September 14, 2023 • 50 mins
Hunter Biden indicted on three gun charges. Bidenonmics is not rooted in reality. Single-parent homes suffer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
All Right, the big breaking news play is over there
doing some backflips. I didn't even know he could do backflips.
He's very simple, a very agile fellow. Hunter Biden indicted
on federal gun charges. The indictment this is from NBC News.
The indictment against the President's son comes after a plea
agreement on tax and gun charges fell apart in July
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amid a probe of his finances by House Republicans. The
two counts are tied to I guess they wait, they say,
it's let me see, is it two counts or three?
K Well, they say here, two counts are tied to
Biden allegedly filing a form that he was not an
a legal drug user when he purchased a cult cobra
in October of twenty eighteen. Third count is that he
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possessed a firearm while using a narcotic. The problem with
trying to fight that charge is, I think he basically
has like video or photos of him with mounds of cocaine,
waving a gun around with prostitute.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's gonna be gonna be tough to convince people that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
He also admitted it in his book that he was
drug at I mean, like he is basically admitted that
he violated these these laws.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Now, now here's where, here's where this is gonna really
where the rubber is really gonna meet the road, Hunter
Biden is. You got a lot of things coming together here.
We talked about earlier in the week. I said this
with the ignacious piece, You're gonna have to see the
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snowball effect. It's gonna have to be an avalanche. It's
gonna have to be the movement of many simultaneous pieces.
Nancy Pelosi kind of said, no, no, no, no, no, we're not
We're not doing it. She kind of slapped that down.
And the last time she was on air, uh you know,
speaking to uh CNN. But here we have a moment
that creates considerable weakness for the president politically if this
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should go forward and be our problem. Here's how I
see this though playing out.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm just gonna put this out there because right right now,
I understand there's there's a lot riding on this one.
Because if Hunter actually gets prosecuted, taking into court and
it is facing prison time, we'd go back. You know,
you you extended your bet. It didn't happen last year.
You said you thought it would happen this year. I
said it didn't definitely happen last year, but you know
I thought it wasn't gona happen this year. Again, Here's
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what I think they're gonna do. They're gonna go into
negotiations over this. They're going to push the trial back,
and Joe Biden's going to say, see, the justice system
is working, even my own son faces justice. They're going
to turn up the pressure even more on and Donald
Trump is not only going to be tried, he should
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go to prison, and they are going to stay with Biden.
That is how I think this still plays out. What
are you seeing here right now on this one? Meaning,
I don't think Hunter Biden sees the inside of a
prison cell because Dad's gonna pardon him one way or
another before that could ever happen.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So my initial read on this was that Merrick Garland
would need to charge Hunter Biden in order to charge
Donald Trump, and that he would argue and doing so
that people can go back and listen, we said this
years ago that he would say, you're not above the law.
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Whether you're the former president of the United States or
the current president's son, the law, there are consequences. Merrick
Garland tried to sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Deal this thing.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Totally totally tried to sweetheart deal this thing. They worked
it through and here's what happened. Judge nor Yaika, wait,
I know what you're gonna get the judge nor Yaka high five?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Can I just throw this to the clay. Think about this.
If you're a hundred is team, they were yes inches.
I mean, this was diving into the end zone with
the football to win the game for them, and they
came up two inches short.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So a couple of things. One the House, let's give
credit here.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
People say, okay, what does it matter if you win
the House or you win the Senate. The House developed
all of this evidence, including the public testimony of the
IRS agents. I think if Shapley and the other guy's
name who I'm forgetting, if they don't come forward and
tell the story of the rig job of this investigation,
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then the Department of Justice would not have been humiliated
and called out in what is clearly a sweetheart deal
that they.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Had put together.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So the evidence that was developed by the House allowed
this story to get out, and then Judge Noriyaika read
all this, knew all this, saw it, and said, I'm
not rubber stamping this deal. To your point, Buck, they
expected when they walked into that courtroom that they were
free and clear and that Hunter Biden was going to
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have no consequences. And I said, this is what I
argued should happen if Noriyaeika stood up and no, that
they would need to a point of special counsel.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Which is what happened. And now there are charges being fault.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And this is important, Buck, because the charges being filed,
it ends any concern at least on these charges for
this running out right, for the statute of limitations passing yes,
and for their not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Being able to be any charges brought. I will throw
this out there. I am not convinced that the fix
is not still in. They have filed the indictment. What
happens now, what's the negotiation over this? How long does
it take? When would the trial be? If I'm Hunter Biden,
I either take a plea that is no jail time.
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Oh and then I can have my dad pardon me
so I can keep my law license. Et cetera, et cetera,
or I extended out so that I don't see the
courtroom in time for Dad to pardon me from the
whole thing. Anyway, Yeah, we got a lot that we
need to discuss. Let me also mention this as we
go to break, to come back and talk about it.
The other big aspect here, what's going to happen with
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the tax charges?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Next?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Big Time News.
If you're just getting in your car, appreciate everybody who's
been hanging out for the first couple of hours. We've
got major breaking news just came down the last twenty
minutes or so. Hunter Biden has been charged with three
felonies relating to lying on gun ownership forms. There still
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remains all of the felony tax charges that are out there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I still want to.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Say, while this is important because the indictment means that
we don't have to worry about, uh, whether the statute
of limitation is gonna run out, there still are those
tax charges and there needs to be felony charges filed
for those as well.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I believe we're going to be joined by Miranda Devine
at the bottom of this hour to break down much
of this and Andy McCarthy potentially uh at yep.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We're putting out the Andy Andy bat signal on on
this one. And okay, we discussed just for anyone who's
joining us, three fell three charges their felony charges against
Hunter byden having to do with possession of a firearm
while a user of a controlled substance, a legal controlled substance,
and also lying on the Federal background form. When you
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buy clay, you've never You've never bought a gun, have you?
Have you ever gone through this process? And when you
know I have not, No, I have not. Yeah, so
when you go through it, I mean I've done it.
It's actually funny. Now you don't have an iPad, but
you go and you click and you say, you say,
I know, I swear under penalty of perjury, and you're
actually it's a federal document and the at F and
federal government are checking their their NICKS system, the National
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Instant Background Check System. Anyway they do these things. There's
a process and Hunter is now facing these three indicas. Okay,
hold on a second. Let's let's take a look at
what we have said this week, because this is a moment.
We don't want to get ahead of where we are.
The ignacious column drops.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Washington Post stud columnists, their guy says he shouldn't run.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think you maybe the first person in history to
described data ignacious as a stud.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But I know it's well to the extent that anybody
in the Washington Post firmament like they're uh the day
one starter.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
This is there this, that's right. He is a for
the Washington Post columnists that he is QB one. Okay,
so uh you like that, by the way, that's good,
very good one. Yeah, well done. So here's where we are.
He laid it out. He said, we do this within
a month or it doesn't happen. Yes, you and I
have been saying this for months. There's a timeline here,
right the people who are you know, if someone's going
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to email us the middle of December and say, guys,
any moment now, it's like, actually no, because it can't
because you're effectively seeding critical states to the Republicans because
you won't be able to get on the ballot in
those states with the candidate who has not yet been
declared and gone through that process, right, So there is
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a timeline here. What we said about the ignacious thing
was it can't just be the ignacious column. Keep an
eye out. We said this about the View and CNN.
Take a look and see if there are other voices
that all jump in and decide.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It is time, right, it is time to do this now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The timing here of the gun charge, the ignacious column,
and the fact that this is the eleventh hour to
make this kind of switch means that I don't know.
I would say that I don't think it will happen,
but there may be a palace coup attempt of sorts
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underway within the Democrat Party. There may be a real effort.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right now, we talked about this in a big way.
Let's start with the Washington Post column. That is not
I understand people out there like, I don't know why
you care about this column. The Washington Post column, editorial page.
Every single person of any prominence in Washington d c.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Reads it every year.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
This is it's provda for Beltwegh Democrats. This is this
is this sets the talking points for the big p party.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So they would not write this story.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Sometimes columnist, I've been a columnist full time job before buck.
Sometimes you are reacting to what happened in the twenty
four hours before. Maybe you're reacting in the forty eight
or seventy two hours before. This is a column that
they have been planning four months, and they waited until
after Labor Day to drop this. You don't say on
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the Washington Post editorial board if you are this columnist,
Joe Biden shouldn't run without this being debated, discussed and
talked about four months.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They chose this timing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Also, Joe Biden is being impeached same exact week they know,
so that the House is coming back into session, It's
not crazy to think that Republicans are going to move.
We have the impeachment inquiry underway, and now you have
felony charges being brought against Hunter Biden. I would want
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all of you out there to think about this. It
is Joe Biden's Department of Justice that is bringing felony
charges against Hunter Biden. Do you think the Washington Post
didn't know this was going to happen?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Do you think we had on this show? Why? He
said a week ago? Bys it September twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ninth, Right, he said that there were going to be
gun charges and it was going to happen this month,
so everyone technically knew.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I think they knew the day that it was
going to happen, because you don't draft a felony indictment
of the president's son without everybody in the Department of
Justice knowing that the president's son is about to be
indicted for felony charges.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So I think this.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Would have been well known in the Department of Justice,
and also in like Joe Biden didn't find out, He'll
probably claim that he did. When then when Karree John
Pierre gets questioned, they'll be like, what did the president
find out that his son was going to be indicted? Oh,
he found out on the news, just like all of
you b s. The president's son doesn't get indicted by
his own Department of Justice without the president knowing it's happening.
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So I can see how this confluence of events, and
I do not think it is I would not say
it is a coincidence. I think there's a real possibility here.
I don't know, Clay that the Washington Post was thinking
about dropping this months in advance as an entity, but
I'm sure there were discussions about the timing of it
in the last few weeks. You know, I think that
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they Again, my theory would be Ignacious is known for
a couple It's not like he suddenly decided two weeks
ago that Biden needs to step down. He's been thinking
about it for months. I bet he's been talking about
with his editors. They said, okay, if you want to
do it, we don't want to do it till after
Labor Day when everybody starts to pay attention, because this
is kind of a bombshell opinion to share.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So here's how this is going to go.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think, and I mean I don't mean oh, a
year from now, I mean right now, you're going to
see either the Democrat apparatus all of a sudden. It's
like domino start to fall. This is what we and
we said this could happen based on the Ignacious column.
That was before we knew there was going to be
this Hunter Biden indictment. You could see all of a
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sudden CNN and others. Now, I'll say, the Washington Post
headline on this, and the headline matters is Hunter Biden
indicted on gun charges. A setback for President's family after
plea deal fell apart, that to me is not thrown
under the bus. That is still holding back the possibility
here that they're going to do what I think they're
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going to do, which is Joe Biden will say something
or they'll put out you Knowree Jean Pierre, the White House, whomever.
They'll say something like, we, uh, you know, one hundred
deserves his day in court. He has a presumption of innocence.
We will let the process play out. And this shows
that no one is above the law, including Donald Trump.
They're going to always try to tie that in whenever
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they can, right because they I've been saying this as well.
They want to throw Trump in prison. Trust me, if
they're gonna even go through the indicting the son of Hunter,
of Joe Biden situation, they are more than willing in
this Biden doj to try to actually put Donald Trump
in a cell.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But put that aside for a second. It's gonna be so.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't think that this necessarily means it's game over
for Hunter's effort to stay out of prison and to
basically get away with the memory. He's already gotten away
with the fair violations, and there's some stuff that the
statutes run out on I think that they'll just say,
let the process play out, and this thing gets delayed,
and then the question is just Joe Biden whether this
politically in the meantime, Joe Biden, Let's remember, everybody very
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adept at using personal tragedy for political convenience. He's very
good at playing the sympathy card. He may say my
son is an addict. How many out there know what
that is? Like, I did my best for my son.
I cannot wash away all of his sins he is facing.
Just you know, I don't want to give him any ideas,
but I'm saying this is kind of what I could
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see Joe Biden doing the change when And this would
be clay if you hear the big voices in the
Democrat Party say Joe Biden needs to tend to family
matters and his age is such a concern and it's
time we look elsewhere. If that happens, the dominoes all fall,
and you've got a very I but that hasn't happened yet,
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and I still don't believe it will.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
They will all get asked now, you know how, when
you're walking around in the halls of Congress, and somebody
has said something and the media member runs up and
they say, you know, it's got like a game of telephone.
Did you see so and so said so and so?
Do you have a comment on it? They'll all get
asked about this. Now here is my crazy idea. Potentially,
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Buck does Biden now that his son is charged, and
I think he's going to get charged in the taxes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now I think he will get charged for tax fell
on these two.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Now, to be fair, this thing will not happen until
twenty twenty four. The felony tax charges are still going
to come, I think as well. Okay, I think they
took off fifteen and sixteen if I remember correctly, off
the boards.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That was the worst of the possible tax charges.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yes, but I think there's still felony tax charges outstanding
that could be brought in seventeen eighteen. And that's the
pressure that still needs to be brought, not just the
gun charges. And it is interesting that they didn't bring
those simultaneously. I'd be curious to hear why that was.
It could be that they think that the location for
those charges needs to be California. I'm not sure where
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Hunter Biden was domiciled in seventeen or eighteen just that
that's legal procedural questions. But because I think the goal
of the Special Council was to allow him to bring
charges in either place.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm like the audience here, what's your crazy idea. Let's
hear it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Crazy idea is Biden comes out, pardons his on and
Trump and says, I'm still running.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That may be the craziest thing you've ever said on
the show. I think that you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Tell me if this is not look again, don't think
about it as a partisan.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
If you are Joe Biden and you want to continue
the idea that you are a unit or not a divider,
that you're trying to heal the country, tell me that
one of his advisors could not write a speech. Joe
Biden walks out says, in the interest of making America healed,
I am going to pardon Donald Trump's Remember this is
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the this is the angle on it that I think
would still have some cogency. He can only pardon him
for federal charges. So it would just take off DC
and UH and South Florida. It would still allow the
prosecution in New York and in New York.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Has no teeth and Georgia doesn't happen. I think we
agree until after the election anyway, so.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It doesn't, but the state charges would still be standing.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But my point on it is the only way that
he can pardon Hunter without destroying his own political viability
going forward is I think if he also pardoned Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You and I see this differently. He just says the justice.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
This is the guy who always this is the guy
who talked about again and I don't want to be
insensitive here, but he would leverage the tragedy of losing
a wife and daughter in a car accident for years,
and then he leveraged the tragedy of bo Biden dying
from brain cancer and lie. He lied about both of
those things. He said that his wife was killed by
a drunk driver, which was not true. He said Bo
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Biden gave his life in service in a rock, which
was not true. He drive a brain tombor very sad,
but now it's going to be my son is a
crack addict. This is the America we live in. He
made bad mistake, you know, he made bad decisions and
he will pay for them. He will face justice.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But what really is gonna happen is they're gonna delay it,
They're gonna wait, and they're gonna see. And if Joe
Biden wins, he doesn't care about what the what the
judge of the people will be in December if he
pardons his own son, so he doesn't go to prison.
But and if Joe Biden loses, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You see it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So I don't see I think the Democrat Party does.
Because remember, as soon as Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon,
he effectively gave the Democrats the White House in nineteen
seventy six. That's why Jimmy Carter won. That was the
right decision gerald Ford made to pardon Richard Nixon for
the country, but he basically rode off his chance of winning.
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And that wasn't his family member. I think if Joe
Biden pardons Hunter Biden, just Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But you but deal with what I'm saying, which is
that he won't have to even pardon him for a year.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I agree, but I'm saying even if he won reelection.
Let's pretend Joe Biden wins in twenty twenty four and
then he comes out and he says, I'm going to
pardon Hunter. I think it would destroy I think Joe
Biden would if he pardons Hunter. I think it would
destroy him forever.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Politically. I don't think he cares. He's like one hundred
years old.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But I think the Democrat Party does because it because
then it destroyed.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I really think you have no principles to protect Clay.
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I don't think that you have never seen It's something
to think about because I don't think we've ever seen
a president somebody do research on that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean Trump, Trump, I believe, pardon Jared Kushner's father
from felony conviction. After you know, there are a bunch
of Trump pardons at the end that where people were like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah about it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I think that's different in terms of like your direct
blood relative. Has any president ever pardoned a son or
daughter for a felony conviction or to avoid a felony
conviction in the history of the units. I'd also say this,
Clay a big part of what the Republicans are running
on right now, and everyone has said this out loud.
Who's got big megaphones in the conservative media. Trump can
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pardon himself if he wins, and that shit, we're so
if we're running on the Trump can pardon himself if
he wins. I don't think Democrats care if Biden wins
and he pardons his son, because he's gonna say it
was a political hitchob or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I just I don't. I think I think it will see.
We'll see in the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Is Biden no longer politically viable and Democrats are making
that decision. I think that they still think he's their
only hope.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think that he can this guy Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
The fact that he's president is an exercise in defying
the laws of like rationality, of of what is reasonable,
of what is decent, of what is saying. I don't
think he thinks he's done after this. Hey, well, let's
let's see. We got we got random divine. She'll be
with us in a few moments. It's funny. We're gonna
have Andy and Andy was on Fox, so technically I
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guess he can't do two hits simultaneously. But uh well,
we'll we'll talk to more people about this. I leave
open the possibility that the Palace coup could happen and
this could be a part of it. I still think
Joe Biden pushes through this, and I look, I fig
your idea, Clay. I don't even know what to say.
If you're right and Joe Biden did that, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think it might win him the presidency. That would
be the I mean, but the only way.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Most could only way he could pardon his son and
actually benefit from it. That's the way that I'm thinking.
How can you get what you want and benefit from it.
That's the only way. That party would absolutely lose.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Their minds if Joe Biden parton Donald Trump. I mean,
I'm talking about like they would burn down cities across
the country. They would absolutely lose their minds if Joe
Biden parton Donald Trump, like dogs and cats living together,
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all right, let's let's we'll take some of your calls
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Speaker 1 (23:26):
He's Fuck Sexton, He's Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Together they're breathing sanity into an insane world. It's Thursday, everybody.
Welcome to Clay and Buck. We got a lot to
talk to you about today on the program.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
First off, Nancy Palosi changing history or changing the rules,
which one I guess it actually could be both, because
it looks like she changed the rules and she's trying
to change history about impeachments. We shall discuss that in
a little bit. Is Kamala ready for running the country.
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Pelosi was also asked about that we've got a Trump
Meghan Kelly interview with some interesting exchanges specifically on COVID
and vaccines, which I think we will have some time
for sure to dive into here. And we've also got
some of the latest on where the polls stand, where
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the race is stand. But I actually want to take
a step back for a second, because you're often hearing
and Clinton. I both read an editorial in the Wall
Street Journal today about this. You'll hear about Bidenomics, and
essentially the argument that is being made is, since we
aren't in a horrific recession with mass layoffs and a
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stock market down thirty percent or more or something, since
it isn't pure economic devastation out there, iiden has somehow
done a good job. That's that's a very charitable reading
to put it mildly of what's actually going on. So
what this piece looks at is based on Census data. Again,
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this is this from the Wall Street Journal. And here
let me let me give this quote to everybody. Biden's
trying to avoid the real story, which is that the
Census Bureau says median household income adjusted for inflation fell
last year by one thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars
is seventy four thousand, five hundred and eighty It is
down three thousand, six hundred and seventy dollars from twenty nineteen.
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And households in the fourth income quintile making between ninety
four and one hundred and fifty three thousand dollars lost
forty six hundred dollars in twenty twenty two and sixty
seven one hundred dollars since twenty nineteen. When you're looking
at real household income, people are on an annualized basis
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thousands of dollars poorer than they were before Biden was
in charge. A huge part of this play, clearly is inflation,
which is chewing away at the wages of people who
live on wages. It's different than people who own a
lot of assets that can function as a you know,
if you own the properties. Right, you can raise the
(26:22):
rents as inflation goes up, but if you're wage dependent,
people are getting hurt by this. I think the only
point that Biden can make at this phase, or the
only way that they can try to sell people on Bidenomics,
is the usual class warfare junk. Right, it's about the
billionaires and you know they're whatever, which that's just that
just relies on envy and economic illiteracy. The other option
(26:46):
is to say, well, I didn't steer us right into
a depression, did I.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
That's pretty much where we are.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
This is this is where the crux of this lies
because people get confused when you say, oh, inflation I
think was up three point nine percent over last year.
People don't experience inflation year over year three point seven, yeah,
three point seven. They look at it in the context
of what's their actual buying power. And that's what I've
(27:14):
tried to keep hammering home. And I give credit to
the Wall Street Journal because I read this this morning
and I said, Okay, this really crystallizes it. If you
feel like you legitimately have less money in your pocket
than you did before Joe Biden became president, you're not
making that up. Again, the numbers here buck the average
(27:35):
median income, So right, median, correct me if I'm wrong
on this, but I think the median is not the average.
But if you put like, there's three hundred and thirty
million Americans out there, this is the absolute middle of
Because you know Elon Musk makes the trillion dollars or
whatever else, the averages can get skewed. This is what
the real person in the dead center middle of the country.
(27:56):
Median real income household average was seventy eight eight thousand,
two hundred and fifty dollars in twenty nineteen, the last
full year before COVID started. All Right, you want to
know what the impact of the Trump economy was. You
were having a lot more money in your pocket. Seventy
(28:16):
eight thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars, all right, twenty nineteen.
Now in twenty twenty two, you have seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty Again the dead smack dab in
the middle American out there all over the country, different
regions geographically. I understand, seventy four thousand dollars in New
York City is different than seventy four thousand in Montgomery Alabama.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right. I mean, we all know this, but.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That's four thousand dollars, basically, buck in, real dollars that
you had in your pocket. So if you're out there
and you're thinking to yourself, man, it feels like I
have less money. I'm working just as hard, and it
feels like I have less money to be able to
take care of my family. It's not your imagination. And
so when they try to come out and say Biden
(29:04):
on bags is working, everybody, everything is rolling here. No,
Joe Biden has been one of the worst guys on
the economy in any of our lives. And this is
the crux of the argument that I think Republicans need
to be making. And Buck, I got a couple of
other data points here.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Do you know what.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
According to the Quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday, you
know what the approval rating is nationwide for Joe Biden
on the economy thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I asked a question thirty five. I was going to
say thirty five, but I cut you off. You're really
going to say thirty five? Now, I was gonna say
thirty nine to be honest.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
With you, Okay, So thirty five thirty five percent. That's lower.
His overall approval rating is thirty nine percent. It ain't good,
but he's thirty five percent on the economy. And you
hear all these guys out there, the quote unquote elite media,
They're like, why aren't people giving Biden credit for the
economic situation?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Did?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
They may not realize what an amazing job he's done
avoiding a recession. And the answer is they've got four
thousand dollars less in their pocket than they did before
Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Here's also why I think this is going to be
a bigger problem for Democrats and not just Joe Biden.
This one goes beyond these macroeconomic sentiments have down ballot consequences.
It's more than just oh, the guy who's at the
top is responsible for all of this, because of what
(30:30):
the Democrats and the legislature have voted for the you know,
the Inflation Reduction Act, which has all this welfare basically
for you know, electric cars and solar panels and all
this other climate change nonsense. It's really a climate change
deal that they give away deal that they pretended was
an inflation reduction notice, the Inflation Reduction Act play went
(30:51):
in this summer and inflation still going up. Inflation has
not been completely tamed the way that they had promised
that would be, so clearly it failed.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That doesn't surprise anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But I think that the longer we get from the
pandemic and the Trump presidency. And you saw this with
the Obama administration too. Remember the first two years Obama
was in office, when he took over from Bush, it
was you know, the car was in the ditch and
we had to take the car out of the ditch,
and it wasn't our fault. And to some degree that works.
(31:22):
That buys you some time, right, But now we're going
into year four of the Biden economy, and I think
anybody who is just looking at what it has done
on a dollars and cents basis for their lives recognizes
this isn't This isn't an improvement, this isn't working. Yeah,
they didn't shut down all four years of sectors of
(31:43):
the economy. Am I supposed to be grateful for that?
You know, under a COVID mandate, this is insane. And
so I think that now the oh it's not our fault.
The guy before us messed it all up. That's not
going to fly, and these numbers are tough for them
to grinding. Inflation, high energy price is high food prices
in year four, which is what we're heading into. That's
(32:04):
tough to blame on the guy before you. And also Buck,
this is important for everybody out there listening. It's important
to understand the arguments that they're trying to make that
are not rooted in reality. But what they will say
is your wages have gone up. And that's true because
over time, wages do go up unless you're in a
totally defunct economy. But here's the problem, and this is
(32:27):
what this number gets to the essence of, if your
wages go up two percent and inflation is eight percent,
that's a real loss of buying power for you, and
people feel it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But I don't know that they.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Necessarily sit there and look at the economic data because
what Biden's saying is, you.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Know your wages are up two percent this year.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Okay, Well, to your point, if inflation's three point seven
percent in real dollars, you're actually losing money. In order
to make money, your income has in terms of increasing
your buying power, your income has to exceed the rate
of inflation right, and I feel like the Biden people
(33:11):
are taking advantage of First of all, a lot of
people in media don't understand basic business, and I mean
are just economically illiterate.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So they say, well, wages are up two percent. I
don't know why people are upset.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well, they're upset because inflation is at three point seven percent.
So if I got a two percent increase in my salary,
I actually lost one point seven percent of my buying power.
And that's what this is the argument, right. You need
to be able to make that argument, because this is
why Biden's so underwater.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
People feel it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't know that Republicans buck are making the argument
of why they feel the way they do. People aren't dumb,
they know. I keep using my Chick fil A example,
But when I'm going through the Chick fil A drive
through and I'm having to pay fifty dollars for you know,
a bunch of sandwiches for my kids, I'm like, I
can't believe that it costs this much. I know everybody
who goes through the grocery store these days is like,
(34:02):
are you kidding me? I'm still buying the same stuff
and now it's you know, twenty percent more.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You also look at you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
If you're let's take that example, the median household income,
which you could say is by the numbers, you know,
dead center middle class. Now, just as an aside, you know,
if you make seventy thousand dollars in New York City,
which I used to make less than that, living in
New York City, you're not middle class for New York City.
If you make seventy thousand dollars living in Tulsa, you're
(34:28):
you're kicking butt. You got like three cars in the
driveway in a five thousand square foot house, right, So
you know, the cost of living is not taken into
the median. So if anyone who's like I don't feel
middle class and I make seven year, I have feel
way better. Well, where you live makes an enormous difference.
You know, if you make seventy thousand dollars in the
San Francisco Bay Area, you're living in your car. Okay,
so very that's actually real. By the way, there are
(34:48):
Google engineers who make like one hundred grand have you
seen these articles? And they they sleep in their cars,
And so I'm not just making that up.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's I talk.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I mean by the way you know this, But for
people who aren't from New York, like we have bunch
of young OutKick employees in their twenties, I cannot believe
what their rent in Manhattan is. Like my mind almost
blows up at the idea.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, the notion of savings and investments as a
young person in his twenties and thirties living in New
York City with no money except what he was making
day to day.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's very very challenging. True in some other major cities.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But okay, so you look at that that household that
seventy thousand dollars give or take household income, and you
see what are the expenses? What are the costs that
can really affect you and really put pressure on you.
Why are we seeing credit card default clay as we
are dramatically escalating well, food and energy costs yes, you know,
(35:41):
heating and cooling your home, but also gasoline going way up,
have been way up, and that adds up over time,
and they've gone up far more than any increase in
wages when you take the inflationary inflationary aspect of the
wages and what you can buy with them into account.
So people that are making you know, we'll call on anywhere.
(36:02):
You know, fifty to seventy grand household income are really
getting the raw end of the deal here. It's not good.
And what's so interesting about it is that the Biden mantra, Clay,
as you know, is always your growth economy from middle
out folks, middle out, you know, not top down. Yeah,
you sit here and you go, you know, captain aviators
(36:22):
over there. When he knows where he is, Joe Biden,
he's what he's saying is the is the It's not
just that it's not true, Clay, it is the opposite
of reality, which is that the people that are being
hurt the most. If you're on welfare, Democrats are actually
pretty good because they're expanding the welfare net for you.
And if you own a ton of assets, you know
you can those asset prices can continue to go up
(36:43):
even with inflations you're doing fines. So if you're rich,
if you're poor, Democrats are great. If you're in the middle,
they stink. And that's where Joe Biden's vulnerable. And one
hundred percent you're right about all that.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It also is so funny to me because I read
the New York Times editorial page every day, so you
don't have to. They keep on the editorial page saying,
I don't know why Americans aren't giving Biden credit for
the economy because the average, the dead middle average part
of this country is getting hammered by Joe Biden's second.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
How many people who work in the New York Times
news are How many people who write for or work
in the New York Times newsroom have spent you know,
and not including their time in college, more than a
year outside of New York, Boston or Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
WHOA not very many? Yeah, very low. Let's face it.
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Truth Seeking, Reality Telling The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. As I've
said for some time, I read the Washington Post and
the New York Times every day so you do not
have to do it yourself. And the interesting evolution that
I am seeing, Buck, is the New York Times opinion
page is suddenly starting to occasionally have actually interesting opinions
(38:47):
rooted in fact that might make the people who read
the New York Times a bit uncomfortable. And Buck, I
saw this, I wanted to hit you with it because
I couldn't believe I was where I was reading it.
This is a Nicholas Christa editorial in the New York
Times today. The one privileged liberals ignore is the headline
(39:08):
and the subheading here is we can't talk about poverty
without addressing the breakdown of marriage and family and I've
read this whole thing, and I would actually encourage all
of you out there to read this too, because here's
a couple of stats that he starts off the column
(39:29):
with Families headed by single mothers are five times as
likely to live in poverty as married couple families. Children
in single mother homes are less likely to graduate from
high school or earn a college degree, more likely to
become single parents themselves, perpetuating the cycle. Thirty percent of
American children now live with a single parent or with
(39:50):
no parent at all. One reason for the sensitivity that
he's talking about. People won't talk about it. Racial disparities,
single parenting less common, and white and Asian households.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Only This stat blew me away.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Only thirty eight percent of Black kids live with married
parents thirty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
A couple of other stats.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Here, Yeah, I just this has been known for decades.
The amount of research, sociological research that has gone into this,
it is ironclad. Does he go into the crime stats
on this too? I didn't read this article. You did,
but that's another one where and actually hat tip and
(40:32):
Coulter on this one. She brought this forward back in
I think it was her book of her book Mugged
when she looked at the stat numbers for people of
single parent homes and the violent crime crossover. As in,
if you not that someone from a single parent home
is going to be violent, but if you look at
people guilty of violent crimes, the number that come from
(40:52):
single parent homes or no parent homes is astronomical.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Doesn't surprise me at all. Here's where the crux. I'd
ever seen this data before. Buck, Listen to this. Ninety
one percent of college educated conservatives agree children are better
off if they have married parents. Ninety one percent of
college educated conservatives. Only thirty percent of college educated liberals agree.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
They're out of their minds. They're wrong, and based on
all the data, they are destroying the lives of people
who are less fortunate by refusing to look at the
obvious reality here. And you know, Nicholas Christoff, he likes
he's throwing from right like an article like Dansen, you know,
and then we're all supposed to say, he's not going
to actually carry the torch on this, he's not going
to push this when there's pushback against him. It's once
(41:46):
a year he'll write something like this, and then the
cowardice will set it. Sorry, I've just I was on
Bill Maher with this guy before. I know his whole routine.
He's a he's among the anyway, keep going, Clay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Sorry, I get the argument.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I mean, he was going to run for governor of
Oregon as a Democrat, right, wasn't he the guy at
the New York Times, And they found out that he
wasn't eligible because he hadn't lived in Oregon long enough?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Am I? I think it's honestly, cringing lib is my fun.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
But the point here is this is really emblematic. What
he points out is thirty percent of college educated liberals
are willing to say children are better off if they
have married parents, only thirty percent. Yet those college educated
liberals overwhelmingly get married and have kids.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's what they're destroying.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
They're destroying the lives they you know, the people who
go to who go to you know, Oberlin and Brown
University and Berkeley and really any college these days. Like
for the most part, Amerus is just as bad. I'm
not taking shots at those schools that don't apply to
the place where I went. I think Vanderbilts maybe a
little more conservative.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I can't speak to vanderabil I don't know what it's
like now. But have you heard this phrase? This is
what the universe of Virginia. A sociologist family expert at
the University of Virginia named Brad Wilcox, I thought this
summed it up really well.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
He calls those people.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
The liberals who claim that they believe things that are
you know, like the thirty percent who would say, oh,
there's no need to have two parent households. He says,
they talk left walk right, so they send out all
the messaging to the left wing. That's a really good phrase, right, well,
talk left walk right.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
This is the this is the foundational sin in so
many ways of the modern liberal in America today is
to espouse policies that they then try to make themselves
or are immune from. This was, I mean, yer best
evidence by Democrats pushing for Obamacare and making sure in
Congress and making sure that.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
They wouldn't have to have Obamacare plans.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Or find me a rich a rich Democrat, you know,
a Democrat with millions of dollars, which there are far
too many of in Congress that have where the income
come from, you know, that's a whole other question, right,
But find me a rich democrat. I'll find you one
who sends their kids to private school while pushing everyone
else's kids to public schools, including failing public schools, who.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Live in not diverse neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
While they want to defund police and talk about how
it's so important, but they live in a neighborhood where
there's very little diversity and very little crime. What's going
on with that, Clay? They're frauds because to live under
left wing policies is to a miserate yourself. But to
live under policies of the you know, to live your
life as somebody on the right while making others sacrifice
(44:38):
for the left.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Stalin would be proud.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's okay, here's a Christoph doesn't hit this in his piece,
but I love that phrase.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want all of you to think about it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Think about the number of people you know who talk
left but walk right. They will spout left wing propaganda,
but in their own lives they make conservative decisions. They
get married, they have kids inside of families. Okay, why
would they do that?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Part of it is.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Virtue signaling, But I think the biggest reason here buck
is that. What's the biggest fear of a left winger
in America today?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well, I you would probably say being called racist, but
I actually think being called anti an anti trans bigot
scares them more these days.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
But sure more. Okay, so I would still say it's
being called racist. So what they're doing here with all
of this commentary is they're trying to protect themselves from
accusations of racism. And this goes to the root. I
think fundamental issue that is caused is the use of
identity politics and everything else. The fear of being called
(45:45):
racist has spread to such an extent that even discussing
factual accuracies like this one buck, sixty two percent of
white kids in low poverty areas they still have fathers
present the homes. What percentage of black kids in low
poverty areas have dads in the house.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Low income areas? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I didn't
read this article, so I'm guessing the percentage of last.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sixty two percent.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
If you're a poor white kid there's live in a
poor neighborhood, there's still a sixty two percent chance that
there is a father figure in your home. Say it's
that scenario for black half four percent.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
So even if you think about what is the difference, Okay,
a poor white kid and a poor black kid living
in a low income neighborhood. If you're a poor white kid,
there's still a sixty two percent chance that there is
a father figure in your home. There's a four percent
chance if you're a poor black kid. Okay, that's a
factual data. The people who are being victimized by this
(46:52):
are and then the evidence you well know this. He
talks about this, but as well, when you grow up
in poverty, you tend to replicate the same kind of
situations you have kids young. This is why the four
things that I've been hammering for a long time, graduate
high school, get a job, get married, don't have a
kid till you're twenty five.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Your poverty rate is zero, regardless of your race.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
People won't talk about these facts, Buck because they're afraid
of the facts, leading to them being called races. Which
is why these white people say, oh, you don't need
a two parent household.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
What you're saying is true. I do think it's more
than that though as well. The modern democrat left of
the last six I'm trying to do the math here.
Let's call it last sixty years or so their contribution.
I'm sorry, well, I'm gonna cut you off. We got
major breaking news. Hunter Biden indicted on gun charges.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Wow, fuck Sexton, major blockbuster news. Sorry to cut you off,
mid mid I'm real was about to wat philosophical about
the last seventy years of the American welfare state and
family dissolution Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
So they did indict Okay, all right, all right over this,
let's go to break. Do I get a stake over
the indictment? No?
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Not over know if he goes to prison, Uh, we'll read,
We'll give you the APPSCE.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm sorry to cut you off. I know you were gonna.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Wax philosophical there, but I was so excited when my
new when I got the news alert on my.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Phone to pop up. Here it's this You're you're celebrating
so early.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
They're gonna do a plea deal here or Joe's gonna
step in.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Hunter is not going to prison here.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Here is all I want to say. This judge in Delaware, Noriyeika.
If she doesn't ask questions, I know hero in the
history of the jurisdemic, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Love her again.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I love her, I want her autograph. I'd like to
meet her at some point. The judge got rid of
the mask mandate more.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
But we'll we'll like.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Her to look at the details of the two favorite
and let's see what actually happens. An indictment does not
mean that there is a trial. That does not mean
anyone goes to prison. It does not mean that anything
bad happens to them. There are four indictments against Trump,
which we talk about a lot, as we know, so
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
All Right, the big breaking news play is over there
doing some backflips. I didn't even know he could do backflips.
He's very simple, a very agile fellow. Hunter Biden indicted
on federal gun charges. The indictment this is from NBC News.
The indictment against the President's son comes after a plea
agreement on tax and gun charges fell apart in July
(00:27):
amid a probe of his finances by House Republicans. The
two counts are tied to I guess they wait, they say,
it's let me see, is it two counts or three?
K Well, they say here, two counts are tied to
Biden allegedly filing a form that he was not an
a legal drug user when he purchased a cult cobra
in October of twenty eighteen. Third count is that he
(00:48):
possessed a firearm while using a narcotic. The problem with
trying to fight that charge is, I think he basically
has like video or photos of him with mounds of cocaine,
waving a gun around with prostitute.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's gonna be gonna be tough to convince people that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
He also admitted it in his book that he was
drug at I mean, like he is basically admitted that
he violated these these laws.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Now, now here's where, here's where this is gonna really
where the rubber is really gonna meet the road, Hunter
Biden is. You got a lot of things coming together here.
We talked about earlier in the week. I said this
with the ignacious piece, You're gonna have to see the
(01:31):
snowball effect. It's gonna have to be an avalanche. It's
gonna have to be the movement of many simultaneous pieces.
Nancy Pelosi kind of said, no, no, no, no, no, we're not
We're not doing it. She kind of slapped that down.
And the last time she was on air, uh you know,
speaking to uh CNN. But here we have a moment
that creates considerable weakness for the president politically if this
(01:56):
should go forward and be our problem. Here's how I
see this though playing out.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I'm just gonna put this out there because right right now,
I understand there's there's a lot riding on this one.
Because if Hunter actually gets prosecuted, taking into court and
it is facing prison time, we'd go back. You know,
you you extended your bet. It didn't happen last year.
You said you thought it would happen this year. I
said it didn't definitely happen last year, but you know
I thought it wasn't gona happen this year. Again, Here's
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what I think they're gonna do. They're gonna go into
negotiations over this. They're going to push the trial back,
and Joe Biden's going to say, see, the justice system
is working, even my own son faces justice. They're going
to turn up the pressure even more on and Donald
Trump is not only going to be tried, he should
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go to prison, and they are going to stay with Biden.
That is how I think this still plays out. What
are you seeing here right now on this one? Meaning,
I don't think Hunter Biden sees the inside of a
prison cell because Dad's gonna pardon him one way or
another before that could ever happen.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
So my initial read on this was that Merrick Garland
would need to charge Hunter Biden in order to charge
Donald Trump, and that he would argue and doing so
that people can go back and listen, we said this
years ago that he would say, you're not above the law.
(03:25):
Whether you're the former president of the United States or
the current president's son, the law, there are consequences. Merrick
Garland tried to sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Deal this thing.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Totally totally tried to sweetheart deal this thing. They worked
it through and here's what happened. Judge nor Yaika, wait,
I know what you're gonna get the judge nor Yaka high five?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Can I just throw this to the clay. Think about this.
If you're a hundred is team, they were yes inches.
I mean, this was diving into the end zone with
the football to win the game for them, and they
came up two inches short.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
So a couple of things. One the House, let's give
credit here.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
People say, okay, what does it matter if you win
the House or you win the Senate. The House developed
all of this evidence, including the public testimony of the
IRS agents. I think if Shapley and the other guy's
name who I'm forgetting, if they don't come forward and
tell the story of the rig job of this investigation,
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then the Department of Justice would not have been humiliated
and called out in what is clearly a sweetheart deal
that they.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Had put together.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So the evidence that was developed by the House allowed
this story to get out, and then Judge Noriyaika read
all this, knew all this, saw it, and said, I'm
not rubber stamping this deal. To your point, Buck, they
expected when they walked into that courtroom that they were
free and clear and that Hunter Biden was going to
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have no consequences. And I said, this is what I
argued should happen if Noriyaeika stood up and no, that
they would need to a point of special counsel.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Which is what happened. And now there are charges being fault.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
And this is important, Buck, because the charges being filed,
it ends any concern at least on these charges for
this running out right, for the statute of limitations passing yes,
and for their not.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Being able to be any charges brought. I will throw
this out there. I am not convinced that the fix
is not still in. They have filed the indictment. What
happens now, what's the negotiation over this? How long does
it take? When would the trial be? If I'm Hunter Biden,
I either take a plea that is no jail time.
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Oh and then I can have my dad pardon me
so I can keep my law license. Et cetera, et cetera,
or I extended out so that I don't see the
courtroom in time for Dad to pardon me from the
whole thing. Anyway, Yeah, we got a lot that we
need to discuss. Let me also mention this as we
go to break, to come back and talk about it.
The other big aspect here, what's going to happen with
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the tax charges?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Next?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Big Time News.
If you're just getting in your car, appreciate everybody who's
been hanging out for the first couple of hours. We've
got major breaking news just came down the last twenty
minutes or so. Hunter Biden has been charged with three
felonies relating to lying on gun ownership forms. There still
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remains all of the felony tax charges that are out there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So I still want to.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Say, while this is important because the indictment means that
we don't have to worry about, uh, whether the statute
of limitation is gonna run out, there still are those
tax charges and there needs to be felony charges filed
for those as well.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I believe we're going to be joined by Miranda Devine
at the bottom of this hour to break down much
of this and Andy McCarthy potentially uh at yep.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
We're putting out the Andy Andy bat signal on on
this one. And okay, we discussed just for anyone who's
joining us, three fell three charges their felony charges against
Hunter byden having to do with possession of a firearm
while a user of a controlled substance, a legal controlled substance,
and also lying on the Federal background form. When you
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buy clay, you've never You've never bought a gun, have you?
Have you ever gone through this process? And when you
know I have not, No, I have not. Yeah, so
when you go through it, I mean I've done it.
It's actually funny. Now you don't have an iPad, but
you go and you click and you say, you say,
I know, I swear under penalty of perjury, and you're
actually it's a federal document and the at F and
federal government are checking their their NICKS system, the National
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Instant Background Check System. Anyway they do these things. There's
a process and Hunter is now facing these three indicas. Okay,
hold on a second. Let's let's take a look at
what we have said this week, because this is a moment.
We don't want to get ahead of where we are.
The ignacious column drops.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Washington Post stud columnists, their guy says he shouldn't run.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think you maybe the first person in history to
described data ignacious as a stud.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But I know it's well to the extent that anybody
in the Washington Post firmament like they're uh the day
one starter.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
This is there this, that's right. He is a for
the Washington Post columnists that he is QB one. Okay,
so uh you like that, by the way, that's good,
very good one. Yeah, well done. So here's where we are.
He laid it out. He said, we do this within
a month or it doesn't happen. Yes, you and I
have been saying this for months. There's a timeline here,
right the people who are you know, if someone's going
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to email us the middle of December and say, guys,
any moment now, it's like, actually no, because it can't
because you're effectively seeding critical states to the Republicans because
you won't be able to get on the ballot in
those states with the candidate who has not yet been
declared and gone through that process, right, So there is
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a timeline here. What we said about the ignacious thing
was it can't just be the ignacious column. Keep an
eye out. We said this about the View and CNN.
Take a look and see if there are other voices
that all jump in and decide.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It is time, right, it is time to do this now.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
The timing here of the gun charge, the ignacious column,
and the fact that this is the eleventh hour to
make this kind of switch means that I don't know.
I would say that I don't think it will happen,
but there may be a palace coup attempt of sorts
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underway within the Democrat Party. There may be a real effort.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right now, we talked about this in a big way.
Let's start with the Washington Post column. That is not
I understand people out there like, I don't know why
you care about this column. The Washington Post column, editorial page.
Every single person of any prominence in Washington d c.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Reads it every year.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
This is it's provda for Beltwegh Democrats. This is this
is this sets the talking points for the big p party.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So they would not write this story.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Sometimes columnist, I've been a columnist full time job before buck.
Sometimes you are reacting to what happened in the twenty
four hours before. Maybe you're reacting in the forty eight
or seventy two hours before. This is a column that
they have been planning four months, and they waited until
after Labor Day to drop this. You don't say on
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the Washington Post editorial board if you are this columnist,
Joe Biden shouldn't run without this being debated, discussed and
talked about four months.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They chose this timing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Also, Joe Biden is being impeached same exact week they know,
so that the House is coming back into session, It's
not crazy to think that Republicans are going to move.
We have the impeachment inquiry underway, and now you have
felony charges being brought against Hunter Biden. I would want
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all of you out there to think about this. It
is Joe Biden's Department of Justice that is bringing felony
charges against Hunter Biden. Do you think the Washington Post
didn't know this was going to happen?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Do you think we had on this show? Why? He
said a week ago? Bys it September twenty.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ninth, Right, he said that there were going to be
gun charges and it was going to happen this month,
so everyone technically knew.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I think they knew the day that it was
going to happen, because you don't draft a felony indictment
of the president's son without everybody in the Department of
Justice knowing that the president's son is about to be
indicted for felony charges.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So I think this.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Would have been well known in the Department of Justice,
and also in like Joe Biden didn't find out, He'll
probably claim that he did. When then when Karree John
Pierre gets questioned, they'll be like, what did the president
find out that his son was going to be indicted? Oh,
he found out on the news, just like all of
you b s. The president's son doesn't get indicted by
his own Department of Justice without the president knowing it's happening.
(12:15):
So I can see how this confluence of events, and
I do not think it is I would not say
it is a coincidence. I think there's a real possibility here.
I don't know, Clay that the Washington Post was thinking
about dropping this months in advance as an entity, but
I'm sure there were discussions about the timing of it
in the last few weeks. You know, I think that
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they Again, my theory would be Ignacious is known for
a couple It's not like he suddenly decided two weeks
ago that Biden needs to step down. He's been thinking
about it for months. I bet he's been talking about
with his editors. They said, okay, if you want to
do it, we don't want to do it till after
Labor Day when everybody starts to pay attention, because this
is kind of a bombshell opinion to share.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So here's how this is going to go.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think, and I mean I don't mean oh, a
year from now, I mean right now, you're going to
see either the Democrat apparatus all of a sudden. It's
like domino start to fall. This is what we and
we said this could happen based on the Ignacious column.
That was before we knew there was going to be
this Hunter Biden indictment. You could see all of a
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sudden CNN and others. Now, I'll say, the Washington Post
headline on this, and the headline matters is Hunter Biden
indicted on gun charges. A setback for President's family after
plea deal fell apart, that to me is not thrown
under the bus. That is still holding back the possibility
here that they're going to do what I think they're
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going to do, which is Joe Biden will say something
or they'll put out you Knowree Jean Pierre, the White House, whomever.
They'll say something like, we, uh, you know, one hundred
deserves his day in court. He has a presumption of innocence.
We will let the process play out. And this shows
that no one is above the law, including Donald Trump.
They're going to always try to tie that in whenever
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they can, right because they I've been saying this as well.
They want to throw Trump in prison. Trust me, if
they're gonna even go through the indicting the son of Hunter,
of Joe Biden situation, they are more than willing in
this Biden doj to try to actually put Donald Trump
in a cell.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But put that aside for a second. It's gonna be so.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't think that this necessarily means it's game over
for Hunter's effort to stay out of prison and to
basically get away with the memory. He's already gotten away
with the fair violations, and there's some stuff that the
statutes run out on I think that they'll just say,
let the process play out, and this thing gets delayed,
and then the question is just Joe Biden whether this
politically in the meantime, Joe Biden, Let's remember, everybody very
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adept at using personal tragedy for political convenience. He's very
good at playing the sympathy card. He may say my
son is an addict. How many out there know what
that is? Like, I did my best for my son.
I cannot wash away all of his sins he is facing.
Just you know, I don't want to give him any ideas,
but I'm saying this is kind of what I could
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see Joe Biden doing the change when And this would
be clay if you hear the big voices in the
Democrat Party say Joe Biden needs to tend to family
matters and his age is such a concern and it's
time we look elsewhere. If that happens, the dominoes all fall,
and you've got a very I but that hasn't happened yet,
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and I still don't believe it will.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
They will all get asked now, you know how, when
you're walking around in the halls of Congress, and somebody
has said something and the media member runs up and
they say, you know, it's got like a game of telephone.
Did you see so and so said so and so?
Do you have a comment on it? They'll all get
asked about this. Now here is my crazy idea. Potentially,
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Buck does Biden now that his son is charged, and
I think he's going to get charged in the taxes.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now I think he will get charged for tax fell
on these two.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Now, to be fair, this thing will not happen until
twenty twenty four. The felony tax charges are still going
to come, I think as well. Okay, I think they
took off fifteen and sixteen if I remember correctly, off
the boards.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That was the worst of the possible tax charges.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yes, but I think there's still felony tax charges outstanding
that could be brought in seventeen eighteen. And that's the
pressure that still needs to be brought, not just the
gun charges. And it is interesting that they didn't bring
those simultaneously. I'd be curious to hear why that was.
It could be that they think that the location for
those charges needs to be California. I'm not sure where
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Hunter Biden was domiciled in seventeen or eighteen just that
that's legal procedural questions. But because I think the goal
of the Special Council was to allow him to bring
charges in either place.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm like the audience here, what's your crazy idea. Let's
hear it.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Crazy idea is Biden comes out, pardons his on and
Trump and says, I'm still running.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
That may be the craziest thing you've ever said on
the show. I think that you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Tell me if this is not look again, don't think
about it as a partisan.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
If you are Joe Biden and you want to continue
the idea that you are a unit or not a divider,
that you're trying to heal the country, tell me that
one of his advisors could not write a speech. Joe
Biden walks out says, in the interest of making America healed,
I am going to pardon Donald Trump's Remember this is
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the this is the angle on it that I think
would still have some cogency. He can only pardon him
for federal charges. So it would just take off DC
and UH and South Florida. It would still allow the
prosecution in New York and in New York.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Has no teeth and Georgia doesn't happen. I think we
agree until after the election anyway, so.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It doesn't, but the state charges would still be standing.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
But my point on it is the only way that
he can pardon Hunter without destroying his own political viability
going forward is I think if he also pardoned Trump.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You and I see this differently. He just says the justice.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
This is the guy who always this is the guy
who talked about again and I don't want to be
insensitive here, but he would leverage the tragedy of losing
a wife and daughter in a car accident for years,
and then he leveraged the tragedy of bo Biden dying
from brain cancer and lie. He lied about both of
those things. He said that his wife was killed by
a drunk driver, which was not true. He said Bo
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Biden gave his life in service in a rock, which
was not true. He drive a brain tombor very sad,
but now it's going to be my son is a
crack addict. This is the America we live in. He
made bad mistake, you know, he made bad decisions and
he will pay for them. He will face justice.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I won't.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But what really is gonna happen is they're gonna delay it,
They're gonna wait, and they're gonna see. And if Joe
Biden wins, he doesn't care about what the what the
judge of the people will be in December if he
pardons his own son, so he doesn't go to prison.
But and if Joe Biden loses, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You see it.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So I don't see I think the Democrat Party does.
Because remember, as soon as Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon,
he effectively gave the Democrats the White House in nineteen
seventy six. That's why Jimmy Carter won. That was the
right decision gerald Ford made to pardon Richard Nixon for
the country, but he basically rode off his chance of winning.
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And that wasn't his family member. I think if Joe
Biden pardons Hunter Biden, just Hunter Biden.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But you but deal with what I'm saying, which is
that he won't have to even pardon him for a year.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I agree, but I'm saying even if he won reelection.
Let's pretend Joe Biden wins in twenty twenty four and
then he comes out and he says, I'm going to
pardon Hunter. I think it would destroy I think Joe
Biden would if he pardons Hunter. I think it would
destroy him forever.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Politically. I don't think he cares. He's like one hundred
years old.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But I think the Democrat Party does because it because
then it destroyed.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I really think you have no principles to protect Clay.
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I don't think that you have never seen It's something
to think about because I don't think we've ever seen
a president somebody do research on that.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean Trump, Trump, I believe, pardon Jared Kushner's father
from felony conviction. After you know, there are a bunch
of Trump pardons at the end that where people were like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah about it.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I think that's different in terms of like your direct
blood relative. Has any president ever pardoned a son or
daughter for a felony conviction or to avoid a felony
conviction in the history of the units. I'd also say this,
Clay a big part of what the Republicans are running
on right now, and everyone has said this out loud.
Who's got big megaphones in the conservative media. Trump can
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pardon himself if he wins, and that shit, we're so
if we're running on the Trump can pardon himself if
he wins. I don't think Democrats care if Biden wins
and he pardons his son, because he's gonna say it
was a political hitchob or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I just I don't. I think I think it will see.
We'll see in the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Is Biden no longer politically viable and Democrats are making
that decision. I think that they still think he's their
only hope.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I think that he can this guy Clay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
The fact that he's president is an exercise in defying
the laws of like rationality, of of what is reasonable,
of what is decent, of what is saying. I don't
think he thinks he's done after this. Hey, well, let's
let's see. We got we got random divine. She'll be
with us in a few moments. It's funny. We're gonna
have Andy and Andy was on Fox, so technically I
(21:34):
guess he can't do two hits simultaneously. But uh well,
we'll we'll talk to more people about this. I leave
open the possibility that the Palace coup could happen and
this could be a part of it. I still think
Joe Biden pushes through this, and I look, I fig
your idea, Clay. I don't even know what to say.
If you're right and Joe Biden did that, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I think it might win him the presidency. That would
be the I mean, but the only way.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Most could only way he could pardon his son and
actually benefit from it. That's the way that I'm thinking.
How can you get what you want and benefit from it.
That's the only way. That party would absolutely lose.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Their minds if Joe Biden parton Donald Trump. I mean,
I'm talking about like they would burn down cities across
the country. They would absolutely lose their minds if Joe
Biden parton Donald Trump, like dogs and cats living together,
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all right, let's let's we'll take some of your calls
on this too. Eight hundred and two eight two two
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He's Fuck Sexton, He's Clay Travis.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Together they're breathing sanity into an insane world. It's Thursday, everybody.
Welcome to Clay and Buck. We got a lot to
talk to you about today on the program.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
First off, Nancy Palosi changing history or changing the rules,
which one I guess it actually could be both, because
it looks like she changed the rules and she's trying
to change history about impeachments. We shall discuss that in
a little bit. Is Kamala ready for running the country.
(24:05):
Pelosi was also asked about that we've got a Trump
Meghan Kelly interview with some interesting exchanges specifically on COVID
and vaccines, which I think we will have some time
for sure to dive into here. And we've also got
some of the latest on where the polls stand, where
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the race is stand. But I actually want to take
a step back for a second, because you're often hearing
and Clinton. I both read an editorial in the Wall
Street Journal today about this. You'll hear about Bidenomics, and
essentially the argument that is being made is, since we
aren't in a horrific recession with mass layoffs and a
(24:52):
stock market down thirty percent or more or something, since
it isn't pure economic devastation out there, iiden has somehow
done a good job. That's that's a very charitable reading
to put it mildly of what's actually going on. So
what this piece looks at is based on Census data. Again,
(25:13):
this is this from the Wall Street Journal. And here
let me let me give this quote to everybody. Biden's
trying to avoid the real story, which is that the
Census Bureau says median household income adjusted for inflation fell
last year by one thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars
is seventy four thousand, five hundred and eighty It is
down three thousand, six hundred and seventy dollars from twenty nineteen.
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And households in the fourth income quintile making between ninety
four and one hundred and fifty three thousand dollars lost
forty six hundred dollars in twenty twenty two and sixty
seven one hundred dollars since twenty nineteen. When you're looking
at real household income, people are on an annualized basis
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thousands of dollars poorer than they were before Biden was
in charge. A huge part of this play, clearly is inflation,
which is chewing away at the wages of people who
live on wages. It's different than people who own a
lot of assets that can function as a you know,
if you own the properties. Right, you can raise the
(26:22):
rents as inflation goes up, but if you're wage dependent,
people are getting hurt by this. I think the only
point that Biden can make at this phase, or the
only way that they can try to sell people on Bidenomics,
is the usual class warfare junk. Right, it's about the
billionaires and you know they're whatever, which that's just that
just relies on envy and economic illiteracy. The other option
(26:46):
is to say, well, I didn't steer us right into
a depression, did I.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
That's pretty much where we are.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
This is this is where the crux of this lies
because people get confused when you say, oh, inflation I
think was up three point nine percent over last year.
People don't experience inflation year over year three point seven, yeah,
three point seven. They look at it in the context
of what's their actual buying power. And that's what I've
(27:14):
tried to keep hammering home. And I give credit to
the Wall Street Journal because I read this this morning
and I said, Okay, this really crystallizes it. If you
feel like you legitimately have less money in your pocket
than you did before Joe Biden became president, you're not
making that up. Again, the numbers here buck the average
(27:35):
median income, So right, median, correct me if I'm wrong
on this, but I think the median is not the average.
But if you put like, there's three hundred and thirty
million Americans out there, this is the absolute middle of
Because you know Elon Musk makes the trillion dollars or
whatever else, the averages can get skewed. This is what
the real person in the dead center middle of the country.
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Median real income household average was seventy eight eight thousand,
two hundred and fifty dollars in twenty nineteen, the last
full year before COVID started. All Right, you want to
know what the impact of the Trump economy was. You
were having a lot more money in your pocket. Seventy
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eight thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars, all right, twenty nineteen.
Now in twenty twenty two, you have seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty Again the dead smack dab in
the middle American out there all over the country, different
regions geographically. I understand, seventy four thousand dollars in New
York City is different than seventy four thousand in Montgomery Alabama.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Right. I mean, we all know this, but.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That's four thousand dollars, basically, buck in, real dollars that
you had in your pocket. So if you're out there
and you're thinking to yourself, man, it feels like I
have less money. I'm working just as hard, and it
feels like I have less money to be able to
take care of my family. It's not your imagination. And
so when they try to come out and say Biden
(29:04):
on bags is working, everybody, everything is rolling here. No,
Joe Biden has been one of the worst guys on
the economy in any of our lives. And this is
the crux of the argument that I think Republicans need
to be making. And Buck, I got a couple of
other data points here.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Do you know what.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
According to the Quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday, you
know what the approval rating is nationwide for Joe Biden
on the economy thirty five percent.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I asked a question thirty five. I was going to
say thirty five, but I cut you off. You're really
going to say thirty five? Now, I was gonna say
thirty nine to be honest.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
With you, Okay, So thirty five thirty five percent. That's lower.
His overall approval rating is thirty nine percent. It ain't good,
but he's thirty five percent on the economy. And you
hear all these guys out there, the quote unquote elite media,
They're like, why aren't people giving Biden credit for the
economic situation?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Did?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
They may not realize what an amazing job he's done
avoiding a recession. And the answer is they've got four
thousand dollars less in their pocket than they did before
Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Here's also why I think this is going to be
a bigger problem for Democrats and not just Joe Biden.
This one goes beyond these macroeconomic sentiments have down ballot consequences.
It's more than just oh, the guy who's at the
top is responsible for all of this, because of what
(30:30):
the Democrats and the legislature have voted for the you know,
the Inflation Reduction Act, which has all this welfare basically
for you know, electric cars and solar panels and all
this other climate change nonsense. It's really a climate change
deal that they give away deal that they pretended was
an inflation reduction notice, the Inflation Reduction Act play went
(30:51):
in this summer and inflation still going up. Inflation has
not been completely tamed the way that they had promised
that would be, so clearly it failed.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That doesn't surprise anybody.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But I think that the longer we get from the
pandemic and the Trump presidency. And you saw this with
the Obama administration too. Remember the first two years Obama
was in office, when he took over from Bush, it
was you know, the car was in the ditch and
we had to take the car out of the ditch,
and it wasn't our fault. And to some degree that works.
(31:22):
That buys you some time, right, But now we're going
into year four of the Biden economy, and I think
anybody who is just looking at what it has done
on a dollars and cents basis for their lives recognizes
this isn't This isn't an improvement, this isn't working. Yeah,
they didn't shut down all four years of sectors of
(31:43):
the economy. Am I supposed to be grateful for that?
You know, under a COVID mandate, this is insane. And
so I think that now the oh it's not our fault.
The guy before us messed it all up. That's not
going to fly, and these numbers are tough for them
to grinding. Inflation, high energy price is high food prices
in year four, which is what we're heading into. That's
(32:04):
tough to blame on the guy before you. And also Buck,
this is important for everybody out there listening. It's important
to understand the arguments that they're trying to make that
are not rooted in reality. But what they will say
is your wages have gone up. And that's true because
over time, wages do go up unless you're in a
totally defunct economy. But here's the problem, and this is
(32:27):
what this number gets to the essence of, if your
wages go up two percent and inflation is eight percent,
that's a real loss of buying power for you, and
people feel it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
But I don't know that they.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Necessarily sit there and look at the economic data because
what Biden's saying is, you.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Know your wages are up two percent this year.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Okay, Well, to your point, if inflation's three point seven
percent in real dollars, you're actually losing money. In order
to make money, your income has in terms of increasing
your buying power, your income has to exceed the rate
of inflation right, and I feel like the Biden people
(33:11):
are taking advantage of First of all, a lot of
people in media don't understand basic business, and I mean
are just economically illiterate.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So they say, well, wages are up two percent. I
don't know why people are upset.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well, they're upset because inflation is at three point seven percent.
So if I got a two percent increase in my salary,
I actually lost one point seven percent of my buying power.
And that's what this is the argument, right. You need
to be able to make that argument, because this is
why Biden's so underwater.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
People feel it.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I don't know that Republicans buck are making the argument
of why they feel the way they do. People aren't dumb,
they know. I keep using my Chick fil A example,
But when I'm going through the Chick fil A drive
through and I'm having to pay fifty dollars for you know,
a bunch of sandwiches for my kids, I'm like, I
can't believe that it costs this much. I know everybody
who goes through the grocery store these days is like,
(34:02):
are you kidding me? I'm still buying the same stuff
and now it's you know, twenty percent more.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
You also look at you.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
If you're let's take that example, the median household income,
which you could say is by the numbers, you know,
dead center middle class. Now, just as an aside, you know,
if you make seventy thousand dollars in New York City,
which I used to make less than that, living in
New York City, you're not middle class for New York City.
If you make seventy thousand dollars living in Tulsa, you're
(34:28):
you're kicking butt. You got like three cars in the
driveway in a five thousand square foot house, right, So
you know, the cost of living is not taken into
the median. So if anyone who's like I don't feel
middle class and I make seven year, I have feel
way better. Well, where you live makes an enormous difference.
You know, if you make seventy thousand dollars in the
San Francisco Bay Area, you're living in your car. Okay,
so very that's actually real. By the way, there are
(34:48):
Google engineers who make like one hundred grand have you
seen these articles? And they they sleep in their cars,
And so I'm not just making that up.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's I talk.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I mean by the way you know this, But for
people who aren't from New York, like we have bunch
of young OutKick employees in their twenties, I cannot believe
what their rent in Manhattan is. Like my mind almost
blows up at the idea.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I mean, the notion of savings and investments as a
young person in his twenties and thirties living in New
York City with no money except what he was making
day to day.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
It's very very challenging. True in some other major cities.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But okay, so you look at that that household that
seventy thousand dollars give or take household income, and you
see what are the expenses? What are the costs that
can really affect you and really put pressure on you.
Why are we seeing credit card default clay as we
are dramatically escalating well, food and energy costs yes, you know,
(35:41):
heating and cooling your home, but also gasoline going way up,
have been way up, and that adds up over time,
and they've gone up far more than any increase in
wages when you take the inflationary inflationary aspect of the
wages and what you can buy with them into account.
So people that are making you know, we'll call on anywhere.
(36:02):
You know, fifty to seventy grand household income are really
getting the raw end of the deal here. It's not good.
And what's so interesting about it is that the Biden mantra, Clay,
as you know, is always your growth economy from middle
out folks, middle out, you know, not top down. Yeah,
you sit here and you go, you know, captain aviators
(36:22):
over there. When he knows where he is, Joe Biden,
he's what he's saying is the is the It's not
just that it's not true, Clay, it is the opposite
of reality, which is that the people that are being
hurt the most. If you're on welfare, Democrats are actually
pretty good because they're expanding the welfare net for you.
And if you own a ton of assets, you know
you can those asset prices can continue to go up
(36:43):
even with inflations you're doing fines. So if you're rich,
if you're poor, Democrats are great. If you're in the middle,
they stink. And that's where Joe Biden's vulnerable. And one
hundred percent you're right about all that.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It also is so funny to me because I read
the New York Times editorial page every day, so you
don't have to. They keep on the editorial page saying,
I don't know why Americans aren't giving Biden credit for
the economy because the average, the dead middle average part
of this country is getting hammered by Joe Biden's second.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
How many people who work in the New York Times
news are How many people who write for or work
in the New York Times newsroom have spent you know,
and not including their time in college, more than a
year outside of New York, Boston or Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
WHOA not very many? Yeah, very low. Let's face it.
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Truth Seeking, Reality Telling The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. As I've
said for some time, I read the Washington Post and
the New York Times every day so you do not
have to do it yourself. And the interesting evolution that
I am seeing, Buck, is the New York Times opinion
page is suddenly starting to occasionally have actually interesting opinions
(38:47):
rooted in fact that might make the people who read
the New York Times a bit uncomfortable. And Buck, I
saw this, I wanted to hit you with it because
I couldn't believe I was where I was reading it.
This is a Nicholas Christa editorial in the New York
Times today. The one privileged liberals ignore is the headline
(39:08):
and the subheading here is we can't talk about poverty
without addressing the breakdown of marriage and family and I've
read this whole thing, and I would actually encourage all
of you out there to read this too, because here's
a couple of stats that he starts off the column
(39:29):
with Families headed by single mothers are five times as
likely to live in poverty as married couple families. Children
in single mother homes are less likely to graduate from
high school or earn a college degree, more likely to
become single parents themselves, perpetuating the cycle. Thirty percent of
American children now live with a single parent or with
(39:50):
no parent at all. One reason for the sensitivity that
he's talking about. People won't talk about it. Racial disparities,
single parenting less common, and white and Asian households.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Only This stat blew me away.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Only thirty eight percent of Black kids live with married
parents thirty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
A couple of other stats.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Here, Yeah, I just this has been known for decades.
The amount of research, sociological research that has gone into this,
it is ironclad. Does he go into the crime stats
on this too? I didn't read this article. You did,
but that's another one where and actually hat tip and
(40:32):
Coulter on this one. She brought this forward back in
I think it was her book of her book Mugged
when she looked at the stat numbers for people of
single parent homes and the violent crime crossover. As in,
if you not that someone from a single parent home
is going to be violent, but if you look at
people guilty of violent crimes, the number that come from
(40:52):
single parent homes or no parent homes is astronomical.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Doesn't surprise me at all. Here's where the crux. I'd
ever seen this data before. Buck, Listen to this. Ninety
one percent of college educated conservatives agree children are better
off if they have married parents. Ninety one percent of
college educated conservatives. Only thirty percent of college educated liberals agree.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
They're out of their minds. They're wrong, and based on
all the data, they are destroying the lives of people
who are less fortunate by refusing to look at the
obvious reality here. And you know, Nicholas Christoff, he likes
he's throwing from right like an article like Dansen, you know,
and then we're all supposed to say, he's not going
to actually carry the torch on this, he's not going
to push this when there's pushback against him. It's once
(41:46):
a year he'll write something like this, and then the
cowardice will set it. Sorry, I've just I was on
Bill Maher with this guy before. I know his whole routine.
He's a he's among the anyway, keep going, Clay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Sorry, I get the argument.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I mean, he was going to run for governor of
Oregon as a Democrat, right, wasn't he the guy at
the New York Times, And they found out that he
wasn't eligible because he hadn't lived in Oregon long enough?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Am I? I think it's honestly, cringing lib is my fun.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
But the point here is this is really emblematic. What
he points out is thirty percent of college educated liberals
are willing to say children are better off if they
have married parents, only thirty percent. Yet those college educated
liberals overwhelmingly get married and have kids.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
That's what they're destroying.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
They're destroying the lives they you know, the people who
go to who go to you know, Oberlin and Brown
University and Berkeley and really any college these days. Like
for the most part, Amerus is just as bad. I'm
not taking shots at those schools that don't apply to
the place where I went. I think Vanderbilts maybe a
little more conservative.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I can't speak to vanderabil I don't know what it's
like now. But have you heard this phrase? This is
what the universe of Virginia. A sociologist family expert at
the University of Virginia named Brad Wilcox, I thought this
summed it up really well.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
He calls those people.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
The liberals who claim that they believe things that are
you know, like the thirty percent who would say, oh,
there's no need to have two parent households. He says,
they talk left walk right, so they send out all
the messaging to the left wing. That's a really good phrase, right, well,
talk left walk right.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
This is the this is the foundational sin in so
many ways of the modern liberal in America today is
to espouse policies that they then try to make themselves
or are immune from. This was, I mean, yer best
evidence by Democrats pushing for Obamacare and making sure in
Congress and making sure that.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
They wouldn't have to have Obamacare plans.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Or find me a rich a rich Democrat, you know,
a Democrat with millions of dollars, which there are far
too many of in Congress that have where the income
come from, you know, that's a whole other question, right,
But find me a rich democrat. I'll find you one
who sends their kids to private school while pushing everyone
else's kids to public schools, including failing public schools, who.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Live in not diverse neighborhoods.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
While they want to defund police and talk about how
it's so important, but they live in a neighborhood where
there's very little diversity and very little crime. What's going
on with that, Clay? They're frauds because to live under
left wing policies is to a miserate yourself. But to
live under policies of the you know, to live your
life as somebody on the right while making others sacrifice
(44:38):
for the left.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Stalin would be proud.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
That's okay, here's a Christoph doesn't hit this in his piece,
but I love that phrase.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I want all of you to think about it.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Think about the number of people you know who talk
left but walk right. They will spout left wing propaganda,
but in their own lives they make conservative decisions. They
get married, they have kids inside of families. Okay, why
would they do that?
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Part of it is.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Virtue signaling, But I think the biggest reason here buck
is that. What's the biggest fear of a left winger
in America today?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Well, I you would probably say being called racist, but
I actually think being called anti an anti trans bigot
scares them more these days.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
But sure more. Okay, so I would still say it's
being called racist. So what they're doing here with all
of this commentary is they're trying to protect themselves from
accusations of racism. And this goes to the root. I
think fundamental issue that is caused is the use of
identity politics and everything else. The fear of being called
(45:45):
racist has spread to such an extent that even discussing
factual accuracies like this one buck, sixty two percent of
white kids in low poverty areas they still have fathers
present the homes. What percentage of black kids in low
poverty areas have dads in the house.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Low income areas? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. I didn't
read this article, so I'm guessing the percentage of last.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Sixty two percent.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
If you're a poor white kid there's live in a
poor neighborhood, there's still a sixty two percent chance that
there is a father figure in your home. Say it's
that scenario for black half four percent.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
So even if you think about what is the difference, Okay,
a poor white kid and a poor black kid living
in a low income neighborhood. If you're a poor white kid,
there's still a sixty two percent chance that there is
a father figure in your home. There's a four percent
chance if you're a poor black kid. Okay, that's a
factual data. The people who are being victimized by this
(46:52):
are and then the evidence you well know this. He
talks about this, but as well, when you grow up
in poverty, you tend to replicate the same kind of
situations you have kids young. This is why the four
things that I've been hammering for a long time, graduate
high school, get a job, get married, don't have a
kid till you're twenty five.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Your poverty rate is zero, regardless of your race.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
People won't talk about these facts, Buck because they're afraid
of the facts, leading to them being called races. Which
is why these white people say, oh, you don't need
a two parent household.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
What you're saying is true. I do think it's more
than that though as well. The modern democrat left of
the last six I'm trying to do the math here.
Let's call it last sixty years or so their contribution.
I'm sorry, well, I'm gonna cut you off. We got
major breaking news. Hunter Biden indicted on gun charges.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Wow, fuck Sexton, major blockbuster news. Sorry to cut you off,
mid mid I'm real was about to wat philosophical about
the last seventy years of the American welfare state and
family dissolution Hunter Biden.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
So they did indict Okay, all right, all right over this,
let's go to break. Do I get a stake over
the indictment? No?
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Not over know if he goes to prison, Uh, we'll read,
We'll give you the APPSCE.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm sorry to cut you off. I know you were gonna.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Wax philosophical there, but I was so excited when my
new when I got the news alert on my.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Phone to pop up. Here it's this You're you're celebrating
so early.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
They're gonna do a plea deal here or Joe's gonna
step in.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Hunter is not going to prison here.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Here is all I want to say. This judge in Delaware, Noriyeika.
If she doesn't ask questions, I know hero in the
history of the jurisdemic, and I.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Love her again.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
I love her, I want her autograph. I'd like to
meet her at some point. The judge got rid of
the mask mandate more.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
But we'll we'll like.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Her to look at the details of the two favorite
and let's see what actually happens. An indictment does not
mean that there is a trial. That does not mean
anyone goes to prison. It does not mean that anything
bad happens to them. There are four indictments against Trump,
which we talk about a lot, as we know, so
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