the greatest threat
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to the global economy is the climate crisis. I just
don't buy it. I look, but here's my thing, And
nobody ever really is able to understand this or I
understand its own word, but like really like dispute it.
If you study the history of the Earth's geology for
a very long time, what you see is that wide
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ranges of temperature occur all of the time, right, like
there are dinosaur bones in far northern Canada because it
used to be and I'm I'm not an expert on
the overall climate, but it used to be like a
you know, swamp and tropical environment in kind in Canada,
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right historically and I'm not talking historically maybe even the
wrong word, because we're talking about maybe geologically. The constant
change of temperature has been one of the biggest parts
of life on the planet. So I just don't buy
that suddenly humans are going to get wiped off the
planet because the climate changes. So I think that it's
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you can make this really simple, because I'll go we
could just play you endless clips of him saying completely insane,
completely insane things on a regular basis, making predictions that
are absolutely wrong, and it doesn't matter, doesn't care, and
so in a sense, what we've seen with COVID, where
people have been completely wrong, took all this power into
their hands, totally wrong, and there's no remorse, there's no apology,
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they just kind of continue going on with this climate
is the area where you've seen something similar to that
the science says, But the science is always wrong, So
why don't we keep listening to the quote science. I'm
here in Miami right now, Clay. If I went up
to somebody, because if you look at An Inconvenient Truth,
the Al Gore movie, you remember, Florida goes underwater very
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very soon. I've never even watched An Inconvenient Truth. I
should probably go watch it. It's so bad. It's so bad.
I had a college girlfriend when I was back in college.
She was liberal and she made me watch it, and
it's terrible. But anyway, if I went up to somebody
who had beachfront property here in down in Florida and
I said, look, I got a great I got a
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great opportunity for you. Your house is gonna be underwater
in the next ten to fifteen years. We know this
because of the science. I will give you a twenty
five percent offer on the current value of your house
right now, no questions asked. I think I could do
that for literally every resident with beachfront property here in
Florida and not get a single not get a single person,
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no matter what their politics are, who they vote for,
or how much they say they're worried about climate and
climate change is gonna melt the world, Not a single
one of them would take me up on that, because
they don't actually believe it. This is a thing with
climate change. They just want the benefit of the pretense
of the belief without actually having to live the lifestyle
or go through any of this. It's always somebody else
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who has to bear the cost of the action necessary
to keep all of this going right. Somebody else has
to make the sacrifices. I love looking the whole Davos thing,
where you fly on a private jet, often get picked
up by a helicopter once you land your private jet
to go talk about how threatening climate change is is
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absurdly hypocritically ridiculous. But your point on Miami is a
good one. I would just go out to la every
single day. It feels like, certainly every month there is
a massive new record cell in Malibu on the beach
beachfront properties going for dollar figures that are through the roof.
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Yet when I put on the oscars to the extent
that I do, because I'm not sure I saw any
of the movies that are gonna be OSCAR nominated this year,
A decent number of those actors and actresses that get
up and speak about how danger the climate is in
the world will either have the people who fund their
movies having bought Malibu beach houses or own one themselves.
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If you truly believe, I'll be honest with you, one
of the first things I did when I sold my
company buck was by beachfront property down on the Florida
Gulf Coast to build a home down there. I don't
believe that that home is ever going to be in
danger because of the rising oceans. Neither of the people
buying homes in Malibu. Because if you did what I'm
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sold for one hundred million dollars recently, Buckets on the beach,
and you could even say, well, okay, well fine, maybe
they just want the house for the next ten years
and they'll roll the dice on the rest of it. Okay,
I'll buy land, sell me undeveloped beach front land in Malibu,
because you know that'll take a long to have to
build a house. I'll have to do the I'll take
that thirty year bet right now. I'll take that thirty
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year bet. Not a single person will actually do it. Nobody,
nobody is willing to individually pay the price of their
pseudo convictions when it comes to climate change and the
fact that people worship this child, Greta Fundberg. I guess
she's like eighteen now, right, but it's basically still a kid.
Doesn't know anything and think that she's that They treat
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her as some kind of symbol of wisdom on this.
The same people who say shut up and listen to
Fauci and all the doctors because they're experts, the same
people tell you shut up and listen to Greta Fundberg.
She understands the climate. Greta Fundberg couldn't do my Algebra
one homework from high school. But I'm going to listen
to her about the global economy and how we're all
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gonna die unless we listen to her like this. There
is a mass hysteria that has spread on issues like this,
and particularly on climate change. I've talked to people think.
I've had people approached me and say, you know, you
seem pretty reasonable and everything else. You know, some wealthy
people in New York. This has happening before. They say,
but I mean you don't believe in climate change. They
look at me like I'm crazy. Yeah, and they and
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they think that that's some kind of marker of intelligence. Oh,
believing in climate change means you're a smart person, based
on what buck Every story that has to do with
weather in the last decade, every one of them now
must mention climate change in its article about weather. In
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the nineteen eighties, it was cold and some hot. I love.
I do love late at night if I'm gonna watch
something I love to watch, you know, uh, any of
those old like you know, the nature programs like oh
and like the sea lion is going through the ocean
and oh no, the part of Orcas has arrived, you know,
the whole thing in Richard Attenborough. Um. Every time now
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you watch any natural pro nature programming, they'll be like, oh,
this this fish species is declining because of the ravages
of climate change. Every single time you can't watch one
without that happening. And so I'm angry at them about that. Too,
because they're ruining what should be. I mean, can we
can we just watch like lions chase gazelles without getting
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someone's lunatic politics thrown in the knicks? By the way,
here what we have Greta. Do you want to hear
the Gretta audio? We have Greta audio. I want her
to go to China and and and I want her
to walk herself to a gate at a Chinese factory
to protest Chima climate change. That's what I'm calling on
Greti Thundberg to do. Play clip twenty. Oh oh, I
thought we had I thought we had it. Sorry, well,
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we'll get to Greta when we come back. But she
just got arrested, and sure enough, this is where she's
gonna be safe again. Here's the other thing I can.
I can I point out what what just happened? Just
over notes. This is problem with live radio. Our team
sent me Greta is twenty, and I assume they meant, oh,
we have the audio. It's clipped twenty, but she's actually
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years twenty years old, now I understand, which is no
longer a teenager. She's a she's a she's a very
well seasoned twenty year old right now, I will just
point this out too, in addition to every time there
is an article now about any climate issue they mentioned
and you just said on the health, on the you know,
nature shows they've been taking. My wife used to make
(36:47):
fun of this because all sometimes listen to history books
on on like audio book when we're driving around, and
she just rolls her eyes the amount of time they
spend talking about the weather in any history book. It's like, oh,
we had a horrible storm, and then that impact like, well,
there's kind of been a big deal for a long time.
And so this idea that every single time there is
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a unique weather event that is worthy of being covered
as a story, that you have to discuss the climate change.
Yet simultaneously, what will they say, buck about any time
a twenty year old drops dead all of a sudden.
You can't mention that there might be anything other than
normal everyday life that this is involved in. Right, can
mention the COVID shot, But every single time there's a
(37:28):
weather incident, you have to mention the climate. We can
definitely mention the thirty one trillion dollars in debt, and
we're going to keep mentioning it because a lot of
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Lots of original non airing on the radio content coming
to the podcast feed. You're gonna love it. We join
now by our buddy Alex Berenson for the latest on
the COVID shot data and Alex yesterday on your sub stack,
very alarming data that is coming out. We've moved from
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I think everybody basically acknowledges, generally speaking, that the COVID
shot does not do anywhere near what it was promised
to do, and at best has some small prophylactic value
for a relatively short period of time, three or four
months after a shot is GI and then now it's
moving from it doesn't do very much the story Alex
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to there may be actual harm done by these shots.
What can you tell us about the latest data? Is
that an accurate trajectory of how you would assess the
narrative surrounding these shots. Well, I mean I would say
that the people who defended them would still insist that
they that they reduce severe disease and death. I mean,
(40:26):
that's the claim that that that no, they don't stop
in faction. No they don't stop transmission. Yeah, you might
even be at somewhat higher risk or being infected if
you've gotten a bunch of boosters in the in the
omicron era. But they do stop severe disease and death,
and you know, and to and to make that case,
they rely on a bunch of data that um, that's
(40:46):
that that that I could go through and sort of
explain why it's problematic. But but that would take the
whole segment. So instead, let me let me talk about
why I'm more concerned right now than I you know,
and I think I talking to you now for almost
two years. Do you hear when I think things are
you know, getting better? You hear when I think things
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are getting worse. I certainly a few months ago thought
I really thought we were we were probably coming out
of this and h And now I'm much more concerned
than I was. And the reason is it's twofold. It's
when you look at some of the all cosmotality in others.
The one number that truly can't be faked is how
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many people are dying. Right if you're in the United
States or you're in Europe, you're really almost anywhere in
the world with a with a functioning government, they count
births and they count death okay, and those numbers, you know,
some places report them more quickly and others the US
actually doesn't do that good a job of reporting quickly.
But in places that for most of last year, in
(41:48):
places that used the advanced vaccines, especially the mr Anda
vaccines which are the fires are in Materna vaccines, excess
deaths have been running hot okay, non COVID mostly, And
that's not what anybody expected when this whole thing began.
They thought, Hey, there's going to be a bunch of
old six people who die from COVID. And then for
a couple of years, we're probably going to actually pretty
(42:08):
low deaths because the people who died from COVID were
very sick and likely to die in the next six
months to two years anyway. And that's not what's happened.
We've had a lot of extra deaths, and in the
last couple of weeks actually the numbers have gone way
up again, to the point in Europe where they're as
bad as they were really at any time in the
(42:29):
COVID era. And remember when Italy, when a few countries
in Europe had bad excess deaths in March twenty twenty,
we shut the world down. It was a really big deal.
And now this is just sort of happening and we're
basically the media is ignoring it. Okay, but the numbers
are real. You can find them yourself if you know
where to look. They're publicly reported, and they're bad, and
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no one has a good explanation for that. Well, Alex,
that's the next thing I want to ask you is
do do you have a theory or a set of
theories as to what is going on that's producing this
very obviously troubling data. Yeah, So so okay, I mean,
so you can say, well, this is delayed medical care.
But that doesn't make any sense at this point. You know,
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we're sort of two years out from the lockdowns, like that,
why now, why would this be happening now? Or you
can say, well, this is long COVID, except when you
actually try to find a mechanism that makes any sense
for long COVID, you can't find one. And there's data showing,
for example, that when you have mild COVID, very big
study that came out a few weeks ago out of Israel.
They looked at a lot of people who'd had mild
COVID and compared them to a lot of people who
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didn't and guess what, in the next year, the people
who had COVID but not a severe case and the
people who didn't have COVID had basically exactly the same
number of possiblizations over the next twelve months. Okay, so,
so long COVID. I mean, it does not really make
sense to me as an explanation. So what do we know.
We know that we vaccinated an enormous number of people
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with these vaccines that we didn't have long term safety
data on. And now we get to the second part
of this, why this is concerning. We are now finding
out that these vaccines seem to cause immune system changes
that were not predicted, that we didn't expect. And there's
two very good papers, both of which came out of
Germany in the last month, showing that after you get
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the mr anda is your immune system essentially stopped really
trying to fight part of the covid uh, part of
the coronavirus. Okay, I'm simplifying and exaggerating, but you make
antibodies to the coronavirus, and over time you start to
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make more and more of a kind of antibody that
isn't very good at fighting the coronavirus. And the theory is,
although I don't think we know why yet for sure,
the theory is because the vaccines are so good at
getting your immune system redded up early on, it eventually
has to downregulate. It's like it's like it's like if
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you flood the engine, you know eventually you're going to
burn it out, and so you have to lay off.
And that seems to be a problem that was not anticipated,
at least not by the company. And then there's this
paper and this is why you know, that's why you
guys asked me on today a paper that came out
of China just a few weeks ago showing that when
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people had went to people when they gave mice repeated
injections of a version of a COVID vaccine after the
fourth shot, but in the fifth and six shots, essentially
their immune systems collapsed against COVID. Now, people are gonna
say it's mice, it's true. They're gonna say this is
not the COVID vaccine we get in the United States,
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it's not the mRNA. That's true. They're gonna say it's
a fifth shot and a sixth shot. That's true. So
I'm not saying that this proves that this is happening
in the United States. What I'm saying is, against this
backdrop of this big problem with excess mortality and the
fact that COVID hasn't gone away, we're getting more and
more evidence that these vaccines on a cellular level are
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doing stuff that we didn't expect and that we probably
don't want. How scared would you be if you'd gotten
five or six COVID shots? Oh, I mean, if I've
gotten five or six, I'd I'd be nervous. At this point,
I don't think that's a good idea. I think the
booster campaign should essentially be halted at this point because,
and here's the thing, there's no upside. Okay, at best,
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you're getting some extra antibodies that last a matter of
weeks and don't work very well against omicrons. So why
are we doing this to ourselves? The core that we
don't want to have happen is we know the antibody's
switch is happening. Okay, we know this, and we know
also that the anybody's that the vaccines boods don't work
that way later omicron, you still have T cells, Okay,
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you still have this back line of defense that if
your cells get infected, the T cells go and attack
those cells and prevent the virus from replicating out of control. Okay,
you have to have key cells, right, And what we
don't want to do is follow a course of action
that causes those to burn out. And that should be
(47:08):
where the focus of the public health and the vaccine coming.
We should be talking about this openly and figuring out
if that's a list right now. I don't think that's
too much an ask for Alex. And we're speaking to
Alex Barrenson. You can all subscribe to his sub stack.
Alex Is there is there any historical precedent for this
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kind of of taking a shot again and again and
again to create an immune system boost like this that
has ended up working out very well with a high
level of efficacy. I mean, is this totally uncharted territory?
Totally totally uncharted. I mean, you can compare it to
the flu vaccine, and that's not really a great comparison
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for the people who want to do this, right, I mean,
people people have been pressed to get the flu vaccine aggressively.
For the last twenty years. We give out a lot
more flu shots than we used to. I shouldn't even
call a vaccine. Really, they don't even call a vaccine.
It doesn't work very well, and the number of flu
disks in the last thirty or forty years has actually
increased dramatically. So the flu vaccine doesn't work very well. Okay,
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but at least we know how the flu vaccine works. Okay,
it's a pretty straightforward vaccine. The covid vaccine we're now
learning doesn't work very well either, except it has all
these other issues that we didn't anticipate and it works
in a completely different way than the flu vaccine. So no,
there is no precedent for what we've done in the
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last two years. Alex. What's scary about this is the
I would say risk profile of the COVID shots continue
to get worse, and the risk reward obviously continues to
get worse. How much worse can it get? And as
a tie in with that, is there good data on
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all cause mortality from countries that did not give a
lot of COVID shots. Those tend I would imagine to
be more Third world countries and in generality and maybe
their data is not as reliable. But in let's say,
poor African countries, does there seem to be also a
higher rate of death in those countries like we would
see in England or Israel or the United States? Great,
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great question, And I've been trying to find that data
and I have not been able to find it for
exactly the reason you say these are they're poor countries
and they report this stuff slow when they report it
at all. That China would actually be a really good
um place to it, because China, you know, has a
pretty modern economy anyway, and and probably collect stuff. But
as we know, we can't really trust the Chinese data
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on a national level that much. So there is some
I will say Eastern Europe, there are some countries that
are reporting relatively low death in the last you know,
the last or nine months or so, a country like Bulgaria,
so those has bad COVID waves worse than Western Europe
to be, to be frank with you, they didn't use
a lot of the mr Anda vaccines but seems less
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so that so that is, that's the one place I
can point to and say, this is sort of what
I would expect to see if it's the vaccines that
are causing the problem. But if you're asking in a
worldwide basis, I've been trying to find that data and
I have not been able to find it yet. Alice,
when you see people sharing stories news stories about young
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athletic individuals, some professional athletes, some are high school athletes,
whatever the case may be, at heart trouble, how much
of this do you think is in any way tied
to the vaccine based on the data right now versus now,
everyone every time they see somebody who's younger, who's an
athlete and has any heard issue, there is this there's
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a jump to conclusion that happens. I think it's a
lot of the latter. I mean, I think we just
don't know in any individual case. I mean, you can look,
there are certain cases very rare, and I don't think
that you know, we're not talking about tomor Hamlet here.
We're talking about, you know, like a handful of cases
where people have gotten vaccine, they've gone to the you know,
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er with myocarditis, they've died. Autopsies have been done and
they showed that that myocarditis was conclusively linked to the
vaccine the based on sort of like the profile of
the inflammatory response and other things. But that is not
what's happening in the big cases. And look, I've been criticized,
you know, and I know I know you have too,
for um, you know, for for occasionally pointing these cases
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out and saying what happened here? But what I think
is happening the bigger question is, Look, I can find
you a story from the last couple of days showing
that hospitals in England have been overrun. Okay, I can
point you the government data release this morning from Scotland
that Scotland had more death last week than I think
in the last twenty years. You have to go back
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to two thousand to find when they had more than
two thousand deaths in a week. Okay, so people are
aware broadly that the vaccines didn't work as promised, and
they're starting to be aware that there's something going on
with excess death and I needed the refusal of government
health authorities to deal with this in an honest way.
That's causing the conspiracy theories. All right, Let's pretend last
(52:16):
question for you, Alex. Let's pretend President Ron De Santis
was in office right now and he was willing to
look at this data as he has been in Florida.
What should the government do? Let's pretend Joe Biden suddenly
got Jesus and brought you in and said, hey, you're right,
COVID is a disaster. These shots. What should the government
do in an ideal world right now? Right now? We
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got to find out the impact of this IgG for
a class switch, this antibody class switch. We need to
figure out, you know who this is happening to the
most and sort of try to look perspectively at whether
or not they're getting sicker. We need to look at
the various causes of all cause mortality. You know what's
driving the extra mortality in the US and elsewhere, and
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I to find out, you know, are people who got
four shots more likely to be in this group. There's
a lot of really complicated epidemiology and there's complicated basic
cellular work that needs to happen. But there we can
get some answers to this. And in the meantime, what
I would say is, you know, if Rondes Saylors are
in charge, I bet you we'd be suspending the booster campaigns.
And that would be a good thing right now, because again,
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you know what Bucks said, There's there's no good, there's
no reward here, there's only risk of doing this at
this point. Thank you, Alex. We're going to keep updated,
tell people to check out the sub stack as always,
and we appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Guys,
it's Alex Berenson and that is alarming. We'll discuss break
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Our three of Clay and Buckets going
right now, and we have hit it, the debt ceiling.
We are there, my friends. Thirty one point four trillion dollars.
(00:20):
That is the statutory limit. The United States government has
hit the statutory limit, like the Titanic running into an iceberg.
Just kidding, it's all gonna be fine, everybody. They're gonna
try to freak you out about this. Look, the debt
isn't all gonna be fine in so far as this
is a big problem. But the oh my gosh, the
(00:41):
government's not gonna pay its bills. It's it's gonna pay
its bills. I mean, here's how CNN describes it, forcing
the Treasury Department to take extraordinary measures to keep the
government paying its bills, escalating pressure on Capitol Hill to
avoid a catastrophic default. The battle lines for the high
(01:01):
stakes fight have already been set. Hardline Republicans sounds Scary Clay,
who have enormous sway in the House because of the
party slim majority, have demanded that lifting the borrowing cap
be tied to spending reductions. Doesn't that seem I mean,
let's just again, let's put on our reasonable guy in
(01:25):
galhats for a moment. We have run up a thirty
one trillion dollar debt. If somebody wants to claim that
it doesn't matter, you know, que Paul Krugman with some
column or he's like, it doesn't matter, we can just
we're borrowing money from ourselves. It doesn't you know. Paul
Krugman perhaps the most consistently wrong Nobel Laureate I can
(01:45):
think of in history. I mean, the guy's wrong about
everything all the time. If Paul Krugman says, BA, you
should sell, you know that that's the way it works here.
We are thirty one trillion. If it's no big deal,
why not fifty trillion, or why not just give everybody
ten million dollars? If there is no connection whatsoever to
(02:06):
monetary policy and economic health. They're really just hoping that
people can't fathom or will ignore what this really means
and what the financial implications of this may be for them.
Just the service on the debt that we have begins
to crowd out spending. And the problem is that when
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Democrats see that, their reaction will be oh, but we
have more essential things. We have to spend money on clay.
You know the history of fiat currency. You want to
get scared. You know, you can read about the history
of fiat currency and one ends up happening to governments
that abuse it because eventually it collapses. Now I'm not
(02:49):
saying our currency is going to collapse. We're very fortunate
this is America. Joe Biden's in charge. It feels like
our economy is almost idiot proof. It's not quite, but almost.
And yet thirty one trillion dollars should be alarm bells,
shouldn't it. It's not only that it's thirty one trillion
to me, because buck, if we had added that thirty
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one trillion dollars along the way of our two hundred
plus years as a nation, such that every year had
basically been the same cost, we're not. We are accelerating
our spending in an aggressive way. And this is important
because the Tea Party initially got its voice when we
(03:30):
approached ten trillion dollar national debt. That was a big number.
That was a flashpoint. Many people said, oh, my goodness,
this is a monstrous debt that we have built up
ten trillion. As you just said, We're now over thirty trillion.
So in the space of twelve years, we've added twenty
(03:51):
trillion dollars to our national debt and we are running up.
It appears around a trillion dollars a year in additional
national debt every year into the foreseeable future. When does
it end? How does it end? One way to contextualize
this is by just talking about the percentage of our
(04:13):
overall expenses that are now eaten up by interest, because
the interest on thirty trillion dollars is approaching a substantial
scale of our national debt. And I was reading the
other day, I think in the Wall Street Journal buck
only about sixteen percent of our budget now is discretionary.
Think about that for a minute. We have so many
(04:35):
obligations when it comes to Social Security, when it comes
to Medicare, when it comes to Medica, it is discretionary.
So when we're talking about multi trillion dollar budgets and
all those things, understand that most of that money has
already spent. And so if you were many states have
a balanced budget amendment, right, So if you live where
I do in State of Tennessee, we can't spend more
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money as a state than we take in the federal
government has not had that restriction. I use the example,
we spent more money responding to COVID than we did
World War Two, even in real dollars, which is crazy
to think about. So how do we fix this? This
is an untenable position for us to be in, and
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ultimately it is you can't just cover your eyes and
claim like I thought when I was a kid, buck,
I bet you kind of thought about this too. I
used to not worry about the national debt in the
nineteen eighties because I'd just be like, well, the government
can just print more money. They can always pay off
their national debt. That's kind of the magical thinking that
Democrats are governing with right now. And unfortunately, there aren't
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enough Republican adults in the room who we're going to
sit down and say this is an untenable position. At
some point, we have to restrain the spending. But in
terms of this story, we know how it ends. I
don't get very fired up with stories that I know
how they end. Already, we're not going to default, the
country's not going to go bankrupt, Like eventually, there's going
to be a resolution on what the spending looks like
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the national debt in the year two thousand was five
point seven trillion dollars. I mean, that's amazing to think about.
Say that again two thousand five to the year two thousand,
so just over twenty years ago it was five point
six and change trillion dollars. So we've added twenty five
trillion dollars plus in national debt in the twenty first
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century alone. When the Tea Party recognize what was going
on in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
when the national debt was eleven trillion dollars in two
thousand and nine, it then jumped up. By twenty sixteen
it was almost twenty trillion dollars, and now here we
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are it is thirty one point four trillion dollars. It
has taken off like the climate change hockey stick graph
chart that people used to talk you know that don't
talk about that anymore because you know the data. But
here we although al Gordon, we need to get some
of just for entertainment purposes, for everyone's amusement, we define
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some of the thunderous bloated al Gore, you know, pounding
the table about the need the urgency to save the planet,
and the guy is such a lunatic, and I feel
sorry for people that believed in his in his nonsense.
I think we've got it. We got it already in
the in the roster here, so we can I think
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we can toss that in the mix, because you know,
on the one hand, there's people who are saying, hey,
we're thirty one trillion dollars in debt. Isn't there something
Isn't there an urgency to tackle this problem? Don't we
want to make sure we don't create a situation where
we have, you know, hyper inflation at some point in
our future, or we have a default on the debt,
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or any of these things that can happen that everyone
right now says, Oh, that'll never happen. Meanwhile, back in
al gore Land over in Davos, he put down his
third cheeseburger long enough to start pounding the table and
yelling at everybody. I'm actually kind of hunger right now,
yelling at everybody about this play the clip, would you?
(08:16):
Al Gore screaming at everybody, We've got it. We've got
a hat cut five. There we go. That's the part
of the atmosphere that has oxygen. The droposphere. We're still
putting one hundred and sixty two million tons into it
every single day, and the accumulated amount is now trapping
as much extra heat as would be released by six
hundred thousand herosia mclass atomic bombs exploding every single day
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on the Earth. That's what's boiling the oceans, creating these
atmospheric rivers and the rain bombs, and sucking the moisture
out of the land, and creating the droughts and melting
the ice and raising the sea level and causing these
waves of climate refugees. Greta Tunberg was just arrested in Germany.
I agree with her efforts to stop that coal mine
(08:59):
in I mean this, he's like a psychopathic cult leader,
screaming nonsense at people, and yet he's surrounded with some
of the richest and most influential global elites in the world.
I mean, the stuff boiling the seas. He should go
jump in the water off Long Island in the wintertime,
right now, go check it out. Why doesn't Greta ever
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protest in China? She protests an awful lot of places
where she knows the consequences of protests are actually just
praise right. I just people who constantly protest and never
are willing to protest the places that are doing the
worst version of what they're protesting. I don't have any
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respect for them. Like if Greta got on an airplane
and flew to China and went and found the most
polluting region in China and like, you know, locked herself
to a gate at a Chinese factory, I'll be like, Okay,
Like she's living her worldview. She's actually putting her cell
on the line. When you're in Europe, or you're in
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the United States, or you're in a democracy and you
decide to protest, you often get rewarded. This is like
the Kaepernick thing, when taking a knee makes you more
money than standing for the national anthem. Is it really
brave to take a knee? No? I mean go to China,
actually stand up to places where there are real human
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rights violations. Put yourself on the line. I mean, she
can fly in there right now if she's truly obsessed
with climate change. China is creating far more global greenhouse
emissions than any other country I think in the world.
They have relatively limited if any interest in actually declining that,
go chain yourself to the entrance gate of a Chinese
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factory and see what they do to you. But isn't
it remarkable that we are It is so much more
fashionable as we are sitting here and the thirty one
truly dollar debt limit has been hit, and by any
objective historical standard, it's crazy. What's what the federal government
is doing? It's crazy. The problem with waiting until it's
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obvious to everybody is then it's too late. That's also
when you when you will learn the history of fiat
currencies and spending crazes. By the time everybody gets that
this is an issue, it's already it's already too far. Well,
this is the basis for crypto, right buck. This is
what all the crypto people, if you really the ones
who are smart enough to understand it, are like, you
can't trust currencies anymore because they're so devalued based on
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the debt loads that the only thing that's going to
have any value is a universal cryptocurrency. Now, I don't
think clearly has not been the case recently, but that's
their argument. They see it. At least, it's still an argument.
I'm not sure how convincing it is because Unfortunately, crypto
is also through blockchain. What all the transactions are based
on the ledger, right, so that's all public. But if
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crypto is going to be people creating new coins all
the time, there's a problem with oh look there's a
new crypto coin out there. My biggest thing with crypto
is if you really think we're headed towards governmental collapse,
are you really think the Wi fi is going to
be that reliable, Like I think we'll go back to
gold bars and you know, like the actual ways that
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apocalyptic movies there's never a guy who's like, hey, I
need food, oil and ammunition. Here's my thumb drive with
my dose coin right right, doesn't really get it done.
So I'm not sold on the idea that nerds are
going to deliver the world. And you know, suddenly the
like the Wi Fi doesn't work that regularly in my
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and Buck Sexton. Welcome back to Clay an Buck. We're
talking about this controversy on with the NHL. I don't
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think I'm trying to think of when the last time
I watched a hockey game. I went to a hockey game,
maybe ten years ago, and I don't even remember who
was playing. A friend took me, a buddy of mine,
but I haven't seen hockey. In Wild's point, I don't
know much about hockey, but I do know about political agendas,
and clearly the media that is covering the NHL has one,
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and I think increasingly this is something that you're going
to see spill out into other areas of American I mean,
it already has, but it's going to be an ongoing thing,
whether it's announcing your pronouns in your email signature or
any number of things where you have to go along
with some of the agenda of LGBTQ plus activism isn't
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amazing even that it can rattle off the acronym with
that's because we hear it all the time. Yeah, and
they add to it, but we still this is how
this all goes. Here's a Canadian journalist and we just
had this one NHL Network senior reporter talk about how
this Russian player should go back and fight in the
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Russia Ukraine war. Right. Let me mentioned this too. The
guy's been in America since he was thirteen years old.
And I just want everybody out there listening to think,
if this war an African athlete, right, there's tons of
guys who were born in Africa that play, for instance,
in the NBA, now a lot of guys who play
a variety of sports in the NFL. Two if that,
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if that athlete had refused to wear a gay Pride
jersey and this guy had come on and said go
back to Africa, he would never work in sports again.
So I just want everybody out there to think, when
you say go back to Russia and, by the way,
fight in a war and potentially get yourself killed against Ukraine,
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imagine that he says go back to Africa and fight
in one of your civil wars on your war torn continent.
If you won't wear a gay Pride jersey, the guy
would never work again. So I just want everybody out
there thinking, why is it okay for him to say
go back to Russia? And also buck if this guy
were Muslim and he were deciding to do it, would
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this guy say go back to the Middle East? We
don't want your kind here in this country. If you
won't wear a gay Pride jersey because of your religion,
go back to that backwards country in the Middle East
where you came from. He would never work again either.
So just because he's Russian, why should the standard of
go back to your country not be applied the same
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way that it would if it were Asia or Africa
or the Middle East. Just because he's a white Russian
guy doesn't mean that his perspective is any less valid
than theirs would be. Here is a Canadian journalist who
also had a meltdown because this Flyers player Provarov would
not wear a Pride jersey Play seventeen. I think you
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fire the Flyers a million dollars for this. I'm not kidding.
Figure this out and stop offending people on nights where
it's not about that's supposed to be about inclusivity. Because
what I heard last night was offensive and didn't make
any sense because, for instance, if that was a military night,
if anyone in Canada or in the States on a
military appreciation night wouldn't wear a jersey pregame, do you
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have any idea the uproar that would have happened on
that Nothing scares me more than any human being who
says I'm not doing this because of my religious beliefs,
because when you looked in people's lives, you normally say
that publicly you'd throw up at what you saw. So
don't give me that. First of all. So this is
a sports let me just I just want this is
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this is where I started pulling my hair out when
I saw this happening everywhere. But just to reiterate, this
is a sports program, Like you put this on because
you're like, hey, I wonder if the Toronto Maple Leafs
or the Detroit Red Wings are and I'm just taught,
I'm not an expert in hockey are going to be
able to make a run over the next month. And
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you hear this like it's not only that it's being said, Buck,
it's that the incongruity of where you're hearing it. You're
getting lectured from dudes who otherwise sit around and tell
you whether a guy deserves his contract or not as
a forward on a hockey team. Yes, but this is
this is another instance of go along with an agenda
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that has pushed very much by the left, or else
you're a horrible person who should be fired from your job, canceled, ruined,
and destroyed. And we see how much the shift has
occurred here from let's all just be nice to each other,
let's all be polite. Let's make sure that everyone is
equal under the law. To you better do what we
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say and celebrate what we tell you to celebrate. As
I said yesterday, I don't want to be told to
celebrate anything. Yeah, I don't want to be told about
you would go out there and you know where anything
amga hat. I don't want to be told to go
out there and I have to put a pin. I'm
not a flagpin guy, for example. It's just it's not
because I don't love the flag. I love my country.
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I love the flag, I love my country, but I'm
just not a flagpin guy. Yeah, I don't want to
be told that I have to wear a flagpin, like
you shouldn't have to wear the ribbon, as we all
know from Seinfeld. Yeah, and buck his analogy there that
first of all, a couple of the different things were flawed. One,
if you know, some of the things in the background
of these people would religion, Like people who are religious
are imperfect. That is why many people are religious. Right.
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This idea that if you have any skeletons in your closet,
or if you do things your life that are not
living up to the ideals of religion, you don't have
any basis to embrace a religion is fundamentally the antithesis
of why many people do, in fact embrace religion. So
that's a ridiculous argument. But he then said, oh, well
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he would wear a military jersey that salutes the troops. Well,
that's what you do, right, Like the whole concept of
a jersey is you wear the jersey of something that
you support, right, So, like I am a fan of
the Tennessee Titans. Unfortunately, I would not wear a jersey
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of the Houston Texans because they're a different team, right,
Like you wear the jersey of what you support. And
if and I'm maybe not everybody would agree with me.
But I was talking about this earlier on one of
our OutKick programs. But there used to be a ton
of Quakers in Pennsylvania, right, Like Benjamin Franklin, I believe
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was a Quaker. It's a religious faith that is non
violent in nature. I'm not sure how many Quakers there
still are, but they would get religious exemptions because they
refuse to fight in all wars. Right if this guy
Proverov was instead of Russian Orthodox, if he wore a
Quaker and he came out and said, hey, I understand
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militaries are important to many different people, but because I'm
a Quaker, my religion doesn't allow me to support military.
And he said, I'm not going to wear a military
label on my jersey. As a result, I can't speak
for everyone, but if he explained that, I might not
agree with it, but I wouldn't be like, oh, this
guy has to leave the country. I'd be like, well,
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that's his religious beliefs. People have different religious beliefs. That's
why we were founded as a country for religious want
to know. So if if there's a decision that's made
that everyone has to everyone has to in some act
of solidarity with you know, Trent, with transgender youth. You
have to wear something, right, you have to or you
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have to don some kind of you know, emblem or
symbol of that. A lot of people have issues with
the whole notion of kids being told that they're training
one hundred percent. So do you have to go along
with that or your hole? By the way, the answer
that Democrats and the left would give, including Biden all
left the White House is yes, here's must paint some
into a corner that they can't answer. Buck And this
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is one for all of you out there. What if
the Philadelphia Flyers had decided that they wanted to have
a Christian faith knight and everyone had to wear a
jersey that had a gigantic cross on it. Yep, they
would never say this guy who said go back to Russia.
If a player said, hey, I understand some people are Christian,
I don't feel comfortable wearing a cross because my religious
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faiths are different, I would say, you know, we're a
multi plural society. I understand people who are Christian. I
respect that choice. This guy wouldn't say. He would actually
say that the player who refused to wear the cross
was a hero, he'd be like, well, this is what
you have to do. You can't stay up, like forced
enforced religion would be unacceptable to him. Well, this is
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a religion, right, That's what people haven't realized. Wokeism is
a religion, and this is a form of genuflecting before
that altar is wearing this gay pride. Absolutely, absolutely true.
And it's funny too because he says, you know, can
you imagine if you didn't do military appreciation night, Colin
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Kaepernick became some kind of international you know, civil rights
superstar Nike, you know, headlining, multi multi millionaire on top
of what the NFL had already paid him more money
you'd ever made before in his life because he did
something that obviously was meant to antagonize people who support
the troops in the flag, even though it's about you know,
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injustice or police or racism or whatever. We all know
what it was about. Okay, Yes, that's why he did
it when it was the national anthem. So this notion like, oh,
could you imagine, Yeah, the left would actually cheer for
someone who did that, which is what they did, by
the way, and we're not even talking about somebody. It's
not like he went out there and try to show
some form of disrespect while this was going on. He's
just like, look, I don't want to be a part
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of this. Good point by Ali, our producer. If the
Philadelphia Flyers came out and said, hey, we're supporting police
officers and so we've got some insignia associated with the
police on it, and a player refused to wear that jersey,
then this guy would praise it, right, He'd be like, Oh,
you shouldn't have to support military or police if you
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don't want to. That's not a part of your job.
You're just a hockey player, I mean that. And so
you really paint him into a corner. And what this
is really about is content based discrimination. And that's why
that's why it's so important, I think, to fire back
against these guys. So we've got a request out to
both the NHL Network and to the NHL itself because
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they employ this guy who said he needs to go
back to Russia. Like, what's your perspect if this is
your program that you put this out, you need to
have an answer for whether you think this player should
go back to Russia. Who's been here for since he
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Travis and Buck Sexton. So we had a little fun
before talking about al Gore, who was very close to
being president worth reminding everybody of that at this phase. Wow,
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Clay out, you don't have to give me an in
depth analysis on this. I just from know gut reaction.
Would you rather Biden continue as president for the rest
of this term or do you think al Gore replacing
him would be better or worse? Oh? I think al
Gore would be way better. Just yeah, I think it
would be way better, just because I think that Gore
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is actually capable of thought. Um, and I don't like
I understand this, this whole obsession with climate change is
this is this is lunacy Clay, Okay, this is like
his religion and he's a high priest in it, and
it's a think I think you're you would they would
get rid of plastic bags in Tennessee. They'd come after you, guys.
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I don't think that he would be able to do
anything that they haven't already done on climate related issues.
And I think he's lost his mind. I think this
is the this is the downside in general, Buck, I
would say, with being a public figure for a long
time and not having some dose of reality. It's just
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like does he care about like who wins a college
football game? I think it's a Horton did not get
maniacally focused on any one thing, right, and his thing
is the climate. Like Greta, here he is yesterday saying
that the greatest threat to remember thirty one point four trillion,
We just hit it today. Here. The greatest threat to
the global economy not the rush of Ukraine war, not
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the thirty one trillion, no, no, none of that. It is,
of course, climate change blicklip eight. We live on an
earth that is under siege, and it's costing an increasing
amount each year in the last decade two and a
half trillion dollars, an increase of one trillion over the
previous ten years. In the annual report put out by
the WEFT here in Davos, each year, the greatest threat
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to the global economy is the climate crisis. I just
don't buy it. I look, but here's my thing, And
nobody ever really is able to understand this or I
understand its own word, but like really like dispute it.
If you study the history of the Earth's geology for
a very long time, what you see is that wide
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ranges of temperature occur all of the time, right, like
there are dinosaur bones in far northern Canada because it
used to be and I'm I'm not an expert on
the overall climate, but it used to be like a
you know, swamp and tropical environment in kind in Canada,
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right historically and I'm not talking historically maybe even the
wrong word, because we're talking about maybe geologically. The constant
change of temperature has been one of the biggest parts
of life on the planet. So I just don't buy
that suddenly humans are going to get wiped off the
planet because the climate changes. So I think that it's
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you can make this really simple, because I'll go we
could just play you endless clips of him saying completely insane,
completely insane things on a regular basis, making predictions that
are absolutely wrong, and it doesn't matter, doesn't care, and
so in a sense, what we've seen with COVID, where
people have been completely wrong, took all this power into
their hands, totally wrong, and there's no remorse, there's no apology,
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they just kind of continue going on with this climate
is the area where you've seen something similar to that
the science says, But the science is always wrong, So
why don't we keep listening to the quote science. I'm
here in Miami right now, Clay. If I went up
to somebody, because if you look at An Inconvenient Truth,
the Al Gore movie, you remember, Florida goes underwater very
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very soon. I've never even watched An Inconvenient Truth. I
should probably go watch it. It's so bad. It's so bad.
I had a college girlfriend when I was back in college.
She was liberal and she made me watch it, and
it's terrible. But anyway, if I went up to somebody
who had beachfront property here in down in Florida and
I said, look, I got a great I got a
(30:51):
great opportunity for you. Your house is gonna be underwater
in the next ten to fifteen years. We know this
because of the science. I will give you a twenty
five percent offer on the current value of your house
right now, no questions asked. I think I could do
that for literally every resident with beachfront property here in
Florida and not get a single not get a single person,
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no matter what their politics are, who they vote for,
or how much they say they're worried about climate and
climate change is gonna melt the world, Not a single
one of them would take me up on that, because
they don't actually believe it. This is a thing with
climate change. They just want the benefit of the pretense
of the belief without actually having to live the lifestyle
or go through any of this. It's always somebody else
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who has to bear the cost of the action necessary
to keep all of this going right. Somebody else has
to make the sacrifices. I love looking the whole Davos thing,
where you fly on a private jet, often get picked
up by a helicopter once you land your private jet
to go talk about how threatening climate change is is
(31:59):
absurdly hypocritically ridiculous. But your point on Miami is a
good one. I would just go out to la every
single day. It feels like, certainly every month there is
a massive new record cell in Malibu on the beach
beachfront properties going for dollar figures that are through the roof.
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Yet when I put on the oscars to the extent
that I do, because I'm not sure I saw any
of the movies that are gonna be OSCAR nominated this year,
A decent number of those actors and actresses that get
up and speak about how danger the climate is in
the world will either have the people who fund their
movies having bought Malibu beach houses or own one themselves.
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If you truly believe, I'll be honest with you, one
of the first things I did when I sold my
company buck was by beachfront property down on the Florida
Gulf Coast to build a home down there. I don't
believe that that home is ever going to be in
danger because of the rising oceans. Neither of the people
buying homes in Malibu. Because if you did what I'm
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sold for one hundred million dollars recently, Buckets on the beach,
and you could even say, well, okay, well fine, maybe
they just want the house for the next ten years
and they'll roll the dice on the rest of it. Okay,
I'll buy land, sell me undeveloped beach front land in Malibu,
because you know that'll take a long to have to
build a house. I'll have to do the I'll take
that thirty year bet right now. I'll take that thirty
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year bet. Not a single person will actually do it. Nobody,
nobody is willing to individually pay the price of their
pseudo convictions when it comes to climate change and the
fact that people worship this child, Greta Fundberg. I guess
she's like eighteen now, right, but it's basically still a kid.
Doesn't know anything and think that she's that They treat
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her as some kind of symbol of wisdom on this.
The same people who say shut up and listen to
Fauci and all the doctors because they're experts, the same
people tell you shut up and listen to Greta Fundberg.
She understands the climate. Greta Fundberg couldn't do my Algebra
one homework from high school. But I'm going to listen
to her about the global economy and how we're all
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gonna die unless we listen to her like this. There
is a mass hysteria that has spread on issues like this,
and particularly on climate change. I've talked to people think.
I've had people approached me and say, you know, you
seem pretty reasonable and everything else. You know, some wealthy
people in New York. This has happening before. They say,
but I mean you don't believe in climate change. They
look at me like I'm crazy. Yeah, and they and
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they think that that's some kind of marker of intelligence. Oh,
believing in climate change means you're a smart person, based
on what buck Every story that has to do with
weather in the last decade, every one of them now
must mention climate change in its article about weather. In
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the nineteen eighties, it was cold and some hot. I love.
I do love late at night if I'm gonna watch
something I love to watch, you know, uh, any of
those old like you know, the nature programs like oh
and like the sea lion is going through the ocean
and oh no, the part of Orcas has arrived, you know,
the whole thing in Richard Attenborough. Um. Every time now
(35:19):
you watch any natural pro nature programming, they'll be like, oh,
this this fish species is declining because of the ravages
of climate change. Every single time you can't watch one
without that happening. And so I'm angry at them about that. Too,
because they're ruining what should be. I mean, can we
can we just watch like lions chase gazelles without getting
(35:40):
someone's lunatic politics thrown in the knicks? By the way,
here what we have Greta. Do you want to hear
the Gretta audio? We have Greta audio. I want her
to go to China and and and I want her
to walk herself to a gate at a Chinese factory
to protest Chima climate change. That's what I'm calling on
Greti Thundberg to do. Play clip twenty. Oh oh, I
thought we had I thought we had it. Sorry, well,
(36:02):
we'll get to Greta when we come back. But she
just got arrested, and sure enough, this is where she's
gonna be safe again. Here's the other thing I can.
I can I point out what what just happened? Just
over notes. This is problem with live radio. Our team
sent me Greta is twenty, and I assume they meant, oh,
we have the audio. It's clipped twenty, but she's actually
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years twenty years old, now I understand, which is no
longer a teenager. She's a she's a she's a very
well seasoned twenty year old right now, I will just
point this out too, in addition to every time there
is an article now about any climate issue they mentioned
and you just said on the health, on the you know,
nature shows they've been taking. My wife used to make
(36:47):
fun of this because all sometimes listen to history books
on on like audio book when we're driving around, and
she just rolls her eyes the amount of time they
spend talking about the weather in any history book. It's like, oh,
we had a horrible storm, and then that impact like, well,
there's kind of been a big deal for a long time.
And so this idea that every single time there is
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a unique weather event that is worthy of being covered
as a story, that you have to discuss the climate change.
Yet simultaneously, what will they say, buck about any time
a twenty year old drops dead all of a sudden.
You can't mention that there might be anything other than
normal everyday life that this is involved in. Right, can
mention the COVID shot, But every single time there's a
(37:28):
weather incident, you have to mention the climate. We can
definitely mention the thirty one trillion dollars in debt, and
we're going to keep mentioning it because a lot of
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Lots of original non airing on the radio content coming
to the podcast feed. You're gonna love it. We join
now by our buddy Alex Berenson for the latest on
the COVID shot data and Alex yesterday on your sub stack,
very alarming data that is coming out. We've moved from
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I think everybody basically acknowledges, generally speaking, that the COVID
shot does not do anywhere near what it was promised
to do, and at best has some small prophylactic value
for a relatively short period of time, three or four
months after a shot is GI and then now it's
moving from it doesn't do very much the story Alex
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to there may be actual harm done by these shots.
What can you tell us about the latest data? Is
that an accurate trajectory of how you would assess the
narrative surrounding these shots. Well, I mean I would say
that the people who defended them would still insist that
they that they reduce severe disease and death. I mean,
(40:26):
that's the claim that that that no, they don't stop
in faction. No they don't stop transmission. Yeah, you might
even be at somewhat higher risk or being infected if
you've gotten a bunch of boosters in the in the
omicron era. But they do stop severe disease and death,
and you know, and to and to make that case,
they rely on a bunch of data that um, that's
(40:46):
that that that I could go through and sort of
explain why it's problematic. But but that would take the
whole segment. So instead, let me let me talk about
why I'm more concerned right now than I you know,
and I think I talking to you now for almost
two years. Do you hear when I think things are
you know, getting better? You hear when I think things
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are getting worse. I certainly a few months ago thought
I really thought we were we were probably coming out
of this and h And now I'm much more concerned
than I was. And the reason is it's twofold. It's
when you look at some of the all cosmotality in others.
The one number that truly can't be faked is how
(41:27):
many people are dying. Right if you're in the United
States or you're in Europe, you're really almost anywhere in
the world with a with a functioning government, they count
births and they count death okay, and those numbers, you know,
some places report them more quickly and others the US
actually doesn't do that good a job of reporting quickly.
But in places that for most of last year, in
(41:48):
places that used the advanced vaccines, especially the mr Anda
vaccines which are the fires are in Materna vaccines, excess
deaths have been running hot okay, non COVID mostly, And
that's not what anybody expected when this whole thing began.
They thought, Hey, there's going to be a bunch of
old six people who die from COVID. And then for
a couple of years, we're probably going to actually pretty
(42:08):
low deaths because the people who died from COVID were
very sick and likely to die in the next six
months to two years anyway. And that's not what's happened.
We've had a lot of extra deaths, and in the
last couple of weeks actually the numbers have gone way
up again, to the point in Europe where they're as
bad as they were really at any time in the
(42:29):
COVID era. And remember when Italy, when a few countries
in Europe had bad excess deaths in March twenty twenty,
we shut the world down. It was a really big deal.
And now this is just sort of happening and we're
basically the media is ignoring it. Okay, but the numbers
are real. You can find them yourself if you know
where to look. They're publicly reported, and they're bad, and
(42:51):
no one has a good explanation for that. Well, Alex,
that's the next thing I want to ask you is
do do you have a theory or a set of
theories as to what is going on that's producing this
very obviously troubling data. Yeah, So so okay, I mean,
so you can say, well, this is delayed medical care.
But that doesn't make any sense at this point. You know,
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we're sort of two years out from the lockdowns, like that,
why now, why would this be happening now? Or you
can say, well, this is long COVID, except when you
actually try to find a mechanism that makes any sense
for long COVID, you can't find one. And there's data showing,
for example, that when you have mild COVID, very big
study that came out a few weeks ago out of Israel.
They looked at a lot of people who'd had mild
COVID and compared them to a lot of people who
(43:34):
didn't and guess what, in the next year, the people
who had COVID but not a severe case and the
people who didn't have COVID had basically exactly the same
number of possiblizations over the next twelve months. Okay, so,
so long COVID. I mean, it does not really make
sense to me as an explanation. So what do we know.
We know that we vaccinated an enormous number of people
(43:55):
with these vaccines that we didn't have long term safety
data on. And now we get to the second part
of this, why this is concerning. We are now finding
out that these vaccines seem to cause immune system changes
that were not predicted, that we didn't expect. And there's
two very good papers, both of which came out of
Germany in the last month, showing that after you get
(44:16):
the mr anda is your immune system essentially stopped really
trying to fight part of the covid uh, part of
the coronavirus. Okay, I'm simplifying and exaggerating, but you make
antibodies to the coronavirus, and over time you start to
(44:37):
make more and more of a kind of antibody that
isn't very good at fighting the coronavirus. And the theory is,
although I don't think we know why yet for sure,
the theory is because the vaccines are so good at
getting your immune system redded up early on, it eventually
has to downregulate. It's like it's like it's like if
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you flood the engine, you know eventually you're going to
burn it out, and so you have to lay off.
And that seems to be a problem that was not anticipated,
at least not by the company. And then there's this
paper and this is why you know, that's why you
guys asked me on today a paper that came out
of China just a few weeks ago showing that when
(45:18):
people had went to people when they gave mice repeated
injections of a version of a COVID vaccine after the
fourth shot, but in the fifth and six shots, essentially
their immune systems collapsed against COVID. Now, people are gonna
say it's mice, it's true. They're gonna say this is
not the COVID vaccine we get in the United States,
(45:40):
it's not the mRNA. That's true. They're gonna say it's
a fifth shot and a sixth shot. That's true. So
I'm not saying that this proves that this is happening
in the United States. What I'm saying is, against this
backdrop of this big problem with excess mortality and the
fact that COVID hasn't gone away, we're getting more and
more evidence that these vaccines on a cellular level are
(46:03):
doing stuff that we didn't expect and that we probably
don't want. How scared would you be if you'd gotten
five or six COVID shots? Oh, I mean, if I've
gotten five or six, I'd I'd be nervous. At this point,
I don't think that's a good idea. I think the
booster campaign should essentially be halted at this point because,
and here's the thing, there's no upside. Okay, at best,
(46:25):
you're getting some extra antibodies that last a matter of
weeks and don't work very well against omicrons. So why
are we doing this to ourselves? The core that we
don't want to have happen is we know the antibody's
switch is happening. Okay, we know this, and we know
also that the anybody's that the vaccines boods don't work
that way later omicron, you still have T cells, Okay,
(46:46):
you still have this back line of defense that if
your cells get infected, the T cells go and attack
those cells and prevent the virus from replicating out of control. Okay,
you have to have key cells, right, And what we
don't want to do is follow a course of action
that causes those to burn out. And that should be
(47:08):
where the focus of the public health and the vaccine coming.
We should be talking about this openly and figuring out
if that's a list right now. I don't think that's
too much an ask for Alex. And we're speaking to
Alex Barrenson. You can all subscribe to his sub stack.
Alex Is there is there any historical precedent for this
(47:30):
kind of of taking a shot again and again and
again to create an immune system boost like this that
has ended up working out very well with a high
level of efficacy. I mean, is this totally uncharted territory?
Totally totally uncharted. I mean, you can compare it to
the flu vaccine, and that's not really a great comparison
(47:52):
for the people who want to do this, right, I mean,
people people have been pressed to get the flu vaccine aggressively.
For the last twenty years. We give out a lot
more flu shots than we used to. I shouldn't even
call a vaccine. Really, they don't even call a vaccine.
It doesn't work very well, and the number of flu
disks in the last thirty or forty years has actually
increased dramatically. So the flu vaccine doesn't work very well. Okay,
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but at least we know how the flu vaccine works. Okay,
it's a pretty straightforward vaccine. The covid vaccine we're now
learning doesn't work very well either, except it has all
these other issues that we didn't anticipate and it works
in a completely different way than the flu vaccine. So no,
there is no precedent for what we've done in the
(48:36):
last two years. Alex. What's scary about this is the
I would say risk profile of the COVID shots continue
to get worse, and the risk reward obviously continues to
get worse. How much worse can it get? And as
a tie in with that, is there good data on
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all cause mortality from countries that did not give a
lot of COVID shots. Those tend I would imagine to
be more Third world countries and in generality and maybe
their data is not as reliable. But in let's say,
poor African countries, does there seem to be also a
higher rate of death in those countries like we would
see in England or Israel or the United States? Great,
(49:22):
great question, And I've been trying to find that data
and I have not been able to find it for
exactly the reason you say these are they're poor countries
and they report this stuff slow when they report it
at all. That China would actually be a really good
um place to it, because China, you know, has a
pretty modern economy anyway, and and probably collect stuff. But
as we know, we can't really trust the Chinese data
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on a national level that much. So there is some
I will say Eastern Europe, there are some countries that
are reporting relatively low death in the last you know,
the last or nine months or so, a country like Bulgaria,
so those has bad COVID waves worse than Western Europe
to be, to be frank with you, they didn't use
a lot of the mr Anda vaccines but seems less
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so that so that is, that's the one place I
can point to and say, this is sort of what
I would expect to see if it's the vaccines that
are causing the problem. But if you're asking in a
worldwide basis, I've been trying to find that data and
I have not been able to find it yet. Alice,
when you see people sharing stories news stories about young
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athletic individuals, some professional athletes, some are high school athletes,
whatever the case may be, at heart trouble, how much
of this do you think is in any way tied
to the vaccine based on the data right now versus now,
everyone every time they see somebody who's younger, who's an
athlete and has any heard issue, there is this there's
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a jump to conclusion that happens. I think it's a
lot of the latter. I mean, I think we just
don't know in any individual case. I mean, you can look,
there are certain cases very rare, and I don't think
that you know, we're not talking about tomor Hamlet here.
We're talking about, you know, like a handful of cases
where people have gotten vaccine, they've gone to the you know,
(51:09):
er with myocarditis, they've died. Autopsies have been done and
they showed that that myocarditis was conclusively linked to the
vaccine the based on sort of like the profile of
the inflammatory response and other things. But that is not
what's happening in the big cases. And look, I've been criticized,
you know, and I know I know you have too,
for um, you know, for for occasionally pointing these cases
(51:33):
out and saying what happened here? But what I think
is happening the bigger question is, Look, I can find
you a story from the last couple of days showing
that hospitals in England have been overrun. Okay, I can
point you the government data release this morning from Scotland
that Scotland had more death last week than I think
in the last twenty years. You have to go back
(51:53):
to two thousand to find when they had more than
two thousand deaths in a week. Okay, so people are
aware broadly that the vaccines didn't work as promised, and
they're starting to be aware that there's something going on
with excess death and I needed the refusal of government
health authorities to deal with this in an honest way.
That's causing the conspiracy theories. All right, Let's pretend last
(52:16):
question for you, Alex. Let's pretend President Ron De Santis
was in office right now and he was willing to
look at this data as he has been in Florida.
What should the government do? Let's pretend Joe Biden suddenly
got Jesus and brought you in and said, hey, you're right,
COVID is a disaster. These shots. What should the government
do in an ideal world right now? Right now? We
(52:38):
got to find out the impact of this IgG for
a class switch, this antibody class switch. We need to
figure out, you know who this is happening to the
most and sort of try to look perspectively at whether
or not they're getting sicker. We need to look at
the various causes of all cause mortality. You know what's
driving the extra mortality in the US and elsewhere, and
(53:00):
I to find out, you know, are people who got
four shots more likely to be in this group. There's
a lot of really complicated epidemiology and there's complicated basic
cellular work that needs to happen. But there we can
get some answers to this. And in the meantime, what
I would say is, you know, if Rondes Saylors are
in charge, I bet you we'd be suspending the booster campaigns.
And that would be a good thing right now, because again,
(53:22):
you know what Bucks said, There's there's no good, there's
no reward here, there's only risk of doing this at
this point. Thank you, Alex. We're going to keep updated,
tell people to check out the sub stack as always,
and we appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. Guys,
it's Alex Berenson and that is alarming. We'll discuss break
it down a little bit more for you. In the meantime.
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