May 8, 2024 • 55 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Wednesday edition of the Klay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now, and we've got a big show
for you. Alena Haba will be with us in the
second hour. Trump attorney in the civil case before, and
she's going to tell us about what she thinks about
what's going on here in NYC with the Alvin Bragg prosecution,
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persecution of Donald Trump. Also Dave McCormick, big finance guy,
army veteran and running for Senate in Pennsylvania. You're going
to talk about the some of the specific encampments in
Pennsylvania and these protest encampments and the governor of Pennsylvania
what he's been up to. He's Democrat, so we shall
have that discussion. But the big stuff today, the big
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news today that we have to dive into right away,
Donald Trump trials. We knew this was going to happen.
It is not in the least bit surprising that there's
going to be a Trump trial dominance in the news cycle,
even in a presidential election year. Instead of rallies, we
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are focusing in on court appearances because that's what's happening,
and in some cases instead of rallies, there are these
court appearances. So let's start with some good news. Good
news if you believe in injustice, and that is that
the judge Eileen Cannon, who is overseeing the Trump Documents
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moral lago obstruction case, has made it so it's very
unlikely that trial is going to happen now before the election.
She's pushed back the start date on the calendar, some
issues of classification that have to be adjudicated, which I
always thought was going to be the case. Clay, we'll
dive into the analysis on this in a second. I
(01:55):
just want to lay out another bit of news. Eric
Adams admitted at a press conference yesterday that the New
York City prison director for Rikers Island has had discussions
with the city about how they would incarcerate Donald Trump.
I think that that should be noted that he said
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he tried to dance around it, but eventually he said, yeah, no,
we're ready for that now. He didn't say it's going
to happen, he just said they're ready for it. So
discussions about whether Trump could be put in jail on
contempt or perhaps even upon a guilty verdict are not
crazy in the least because there are already discussions about
how they would logistically do it. But Clay, let's start
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with the Eileen Canon situation. The Libs are very upset
about this, very upset. She has indefinitely postponed the trial
significant issues around classified evidence that have to be worked out.
I knew this was the case, Clay, because even in
really egregious classified information prosecutions, there's always this problem of is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It really classified? And if it is really.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Classified, the jury has to see it to really know
that it's so classified. And if the jury can't see
it because it's so sensitive, how can the jury know?
And if a jury does see it and it's super sensitive,
well aren't we then just telling more people the nuclear secrets,
so to speak, or something really important? And is it
really worth the government's time to do that? Anyway? That's
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how this stuff goes down. I know you're looking at
Eiland Cannon. The more she upsets the Libs, the more
justice is done. What do you make of all this?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
This is this case is never going to trial. I
think this case is never going to trial even if
Trump loses in twenty twenty four, because what Judge Cannon
has pointed out is there are now issues with how
this is ridiculous and absurd, but this is where we are.
There are issues with how the government has handled and
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cataloged the classified documents that they claim Donald Trump mishandled.
So we're now in a situation where the government raid
about mishandled classified documents has now led to the government
acknowledging that in some ways it mishandled the classified documents
and catalog of those classified documents, and Judge Cannon is
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actually willing to ask these questions. She's also contemplating the
entire selective prosecution aspect to this, where Mike Pence gets a, hey,
you did find no issues. Joe Biden gets a hey,
he's a doddering old man. His mental capacity is too
weak to allow him to be charged with a crime.
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Hillary Clinton gets a well, yes, you've committed a crime,
but we're not going to prosecute. And then Donald Trump
gets you have to spend the rest of your life
in prison because you mishandled classified documents. And the way
it's being set up, the raid, the Biden administration's involvement,
this is all a sham. And what's funny to me
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about this buck is Eileen Cannon is just asking the
judge here basic questions to try to get the everything
lined up. And people on the left, they live in
such a delusional echo chamber that somehow they're stun that
this case is not going to happen. We've been telling
our audience for a year now. I think I set
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the number at one. It's going to be one case
that gets completed. And somehow on the left they have
no idea that this is the case, even though it's
been self evident for anyone with a functional brain for
some time where all this was headed.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, they were wrong about everything Russia collusion in
the most spectacular way. And you'll notice that some of
the same pundits, politicians, legal experts who are so certain
that Trump is in deep trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Remember, there's a joke during the Trump administration. It became
a joke, the walls are closing in. He's finally gone
too far. For four years they said this, and of
course the walls never closed in, and he had not
gone too far. They did not lose, though, the people
that were saying that any credibility on the left, because
this is about satisfying the emotions of the left wing mom.
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And if you want to be on TV and you
want to sell books, and you want to be you
want to get votes. If you're a politician, you have
to tell people what they want to hear about Trump,
and that means everything legal against Trump. They've got him.
He broke the law. It's going to go badly for him.
They said this. Even about the issue of the state ballots.
There were a lot of people going on television saying
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it's completely First of all, there were judges who said
it was legitimate. Think about that for a moment. Lower
court judges in the state of Colorado, but Colorado and
Maine tried to remove Trump from the ballot, and Nino
the Supreme Court said, effectively, you guys are out of
your mind. Absolutely cannot do that. Okay. And the people
that were saying the other stuff that was wrong, they're
now the same people saying, oh, it's so horrible what
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Aileen Cannon is doing.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But Clay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They're also the people who say they went after Hunter
Biden because he's Biden's son, not because he broke the law.
They are living in a delusional, alternate universe, and Trump
is the thing that spirals them more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I also think this is a situation where a lot
of people in media are afraid of having an opinion
if they're not highly educated in this space.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And so the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Strangle point on the left is completely occupied by people
who say, Oh, Trump's going to spend the rest of
his life in prison. Oh, these charges are so significant, Oh,
removing him from the ballot is very valid because there
aren't that many actual quote unquote legal experts. When The
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New York Times at a tour page is filled with
people saying this is a serious situation. When MSNBC and
CNN are filled with people in this same way, what
you really have is a choke point where there aren't
that many people who are willing to oppose them. And
as a result, you can ease more easily seen an
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artificial narrative than you could on something where everybody feels
comfortable having an opinion. Does that make sense, because I
do think what they're particularly skilled that in terms of
narrative shaping is recognizing choke points and making sure that
they grab everything in the area of the choke point.
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And this is why they really want to restrict speech
so substantially. But really, the loser here is the audience. Right,
if you're a diehard MSNBC fan and you had been told, oh,
what Colorado did is legit, Oh, what Maine did is legit.
If you read the New York Times editorial page and
then it's nine oh, you should not be angry at
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the Supreme Court for the nine oh decision. You should
be angry at all of the prognosticators who told you
that this was a legitimate threat to Trump and he
was gonna be off the ballot.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But they're not willing. Well, you're but you're approaching it
as a person of emotional stability and who looks at
these things rationally. We see it claim when the Supreme
Court says nine to oh, their response is, well, the
Supreme Court is now is illegitimate? The Supreme Court itself
is the problem. Right, There's always yes, and there's a shift.
There's a boy, there's always a shifting of the blame
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away from the idiots who are telling them things that
were not true. And in this classified documents case, let's
remember photos which got out into the media of these
super classified documents arrayed on the floor like they were doing.
You know, one of those put drugs and guns on
the table raids. Those who have seen the wire know
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what I'm talking about. Drugs and guns on the table.
You know, that's how the cops in some show that
they're cracking down, Right, You get a couple kilos of
heroin or some files of crack and you get a
Mac ten that was a big thing in the nineties.
You know, you get one of a Tech nine. Remember
that you put that on the table. Looks scary. Oh look,
we're doing our job. They did that with classified documents,
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a raid on the floor. Part of the issue here
is what was that. What were the handling procedures for
these classified documents? Did you move them around? Did you
actually take them as you were supposed to?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This? Guess what?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In our system you get to adjudicate these things. You
don't get to ram this through against the defendant because
there's an election coming up that you decided, meaning the Democrats,
to ignore so you could take this guy down.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We need to talk also. So that happened yesterday afternoon,
shortly after we went off the air. So the South
Florida classified documents case is not going to go to trial,
I don't think ever, but certainly not until after the
twenty twenty four election. Okay, also we come back, we'll
start to break this down. Fanny Willis is done for.
(11:05):
I think she's gonna get removed from the duck. She's
gonna be Fanny because she keeps showing her ass. This
is one that I'm intentionally mispronouncing, and she is done for.
The Georgia Court of Appeals has decided that they are
going to examine the ruling from the I know this
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is all very complicated. It's like you're going to law
school because there's also many different moving parts here. We'll
talk about it. But what you need to know is
Trump is winning in a big way in all of
these cases except New York. Even in New York. I
think New York is going well for him. Oh no,
it's going well that too. But it's not It's a
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long way, you know, it's a long way. The only
case that's going to happen, and it's the most sham
ridiculous kangaroo court absurdity.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I'm not convinced they're not going to start the Jay
sixth case. And if they started in September the DC case,
not convinced they play. Why wouldn't they If they can
what's going to stop them. I don't think they're going
to be allowed to do it. We'll talk about that.
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If they can't, they stop them well, because I think
what the Supreme Court is going to say is you
have to have a factual hearing to determine which of
these actions that you have alleged are specifically related to
the presidency and outside the scope of the presidency. And
then we have to determine that before we could even
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have a case. And I don't think they're going to
give it back to them until after July fourth. They're
going to give it back to them. They're going to
give it back to them in June and the courts below.
The only way it doesn't happen is if there's some
if the Supreme Court intervenes again in some way. Otherwise
they will fast track the whole thing. They will fast
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track the Jason I don't think that. I don't think
the timing on it's going to work. Who decides that
it doesn't work because the judgment. We'll come back after this, Okay,
we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'll lay that out.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Alena Haba, one of the Trump attorneys who has
been battling so much of this crazy, ridiculous law fair. Alena,
I've been trying to put my lawyer hat on here.
I don't practice, thankfully anymore, and they're trying to make
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my law license away for saying that I hope somebody's
focus has been jury selection for a while now. I
don't know if you saw that, but they're trying to
take my law license away for saying that I hope
somebody's a patriot on the jury and will vote not guilty.
In the current case with Stormy Daniels. But I want
to start here with you. I went and read the
transcript of the Stormy Daniels testimony and the cross x
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that has happened so far. I don't see how in
the world this is not grounds for a mistrial. Whatever
you think about Trump, there's no reason that there should
have been any testimony at all about the alleged sexual act.
It doesn't involve in any way the accusations that have
been made against Trump in the affidavits or the crimes.
Looking at this purely, I know you're a Trump attorney,
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but you've been in a lot of courtrooms. Can you
believe that the judge allowed the testimony that he did yesterday.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
No, I don't want to speak about her in particular. Obviously,
she's a witness, and she's under oath currently, and we
haven't done our cross examination completely yet. So let me
speak generally. When you have a case like this that's
about books and records, there is only one reason to distract.
There is only one reason to have any kind of
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testimony that wouldn't have to do directly with the facts
and the law on point, And I think that the
reason is very simple. The whole purpose of this case,
and I've said this a million times, and I think
it became very clear frankly this week, was that this
is solely to number one, key President Trump off the
campaign trail, because I don't think Biden can beat him
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if he was fully campaigning. I think he can't beat
him even with the minimal campaigning that he's able to
do with all of these Biden administration trials. Right, So
that's first. Second, it's very clear that there just isn't
a case. It was clear when the case was brought
with the indictment, when va Brad couldn't say what the
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basis was. That was the first indication in his press conference.
And now it's even more clear because there's distraction after distraction.
There were guardrails put in place. There was extensive motion
practice by the attorneys, and I think that you know,
when it's disregarded, I think that's grounds for a mistrial.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Alena, it's buck. Thanks for being with us. Just I
want to make sure that I have this right because
the way, for example, I've been saying that when they
refer to this as a hush money trial, that's not
really accurate because it's a business records trial, and I
feel like they like to call it a hush money
trial because it sounds maybe a little more salacious or whatever.
But the paying of the hush money, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, no, I agree, salicious exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The paying of the hush money clearly not illegal. The
illegal acts here that they're alleging.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Just really, can you just take us through.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So the claim is that they said it was a
legal expense in Trump's own records. It's not even like
this was you know, provided to the public in some
big way or you know, under oath or anything else.
The legal records internally for Trump of saying that this
was a legal expense to pay off this woman who
was extorting Donald Trump. By the way, that then, because
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that could have had some ancillary effect on public perception
about Donald Trump had it gone out because they had
to record it, that could have affected the election, and
therefore it's election interference.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Is that basically right?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yes. So basically, let's say you settle a case in
your Let's say President Trump right now settles a case
and he books settlement at a legal expense, and he
didn't even book it. Let's remind you everybody that he
was in the White House, and this was booked by
the Trump organization by an accountant who didn't speak directly
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to President Trump, and you know we.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Have those Wait wait, Alien, I'm sorry, this is really
important though.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
If that's the case, how could it affect the election,
if you'd already won the election.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Well, that's the whole point. It doesn't. It's a far
reaching witch hunt. And it's a hope that he says that,
and I love those adjectives. But you know, the amount
of Americans that can actually explain what this trial is
about is very small because no one knows because there's
just so much noise. But you explained it really well. Look,
a lawyer was paid a lawyer invoice the Trump organization.
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They book that payment as a legal expense period the end.
Now you bring in all the other noise, and I'll
just speak generally, all that noise that's for political reasons.
That's not laws and facts, and that's not what's supposed
to happen in courtrooms. But I've seen it. You guys
have seen it. Now for many many months, these corproceeedings
are now no longer about court about justice, about law
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and order, about the Constitution. They're about number one getting
President Trump off the campaign trail, number two trying to
embarrass him, and number three made up stories that are
all being done in coordination. And if there's any question
about that, just look at the White House logs. Why
are all these people visiting the Biden administration right before
they bring claims against President Trump? Why are some of
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these cases like this one eight years later two DA's
said they weren't going to bring charges. I mean, the
only time they decided that to change their mind and
bring it was after he said he was running. I mean,
it's a story that I wish I wasn't seeing in
American history, but it's real and it's happening, and we're
in the fight of our lives at this moment.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Elena, I'm sure you saw New York City Mayor Eric
Adams say that there had been preparations in the event
that Trump were put in jail at Rikers Island and
how they would handle it. I'm assuming on the defense team,
you guys have to sit around and talk about how
you would respond in the event that Judge Merchand, who
has threatened this, did decide for a contempt of court
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citation to put Trump in jail, what would the defense
do and what is the appellate process, Like I frankly
don't know to keep Trump from being put in a
jail cell over these contempt allegations, which to me are
a clear restriction of his ability to campaign and aren't,
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on their face, again, this is my legal opinion, aren't
on their face permissible given what's going on right now.
But how much preparation do you guys have in the
event that merchand decides to escalate this and puts Trump
in a jail cell over what he has been saying?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I really can't speak to that. Anything like that
would be privileged. I can tell you that obviously that
would be completely ridiculous and unconstitutional. His First Amendment rights
are being violated. He can't speak. But if you have
any question about it, look at how the other side
can speak. There's no gag order for them. That the
defendant who's supposed to have a trial and be innocent
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till proven guilty, he's the one with a gag order.
Usually it's the other way around. And by the way,
they're doing the same acts. They're out there spreading words.
People involved in the case are talking about it. It's
crazy as far as the whole jail thing. You know,
there's so many levels. The fact that we're even talking
about it makes me sick. But there are so many
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levels of people. There's obviously, you know, secret service detail
that covers him then and when I say cover, I
mean they're his details. So I'm sure that he would
be involved. But now that's not something we sit around
and talk about right now. What we do is try
and cite this ridiculous case against da Bragg.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I just you know, we have so many questions want
to ask you about about all these other trials as well.
How is Trump abel? You know, how is President Trump
abel to just keep showing up and keep doing this
On a just a personal level, I'm curious. I know
people that have been broken by you know, like a
like a tax investigation or something in the past, face
four peneral indictments of a farcical nature, and yet he
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still seems to have pretty good cheer, pretty good energy.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah. I think he said it best. He said, life
is life. If he if he, if he were to
allow this to break him, then what hope do we have?
And I think he sees the big picture that he
really is in the way between them and us, and
he needs to get to November. He needs to win
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this election so that we can save our country. So
I honestly think it all turns on that. You know,
he's not just a regular guy. He's a former president,
he's likely the future president. And if he doesn't fight,
like hell, we're in trouble. So I think that motivates
a certain person. And you know, not everybody can put
up with what he's put up with. He's resilient and strong, so,
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you know, and I don't just say that he truly
is Alena.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
We appreciate the battles that you're fighting on behalf of Trump.
I know a lot of our listeners do too. Last
question for you, because I know you have to get out.
Georgia Court of Appeals is going to consider Fanny Willis
whether she should stay on the case. Also down in
South Florida, Judge Eileen Cannon has ended the May twentieth
trial date. Both of those big wins for the Trump team.
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What can you say about those decisions that have come
down in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, I think they're great decisions. I think they're a
step in the right direction. Obviously, we still have a
lot of work to do. But you know, we saw
with the jack Smith cases and all these cases they're
falling apart. We've seen miss Willis. You know, she's obviously
dealt with financials in the way that she should not.
She's hired people she should not.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
She's had.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Alleged relationships so that she should not, et cetera, et cetera.
And again political law fair jack Smith, we saw that
they mishandled the evidence, they were sloppy, and then they
decided to just put that in the footnote and maybe
thought nobody would notice. I'm not really sure what their
idea was there, but it's this constant rush of trials
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to try and get him in front of a court
before the twenty twenty four election, to try and hope
that they get a judge that is left wing, get
a left wing jury maybe and see him get taken
again off the campaign trail, possibly in jail. This is
what they want. It's by design. But with time we're seeing,
as in the past couple of days, that these do
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get crumbled. We thought with the ag case, you know,
four to seventy five million. It took us some time
in the appel division, but then they brought it down. There
is a due process, there is some remnants of law
and order in our country, and slowly and surely it
will reveal what their true intentions were, and these cases
will and should all be dismissed.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Elena hob everybody Trump Attorney Alena, we would really like
it if you'd come back as more developments happen here
and just tell us what's really going on, because this
audience is very attuned to this and we can all
see the injustices being perpetrated against President Trump. Thank you
so much for being with us, and thank you for
staying in the fight.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Of course, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
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curry favor with the video viewers, will bring Ginger the
dog into view. Speaking of the view we got a
lot to dive into. Alena Hobb is going to be
with us at the bottom of this hour a little
bit after one point thirty on the East Coast, so
in about thirty minutes or so, to talk about the
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latest law fair against Trump. She obviously is one of
the Trump attorneys on television regularly. And then top of
the next hour we're going to be joined by Dave McCormick,
who's officially unveiling his ad campaign in the big Pennsylvania
Senate race. We'll talk about Saul Fetterman on Fox News
sitting down with Brett Bayer will probably ask him about
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Fetterman and Moore. But this just happened. Credit to Greg
on our staff who grabbed it. The View, which is
the dumbest show on television on a daily basis, had
Bacari Sellers, who I would probably say is around the
nine hundred and forty second smartest contributor on CNN. Just
not a very smart dude, and he's been coming after
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me on social media. Some of you may have seen it,
but he decided to go on the View and say
that people like Tucker Carlson and then Ben Shapiro and
me were not smart enough to be able to have
an intelligent debate, and so we made millions of dollars
by talking to I guess, dumb people and not actually
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advocating our beliefs. So I want to play you that cut.
This just happened on the View.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Enjoy Tucker has he's in this silo, and I knew
there was a problem when he was able to go
on primetime TV and talk about the great replacement theory,
which is rooted in white supremacy, and it's fear, it's grievance,
it's all of these things, and it just permeates itself
and it manifests itself and hate. And the problem is
that they had ads that play before and ads to
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play after. And you have these individuals, the Clay Travises
of the world, the Ben Shapiro's of the world, these
people who don't necessarily have the intellect to have honest discussions.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
But.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Yet they're able to become millionaires because they're actually just
just circulizing and promulgating this fear.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, I mean, first of all, you don't feel badly
because because you guys don't know about the honey badger, right,
you know about the meme of the honey badger.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Clay when it comes to these things.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Is the honey badger. He will fight endlessly. He will
fight anything, it doesn't matter, he will fight. So there
you go.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So you heard Woopy Goldberg say, yeah, when he said
that I was dumb and not able to intellectually defend myself.
I don't see any other response from the view that
is possible. Other than having me on as a guest,
and I will go on Buck one v.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Four.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I think they're a four host.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'll take on Joy Behar, I'll take on Whoopy Goldberg,
Sonny Houston, and Alissa Fara I think is the other Griffin.
She may have gotten married. I think that's the quod.
I will go on one v four and I will
allow them to question me on anything under the sun.
I think I will intellectually eviscerate them. Maybe I'm wrong,
(31:31):
maybe they'll dunk on me, maybe I'll get embarrassed. But
don't you think their audience, given that I've been attacked
at Woopy Goldberg, has endorsed the fact that I'm not
intelligent enough to defend my beliefs, don't you think they're
actually obligated to have me on as a guest? Now,
I mean, wouldn't that be fair. We'll have any of
the view people on. We've never run from anybody being
a guest on this show. But if you're gonna go
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on and say somebody's not smart and they only get
rich because they get to talk to dumb people basically,
which is what they're saying, shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
They have me on? Improve it? I mean also not
that I'm a big credentials guy, but you know, to
go after the Harvard law guy and the Vanderbilt law
guy as the dumbest people and conservative. Look, mister Seller's
Bacari Sellers, right, that's his name. Thing. Yeah, he's not
very smart based on what he says on television.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Maybe in person he's quite sharp and brilliant, but his
commentary on TV is of a very low level. And
you know, I think the view should have you on.
I think that you having been on the Bill Marshaw,
I will tell you, no matter how forceful and eloquent
and versatile and debate you may be, when you have
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four on one because you have limited talking time or else,
you start to look like a crazy person. No matter what.
If it's four people at a table and you're there
and you're talking, you know more than thirty forty percent
of the time, it's gonna and also they're gonna shout
over you. But I still think they should have you on.
I think that would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
They had Ted Cruz on if I remember correctly, and
that was pretty good television because he had a book out.
But again, of all the people that you could attack
in media leave me aside. You could agree or disagree
with Ben Shapiro. Pretty smart dude. I mean, like, if
if you want to disagree with his opinions, I think
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that's fair. He's a Harvard lawger ad. I mean, you
don't get to graduate from Harvard law school. Generally speaking,
there's probably some exceptions with I think Sonny Houstin's a
Notre Dame law gerrad, so I think there are some exceptions.
You know, sometimes you can kind of fight your way through.
Ben's got a pretty decent You should.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Go on only if Sonny Houston promises to have an
official print out of her l SAT score and bring
it on air and prove that she got into Notre
Dame with anywhere near anywhere near the median l SAT
score for Notre Dame. I mean I would even throw
a large wager behind it if I were you.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What, I could also require masking just to make sure
that we're taking the virus seriously, which would I think
you should definitely go on set and be like, have
you guys gotten your seventh boosters?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Why don't you take the virus seriously? What about mutations?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know what's interesting when you look at this.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is why I always thought COVID is so important
for a whole bunch of reasons, and I'm still a
little bit fixated on the importance of it over the
long term to humanity and certainly in this country. The
people who are wrong about all that are wrong about
all this too, you know what I mean. They just
keep They just go from one issue to another of
being deeply emotionally invested and certain of their position, and
(34:36):
then reality eventually overtakes it. They are wrong, and they
never stop and think, maybe the other side that was right,
Maybe I should at least take them more seriously or
give them a fair hearing. It's always a total dismissal.
I know what the left believes, you know what the
left leaves. They don't even know what we think. They
just have phrases, epithets, things like calling you and Ben
(34:59):
Shapiro's do But I'll say, I mean people, yeah, some
leftists have said before.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I don't know if they've never ever called me stupid,
but I will say, if they call me dumb, it
doesn't offend me, you know what I mean, It's like
calling me bald, doesn't offend me.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, First of all, I have a high level of
what it would take to offend me, which is probably healthy.
But given what is said out there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
You can say that Clay is insufficiently insufficiently devoted to
the Tennessee Valls.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
That would be that would be an insult. I would
be I would be offended by that. But it's it's
all to your point. They keep getting hit by reality,
and the reality doesn't penetrate the force field of ignorance
that they have built around them. And the nine oh
(35:48):
Supreme Court case is a perfect example of this, because
they spent all this time telling their audience, Hey, this
is this is a real thing, like this, this the
way that this.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
They had all these.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Great lawyers writing editorial pieces saying, this is a really
tough call. This may Trump's not eligible for the ballot.
They basically goaded the Colorado Supreme Court into the ruling
that they put out there, and then nine oh the
Supreme Court says, yeah, and this is not really a
tough call.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Well, I would also just I would point out that
never in my in my immediate career, I would assume
same same for you have I said that a Supreme Court,
a major Supreme Court case was going to go one
way and it went nine to oh the other way.
You know, I'll be off five, four, six, three. Fine, Right,
that's a coin flip that could happen. I've never said, oh,
(36:39):
the Supreme Court is going to strike this down and
nine oh they uphold something like That's never happened to
me one time.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And I think it's worthy.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's a worthy point of reflection, Like, if you can
be that bad at legal analysis, why should anyone, you know,
why should anyone listen to you. It'd be like if
if you're listening to somebody who says, you know, invest
in this real estate market, housing prices are only going
to go up and housing prices go down ninety percent,
You're probably not gonna listen to that person. Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And I guess what I'm surprised by is if you
were told things that clearly were wrong over and over again.
Trump is the perfect example. They have said. I mean,
it's Lucy with the football, and every time they're Charlie
Brown running up and every single time Lucy pulls the football.
And I really think we've talked about this off air
(37:27):
and a little bit on air. What is going to
happen if Trump wins in twenty twenty four. They got
their salvation. Really, I mean they got lucky on COVID
because COVID happened in an election year and that made
Trump vulnerable. And I don't think Trump handled the COVID response. Well,
we've talked about this before, and that made him vulnerable.
(37:50):
And then they got their salvation, which was jan six.
Their idea of Trump is a unique threat to democracy
and he's evil. They got January sixth, which was the
deepest fruition of their dreams that Jan six could have
ever happened. And yet if Trump comes back and wins,
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these people's brains already broken, are gonna split into a
billion pieces.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I don't even know they remember when the Raiders of
the Lost Dark, when the Ark of the Covenant opens
up and all the Nazis' faces melt off. Yes, I'm
not saying that it happen, but it might kind of
feel like that's happening. I love saying spoiler alert on
the old movies.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, And if somebody's out there, I've never seen Raiders
of the Lost Dark, you just spoiled it for me. Yes,
I mean, that's that's a perfect analogy for what may
well happen.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And what is likely to occur.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
And I think right now, are they slowly, in your
mind starting to recognize that Trump is favored to win
or do you think they still find it to be
impossible that he could win. I don't know what their
mindset truly is. They are anxious, they are not confident.
I still think they believe they can pull it out, though,
but they there is Democrat anxiety around where they.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Of course, how could there not be. This should if
if what is if what they say about Trump is true,
Trump should be down twenty points. You're right, if what
they believe about Donald Trump as a threat to democracy
and all this other stuff. The fundamental flaw in their
argument is what I mentioned today. And it was even
some Democrat who said, like, I hate Trump. But I
(39:34):
remember I sent this to you a camera. It was
not some famous person, but it was just some tweet
that I sent or an ex post whatever. And the
guy says, look, the problem with the argument that Democrats have.
The central problem is that Trump was president for four
years and you had peace in a booming economy, and
everything was better than it is now pretty much crossed
the board. The people saying, oh, what about COVID. Biden's
first year sucked. We were all, you know, we were
(39:56):
getting shots we didn't need, and we still had lockdowns.
You know, It's like, so, if you're going to compare
COVID to COVID, it's a lot harder to be president
the first year of COVID in the second year, and
Biden was an absolute disaster in COVID, wrong on everything, divisive, spiteful.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
And Trump didn't handle COVID well. But how many people
do you think would have handled COVID well in twenty
twenty DeSantis did in Florida, Brian Kemp did in Georgia.
I think, honestly, Rand Paul would have been probably the
greatest president we could have had for COVID to have.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Heard, well, you've heard this right.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
If I could just like make someone president, you know,
if Trump got four more years, is said, who could
you just like parachute in and their president. They don't
have to go through an election because I don't think
he can win a national election. But I have so
much respect for Rand Paul. I think he would be
in the role phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think Rand Paul, probably because he's also a doctor,
would have had the ability to kind of keep things
somewhat sane on COVID. But I think the number of
politicians that would have been in office for the final
year of the president like, things would have been worse
With Hillary. I don't think there's any doubt. Whoever you
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Speaker 1 (42:52):
We've got Dave McCormick with us.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
He is a US Army veteran former CEO of Bridgewater
Massive Hedge Fund, and he is running for Senate and
we need him. No pressure, Dave, But I mean the
future of the election and maybe the future of the
Republic rests on your ability to win and help deliver Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
So you know, we know.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
You're used to.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
I'm ready. How are you?
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So we're good? You know, we're really trying to every day.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Now we're in an election cycle now, right, I mean, we're
really feeling it's it's the election day. Feels like it's
barreling towards us, or we're barreling toward it, and we're
trying to make sure that we bring as much awareness
of the particular battlegrounds that matter as possible. We've talked
to you before about the situation Pennsylvania. First off, I
wanted to ask to get into the current news cycle
(43:44):
and what's going on. There are some encampments on schools
in Pennsylvania, right, some of these sort of pro hamas encampments.
How have they been handled and what can you tell
us about how that's going in your state?
Speaker 6 (43:58):
Well, I think in general, it's a real disgrace that
these encampments persist, and it's most prominently in Pennsylvania's at
the University of Pennsylvania, and I visited there last week
last Wednesday, and you have one of these situations where
the administration has said very clearly what's happening is an
absolute violation of campus policy. We walked past these encampments.
(44:22):
We had some kids take us around. There's probably five
hundred kids in that encampment. They speculate only about a
third of them or actually Penn students. The most vile
things Zionism is racism. Go back to Poland from the
river to the sea. You know, it is vicious and
it's really it's really intimidating to the Jewish kids and
(44:43):
other kids to walk through there. They've shut down classes.
It is a travesty and there's not enough moral leadership
and leadership in general to get control of these things.
And you know what I've said publicly is, you know,
if you're the president of Penn, you should since the
shut down that encampment. If it's students of Pen, they
(45:04):
should be expelled or have a disciplinary action. If it's
outside agitators, they should be arrested by the police of
the City of Philadelphia and get control of this thing.
Because it's just and this is not about First Amendment.
What they're doing is completely violation of the policy and
goes well beyond the protections the First Amendment by inciting
(45:26):
violence and bigoted hatred and behavior.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Dave, we appreciate you coming on with us. We know
you're all over the state of Pennsylvania campaigning. I'm assuming
inflation cost of goods is still overwhelmingly what you hear
about the most in your experience. What are Pennsylvanians the
most focused on and how do you think that plays
into not only your Senate race, but also obviously the
(45:51):
presidential race as Pennsylvania, along with Michigan and Wisconsin big
ten states, probably going to decide this election.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
Yeah, I think the two issues of inflation and abortion.
I'm sorry, inflation and border are the two big issues.
Inflation sixty percent of Pennsylvanians with paycheck to paycheck, and
prices for them are up twenty percent twenty one percent.
Real wages are only up fourteen percent, So most Pennsylvanians
are getting squeezed on food, fuel, rent, and it's making
(46:22):
it harder and harder. And then interest payments on a
pickup trunk or interest payments on new house make them
almost twice as expensive as they were before Biden came
into office. And this is the direct result of President Biden,
and Bob Casey supported him every step of the way,
about ninety eight percent of time with him. The direct
result of this excessive spending. We've had too much spending
(46:43):
from Republicans and Democrats alike, but it has gone through
the roof under Biden. Six trillion dollars of incremental spending
and the war on oil and gas, and those are
the drivers of inflation. And the voters absolutely don't believe
this nonsense that Bidenomics is making our lives better. They
see what it's doing. So that's issue number one. A
(47:05):
close second is the border. Ten million illegal migrants, I mean,
are you kidding me? The national security implications of you know,
one hundred and sixty people apprehended on the terrorist watch list.
You guys know these statistics. Those are just the ones
that are apprehended. And then the fentanyl crisis. It's a
huge deal for Pennsylvania. We lost four thousand Pennsylvanians last year.
(47:28):
These cartels pushed the fentanyl and that's just in Pennsylvania.
Least cartels pushed the fentanyl across the border, and it's
in Pennsylvania. Within a couple of days, and it's killing
people almost one hundred thousand nationally. So that issue, the border,
the economic burden, the crime, the national securities, and then
the fentanyl. I mean, if you and if the three
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of us were sitting in a room together the Dave
Biden took office, we could have never imagined the border
would get this out of control. And it's I think
people look at it and see a lack of leadership
in chaos. And again, Bob Casey voted for sanctuary cities,
voted against the wall, voted against funding for border patrol,
voted against the fentanyl initiative. Bob Casey and Joe Biden
(48:12):
own this border, and I think it's the second defining
issue for Pennsylvanians. And I think for those reasons. You know,
President Trump's ahead in the polls and I'm closing fast
in the polls, and I think people just want new
leadership that can undo this chaos.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
We're speaking of David Cormick running for Senate in Pennsylvania
against Casey and Dave. I want to bring something to
you because we talked a little bit about the campus
situation and looking at the Pennsylvania state of play going
into the election. John Fetterman, I don't know what else
to say. We've been saying on the show, so we
have to stand behind it. He's been solid on the
(48:49):
Israel Gaza issue. Based on everything that I've seen so far,
I know he's almost a Bernie Sanders disciple on a
bunch of other stuff. But here's what I'm getting at.
Are they going to play a game here with the
various you know, high level democrats in your state. You've
got the governor is what's his name? Shapiro, You've got Shapiro,
(49:14):
You've got Fetterman. Are they going to do the whole Oh,
we go our own way. We're not these crazy leftist
democrats that have been running the country the last four years. Like,
I just want to know if we're if you're seeing that,
and if that's something you're trying to get ahead of
right where they do the head fake of well, we're
not crazy like the rest of the Democrats in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Yeah, I actually think you know, Fedaman's a mystery to
me too, But I think we're in such a crisis.
I think you have to just call balls and strikes.
And I'm sure Fetterman and I disagree on ninety percent
of his views, but on this crisis with Israel, what's
happening in the campuses, he's been a voice of clarity
(49:56):
and moral courage, and I appreciate it. So I've said,
I've said, you know, on this John Feederm and I agree,
and uh, I think it actually makes Casey look that
much weaker because here, you here, you have an example
of someone who is from the Democratic Party, very progressive,
who sees the right and wrong of this. I give him,
I give him all the benefit of doubt. I think
(50:18):
he really believes everything he's saying, and I think he's uh,
he's stepping up and saying it. Where Casey tries to
have it both ways. Let me give you an example.
He says he's against anti Semitism, and then he endorses
Summer Lead, who is a member of the Squad and
in explicitly anti Semitic and has been associated with all
(50:38):
these radical groups, has refused to call uh October seventh
genocide and a and a and a you know, a
barbaric act that it was. So you can't have it
both ways. This is a test. This is a test
for these college presidents, it's a test for our public. Officials.
Are you going to call call balls and strikes right
and wrong, good and evil? His credit has been good
(51:01):
on this, Bob Ksey, not so much.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
We hear a lot about the get out the vote
campaign that Pennsylvania has, and one of the stats that
I saw and that I hammer home, half the vote
was in for Federman before they even got to the
debate on the ground. Are Republicans not only for your
campaign but also for Donald Trump's going to have a
ground game so far as you can tell, that is
(51:26):
competitive with what Democrats have been able to do the
last couple of cycles in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (51:32):
Yeah, I think so. I'd say two things. One, Pennsylvania's
becoming redder and redder. Pennsylvania will be a red state
by twenty twenty six that's the big news. In twenty sixteen,
there were a million more registered Democrats and Republicans. Right
now there's three hundred and ninety thousand registered Democrats more
than Republicans, and by election day I think it'll be
(51:54):
three hundred. So we are becoming redder because of some
of the demographic shifts, because a lot of Democrats are
leaving the party and becoming Republicans. Working families and so
we get the win that are back that way. And
the key is to get these voters registered and get
them out to vote. And there's a lot of effort
being put into a ground game to do that. And
then the second thing is mail in ballots. And listen,
(52:16):
this is an area where I think we have alignment.
There's an outside group and a lot of efforts to
bring resources and focus on this. And President Trump, who
has been skeptical of mail in ballots and I think,
has essentially laid out his position which he's encouraged all
forms of voting, including mail in ballots in Pennsylvania. He
(52:36):
recognizes that we need that to win Pennsylvania. We need
to close that gap. We're not going to exceed the Democrats,
but we need to close that gap. His campaign and
my campaign and the RNC and all the various groups
are very aligned and working together on this. So it's
a big advantage the Democrats have. We're not going to
fix that advantage overnight, but I think we were going
(52:57):
to have an opportunity to really chip away at it.
Pennsylvan is going to be you know, when President Trump
wins and I win, we're gonna win by a few points.
So this really matters and it's part of the battle
plan to change leadership for our commonwealth, in our country.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Dave McCormick, everybody, Dave really appreciate you being with us.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (53:18):
Oh, you guys are great. Dave MCCORMICKPA dot com. Thanks
for having me and hope to see you soon.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Thanks someone, We will see you soon, for sure. I'm
gonna come up there. I'm gonna find a game. I'm
going to campaign with you. Can't wait to get up
to this, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Was gonna say it. I'm ready, man, we can we
can find a big pen steak game. It'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yes, we're gonna do it. I promise we'll get it
on the schedule here coming up soon. I got to
figure out exactly what my responsibilities are for Big Noon
for the Fox pregame show. But I will know that
sooner rather than later. We'll figure out a game that is.
Dave McCormick. Encourage you to go check out the website,
get registered if you're not registered in Pennsylvania, because you've
got a big Senate race and the presidential race both
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Wednesday edition of the Klay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now, and we've got a big show
for you. Alena Haba will be with us in the
second hour. Trump attorney in the civil case before, and
she's going to tell us about what she thinks about
what's going on here in NYC with the Alvin Bragg prosecution,
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persecution of Donald Trump. Also Dave McCormick, big finance guy,
army veteran and running for Senate in Pennsylvania. You're going
to talk about the some of the specific encampments in
Pennsylvania and these protest encampments and the governor of Pennsylvania
what he's been up to. He's Democrat, so we shall
have that discussion. But the big stuff today, the big
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news today that we have to dive into right away,
Donald Trump trials. We knew this was going to happen.
It is not in the least bit surprising that there's
going to be a Trump trial dominance in the news cycle,
even in a presidential election year. Instead of rallies, we
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are focusing in on court appearances because that's what's happening,
and in some cases instead of rallies, there are these
court appearances. So let's start with some good news. Good
news if you believe in injustice, and that is that
the judge Eileen Cannon, who is overseeing the Trump Documents
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moral lago obstruction case, has made it so it's very
unlikely that trial is going to happen now before the election.
She's pushed back the start date on the calendar, some
issues of classification that have to be adjudicated, which I
always thought was going to be the case. Clay, we'll
dive into the analysis on this in a second. I
(01:55):
just want to lay out another bit of news. Eric
Adams admitted at a press conference yesterday that the New
York City prison director for Rikers Island has had discussions
with the city about how they would incarcerate Donald Trump.
I think that that should be noted that he said
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he tried to dance around it, but eventually he said, yeah, no,
we're ready for that now. He didn't say it's going
to happen, he just said they're ready for it. So
discussions about whether Trump could be put in jail on
contempt or perhaps even upon a guilty verdict are not
crazy in the least because there are already discussions about
how they would logistically do it. But Clay, let's start
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with the Eileen Canon situation. The Libs are very upset
about this, very upset. She has indefinitely postponed the trial
significant issues around classified evidence that have to be worked out.
I knew this was the case, Clay, because even in
really egregious classified information prosecutions, there's always this problem of is.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
It really classified? And if it is really.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Classified, the jury has to see it to really know
that it's so classified. And if the jury can't see
it because it's so sensitive, how can the jury know?
And if a jury does see it and it's super sensitive,
well aren't we then just telling more people the nuclear secrets,
so to speak, or something really important? And is it
really worth the government's time to do that? Anyway? That's
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how this stuff goes down. I know you're looking at
Eiland Cannon. The more she upsets the Libs, the more
justice is done. What do you make of all this?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
This is this case is never going to trial. I
think this case is never going to trial even if
Trump loses in twenty twenty four, because what Judge Cannon
has pointed out is there are now issues with how
this is ridiculous and absurd, but this is where we are.
There are issues with how the government has handled and
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cataloged the classified documents that they claim Donald Trump mishandled.
So we're now in a situation where the government raid
about mishandled classified documents has now led to the government
acknowledging that in some ways it mishandled the classified documents
and catalog of those classified documents, and Judge Cannon is
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actually willing to ask these questions. She's also contemplating the
entire selective prosecution aspect to this, where Mike Pence gets a, hey,
you did find no issues. Joe Biden gets a hey,
he's a doddering old man. His mental capacity is too
weak to allow him to be charged with a crime.
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Hillary Clinton gets a well, yes, you've committed a crime,
but we're not going to prosecute. And then Donald Trump
gets you have to spend the rest of your life
in prison because you mishandled classified documents. And the way
it's being set up, the raid, the Biden administration's involvement,
this is all a sham. And what's funny to me
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about this buck is Eileen Cannon is just asking the
judge here basic questions to try to get the everything
lined up. And people on the left, they live in
such a delusional echo chamber that somehow they're stun that
this case is not going to happen. We've been telling
our audience for a year now. I think I set
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the number at one. It's going to be one case
that gets completed. And somehow on the left they have
no idea that this is the case, even though it's
been self evident for anyone with a functional brain for
some time where all this was headed.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
You know, they were wrong about everything Russia collusion in
the most spectacular way. And you'll notice that some of
the same pundits, politicians, legal experts who are so certain
that Trump is in deep trouble.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Me.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Remember, there's a joke during the Trump administration. It became
a joke, the walls are closing in. He's finally gone
too far. For four years they said this, and of
course the walls never closed in, and he had not
gone too far. They did not lose, though, the people
that were saying that any credibility on the left, because
this is about satisfying the emotions of the left wing mom.
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And if you want to be on TV and you
want to sell books, and you want to be you
want to get votes. If you're a politician, you have
to tell people what they want to hear about Trump,
and that means everything legal against Trump. They've got him.
He broke the law. It's going to go badly for him.
They said this. Even about the issue of the state ballots.
There were a lot of people going on television saying
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it's completely First of all, there were judges who said
it was legitimate. Think about that for a moment. Lower
court judges in the state of Colorado, but Colorado and
Maine tried to remove Trump from the ballot, and Nino
the Supreme Court said, effectively, you guys are out of
your mind. Absolutely cannot do that. Okay. And the people
that were saying the other stuff that was wrong, they're
now the same people saying, oh, it's so horrible what
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Aileen Cannon is doing.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But Clay.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
They're also the people who say they went after Hunter
Biden because he's Biden's son, not because he broke the law.
They are living in a delusional, alternate universe, and Trump
is the thing that spirals them more than anything else.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I also think this is a situation where a lot
of people in media are afraid of having an opinion
if they're not highly educated in this space.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
And so the.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Strangle point on the left is completely occupied by people
who say, Oh, Trump's going to spend the rest of
his life in prison. Oh, these charges are so significant, Oh,
removing him from the ballot is very valid because there
aren't that many actual quote unquote legal experts. When The
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New York Times at a tour page is filled with
people saying this is a serious situation. When MSNBC and
CNN are filled with people in this same way, what
you really have is a choke point where there aren't
that many people who are willing to oppose them. And
as a result, you can ease more easily seen an
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artificial narrative than you could on something where everybody feels
comfortable having an opinion. Does that make sense, because I
do think what they're particularly skilled that in terms of
narrative shaping is recognizing choke points and making sure that
they grab everything in the area of the choke point.
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And this is why they really want to restrict speech
so substantially. But really, the loser here is the audience. Right,
if you're a diehard MSNBC fan and you had been told, oh,
what Colorado did is legit, Oh, what Maine did is legit.
If you read the New York Times editorial page and
then it's nine oh, you should not be angry at
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the Supreme Court for the nine oh decision. You should
be angry at all of the prognosticators who told you
that this was a legitimate threat to Trump and he
was gonna be off the ballot.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But they're not willing. Well, you're but you're approaching it
as a person of emotional stability and who looks at
these things rationally. We see it claim when the Supreme
Court says nine to oh, their response is, well, the
Supreme Court is now is illegitimate? The Supreme Court itself
is the problem. Right, There's always yes, and there's a shift.
There's a boy, there's always a shifting of the blame
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away from the idiots who are telling them things that
were not true. And in this classified documents case, let's
remember photos which got out into the media of these
super classified documents arrayed on the floor like they were doing.
You know, one of those put drugs and guns on
the table raids. Those who have seen the wire know
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what I'm talking about. Drugs and guns on the table.
You know, that's how the cops in some show that
they're cracking down, Right, You get a couple kilos of
heroin or some files of crack and you get a
Mac ten that was a big thing in the nineties.
You know, you get one of a Tech nine. Remember
that you put that on the table. Looks scary. Oh look,
we're doing our job. They did that with classified documents,
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a raid on the floor. Part of the issue here
is what was that. What were the handling procedures for
these classified documents? Did you move them around? Did you
actually take them as you were supposed to?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This? Guess what?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In our system you get to adjudicate these things. You
don't get to ram this through against the defendant because
there's an election coming up that you decided, meaning the Democrats,
to ignore so you could take this guy down.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
We need to talk also. So that happened yesterday afternoon,
shortly after we went off the air. So the South
Florida classified documents case is not going to go to trial,
I don't think ever, but certainly not until after the
twenty twenty four election. Okay, also we come back, we'll
start to break this down. Fanny Willis is done for.
(11:05):
I think she's gonna get removed from the duck. She's
gonna be Fanny because she keeps showing her ass. This
is one that I'm intentionally mispronouncing, and she is done for.
The Georgia Court of Appeals has decided that they are
going to examine the ruling from the I know this
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is all very complicated. It's like you're going to law
school because there's also many different moving parts here. We'll
talk about it. But what you need to know is
Trump is winning in a big way in all of
these cases except New York. Even in New York. I
think New York is going well for him. Oh no,
it's going well that too. But it's not It's a
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long way, you know, it's a long way. The only
case that's going to happen, and it's the most sham
ridiculous kangaroo court absurdity.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I'm not convinced they're not going to start the Jay
sixth case. And if they started in September the DC case,
not convinced they play. Why wouldn't they If they can
what's going to stop them. I don't think they're going
to be allowed to do it. We'll talk about that.
I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
If they can't, they stop them well, because I think
what the Supreme Court is going to say is you
have to have a factual hearing to determine which of
these actions that you have alleged are specifically related to
the presidency and outside the scope of the presidency. And
then we have to determine that before we could even
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have a case. And I don't think they're going to
give it back to them until after July fourth. They're
going to give it back to them. They're going to
give it back to them in June and the courts below.
The only way it doesn't happen is if there's some
if the Supreme Court intervenes again in some way. Otherwise
they will fast track the whole thing. They will fast
(12:57):
track the Jason I don't think that. I don't think
the timing on it's going to work. Who decides that
it doesn't work because the judgment. We'll come back after this, Okay,
we'll come back.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Alena Haba, one of the Trump attorneys who has
been battling so much of this crazy, ridiculous law fair. Alena,
I've been trying to put my lawyer hat on here.
I don't practice, thankfully anymore, and they're trying to make
(15:00):
my law license away for saying that I hope somebody's
focus has been jury selection for a while now. I
don't know if you saw that, but they're trying to
take my law license away for saying that I hope
somebody's a patriot on the jury and will vote not guilty.
In the current case with Stormy Daniels. But I want
to start here with you. I went and read the
transcript of the Stormy Daniels testimony and the cross x
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that has happened so far. I don't see how in
the world this is not grounds for a mistrial. Whatever
you think about Trump, there's no reason that there should
have been any testimony at all about the alleged sexual act.
It doesn't involve in any way the accusations that have
been made against Trump in the affidavits or the crimes.
Looking at this purely, I know you're a Trump attorney,
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but you've been in a lot of courtrooms. Can you
believe that the judge allowed the testimony that he did yesterday.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
No, I don't want to speak about her in particular. Obviously,
she's a witness, and she's under oath currently, and we
haven't done our cross examination completely yet. So let me
speak generally. When you have a case like this that's
about books and records, there is only one reason to distract.
There is only one reason to have any kind of
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testimony that wouldn't have to do directly with the facts
and the law on point, And I think that the
reason is very simple. The whole purpose of this case,
and I've said this a million times, and I think
it became very clear frankly this week, was that this
is solely to number one, key President Trump off the
campaign trail, because I don't think Biden can beat him
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if he was fully campaigning. I think he can't beat
him even with the minimal campaigning that he's able to
do with all of these Biden administration trials. Right, So
that's first. Second, it's very clear that there just isn't
a case. It was clear when the case was brought
with the indictment, when va Brad couldn't say what the
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basis was. That was the first indication in his press conference.
And now it's even more clear because there's distraction after distraction.
There were guardrails put in place. There was extensive motion
practice by the attorneys, and I think that you know,
when it's disregarded, I think that's grounds for a mistrial.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Alena, it's buck. Thanks for being with us. Just I
want to make sure that I have this right because
the way, for example, I've been saying that when they
refer to this as a hush money trial, that's not
really accurate because it's a business records trial, and I
feel like they like to call it a hush money
trial because it sounds maybe a little more salacious or whatever.
But the paying of the hush money, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, no, I agree, salicious exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The paying of the hush money clearly not illegal. The
illegal acts here that they're alleging.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Just really, can you just take us through.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So the claim is that they said it was a
legal expense in Trump's own records. It's not even like
this was you know, provided to the public in some
big way or you know, under oath or anything else.
The legal records internally for Trump of saying that this
was a legal expense to pay off this woman who
was extorting Donald Trump. By the way, that then, because
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that could have had some ancillary effect on public perception
about Donald Trump had it gone out because they had
to record it, that could have affected the election, and
therefore it's election interference.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Is that basically right?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Yes. So basically, let's say you settle a case in
your Let's say President Trump right now settles a case
and he books settlement at a legal expense, and he
didn't even book it. Let's remind you everybody that he
was in the White House, and this was booked by
the Trump organization by an accountant who didn't speak directly
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to President Trump, and you know we.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Have those Wait wait, Alien, I'm sorry, this is really
important though.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
If that's the case, how could it affect the election,
if you'd already won the election.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Well, that's the whole point. It doesn't. It's a far
reaching witch hunt. And it's a hope that he says that,
and I love those adjectives. But you know, the amount
of Americans that can actually explain what this trial is
about is very small because no one knows because there's
just so much noise. But you explained it really well. Look,
a lawyer was paid a lawyer invoice the Trump organization.
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They book that payment as a legal expense period the end.
Now you bring in all the other noise, and I'll
just speak generally, all that noise that's for political reasons.
That's not laws and facts, and that's not what's supposed
to happen in courtrooms. But I've seen it. You guys
have seen it. Now for many many months, these corproceeedings
are now no longer about court about justice, about law
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and order, about the Constitution. They're about number one getting
President Trump off the campaign trail, number two trying to
embarrass him, and number three made up stories that are
all being done in coordination. And if there's any question
about that, just look at the White House logs. Why
are all these people visiting the Biden administration right before
they bring claims against President Trump? Why are some of
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these cases like this one eight years later two DA's
said they weren't going to bring charges. I mean, the
only time they decided that to change their mind and
bring it was after he said he was running. I mean,
it's a story that I wish I wasn't seeing in
American history, but it's real and it's happening, and we're
in the fight of our lives at this moment.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Elena, I'm sure you saw New York City Mayor Eric
Adams say that there had been preparations in the event
that Trump were put in jail at Rikers Island and
how they would handle it. I'm assuming on the defense team,
you guys have to sit around and talk about how
you would respond in the event that Judge Merchand, who
has threatened this, did decide for a contempt of court
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citation to put Trump in jail, what would the defense
do and what is the appellate process, Like I frankly
don't know to keep Trump from being put in a
jail cell over these contempt allegations, which to me are
a clear restriction of his ability to campaign and aren't,
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on their face, again, this is my legal opinion, aren't
on their face permissible given what's going on right now.
But how much preparation do you guys have in the
event that merchand decides to escalate this and puts Trump
in a jail cell over what he has been saying?
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, I really can't speak to that. Anything like that
would be privileged. I can tell you that obviously that
would be completely ridiculous and unconstitutional. His First Amendment rights
are being violated. He can't speak. But if you have
any question about it, look at how the other side
can speak. There's no gag order for them. That the
defendant who's supposed to have a trial and be innocent
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till proven guilty, he's the one with a gag order.
Usually it's the other way around. And by the way,
they're doing the same acts. They're out there spreading words.
People involved in the case are talking about it. It's
crazy as far as the whole jail thing. You know,
there's so many levels. The fact that we're even talking
about it makes me sick. But there are so many
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levels of people. There's obviously, you know, secret service detail
that covers him then and when I say cover, I
mean they're his details. So I'm sure that he would
be involved. But now that's not something we sit around
and talk about right now. What we do is try
and cite this ridiculous case against da Bragg.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I just you know, we have so many questions want
to ask you about about all these other trials as well.
How is Trump abel? You know, how is President Trump
abel to just keep showing up and keep doing this
On a just a personal level, I'm curious. I know
people that have been broken by you know, like a
like a tax investigation or something in the past, face
four peneral indictments of a farcical nature, and yet he
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still seems to have pretty good cheer, pretty good energy.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah. I think he said it best. He said, life
is life. If he if he, if he were to
allow this to break him, then what hope do we have?
And I think he sees the big picture that he
really is in the way between them and us, and
he needs to get to November. He needs to win
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this election so that we can save our country. So
I honestly think it all turns on that. You know,
he's not just a regular guy. He's a former president,
he's likely the future president. And if he doesn't fight,
like hell, we're in trouble. So I think that motivates
a certain person. And you know, not everybody can put
up with what he's put up with. He's resilient and strong, so,
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you know, and I don't just say that he truly
is Alena.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
We appreciate the battles that you're fighting on behalf of Trump.
I know a lot of our listeners do too. Last
question for you, because I know you have to get out.
Georgia Court of Appeals is going to consider Fanny Willis
whether she should stay on the case. Also down in
South Florida, Judge Eileen Cannon has ended the May twentieth
trial date. Both of those big wins for the Trump team.
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What can you say about those decisions that have come
down in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, I think they're great decisions. I think they're a
step in the right direction. Obviously, we still have a
lot of work to do. But you know, we saw
with the jack Smith cases and all these cases they're
falling apart. We've seen miss Willis. You know, she's obviously
dealt with financials in the way that she should not.
She's hired people she should not.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
She's had.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Alleged relationships so that she should not, et cetera, et cetera.
And again political law fair jack Smith, we saw that
they mishandled the evidence, they were sloppy, and then they
decided to just put that in the footnote and maybe
thought nobody would notice. I'm not really sure what their
idea was there, but it's this constant rush of trials
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to try and get him in front of a court
before the twenty twenty four election, to try and hope
that they get a judge that is left wing, get
a left wing jury maybe and see him get taken
again off the campaign trail, possibly in jail. This is
what they want. It's by design. But with time we're seeing,
as in the past couple of days, that these do
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get crumbled. We thought with the ag case, you know,
four to seventy five million. It took us some time
in the appel division, but then they brought it down. There
is a due process, there is some remnants of law
and order in our country, and slowly and surely it
will reveal what their true intentions were, and these cases
will and should all be dismissed.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Elena hob everybody Trump Attorney Alena, we would really like
it if you'd come back as more developments happen here
and just tell us what's really going on, because this
audience is very attuned to this and we can all
see the injustices being perpetrated against President Trump. Thank you
so much for being with us, and thank you for
staying in the fight.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Of course, thank you for having me.
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latest law fair against Trump. She obviously is one of
the Trump attorneys on television regularly. And then top of
the next hour we're going to be joined by Dave McCormick,
who's officially unveiling his ad campaign in the big Pennsylvania
Senate race. We'll talk about Saul Fetterman on Fox News
sitting down with Brett Bayer will probably ask him about
(28:55):
Fetterman and Moore. But this just happened. Credit to Greg
on our staff who grabbed it. The View, which is
the dumbest show on television on a daily basis, had
Bacari Sellers, who I would probably say is around the
nine hundred and forty second smartest contributor on CNN. Just
not a very smart dude, and he's been coming after
(29:18):
me on social media. Some of you may have seen it,
but he decided to go on the View and say
that people like Tucker Carlson and then Ben Shapiro and
me were not smart enough to be able to have
an intelligent debate, and so we made millions of dollars
by talking to I guess, dumb people and not actually
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advocating our beliefs. So I want to play you that cut.
This just happened on the View.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Enjoy Tucker has he's in this silo, and I knew
there was a problem when he was able to go
on primetime TV and talk about the great replacement theory,
which is rooted in white supremacy, and it's fear, it's grievance,
it's all of these things, and it just permeates itself
and it manifests itself and hate. And the problem is
that they had ads that play before and ads to
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play after. And you have these individuals, the Clay Travises
of the world, the Ben Shapiro's of the world, these
people who don't necessarily have the intellect to have honest discussions.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
But.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Yet they're able to become millionaires because they're actually just
just circulizing and promulgating this fear.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, I mean, first of all, you don't feel badly
because because you guys don't know about the honey badger, right,
you know about the meme of the honey badger.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Clay when it comes to these things.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Is the honey badger. He will fight endlessly. He will
fight anything, it doesn't matter, he will fight. So there
you go.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So you heard Woopy Goldberg say, yeah, when he said
that I was dumb and not able to intellectually defend myself.
I don't see any other response from the view that
is possible. Other than having me on as a guest,
and I will go on Buck one v.
Speaker 6 (31:06):
Four.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I think they're a four host.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I'll take on Joy Behar, I'll take on Whoopy Goldberg,
Sonny Houston, and Alissa Fara I think is the other Griffin.
She may have gotten married. I think that's the quod.
I will go on one v four and I will
allow them to question me on anything under the sun.
I think I will intellectually eviscerate them. Maybe I'm wrong,
(31:31):
maybe they'll dunk on me, maybe I'll get embarrassed. But
don't you think their audience, given that I've been attacked
at Woopy Goldberg, has endorsed the fact that I'm not
intelligent enough to defend my beliefs, don't you think they're
actually obligated to have me on as a guest? Now,
I mean, wouldn't that be fair. We'll have any of
the view people on. We've never run from anybody being
a guest on this show. But if you're gonna go
(31:51):
on and say somebody's not smart and they only get
rich because they get to talk to dumb people basically,
which is what they're saying, shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
They have me on? Improve it? I mean also not
that I'm a big credentials guy, but you know, to
go after the Harvard law guy and the Vanderbilt law
guy as the dumbest people and conservative. Look, mister Seller's
Bacari Sellers, right, that's his name. Thing. Yeah, he's not
very smart based on what he says on television.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Maybe in person he's quite sharp and brilliant, but his
commentary on TV is of a very low level. And
you know, I think the view should have you on.
I think that you having been on the Bill Marshaw,
I will tell you, no matter how forceful and eloquent
and versatile and debate you may be, when you have
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four on one because you have limited talking time or else,
you start to look like a crazy person. No matter what.
If it's four people at a table and you're there
and you're talking, you know more than thirty forty percent
of the time, it's gonna and also they're gonna shout
over you. But I still think they should have you on.
I think that would be incredible.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
They had Ted Cruz on if I remember correctly, and
that was pretty good television because he had a book out.
But again, of all the people that you could attack
in media leave me aside. You could agree or disagree
with Ben Shapiro. Pretty smart dude. I mean, like, if
if you want to disagree with his opinions, I think
(33:20):
that's fair. He's a Harvard lawger ad. I mean, you
don't get to graduate from Harvard law school. Generally speaking,
there's probably some exceptions with I think Sonny Houstin's a
Notre Dame law gerrad, so I think there are some exceptions.
You know, sometimes you can kind of fight your way through.
Ben's got a pretty decent You should.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Go on only if Sonny Houston promises to have an
official print out of her l SAT score and bring
it on air and prove that she got into Notre
Dame with anywhere near anywhere near the median l SAT
score for Notre Dame. I mean I would even throw
a large wager behind it if I were you.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
What, I could also require masking just to make sure
that we're taking the virus seriously, which would I think
you should definitely go on set and be like, have
you guys gotten your seventh boosters?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Why don't you take the virus seriously? What about mutations?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know what's interesting when you look at this.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is why I always thought COVID is so important
for a whole bunch of reasons, and I'm still a
little bit fixated on the importance of it over the
long term to humanity and certainly in this country. The
people who are wrong about all that are wrong about
all this too, you know what I mean. They just
keep They just go from one issue to another of
being deeply emotionally invested and certain of their position, and
(34:36):
then reality eventually overtakes it. They are wrong, and they
never stop and think, maybe the other side that was right,
Maybe I should at least take them more seriously or
give them a fair hearing. It's always a total dismissal.
I know what the left believes, you know what the
left leaves. They don't even know what we think. They
just have phrases, epithets, things like calling you and Ben
(34:59):
Shapiro's do But I'll say, I mean people, yeah, some
leftists have said before.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I don't know if they've never ever called me stupid,
but I will say, if they call me dumb, it
doesn't offend me, you know what I mean, It's like
calling me bald, doesn't offend me.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, First of all, I have a high level of
what it would take to offend me, which is probably healthy.
But given what is said out there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
You can say that Clay is insufficiently insufficiently devoted to
the Tennessee Valls.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
That would be that would be an insult. I would
be I would be offended by that. But it's it's
all to your point. They keep getting hit by reality,
and the reality doesn't penetrate the force field of ignorance
that they have built around them. And the nine oh
(35:48):
Supreme Court case is a perfect example of this, because
they spent all this time telling their audience, Hey, this
is this is a real thing, like this, this the
way that this.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
They had all these.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Great lawyers writing editorial pieces saying, this is a really
tough call. This may Trump's not eligible for the ballot.
They basically goaded the Colorado Supreme Court into the ruling
that they put out there, and then nine oh the
Supreme Court says, yeah, and this is not really a
tough call.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Well, I would also just I would point out that
never in my in my immediate career, I would assume
same same for you have I said that a Supreme Court,
a major Supreme Court case was going to go one
way and it went nine to oh the other way.
You know, I'll be off five, four, six, three. Fine, Right,
that's a coin flip that could happen. I've never said, oh,
(36:39):
the Supreme Court is going to strike this down and
nine oh they uphold something like That's never happened to
me one time.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And I think it's worthy.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's a worthy point of reflection, Like, if you can
be that bad at legal analysis, why should anyone, you know,
why should anyone listen to you. It'd be like if
if you're listening to somebody who says, you know, invest
in this real estate market, housing prices are only going
to go up and housing prices go down ninety percent,
You're probably not gonna listen to that person. Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
And I guess what I'm surprised by is if you
were told things that clearly were wrong over and over again.
Trump is the perfect example. They have said. I mean,
it's Lucy with the football, and every time they're Charlie
Brown running up and every single time Lucy pulls the football.
And I really think we've talked about this off air
(37:27):
and a little bit on air. What is going to
happen if Trump wins in twenty twenty four. They got
their salvation. Really, I mean they got lucky on COVID
because COVID happened in an election year and that made
Trump vulnerable. And I don't think Trump handled the COVID response. Well,
we've talked about this before, and that made him vulnerable.
(37:50):
And then they got their salvation, which was jan six.
Their idea of Trump is a unique threat to democracy
and he's evil. They got January sixth, which was the
deepest fruition of their dreams that Jan six could have
ever happened. And yet if Trump comes back and wins,
(38:13):
these people's brains already broken, are gonna split into a
billion pieces.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I don't even know they remember when the Raiders of
the Lost Dark, when the Ark of the Covenant opens
up and all the Nazis' faces melt off. Yes, I'm
not saying that it happen, but it might kind of
feel like that's happening. I love saying spoiler alert on
the old movies.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, And if somebody's out there, I've never seen Raiders
of the Lost Dark, you just spoiled it for me. Yes,
I mean, that's that's a perfect analogy for what may
well happen.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And what is likely to occur.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
And I think right now, are they slowly, in your
mind starting to recognize that Trump is favored to win
or do you think they still find it to be
impossible that he could win. I don't know what their
mindset truly is. They are anxious, they are not confident.
I still think they believe they can pull it out, though,
but they there is Democrat anxiety around where they.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Of course, how could there not be. This should if
if what is if what they say about Trump is true,
Trump should be down twenty points. You're right, if what
they believe about Donald Trump as a threat to democracy
and all this other stuff. The fundamental flaw in their
argument is what I mentioned today. And it was even
some Democrat who said, like, I hate Trump. But I
(39:34):
remember I sent this to you a camera. It was
not some famous person, but it was just some tweet
that I sent or an ex post whatever. And the
guy says, look, the problem with the argument that Democrats have.
The central problem is that Trump was president for four
years and you had peace in a booming economy, and
everything was better than it is now pretty much crossed
the board. The people saying, oh, what about COVID. Biden's
first year sucked. We were all, you know, we were
(39:56):
getting shots we didn't need, and we still had lockdowns.
You know, It's like, so, if you're going to compare
COVID to COVID, it's a lot harder to be president
the first year of COVID in the second year, and
Biden was an absolute disaster in COVID, wrong on everything, divisive, spiteful.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
And Trump didn't handle COVID well. But how many people
do you think would have handled COVID well in twenty
twenty DeSantis did in Florida, Brian Kemp did in Georgia.
I think, honestly, Rand Paul would have been probably the
greatest president we could have had for COVID to have.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Heard, well, you've heard this right.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
If I could just like make someone president, you know,
if Trump got four more years, is said, who could
you just like parachute in and their president. They don't
have to go through an election because I don't think
he can win a national election. But I have so
much respect for Rand Paul. I think he would be
in the role phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think Rand Paul, probably because he's also a doctor,
would have had the ability to kind of keep things
somewhat sane on COVID. But I think the number of
politicians that would have been in office for the final
year of the president like, things would have been worse
With Hillary. I don't think there's any doubt. Whoever you
want to plug in there, things would have been worse.
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Speaker 1 (42:52):
We've got Dave McCormick with us.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
He is a US Army veteran former CEO of Bridgewater
Massive Hedge Fund, and he is running for Senate and
we need him. No pressure, Dave, But I mean the
future of the election and maybe the future of the
Republic rests on your ability to win and help deliver Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
So you know, we know.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
You're used to.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
I'm ready. How are you?
Speaker 1 (43:19):
So we're good? You know, we're really trying to every day.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Now we're in an election cycle now, right, I mean, we're
really feeling it's it's the election day. Feels like it's
barreling towards us, or we're barreling toward it, and we're
trying to make sure that we bring as much awareness
of the particular battlegrounds that matter as possible. We've talked
to you before about the situation Pennsylvania. First off, I
wanted to ask to get into the current news cycle
(43:44):
and what's going on. There are some encampments on schools
in Pennsylvania, right, some of these sort of pro hamas encampments.
How have they been handled and what can you tell
us about how that's going in your state?
Speaker 6 (43:58):
Well, I think in general, it's a real disgrace that
these encampments persist, and it's most prominently in Pennsylvania's at
the University of Pennsylvania, and I visited there last week
last Wednesday, and you have one of these situations where
the administration has said very clearly what's happening is an
absolute violation of campus policy. We walked past these encampments.
(44:22):
We had some kids take us around. There's probably five
hundred kids in that encampment. They speculate only about a
third of them or actually Penn students. The most vile
things Zionism is racism. Go back to Poland from the
river to the sea. You know, it is vicious and
it's really it's really intimidating to the Jewish kids and
(44:43):
other kids to walk through there. They've shut down classes.
It is a travesty and there's not enough moral leadership
and leadership in general to get control of these things.
And you know what I've said publicly is, you know,
if you're the president of Penn, you should since the
shut down that encampment. If it's students of Pen, they
(45:04):
should be expelled or have a disciplinary action. If it's
outside agitators, they should be arrested by the police of
the City of Philadelphia and get control of this thing.
Because it's just and this is not about First Amendment.
What they're doing is completely violation of the policy and
goes well beyond the protections the First Amendment by inciting
(45:26):
violence and bigoted hatred and behavior.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Dave, we appreciate you coming on with us. We know
you're all over the state of Pennsylvania campaigning. I'm assuming
inflation cost of goods is still overwhelmingly what you hear
about the most in your experience. What are Pennsylvanians the
most focused on and how do you think that plays
into not only your Senate race, but also obviously the
(45:51):
presidential race as Pennsylvania, along with Michigan and Wisconsin big
ten states, probably going to decide this election.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
Yeah, I think the two issues of inflation and abortion.
I'm sorry, inflation and border are the two big issues.
Inflation sixty percent of Pennsylvanians with paycheck to paycheck, and
prices for them are up twenty percent twenty one percent.
Real wages are only up fourteen percent, So most Pennsylvanians
are getting squeezed on food, fuel, rent, and it's making
(46:22):
it harder and harder. And then interest payments on a
pickup trunk or interest payments on new house make them
almost twice as expensive as they were before Biden came
into office. And this is the direct result of President Biden,
and Bob Casey supported him every step of the way,
about ninety eight percent of time with him. The direct
result of this excessive spending. We've had too much spending
(46:43):
from Republicans and Democrats alike, but it has gone through
the roof under Biden. Six trillion dollars of incremental spending
and the war on oil and gas, and those are
the drivers of inflation. And the voters absolutely don't believe
this nonsense that Bidenomics is making our lives better. They
see what it's doing. So that's issue number one. A
(47:05):
close second is the border. Ten million illegal migrants, I mean,
are you kidding me? The national security implications of you know,
one hundred and sixty people apprehended on the terrorist watch list.
You guys know these statistics. Those are just the ones
that are apprehended. And then the fentanyl crisis. It's a
huge deal for Pennsylvania. We lost four thousand Pennsylvanians last year.
(47:28):
These cartels pushed the fentanyl and that's just in Pennsylvania.
Least cartels pushed the fentanyl across the border, and it's
in Pennsylvania. Within a couple of days, and it's killing
people almost one hundred thousand nationally. So that issue, the border,
the economic burden, the crime, the national securities, and then
the fentanyl. I mean, if you and if the three
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of us were sitting in a room together the Dave
Biden took office, we could have never imagined the border
would get this out of control. And it's I think
people look at it and see a lack of leadership
in chaos. And again, Bob Casey voted for sanctuary cities,
voted against the wall, voted against funding for border patrol,
voted against the fentanyl initiative. Bob Casey and Joe Biden
(48:12):
own this border, and I think it's the second defining
issue for Pennsylvanians. And I think for those reasons. You know,
President Trump's ahead in the polls and I'm closing fast
in the polls, and I think people just want new
leadership that can undo this chaos.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
We're speaking of David Cormick running for Senate in Pennsylvania
against Casey and Dave. I want to bring something to
you because we talked a little bit about the campus
situation and looking at the Pennsylvania state of play going
into the election. John Fetterman, I don't know what else
to say. We've been saying on the show, so we
have to stand behind it. He's been solid on the
(48:49):
Israel Gaza issue. Based on everything that I've seen so far,
I know he's almost a Bernie Sanders disciple on a
bunch of other stuff. But here's what I'm getting at.
Are they going to play a game here with the
various you know, high level democrats in your state. You've
got the governor is what's his name? Shapiro, You've got Shapiro,
(49:14):
You've got Fetterman. Are they going to do the whole Oh,
we go our own way. We're not these crazy leftist
democrats that have been running the country the last four years. Like,
I just want to know if we're if you're seeing that,
and if that's something you're trying to get ahead of
right where they do the head fake of well, we're
not crazy like the rest of the Democrats in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Yeah, I actually think you know, Fedaman's a mystery to
me too, But I think we're in such a crisis.
I think you have to just call balls and strikes.
And I'm sure Fetterman and I disagree on ninety percent
of his views, but on this crisis with Israel, what's
happening in the campuses, he's been a voice of clarity
(49:56):
and moral courage, and I appreciate it. So I've said,
I've said, you know, on this John Feederm and I agree,
and uh, I think it actually makes Casey look that
much weaker because here, you here, you have an example
of someone who is from the Democratic Party, very progressive,
who sees the right and wrong of this. I give him,
I give him all the benefit of doubt. I think
(50:18):
he really believes everything he's saying, and I think he's uh,
he's stepping up and saying it. Where Casey tries to
have it both ways. Let me give you an example.
He says he's against anti Semitism, and then he endorses
Summer Lead, who is a member of the Squad and
in explicitly anti Semitic and has been associated with all
(50:38):
these radical groups, has refused to call uh October seventh
genocide and a and a and a you know, a
barbaric act that it was. So you can't have it
both ways. This is a test. This is a test
for these college presidents, it's a test for our public. Officials.
Are you going to call call balls and strikes right
and wrong, good and evil? His credit has been good
(51:01):
on this, Bob Ksey, not so much.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
We hear a lot about the get out the vote
campaign that Pennsylvania has, and one of the stats that
I saw and that I hammer home, half the vote
was in for Federman before they even got to the
debate on the ground. Are Republicans not only for your
campaign but also for Donald Trump's going to have a
ground game so far as you can tell, that is
(51:26):
competitive with what Democrats have been able to do the
last couple of cycles in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (51:32):
Yeah, I think so. I'd say two things. One, Pennsylvania's
becoming redder and redder. Pennsylvania will be a red state
by twenty twenty six that's the big news. In twenty sixteen,
there were a million more registered Democrats and Republicans. Right
now there's three hundred and ninety thousand registered Democrats more
than Republicans, and by election day I think it'll be
(51:54):
three hundred. So we are becoming redder because of some
of the demographic shifts, because a lot of Democrats are
leaving the party and becoming Republicans. Working families and so
we get the win that are back that way. And
the key is to get these voters registered and get
them out to vote. And there's a lot of effort
being put into a ground game to do that. And
then the second thing is mail in ballots. And listen,
(52:16):
this is an area where I think we have alignment.
There's an outside group and a lot of efforts to
bring resources and focus on this. And President Trump, who
has been skeptical of mail in ballots and I think,
has essentially laid out his position which he's encouraged all
forms of voting, including mail in ballots in Pennsylvania. He
(52:36):
recognizes that we need that to win Pennsylvania. We need
to close that gap. We're not going to exceed the Democrats,
but we need to close that gap. His campaign and
my campaign and the RNC and all the various groups
are very aligned and working together on this. So it's
a big advantage the Democrats have. We're not going to
fix that advantage overnight, but I think we were going
(52:57):
to have an opportunity to really chip away at it.
Pennsylvan is going to be you know, when President Trump
wins and I win, we're gonna win by a few points.
So this really matters and it's part of the battle
plan to change leadership for our commonwealth, in our country.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Dave McCormick, everybody, Dave really appreciate you being with us.
Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (53:18):
Oh, you guys are great. Dave MCCORMICKPA dot com. Thanks
for having me and hope to see you soon.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Thanks someone, We will see you soon, for sure. I'm
gonna come up there. I'm gonna find a game. I'm
going to campaign with you. Can't wait to get up
to this, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (53:30):
Was gonna say it. I'm ready, man, we can we
can find a big pen steak game. It'll be fun.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yes, we're gonna do it. I promise we'll get it
on the schedule here coming up soon. I got to
figure out exactly what my responsibilities are for Big Noon
for the Fox pregame show. But I will know that
sooner rather than later. We'll figure out a game that is.
Dave McCormick. Encourage you to go check out the website,
get registered if you're not registered in Pennsylvania, because you've
got a big Senate race and the presidential race both
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Are You A Charlotte?
In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
Dateline NBC
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.