Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 24 2024

Undecided voters. The Haitian story you won't hear about. Miranda Divine on The Big Guy. Vivek Ramaswamy tells us some TRUTHS.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Six weeks from
today is election day. Either you account this day and
it's forty two, or you don't and it is forty one.
Other either way, it is getting very very close. Many

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of you out there every single week adding on to
the ability to.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Get your early vote in.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We encourage all of you to move as expeditiously as
possible to get your votes in, as we've been saying
on this program, because when you vote, it allows lower
propensity voters to be targeted and buck. All of the
data that continues to roll in shows this thing as
being super super close. I'm going to play some cuts

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for you from a variety of different media sources breaking
that down. But this morning there was a poll from
New Mexico which shows Kamala Harris up eight points digits
in New Mexico. If you were listening to us in Albuquerque,
thank you. Biden won New Mexico by eleven states eleven points.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
There are lots of discussion points surrounding North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada,
and Arizona. Those are the seven so called battleground states.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
But I think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Important not to ignore the data that is coming in
from other states. Whether it's Virginia, whether it is New York,
whether it is New Mexico. There are a lot of
states out there that Biden won, many of them by
double digits. Yesterday we talked about Minnesota that are all
showing Trump doing better in those states than he did

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in twenty twenty against Biden, which means if I had
to make a prediction right now, as we sit six
weeks out, I'm very comfortable that Trump is going to
do better than he did in twenty twenty, and that
Kamala is going to do worse than she did than
Biden did. And just using this New Mexico poll as
an example, buck the difference between Biden winning by eleven

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and Kamala winning by eight in New Mexico, if it
were translated nationally, is the difference between Biden winning and
Trump winning a landslide.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
If Trump were able to.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Improve on his twenty twenty overall numbers by three points,
that would flip all of the close states into his
margin of victory, but it would mean that the electoral
college is not even particularly close. So when we're talking
about a fine line margin of error difference, we're not
just talking about who wins. We're talking about how close

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the election could be at all. And while we're paying
a lot of attention to the seven battleground states, I
think it's important to also be recognizing that Trump is
running ahead in some states he may not win, like
New Mexico, like Minnesota. Of the numbers that he posted
in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think it's looking great for Trump. I've been saying
this for months now. I think that he's ahead. It's
his election to lose. But you know, it's still plenty
of time between now an election day that the numbers
as I see them, unless somehow the polling you know,
polling companies that are doing this have dramatically changed their
methodology from the last two elections, which I find highly

(03:27):
unlikely based on the way they've done it before. Trump
should be just fine to get the votes he needs
for a win here in the electoral college. How big
it is, who knows? Will there be a couple of surprises. Obviously,
nobody can predict this stuff with one hundred percent accuracy,
And if you try and you're wrong. You can end
up buying someone a very expensive stake, which then you

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see on your credit card bill and you have a
minor heart attack. But anyway, yes, it is. It is
the case that I think Trump is doing quite well.
And I this is always true, right, how much of
it is the greatness of your team and how much
of it is the weakness of the other team. I
truly believe that Kamala Harris is the worst Democrat nominee.

(04:14):
I mean in my adult lifetime. Certainly, I can't you know,
I'm trying to think back, like to caucus. I mean,
I was a baby, you know, I mean, you know
you were in your thirties. Yeah, but I was a baby.
And sure enough, I feel like even if you were
to look at the caucus against Kamala Harris, I don't
remember anyone saying this guy is completely vapid and empty
and has nothing to say. He was just a what
like a Massachusetts liberal and got smoked. I will say

(04:38):
that this was fun this morning. On first of all,
turn on Morning Joe. I'll tell you not inspiring. They're
not inspiring. The communists over at Morning Joe. Right now,
it's a lot of just the most boring repetition of
like threat to democracy and like world leaders won't respect us.
I find this fascinating, the notion that I give a

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flying anything clay about world leaders won't respect us. First
of all, no world leader that I care about is
going to respect Kamala Erris as president. And no world
leader that I care about if I care about any
of them, really things that Joe Biden is anything other
than a vegetable being, you know, pushed around in a wheelchair.
This is absurd. So that's one part. But there's not

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a lot of inspiration going on. Joe Kernin on CNBC,
so see, I had to bounce around a little bit.
I'll look go over at CNBC where they have, you know,
because they have to deal with money and numbers a
little bit more realistic. I want you to hear when
he talks to surrogate for the campaign for the Kamala campaign,
Chris Coons, He asks me about a rope adope strategy.
Listen to this play ten.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
As she would come on, we could get answers to
a lot of these things. And I'm just wondering, as
a surrogate that advises the campaign there is an effort
to rop adope this thing right to the election.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
In my view and in the.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Other sides, done forty or fifty interviews with JD.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Vance.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think I don't have to take my shoes off
to count on my fingers and nose how many interviews
that she's done, along with with Governor Waltz. And that
looks like a deliberate effort just not to face the
hard questions. We would like to know somebody, we'd like
to see questions asked and answers provided for all these things,

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and we may.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Never get that way, like a forty days left Clay
very fair, right, Yes, there's nothing about that that he's
not even being aggressive or pushing on this. He's just like, hey, man,
can Kamala answer some questions for the American people? Wouldn't
that be nice? This is campaign surrogate Senator Kons talking
about well, you'll listen to it play eleven.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
We just had Vice President Harris say yes, let's do
another presidential debate and Donald Trump say no. And you
have to agree that a nationally televised hour long debate
is one way to answer a lot of direct questions.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So it was just sitting down with an interview with anyone.
You just notice that they can't. They can't. It's indefensible.
Clay is the point they have to pivot to, like, well,
what about the debate that she suddenly said she wants
to do?

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, And look, there is no doubt to me. The
Democrats strategy can be boiled down to two things. One
is hide Kamala scarily. The second is kill Trump because
they you know, we talked about the other day, Buck.
The data has now come out. Thirty percent of Democrats,
according to a recent poll that just came out today,

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actually admitted that they are rooting for Trump.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
To be killed. Didn't I say on the show that
we said them with what? I didn't see that data.
I just said, I'm telling you there's a huge portion
of Democrats who are so dark in their souls they
want Trump to be and they physically harm and they
bought into the idea, the lie that he is hitler.
And so there are a not insubstantial number of people
that every time there is an assassination attempt, they wish

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it would be successful, and so hide Kamala. We don't
know what she believes.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean, I saw I was reading this morning in
Axios Buck, they ask Kamala, who had said previously that
she supported ending prohibitions on prostitution, basically that she was
gonna not make it a crime. Whatever you think libertarians
out there may be saying, Okay, she won't answer whether
she still has that opinion. It's not only that she's

(08:18):
flip flopping frequently, it's that when she's directly asked, okay,
you said in twenty nineteen that you wanted to end
the criminalization of the sex trade, that basically you should
be able to have legal prostitution. Do you still believe it,
she won't answer questions.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's as though Kamala Harris thinks she can plead the
fifth on matters of policy, like she's voting president. She's
not taking a position one way or the other. And
I did flip on Morning Joe today just for to
try to see what the other side is saying, as
I always do. And I took a screenshot of this
clay because I just thought it was so perfect. The

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headline for one of their segments was policy isn't going
to win this election? Say, because what is Kamala's policy
on anything? Really? You're not really sure, and if you
try to push them on it, they say, well, this
person who speaks on behalf of the campaign set a
thing a few days ago to which the normal person's

(09:15):
response would always be, why isn't Kamala saying it? I
haven't heard her talk about that at all. And I
mean things like the economy and the border and crime
and trade and national security and whatever. Right this, this,
the whole campaign is such a fraud. It's mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, and that's why, ultimately, I don't think anything that
either candidate says from this point is going to impact
things very much. Kamala has basically stood for and against
every single issue on the planet, and she's not answering
lots of questions such as, hey, what do you think
about reparations? What do you think about decriminalizing sex work?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I mean, she just won't to answer questions. And so
this is turnout election. And for those of you out
there listening to us every day between now an election day,
we're gonna say the same thing, go vote.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know, I think all of you listening to us
right now, I would bet, in fact, if you're not
eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two.
If you're an undecided voter, I would love to hear
from you. At this point listening to this program, I
don't buy into their very many undecided voters. I think Buck,
there are people who are undecided if they're willing to vote,

(10:30):
that is, are you going to make the effort to
go out get your vote counted? All those things that
kind of say that makes more sense to me, Yes,
being just out on both candidates.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Obviously, I'm very supportive of Trump, wanted to win, but
I'm just saying the the thinking there, I can understand
the I'm not sure if I like Kamala or Trump
more to lead the nation for four years at this
point that I don't understan. Yeah, I agree, but I'm curious,
are are you listening to us? Is there anybody out
there still vacillating, still going back back and forth? You're

(11:00):
unsure if you're Trump, You're unsure if you're Kamala. I
would like to hear from.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
You, because I would genuinely be wondering, what are you
trying to figure out? At this point, six weeks out
and again, turnout is going to decide this election decides
most elections that are close. Who is better able to
mobilize their supporters and get them out. Where is the enthusiasm.
And let's be honest, Kamala is going to spend more money.

(11:28):
I flagged something bucks. Since August she spent five hundred
million dollars more than Trump. She is pouring money into Facebook,
pouring money into digital media. A lot of you out
there are probably seeing way more Kamala ads than you
are Trump ads. Yet she's coming down, I would say,
in general in the overall gambling markets, and her numbers

(11:51):
in polling seem to have in many ways peaked. So
that's one reason I'm bullish on Trump. But ultimately it's
just going to come down to how many eyes out there,
particularly in rural Pennsylvania and rural Wisconsin and rural Michigan,
how many of you are willing to go? And then
in the cities in the Detroits, the Milwaukee's, the Pittsburgh's,

(12:13):
the Philadelphia's of the world in the Midwest, how many
people out there are willing to show up for Kamala.
We'll play for you in a little bit. Another cut
from CNN, which continues to discuss that Kamala is not
doing well with Black and Latino voters, and as that
continues to get stacked up, it creates more and more

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challenges for her beyond a shadow of a doubt. So
I think they're starting to panic a bit. But again,
what you can do if you are nervous and you
are apprehensive, get your ballot counted, get your vote in,
and start working on friends and family because it's going
to come down to turn out.

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Speaker 2 (14:55):
Had a lot of talk recently about Springfield, Ohio and
the situation of about twenty thousand Haitian migrants congregating there
in a town that had previously had what forty thousand
residents something like that, maybe fifty thousand, and trumpet seems
is now I believe not going as of today to

(15:15):
Springfield Governor Dwine, who is not my favorite Republican governor.
But anyway, Governor Wine not particularly interested or helpful in
the idea, but I thought it would be interesting Clay
to just take a moment to first of all, give
credit to Patrick Thomas over the Wall Street Journal for

(15:36):
what I thought was a really interesting piece on what's
really going on with these Haitian migrants in terms of
what are they dealing with? Okay, because the story if
you were to watch Morning Joe, you know, as Joe
and Mika get out of the private jet, you know,
leave the country club in Nantucket long enough to do
their shows from their private sets at home and have

(15:57):
chauffeurs drive them everywhere. You know, the Haitian migrants are
just they're living the American dream. Why are you opposed
to the American dream? And as we've discussed, they are here,
and I'm glad that people understand this. They are here
legally technically for now. There's a law passed by Congress
in nineteen ninety that allows for the provision of temporary

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protected status. Congress authorize the executive branch to do this.
Don't get mad at me, change the law. I mean
there shouldn't. I think this TPS thing is is a
big excuse for abuse and it's nonsense. But I'm just
pointing out what the real legal situation is. This piece
by Patrick Thomas Wall Street Journal Clay, I think really
gets to something that needs to be discussed in the

(16:39):
context of illegal immigration. What's going on. I'm gonna read
you just the opening paragraph of this okay, and then
we can start to dive into it. He writes. This
is from Greely, Colorado. It's not in Ohio. JBS, the
world's largest meatpacking company. A quarter of all US beef,
It's Brazilian owned quarter of all US beef is processed here,

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bills it as the path to the American dream for
the immigrants who staff at slaughterhouses and meat cutting lines.
The company erected employee housing near some plants where as
many as sixty languages are spoken, and workers can learn
English after hours and take free community college courses. Here
in northern Colorado, though at one of the company's biggest

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beef plants, recently arrived workers from Haiti described grim living conditions.
A human resource to supervisor for JBS arranged some of
the immigrant workers to stay at a motel a mile
down the road, where they lived for weeks on end.
They slept on the floor eight to a room, cooked
meals on hot plates on the carpet, burned up the

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carpets by the way, forty thousand dollars of damage in
the motel. JBS footed the bill. A supervisor himself an immigrant,
set up others to stay in a five bedroom, two
bathroom a unit he leased in town. There too, people
slept on the floors. Thirty or more people living in house,
thirty people living in this this four or five bedroom

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house with two bathrooms. Thirty people charge sixty dollars a
week in rent. Sixty dollars a week. Oh, that's right.
So that means that they're they're charging for this house
that probably would you know, Clay, rent for two thousand
a month, maybe something like that, eighteen hundred dollars a week. Yeah,
so they're running. They've got slumlord operations going on with

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these migrants taking advantage of them. And this is the
final line I'll give you, Clay. Some workers said they
couldn't bear to tell loved ones in Haiti about the
conditions and that the US wasn't supposed to be like
this quote. It was worse than being in jail, Clay.
You know when people talk about all migrants doing the

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jobs we won't do, and they're so helpful to the
community and stuff, there's massive exploitation. And by the way,
the cost that isn't born by these companies that are
underpaying and maltreating these workers are born by society with
public services, with welfare and hospital emergency rooms and public
schools that have to figure out sixty languages.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, that's the challenge, right, is the incentive structure. And
we heard a big discussion about this in Springfield that
one reason Haitians are getting hired in Springfield is because
our government is doing a better job of subsidizing the
employment of illegals and recent migrants than they are actual citizens.

(19:28):
And I want to mention this too. We had a
call in the first hour sixty two year old undecided
voter from Indiana talking about her health insurance, and a
bunch of you have reacted to that. One of the
big challenges on health insurance in general is without knowing
the particulars of someone's health conditions. And I didn't want
to dive into the particulars, like hey, what medications are

(19:50):
you on?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
What's the cost? Health insurance? A mess? Now. Trump said
in the.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Debate that he was not going to replace Obamacare unless
there was something better. I think he memorably said that
he had concepts of a plan really our health system,
and I think most of you out there will totally
agree with this is totally broken, and I think that
ties in with our immigration system and also the bureaucracy

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that we have created in the United States in general.
So much of it is nonsensical. And I'll give you
an example. I don't know if I've told this story
on the show, Buck, but this is probably not going
to stun any of you. I'm not an expert when
it comes to health insurance, and we go because we
got three young kids, we go a lot of times
to like a local health center. I went in once

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and I couldn't find my insurance card, and I just said, hey,
I think I've got the wrong wallet. I'm not sure.
We got an updated insurance card. They treated me Buck,
as an uninsured individual. It cost almost nothing. We got
one tenth of the cost of what it would have
been if I had presented my insurance card. So we

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got the bills sent to the house. This is a
Vanderbilt clinic, and they said, oh, if you don't have insurance,
we charge you a fraction of what we charge you
if you have insurance. So I just inadvertently did this
with one of the kids. I couldn't find my health
insurance card. We got the benefit of me not finding
the health insurance card. My point on this is that's

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happening all over the country where those of us who
have insurance are subsidizing all of these illegals when they
show up at emergency rooms and run up bills into
the tens of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
They're never paying you. We are, in fact, we have
something similar to universal health care. It's just the costs
are hidden and opaque from the people that are actually
paying the taxes. I talked about this when the migrant
crisis in New York was really heating up, and even
Mayor Adams himself of New York City was saying, we
can't handle this. Thirty percent of emergency room hours and

(21:59):
staff attention and time were spent on illegal immigrants who
had just arrived. They're you know, they're not all getting
hit by cars, I mean rushed in the er. They
go to the er for routine medical correct. Now, you
could say, oh, well, don't be heartless. Everyone needs medical care. Yeah, okay,
I understand that's why the ers have to treat people.
But if you you know, had fallen off a ladder

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and dislocated your shoulder and were an intense pain, and
you're told that you have to wait for an extra
two or three hours in the er because other people
are getting you know, free prescription glasses and whatever courtesy
of the taxpayer. You might be a little bit annoyed.
And I think that's very reasonable. I went into an
eye I actually had this experience. I had an eye injury.
I had cut on my cornea and I went into

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like an eye hospital in New York to get to
get help Clay, and they were like, you're gonna have
to wait a long time. And I was like, well,
what's going on? I talked to them. Shirt of there
were you could tell me. There were a lot of people,
non English speaking individuals who were there for routine eye care. Yeah,
you know, doing vision tests, doing whatever. And this is
aalized eye hospital and their version of the er. I'm like,
what am I doing here? So the healthcare system is

(23:05):
a mess, and it's because it's so complicated that anytime
you try to talk about it you get hit by
people who pretend that they have a simple answer. You
do not want to go to a surgeon in Canada.
My friends, okay, have some of our Canadian friends. We
got listeners up north a they can call in and
tell everybody. You do not want to wait six months
for your operation or more, or wait six months to

(23:28):
see a specialist. There are all these things that are
giant mess. You know, here in Florida, you drive the airport,
what do you see everywhere everywhere? Ambulance chasing, lawyer advertising. Yes,
it is so bad that a lot of doctors in
Florida can't get insurance. You know this for delivering babies. Yes,
and you know this is something you can imagine your

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wife is pregnant, you want to get you can't even
have insurance, so they have to pay into this like
accident pool, which is kind of a run around on insurance.
And they call it going bareback by the way when
they have when they have no insurance. Yeah, they just
have to deal with it. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
One of my best friends that went to law school
with is a medmole defense attorney. So basically all he
does is defend doctors. And different states have different laws
as it pertains to what is allowed to occur. But
I mean, honestly, if I could fix any one thing
in America today, it would be the healthcare system because

(24:24):
it's completely broken. It's illogical even the way we do
insurance doesn't make sense. We connect insurance to jobs, which
basically makes the employer have to pay massively regularly increasing insurance.
And oh, by the way, here's the frustrating thing. I
bet there's er docs listening to us right now. A
lot of the healthcare isn't very good. So you're getting

(24:44):
people going to the wrong doctors. You're getting people not
able to go to the right doctors. Heck, how many
of you out there right now listening to me have
wanted to go see a doctor for some specific issue
that you have and you have to go to a
general practitioner first to get a referral to go see
the doctor that you need to go see. And the
data all reflects on top of all this buck you know,

(25:05):
about half the healthcare that we get is completely unnecessary
because doctors are terrified they're going to get sued, so
they run unnecessary every test to try to make sure
that they can't get accused of negligence because they didn't
order this particular test. The profit margin on some of
these tests is through the roof, so they're also incentivized
in a in a perverse way to drive up the

(25:27):
amount of medical care they give.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
To people.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And the end result is I don't think most people
out there feel like they're getting very good coverage. And
none of this has anything to do with cost, which
is the number one way that we decide almost everything
in America is by cost. You at least know what
something cost. I mentioned this in the first hour. I've
had three We've had three kids. You go tour the

(25:51):
hospital's buck they give you like, hey, we have bamboo floors,
we have Wi Fi, we have like ocean sounds for delivery.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
They never tell you what it costs.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I asked, I'm like, hey, why are you not competing
on price? It's you choose where to go. And they're like, oh,
we don't know about your insurance. We don't like to
get in. They couldn't even tell me where I was
gonna have to pay to have it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, there's a game that they engage in anyway, and
we'll come back to the Haitian migrants working situation in
a moment, But there's a game that they engage in
Clay where you said that actually they charge you less
if you don't have insurance. But there's also the other
side of it where sometimes especially for specialty things, they
because they have a deal with the insurance company to
charge a certain rate. They can also end up charging

(26:34):
you a lot more if you pay out of pocket
because they think you have the money. Correct. So the
whole thing is they don't want They just want to
figure out how to extract as much as possible from
whatever they can extract from. Yes, so if they think
you can pay, you'll end up charging. That's how you
pay the most. If they think you can't pay and
you don't have insurance, then they'll charge the least. But
they want to keep open the option always of billing

(26:55):
your insurer and getting as much from the insurer as possible.
A whole things mess.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, My wife, who you know well too, was got
the two bills basically in the same month, and she said,
how in the world did you only have to pay
twenty dollars to go for one of our kids, I think,
to get a strep throat test or something, and the
other kid had another issue, and you know, it ended
up like hundreds of dollars. And she called and they said, oh,
we marked your husband down as not having insurance for

(27:22):
whatever reason, so we don't charge anything there.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I went to an er because I was hoping to
give me IV because I had a stomach bug years ago.
I was living in I was like completely wasted with
food poisoning or something. And I remember I walked in
and waited so long that I left. I waited three hours. Yeah,
couldn't get anyone to see me, you know, give me
an IV bag or a like that, because I was
completely dehydrated. You know, I got a bill. What do

(27:45):
you think the bill was for? For like ibuprofen or
like tile and all or something. They took my blood
pressure and then sat me back in the weight room.
What do you think they charged me? It's two hundred
and thirty dollars, eleven hundred bucks. I got a bill
for eleven hundred dollars because someone came out, took my
blood pressure and said okay, and then sat me back
in the waiting room. Yeah. I mean it's a broken system.

(28:07):
So it's completely broken. And by the people that tell you,
like Bernie and Kamala. I mean, it's funny. I'm remembering
all the battles about Obamacare. Now that was just a
cost shifting program that massively expanded medicaid, and we're going
bankrupt as a country by the way overwhelming Obamacare, the
coverage increases, we're actually medicaid as in healthcare welfare, and

(28:27):
we can't afford this. By the way, all these migrants
are going to be getting medicaid and they're not going
to be paying federal income tax. So how's that supposed
to work out for the budget. But look at us,
we just got on a big healthcare discussion. We weren't
even planning on it.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, well, nobody's it's it's funny. I mean, it's hardly
a discussion.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Point.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh, you brought up that there's very little discussion about
the health care costs as I have you heard Trump
talk about healthcare on any of the I I'm not
saying he hasn't.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Someone's going to say, as he did. I have not
heard him talk about health caare in this cycle that
I can remember. I haven't heard Kamala talk about it.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
Well.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
But I mean even in the debate, you know, we
get questions about jan six. I mean probably by far
the thing that people care about the most is health
insurance rates. I know, if you run a business, what
you have to pay And to your point, to me,
this ties in directly with the migrant thing. They are
never going to pay their healthcare bills. Yes, trust me,
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Speaker 2 (30:36):
Welcome back and everybody. We're joined now by the Great
Miranda Divine. Know only do we think she is great?
President Trump does too. Put out this on truth Social
The Great Miranda Divine understood the harsh reality of the
Laptop from Hell before the fake news media would even
acknowledge its existence. Now Miranda has written another blockbuster book,

(30:57):
The Big Guy. How a President and his son sold
out America. The Big Guy hits stores and the bottom
line Today Miranda, congrats again on the book and the
shout out from the other big guy, President Trump.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
How you doing, thanks, Bucking Clay. I'm doing really well
and very happy and thrilled that Donald Trump has actually
endorsed the book. That's terrific.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
How much of this is it feels like it's kind
of a sequel to Laptop from Hell or you know,
the next you know, the next phase of the story
and and what what's really the focus I mean it
feels like, just from the title alone, you want America
to know this really wasn't about a guy taking selfies
and tidy whiteies with aviators on, meaning Hunter, there's bigger

(31:42):
issues here.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (31:44):
One, it is a sequel, and it really is about
the cover up. You know, the laptop from Hell and
all our reporting we did that got censored from Hunter.
Biden's abandoned laptop tells the story of the sort of
Biden family influence. It's peddling, but you know, that's a
big story, and corruption is as old as Washington itself,

(32:06):
and it showed us that Joe Biden the president, was
potentially compromised by China because of the millions of dollars
his family had brought in.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
But I think the.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Biggest story, and the story that sort of evolved only
after we started reporting out the truth from the laptop,
was the cover up, which began the minute the New
York Post published on October fourteen, twenty twenty, And we
had a big tech Facebook and Twitter sense of the
story immediately lock our account for two weeks until a

(32:38):
couple of days before the election. And then you had
these former intelligence officials fifty one I call them the
dirty fifty one who signed that letter falsely claiming that
the laptop and our stories were Russian disinformation. What we
found out in the four years since is just mind boggling,

(32:58):
the concerted f that by. It wasn't just former intelligence officials,
it was the CIA. The CIA director herself, Gina Haspell
at the time under Donald Trump, she signed off on
that letter. She was shown the letter before it was
issued to the public, and she okayed that she gave
it the green light. And we also found out that

(33:20):
several of the signatories of that letter were actually active
contractors for the CIA at the time. And then we
also later find out other interventions by the CIA, including
into the investigation of Hunter Biden in Delaware that dragged
on for five years because the Department of Justice was

(33:42):
obstructing and hobbling the investigators. Anytime they tried to find
out a follow any of the evidence trails from Hunter
Biden to his father, who was intimately involved in this corruption,
they were blocked. They were told, no, you can't have
a search warrant on Joe biden property. No you can't
geolocate the phones that were on Joe Biden's property that

(34:05):
Hunter Biden was telling his Chinese business partners that he
was sitting in a room with his father and his
father was angry that the money hadn't come through. They
weren't allowed to interview Kevin Morris, who you know Hunter's
business partners call Hunter Biden's latest sugar brother, the Hollywood

(34:26):
lawyer who basically bankrolled his lifestyle and also paid up
to six million dollars for him, including for his IRS
over due i RS taxes, and Kevin Morris. The CIA
apparently called in the DOJ the prosecutors and told them

(34:49):
that he was off limits for their investigation, and the
IRS investigators who became whistleblowers, were never told why they
weren't allowed to interview Kevin Morris, but eventually the prosecutors
they worked with said, well, we got called to Langley
and they said leave off. There were so many instances
and it was not just the CIA, the FBI, and

(35:10):
the State Department, as I said, the Department of Justice,
the IRS. They all conspired to cover up the corruption
and ensure at the twenty twenty election that Joe Biden
would win and that none of the derogatory information that
we'd uncovered would see the light of day.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Miranda, you brought this story out in October of twenty twenty.
We know it was one hundred percent true, yet it
was censored. As you've laid out, this new book discusses that,
how concerned are you about a twenty twenty four version
of what happened in twenty twenty and if it were
to occur, what do you think it might look like?

(35:49):
As certainly that rigging may well have given Joe Biden
the election in twenty What are you concerned about as
you look six weeks out here from this election, Well, that.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
Is top of mind. And I think that's why I
wrote the book. Because the same people who covered up
and protected Joe Biden really throughout his career, from his
earliest days in the Senate at the age of twenty
nine point thirty, they are now propping up Kamala Harris.
And it's seek no surprise that in her sort of

(36:23):
endorsement speech at the DNC in Chicago a few weeks ago,
that she made a point of talking about the military
and the military industrial complex, basically her support for them.
It's no surprise that yesterday you had Vladimir Zelenski, the
Ukrainian president intervene in our election just as early voting

(36:46):
was starting in Pennsylvania. He flies into Pennsylvania to go
and stand alongside Kamala Harris surrogates and signed bombs in
a factory there, and he was flown in by US
military aircraft. This is the most outrageous intervention by I
guess you call it the National Security State or the blob,

(37:09):
as the Obama people used to call that sort of
triumvirate of the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon.
They I mean, even this week there were seven hundred
and forty one members of these high ranking officials of
the National Security State who signed a letter endorsing Kamala Harris,

(37:30):
if you can believe it, as a serious and capable
commander in chief, far superior to Donald Trump. And I
think really the agenda is this that Donald Trump as
president presided over a period of remarkable calm and peace
around the world. On foreign affairs, he treated everything the

(37:52):
way he treated a domestic policy, just like a developer
from a property developer from Queens was practical, first principles, logical,
just tried to fix problems the safest and quickest and
cheapest way possible and most effectively.

Speaker 8 (38:11):
And he did that.

Speaker 7 (38:11):
And we saw in the Middle East and the Abraham Accords,
we saw the Vladimir Putin unlike under Obama and under Biden,
he did not invade Ukraine. We saw isis defeated. We
saw Iran on its knees, completely broke and unable to
fund any of its proxies to attack Israel. You know,

(38:34):
several of its high ranking people were wiped out by
Donald Trump. North Korea was in its box. You know,
you would think for the American people, for America's national interest,
all of that would be beneficial. And yet no, because
these national security apparachiks who are completely out of control.
They are a shadow government. And their puppet was Donald

(38:58):
was sorry, was Joe Biden. Their new puppet is Kamala Harrison.
Of course, her sidekick Tim Waltz, who plays the same
role that Joe Biden did for Obama as being the
sort of foreign policy guy who's completely captured by China.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Miranda Devine with us the Big Guy, How a President
and his Son Saw that America Her book that is
out today, sequel to her best selling Laptop From How
Go Get Your Copy? Miranda I know, you wrote a
piece of The New York Post. We didn't spend much
time on this on the show. I kind of wish
we had dove into a little more. So this is
our first opportunity. Biden had a cabinet meeting on Friday,

(39:35):
but Jill Biden was running the cabinet meeting, which I
think is fair to ask, considering Biden clearly has cognitive
decline from age. Is Jill Biden the de facto president now?
Because I don't think we signed up for doctor Gilder
on things.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Yeah, well, she certainly thinks that she's pretty important. There
she was on Friday, as you said, presiding over a
cabinet meeting, sitting at the head of the tape able
expounding on some pet ridiculous project of hers, and then
you know, around the table cabinet members, including sitting right
next to her, the CIA director William Burns, had to

(40:11):
dutifully applaud her, while Joe Biden's just staring vacantly into space.
I mean, if anything, he's gone downhill since his disastrous debate.
Whatever they were doing to prop him up and make
him seem relatively rational, they seem to have given up doing.
We hardly ever see him. He had to come out
of his box, of course over the weekend because he

(40:33):
had the prime ministers from India and Japan and Australia
arrived for that really important Quad meeting which is about
sort of stemming China's aggression in the Indo Pacific, and
instead of having them at the White House as they
were last time, as they should be, they were insulted

(40:55):
by being having to schlep all the way out to
Wilmington to Joe Bidenen's hometown stay in subpar lodgings, while
Jill Biden took over the White House for her own
pet projects, and she had, for instance, the cast of
the West Wing there for a party, and she had
some educators confab on another day. So there was just

(41:16):
no room for the leaders of two billion people to
talk about how to stop China from taking over half
the half the world.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Miranda, what do you think would happen if China invaded Taiwan?
But who would actually make decisions in the White House
right now?

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Look, I think it's really frightening to think who is
making the decisions. Obviously, Joe Biden is in no state
to answer the phone at three o'clock in the morning.
He's in no state to control the nuclear arsenal. It's
shadowy people. It's Tony Blink, and it's Jake Sullivan, It's
whoever at the Pentagon. It's this shadow cabal, the shadow

(41:56):
government that's controlling things, that will do whatever it takes
to ensure that Donald Trump is not president again. And
I mean whatever it takes. You know, they are desperate
and they think that Donald Trump is an existential threat
not to America, not to democracy, but to their own power,
their own control of things. So I honestly cannot tell you.

(42:21):
I don't think anyone can really tell you what's going
on behind the scenes. Some people say that Obama is
pulling the strings from around the corner. That could be
the case. So he has a lot of his people
stashed there at the White House running and the DOJ
running things.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
What do you think, Miranda, last question for you, and
we appreciate encourage everybody to go get the new book
that is out that is rocketing up bestseller list. What
do you think or how long maybe it's a better
way to phrase it, how long do you think it
will be until we get the true story of Joe
Biden behind the scenes, and how decrepit and frail he
has really been. Do you think before he leaves a

(43:00):
couple of months after the inauguration of whoever wins, what
does that look like for the historical record.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
Well, I think that all the journalists in Washington who
knew exactly what was going on, will be in a
huge arms race to see who can get you the
book out first and get the biggest advance. So they
won't be were they'll be writing it right now, and
they'll push the button after the election, because of course
they won't want to damage Kamala Harris's prospects because she's

(43:30):
better than anyone except probably Jill Biden and Hunter Biden.
What Joe Biden's cognitive state was like. They were supposed
to be having lunch every week that sort of peetered
off to just semi regularly. But she was also boasted
about being the last person in the room when decisions
were made. She knew exactly what was wrong with him,
and yet she lied through her teeth to the American people,

(43:51):
telling us that he was sharp as attack and brilliant
and ready to run another term and no problem at all.
I guess she was hoping that he would stumble across
the finish line win the election so that she could
just be anointed without having to go through the discomfort
of an election. But she's hardly really putting yourself out.
I wouldn't call what she's doing campaigning.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Go get the book the big guy. How a president
and his son sold out America. Miranda. We're big fans
over here. Thanks for all the work you do, and
we'll talk to you again soon, hopefully celebrating Trump's win
after this election.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
But we'll see Thanks so much, fucking Clay.

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Speaker 1 (45:48):
Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us on this Tuesday. We
talked with Miranda Devine last hour. She has got her
brand new book out today, joining us now. The vik
Ramaswami also has his brand new book that is being
released today. It is called Truths the Future of America. First,

(46:08):
the weik I saw you out in La a couple
of weeks ago. So I hope everything has been going well.
I understand you're in New York right now. What should
people know about the Well, we'll get to the book
in a sec. What do you think is the status
of the election based on everything you're seeing six weeks
out officially from election day? How would you analyze the

(46:30):
respective horse race here?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
So, look, I think for the horse race part of this,
I would say it's dead heat. At the presidential level,
I'd give President Trump the advantage, and frankly from calling
out like I see it, I think we're at a
disadvantage in the Senate races in critical states. So I
could really foresee a scenario where President Trump is successfully
elected without a clear majority for Republicans in the Senate.

(46:53):
That's the way things are trending, but a lot could
change in October. Now. My warning call, and this is
also part of why I wrote this book at I
intended its publication date right now ahead of the election
as a warning call that we were warned of a
red wave that we were going to have in twenty
twenty two. Well it never came, and I think we're
at risk of something similar happening in twenty twenty four

(47:15):
unless we level up and actually articulate not just the
policies that were against from the other side, but a
strong vision of what we actually stand for. And if
we do that, I think that this could actually the
tide could turn both the presidential level and the Senate
in our direction in a big way. And that's a
big part of the call to action, the lighting the

(47:36):
fire under our feet that I hoped to achieve with this.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Book, you know, Vivik, We asked some undecided voters to
join us in the first hour call in and tell
us what was on their list of concerns, and a
big discussion about healthcare was started as a result of that,
which is not something that the media has been very
focused on nor honestly either campaigned. And I'm wondering if

(48:00):
you were to try to articulate what is and I
know you have a background in pharmaceuticals, if you were
to articulate what an America first healthcare program looks like?
What does it sound like? I mean, what should President
Trump pursue and what can he do?

Speaker 6 (48:15):
So one of the dirty little secrets is that actually
one of the top focuses of AHHS Health and Human
Services is actually on the illegal mass migration crisis. Not
a lot of people appreciate that that's actually one of
the most important functions because a lot of those illegals
are routed in to AHHS pursue into a lot of
these and a lot of not only the MSCY programs,

(48:37):
but a lot of the migrant care programs. So I
think the first thing we've got to do is make
AHHS well, so all the immigration crisis that actually puts
HHS back in admission of making America and Americans the
healthiest country on the planet. That actually has not been
part of the job of an AHHS bureau before. It's
really been the job of kind of a health accountant

(48:58):
instead of actually being ambitious about up making the country
as healthy as we possibly can be. At a moment
where we've been in life expectancy increases for a very
long time, we're seeing that trend turn against us. You're right,
it hasn't been a major issue for either candidate in
this race, and I think it's because some of the
areas where you'd have to stake out a policy claim

(49:19):
could be controversial, And what do you do with the
continued funding of medicare Medicare versus Medicare advantage. Now that's
a you know, gets into some technical details we probably
want to go into. But Medicare advantage is one where
people are able to choose private health insurance plans offered
via Medicare versus centralized Medicare, which has far less options

(49:39):
and far poorer outcomes. And this is something that you know,
I think we ought to focus on after the election.
It's not a top question that I think is going
to move voters just because it requires so much education
between now and election day. But the more we're talking
about improving the health of Americans, the more we can
also say we have the bandwidth to do it once.
AHHS is not occupied with dealing with the effects of

(49:59):
the man illegal immigration crisis in the country, and I
do think President Trump has been outstanding in repeatedly bringing
attention to that issue. Any Way that wouldn't have been
the case. Is if you know a different person were running.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
You're in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Midwest is going to decide this race, probably Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
How would you handicap the Midwest based on what you're
seeing and how over the next six weeks do you
think the closing argument should and will be played out
across those Midwest battlegrounds.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
So I'll give you where I'm drawing my pulse from.
I went to the University of Pittsburgh last week, spoke
a bunch of college students in Pennsylvania that are Pennsylvania voters.
I did a town hall in Springfield, Ohio, not far
from where I live. We sent out a social media post.
I expected some number of people to show up. Turns
out some order of two thousand people RSVP'd, and several

(50:55):
hundred packed the room that day and really got a
pulse for the town. And I'm headed to Wisconsin to
do a rally myself tomorrow. And so I've got a
finger on the pulse. And something you can't get from
the polling is just the energy, the sixth sense for
the energy you get on the ground. I think Donald
Trump has a major advantage in those Midwestern states where
people really have seen prices go up at a steeply

(51:19):
faster rate than their wages. And I think that that
fact just is a backdrop fact that works deeply in
President Trump's favor. Doesn't matter the rhetoric, doesn't matter what
people might have as fringe policy disagreements when their prices
have gone up faster than their wages have. That creates
a level of discontent. And twenty nineteen wasn't that long

(51:40):
ago that they remember what it felt like back then
as well. I think the effects of the border crisis
have now spilled into not just Texas and Arizona, but
are now spilling into the Midwest too. That's relatively more recent,
the effects of massive illegal migration being so palpable for
people in Michigan and in Ohio and even in states
like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and so I do think that

(52:02):
those factors point pretty favorably for President Trump in those states.
You do have Senate candidates in multiple of those states
that are still trailing. They're Democratic competitors, and so what
that says is people have been pretty thoughtful. That should
give us more confidence in President Trump's numbers because they're
saying that, Okay, I'm not sure about the Senate candidates
in these respective states, but I do remember what those

(52:23):
four years like were like under Donald Trump, and that's
why I'm still voting for Donald Trump, even if I'm
less certain of who I'm voting for for US Senate,
which gives me more confidence in that.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
We're speaking of Aviake Ramaswami, his new book out today,
Truths the Future of America First and Vivek. To that end,
Let's just say you're a senior advisor in the next
Trump White House. I'm very confident Trump's going to win.
But I know people yell at me and say stop stop,
you know, jinxing it or whatever. But I think that
this time around we're looking good. Anyway, Let's say you're

(52:54):
a senior advisor and are able to help shape what
is at the time of the agenda for America first,
and it really would have to be in the first
two years of his presidency, as we know he's only
got one more term. What is it? What are the
top issue one or two? One or two issues that
you would say, mister President, we got to get on

(53:15):
this and we got to make big strides on it.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
So I'll make it succinct. And both of these are
at the heart of my new books. That's how today.
Two mass deportations. Okay, one is the mass deportation of
millions of illegals who are in this country against the law.
But that's in division. We also require a second mass
deportation of the millions of unelected federal bureaucrats out of Washington,

(53:39):
b C. And I think those two things basically save
the country. That's how you save a nation. First, as
if we have an immigration system that makes sense in
the country where the only people who enter the United
States of America are those who benefit the United States
of America, and do it pursue to the rule of law.
That's solved one of our two major crises in this country.
And the second is the fact that the people people

(54:00):
we elect to run the government, they're not even the
ones who actually run the government anymore. Change that by
firing seventy five percent of the bureaucrats, shutting down agencies
that shouldn't exist, rescind unconstitutional federal regulations that are wielded
by these lawless three letter agencies. If we do that,
that's the single greatest economic stimulus you could give our economy.

(54:20):
But it also gives us a shot in the arm
of reviving self governance and our pride in our country.
So this is a common thread through the book. I
think probably have a chapter on the border in the
book and about what we could do to fix immigration
in a way that hasn't yet been talked about, even
by Republicans. But I think the most important part of
the book, and I think the most important part of
a governing agenda, would actually be to make sure we

(54:42):
have three branches of government in the United States again,
not four, and to shut down those three letter agencies
and the four million federal bureaucrats work there. We don't
need seventy five percent of them. And I think if
we're able to take that head on early on in
the second Trump term and how you save a republic,
that is how you stimulate an economy. And those issues

(55:04):
sometimes bore people when you talk about the administrative state
or whatever. But one of the things I try to
do in this book, and especially probably the most important
chapter in the book, is that one on the bureaucratic state,
is to make it accessible, to make it actually explain
how that's impacting the lives of every day American. That's
not somebody else's academic concern, but that is the concern

(55:26):
and the root cause of the cancer in our country.
And so I hope people you know who read the
book are able to be armed with those arguments in
a way that they might not be if they're debating
their friends on the left. I want them to come
out on the winning side of those debates, and that's
why I wrote this book.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Last question for you, of Ave, can we appreciate the time,
good luck with the book, encourage you guys to go
check it out. How concerned are you about the censorious
media environment in the country today and that if Kamala
Harris wins, what do you think that would do to
the marketplace ideas, whether it's coming down on Elon, we

(56:02):
already know the impact that Facebook and other outlets have
felt based on their being attacked by, for lack of
a better word, the Biden administration.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
Look, I'm worried about the censorship culture in the modern
West and particularly in the United States of America. What
you had over several years is the government threatening tech
companies to censor speech or else face government backlash, and
why they've become the instruments of state power. You've see
that continue under the Biden administration. Thankfully, some of that
has been exposed. Elon Biden Twitter was a major milestone,

(56:35):
not just for Twitter, but because it put the other
companies on notice that they were now at least facing
competition in the marketplace of ideas. So am I worried
about it? You're darnk right, I am. But I am
also encouraged by the fact that people in this country
have woken up to no longer swallow what they're force fed.
I think we didn't have a culture of complacency in

(56:55):
the country where you didn't see the level of skepticism
from ordinary citizens in the public that you do today
seeking information out not just because MSNBC or CNN told
them something that they believe it, but that they have
to actually view what they're fed, even by the government,
with skepticism. So in sometance culturally, I'm encouraged, But I
think that it is going to be a pro censorship

(57:17):
environment if Kamala Herris is the president, just as it
was under Joe Biden, and I think that we can't
live through that for too long. And that is, if
I had to summarize the thesis of Truths to the
book in one line, it is that the path to
truth runs through free speech and open debate. There's no
such thing as an opinion that is rightfully censored. What

(57:40):
does free speech mean? I mean people lose track ofness.
Does that mean you can threaten somebody know, doesn't mean
you can engage in commercial fraud. No, but the easiest
way and I talk about this in the book as well,
easy ways to explain to your friends on the left
or on the other side what it actually means here
I do it. In the case of free speech, it
means that you get to express any opinion because this

(58:00):
thing is a wrong opinion that can't be expressed. It's
too wrong to be expressed. That's what America has founded on.
And so if we're clear headed about these things, because
they always bring up, well what about the fraud or
what about the hate speech or the threat? Well, hate
speech is an opinion, a threat is a threat. Those
are two different kinds of speech. And in America, when
we say free speech, it means all opinions get to

(58:22):
be expressed. And that too, is I think at the
heart of saving our country. It's at the heart of
my new book, and I hope that people are able
to stand for this ideal of free speech. It's in
the First Amendment for a reason. It's one of the
most important ideals this country was founded on, and I
think it is one of the issues at stake in
this election as well.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
The book is truth the Future of America first of
the veak Aramaswami book is out. Check it out in
bookstores the VAK we appreciate the time, good luck with
the book.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
Thank you guys, appreciate it.

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