Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 7 2024

Alternate universe. American Dream values. Miranda Devine weighs in on Walz. Sean Parnell, combat vet, on real service.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay
Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Ninety one days. That's what
they were saying, at least Clay on morning Joe, as
I was drinking my Crocket coffee because I do have
my Crocket here this morning, they were telling me that,
and they were doing everything they could to puff up

(00:20):
the sense of historic conquest that they are telling the
Democrats they're going to have here with this victory insight
Kamala Harris, Tim Walls not to be confused with Waltz.
Thank you to our Minnesota listeners. We realize Walls and

(00:41):
we're living in an alternate universe now, but that doesn't
mean that we could ignore the people who have created
this alternate universe. We have to defeat the madness. We'll
break this down. I think that the overwhelming sense on
the conservative side of things right now is what we
were saying yesterday. I mean, I really, Clay, you know
all morning it's prepped for our show, and then sometimes

(01:04):
I can see what some of the sentiments are from
some of our friends and colleagues on the right afterwards,
and I did not see a single person still who
thinks that This is a smart pick, but I want
to break it down. I want us today to get
into the policy differences, the record and make sure that

(01:26):
we all have clarity on exactly who, not just Tim
Walls is, but also what this Kamala Harris Walls ticket
is really all about. I mean, this is the most
left wing and it is not an exaggeration. It is
not some you know, talk radio talking point. It is

(01:47):
the truth that this is the most left wing Democrat
ticket certainly in our lifetime. And I think you'd have
to go back to what Eugene Debs running as a
straight up socialist maybe, and even back then the socialists
were a little bit less crazy than the than the
left wing Democrats are now. But here we go. Let's
give you some examples of what we're talking about here
with Walls, they are presenting him Clay as a cuddly

(02:11):
coach and veteran who wears you know, lumberjack shirts and
goes hunting, and he's a different kind of Democrat, And
we're here to just remind every it's all afront, all
a facade, what he looks like, how he dresses, if
he chooses to go hunting on the weekends, or not
does not matter. What matters is what does this guy

(02:37):
stand for? What does he do with the power that
he has been given by the people of Minnesota in
previous elections. The answer is he is a pro trans lunacy,
far left wing pro BLM, burning down neighborhoods in the
biggest city in his state. Radical. That's what he actually

(02:59):
stands for. He is the guy who set up a
COVID snitch hotline. Oh, somebody got out of their house
to go play basketball. They're a risk. Let's lock them up,
or let's give them a fine. Call your police officers.
It was nuts here he is Clay. I mean, there's
so much here to go after. Here he is saying

(03:20):
that this is where he's doing the whole folks. See
the folks, see dance for everybody. Oh, I'm just such
a good old guy. You can trust me. I'm a
Midwestern guy just like you. Oh, come on, this is
cut four. Listen to this. Some of us are old
enough to remember.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
When it was Republicans who were talking about freedom. It
turns out now what they meant was the government should
be free to invade your doctor's office.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
In Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
We respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make,
even if we wouldn't make the same choice for our
there's a golden rule.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Mind your own damn business.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's not the golden rule. But put that aside for
a second. The guy who set up the COVID snitch
hot line for people who wanted fresh air is presenting
himself as the for choice and for freedom guy Clay.
It's just all a lie. It's all a facade.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
It's a total lie.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
And again, I think that is really important that he's
trying to pretend that he's for freedom while he's supporting
a candidate that wanted to mandate that everyone have to
get the COVID shot, even though we know the COVID
shot is effectively worthless. Right, I think even left wingers
now are who got five and six and seven and

(04:46):
eight of those COVID shots are like, yeah, it's basically
at best kind of a tie and all for COVID
and it hasn't really altered the trajectory.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Of the virus at all.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
And meanwhile, these companies have gotten fabulously well healthy. But
to me, what it is buck in many ways is
clarifying about Kamala Kamala is a chameleon. She is trying
to be all things to all people. Right now, we
are sitting at what day seventeen since she became the
nominee effectively, and she still hasn't done an interview, She

(05:20):
hasn't come off a teleprompter, She hasn't even done an
unscripted interaction with real voters in any of these jurisdictions.
They are trying to hide Kamala because they know that
she is a gaff prone machine that is actually pretty
unlikable when she is off the prompter. What is intriguing

(05:41):
to me is it's working so far, and this is
why I get nervous about this process. Thirty days from now,
vote start. So whatever the universe is in Trump VI. Kamala,
the snapshot of that universe is continuing every day. And

(06:03):
what I'm saying there is we don't have an election
day anymore. We have an election season. So if you're
popular after Labor Day, that gets locked in, that snapshot
of that day gets locked in with millions of voters
all throughout the next ninety days. And so my concern is,

(06:23):
you gotta knock Kamala off that prompter. And I don't
think there's anybody in media that's actually going to argue
that she needs to do it, and they're going to
try to hide her. That's the entire campaign.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now, will she debate or not is certainly a question
in all this. I can see Democrats. Remember I thought
Biden wouldn't debate, and let me be clear, he shouldn't
have debated. Had he not debated, he would be the
nominee and I would be picking out an overpriced piece
of meat that Clay would be buying for me at
a fancy establishment instead of the other way around. Joe

(06:58):
should not have debated. That was a huge obvious error.
Now should Kamala debate? I think it's different for her Clay,
because first of all, she's been calling out Trump for
not debating her right, so it will look bad to
there's what's right and there's what perception will be. It's
clearly absurd for her to call Trump out and then

(07:20):
walk away from a debate herself. But I also think
that this is where what's right and perception line up.
People would say, come on, that's wimpy. You don't get
to play this game where you call out somebody and
say I want to debate you and then they say okay,
let's do it, and you go, oh, actually, I don't
so I think she would run a risk there. I
do know that they're going to do everything possible to
keep this as stage crafted and managed as tightly as

(07:44):
they can. You know, they've got David Pluff, who is
a senior Obama campaign guy now, who's like top advisor
for the Kamala campaign. Some of the Obama you know,
top echelon have all jumped in now to get involved
with So they're they're throwing a lot of heavyweight behind this.

(08:04):
She's raised more money in one month than I think
any person ever. But it's not really a fair comparison
because it's like she started a new campaign with two
months to go. Like, you're gonna have to condense all
that money. Everyone knows that, right, I mean, you're you're
just condensing, you know, Isn't it like like Nascar is
once a week, so Nascar ratings versus Baseball ratings. Baseball
is like every five seconds, right, So it's yes, not

(08:25):
fair to compare one to one on the ratings. See
I just did sports now, Klay's proud, You're you're concerned
here's why I'm less concerned, or or I would even
say I'm I'm not concerned. I think Trump's gonna win.
Here's why. I think Kamala is at her absolute peak
right about this week into next week. I think this

(08:47):
is the highest she's ever gonna go. I think there
is nowhere to go but down and being within the
margin of error for a Democrat candidate who has the
whole machine behind her. I don't think it's gonna cut it.
That's my that's my rosie sine. But that's what I believe.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
I think that they're going to do one debate. I
think that it'll be a fairly standard presidential debate, by
which I mean both sides come out saying our side one.
It's like a boxing match where both guys raise their
hands above the end of the air afterwards, and then

(09:24):
you know, the judges at MSNBC are going to talk
about how amazing Kamala was, the judges at Fox News
are going to talk about how good Trump was. And
it's in that sixty forty realm where it's hard to
really argue that you got to knock out or that
it massively impacts.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
The direction of the race. One way or the other.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
That's my expectation on what a debate between the two
would be like and so and then I think they
go back to claiming victory putting Kamala on a teleprompter.
My concern, this is my big concern structurally for the race.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Trump is doing media everywhere. He called into Fox and
Friends this morning. I think he took calls from random
people on Fox and Friends asking him questions, which, by
the way, he's asked about doing on this show before,
and maybe we'll do at some point. I think that
explains and demonstrates his facility and talent to be on

(10:21):
his feet responding to real voter questions. The problem is,
whenever he colors a little bit outside the line, the
media reacts as if it is an astounding statement that
he has made, and we get a ton of coverage
from people saying, oh, look, Trump is a malignant dictator

(10:42):
all over again. Meanwhile, Kamala just reads off a teleprompter,
doesn't say anything. They're not playing the same style game.
And my concern is that the Kamala hider in the
basement campaign that they perfected using COVID as an excuse
in twenty twenty and that on some level they used

(11:03):
for Fetterman in twenty twenty two is the road map,
and that might be enough to get her across the
finish line.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Here's here's my what what keeps me from falling down
into the pit of Clay's despair? Over here? Okay, here's
what I've Here's what I've got in the back of
my mind. Joe Biden for all of his faults, all
of his flaws, all his shortcomings, which we discussed in
detail on this show, for every year and every day

(11:31):
of his presidency, apart from the sanility issue entirely we
discussed you know that he's he's really kind of fake,
and he's you know, he's actually not a nice guy,
and there's all these things he says anything and fine.
He's the he's really the prototypical politician. When you think
of a politician in a negative context, you know, it's
like if you think of an ambulance chasing lawyer, you

(11:52):
think of like better call Saul, or somebody who just
will do anything and you know, desperate to get that
next client and to lie and have them wear the
next in court. Biden's like the quintessential slimy politician. However,
his whole story of being Scranton Joe, riding the chu
Chuo with his lunch pale, loving the union folks, and

(12:15):
being one of the union guys that resonated enough in
some parts of Pennsylvania, some parts of Michigan, some parts
of Wisconsin that he did better than expected in twenty
twenty with the white working class voters. Okay, with those
white working class voters. I cannot see a world in

(12:37):
which those voters, and I bet we have some listening
to us who maybe went Trump, then Biden and now
are thinking what am I going to do? I do
not see Kamala Harris winning them, and therefore I do
not see how she has a She obviously has a path,
but I do not see her winning Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
I do not see it happening based on that one demographic.

(12:58):
I know, there's women, and there's all these other there's
the minority vote, there's all these things we can talk about.
I think that Kamala is weak on the white working
class vote. And I think that I mean non college
educated another way of saying, really the same, that's the demographic, right,
non college educated white guys with jobs and a lot
a lot of them listen right now on are part

(13:19):
of our audience. I don't think they apart from the
super solid conservatives. I'm talking about the ones who are independence,
I don't think that they see Kamala Harris and want
to cast a vote for And I don't think Walls
changes this. Does that make me.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Feel a little better.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Walls is a bad pick that made me feel better yesterday.
The concern that I have is I don't know that
Kamala is ever going to actually answer questions from anyone,
and as a result, I don't know what the major
potholes are for her. Like I don't think Trump benefited

(13:56):
from doing the NABJ. I think that that substantially hurt
his campaign. But Kamala didn't do the NABJ, and she
benefited from what Trump's doing that she's unwilling to do again.
They're playing by a different set of rules and that's
my concern. And I'm gonna tell you on ninety days,

(14:18):
I agree with you absolutely on the NABJ. The Black
Americans who are going to vote for Trump are already
going to vote for Trump. He shouldn't waste his time
chasing more black votes between now and the election as
a concerted effort. There are some great Americans who are
black are going to vote for Trump, and that's fantastic
and hopefully I'm not saying maybe the numbers even bigger

(14:39):
than has been the past. I'm just saying he's not
winning any of that. He's not winning any substantial percentage
of the Black vote between now an election day. He's
getting the percentage of the black vote in ninety days
that he was going to get yesterday.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
You know what I mean. Yeah, that's not a worthwhile
endeavor for him. He should be doing the Trump thing,
going after white working class voters in the swing states,
buying them big max, giving them high fives, talking about
how he's going to be tough on China, talking about
how he's going to have a booming economy that helps
them afford their groceries, that helps them pay their rent

(15:14):
or their mortgage, and helps them maybe save up and
buy that business of their own that they get to run,
whatever it may be. You know what I mean, that's
if I'm Trump. That's Oh, and talk about immigration a lot.
I mean, I totally agree with you on the top
three topics. Top three issues crime over and over again.
But he should be going to tell guys who you know,

(15:35):
a lot of the time make a living with a
hard hat on, or you know, we got the truckers, welders, plumbers.
He needs to be telling them in the Swing States,
I'm your guy, because he is their guy. Walls is
a phony and we're going to talk more about that
here in just a second. Look, you're gonna hear Kamala
Harris use words like women's reproductive rights a lot in

(15:56):
this campaign. She said it, she says it all the time. Actually,
and what you won't hear are her talking about the
rights of babies that are unborn. That's not going to happen.
So we know what the Democrat Party stands for. We
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Speaker 4 (17:57):
JD.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Vans signed up to serve his country as a marine,
served overseas, busted his ass, did not leave his fellow
soldiers behind. You just heard Buck talk about what he
was told as a CIA agent when it came to

(18:19):
are you or are you not going to go to Iraq?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I am saying officer agent. We always say officer. I'm sorry,
I have to officer CIA officer, not agent. I can't
speak to this because I haven't served. So there are
some objects and some details like I can't tell you
exactly how I would think. Sean Parnell is going to
come and speak about this at the top of the

(18:45):
next hour. But jad Vansbuck just now earlier this morning
in Detroit because they attacked him yesterday at their rally
where they introduced Walls Kamala in uh and Walls in Philadelphia.
Awkward for Josh Shapiro, by the way I watched his speech,
he really expected that to be his coronation. Interestingly, all

(19:09):
is not well inside of the Pennsylvania Democrat Party because
there is talk that John Fetterman specifically said you can't
pick Shapiro And did you see the footage of Fetterman
refusing to stand while Shapiro spoke while everybody else around
him was standing watching the speech.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Did you see that picture?

Speaker 5 (19:30):
And there's a little bit of drama inside of the
Pennsylvania Democrat Party just based on that relationship. Fetterman and
Shapiro don't like each other, and I don't think this
is like kind of a petty school yard feud. They
seem to genuinely dislike each other. Evidently, they both served
on the board that considers whether or not you should

(19:52):
get paroles, and Fetterman and Shapiro feuded a lot on
that board and genuinely don't like each other.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
But they attacked jd. Vance.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
They continue to call him weird. That is where the
attack came from with Tim Walls, and we just laid
out a lot of reasons. I think Tim Walls is
actually weird. But I think many of you out there
probably feel that most politicians are weird. It's kind of
a weird way to make a living compared to what
most of us do for a living. So I'm not
sure of all the professions out there that politics politicians

(20:25):
yelling back and forth, you're weird, No, you're weird. I
think a lot of you find most politicians to be weird. Buck,
I would say on the weirdness scale, politicians rate highly.
Would you agree with that based in general?

Speaker 7 (20:37):
For sure?

Speaker 5 (20:39):
But jd Vance specifically talked about Tim Walls declining, refusing
to go to Iraq when his guard unit was called up.
And here's what jd Vance had to say about that
issue this morning in Detroit, Michigan, in his address to

(21:01):
the surrounding community there.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Listen to this.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
Well, I wondered, Tim Waltz, when were you ever in war?
What was this weapon that you carried into war? Given
that you abandoned your unit right before they went to
Iraq and he has not spent a day in.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
A combat zone.

Speaker 8 (21:13):
What bothers me about Tim Waltz is the stolen valor garbage.
Do not pretend to be something that you're not. And
if you want to criticize me for getting an Ivy
League education. I'm proud of the fact that my mamm
all supported me, that I was able to make something
of myself. I'd be ashamed if I was him and
I lied about my military service like he did.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Okay, so Buck, we know that in the past this
has been a big issue. In the two thousand and
four campaign, Chris los Savita, who is one of the
campaign advisors for Donald Trump, attacked John Carey's service in
Vietnam aggressively, and that was a big part of John
Carey's argument for why he should be the nominee was

(21:52):
his past military service in Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
The Swift voting correct.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
He swift voted the John Kerrey story, and I remember
the details of that better than I do from twenty
years ago. But it seems to me that Walls and
while they're bragging about his military service, many people who
actually served and went into combat zones find his decision
to bail on his unit right when they were being

(22:18):
sent overseas as a sergeant, which again I think we'll
ask Parnell about this is more significant than it would
have been if he had been somewhere else enlisted. Jesse
Kelly has been firing off. I've seen him our buddy
obviously marine talking about this. In his experience, this could
turn into a big story.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, well, it's also made it's made an issue by
the fact that Walls is holding up his service as
a veteran correct as a reason why you should vote
for him. So essentially, the value proposition that he offers
to the American people is I serve my country, guy,

(23:01):
and I was willing to make the you know, to
do the tough things when it counted. That's that's kind
of a general view of it, right, Yes, except if
you were somebody who really wanted to serve and you
got the opportunity to go with the unit that you
had been overseeing and training with for a long time
as a non commissioned officer, and then you know it's

(23:23):
time for unit to go, and you say, I'm out. Really,
you know, I don't know. I guess. On the CIA side,
a lot of the people that I got to spend
time around on the military side, and and some of
whom were working very closely with or working as part
of the CIA, were guys who were just true war
fighters and were on you know, deployment number eight and

(23:45):
they just had seen everything and done everything, and and
I think a lot of them were just incredibly humble
about it. On that was just the expectation. They're very
humble about their service. Walls is kind of like, well,
I'm a badass. I as a veteran, but when it
came time to go over there and look, I understand
people can say that some veterans get very uncomfortable with

(24:07):
parsing what counts as service, right, And this is even
tough for people that are CIA, that are State department,
that are you know, d I A, that are civilians.
It's like, well, you know, what do you do? As
I said, there's there's did you did you try to
work for the benefit of your country. That's a form
of service. So Walls did a lot of paperwork and
push you know, some push ups and drilling, uh, and
went to some bases where you know he was never

(24:30):
in any any risk. Right, there's going to a war zone.
I know people can say, well, if you didn't see combat,
I know people who got blown up by mortars walking
to the bathroom on these bases in a rock like
that would happen. So it's not oh, you weren't a
door kicker. You're not a seal, you're not Delta, or
you're not an army ranger or you know whatever, you're
not a marine. You know, so you didn't serve. That's

(24:52):
not true. You know, it's part of there. It's one team,
one fight there. And again I'm speaking through the prison
and we'll talk to Sean here a minute of somebody
who talked to a lot of veterans in the war
zones about this. But this was the attitude that I
that I would I would hear from them, which is
if we're willing to show up and help, you know,
logistics matter, like thank you for making sure the ammunition
and the food is getting to the soldiers on the
front lines, if you're at one of the big bases.

(25:13):
Like so you're playing a role, you're playing a part.
And then there's combat. Combat is people trying to kill you.
You're trying to kill them all right, like they did.
But like those are the tiers walls did the did
you know it was tier one? It was you know,
he he was helpful to the machinery of the military
for a period of time. But the fact that it's
not that he didn't serve and he just missed it.

(25:36):
Like I know people that you know, they say, that's
what I was going to point out, like you don't
control when you might get shipped up, exact could have
finished his entire tenure, and that just never happened for him, right,
But then push came to show that he actually was
potentially going to face real danger. He decided that he
wasn't willing to go. And then you brag about your service.

(25:56):
But that is out there that seems significant to me.
And also there's something else that really really has been
bothering me. And I guess it's because, I mean, I
have a dad who came from a very humble background
and had to just totally bootstrap it and you know,
no affirmative action for him. Nobody uh you know, had

(26:17):
to get was on scholarship in high school, was on scholarship,
you know, Clay, I know you got a scholarship in college.
My dad, I got a scholarship to high school. That's
whole other thing. He was on a full scholarship in
high school. We got a scholarship to go to college,
had to you know, was waiting tables on his fellow
students to try to make money and all this sort
of stuff. And I feel like we used to really
respect that in this country, and now we don't respect it.

(26:38):
If it's a white guy, that's what's really happened. If
you're a white guy who works his way up and
gets to an Ivy League school, somehow you're like part
of the elites and you're part of the problem. Well,
hold on a second, why is this not the great
American story? By the way, I believe that it's a
great story, you know, for anybody who earns it and

(26:58):
works hard and goes to an a lead institution. Now,
I do have problems with people who are legacies, people
who wouldn't have gotten in if they didn't have a
certain skin color. I do think that's wrong.

Speaker 5 (27:08):
Or if you weren't super rich, that's the reason you
got in legacy admissions or affirmative action, I think they're But.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
What you're hitting is that.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Vance, Yes, the meritocracy should be embraced across all of America.
That is, if you lift yourself up from a stature
with which you did not begin. It used to be
something that we all as Americans would embrace.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
The idea that you would attack JD.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Vance, who went to Ohio State on the gi Bill
who grew up in levels of poverty frankly that most
Americans do not, and that he was able to elevate
himself and go to Yell Law School is to me
a tremendous accomplishment of his. And by the way, I
would say the same thing. Ron de Santis went to
I believe, Harvard Law School, right, Yes, very middle class

(28:01):
beginnings in Florida.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
I went to Vanderbilt Law School.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Nobody in my grandfather had an eighth grade education, Like
I feel incredibly fortunate that I was able to do that.
That should but we want everybody, right, if you're listening
to us right now, and you have kids, and you
worked in a factory as my family did, and your
kid or your grandkid gets an opportunity to achieve something
that you didn't have the opportunity for, that is the

(28:25):
foundation of the American dream. We all want our kids
to be better off than we were.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I think that you know the difference between the the
in the in rough outline between Walls's story and Jade
Vance's story is Jadie Vance is more academically gifted and
was able to go to more elite institutions as a
result of his hard work. But that's it. I mean,
there's no he didn't have some advantage. In fact, he
probably had a more disadvantaged upbringing. But I think it's

(28:51):
a bigger thing, a broader thing, and we really have
to put an end to this of Oh, if you're
some poor white kid from anywhere in the country, but
you know, particularly like a roughs belt state, you know, Kentucky, Tennessee,
anywhere in Appalachia, a rough part of Ohio, or a
poor town in Michigan or Wisconsin, whatever, if you're from

(29:12):
any of these places, you're a white kid, and you
just bust your ass and.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
You do you know, you do well. You know you
do it the way you want to do it. You
do well whatever that means.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Maybe it means, you know, you start your own contracting
business and you know you have a happy one. Maybe
it means you go to a ye law school. That
that's not impressive. Yeah, is a slap in the face
that that somehow isn't something to be celebrated. Is you
know why because of all of your white privilege. I
guarantee you if you looked at a lot of the
white guys who grew up around JD. Vance in similar circumstances.

(29:42):
None of them went to yea law school. They certainly
aren't vice you know, vice presidential contender right now?

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You had to know a lot of a lot of
those A lot of those kids are dead because I
mean sadly because of the amount of drugs and alcohol
that have have filed into that area. Look, the Republicans
have to always be the party of meritocracy. And if

(30:07):
you are the best at what you do, you should
be able to make as much money as possible. You
should be able to found a business.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
You should.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
I just the idea that you would attack jav Vance
because you don't think he's accomplished enough is just bonker
Land crazy to me.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
He's forty and.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
He's got three kids, seems to have a good marriage,
graduated from an elite law school, has had success in business,
and now is potentially going to be the next vice
president of the United States.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
If he's not a success, who is wrote probably the
best selling American.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Men, Ore of It.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Not even mentioned a matter yet so far they made
a movie about his life. I mean, if that's not
the meritocracy in the American dream.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
What is a guy who wrote writes an autobiography called
Hillbilly Elegy, which is a runaway bestseller because of its authenticity.
Is being attacked by Democrats for being a fancy elite.
Now you know, was Abraham Lincoln a fan?

Speaker 8 (31:00):
And see a lead?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean, I'm not saying Jade Vance's Abraham Lincoln, but
you know he became president. Brilliant guy, very humble beginnings.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, Like, do you.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
See what I'm saying that us missed to be?

Speaker 5 (31:11):
The American dream was Andrew Jackson, Like you could rise
from nothing to become the president. Look, I mean that's
the story of Barack Obama.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
That's a story of Bill Clinton. Democrats used to embrace it.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
And I'll say this, if Kamala Harris was impressive given
her demographic profile academically or intellectually, she would have gone
to better schools full stop.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yeah, this is the truth.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's the truth. I mean people can think it, Oh,
how dare you? Where'd you go to law school? She's
a black female. If you look at the actual data
on what it would take for her to get in
DL law school versus jad Vance. By the way, this
is now public record. This is the Supreme Court. They
have weighed in on this. There's no more like, oh,
we're not allowed to talk about that. These are facts.
She's not impressive.

Speaker 9 (31:54):
She failed.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Impressive about her.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
She failed the bar exam. She for the first time.
She took it. Buck.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Everybody I know in my law school class past the
bar exam the first time they took it. If you
fail the bar exam the first time you take it,
that every boy you're in America will say that raises
the eyebrows because you bust your ass as hard as
you possibly can to go to law school, and if
you fail it, it says something about you. I'm sorry
it does.

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She failed. When someone says.

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Speaker 5 (34:06):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. The woman
who should have many different Pulitzers. Maybe they should just
rename it after her for everything she wrote about Hunter, Biden,
the laptop and more. Miranda Devine New York Post joins us. Now, Miranda,
things have changed on the show since you last came on.
Buck Is convinced there's no way don thank you for

(34:27):
coming on. Buck Is convinced there's no way Trump can
possibly lose. I am terrified that Kamala might win. Where
do you put yourself on this equation right now as
we sit right at three months away from election day.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Look, I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
I don't think there's any guarantee that Trump's going to win,
even though you would think with these two very radical
left and very unimpressive and quite frightening candidates for the Democrats,
he should win in a canta. But yeah, you know
it's going to come down again to those battleground states

(35:04):
that are controlled by Democrats, and we know that they
are implacably opposed to having election security election.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
You know, any voter.

Speaker 10 (35:14):
ID, why is that? Why are they registering illegal aliens?
There's all sorts of dirty tricks.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Branda. It's it seems like there's been a move from JD.
Vance to finally respond and turn the tables a bit
on all the critics that he has, including and I
know you've noted this publicly the way that he's pointing
out Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
On the one hand, JD.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Vance is being attacked by the media from every which direction,
including I don't want to repeat it, but everyone knows
what I'm talking about. This Absolutely, there's just a fabrication,
a lie that even Tim Waltz made reference to last
night that it's like it's like a mean joke that
somebody put on the Internet that they now try to
slam under Jady Vans with. It's bizarre, but they're desperate. Meanwhile,

(36:04):
JD is pointing out to Kamala Harris isn't even really
running a campaign. She's just been picked and they're just
telling you vote for Kamala. The rest of the media
is carrying all the water, doing all the work.

Speaker 10 (36:16):
Yes, and look today, as JD Vance keeps on pointing out,
will be the eighteenth day since Kamala Harris was installed
in place of Joe Biden, and she has not given
a single press conference or kind of unscripted remarks outside
the teleprompter, apart from that ridiculous word salad that she

(36:37):
gave on the tarmac the other day when.

Speaker 7 (36:39):
The hostages came home.

Speaker 10 (36:41):
No wonder they don't let her out from behind a teleprompter.
And you know, her poll numbers, her popularity has gone up.
She's now beating Trump for doing absolutely nothing but just
a very clever kind of TikTok online campaign to make
her look cool and joyful and vigorous. And they're so relieved,

(37:04):
the Democrats, that they haven't got a walking Kidava in
an office that I guess that they're full of the
irrational exuberance which I assume will pease her out after
their convention.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Miranda, here's my concern.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
I thought when Joe Biden got elected in twenty and
they basically buried him in the basement, that they would
have to acknowledge that COVID wasn't that COVID was the
reason they could do that. But there doesn't seem to
be any mechanism that is going to require Kamala to
ever come off the teleprompter at all. Maybe one debate,

(37:42):
which my concern is both sides will raise their gloves
after the debate like a boxing match, and go back
to their corners and say that they won. I think
it's gonna be hard for Trump to knock Kamala out
like he knocked Biden out, because she's not a corpse
basically right, So what mechanism is there to require? And
we know it's a compliant press, but Lester Holt, for

(38:05):
God's sakes, devoured Kamala is such an extent that she
didn't do a sit down interview for another year. I
just think Democrats are gonna say, hey, we're too busy,
we're campaigning. She's reading off the teleprompter. I'm not sure
they're ever going to require her to do anything. Meanwhile,
Trump is out there doing every media outlet under the sun,
pro and con. And yet every time he says something

(38:28):
that's a little bit outside the color lines, they grab
him and try to drag him around. And there's no
same standard being applied to Kamala at all. This seems
like the new rig job that's in effect. This is
what I see.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Am I missing it? Or do you see it too?

Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (38:42):
Look I see it that way too. You know, when
the Democrats control all the kind of narratives forming institutions
in the country, and that's you know, the media they're
almost fully in control of, including social media pup from
the one bright spot of x thanks to wing on Musku,

(39:03):
they're trying to destroy and you know Hollywood academia. There's
a documentary I was just told about that Kevin Morris
Hunter Biden's Sugar Brothers created that's coming out just before
the election at the Toronto Film Festival, which is eulogizing
Adam Kingsinger as the valiant, noble last Republican. So that's

(39:25):
the kind of sort of narrative machine that the Republicans
and Trump are up against. Now. The thing that's good
about Trump is that he's such a showman that he
does manage to sort of get around that mythmaking machine
because he is his own myth and people are fascinated
by him, and you know, he's doing some unorthodox things

(39:48):
going on big sort of use live streams and getting
a lot of cued offs for that. And I think
that as the sort of dinosaur media lose their power
and influence because they've been so dishonest that they're sort
of attacks on Trump and they're eulogizing of Kamala Harris,

(40:10):
I think does have a limit.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Speaking of Miranda Devine of The New York Post and
also the author of the excellent Laptop from Hell. So
now that we know Miranda switching a little bit of
gears here. Now that we know that Joe Biden is
not going to be the guy, very very sad for
those of us who thought he'd make it all the
way through. When do you think the pardon that he

(40:33):
said would never happen for Hunter happens. Do you have
a take on when Joe's I would not pardon my son,
I'm actually going to pardon my son.

Speaker 10 (40:44):
I think it will be at the very last minute,
so that they can just ring every last drop of
you know, freebes and trips on Air Force one and
holidays in Camp David, et cetera out.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Of the presidency.

Speaker 10 (40:58):
And remember Hunter has next months, he's quite important. It'll
be long tax trial in California. And that was the
trial that was going to be a big problem for
Joe Biden because it brings in.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
All the Barisma money, Ukraine, China, etc.

Speaker 10 (41:17):
And so I think the Democrats dodged a bullet in
that case. And perhaps that's factor into their thinking because
Hunter is in no mood to take a plea, and
it looks like the prosecutors are quite keen to bring
in thorough violations, so that would be very interesting. And
I think they'll just wait and see if he gets.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
A conviction and then pardon him at the end of it.
But you know he's going to get a pardon.

Speaker 10 (41:44):
He was so sanguine about the guilty verdict from the
jury in Delaware over his gun felony that well, everyone
around him was very upset. He was just very calm,
cool and collected about it.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Because he knows that there are no consequences for him,
like they never have been.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Miranda, you meant since we went to Biden, I love
that you will share the president's schedule on a regular basis.
I think you just shared that he's taking another four week,
four day weekend headed back to the beach house. What
is actually going on here? Because we may have an
attack coming at any moment from Hesbola and from Iran.

(42:24):
That's why I'm not in Israel right now because they
canceled our flights. Seems like kind of an important time
for the president to be near the situation room. I
know they had him briefing in the situation room recently.
But is this sort of a quiet quitting element of
Biden where it's like he's just pouting over being left

(42:45):
behind and he's not doing anything. I mean, I haven't
even barely seen him. It's like we don't have a
president right now.

Speaker 10 (42:53):
It really is a joke day auf Today the White
House puts out his schedule and it's like the other day.
One thing on his schedule was that he gets the
daily brief.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
Normally that goes to a president in the morning, so
he knows what's going on to the day.

Speaker 10 (43:08):
He was getting it at two fifteen pm. So I mean,
is he getting out of bed at noon that he's
doing nothing? And KJP was buttonholed about that yesterday and
her briefing, and she said, oh, no, you know you're
seeing the president. No, we're not, we're not seeing the president.
He's not anywhere. He's as you say, quiet quitting. And

(43:30):
then going on these four day holidays on the weekend
and he's on holiday the whole time. I mean, maybe
he is pouting. Maybe he's been instructed by the Democrats
to just keep a low profile so he doesn't get
in the way of Kamela's wonderful debut on the international stage.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
But it's you.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
Know, he should he should not be being paid. He
should quit entirely. If he's not capable of running for office,
then he's got to step down because this is very
dangerous and the American people deserve to know who is
making these mammoth decisions. Who decided to send a destroyer
to Israel?

Speaker 7 (44:10):
What is going on?

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Those are very valid questions. What is going on? Who's
in charge? We don't have any idea, Miranda Divine. I'm
glad that you guys are continuing to fight the good
battles at the New York Post. Encourage everybody to follow
you on Twitter slash x and make sure that they're
reading your columns as we do regularly on this program. Miranda,
we appreciate the time.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1 (47:14):
Our Friend Sean Parnell joins. He's a combat veteran New
York Times bestselling author of Outlaw Platoon. He also hosts
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(47:35):
to talk to you again. As always, Buck, it.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Is great to be here.

Speaker 9 (47:39):
Thank you and Clay for having me as well.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
So let's start with the big item today, Sean, that
I think you could really shed some light on. There's
a lot of criticism and it's coming to me as
well as a lot of other people, but coming to
me from veterans specifically, who are saying this guy Walls
wants to tell us all that you know, he served

(48:03):
and we should all kind of bow down to his
veteran status. And it's all great and it's amazing, But
when it came time, after many years being a sergeant
major to go to a rock, he chose not to go.
Can you break this down for us as somebody who
was over there, was in combat and served his country

(48:25):
at that level, what do you make of what we
know about Governor Walls and his service At this point, Bucks,
it's cowardice, plain and simple, and let me give you
a sense of how eighteen year old privates, which, by
the way, very.

Speaker 9 (48:40):
Very different from a command sergeant major. Command sergeant major
is the highest enlisted rank in the United States Military.
Command Sergeants major are the heart and soul of any unit.
They're the door kickers. They teach, they coach, they mentor
they train units. And Walls probably had eight hundred plus
soldiers a minimum beneath him. But my soldiers, my privates

(49:04):
in combat. And again, I was in combat for four
hundred and eighty five days in Afghanistan. Let an infantry
platoon at the height of the hunt for Bin Laden.
I watched my soldiers do extraordinary things in combat because
they were afraid of letting each other down. I watched
my medic, his name is Doc Pantoha, get shot in
the face and then treat twelve casualties without ever once

(49:25):
taking care of himself, three of which would have died
without his help. I watched a kid in my platoon
named Canton Winn gets shot in the head. He was
ebac to Germany developed the blood clot When the docs
tried to send him home, he said, no, keep me
here in Germany because when I heal up, I want
to get back to my soldiers. All of that buck

(49:46):
was because they didn't want to let their brothers down
next to them in the trenches. And keep in mind,
the job that most of these kids had before joining
the United States Military was high school short stop, and
so everything that we do in the military is geared
towards not letting your brothers and sisters down. And that

(50:09):
obligation is far greater if you're a leader, whether you're
a non commissioned officer and enlisted leader in the United
States Military or an officer. You know, when I was
in ranger school, like probably the most difficult school at
the United States leadership school that the Army has to offer.
I mean, it was constantly about starving you, keeping you awake,
you know, marching twenty miles a day, putting you in

(50:32):
very very high pressure leadership situations where they turn to
you and say, make a decision, you know, make a decision,
ranger lead, what are you going to do? And I'll
never forget in combat, trapped in a kill zone with
my radio telephone operator looking at me these big bright
blue eyes and he's you know, we're got surrounded, outmanned,

(50:53):
out gunned, shot shooting at us from all different directions.
He's looking at me and reverberating on my mind or
make a decision, lead right, And so Walls has an
obligation as a command sergeant major, the senior enlisted member
in his battalion, in his unit, to when they get
orders to go to combat, to go to Iraq. It's

(51:16):
his job to lead. It's his job to lead from
the front, to set the example. Run to the sound
of gunfire, not away. But in those critical moments when
all of his soldiers eight hundred plus at a minimum,
by the way, Buck eight hundred plus looking at him,
bright eyed, bushy tailed, and probably a little bit afraid

(51:37):
that they're going into the fray, he tucked tails and
he runs at that critical moment. I mean what like
it basically says to these kids who are going into
Iraq and don't know whether or not they're going to
come home alive. Hey, good luck, hope you survive. I'm
out of here. I'm retiring. It's just it's just gutting Buck.
It's it's hard to describe the level of cowardice that

(52:01):
it takes for a leader in the United States military,
especially one that served for twenty four years. They tried
out this twenty four years thing, like it's something about, oh,
look how long he's served, he should know better after
two years, twenty four years, it's just dereliction of duty
of the highest order, of the highest order.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Sean I Buck and I talked about this because I
saw you tweeting about it as soon as this story started,
and I said, I want to bring on Sean because
I don't even feel that comfortable analyzing it because frankly,
I never served, so a lot of people I think
out there here, oh twenty four years, and they automatically think, hey,
this is a valorous guy. But I think your perspective

(52:42):
is so important. How many people do you think that
have served in combat zones when they hear this about
Tim Walls have the exact same reaction that you do.
In other words, how commonplace do you think your opinion
is among those who have actually put their lives on
the line overseas or elsewhere.

Speaker 9 (53:01):
Everyone, Clay, every single person that served overseas, probably looks
at this decision with disdain because the reality is is
that when you get orders to go to combat, to
go to war regardless of where it is. You sacrifice
a lot to do that, and you know you sacrifice
time with your family. If you have kids, you sacrifice
time with your children. The truth is, nobody wants to go,

(53:25):
but you sattle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty. And you have a duty, an obligation to
the to the man and woman in the trenches next
to you. And if you have if you're a leader,
that obligation is even greater because you know you have
an obligation to lead from the front, to go to
where the fire is heaviest, right to where you can
have the biggest impact on the battlefield. And not only that,

(53:47):
you know that every decision that you make could forever
alter the trajectory of your soldiers, and God forbid, if
you make a bad one, one of them goes home in.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
A body bag.

Speaker 9 (53:58):
And by the way, what I'm talking about I'm not
the exception to this, I'm the rule. This is the
situation that America's sons and daughters in find themselves in,
whether they're an enlisted leader or an officer, when they
raise their right hand and volunteer to serve in the military.
Clay so anyone that has shouldered that awesome responsibility of

(54:19):
leading America's sons and daughters. Nobody wants to go to combat,
but you saddle up and you go anyway because it's
your duty. And for him to talk tail and run
and then try to make the case that he should
be the vice president of the United States a heartbeat
away from the presidency while simultaneously calling Donald Trump and
jd Vance weird, it's just beyond It's just beyond comprehension.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Sean really appreciate that that perspective. We needed to hear
that a lot. You know, we have so many veterans,
we have so many active duty that listen to this show,
and so to bring in somebody who who has really
been out there and understands these decisions, I think it's
just necess perspective. I also want to bring in your
perspective as a native son of Pennsylvania, a Pittsburgh area

(55:07):
guy who has run for Congress and knows the political battlefield,
not you're talking about the battlefield of Afghanistan or Rocky,
but now in the political battlefield quite a bit different.
They didn't go with the governor of your state, Shapiro,
how do you now assess Trump the Kamala in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
Well, first of all, let me just say, as someone
who's run for office twice in Pennsylvania, i gotta tell you,
Clay Buck, I'm very glad that they did not pick
Josh Shapiro because Josh Shapiro fakes a good game, he
fakes being a moderate, and of course we all understand
there's no such thing as a moderate Democrat. But he's
in the most important swing state in the nation. I

(55:53):
contend that Pennsylvania is the swing state because if you
win Pennsylvania Democrat or Republican, it's far more likely that
you win Michigan. It's are more likely that you win Wisconsin.
And so to not pick Josh Shapiro because of the
pro Hamas base pro Hamas base of their party, when
Shapiro has sixty percent favorability and just won an election

(56:13):
here in Pennsylvania just a couple of years ago, I'm
telling you it's a mind blowingly stupid decision. Because vice
presidential candidates, while they don't always carry their home state
and a presidential cycle, oftentimes this is empirically validated. Over time,
they're good for a one point eight percent bump in
their home state, and guess what one point eight percent
in Pennsylvania could make all the difference. So I am

(56:35):
glad that Kamala picked Walls because right now, between Harris
and Walls, we have what I believe to be the
most radical top of the ticket in the history of
our country. And I don't think that's hyperbole, and that's
not going to play well in Pennsylvania, where you have
over one point two million independents that are trying to

(56:57):
assess where they want to go with their lives. And
I think when they go into that election booth clay
Buck and they pull that lever, it's going to be
a very simple calculation for them. What life was like
under Trump, you know, food gas affordable four oh one
k going up, and what life is like under Biden,
and who Kamala Harris is connected to life is a

(57:19):
heck of a lot harder now. And when you're trying
to make the case to independence, you know Blue staters
like somebody from Minnesota like Walls, somebody from California like Harris,
they struggle mightily to talk to those centrists that are
critically important to win. So I think it bodes well
for Trump and JD in Pennsylvania that they've got this

(57:41):
crazy radical Walls on the ticket.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Okay, you're a you're a Philly, you're a Pittsburgh guy.
I got an important question for you to close out
everything you covered. You covered what you seemed to be
Tim Wallas's cowardice. You just broke down how Pennsylvania is
gonna go uh in the election. This is the question
that people in Pittsburgh care about the most. Who's going
to be the quarterback this year? And how's he gonna do?

Speaker 9 (58:09):
You know, I look this, I'll tell you what Russell
Wilson hurting his calf. I mean, there's always a quarterback
controversy in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. But I would tell you this
like I would be remiss to weigh in on that
topic now, because.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Way, hold on, hold on, this is this is amazing.

Speaker 9 (58:29):
You'll give you'll give an opinion on Tim.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Walls's service record, on Kamala Harris's choice of vice president.
Not even blink, just fire, full speed. I ask you
to break down the Steelers quarterback situation. You are a
die hard Steelers fan and you're like, I just.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
I don't know that I can weigh in on. This
is amazing.

Speaker 9 (58:51):
I don't listen, Pittsburgh.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
You combat four and fifty days taking bullets from meers
trying to kill you for over a year year, and
you won't tell me who the quarterback is gonna be.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Look.

Speaker 9 (59:04):
Look, Steelers fans are vicious. Okay, they're passionate. They're the
best traveling fans in football. I'll tell you this. Justin
Field's throwing dimes in training camp. I've been watching very
optimistic about that. He's got some longevity, He's got legs
underneath him, which is good for the Pittsburgh offense. But hey,
Russell Wilson, veteran quarterback, is good under pressure in those

(59:25):
critical moments, especially if you make it to the playoffs.
And I'm hoping fingers crossed that the Steelers make it
to the playoffs, and so you know, we'll see where the.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
Car is.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
The most pressing questions in the world.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Put him on the spot for who's going to be
Steelers quarterback, and he gets.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Right on the fence. This is amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
He's you know, the network trying to ambush him for
eighteen months, Like yeah, but what's the depth chart of
the Pittsburgh Steelers Clay. I don't want to get myself
into too much stress and trouble here.

Speaker 5 (59:57):
So, by the way, Sean, as we go to break,
I told you, I told Buck we got to meet
in person at the event we just did last week.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
You and your wife fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
We're happy to have you as a part of the
podcast network despite your cowardice on picking a Steelers quarterback.
I would encourage everybody out there to go listen to
Sean Parnell's podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
I guarantee you're gonna love it. And we appreciate your
time today.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Thanks. Thanks Buck, Take care guys. Yeah, great to see you, man.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
That is fabulous. Buck.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
There you go, guys, fearless answering every question under the sun.
You ask him who the quarterback of his favorite team
is going to be, and he turns tail. It's a
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