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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Buck, We'll be
back with me on Tuesday. I am back from what
might be described as a disastrous golf performance at the
Live Nashville Golf event. Hank Haney says he can fix
my swing as he once fixed Rush swing, So we'll
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see whether or not that can become a reality. We
have got a lot to discuss with all of you
as we roll into the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Right off the.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Top, still no verdict, no ruling, no decision on what
exactly is going to happen when it comes to presidential
immunity for Donald Trump as it pertains to the January
sixth cases brought by Jack Smith. As we've told you
for some time on this program, it feels like these
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are going to be released at the absolute latest time imaginable.
Next week is scheduled to be the last day, last
couple of days of release from the opinions I believe.
I was texting with Shannon Breem earlier. She covers the
Supreme Court for Fox News. She said there are still
sixteen cases that are outstanding, including the Trump immunity case,
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and what's going to end up happening with the jan
sixth cases, the Fisher case that you've heard us talk
about a lot with Julie Kelly in terms of whether
or not that those charges under Sarvaine's Oxley of basically
messing up a proceeding are going to be allowed to proceed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So all of that still to come.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And we're sitting six days away from the big debate
on June twenty seventh in Atlanta on CNN, no crowds, President,
but Joe Biden has to stand for ninety minutes, and
Joe Biden has now gone to camp. David basically ended
everything on his schedule to prepare for a ninety minute
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debate that is already being called essentially his campaign in
that if he does poorly in this, the race is
effectively over. I've got a lot of thoughts on that,
as you can well imagine. We'll talk about that a
little bit maybe in the second hour. Of course, we
will take your calls on a Friday as we often
do eight hundred and two two eight A two, and
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Kelly Leffler, former Senator from Georgia, is going to be
with us in the final hour of the program. She's
doing great work to help make sure that Georgia turns
back read with her advocacy group down there. We will
discuss many different issues with her in the third hour
of the program.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But she's the only guest right now scheduled to be
with us.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So let's dive in because I think there are a
couple of stories that are not getting the amount of
attention that they should have that I want to discuss
with all of you. First, you probably have heard that
Alvin Bragg, who charged Donald Trump with thirty four felonies,
who elevated misdemeanors too felonies at a time when he
almost always is lowering felonies to misdemeanors, has dropped all
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of the charges against the Columbia University protesters who took
over campus buildings. Clearly violated laws on trespassing. There are
arguable assaults that were created and involved in the takeover
of those buildings.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But let's listen.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I believe it has cut for to a discussion about
the charges all being dropped there here it is nowadays the.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Manhattan District Attorney's office has dropped criminal charges against dozens
of anti Israel protesters who barricaded themselves in buildings at
Columbia University back in April without even.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
A slap on the wrist.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And now there's outrage over this move and it is
growing fast. Nate Floy is live with the latest on
this story for US Nate.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So, the cases of thirty one Columbia Universities students and
staff members arrested at Hamilton Hall are now dismissed. Prosecutors
say there is insufficient evidence to prove the defendants cause
damage or injured anybody because of a lack of security
camera footage and the fact that protesters wore face masks.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is bonkers.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I would imagine New York City Mayor Eric Adams is
furious about this. This is not a difficult case to
actually prosecute. They arrested the protesters illegally trespassing in the
building after they had taken control of the building, after
they had chained the doors, and refuse to leave. This
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is one of the easiest cases imaginable. But the charges
are being dropped and at the same time they have
done everything they can. I believe they're going to try
to put Trump in prison. On July eighth when he
shows up for sentencing. I expect that Alvin Bragg will
request prison time for Trump. That remains to be seen.
The reports have been that the district attorney, Alvin Bragg
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will actually share his impressions of what the punishment should
be in court filings, although I would suspect those will
leak immediately in the New York Times, the Washington Post,
probably the New York Times will break that story before
the court filings have hardly even hit the docket. So
I want to bring this up because there are two
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instances of late that have not received substantial amounts of
attention that I believe should have, of clear crimes being
committed by Democrats where absolutely nothing has happened to them.
Now there are lots of examples of this. Certainly we
could go in and talk about doctor Fauci and all
the lies that he's told. Hunter Biden finally getting prosecuted,
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convicted in Delaware soon to be convicted, I believe, based
on the fact that he clearly didn't pay millions of
dollars in taxes in California when that case is scheduled
to go to trial in September. But two cases that
I haven't heard very many people talk about and I
want to hit you with the details on them here.
Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, is
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refusing to turn over audio recordings of President Biden being
questioned by Robert Herr, the special counsel.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You'll recall that Joe.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Biden came out and claimed that he was misquoted, that
he was asked all sorts of questions that he believed
were outside the pale of the investigation, claiming you remember
in a fiery press conference back in I believe February
that his own son's death bow had been brought up,
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and the fact that he couldn't remember when that happened,
or that he got dates confused, was a sign of
somehow this being an unfair investigation. And remember the ultimate
decision of Robert Herr was that Joe Biden was a
well meaning elderly man who didn't have the mental faculties
to be charged with crimes that he actually committed. Well,
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I believe it's incredibly important, particularly because the Biden White
House is now claiming that videos showing clear cognitive and
physical decline of Joe Biden are cheap fakes. I believe
that all of us should be able to hear Joe
Biden answer the questions of Robert Her. There are audio
files as we are soon to enter presidential voting time.
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Don't you believe that, given the fact that Joe Biden
doesn't have very many interviews that he gives period, we
should be able to hear Biden answering questions of Robert
Her and make our own determination about how he sounds,
either positive or negative. Is this a man that we
believe can get on the phone with Ukraine, with Russia,
with China and try to deal with major geopolitical issues
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that are unspooling on a day to day basis. Or
is his mental and physical cognition a severe issue?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
To me?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
This is not a remotely difficult question. And the Republicans
in Congress voted and said, we believe that this tape
should be released. Merrick Garland said no. They held him
in contempt because he's refusing to comply with a request
from Congress. And Merrick Garland's own Department of Justice said, hey,
guess what, this is not a violation of the law.
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We can do whatever we want here. So Merrick Garland
clear contempt of Congress, no prosecution at all. He's above
the law, which Joe Biden, of course claims no one is. Meanwhile,
Steve Bannon is having to appeal to the Supreme Court
because otherwise he's going to have to begin a four
month jail sentence on July first. That's a pretty direct comparison.
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Bannon defies Congress's orders and he's put in prison for
four months. Merrick Garland defies Congressional request that he merely
released the actual audio files of Joe Biden's investigation. That
hearing that questioning of Robert Hrr and the Department of
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Justice says, hey, Merrick Garland doesn't have any criminal culpability
at all. He can just thumb his nose at Congress.
That's pretty significant. Second one, and I think this is
massive and it's important to understand where we are when it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Comes to the justice system.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No charges at all are being brought in this classified
document case which Robert Hurr was investigating against Joe Biden,
even though they found that he willfully retained classified documents.
Remember classified documents that likely originated from his days in
the Senate or potentially when he was Vice president, that
he kept in files beside his corvette, and that he
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bragged about finding on audio to his ghostwriter of his book.
The ghostwriter, as soon as this classified document investigation began,
tried to delete all of the audio files of his
interviews with Joe Biden. They know this, They uncovered that
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he had done it. Nothing has happened to him at all.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Repeat this because I think this is actually a situation
where Republicans are dropping the ball in Congress. This is
not a very complicated case. The ghostwriter of Joe Biden's autobiography,
Remember these guys don't actually write their own autobiographies. The
ghostwriter had on tape Joe Biden bragging about retrieving classified
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documents that he shared with his ghostwriter. Who knows what
else Joe Biden was saying on those audio tapes. As
soon as the Robert Hurr investigation began, the ghostwriter of
this book tried to delete all of the audio files
that he had of Joe Biden. That's clear destruction of evidence.
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Why has he not been this ghostwriter hauled directly in
front of Congress and made to answer questions under oath.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But on a larger scale, how.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In the world have no charges been brought against him,
to say nothing of Joe Biden, but at least he
has presidential immunity because he's currently in office, and there's
a Department of Justice idea that you can't be prosecuted.
But we know that Joe Biden willfully retained classified documents,
bragged about having them on audio, and that his ghostwriter
then tried to delete all of the files as soon
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as he knew this investigation began. How many of you
even know that. One of the big challenges that frustrates
me in general is every day there is a fire
hose worth of stories that are spraying out in every direction.
And one of the big problems that we have is
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the Republican Party doesn't do a good job figuring out
what matters and what needs to be focused on. I mean, honestly,
how many of you even knew that ghostwriter story? How
many of you knew that Joe Biden is on tape
bragging about having classified documents to his ghostwriter, and that
the ghost tried to destroy all.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Of these files.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That is very clear evidence destruction of evidence. It's an
easy case to bring in a federal investigation. Yet nothing
has happened to this ghostwriter, and for the most part,
nobody has talked about it at all. Why is this
not a major point of discussion. Why is this guy,
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this ghostwriter not hauled immediately before Congress and made to
answer questions? And how in the world can you justify
him not being charged with crimes. He's not president, he
doesn't have presidential immunity. These conversations that he tried to
destroy happened back when Biden was vice after Biden was
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vice president, not when he was president. There's no claim
that these are somehow protected conversations. However, Republicans dropped the
ball on this. And what might that ghostwriter say if
he was actually facing criminal charges, and as should be
the case, people were trying to put him in prison,
might he turn on Joe Biden and actually share a
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lot more incriminating evidence. This is just no brainer, basic
blocking and tackling not being executed. It's an easy story
for everyone out there to understand. Why is the Republican
Party not focusing on this story? Biden on audio bragging
about having classified documents that he had no business being
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able to retain, and his ghostwriter who told him to
suddenly destroy all that evidence. That's a pretty big decision
for a ghostwriter to make. That he goes into a
computer and starts trying to destroy all the files of
all of his investigations. You don't think somebody told.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Him to do that?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
How do we not have this guy under oath? How
is he not being charged? I want to talk about
this more, but I think it's very instructive. As Alvin
Bragg continues to drop charges against everybody arrested in Colombia,
as Merrick Garland thumbs his nose at congressional demands that
he released the actual audio files of Biden's Robert Her investigation,
and as the ghost writer here knowingly destroying evidence to
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try to protect Joe Biden. How is this not a
bigger story? Why is he not under oath? How is
he avoided being charged? We'll talk about all that more.
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
Buck, we'll be back with me on Tuesday. Out today
and Monday, and we'll be certainly talking a lot over
the next several days about the upcoming debate and what
we should expect to see.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
From the debate.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
As Joe Biden is now at Camp David for the
next seven days, preparing for what he is going to
theoretically be able to do. Remember, debate's only ninety minutes.
There are two different commercial breaks presumably that will knock
out six or seven minutes from the overall debate.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So you're then down to what eighty three minutes ish.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Trump will talk for half of that time, We're only
talking about Joe Biden having to talk for thirty five
or forty minutes. He's preparing for one full week to
talk for the amount of time that I talk to
you every hour.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Think about how crazy that is.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The President of the United States has cleared his entire
schedule to go to Camp David and prepare to talk
to all of you for about forty five minutes at
the absolute apex, more likely thirty eight forty two minutes
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somewhere in there when you factor in the amount of
time for the commercial breaks. I mean, honestly, with the
questions being asked, he probably only has to talk for
about thirty five minutes. He's preparing for one full week
to do that. And I know that many of you
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out there agree with me that Biden is not going
to be the nominee, and I bet Buck, I bet
I bet Buck told you the last two days. Oh,
I'm sticking to it. Clay's going to be buying me
a stake. There's no way that they are going to
move on from Biden. Let me lay out for you
what I.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Think is actually going on here.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
June twenty seventh is the earliest we have ever had
a presidential debate in American political history.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Three months earlier.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
In fact, than we have ever had an American presidential debate.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why is that happening?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't think enough people are sitting back and saying,
wait a minute, what's the decision process here? Why did
the Biden team want to have a debate this early?
I don't blame Trump. He said he would debate Biden anytime,
any place, anywhere. And Biden said, Okay, we want June
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twenty seventh, and we want I believe it's September tenth.
The team can check me on that if we're wrong.
Both of those are very early. But the June twenty
seventh date, in particular, I just said, when you have
the speech writer trying to delete all the audio files
of Joe Biden, it should send the antenna up.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, you usually don't.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Catch a liar telling a grand lie. That's usually not
how lies get discovered. It's usually something small that just
doesn't add up, and you pull that thread and it
leads to a much more substantial lie. Big grand lies
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are actually sometimes easier to get away with because if
the why isn't being told, it would be a foundational why.
People always say, like, how does Bernie Madeoff happen? How
does Ron happen? Because so many people are afraid to
even consider that the very substance of the entity itself might.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Be based on a fraud. People just don't want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Make that leap because if you're wrong on that, then
you look like a crazy person. If you came out
right before Enron imploded and you said, I got this
crazy idea. I think this Houston energy company that's one
of the biggest in the world, I think it's all
a big shell game. You came out and you said
about Bernie made Off. Hey, this guy who's been raising
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money for decades has some of the richest people out
there supporting him. I think all of this is just
a pyramid scheme. The foundational why is so substant Anchel
that in order to even make the argument, you have
to be willing to look a little bit crazy. Buck
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and I, by the way, today is our three year
anniversary of this show. Starting one of the first couple
of months that we were on, we had Alex Bearnson
on in our New York City studio. I believe it
was July of twenty twenty one ish, right as they
were ramping up all of the COVID shooting, COVID shotting.
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I think they're going to be on the tenth COVID
shot this fall. I'm not even kidding. The number is
now ten if you have kept all of them up
to date. And Alex Berenson came on with us, and
we were one of the only shows in America that
would have this conversation, and he said, the data reflects
that the COVID shot isn't working. In the summer of
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twenty twenty one, if you remember, we were in the
middle of what they were calling hot vax summer, everybody
was going to make up for the fact that they
hadn't been able to do anything all through twenty twenty.
Rachel Maddow was getting on her show and she was
lecturing you and saying, hey, if you get the shot,
you won't get COVID. The President of the United States
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told everyone in a CNN town hall back when he
actually spoke to people and his brain worked at least
a little bit, he said, if you get the COVID shot,
you won't get COVID. That was a promise they all
made to you. They try to pretend they didn't, but
that's exactly what they told all of us. And in
encouragement to go get the COVID shot, Alex Parenson came
on with us and he said, hey, SHOT's not working.
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And a lot of people out there said, wait a minute,
shots not working. We even got blowback. A lot of
people wrote nasty things about this. I know you'll be
stunned for even being willing to have that conversation with
Alex Parence. And guess what, we were one hundred percent right.
And now we're on the tenth COVID shot. In July
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of twenty twenty one, when everybody was getting their first
couple of COVID shots, if I had come on and
said this thing's gonna be garbage and by June of
twenty twenty four, they're gonna be telling you that the
tenth COVID shot is coming. Some of you would have
nodded your head and said, yeah, you're right. A lot
more of you would have said you're crazy, even on
this show, and certainly they would have tried to shut
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us down. So I understand why some of you are
hesitant to really think about this. The only reason Joe
Biden is having the debate on June twenty seventh is
because internally there are people who don't believe that he
is capable of being president of the United States, and
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this is his attempt to try to prove to them
that he can still run. I'm telling you, that's what
this is about. Nothing else adds up. Why on June
twenty seventh, the week before July fourth, in the middle
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of the summer, when a lot of you are going
to finish your work on Friday and you're going to
hop in your cars or you're gonna get ready for
your travel to go on a family vacation. When July
fourth sets up on a Thursday and a Friday before
the RNC convention even starts, before the DNC convention occurs,
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why would there be a presidential debate. Biden isn't even
officially the nominee. Trump isn't even officially the nominee. And
if you were out there and you were making the argument, okay, well,
the reason why this makes sense on June twenty seventh
is because Biden's trying to get more momentum.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The date doesn't even add.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Up Thursday night before a major summer holiday.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
A lot of you, and I can see you out there,
a lot of you are already not even going to.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Go into work on June twenty eighth. You're going to
start your vacation earlier. A lot of you are already going.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
To be on vacation on June twenty seventh.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know, you know why they finished the NBA Finals
as early as they do, because historically, television ratings go
down a lot in the summer because so many people
are traveling, and when you get out of sorts with
your travel schedule, you don't watch live programming like you ordinarily.
Would you ever think about that? Why do they finish
sports in early June? Why do they have television program
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for those of you who are old enough to remember,
why do they have television program that starts in September
and finishes in May? Because once the summer travel season starts,
people pay less.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Sins, pay less attention.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
This isn't about Biden changing the momentum. This is about
Biden proving that he can actually run. This isn't even
about Trump or the Republicans at all. This is about
the Democrats not believing in Joe Biden. This is his
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show me moment, and I'm gonna be honest with y'all.
I'm not even sure that I want Trump to dominate
Biden in six days. This might sound counterintuitive, but I'm
actually more afraid of Democrats pulling the rug out from
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under Joe Biden because I think Biden's gonna lose, And
anybody out there who's arguing to you, well, he's gonna
be great in the debate. They already made this argument
with the State of the Union, proving that your brain
works well enough for you to talk for thirty eight
minutes or sixty two minutes, or whatever the length of
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time he talked in the State of the Union. Biden's
in worship now than he was before the State of
the Union, because no matter what he does on the
debate stage, every time he goes up and down the
stairs of Air Force one or every time he walks
across the White House lawn, all of us see the reality,
which is Biden is not physically or mentally capable to
be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
We all know this deep down. Democrats know this. That's
why the debate's happening in June.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And I know Buck doesn't want to believe me on this,
but tell me that this doesn't all add up. This
is about Biden either passing or failing the nomination test.
If he fails, soon after July fourth, they will trot
him out. He will say that he has righted the
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American ship, but that he understands it's time for a
new generation of leadership and he is stepping down and
won't run in twenty twenty four or accept the nomination.
And as a result, he's going to free all of
his delegates in August in Chicago to support whichever Democrat
they decide is the appropriate nominee.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Tell me why that doesn't make sense. That's if he
does poorly.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
If he does well, they're going to still try to
drag him across the finish line. Because really the date
for Biden here is when he's officially nominated in August
once he's officially nominated.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
This is set in stone.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
June twenty seventh is about Biden having to pass the
test for Democrats second debate September tenth, that's at least
when people are going to start early voting. I don't
really have any major alarm bells going off about September tenth,
but June twenty seventh, all of your antenna should be up.
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All of you should be asking the question, why, what's
actually motivating this?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Think about it. I'll take your calls.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'll lay this argument out a little bit more clearly
and where I think we're going and what I think
it means. But again, think aggressively. Don't listen to what
they're telling you on CNN or MSNBC or even on
a lot of the Fox News shows, because I don't
think they're thinking like you have to be thinking on
this June twenty seventh date. It's unprecedented, very unique. What's
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actually the reason why it's happening? This is Biden's pass
or fail. He's either going to prove that he can
be the nominee or Democrats are kicking him to the curb.
I hope he's the nominee because I'll tell you what
I think they're going to do if he's not when
we come back.
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Oh well, back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Friday edition of the program talking about
the fact that we clearly have a two tiered system
of justice. Some of you out there say, Okay, that's true,
what are we going to do about it? I think
that's a very valid response. I think that's probably the
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number one response that is out there. And I've called
pretty aggressively for red state DA's and red state attorney
generals to turn the tables and start to file charges
against Democrats, because I think you have to put the
fear in them that the precedents they've set as it
pertains to Republicans will be applied even lead to them
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as well. That's the only way. And that disappoints me
as a lawyer, because I'm old school in the sense
that I want to aspire to the standards of Lady Justice.
And I've talked with you guys quite a lot about
Lady Justice. She's blind for a reason. If you have
seen the traditional scales of justice, the aspiration is to
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treat everyone equal, no matter what they look like. And
that's why Lady justice is blind because the idea that
your identity should implicate whether you're found guilty or innocent,
or whether you're even charged with a crime, should not
come into play. And I'll be the first to tell
you that America has often failed to live up to
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that aspiration, which is why my most recent book I
made the argument that we have come full circle in
the world of justice where it used to be. For
those of you who grew up and read probably the
most famous American novel of the twentieth century, I would
(31:35):
wager to Kill a Mockingbird. Certainly, I would bet the
most read just about book of the American twentieth century
work of fiction. Atticus Finch is the heroic lawyer, and
I believe Makeum Alabama if I'm remembering the specific scout,
his daughter, coming of age, Jim, her brother. He is
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defending Tom Robinson, who is is a black man accused
of sexually assaulting raping a white woman. And the evidence
clearly demonstrates that Tom Robinson didn't do it. But Mayella Eyule,
and some of you, by the way, probably cheated and
wanted to watch the Gregory Peck movie because you should
have read the book. But you watched the movie instead,
(32:18):
so you're seeing this in the context of the movie
as opposed to the book. I'm on to you. You
can come clean now, go back and read the book now.
But the important thing is that book published in nineteen
sixty about a nineteen thirties crime in the American South
where justice was not rendered because of the identity of
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the alleged criminal. What we now have created, crazily is
a world where your political identity and your gender and
racial identity impacts whether or not you get charged with
the crime and how you're treated. And I was thinking
about this recently. I don't know that we have discussed it,
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but I got an email notification recently Nashville, my hometown,
in a part of Nashville, they're going to paint the
rainbow for Pride month on the road and they're going
to have a gay Pride insignia in some way on
the road, as many different cities across the country now have.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And what's wild.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Is, if you want to talk about disparate notions of justice,
have you seen that they are prosecuting people for putting
tire marks on painted roadways as hate crimes. I'm sided
like this is crazy to me. First of all, I'm
not in favor. Let me just put it on the record.
(33:44):
I'm not in favor in general of painting roadways with
political messages of any sort.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It seems like a waste of funds. It seems like
something that you have to constantly go back and adjust.
But if you do it on a public roadway and
someone decides that they want to send the message that
they disagree with whatever is on the public roadway, how
(34:17):
is that a hate crime? And I'm gonna be honest
with you, I would be content neutral on this application.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It wouldn't make me happy if.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
For July fourth, they decided we're gonna paint the American
flag on roadways everywhere, and somebody who was upset with
America decided that they wanted to disrespect the American flag
painted on the roadway by putting skin marks on them, by.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Burning out burning rubber on it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I wouldn't agree with that decision, but I would say
they should be able to do that for presuming they're
not violating some sort of motor ordinance, And it certainly
shouldn't be a hate crime. If you paint a roadway,
it seems to me you're encouraging people to give you
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their opinion of the road if it's just black asphalt.
I don't think most people really think about the road
as having a political opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't hear anybody trying. Am I crazy on this?
Or is the idea that we're.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Going to paint roads with political messages not bonkers? Now,
if you decide you own a business and you have
a parking lot and you want to paint your entire
parking lot in the Pride flag or the American flag,
or the supporting police flag, the blue flag, all of
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that would be fine to me. And you could potentially
charge somebody if you own the physical parking lot with
a crime for trespassing into facing your property. That would
be fine. But on a public roadway that all of
us pay for, I just want them to fix the potholes.
I have to dodge potholes everywhere I drive in Nashville.
(36:11):
Why are they deciding that they need to put a
Pride flag on a public roadway. You want to hang
a Pride flag outside of your business, you want to
hang an American flu, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
To do, go for it. That's capitalism.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But how have we set the precedent that there's going
to be a greater punishment for someone for deciding that
they want to burn out on a Pride flag on
a public roadway than there is for someone at Columbia
University who is making the decision that they're going to
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take over a campus building. If you were thinking to yourself,
just in the larger context, what's a greater threat to
the public a guy in a car burning rubber on
a Pride flag or thirty some odd protesters taking over
(37:06):
a campus building and refusing to come out and using
chains to lock the doors. If you were in charge
of justice and you had to decide which of those
two guys should face the most severe punishment, wouldn't you
choose for the person who locked themselves inside of a
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building to face a more severe punishment than the guy
on the public road who decided to burn out on
a Pride flag. I don't know how we have reached
a place where defacing a Pride mural is considered a
hate crime when it's on a public street. And again,
(37:50):
I don't agree with the idea of painting public streets
with any slogans or do they do Black Lives Matter
plaza outside of Lafayette Park.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think that was stupid to do.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I don't think public roads should make and have political
slogans on them of any degree. But think about the
two tiered aspect of justice that we have created, where
Democrats try to put you in prison for the rest
of your life if you upset them, and Republicans for
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the most part, do absolutely nothing to democrats. I'm in
favor of Lady Justice being blind, that is the aspirational goal.
But if Lady Justice is clearly peking, if you've basically
turned the blindfold and ripped it off and you're throwing
the book at Republicans or conservatives, I'm sorry you have
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to do the same thing to Democrats because that's how
you actually even the scales. And I was seeing the
story with what they're doing to people who are burning
rubber on Pride flags on public streets. They have surveillance
cameras set up to try to catch people not behaving
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respectfully enough when it comes to driving over the flag
on the road. They are setting traps like a speed trap.
It's a hate crime trap. They're trying to catch people
not respecting the road enough that they have painted and
people are just saying this is totally fine. By and large,
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people aren't asking the question, which to me is very basic.
Why do we have to paint roads? Can we fix potholes?
I live in Nashville. There are potholes everywhere. At a
cold winter, they still haven't fixed them all. My priority,
call me crazy, of any road is make me able
to drive on it without exploding my tires without having
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to basically be off road trying to hitting big potholes.
And it seems to me that Democrats are like, no, no, no,
We got to make sure that we have the gay
pride flag on the road, and if you don't drive
over it respectfully enough, we're going to try to put
you in prison.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It seems to me you would have.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A First Amendment argument Again, if you want to argue
that somebody violated the law because they burned rubber because
they drove too fast, I understand that on some level,
but that's not what they're doing. They're trying to do
hate crimes.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Now. For driving over gay pride flags.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You create the problem that is make it impossible basically
to not drive over the flag, and then try to
punish to the full extent of the wall. I haven't
heard anybody asking why are we painting? But the second part,
why are we painting the roads? Second part, why in
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the world, Why in the world is this happening? And
almost no one is speaking out about it at all.
It's crazy and I would stand on principle on this,
even if it's for July fourth, we painted the American
flag on a road. If somebody decided that they wanted
to disrespect the American flag, I wouldn't agree with it,
(41:18):
but I certainly wouldn't agree with trying to put them
in prison. I just there are so many crazy things
that happen every day that I think sometimes we aren't
paying attention to how crazy they are and to establishing
what is considered appropriate and inappropriate. And they set traps
(41:38):
and then they spring them, and a lot of people
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Speaker 1 (43:34):
Walking Again Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Friday edition of
the program. Buck'll be back on Tuesday. Clay Travis rolling
with you here. Join now by the first guest of
the day. She is Kelly Leffler. She is doing fantastic
work down in the state of Georgia. Appreciate her joining
us right now. Kelly, let's just start off first of all,
(43:56):
it's good to talk with you. I think I saw
you a couple of months ago down in April at
Year event. Really enjoyed speaking at the Greater Georgia event
you put on. I know you're fighting battles every single
day down in Georgia. How optimistic are you as we
sit about four and a half months out that Georgia
is going to flip back to a red state and
Trump is going to beat Biden in your state.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Well, client, it's great to be back with you. We
had a blast together in Georgia is so grateful for
you coming down and speaking to hundreds of grassroots activists
and leaders in Georgia. You know, what we're doing in
Georgia is going to put us in a very different
position than we were in in twenty twenty. So I
was just speaking at a Republican lawyers group and we
(44:38):
were talking about how the preparation and the readiness is
so much more informed by what happened in twenty twenty
and we're looking ahead to win in twenty twenty four.
But it's going to take work every single day on
the ground, and that's what we're doing. We're doing voter roll, cleanup,
voter registration, making sure that kids in colleges know that
the conservative movement is where freedom and opportunity is. We're
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reaching out to the black and Hispanic communities, so we
see that momentum on the ground. We're taking nothing for granted.
And look the polls. The polls look positive, but the
only one that matters is on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And as you look at those polls and kind of
think forward June twenty seventh, we've been having a discussion
about this. You've run for office before, you know, when
people really kind of start to pay attention. A lot
of times people say the election actually begins after Labor Day.
Why is this debate happening six days from now? What
do you think June twenty seventh tells us about the
(45:37):
state of this race? H Clay?
Speaker 6 (45:40):
I think it tells us a lot. I think it
tells us that voters are ready for this to happen.
But more importantly, this debate needs to happen because Americans
want to hear the contrast between the two visions and
the two records that have been clearly demonstrated uniquely now
in both presidencies. And you know, I think Democrats are
(46:02):
a little concerned about what's going on with their candidate,
and I think this is going to be a pressure test,
and it's a huge opportunity to make sure that President
Trump tells the story of his four years in office
how it elevated Americans across the board. And I don't
know how Biden is going to defend his record. I
think it's super critical that we hear from him because
(46:24):
we're in a perilous place in this country. I mean,
we have unprecedented risks at home and abroad, and he
needs to answer for where he has put this country.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
We're talking to Kelly Lefler. All right, Kelly, you owned
a WNBA franchise in Atlanta, and so you know the
struggles to get attention, how difficult it's been to build
this business for people out there who aren't familiar with
your tenure as the owner of the WNBA franchise in Atlanta.
Caitlin Clark is playing there tonight. I believe there's a
(46:57):
massive amount of attention for this game, particularly because she's
bringing that amount of attention. But before we get to
Caitlin Clark, what was your experience like as a WNBA
owner and why are you not still a WNBA owner.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Well, the short answer to your last question is because
the WNBA stopped being about basketball and started being about
partisan politics. But let me tell you, being a team
owner for a decade was an incredible experience because for
most of that time, the league was about sport and
the uniting power of basketball. And I saw that firsthand
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when I lived in Chicago during the nineties during the
Bulls run, I had a fifty dollars standing room only
ticket and it was exciting. I saw how a team
can unite a city, and I wanted to bring that
spirit of basketball to Atlanta. So for a decade, my
business partner and I were fifty to fifty owners in
the team. And you know, it's interesting that the debates
(47:56):
in Atlanta. This game tonight is in Atlanta, and that's
exactly where the Olympics were held in ninety six. That
David Stern, if you remember, the commissioner of the NBA,
was inspired to create a women's league. And I think
he'd be rolling over in his grave right now if
he saw that what Caitlin Clark brings to the league
(48:17):
and how she's being treated, because at that time, we
would have done anything to have a player like that,
a phenom, a sensation, And the WNBA is effectively turning
their back on her. She's been shunned from the Olympics,
and they're defending all her detractors in the league. So
it's really puzzling that we have this great player that's
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elevating the game, that is responsible for one third of
ticket sales in a league that's reportedly losing fifty million dollars,
and it could really help restore and actually save the league.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
You had issues in the WNBA because you had a
crazy idea and you just kind of hinted at that, Hey,
this league should bring everybody together. If I remember correctly,
your issues with the WNBA to a large extent dealt
with them going all in on BLM, and what I
think is one of the craziest stories of the entire
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twenty twenty sports calendar year for people out there who
have forgotten the individual, and I believe was Waukeshaw, Wisconsin
who was shot. He was armed with a knife. He
was a person who had abused women. The woman who
he had abused called asking for police come to protect her,
and all of the WNBA women wrote his name on
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the T shirts that they made and protested the police
in Wisconsin showing up to protect that woman. I felt
like I was taking crazy pills. You had two as well.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
I did. Because the WNBA was formed to empower women,
to inspire young girls. I was a young girl playing
in sports that we didn't really have women role models,
but I loved Michael Jordan and to see women standing
up for a their women would have been really amazing.
But they insisted on partnering with this BLM organization. Marxist
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leadership self avowed Marxists, put a Marxist on the WNBA
Social Justice Committee, and BLM was all about defunding the police.
And at that time, I said, we need to use
sports for unity. And I think we all remember during
twenty twenty when the Last Dance played on ESPN during
(50:29):
the pandemic and everyone was so excited. It brought people together.
But the WNBA went against that and said, no, we're
going to stand with BLM and not stand with the
basketball and the bigger community. So I was the only
sports team owner to stand up and speak out against
it and say we should unite around the American flag.
We can use this to bring people together, to inspire
people through these challenging times. And for that, they attacked
(50:51):
me and tried to cancel me, and I refused to
bend the knee.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Well, it's super brave and I'm glad you're telling that
story to the extent this audience hasn't heard it. We're
talking to former US Senator Greater Georgia chairwoman Kelly Leffler.
All right, tonight, Kaitlin Clark is coming to Atlanta. Why
do you think the WNBA has tripped all over itself?
In the way that they have responded to Caitlin Clark.
(51:18):
What is the story here? And certainly I think, but
I'm curious what your opinion is. Is it about something
other than basketball itself?
Speaker 6 (51:27):
Well, it shouldn't be. The story is Caitlin Clark can
save the WNBA if the WNBA can get politics out
of the way. But they can't because they won't let it.
You know, if you look at what Caitlyn Clark has
done in terms of bringing attention a spotlight viewership record
viewership was just hit last week with three million people
(51:47):
watching the sky Fever game. Arenas are selling out when
she plays there. Nike has given her a something like
twenty eight million dollar contract, and she's a great player.
She's all about basketball, but she's not about the leftist
political ideology that the league wants everyone to bow down to.
And so they're you know, seeing the challenges of that
(52:08):
where players are lashing out against Caitlyn. Caitlyn is rising
above it. She's playing through it. She's one of the
fiercest competitors out there. She can take the physicality, she
can take the toughness. We've even had to have a
congressman from Indiana write a letter to the league that says,
wait a minute, you know, it feels like there's a
player that's being treated differently. Meanwhile all the other players
(52:29):
are saying, well, she gets special whistles, and I just say, Okay.
That's when you know they actually don't have an answer
for her skill level, because if you're blaming it on
the refs, she has a record. You can look at
her stats right now. She's one of the top players
in the league. She's certainly the best rookie in the league,
and she's been overtly left off of the Olympic roster.
(52:50):
So look, she still has a chance to save the league.
The league can recover from this if they embrace her
and elevate her just like every other player. But we
haven't seen that happening yet.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
You've been a really successful entrepreneur in your career. I'm
curious how you would assess this because sometimes it seems
to me that people would rather be part of a
small company or entity that they have control over than
build something truly massive. And you mentioned Jordan in the
Last Dance and going to watch him play fifty dollars
(53:21):
tickets in Chicago. To me, that's a perfect example, Jordan
and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson came into the league
and they changed it forever and made people care about
the NBA that might not have before. We just saw
one more recently in the late nineties, Tiger Woods came
into the PGA and brought a brand new audience and
took the PGA to a different level than golf had
(53:43):
ever been before. Why do you think the WNBA, which
you know better than anybody, has been begging and starved
for attention and trying to make people care about their sport,
has been given this Tiger Woods like gift and tripped
all over it.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
Well, and let me even add one more example, and
I've had a commissioner with it. A conversation with NBA
Commissioner Adam Silver about this his vision for the WNBA.
Look at what Venus and Serena Williams did for tennis,
the audiences they brought in, they banded that sport that
could have been tremendous. The fact is Caitlin Clark does
not fit the mold that they want in the WNBA.
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She doesn't bring the inter sectional qualities that they think
are required to put on a pedestal. And they want
to make sure that they preserve this left wing ideology,
and if you don't buy into it and you don't
promote it, then you can't be promoted on their platform.
And that's just really tragic for the league and for
the valuations of the teams. I think, you know, if
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that's going to hold them back, it's a shame because
here we have a talented player that's potentially influencing thousands
of other young girls who want to be part of athletics.
Maybe not basketball, maybe it's tennis or golf, but they
want to see that there's a chance for them to succeed.
And yet we have WNBA players going down the road
of advocating to allow men in sports. They're writing op
(55:06):
ed after op ed about it, and this is where
the league stands right now, and it's not heading in
the right direction given the platform they've been offered.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Would you have ever believed you said you grew up
playing sports. I know a lot of people out there
listening did as well. Would you ever believe that we'd
find a place where a woman like Dawn Staley, who
is probably right now the most prominent women's coach in
all of college I think that's fair to say, would
be saying, hey, if you're a man who identifies as
a woman, you should be able to come and get
a women's scholarship and compete in women's basketball. Like twenty
(55:38):
years ago, would you have believed this would have ever
been possible.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
I can't believe it today, Certainly not twenty years ago.
In fact, before she passed, I had the opportunity to
meet the late great Pat Summit, whot so hard, amazing woman,
and fought so hard to have women have the same opportunity.
Now they're virtually trying to hand it to men on
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the silver platter. And you know, while the American team
USA is going for their eighth consecutive Olympic gold medal,
who knows the ninth one may not be possible because
there may be a man playing on Team Spain or
you know whatever. So you know, it's one of those
things that it's you can't believe it, and you hope
that we can get back to normal. But I was
the first senator in the history of the United States
(56:25):
to introduce protecting women in girls' sports language in the Senate.
I could only get a few other Republican senators on
that bill with me, and it didn't even get brought
to the floor, and I was criticized for it being
divisive because everyone said, we don't need a bill to
do that. Well, four years later, we should have had
that bill because too many girls are getting excluded, too
(56:46):
many boys are in girls' locker rooms, and now states
are trying to codify and the federal government through Title
nine rollbacks, trying to codify allowing men in women's sports
and in men's women's locker rooms, and it's not fair
to young girls.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
It's absolutely crazy. Kelly Leffler.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I just came back from Atlanta with my kids, went
and watched the Atlanta Braves play absolutely amazing time.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Georgia needs to go back red. How can people help.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
If they're listening to you right now and they're around
and they're listening, they're in Georgia or they're around the
country and they want to help what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
Well, First of all, if you're in Georgia, go to
Greater Georgia dot com sign up to get involved and
we'll get you involved right away. Also, if you're around
the country, contact your local GOP chactor, Young Republicans, College
Republicans reach out and get involved in something, because when
we look at the polls, we can see things are
going in the right direction. But you have to ask
(57:45):
yourself what am I doing to make sure that we
stay there? And it's not just enough to say I'm
going to vote. You have to do a little bit more.
Talk to your friends and family. Don't get canceled about
being conservative and be proud. Get out and talk to
your family and friends as much as you can about
getting involved.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Kelly, look forward to seeing you again soon. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Thanks, Claig. I gat to see you go.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
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back with me on Tuesday. I am back from what
might be described as a disastrous golf performance at the
Live Nashville Golf event. Hank Haney says he can fix
my swing as he once fixed Rush swing, So we'll
(00:21):
see whether or not that can become a reality. We
have got a lot to discuss with all of you
as we roll into the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Right off the.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Top, still no verdict, no ruling, no decision on what
exactly is going to happen when it comes to presidential
immunity for Donald Trump as it pertains to the January
sixth cases brought by Jack Smith. As we've told you
for some time on this program, it feels like these
(00:49):
are going to be released at the absolute latest time imaginable.
Next week is scheduled to be the last day, last
couple of days of release from the opinions I believe.
I was texting with Shannon Breem earlier. She covers the
Supreme Court for Fox News. She said there are still
sixteen cases that are outstanding, including the Trump immunity case,
(01:12):
and what's going to end up happening with the jan
sixth cases, the Fisher case that you've heard us talk
about a lot with Julie Kelly in terms of whether
or not that those charges under Sarvaine's Oxley of basically
messing up a proceeding are going to be allowed to proceed.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So all of that still to come.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And we're sitting six days away from the big debate
on June twenty seventh in Atlanta on CNN, no crowds, President,
but Joe Biden has to stand for ninety minutes, and
Joe Biden has now gone to camp. David basically ended
everything on his schedule to prepare for a ninety minute
(01:56):
debate that is already being called essentially his campaign in
that if he does poorly in this, the race is
effectively over. I've got a lot of thoughts on that,
as you can well imagine. We'll talk about that a
little bit maybe in the second hour. Of course, we
will take your calls on a Friday as we often
do eight hundred and two two eight A two, and
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Kelly Leffler, former Senator from Georgia, is going to be
with us in the final hour of the program. She's
doing great work to help make sure that Georgia turns
back read with her advocacy group down there. We will
discuss many different issues with her in the third hour
of the program.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
But she's the only guest right now scheduled to be
with us.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So let's dive in because I think there are a
couple of stories that are not getting the amount of
attention that they should have that I want to discuss
with all of you. First, you probably have heard that
Alvin Bragg, who charged Donald Trump with thirty four felonies,
who elevated misdemeanors too felonies at a time when he
almost always is lowering felonies to misdemeanors, has dropped all
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of the charges against the Columbia University protesters who took
over campus buildings. Clearly violated laws on trespassing. There are
arguable assaults that were created and involved in the takeover
of those buildings.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
But let's listen.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I believe it has cut for to a discussion about
the charges all being dropped there here it is nowadays the.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Manhattan District Attorney's office has dropped criminal charges against dozens
of anti Israel protesters who barricaded themselves in buildings at
Columbia University back in April without even.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
A slap on the wrist.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And now there's outrage over this move and it is
growing fast. Nate Floy is live with the latest on
this story for US Nate.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey, Jackie.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So, the cases of thirty one Columbia Universities students and
staff members arrested at Hamilton Hall are now dismissed. Prosecutors
say there is insufficient evidence to prove the defendants cause
damage or injured anybody because of a lack of security
camera footage and the fact that protesters wore face masks.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is bonkers.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I would imagine New York City Mayor Eric Adams is
furious about this. This is not a difficult case to
actually prosecute. They arrested the protesters illegally trespassing in the
building after they had taken control of the building, after
they had chained the doors, and refuse to leave. This
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is one of the easiest cases imaginable. But the charges
are being dropped and at the same time they have
done everything they can. I believe they're going to try
to put Trump in prison. On July eighth when he
shows up for sentencing. I expect that Alvin Bragg will
request prison time for Trump. That remains to be seen.
The reports have been that the district attorney, Alvin Bragg
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will actually share his impressions of what the punishment should
be in court filings, although I would suspect those will
leak immediately in the New York Times, the Washington Post,
probably the New York Times will break that story before
the court filings have hardly even hit the docket. So
I want to bring this up because there are two
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instances of late that have not received substantial amounts of
attention that I believe should have, of clear crimes being
committed by Democrats where absolutely nothing has happened to them.
Now there are lots of examples of this. Certainly we
could go in and talk about doctor Fauci and all
the lies that he's told. Hunter Biden finally getting prosecuted,
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convicted in Delaware soon to be convicted, I believe, based
on the fact that he clearly didn't pay millions of
dollars in taxes in California when that case is scheduled
to go to trial in September. But two cases that
I haven't heard very many people talk about and I
want to hit you with the details on them here.
Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, is
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refusing to turn over audio recordings of President Biden being
questioned by Robert Herr, the special counsel.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You'll recall that Joe.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Biden came out and claimed that he was misquoted, that
he was asked all sorts of questions that he believed
were outside the pale of the investigation, claiming you remember
in a fiery press conference back in I believe February
that his own son's death bow had been brought up,
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and the fact that he couldn't remember when that happened,
or that he got dates confused, was a sign of
somehow this being an unfair investigation. And remember the ultimate
decision of Robert Herr was that Joe Biden was a
well meaning elderly man who didn't have the mental faculties
to be charged with crimes that he actually committed. Well,
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I believe it's incredibly important, particularly because the Biden White
House is now claiming that videos showing clear cognitive and
physical decline of Joe Biden are cheap fakes. I believe
that all of us should be able to hear Joe
Biden answer the questions of Robert Her. There are audio
files as we are soon to enter presidential voting time.
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Don't you believe that, given the fact that Joe Biden
doesn't have very many interviews that he gives period, we
should be able to hear Biden answering questions of Robert
Her and make our own determination about how he sounds,
either positive or negative. Is this a man that we
believe can get on the phone with Ukraine, with Russia,
with China and try to deal with major geopolitical issues
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that are unspooling on a day to day basis. Or
is his mental and physical cognition a severe issue?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
To me?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
This is not a remotely difficult question. And the Republicans
in Congress voted and said, we believe that this tape
should be released. Merrick Garland said no. They held him
in contempt because he's refusing to comply with a request
from Congress. And Merrick Garland's own Department of Justice said, hey,
guess what, this is not a violation of the law.
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We can do whatever we want here. So Merrick Garland
clear contempt of Congress, no prosecution at all. He's above
the law, which Joe Biden, of course claims no one is. Meanwhile,
Steve Bannon is having to appeal to the Supreme Court
because otherwise he's going to have to begin a four
month jail sentence on July first. That's a pretty direct comparison.
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Bannon defies Congress's orders and he's put in prison for
four months. Merrick Garland defies Congressional request that he merely
released the actual audio files of Joe Biden's investigation. That
hearing that questioning of Robert Hrr and the Department of
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Justice says, hey, Merrick Garland doesn't have any criminal culpability
at all. He can just thumb his nose at Congress.
That's pretty significant. Second one, and I think this is
massive and it's important to understand where we are when it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Comes to the justice system.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
No charges at all are being brought in this classified
document case which Robert Hurr was investigating against Joe Biden,
even though they found that he willfully retained classified documents.
Remember classified documents that likely originated from his days in
the Senate or potentially when he was Vice president, that
he kept in files beside his corvette, and that he
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bragged about finding on audio to his ghostwriter of his book.
The ghostwriter, as soon as this classified document investigation began,
tried to delete all of the audio files of his
interviews with Joe Biden. They know this, They uncovered that
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he had done it. Nothing has happened to him at all.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Repeat this because I think this is actually a situation
where Republicans are dropping the ball in Congress. This is
not a very complicated case. The ghostwriter of Joe Biden's autobiography,
Remember these guys don't actually write their own autobiographies. The
ghostwriter had on tape Joe Biden bragging about retrieving classified
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documents that he shared with his ghostwriter. Who knows what
else Joe Biden was saying on those audio tapes. As
soon as the Robert Hurr investigation began, the ghostwriter of
this book tried to delete all of the audio files
that he had of Joe Biden. That's clear destruction of evidence.
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Why has he not been this ghostwriter hauled directly in
front of Congress and made to answer questions under oath.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
But on a larger scale, how.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In the world have no charges been brought against him,
to say nothing of Joe Biden, but at least he
has presidential immunity because he's currently in office, and there's
a Department of Justice idea that you can't be prosecuted.
But we know that Joe Biden willfully retained classified documents,
bragged about having them on audio, and that his ghostwriter
then tried to delete all of the files as soon
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as he knew this investigation began. How many of you
even know that. One of the big challenges that frustrates
me in general is every day there is a fire
hose worth of stories that are spraying out in every direction.
And one of the big problems that we have is
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the Republican Party doesn't do a good job figuring out
what matters and what needs to be focused on. I mean, honestly,
how many of you even knew that ghostwriter story? How
many of you knew that Joe Biden is on tape
bragging about having classified documents to his ghostwriter, and that
the ghost tried to destroy all.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Of these files.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
That is very clear evidence destruction of evidence. It's an
easy case to bring in a federal investigation. Yet nothing
has happened to this ghostwriter, and for the most part,
nobody has talked about it at all. Why is this
not a major point of discussion. Why is this guy,
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this ghostwriter not hauled immediately before Congress and made to
answer questions? And how in the world can you justify
him not being charged with crimes. He's not president, he
doesn't have presidential immunity. These conversations that he tried to
destroy happened back when Biden was vice after Biden was
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vice president, not when he was president. There's no claim
that these are somehow protected conversations. However, Republicans dropped the
ball on this. And what might that ghostwriter say if
he was actually facing criminal charges, and as should be
the case, people were trying to put him in prison,
might he turn on Joe Biden and actually share a
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lot more incriminating evidence. This is just no brainer, basic
blocking and tackling not being executed. It's an easy story
for everyone out there to understand. Why is the Republican
Party not focusing on this story? Biden on audio bragging
about having classified documents that he had no business being
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able to retain, and his ghostwriter who told him to
suddenly destroy all that evidence. That's a pretty big decision
for a ghostwriter to make. That he goes into a
computer and starts trying to destroy all the files of
all of his investigations. You don't think somebody told.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Him to do that?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
How do we not have this guy under oath? How
is he not being charged? I want to talk about
this more, but I think it's very instructive. As Alvin
Bragg continues to drop charges against everybody arrested in Colombia,
as Merrick Garland thumbs his nose at congressional demands that
he released the actual audio files of Biden's Robert Her investigation,
and as the ghost writer here knowingly destroying evidence to
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try to protect Joe Biden. How is this not a
bigger story? Why is he not under oath? How is
he avoided being charged? We'll talk about all that more.
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Speaker 1 (15:22):
Buck, we'll be back with me on Tuesday. Out today
and Monday, and we'll be certainly talking a lot over
the next several days about the upcoming debate and what
we should expect to see.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
From the debate.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
As Joe Biden is now at Camp David for the
next seven days, preparing for what he is going to
theoretically be able to do. Remember, debate's only ninety minutes.
There are two different commercial breaks presumably that will knock
out six or seven minutes from the overall debate.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
So you're then down to what eighty three minutes ish.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Trump will talk for half of that time, We're only
talking about Joe Biden having to talk for thirty five
or forty minutes. He's preparing for one full week to
talk for the amount of time that I talk to
you every hour.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Think about how crazy that is.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The President of the United States has cleared his entire
schedule to go to Camp David and prepare to talk
to all of you for about forty five minutes at
the absolute apex, more likely thirty eight forty two minutes
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somewhere in there when you factor in the amount of
time for the commercial breaks. I mean, honestly, with the
questions being asked, he probably only has to talk for
about thirty five minutes. He's preparing for one full week
to do that. And I know that many of you
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out there agree with me that Biden is not going
to be the nominee, and I bet Buck, I bet
I bet Buck told you the last two days. Oh,
I'm sticking to it. Clay's going to be buying me
a stake. There's no way that they are going to
move on from Biden. Let me lay out for you
what I.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Think is actually going on here.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
June twenty seventh is the earliest we have ever had
a presidential debate in American political history.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Three months earlier.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
In fact, than we have ever had an American presidential debate.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why is that happening?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't think enough people are sitting back and saying,
wait a minute, what's the decision process here? Why did
the Biden team want to have a debate this early?
I don't blame Trump. He said he would debate Biden anytime,
any place, anywhere. And Biden said, Okay, we want June
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twenty seventh, and we want I believe it's September tenth.
The team can check me on that if we're wrong.
Both of those are very early. But the June twenty
seventh date, in particular, I just said, when you have
the speech writer trying to delete all the audio files
of Joe Biden, it should send the antenna up.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You know, you usually don't.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Catch a liar telling a grand lie. That's usually not
how lies get discovered. It's usually something small that just
doesn't add up, and you pull that thread and it
leads to a much more substantial lie. Big grand lies
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are actually sometimes easier to get away with because if
the why isn't being told, it would be a foundational why.
People always say, like, how does Bernie Madeoff happen? How
does Ron happen? Because so many people are afraid to
even consider that the very substance of the entity itself might.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Be based on a fraud. People just don't want to.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Make that leap because if you're wrong on that, then
you look like a crazy person. If you came out
right before Enron imploded and you said, I got this
crazy idea. I think this Houston energy company that's one
of the biggest in the world, I think it's all
a big shell game. You came out and you said
about Bernie made Off. Hey, this guy who's been raising
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money for decades has some of the richest people out
there supporting him. I think all of this is just
a pyramid scheme. The foundational why is so substant Anchel
that in order to even make the argument, you have
to be willing to look a little bit crazy. Buck
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and I, by the way, today is our three year
anniversary of this show. Starting one of the first couple
of months that we were on, we had Alex Bearnson
on in our New York City studio. I believe it
was July of twenty twenty one ish, right as they
were ramping up all of the COVID shooting, COVID shotting.
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I think they're going to be on the tenth COVID
shot this fall. I'm not even kidding. The number is
now ten if you have kept all of them up
to date. And Alex Berenson came on with us, and
we were one of the only shows in America that
would have this conversation, and he said, the data reflects
that the COVID shot isn't working. In the summer of
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twenty twenty one, if you remember, we were in the
middle of what they were calling hot vax summer, everybody
was going to make up for the fact that they
hadn't been able to do anything all through twenty twenty.
Rachel Maddow was getting on her show and she was
lecturing you and saying, hey, if you get the shot,
you won't get COVID. The President of the United States
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told everyone in a CNN town hall back when he
actually spoke to people and his brain worked at least
a little bit, he said, if you get the COVID shot,
you won't get COVID. That was a promise they all
made to you. They try to pretend they didn't, but
that's exactly what they told all of us. And in
encouragement to go get the COVID shot, Alex Parenson came
on with us and he said, hey, SHOT's not working.
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And a lot of people out there said, wait a minute,
shots not working. We even got blowback. A lot of
people wrote nasty things about this. I know you'll be
stunned for even being willing to have that conversation with
Alex Parence. And guess what, we were one hundred percent right.
And now we're on the tenth COVID shot. In July
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of twenty twenty one, when everybody was getting their first
couple of COVID shots, if I had come on and
said this thing's gonna be garbage and by June of
twenty twenty four, they're gonna be telling you that the
tenth COVID shot is coming. Some of you would have
nodded your head and said, yeah, you're right. A lot
more of you would have said you're crazy, even on
this show, and certainly they would have tried to shut
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us down. So I understand why some of you are
hesitant to really think about this. The only reason Joe
Biden is having the debate on June twenty seventh is
because internally there are people who don't believe that he
is capable of being president of the United States, and
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this is his attempt to try to prove to them
that he can still run. I'm telling you, that's what
this is about. Nothing else adds up. Why on June
twenty seventh, the week before July fourth, in the middle
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of the summer, when a lot of you are going
to finish your work on Friday and you're going to
hop in your cars or you're gonna get ready for
your travel to go on a family vacation. When July
fourth sets up on a Thursday and a Friday before
the RNC convention even starts, before the DNC convention occurs,
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why would there be a presidential debate. Biden isn't even
officially the nominee. Trump isn't even officially the nominee. And
if you were out there and you were making the argument, okay, well,
the reason why this makes sense on June twenty seventh
is because Biden's trying to get more momentum.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
The date doesn't even add.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Up Thursday night before a major summer holiday.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
A lot of you, and I can see you out there,
a lot of you are already not even going to.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Go into work on June twenty eighth. You're going to
start your vacation earlier. A lot of you are already going.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
To be on vacation on June twenty seventh.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know, you know why they finished the NBA Finals
as early as they do, because historically, television ratings go
down a lot in the summer because so many people
are traveling, and when you get out of sorts with
your travel schedule, you don't watch live programming like you ordinarily.
Would you ever think about that? Why do they finish
sports in early June? Why do they have television program
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for those of you who are old enough to remember,
why do they have television program that starts in September
and finishes in May? Because once the summer travel season starts,
people pay less.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Sins, pay less attention.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
This isn't about Biden changing the momentum. This is about
Biden proving that he can actually run. This isn't even
about Trump or the Republicans at all. This is about
the Democrats not believing in Joe Biden. This is his
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show me moment, and I'm gonna be honest with y'all.
I'm not even sure that I want Trump to dominate
Biden in six days. This might sound counterintuitive, but I'm
actually more afraid of Democrats pulling the rug out from
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under Joe Biden because I think Biden's gonna lose, And
anybody out there who's arguing to you, well, he's gonna
be great in the debate. They already made this argument
with the State of the Union, proving that your brain
works well enough for you to talk for thirty eight
minutes or sixty two minutes, or whatever the length of
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time he talked in the State of the Union. Biden's
in worship now than he was before the State of
the Union, because no matter what he does on the
debate stage, every time he goes up and down the
stairs of Air Force one or every time he walks
across the White House lawn, all of us see the reality,
which is Biden is not physically or mentally capable to
be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
We all know this deep down. Democrats know this. That's
why the debate's happening in June.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And I know Buck doesn't want to believe me on this,
but tell me that this doesn't all add up. This
is about Biden either passing or failing the nomination test.
If he fails, soon after July fourth, they will trot
him out. He will say that he has righted the
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American ship, but that he understands it's time for a
new generation of leadership and he is stepping down and
won't run in twenty twenty four or accept the nomination.
And as a result, he's going to free all of
his delegates in August in Chicago to support whichever Democrat
they decide is the appropriate nominee.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Tell me why that doesn't make sense. That's if he
does poorly.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
If he does well, they're going to still try to
drag him across the finish line. Because really the date
for Biden here is when he's officially nominated in August
once he's officially nominated.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
This is set in stone.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
June twenty seventh is about Biden having to pass the
test for Democrats second debate September tenth, that's at least
when people are going to start early voting. I don't
really have any major alarm bells going off about September tenth,
but June twenty seventh, all of your antenna should be up.
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All of you should be asking the question, why, what's
actually motivating this?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Think about it. I'll take your calls.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'll lay this argument out a little bit more clearly
and where I think we're going and what I think
it means. But again, think aggressively. Don't listen to what
they're telling you on CNN or MSNBC or even on
a lot of the Fox News shows, because I don't
think they're thinking like you have to be thinking on
this June twenty seventh date. It's unprecedented, very unique. What's
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actually the reason why it's happening? This is Biden's pass
or fail. He's either going to prove that he can
be the nominee or Democrats are kicking him to the curb.
I hope he's the nominee because I'll tell you what
I think they're going to do if he's not when
we come back.
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Oh well, back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us as we are
rolling through the Friday edition of the program talking about
the fact that we clearly have a two tiered system
of justice. Some of you out there say, Okay, that's true,
what are we going to do about it? I think
that's a very valid response. I think that's probably the
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number one response that is out there. And I've called
pretty aggressively for red state DA's and red state attorney
generals to turn the tables and start to file charges
against Democrats, because I think you have to put the
fear in them that the precedents they've set as it
pertains to Republicans will be applied even lead to them
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as well. That's the only way. And that disappoints me
as a lawyer, because I'm old school in the sense
that I want to aspire to the standards of Lady Justice.
And I've talked with you guys quite a lot about
Lady Justice. She's blind for a reason. If you have
seen the traditional scales of justice, the aspiration is to
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treat everyone equal, no matter what they look like. And
that's why Lady justice is blind because the idea that
your identity should implicate whether you're found guilty or innocent,
or whether you're even charged with a crime, should not
come into play. And I'll be the first to tell
you that America has often failed to live up to
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that aspiration, which is why my most recent book I
made the argument that we have come full circle in
the world of justice where it used to be. For
those of you who grew up and read probably the
most famous American novel of the twentieth century, I would
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wager to Kill a Mockingbird. Certainly, I would bet the
most read just about book of the American twentieth century
work of fiction. Atticus Finch is the heroic lawyer, and
I believe Makeum Alabama if I'm remembering the specific scout,
his daughter, coming of age, Jim, her brother. He is
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defending Tom Robinson, who is is a black man accused
of sexually assaulting raping a white woman. And the evidence
clearly demonstrates that Tom Robinson didn't do it. But Mayella Eyule,
and some of you, by the way, probably cheated and
wanted to watch the Gregory Peck movie because you should
have read the book. But you watched the movie instead,
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so you're seeing this in the context of the movie
as opposed to the book. I'm on to you. You
can come clean now, go back and read the book now.
But the important thing is that book published in nineteen
sixty about a nineteen thirties crime in the American South
where justice was not rendered because of the identity of
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the alleged criminal. What we now have created, crazily is
a world where your political identity and your gender and
racial identity impacts whether or not you get charged with
the crime and how you're treated. And I was thinking
about this recently. I don't know that we have discussed it,
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but I got an email notification recently Nashville, my hometown,
in a part of Nashville, they're going to paint the
rainbow for Pride month on the road and they're going
to have a gay Pride insignia in some way on
the road, as many different cities across the country now have.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And what's wild.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Is, if you want to talk about disparate notions of justice,
have you seen that they are prosecuting people for putting
tire marks on painted roadways as hate crimes. I'm sided
like this is crazy to me. First of all, I'm
not in favor. Let me just put it on the record.
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I'm not in favor in general of painting roadways with
political messages of any sort.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It seems like a waste of funds. It seems like
something that you have to constantly go back and adjust.
But if you do it on a public roadway and
someone decides that they want to send the message that
they disagree with whatever is on the public roadway, how
(34:17):
is that a hate crime? And I'm gonna be honest
with you, I would be content neutral on this application.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It wouldn't make me happy if.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
For July fourth, they decided we're gonna paint the American
flag on roadways everywhere, and somebody who was upset with
America decided that they wanted to disrespect the American flag
painted on the roadway by putting skin marks on them, by.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Burning out burning rubber on it.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I wouldn't agree with that decision, but I would say
they should be able to do that for presuming they're
not violating some sort of motor ordinance, And it certainly
shouldn't be a hate crime. If you paint a roadway,
it seems to me you're encouraging people to give you
(35:08):
their opinion of the road if it's just black asphalt.
I don't think most people really think about the road
as having a political opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I don't hear anybody trying. Am I crazy on this?
Or is the idea that we're.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Going to paint roads with political messages not bonkers? Now,
if you decide you own a business and you have
a parking lot and you want to paint your entire
parking lot in the Pride flag or the American flag,
or the supporting police flag, the blue flag, all of
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that would be fine to me. And you could potentially
charge somebody if you own the physical parking lot with
a crime for trespassing into facing your property. That would
be fine. But on a public roadway that all of
us pay for, I just want them to fix the potholes.
I have to dodge potholes everywhere I drive in Nashville.
(36:11):
Why are they deciding that they need to put a
Pride flag on a public roadway. You want to hang
a Pride flag outside of your business, you want to
hang an American flu, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
To do, go for it. That's capitalism.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
But how have we set the precedent that there's going
to be a greater punishment for someone for deciding that
they want to burn out on a Pride flag on
a public roadway than there is for someone at Columbia
University who is making the decision that they're going to
(36:45):
take over a campus building. If you were thinking to yourself,
just in the larger context, what's a greater threat to
the public a guy in a car burning rubber on
a Pride flag or thirty some odd protesters taking over
(37:06):
a campus building and refusing to come out and using
chains to lock the doors. If you were in charge
of justice and you had to decide which of those
two guys should face the most severe punishment, wouldn't you
choose for the person who locked themselves inside of a
(37:28):
building to face a more severe punishment than the guy
on the public road who decided to burn out on
a Pride flag. I don't know how we have reached
a place where defacing a Pride mural is considered a
hate crime when it's on a public street. And again,
(37:50):
I don't agree with the idea of painting public streets
with any slogans or do they do Black Lives Matter
plaza outside of Lafayette Park.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think that was stupid to do.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I don't think public roads should make and have political
slogans on them of any degree. But think about the
two tiered aspect of justice that we have created, where
Democrats try to put you in prison for the rest
of your life if you upset them, and Republicans for
(38:24):
the most part, do absolutely nothing to democrats. I'm in
favor of Lady Justice being blind, that is the aspirational goal.
But if Lady Justice is clearly peking, if you've basically
turned the blindfold and ripped it off and you're throwing
the book at Republicans or conservatives, I'm sorry you have
(38:48):
to do the same thing to Democrats because that's how
you actually even the scales. And I was seeing the
story with what they're doing to people who are burning
rubber on Pride flags on public streets. They have surveillance
cameras set up to try to catch people not behaving
(39:10):
respectfully enough when it comes to driving over the flag
on the road. They are setting traps like a speed trap.
It's a hate crime trap. They're trying to catch people
not respecting the road enough that they have painted and
people are just saying this is totally fine. By and large,
(39:32):
people aren't asking the question, which to me is very basic.
Why do we have to paint roads? Can we fix potholes?
I live in Nashville. There are potholes everywhere. At a
cold winter, they still haven't fixed them all. My priority,
call me crazy, of any road is make me able
to drive on it without exploding my tires without having
(39:56):
to basically be off road trying to hitting big potholes.
And it seems to me that Democrats are like, no, no, no,
We got to make sure that we have the gay
pride flag on the road, and if you don't drive
over it respectfully enough, we're going to try to put
you in prison.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It seems to me you would have.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A First Amendment argument Again, if you want to argue
that somebody violated the law because they burned rubber because
they drove too fast, I understand that on some level,
but that's not what they're doing. They're trying to do
hate crimes.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Now. For driving over gay pride flags.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You create the problem that is make it impossible basically
to not drive over the flag, and then try to
punish to the full extent of the wall. I haven't
heard anybody asking why are we painting? But the second part,
why are we painting the roads? Second part, why in
(40:55):
the world, Why in the world is this happening? And
almost no one is speaking out about it at all.
It's crazy and I would stand on principle on this,
even if it's for July fourth, we painted the American
flag on a road. If somebody decided that they wanted
to disrespect the American flag, I wouldn't agree with it,
(41:18):
but I certainly wouldn't agree with trying to put them
in prison. I just there are so many crazy things
that happen every day that I think sometimes we aren't
paying attention to how crazy they are and to establishing
what is considered appropriate and inappropriate. And they set traps
(41:38):
and then they spring them, and a lot of people
don't even realize what's going on. I want to tell you,
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Speaker 1 (43:34):
Walking Again Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Friday edition of
the program. Buck'll be back on Tuesday. Clay Travis rolling
with you here. Join now by the first guest of
the day. She is Kelly Leffler. She is doing fantastic
work down in the state of Georgia. Appreciate her joining
us right now. Kelly, let's just start off first of all,
(43:56):
it's good to talk with you. I think I saw
you a couple of months ago down in April at
Year event. Really enjoyed speaking at the Greater Georgia event
you put on. I know you're fighting battles every single
day down in Georgia. How optimistic are you as we
sit about four and a half months out that Georgia
is going to flip back to a red state and
Trump is going to beat Biden in your state.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Well, client, it's great to be back with you. We
had a blast together in Georgia is so grateful for
you coming down and speaking to hundreds of grassroots activists
and leaders in Georgia. You know, what we're doing in
Georgia is going to put us in a very different
position than we were in in twenty twenty. So I
was just speaking at a Republican lawyers group and we
(44:38):
were talking about how the preparation and the readiness is
so much more informed by what happened in twenty twenty
and we're looking ahead to win in twenty twenty four.
But it's going to take work every single day on
the ground, and that's what we're doing. We're doing voter roll, cleanup,
voter registration, making sure that kids in colleges know that
the conservative movement is where freedom and opportunity is. We're
(45:01):
reaching out to the black and Hispanic communities, so we
see that momentum on the ground. We're taking nothing for granted.
And look the polls. The polls look positive, but the
only one that matters is on November fifth.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And as you look at those polls and kind of
think forward June twenty seventh, we've been having a discussion
about this. You've run for office before, you know, when
people really kind of start to pay attention. A lot
of times people say the election actually begins after Labor Day.
Why is this debate happening six days from now? What
do you think June twenty seventh tells us about the
(45:37):
state of this race? H Clay?
Speaker 6 (45:40):
I think it tells us a lot. I think it
tells us that voters are ready for this to happen.
But more importantly, this debate needs to happen because Americans
want to hear the contrast between the two visions and
the two records that have been clearly demonstrated uniquely now
in both presidencies. And you know, I think Democrats are
(46:02):
a little concerned about what's going on with their candidate,
and I think this is going to be a pressure test,
and it's a huge opportunity to make sure that President
Trump tells the story of his four years in office
how it elevated Americans across the board. And I don't
know how Biden is going to defend his record. I
think it's super critical that we hear from him because
(46:24):
we're in a perilous place in this country. I mean,
we have unprecedented risks at home and abroad, and he
needs to answer for where he has put this country.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
We're talking to Kelly Lefler. All right, Kelly, you owned
a WNBA franchise in Atlanta, and so you know the
struggles to get attention, how difficult it's been to build
this business for people out there who aren't familiar with
your tenure as the owner of the WNBA franchise in Atlanta.
Caitlin Clark is playing there tonight. I believe there's a
(46:57):
massive amount of attention for this game, particularly because she's
bringing that amount of attention. But before we get to
Caitlin Clark, what was your experience like as a WNBA
owner and why are you not still a WNBA owner.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
Well, the short answer to your last question is because
the WNBA stopped being about basketball and started being about
partisan politics. But let me tell you, being a team
owner for a decade was an incredible experience because for
most of that time, the league was about sport and
the uniting power of basketball. And I saw that firsthand
(47:35):
when I lived in Chicago during the nineties during the
Bulls run, I had a fifty dollars standing room only
ticket and it was exciting. I saw how a team
can unite a city, and I wanted to bring that
spirit of basketball to Atlanta. So for a decade, my
business partner and I were fifty to fifty owners in
the team. And you know, it's interesting that the debates
(47:56):
in Atlanta. This game tonight is in Atlanta, and that's
exactly where the Olympics were held in ninety six. That
David Stern, if you remember, the commissioner of the NBA,
was inspired to create a women's league. And I think
he'd be rolling over in his grave right now if
he saw that what Caitlin Clark brings to the league
(48:17):
and how she's being treated, because at that time, we
would have done anything to have a player like that,
a phenom, a sensation, And the WNBA is effectively turning
their back on her. She's been shunned from the Olympics,
and they're defending all her detractors in the league. So
it's really puzzling that we have this great player that's
(48:39):
elevating the game, that is responsible for one third of
ticket sales in a league that's reportedly losing fifty million dollars,
and it could really help restore and actually save the league.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
You had issues in the WNBA because you had a
crazy idea and you just kind of hinted at that, Hey,
this league should bring everybody together. If I remember correctly,
your issues with the WNBA to a large extent dealt
with them going all in on BLM, and what I
think is one of the craziest stories of the entire
(49:11):
twenty twenty sports calendar year for people out there who
have forgotten the individual, and I believe was Waukeshaw, Wisconsin
who was shot. He was armed with a knife. He
was a person who had abused women. The woman who
he had abused called asking for police come to protect her,
and all of the WNBA women wrote his name on
(49:33):
the T shirts that they made and protested the police
in Wisconsin showing up to protect that woman. I felt
like I was taking crazy pills. You had two as well.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
I did. Because the WNBA was formed to empower women,
to inspire young girls. I was a young girl playing
in sports that we didn't really have women role models,
but I loved Michael Jordan and to see women standing
up for a their women would have been really amazing.
But they insisted on partnering with this BLM organization. Marxist
(50:09):
leadership self avowed Marxists, put a Marxist on the WNBA
Social Justice Committee, and BLM was all about defunding the police.
And at that time, I said, we need to use
sports for unity. And I think we all remember during
twenty twenty when the Last Dance played on ESPN during
(50:29):
the pandemic and everyone was so excited. It brought people together.
But the WNBA went against that and said, no, we're
going to stand with BLM and not stand with the
basketball and the bigger community. So I was the only
sports team owner to stand up and speak out against
it and say we should unite around the American flag.
We can use this to bring people together, to inspire
people through these challenging times. And for that, they attacked
(50:51):
me and tried to cancel me, and I refused to
bend the knee.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Well, it's super brave and I'm glad you're telling that
story to the extent this audience hasn't heard it. We're
talking to former US Senator Greater Georgia chairwoman Kelly Leffler.
All right, tonight, Kaitlin Clark is coming to Atlanta. Why
do you think the WNBA has tripped all over itself?
In the way that they have responded to Caitlin Clark.
(51:18):
What is the story here? And certainly I think, but
I'm curious what your opinion is. Is it about something
other than basketball itself?
Speaker 6 (51:27):
Well, it shouldn't be. The story is Caitlin Clark can
save the WNBA if the WNBA can get politics out
of the way. But they can't because they won't let it.
You know, if you look at what Caitlyn Clark has
done in terms of bringing attention a spotlight viewership record
viewership was just hit last week with three million people
(51:47):
watching the sky Fever game. Arenas are selling out when
she plays there. Nike has given her a something like
twenty eight million dollar contract, and she's a great player.
She's all about basketball, but she's not about the leftist
political ideology that the league wants everyone to bow down to.
And so they're you know, seeing the challenges of that
(52:08):
where players are lashing out against Caitlyn. Caitlyn is rising
above it. She's playing through it. She's one of the
fiercest competitors out there. She can take the physicality, she
can take the toughness. We've even had to have a
congressman from Indiana write a letter to the league that says,
wait a minute, you know, it feels like there's a
player that's being treated differently. Meanwhile all the other players
(52:29):
are saying, well, she gets special whistles, and I just say, Okay.
That's when you know they actually don't have an answer
for her skill level, because if you're blaming it on
the refs, she has a record. You can look at
her stats right now. She's one of the top players
in the league. She's certainly the best rookie in the league,
and she's been overtly left off of the Olympic roster.
(52:50):
So look, she still has a chance to save the league.
The league can recover from this if they embrace her
and elevate her just like every other player. But we
haven't seen that happening yet.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
You've been a really successful entrepreneur in your career. I'm
curious how you would assess this because sometimes it seems
to me that people would rather be part of a
small company or entity that they have control over than
build something truly massive. And you mentioned Jordan in the
Last Dance and going to watch him play fifty dollars
(53:21):
tickets in Chicago. To me, that's a perfect example, Jordan
and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson came into the league
and they changed it forever and made people care about
the NBA that might not have before. We just saw
one more recently in the late nineties, Tiger Woods came
into the PGA and brought a brand new audience and
took the PGA to a different level than golf had
(53:43):
ever been before. Why do you think the WNBA, which
you know better than anybody, has been begging and starved
for attention and trying to make people care about their sport,
has been given this Tiger Woods like gift and tripped
all over it.
Speaker 6 (54:00):
Well, and let me even add one more example, and
I've had a commissioner with it. A conversation with NBA
Commissioner Adam Silver about this his vision for the WNBA.
Look at what Venus and Serena Williams did for tennis,
the audiences they brought in, they banded that sport that
could have been tremendous. The fact is Caitlin Clark does
not fit the mold that they want in the WNBA.
(54:22):
She doesn't bring the inter sectional qualities that they think
are required to put on a pedestal. And they want
to make sure that they preserve this left wing ideology,
and if you don't buy into it and you don't
promote it, then you can't be promoted on their platform.
And that's just really tragic for the league and for
the valuations of the teams. I think, you know, if
(54:43):
that's going to hold them back, it's a shame because
here we have a talented player that's potentially influencing thousands
of other young girls who want to be part of athletics.
Maybe not basketball, maybe it's tennis or golf, but they
want to see that there's a chance for them to succeed.
And yet we have WNBA players going down the road
of advocating to allow men in sports. They're writing op
(55:06):
ed after op ed about it, and this is where
the league stands right now, and it's not heading in
the right direction given the platform they've been offered.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Would you have ever believed you said you grew up
playing sports. I know a lot of people out there
listening did as well. Would you ever believe that we'd
find a place where a woman like Dawn Staley, who
is probably right now the most prominent women's coach in
all of college I think that's fair to say, would
be saying, hey, if you're a man who identifies as
a woman, you should be able to come and get
a women's scholarship and compete in women's basketball. Like twenty
(55:38):
years ago, would you have believed this would have ever
been possible.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
I can't believe it today, Certainly not twenty years ago.
In fact, before she passed, I had the opportunity to
meet the late great Pat Summit, whot so hard, amazing woman,
and fought so hard to have women have the same opportunity.
Now they're virtually trying to hand it to men on
(56:03):
the silver platter. And you know, while the American team
USA is going for their eighth consecutive Olympic gold medal,
who knows the ninth one may not be possible because
there may be a man playing on Team Spain or
you know whatever. So you know, it's one of those
things that it's you can't believe it, and you hope
that we can get back to normal. But I was
the first senator in the history of the United States
(56:25):
to introduce protecting women in girls' sports language in the Senate.
I could only get a few other Republican senators on
that bill with me, and it didn't even get brought
to the floor, and I was criticized for it being
divisive because everyone said, we don't need a bill to
do that. Well, four years later, we should have had
that bill because too many girls are getting excluded, too
(56:46):
many boys are in girls' locker rooms, and now states
are trying to codify and the federal government through Title
nine rollbacks, trying to codify allowing men in women's sports
and in men's women's locker rooms, and it's not fair
to young girls.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
It's absolutely crazy. Kelly Leffler.
Speaker 1 (57:04):
I just came back from Atlanta with my kids, went
and watched the Atlanta Braves play absolutely amazing time.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Georgia needs to go back red. How can people help.
Speaker 1 (57:15):
If they're listening to you right now and they're around
and they're listening, they're in Georgia or they're around the
country and they want to help what you're doing.
Speaker 6 (57:22):
Well, First of all, if you're in Georgia, go to
Greater Georgia dot com sign up to get involved and
we'll get you involved right away. Also, if you're around
the country, contact your local GOP chactor, Young Republicans, College
Republicans reach out and get involved in something, because when
we look at the polls, we can see things are
going in the right direction. But you have to ask
(57:45):
yourself what am I doing to make sure that we
stay there? And it's not just enough to say I'm
going to vote. You have to do a little bit more.
Talk to your friends and family. Don't get canceled about
being conservative and be proud. Get out and talk to
your family and friends as much as you can about
getting involved.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
Kelly, look forward to seeing you again soon. Appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (58:06):
Thanks, Claig. I gat to see you go.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
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