October 15, 2024 • 56 mins
Kamala's rhetoric. Allie Beth Stuckey on toxic empathy. Glenn Youngkin on voting. Our data guru Ryan Girdusky.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. I am solo today.
Clay gave me the con He is out with our
esteemed friends and partners from Tnalta Towers Foundation at one
of their golf outings where they raise money for one
of the best causes, imaginable. We were out to dinner
(00:24):
last night here in New York City, and I'll just
tell you I don't know much about golf, but Clay
was talking about being a quote scratch golfer and how
there would be multiple eagles and that he is a
better looking version of Rory McElroy. So I don't know.
I'm just saying I think he's talking a big game
(00:46):
about his golf game. But no, seriously, he misses you all.
He's going to be doing some great stuff with Taalata
Towers today and tonight. So it's just me. We got
a lot of news to get to, a lot to
discuss here. The Kamal campaign looking for a shift in momentum.
They're doing everything they possibly can at this stage because
(01:09):
the numbers say they are losing. We'll talk to her
from Ryan Gerdusky in the second hour about that exactly.
You know, Ryan, he's our unofficial but semi official numbers guy.
He'll join us talk about where the polls stand on
this one, so we'll get a really good sense in
those battleground states of what's going on, who's up, who's down,
and how can the gap be closed. Also, Ali, Beth
(01:32):
Stuckey will be back on the program. She's got a
book out, Toxic Empathy. That'll be third hour.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Ali.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're looking forward to having her join us. So let's
do the Kamala campaign. Let's also talk about Speaker Johnson
went on CBS talking about We're not gonna play this
clip right now, We're gonna do Kamala. I'm just I'm
just laying it out everybody. Don't worry. The board is like,
what's going on. It's like cotton, my con do it.
He's calling too many clips. I can't. I need more power. No,
(02:03):
but I'm just letting you know where we're going. We
got an amazing truth moment here on CBS coming up
in a bit where the Speaker of the House has
the full answer and the CBS answer. We'll get there.
Glenn Youngkin, I like young Kin, I gotta tell you.
I don't know, maybe it's maybe it's the you know,
the the way the guy wears the dad vests. You know,
(02:25):
he's just the guy's got game, right, he's uh, I
think he's got a he's got a big future. Well,
he was already the CEO of the Carlisle Group, so
I guess his future could just be fly fishing. But
we're going to uh get into how he is trying
to clear voter rolls of self identified illegals and get
ready for this, the Biden DOJ is stopping him from
(02:48):
doing that. So people are like, hello, I am illegal.
I don't know if they say it just like that,
but they're like, hello, I am illegal. And then they say, okay, well,
since you legally cannot vote, we know that much right,
we're gonna take you off the voter rolls. Biden's DOJ
says no. Civil Rights division of the DJ which is
the social Justice Division of the DOJ, says no. So
(03:10):
we're gonna get into that too. But I did want
to start off here with where things are. Kamala Harris
might be curious, but I did get to watch some
of Morning Joe this morning just down the street from me,
here in New York. I almost guys, can I get
into live studio audience? You think, I don't think they
would know. I'll just sneak in there. I'll put on
my Morning Joe glasses and swoop my hair back and
(03:30):
just be like, hey, everybody, I just got back from
Nantucket too, love Morning Joe. They won't know I'll wear
I'll wear the zip vest, the zip sweater. I mean,
they won't know quarter zip. You know, talk about how
I'm in a band. Also, you know he's in a band, right,
you can check. You could google it. So Morning Joe.
They were in full panic freak out mode about not
(03:52):
the Kamala is losing, but the focus of the Morning
segment was that Donald Trump is hitler and going to
use the military to go after his opponents. I'm telling
you this is where it is now. Their last their
last ditch effort to turn things around, isn't Kamala. Harris
(04:12):
has interesting ideas that that are achievable, that will make
your life better, That will make it easier for you
to pay your bills, that will increase your you know,
safety and security in your community. That will create a
secure border. No, no, no, no, none of that stuff. I'm
sure this will come up tomorrow on the Brett Bear
(04:33):
Interview on Fox.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The last argument that they're offering up really is that
Kamala Harris wants you to know that Donald Trump is
a fascist and will use the military. This is cut forward.
Play it, oh or or no?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think I think we had a little bit of
a of a pause here. There we go.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He's talking about the enemy within our country Pennsylvania. He's
talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him
or who will not bend to his will.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
An enemy of our country.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
It's a serious issue he's saying. He is saying that
he would use the military to go after them.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Can I just say that she is complaining about the
rhetoric that the Trump side is using while saying that
Trump is a fascist who will use the military against
his opponents. She's complaining about the rhetoric that Donald Trump
is using. After he got shot in the ear and
(05:55):
then some other guy, some leftist, you know, big Ukraine supporter, lunatic,
also tried to shoot the president of the former president
and hopefully future president of the United States. And they
see no disconnect here, No irony there's no problem. They
don't have any issue with just that you're a hitler,
(06:16):
you're going to destroy the country, and you really need
to tone down the political rhetoric. What how is that
supposed to work? And I mean, can you imagine for
a second if a Democrat had had taken a bullet
really grazing the base of the skull, because that's what
getting shot in the ear is, and and had multiple
(06:37):
criminal prosecutions against that Democrat by a Republican DJ and
that each one of those prosecutions is preposterous. Every one
of the cases brought against Donald Trump is alleging things
that are either non criminal or that he is not
guilty of. All of them, all of them, and some
(06:59):
of you have on the Bill Marshaw, I tried to
in the overtime segment. I tried to get in this.
I said, you know, they've got all of a sudden,
he's running for president. They've got multiple civil cases against him,
They've got four criminal cases. I'm not kidding you. The
other smart people at the table. Again, I appreciate Bill,
he had me on a show and he's got some
hoodspu to do so. But the other people there were
(07:20):
two others, they're like, yeah, no, that's just coincidence. Really, guys,
we're gonna go. He's almost eighty years old, four criminal
prosecutions ongoing at the same time. We couldn't get through
one of them before the election year. They all had
to wait until the election year. Sure, that makes a
(07:41):
lot of sense. It was meant to tie him down,
you know, like Gulliver with the Lilliputians, and just just
tying him down so he can't run for office. And
they're living in a fantasy world. Honestly, they're living in
some alternate universe, which I find quite scary. And the
people who are saying tone down the political rhetoric are
(08:01):
also the people who are are telling us that Donald
Trump is a fascist. Oh and they actually want to
put him in prison. He go has.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Called for the quote termination of the Constitution of the
United States.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Well, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, because see here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
The courts will handle that.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Let's handle November, shall we.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
November?
Speaker 7 (08:42):
November?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
First of all Democrats. If I have to hear that
voice for four years, I will never forgive you. I
will never forgive you. I just want I know that
Democrats don't care, but the same way that I am
forever bidder about Fauci and Masks, and I'm never letting
it go, and it's never going to be okay. I
will just early. Having to hear Kamala's voice for four
years is cruel and unusual punishment, and we all know it.
(09:07):
But notice her audience. You want to talk about where
the political rhetorica is going, Her audience is chanting lock
him up, while there are actual criminal trials underway meant
to lock him up, one of which he has already
been found guilty in the most absurd one for a
business records issue. I don't even think it's a business
(09:30):
records error because I don't see the error. I think
it was fine what he did. But there's no there's
no crime, there's no there's no victim, there's no damage.
You might have seen in the they're taking now the
Trump the judgment against Trump Trump Organization to the appellate
court after the three hundred and fifty some odd million
(09:53):
dollar judgment plus the interest and everything is basically like
a half a billion dollar judgment against the Trump Corp.
For And you know I've seen this one of the
judges goes, hold on a second. So you're telling me
that mar A Lago, you're expert at ma who this
is for the government side, the anti Trump side thinks
mar Laco is worth eighteen million dollars, which I just
(10:15):
tell you right now, if you've driven through Palm Beach,
you can't buy a guesthouse in Palm Beach for eighteen
million dollars. These days, I mean Palm Beach, it is
probably the most expensive real estate market in the country
per square foot. It's certainly in like the top five
or ten. I mean, it is crazy pricey. Okay, the
idea that you can have a sprawling mansion slash club
(10:38):
with what with what mar A Lago has for eighteen
million dollars is preposterous. It does fifty million dollars a
year in revenue. So so somebody explained to me, you
have an asset which is just the the property itself,
which is doing tens of millions of dollars in revenue
with the the fees and you know, the restaurants and everything,
(10:59):
and you're valuing that at eighteen million dollars. This is
this is idiot stuff. This isn't I disagree oh, we
could find a way in the middle. This is living
on another planet. Put five hundred million dollar when you
have to add in the penalties and stuff, and honestly,
the number it's hundreds of millions of dollars. Who cares
whether it's for seventy two point five or this is
what they're doing to Trump. And so you've got this
(11:21):
lunatic audience that is yelling that Trump should be locked
up and Kamala Harris, Oh, yeah, she's taking the high road.
Trump's a fascist, but I mean, you know, we want
to see what happens in the election. He's hitler, but
you know, let's not be too mean. They really there's
like a schizophrenia in the Kamala campaign. Kamala's campaign is schitzo.
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There's something wrong here. And it's not even just on
Trump and whether he should be locked up. She's positioned
herself as the candidate of change. How can you be
the change you're a sitting vice president. This would be
like Biden if he was still harsh. Not a joke,
you know here, I am it's going to be four
very different years from Biden. I can assure you with
(12:06):
that that Biden guy's not going to get away with
it again, I mean, would Biden do that? Perhaps because
you know, scrambled eggs. We don't really know what's going on.
Point here, I think quite clear. The Kamala campaign is
claiming that Trump is dangerous when they're dangerous. They're claiming
that Trump is undermining democracy and our system of government.
(12:27):
When they've weaponized democracy and our system of government against
a candidate who is now winning. How is that going
to look for them? I will tell you this, I
can't predict the future. I do think Donald Trump will
win this election. But I know no one can predict
the future. That is a fact. This much. I do know, though,
if Donald Trump wins, If I'm right and Donald Trump
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wins this election, all of the anxiety, the emotional collapse,
the screaming at the sky, the drowning their sorrows in
chief chardonnay of the Democrats, and the funerals they will
be having for our democracy on Morning Joe and on
CNN and all these other things will be richly deserved.
(13:09):
And I will feel not an ounce of sympathy for them.
And the great part about it is not only do
they deserve all that emotional trauma, which they do, the
country's going to be fine. It'll be better. So I
can feel like a very good person saying they've earned
the emotional trauma and the country will be in better
hands under Donald Trump, that it will be under Kamala
and they even get the benefit of it, you know
(13:29):
what I mean. So it's really justice in the most
fulsome sense. It would really be fair play. Trump wins,
the country actually starts to get better and move in
the right direction, and they all cry about it, but
you know, World War three is not going to break
out because we've got an idiot running the country. I
(13:50):
know that they disagree with all this, but they're also
wrong about everything. We'll get into some more of this.
I've got some great stuff here with youngkins throw down
over the voter rolls, and then also what they did
at CBA. I mean, CBS has provda on the Potomac.
I know people have said that about Washington Post, same thing.
It's so dishonest, and I don't think that. I just
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Speaker 1 (15:57):
Welcome back in everybody. We're joined by Ali Beth Stucky
notebook Toxic Empathy. How progressives exploit Christian compassion ale grit
To have you back on the show.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I actually can of ask you before we get into
toxic empathy. I don't know if you saw I was
on Bill Maher. We talked about toxic masculinity, which is
also just known to democrats as masculinity. Seems to me
like hating men might have electoral consequences. What do you think, oh,
you know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
What, I think the tide is turning in on that book.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, you saw that amazing ad where they had
those six or five really macho guys that were complete
manly men, totally organic support of Kamala Harris there. I'm
sure that probably even made you question whether or not
you were going to vote for Donald Trump just based
on their manly men at alone. And so I don't know,
(16:56):
I think Democrats have basically nailed this whole masculinity thing
based on what I'm seeing from kamalaw Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, when they said that they had that one guy
who said I eat carburetors for breakfast, I was like,
no guy who has ever even opened the hood of
a car ever in his life says I eat carburetors
for breakfast.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty that's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the book,
there's five primary lies and you have them listed as lies.
Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces of Kamala's campaign,
(17:42):
but also really got the Democrat Party overall. There are
some of us ollly who worry that if Kamala is
able to squeak across the finish line, is it just
because of this issue and its resonance? What do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position,
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there, those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
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exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms. They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
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to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great. Here is how
it works, this is what you should vote for. Because
they understand that the barbarism that is abortion is actually
(19:00):
very unpopular, so they have to lie and use this
toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It also bothers me ally, because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game by these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
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weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it. Because
most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong, and that can be used
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in a really good way. The problem is when it's
exploited for toxic or harmful me and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
Say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heart bending story and by they,
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I mean the left wing media, and they lead you
to the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral
position to take is the progressive one. So if you
really love women, then you will support her choice to
have an abortion.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
If you really love.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The immigrant and the sojourner and the foreigner, then you
will open up the border. And it goes like that
on every issue, whether it's criminal justice or whether it's
the transgender issue. They pull at your heart strings and
make you think that the only righteous position to take
is theirs, and unfortunately that dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali, particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, very aggressively
in recent years. Sitting under the Biden administration. Right Biden's
supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or
whatever Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition
for teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
(21:10):
But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal? Just
use the preferred pronouns. Don't be a jerk, use the
preferred prouns. What's the big deal, don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right?
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
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make this person feel bad, you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It always starts out with, well, how does this hurt you?
And I know this is controversial to say, even among
some conservative audiences, but it goes back further than the pronouns.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It goes back to a Bergefell.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It goes back to redefining marriage because love is love
is the same math as trans women are women. It's
the same kind of circular mantra that goes into the
idea that men and women are inner changeable, that there's
nothing special about male and female husband and wife, mom
and dad. These are just social constructs that we can exchange,
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interchange as we see fit. And that's how we got
this idea that a man can become a woman and
vice versa.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It capitalizes on our desire to not be seen as bad,
to not be seen as rude, to not be seen
as a Karen, to be tolerant, to be loving, and
then once they've gotten in with that kind of emotional manipulation,
they can go a little bit further, in a little
bit further until you're saying, well, the empathetic and loving
and righteous thing to do it's to subsidize child sex changes.
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And unfortunately that's where we are. But hopefully we can
call our way back with some good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're laying out and dissecting some of
the big lies that manipulate, and there really feels something
demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of getting
bad things to happen. Right, I mean that it seems
very I don't know, luciferian, but how do you try
(23:09):
to fortify people for the fight ahead on issues like this,
and how do you deal with that. I'm a good person.
I want to be a good person, but that doesn't
mean just going along with whatever moral blackmail the left
is offering.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that, hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
That's not the route that I take in the book.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I actually give a lot of credit to the heartstring
pulling strategy that the left very often employees to get
people to vote for them. But then I look at
the other side of the story. So I tell a
story from their perspective of an illegal alien who fled
here from Mexico with her children got deported. Obviously, the
Washington Post when they told that story they wanted us
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to be against deportation. But then I tell an equally
heartrending story of Kate Steinley, who, of course was shot
in the back by an illegal alien in San Francisco,
thirty two years old, died in her dad's arm, saying
help me, daddy, that was a preventable murder. She should
be alive today, She should be a mother married thriving,
but she's not because of the intentional and deliberate open.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Border policies that we have.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So there are people on both sides of every issue
that should get our empathy and compassion.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But then we have to ask ourselves what is true
and what is right? What is true and right morally?
What is true?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And write logically, scientifically, but also as a Christian what
is true and right biblically, and that should be our
guide in policy making, not how we feel.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Ali bethstucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic Empathy
How Progressives exploit Christian compassion. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, thank you so much. Great
to have you.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Thank you.
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All right, welcome back in team to Clay and Buck
and the battle over illegals on the voter rolls or
non citizens. I would think would mostly be illegals, right,
I don't know people on visas getting on the voter rules,
non citizens on the voter rules in Virginia. This should
be so straightforward, right, here's the deal. You have people
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sometimes right, no, I'm not a US citizen, but they
still end up on the voter rules. This is another
thing too. Let me just say there's cheating that goes
on in elections. There's also and don't think some of
you say you're being naive. I'm not being naive. This
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is a fact. There's also just clerical errors and mistakes
that votes are counted that shouldn't be or you know
that happens too, right, So it's not just there's the
intentional misuse of our elections. And then there's also the
like it's the government and it screws up component of this.
So you got to put both of those on the
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table when you're thinking about election integrity, and both of
those can be a problem, especially in a super tight
election in some of these states, which we are going
to have. It is going to be very close in
a number of the states. The country is very polarized.
We all know that, but this is fascinating to me
because you're seeing something going on here Biden's DOJ in
(28:36):
the Civil Rights Division, which historically, and I mean like
the last twenty years historically, is basically where all the
social justice warriors and DOJ go, and they have a
very left wing view of the law, and especially a
very left wing view of things like the Voting Rights
Act and the way that our election should be conducted.
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But this you would think wouldn't be controversial. The governor,
very popular governor, also pretty handsome. Where's those vests? Very tall,
former basketball player. I'm just kidding. He's great. He's great.
He's not quite not quite as Clay would think Gavin
Newsom level, but he's a pretty striking fellow. No, he's
the governor of Virginia. He's doing very well, and he's
(29:20):
trying to get illegals off the voter roles. Okay, who
could have a problem with this Biden's DEJ. This is
what Glenn Younkin says about the situation. This is cut three.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
An individual starts the process by self identifying as a
non citizen, and therefore, as governor, I have an obligation,
no discretion, to then run the process to notify that
person through our registrar that they have fourteen days to
clear it up, and if they don't clear it up,
they're going to be removed from the voter roles. The
big question I have is, given the clarity of the
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constitutionality of what I just described, both at the federal
level and the state level, why is it that anyone
could argue that a process that removes non citizens off
of our voter roles is anything else other than common
sense and constitutional.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't think there's a good answer to that. These
are people who are self idea. They're saying, no, I
am not a US citizen, but somehow they're on the
voter roles, and he's saying we're taking them off the
voter rolls. Look, there's only a twenty something days until
the election and the Biden. Harris DOJ has filed this
lawsuit against the State of Virginia because the State of
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Virginia is continuing to engage in the enforcement of a
law that has been around since two thousand and six
and was signed into law by Democrat Governor Tim Kane.
So a Democrat governor signs a law. I'm trying to
(30:55):
do the math now two thousand and six four for
eighteen eighteen years ago, no problems, no problems with this law,
and then suddenly, right before an election, they're doing what
they've been doing for almost twenty years, and they're saying, no, no,
it's within the quiet period. You can't do this because
it'll cause confusion. Who's going to be confused? The illegals
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who aren't supposed to vote, who have said I'm an illegal.
So this looks bad, doesn't it. I mean, if you're
being honest about this, what the heck is going on?
The best, or I should say, the least nefarious explanation
I can come up with. The least nefarious is that
this is just Biden's doj trying to stick it to
a Republican governor and trying to show that they take
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enforcement action about you know, voting and voting rights. Sure,
the more nefarious, and I'm sure a lot of you
think more realistic answers. They're hoping that there are least
mistakes illegals will vote. You say, oh, well, they won't
do that, because you know, then we'll go after them
and there'll be all these problems. A lot of people
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don't get caught, right, and also if they did get caught,
would they even be prosecuted. Think about it, some of
these people are going to be able to say, sorry,
I didn't know. I don't speak English very well. That
is the truth. And they've already brought this up to
some of these like left wing voting you know, voting
rights organizations in Virginia. They're like, well, that's the problem,
you see, because some of them are citizens, but they
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don't speak English well enough. I do wonder about this.
I'm a little surprised that Republicans don't make more of
an issue of this. First of all, English should be
the national language. English should be the national language. It
is not. People are going to say, yes, it is
buck it is actually not. Under law, English should be
the national language. Why does that matter? Well, one, linguistic
connection to your people is essential in a culture, in
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a society, in a polity, and beyond that, if someone
cannot speak English, well I do not want them voting.
If they cannot read English, well I do not want
them voting because it is impossible for them to understand
what is going on in our country. You should And
so when I say, well, I'm not talking about literacy tests,
but the ballots should be in English. It should be
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in English in New York. When I used to vote
in New York, I'm like, you know, pretty well traveled
and know a bunch of different languages a timey bit
at least I can at least identify them. Right, there
are languages. I'm like, what language is that? There's like
eighteen languages or something that the New York City ballots
are are put in. Well, you could say, oh, buck,
but that's not fair if somebody you know with there
(33:31):
are American citizens who if they don't speak English well
enough to be able to read a ballot in English,
is it? Is it really fair to have them voting?
And I'm not saying you have to take anyone's voting
rights away, you just have to say it's only in English.
This should only be an am I alone in this one?
This is where I start to think that people think
that I'm crazy. But because why isn't the right hammering
(33:52):
this more? You see, the whole thing in Virginia comes
down to, oh, people don't know they read these forms.
There are mistake and their English isn't that good? Okay.
I'm not saying you have to be able to recite
Shakespeare from memory or something, but you know, presidential ballot.
Here are the candidates, Here are the parties. If you
cannot understand that in English, how am I to think
(34:15):
that you understand what's going on in the country. How
am I to think that you understand what the laws?
Actually laws aren't written in any other language. Okay, you know,
if you actually could try to find this stuff, you're
not going to find, you know, translations of all US
statute into tie of A. Maybe Google and AI and
stuff can do these things these days. But you know,
you cannot understand what politics means in America if you
(34:39):
don't speak English well enough to fill out a ballot.
So why do we have it in fifteen different languages
or whatever it is in New York and all these
other places too? And why do we create this situation
where you're basically saying, yeah, look, maybe some illegals will vote,
not like we could blame them for it because they
don't speak English well enough to know the difference. Ah, Okay,
(35:00):
And this is this is where I quote Naval Ravikant,
Importing voters is a loopoland democracy and bringing people from
all over the world and trying to get them through
whatever means. You can remember, they're they're counted illegals are
counter for the purposes of congressional apportion which is insane.
So their illegals are already magnifying the power of the
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Democrat state because they're all flocking to Democrat enclaves like
New York and Los Angeles, and that's where you have
the greatest concentrations of illegals in the whole country. New
York City's number one. I mean, try to get a
hotel in New York City, by the way, I mean,
I've I lived here in my whole life. I've been
to New York many times and say it in the hotels,
(35:42):
you know, over the last twenty years, it's more expensive
than it has ever been by far, by far, And
it is in large part because twenty percent of the
hotel capacity of the city is assigned to migrants. That
seems like a lot. That's that's that seems considerable, doesn't it.
(36:02):
But they don't want you to pay attention to this.
They don't want us to see what's really going on here.
They want the games to continue. There's no good faith
reason to oppose there's no good faith reason to oppose
removing illegals from the voter rules in Virginia. There's no
good faith reason. I mean, how nefarious it is, we'll see.
(36:25):
But you know, I asked Ryan Groduski about this Virginia. Look,
I think Democrats will probably win Virginia. I'm not. I
don't have blinders on about this stuff. But it could
be close, could be close. And when it's close, all
of a sudden, you know, a few hundred votes here
or there. Remember I think it was a Norm Coleman
running against Al frankin that race came down. That was
a Senate race that came down to one hundred something votes,
(36:49):
two hundred something votes. I mean it was like if
you got a you know, a rotary club or your
buddies to show up and cast their votes, it would
have changed the election. Right, It's really tight sometimes. So
when you look at things like the effort to make
sure that there are still illegals on the voter rolls
in Virginia, why why Yeah, something is something is going
(37:11):
on here, And I think that this is this is
showing you that there's definitely bad faith from Democrats in
this stuff. Remember the Democrat the first Democrat line is
always there is no voter fraud, and they just say this.
This is their mantra. And then when you pretty say
well what about what about this person went to prison
for voter fraud? What about this case with a conviction
(37:31):
for voter fraud? They go, oh, fine, well there's not
like widespread voter fraud. You say, what enforcement do we
really have for this? How often do we even catch
people engaged in this? Those are the questions they really
don't want you thinking about. Take Simmer calls here eight
hundred two two eight A two. We'll also get into
Kamala's last minute pitch to black voters, particularly black mail voters,
(37:57):
to shore up her support with them. And I believe
she's speaking to Charlemagne the God today in Detroit. That's
going on today, So that's part of that effort. So
we'll get into this here in just a moment. You know,
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Speaker 1 (39:36):
We've got our friend Ryan Gradusky joining us to break
down the numbers where this race stands. He is the
author of the National Populist newsletter on Substack. Go check
it out, they'll become a subscriber. I am one Ryan,
Good to have you back, man. Can you can I
jump into one thing first before we do Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
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It's is this is this true about Detroit? Have you
seen this floating around that Detroit's early ballots forty percent
of them have already been returned for Democrats of the
of the number outstanding or is this just like internet stuff?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well it's not, so it's not for Democrats. It's forty
percent returns. Michigan is one of the states that doesn't
have registration by party, so we have no idea who
was turning them in, whether they be Republican.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
But I mean it's going to be like eighty percent
Democrat votes probably, right, I mean, just because it's Detroit, probably.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I mean, if it's the city of Detroit itself, it's
probably like ninety five percent. I mean, it's close to
ninety five percent. Yeah, it's almost monolithic Democratic.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Is that is that, you know, suspicious or is that
they've got a good ground game Republicans wake up? What
is that?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I mean in Pennsylvania, out of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Montgomery County.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Remember Montgomery's a.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Very very wealthy, white suburban county, Democrats have a thirty
six percent turnout so far. I mean, it's not completely unreasonable.
They would have a forty percent, especially if they're going
to apartment buildings, the projects, Section eight housing or whatever
and saying here's your repency ballot, give me, fill it out,
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give back to me, and they're block walking. It's not
impossible if they've got a really good ground game to execute.
You have to also remember, though, as much as people
are getting anxiety about this, and yeah, this is a
their number early out for Detroit, the population of Detroit
is shrinking.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
There are six.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Thousand fewer people there than there were four years ago.
There's over ten thousand people if you were there than were.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Eight years ago.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
So yeah, it's a lot of people, but there are
less people. They are period to go vote, but they are,
they're showing up, and Republicans need to act so like
this is an election, because oh, in Pennsylvania, Democrats are
having a really strong election day turnout was an early
ballot turn now early early election of vote turn out
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much much higher than Republicans. There are twenty four counties
in Pennsylvania right now where over ten percent of all
all right, Democrats have already voted. There is not a
single county in Pennsylvania where over ten.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Percent of Republicans have voted.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
And it's not that they're not requesting the ballot. They are,
they're keeping a pace with it. Over the weekend, there's
forty one thousand Democrats who requested a ballot and forty
thousand Republicans, which is really excellent for Republicans because they
never keep pace with absentee ballot requests. But they're just
not handing them in. I don't know if they think
that it counts just to get the ballot mailed to you,
(42:39):
but the requests or maybe they're not being mailed to
them yet in small rural counties, but the requests are
very very high for Republicans.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
The return rate is very very poor.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So now tell me this, what's what's the good news
the bad news situation for the GOP right now in
Pennsylvania as we talk here October fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Well, the good news Penn's saving is that the absenty
ballot requests people who are asking for a ballot request
is very high. It's almost five hundred thousand, and it's
almost two hundred thousand larger than twenty twenty two. If
twenty twenty is the APEC's highest amount of apste bows,
we're going to see mostly because of COVID. Republicans are
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a little more than a quarter of a million. They're
two hundred and seventy six thousand absentee ballot requests, less
than twenty twenty. Democrats are still over nine hundred thousand
less than twenty twenty. I mean, Republicans are requesting the ballads.
The bad part of it is burning the ballots. Now.
In part that's because big Blue County is like Allegheny
(43:43):
where Pittsburgh is, Philadelphia and Montgomery got their started their
ballot process much earlier than the other counties in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's county by county that decides.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
What dates they're going to start counting the ballots and
receiving the ballots. One small county still is still not
accepting ballots or is a small Republican that's besides the point.
So they are so Republicans are keeping up with the
Apstente ballot requests, they are not returning them at the
same rate. Thirty six percent of all Democrats have returned
their ballots in only twenty six percent of Republicans.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Of times, do you think, Ryan, there's a chance that
a lot of those who requested the absentee ballot who
are on the Republican side want to hand it in
in person. So that just means it's going to be slower,
like they want to go to the polling place. Or
is that wishful thinking?
Speaker 4 (44:28):
That's part no, I mean that could be that could one.
You have until election You only have until the twenty
ninth to request a ballot. In Pennsylvania. You have till
the twenty second or to the twenty first to request
to register to vote, but you have until the twenty
until the twenty ninth to mail your ballot, so to
request the ballot, So they could very well just show
up on election day and give it in. It also
(44:49):
may mean that these are lower propensity voters who are
just slower. They put their ballot next to their electric
bill and they're going to get to them both at
the end of the month, and it doesn't mean the
world to them. What we we have seen in Virginia
and Pennsylvania. Now in Georgia, today is election day, the
first day of we're seeing these big blue precincts have
a good breaking turnout. We saw it in Virginia, we
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saw it in Pennsylvania, and now today we're seeing it
in Georgia where blue preescincts, blue counties are just exploding
with first day voting registration. They just broke the record
today or they're about to break the record today in Georgia,
mostly by Democrats going to vote. Is that they're in
vote the first for the first day. But we saw
after a few days that tampers off, They do slow
(45:33):
down because you can only go vote, so oh you're
only supposed to go vote once, but you can only
go vote once. So the numbers are declining after the
first you know day of this huge search. Now that
could be your MSNBC view or your your person who
is you know, reading the nation and lives to hate
Donald Trump and they just have to go vote the
(45:53):
second they possibly can. And as that time you know,
drifts away. You're having lower pen city voter sit they're
in show up, but that's not guaranteed. So Republicans need
to get those lower preenthsity voters out there. That chase,
that Republican chase of those absentee ballots in Pennsylvania is
really really essential right now because they are they are
(46:13):
requesting them, but they're not training them.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Metpaest speaking of Ryan Gardowski National Populist News Lose letter
on substack is Hayes highly recommended to you if you
really want to be up on the politics. Ryan battleground Wisconsin.
Take me into that on the presidential and the Senate
side of things. What do we know from the data
so far? How's it looking?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
So there are there are there is no party registration
in Wisconsin, so we don't know Republican versus Democrats. Anyone
who's saying such and such percentage of Republicans are voting
versus as XNX wife of Democrats. They are making it
out there using analytics like target Smart. I don't trust
those things as they are wrong nine times out of ten,
So just don't get excited by any of that information.
(46:54):
Well we are seeing is so far, about two hundred
thousand people in Wisconsin have voted, which is a high
number or they're getting out early. The biggest counties are
obviously Milwaukee and Dane County. They are showing up with
about fifty six thousand out of two hundred thousand votes,
so twenty five percent are coming out of the two
the Lewis counties. But there is a lot of parts
(47:16):
of like Waukeshaw, which did go for Trump in the
last two elections. Waukesha has a good early turnout of
seventeen thousand. Nosha has which also went for Trump the
last two elections. They have a turnout of six thousand.
That's a decent turnout for Kenosha. I can't pronounce half
of these other place, so I'm not going to insult
the people Wisconsin by pretending to pronounce your city's names.
(47:37):
But they're so far seeing some decent turn out of
the rurals, very high turnout out of the major blue areas.
The polling looks very good in Wisconsin. You had Senator
Tammy Baldwin about a week and a half ago lead
to The Wall Street Journal that Kamala is losing in
her internals by three points in Wisconsin, and there was
I think poll today having the election tied for Tammy
(47:59):
Balwin US Senate seat. They are very, very, very bullish
on Wisconsin. Republicans are right now. Democrats are worried because
if she if Kamala loses North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin,
she loses the election. Now she loses Pennsylvania and even.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Wins Arizona doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
But the path of the Sunbolt plus Wisconsin is very real,
and Republicans are very ambitious. And there are a couple
of smaller counties that are showing up in decent amounts
to sit there and return their ballots, half of which
I cannot pronounce because they are Wisconsin names.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I want to ask you what you know on both
sides of this, but take them one at a time, right,
So first off, what what do you think is the
single most positive indicator for Trump at this point in
this cycle? And then what is the thing that concerns
you the most for Trump at this point in the cycle.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
We momentum with polls, for sure. We so the over
the weekend we saw the NBC News poll which which
has them as a tie, which literally my jaw hit
the floor because I figured it would be you know,
kamalapus five, because that's how that pole usually goes. ABC
Washington Post saw a four point jump for Trump and
Trump's direction. NBC was five points. Those are not Republican
(49:09):
leaning polls at all. That is a very polling information.
And what I said to a top person on the
Trump campaign, what's different now than in twenty twenty two
when there was this, you know, mirage of good polling
out of blue states at the very end, and we said, oh,
maybe Oscar win, maybe this person's win. Those polls were
almost entirely made up of Republican leaning pollsters.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And I like the people like at trifog or an
insider advantage, but that is that was who was saying
they're they're up by and they weren't. But the other pollsters,
like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal and
Emerson were all saying no, no, they're losing. If you
look at polls now right now in Pennsylvania, specifically the
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, Susquehanna Maris, Washington Post, Molenberg, Emerson,
(49:56):
They're all saying Trump's in elite in Pennsylvania. Those are
not part artists in Republican polls, So that is good.
The bad thing right now on the negative side for
Trump is just the early vote. Democrats are hoping to
build such a substantial firewall going into this election that
come election Day, if they have seven eight hundred thousand
(50:16):
votes banked from the early vote in Pennsylvania, banked in Wisconsin,
banked in Michigan, it's not going to really matter because
there just won't be enough people. Remember, there's always a
guy or the woman who intends to vote and their
car breaks down, their kids crying, they forget, they get
a doubleish ship, and they forget to vote, but they
put it off to election day. They Democrats know that,
and they play for a month of early voting. Republicans
(50:40):
are only starting to do that, and right now it's
showing that they're keeping up with the intention to go
vote early, but they have yet to do it. They
could still, there's still time. It's not over, but they
have to sit there and start handing these.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Ballots in Yeah, early voting isever. I mean, we really
I feel like we're shifting Ryan from the battle of
polls to the battle of ballots. Really fast here where. Okay,
the polls give us a sense, but at the end
of the day, it's ballot collection operations and you know,
ballot in places that allow it, ballot harvesting, all these
things that could make all the difference any place that
(51:12):
you see on the map where you're not saying Trump
will win, but you think Trump could pull out a surprise,
meaning like a Virginia, anything like that that's in the
mix in your mind. Or is it really just the big.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Ones, not statewide. But the numbers that are very surprising
are like in Orange County, California, which has four important
congressional elections in a single county, Republicans are turning in
apt toy ballots at the same rate as Democrats were
opposed to four years ago. They were way way way beyond.
Places like that are very very interesting where you're seeing
(51:47):
some information and where you're seeing some signs of Republicans
really fighting in these deep blue areas, and that could
matter a lot for the House race and possibly the
Senate race. But as far as the why going, we
basically know the same seven states. I doubt it would.
It would be an act of God. For like May
New Hampshire Virginia, Minnesota, or New Mexico to flip though
(52:10):
you know, weirder things have happened. But I'm not especially
looking at those places for a big surprise. I'm more
interested right now in the congressional elections. There was a
poll today by Emerson University in Connecticut's fifth district, which
is north northwest Connecticut. This is a district that barely
went Democrat in twenty twenty two for the House race.
(52:30):
It shows that Trump is winning the House race there
and Democrats and Republicans are in the.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Margin of error. So you could see a house seat.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Flipping Connecticut, which would be gigantic to add more new
England Republicans. Besides poor Susan Collins's by herself. What do
you those are the things that I'm interested in.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
What do you think about Senate final Senate makeup? Are
we looking at fifty three Republicans?
Speaker 4 (52:51):
We're looking at at least fifty one. I do think
that Bernie Marino should be able to pull it off.
Ted Cruz will get through by the skin of his
teeth and us the skin.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
We have Ted on tomorrow, what is going on there?
I mean, we're going to talk to Senator Cruz about this,
but I hate that. I feel like Democrats always pull
this sleeper move. You know, they come in from the
side door and all of a sudden they're trying to
steal something in Texas. How did this happen?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Well, I mean Ted Cruz has an issue where he
has very difficult likability issues in parts of Texas. And
Trump is doing especially well among Hispanics in South Texas.
And from what I have heard from certain people is
that Ted Cruz is not getting There's a lot of
people who are voting for Trump and then not voting
(53:36):
for Ted Cruz. Wow, And that is Ted Cruz's big
problem right now. He doesn't have the love of a
lot of people who are voting for Trump. And also
you have the suburbificated suburbanization of Dallas and Houston and Austin,
and as those suburbs continue to grow, they will bluin
out the entire state. A lot of immigrants, a lot
(53:56):
of Californians, a lot of Colorado's and they are making
the whole air more blue by moving there. So that's
just I mean, he has a difficulty down ballad. They
are a lot of lot of people in Texas who
are otherwise Democrats who love Donald Trump, who are not
warmed up to Ted Cruz and he is fighting for
his life down there. I mean, he's got a little
(54:17):
bit of an advantage, but it's not a it's not
John Cornyn's you know, eleven point victory just two years ago.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So it looks like the one bit of advice for
this audience, Ryan, where you can vote early right, bank
those votes.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Yes, go vote early. Just get it over with, Go vote,
and bring your cousin who always has an excuse why
they're three hours late, to go vote as well.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Ryan Graduski of the National Populist Newsletter on substack. Ryan,
great to have you man, Thanks again, Thank you. Prize picks. Look,
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Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now. I am solo today.
Clay gave me the con He is out with our
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(00:24):
last night here in New York City, and I'll just
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there would be multiple eagles and that he is a
better looking version of Rory McElroy. So I don't know.
I'm just saying I think he's talking a big game
(00:46):
about his golf game. But no, seriously, he misses you all.
He's going to be doing some great stuff with Taalata
Towers today and tonight. So it's just me. We got
a lot of news to get to, a lot to
discuss here. The Kamal campaign looking for a shift in momentum.
They're doing everything they possibly can at this stage because
(01:09):
the numbers say they are losing. We'll talk to her
from Ryan Gerdusky in the second hour about that exactly.
You know, Ryan, he's our unofficial but semi official numbers guy.
He'll join us talk about where the polls stand on
this one, so we'll get a really good sense in
those battleground states of what's going on, who's up, who's down,
and how can the gap be closed. Also, Ali, Beth
(01:32):
Stuckey will be back on the program. She's got a
book out, Toxic Empathy. That'll be third hour.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Ali.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We're looking forward to having her join us. So let's
do the Kamala campaign. Let's also talk about Speaker Johnson
went on CBS talking about We're not gonna play this
clip right now, We're gonna do Kamala. I'm just I'm
just laying it out everybody. Don't worry. The board is like,
what's going on. It's like cotton, my con do it.
He's calling too many clips. I can't. I need more power. No,
(02:03):
but I'm just letting you know where we're going. We
got an amazing truth moment here on CBS coming up
in a bit where the Speaker of the House has
the full answer and the CBS answer. We'll get there.
Glenn Youngkin, I like young Kin, I gotta tell you.
I don't know, maybe it's maybe it's the you know,
the the way the guy wears the dad vests. You know,
(02:25):
he's just the guy's got game, right, he's uh, I
think he's got a he's got a big future. Well,
he was already the CEO of the Carlisle Group, so
I guess his future could just be fly fishing. But
we're going to uh get into how he is trying
to clear voter rolls of self identified illegals and get
ready for this, the Biden DOJ is stopping him from
(02:48):
doing that. So people are like, hello, I am illegal.
I don't know if they say it just like that,
but they're like, hello, I am illegal. And then they say, okay, well,
since you legally cannot vote, we know that much right,
we're gonna take you off the voter rolls. Biden's DOJ
says no. Civil Rights division of the DJ which is
the social Justice Division of the DOJ, says no. So
(03:10):
we're gonna get into that too. But I did want
to start off here with where things are. Kamala Harris
might be curious, but I did get to watch some
of Morning Joe this morning just down the street from me,
here in New York. I almost guys, can I get
into live studio audience? You think, I don't think they
would know. I'll just sneak in there. I'll put on
my Morning Joe glasses and swoop my hair back and
(03:30):
just be like, hey, everybody, I just got back from
Nantucket too, love Morning Joe. They won't know I'll wear
I'll wear the zip vest, the zip sweater. I mean,
they won't know quarter zip. You know, talk about how
I'm in a band. Also, you know he's in a band, right,
you can check. You could google it. So Morning Joe.
They were in full panic freak out mode about not
(03:52):
the Kamala is losing, but the focus of the Morning
segment was that Donald Trump is hitler and going to
use the military to go after his opponents. I'm telling
you this is where it is now. Their last their
last ditch effort to turn things around, isn't Kamala. Harris
(04:12):
has interesting ideas that that are achievable, that will make
your life better, That will make it easier for you
to pay your bills, that will increase your you know,
safety and security in your community. That will create a
secure border. No, no, no, no, none of that stuff. I'm
sure this will come up tomorrow on the Brett Bear
(04:33):
Interview on Fox.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
The last argument that they're offering up really is that
Kamala Harris wants you to know that Donald Trump is
a fascist and will use the military. This is cut forward.
Play it, oh or or no?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I think I think we had a little bit of
a of a pause here. There we go.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
He's talking about the enemy within our country Pennsylvania. He's
talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him
or who will not bend to his will.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
An enemy of our country.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
It's a serious issue he's saying. He is saying that
he would use the military to go after them.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Can I just say that she is complaining about the
rhetoric that the Trump side is using while saying that
Trump is a fascist who will use the military against
his opponents. She's complaining about the rhetoric that Donald Trump
is using. After he got shot in the ear and
(05:55):
then some other guy, some leftist, you know, big Ukraine supporter, lunatic,
also tried to shoot the president of the former president
and hopefully future president of the United States. And they
see no disconnect here, No irony there's no problem. They
don't have any issue with just that you're a hitler,
(06:16):
you're going to destroy the country, and you really need
to tone down the political rhetoric. What how is that
supposed to work? And I mean, can you imagine for
a second if a Democrat had had taken a bullet
really grazing the base of the skull, because that's what
getting shot in the ear is, and and had multiple
(06:37):
criminal prosecutions against that Democrat by a Republican DJ and
that each one of those prosecutions is preposterous. Every one
of the cases brought against Donald Trump is alleging things
that are either non criminal or that he is not
guilty of. All of them, all of them, and some
(06:59):
of you have on the Bill Marshaw, I tried to
in the overtime segment. I tried to get in this.
I said, you know, they've got all of a sudden,
he's running for president. They've got multiple civil cases against him,
They've got four criminal cases. I'm not kidding you. The
other smart people at the table. Again, I appreciate Bill,
he had me on a show and he's got some
hoodspu to do so. But the other people there were
(07:20):
two others, they're like, yeah, no, that's just coincidence. Really, guys,
we're gonna go. He's almost eighty years old, four criminal
prosecutions ongoing at the same time. We couldn't get through
one of them before the election year. They all had
to wait until the election year. Sure, that makes a
(07:41):
lot of sense. It was meant to tie him down,
you know, like Gulliver with the Lilliputians, and just just
tying him down so he can't run for office. And
they're living in a fantasy world. Honestly, they're living in
some alternate universe, which I find quite scary. And the
people who are saying tone down the political rhetoric are
(08:01):
also the people who are are telling us that Donald
Trump is a fascist. Oh and they actually want to
put him in prison. He go has.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Called for the quote termination of the Constitution of the
United States.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Well, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, because see here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
The courts will handle that.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Let's handle November, shall we.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
November?
Speaker 7 (08:42):
November?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
First of all Democrats. If I have to hear that
voice for four years, I will never forgive you. I
will never forgive you. I just want I know that
Democrats don't care, but the same way that I am
forever bidder about Fauci and Masks, and I'm never letting
it go, and it's never going to be okay. I
will just early. Having to hear Kamala's voice for four
years is cruel and unusual punishment, and we all know it.
(09:07):
But notice her audience. You want to talk about where
the political rhetorica is going, Her audience is chanting lock
him up, while there are actual criminal trials underway meant
to lock him up, one of which he has already
been found guilty in the most absurd one for a
business records issue. I don't even think it's a business
(09:30):
records error because I don't see the error. I think
it was fine what he did. But there's no there's
no crime, there's no there's no victim, there's no damage.
You might have seen in the they're taking now the
Trump the judgment against Trump Trump Organization to the appellate
court after the three hundred and fifty some odd million
(09:53):
dollar judgment plus the interest and everything is basically like
a half a billion dollar judgment against the Trump Corp.
For And you know I've seen this one of the
judges goes, hold on a second. So you're telling me
that mar A Lago, you're expert at ma who this
is for the government side, the anti Trump side thinks
mar Laco is worth eighteen million dollars, which I just
(10:15):
tell you right now, if you've driven through Palm Beach,
you can't buy a guesthouse in Palm Beach for eighteen
million dollars. These days, I mean Palm Beach, it is
probably the most expensive real estate market in the country
per square foot. It's certainly in like the top five
or ten. I mean, it is crazy pricey. Okay, the
idea that you can have a sprawling mansion slash club
(10:38):
with what with what mar A Lago has for eighteen
million dollars is preposterous. It does fifty million dollars a
year in revenue. So so somebody explained to me, you
have an asset which is just the the property itself,
which is doing tens of millions of dollars in revenue
with the the fees and you know, the restaurants and everything,
(10:59):
and you're valuing that at eighteen million dollars. This is
this is idiot stuff. This isn't I disagree oh, we
could find a way in the middle. This is living
on another planet. Put five hundred million dollar when you
have to add in the penalties and stuff, and honestly,
the number it's hundreds of millions of dollars. Who cares
whether it's for seventy two point five or this is
what they're doing to Trump. And so you've got this
(11:21):
lunatic audience that is yelling that Trump should be locked
up and Kamala Harris, Oh, yeah, she's taking the high road.
Trump's a fascist, but I mean, you know, we want
to see what happens in the election. He's hitler, but
you know, let's not be too mean. They really there's
like a schizophrenia in the Kamala campaign. Kamala's campaign is schitzo.
(11:45):
There's something wrong here. And it's not even just on
Trump and whether he should be locked up. She's positioned
herself as the candidate of change. How can you be
the change you're a sitting vice president. This would be
like Biden if he was still harsh. Not a joke,
you know here, I am it's going to be four
very different years from Biden. I can assure you with
(12:06):
that that Biden guy's not going to get away with
it again, I mean, would Biden do that? Perhaps because
you know, scrambled eggs. We don't really know what's going on.
Point here, I think quite clear. The Kamala campaign is
claiming that Trump is dangerous when they're dangerous. They're claiming
that Trump is undermining democracy and our system of government.
(12:27):
When they've weaponized democracy and our system of government against
a candidate who is now winning. How is that going
to look for them? I will tell you this, I
can't predict the future. I do think Donald Trump will
win this election. But I know no one can predict
the future. That is a fact. This much. I do know, though,
if Donald Trump wins, If I'm right and Donald Trump
(12:48):
wins this election, all of the anxiety, the emotional collapse,
the screaming at the sky, the drowning their sorrows in
chief chardonnay of the Democrats, and the funerals they will
be having for our democracy on Morning Joe and on
CNN and all these other things will be richly deserved.
(13:09):
And I will feel not an ounce of sympathy for them.
And the great part about it is not only do
they deserve all that emotional trauma, which they do, the
country's going to be fine. It'll be better. So I
can feel like a very good person saying they've earned
the emotional trauma and the country will be in better
hands under Donald Trump, that it will be under Kamala
and they even get the benefit of it, you know
(13:29):
what I mean. So it's really justice in the most
fulsome sense. It would really be fair play. Trump wins,
the country actually starts to get better and move in
the right direction, and they all cry about it, but
you know, World War three is not going to break
out because we've got an idiot running the country. I
(13:50):
know that they disagree with all this, but they're also
wrong about everything. We'll get into some more of this.
I've got some great stuff here with youngkins throw down
over the voter rolls, and then also what they did
at CBA. I mean, CBS has provda on the Potomac.
I know people have said that about Washington Post, same thing.
It's so dishonest, and I don't think that. I just
(14:11):
don't think Republicans she even go on anymore. That's kind
of where I am on it. So we'll discuss that
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Speaker 1 (15:57):
Welcome back in everybody. We're joined by Ali Beth Stucky
notebook Toxic Empathy. How progressives exploit Christian compassion ale grit
To have you back on the show.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I actually can of ask you before we get into
toxic empathy. I don't know if you saw I was
on Bill Maher. We talked about toxic masculinity, which is
also just known to democrats as masculinity. Seems to me
like hating men might have electoral consequences. What do you think, oh,
you know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
What, I think the tide is turning in on that book.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, you saw that amazing ad where they had
those six or five really macho guys that were complete
manly men, totally organic support of Kamala Harris there. I'm
sure that probably even made you question whether or not
you were going to vote for Donald Trump just based
on their manly men at alone. And so I don't know,
(16:56):
I think Democrats have basically nailed this whole masculinity thing
based on what I'm seeing from kamalaw Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, when they said that they had that one guy
who said I eat carburetors for breakfast, I was like,
no guy who has ever even opened the hood of
a car ever in his life says I eat carburetors
for breakfast.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, you know, I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I won't even pretend to know what that means. But
I don't think it's something you're supposed to digest.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I'm pretty gather that that's pretty that's pretty fair toxic empathy.
Let's dive into this actually, because I think you see
this a lot with the way the Democrat campaign is
going right now. I mean, you talk about in the book,
there's five primary lies and you have them listed as lies.
Abortion is healthcare is one of the centerpieces of Kamala's campaign,
(17:42):
but also really got the Democrat Party overall. There are
some of us ollly who worry that if Kamala is
able to squeak across the finish line, is it just
because of this issue and its resonance? What do you
make of it?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You know, people say that this is such an unpopular
issue for Republicans, that being pro life is an unpopular position,
But it's really that the lies that are constructed by
the pro abortion side, the billion dollar lobby that they
have over there, those might be popular, but the truth
about what abortion is is not actually popular, which is
(18:17):
exactly why Kamala Harris's campaign and the Democrats actually rely
on euphemisms. They rely on deceit to push their point
across and to take this across the finish line. That's
why they're conflating miscarriages, which is a tragic incident that happens,
you know, not by the fault of anyone, an abortion,
which is the purposeful killing of a child. They're trying
(18:39):
to tell you that voting for Kamala is going to
protect miscarriage care. They're trying to say that this is
saving the lives of women by supporting Kamala Harris. They're
not actually saying, hey, abortion is great. Here is how
it works, this is what you should vote for. Because
they understand that the barbarism that is abortion is actually
(19:00):
very unpopular, so they have to lie and use this
toxic empathy to manipulate people.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It also bothers me ally, because I think that there's
a general trend among Democrats and this is something that
I think that Trump right has recognized and effectively refuses
to play the game by these rules where they try
to use your decency, your sense of kindness, and your
sense of getting along with your fellow Americans as a
(19:27):
weapon against you. I know that's something you get into
in toxic empathy.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Oh yeah, that's the perfect way to say it. Because
most of us, especially those of us who are Christians,
we have not only a natural but a spiritual inclination
towards helping those who need help and lifting others up.
And we're naturally compassionate, especially women. We're natural nurtures. That
empathy muscle is really strong, and that can be used
(19:53):
in a really good way. The problem is when it's
exploited for toxic or harmful me and how toxic empathy
is employed. They take your natural compassion towards someone that
they hoist up as a victim. Say it's an illegal immigrant,
Say it's a poor woman who is pregnant, and they
take you through this heart bending story and by they,
(20:15):
I mean the left wing media, and they lead you
to the conclusion that the only righteous, compassionate, and moral
position to take is the progressive one. So if you
really love women, then you will support her choice to
have an abortion.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
If you really love.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The immigrant and the sojourner and the foreigner, then you
will open up the border. And it goes like that
on every issue, whether it's criminal justice or whether it's
the transgender issue. They pull at your heart strings and
make you think that the only righteous position to take
is theirs, and unfortunately that dupes a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Well, I think we've seen that progression ali, particularly on
the trans rights issue, which has moved very, very aggressively
in recent years. Sitting under the Biden administration. Right Biden's
supposed to be the old school blue dog Democrat or
whatever Biden Whitehouse was putting out stuff about gender transition
for teenagers and how this is medical care and all this.
(21:10):
But if you go back and look at that progression,
it starts out with just what's the big deal? Just
use the preferred pronouns. Don't be a jerk, use the
preferred prouns. What's the big deal, don't be a jerk.
Let the guy who says he's a girl use the
locker room. What's it to you if somebody who's actually
a guy, you know, competes on the girls sports team, right?
I mean, at every stage, it's you don't want to
(21:30):
make this person feel bad, you don't want to be unkind,
and then it turns into federal policy.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
It always starts out with, well, how does this hurt you?
And I know this is controversial to say, even among
some conservative audiences, but it goes back further than the pronouns.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It goes back to a Bergefell.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It goes back to redefining marriage because love is love
is the same math as trans women are women. It's
the same kind of circular mantra that goes into the
idea that men and women are inner changeable, that there's
nothing special about male and female husband and wife, mom
and dad. These are just social constructs that we can exchange,
(22:09):
interchange as we see fit. And that's how we got
this idea that a man can become a woman and
vice versa.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
It capitalizes on our desire to not be seen as bad,
to not be seen as rude, to not be seen
as a Karen, to be tolerant, to be loving, and
then once they've gotten in with that kind of emotional manipulation,
they can go a little bit further, in a little
bit further until you're saying, well, the empathetic and loving
and righteous thing to do it's to subsidize child sex changes.
(22:41):
And unfortunately that's where we are. But hopefully we can
call our way back with some good old fashioned truth.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well that's what I want to ask you. What is
the I know you're laying out and dissecting some of
the big lies that manipulate, and there really feels something
demonic about manipulating people's goodness as a means of getting
bad things to happen. Right, I mean that it seems
very I don't know, luciferian, but how do you try
(23:09):
to fortify people for the fight ahead on issues like this,
and how do you deal with that. I'm a good person.
I want to be a good person, but that doesn't
mean just going along with whatever moral blackmail the left
is offering.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, so I wanted to make the argument not that, hey, empathetic,
empathy might seem tempting, but don't be empathetic. And sure,
being progressive is compassionate, but don't be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
That's not the route that I take in the book.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I actually give a lot of credit to the heartstring
pulling strategy that the left very often employees to get
people to vote for them. But then I look at
the other side of the story. So I tell a
story from their perspective of an illegal alien who fled
here from Mexico with her children got deported. Obviously, the
Washington Post when they told that story they wanted us
(24:03):
to be against deportation. But then I tell an equally
heartrending story of Kate Steinley, who, of course was shot
in the back by an illegal alien in San Francisco,
thirty two years old, died in her dad's arm, saying
help me, daddy, that was a preventable murder. She should
be alive today, She should be a mother married thriving,
but she's not because of the intentional and deliberate open.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Border policies that we have.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So there are people on both sides of every issue
that should get our empathy and compassion.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But then we have to ask ourselves what is true
and what is right? What is true and right morally?
What is true?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And write logically, scientifically, but also as a Christian what
is true and right biblically, and that should be our
guide in policy making, not how we feel.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Ali bethstucky everybody. She has this great book, Toxic Empathy
How Progressives exploit Christian compassion. You can see right here.
I've got my copy. I'm actually getting on a flight.
I'm gonna read it. Ali, thank you so much. Great
to have you.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (27:08):
All right, welcome back in team to Clay and Buck
and the battle over illegals on the voter rolls or
non citizens. I would think would mostly be illegals, right,
I don't know people on visas getting on the voter rules,
non citizens on the voter rules in Virginia. This should
be so straightforward, right, here's the deal. You have people
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that fill out forms, and on the forms they say
are you a US citizen or not? And somehow people
sometimes right, no, I'm not a US citizen, but they
still end up on the voter rules. This is another
thing too. Let me just say there's cheating that goes
on in elections. There's also and don't think some of
you say you're being naive. I'm not being naive. This
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is a fact. There's also just clerical errors and mistakes
that votes are counted that shouldn't be or you know
that happens too, right, So it's not just there's the
intentional misuse of our elections. And then there's also the
like it's the government and it screws up component of this.
So you got to put both of those on the
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table when you're thinking about election integrity, and both of
those can be a problem, especially in a super tight
election in some of these states, which we are going
to have. It is going to be very close in
a number of the states. The country is very polarized.
We all know that, but this is fascinating to me
because you're seeing something going on here Biden's DOJ in
(28:36):
the Civil Rights Division, which historically, and I mean like
the last twenty years historically, is basically where all the
social justice warriors and DOJ go, and they have a
very left wing view of the law, and especially a
very left wing view of things like the Voting Rights
Act and the way that our election should be conducted.
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But this you would think wouldn't be controversial. The governor,
very popular governor, also pretty handsome. Where's those vests? Very tall,
former basketball player. I'm just kidding. He's great. He's great.
He's not quite not quite as Clay would think Gavin
Newsom level, but he's a pretty striking fellow. No, he's
the governor of Virginia. He's doing very well, and he's
(29:20):
trying to get illegals off the voter roles. Okay, who
could have a problem with this Biden's DEJ. This is
what Glenn Younkin says about the situation. This is cut three.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
An individual starts the process by self identifying as a
non citizen, and therefore, as governor, I have an obligation,
no discretion, to then run the process to notify that
person through our registrar that they have fourteen days to
clear it up, and if they don't clear it up,
they're going to be removed from the voter roles. The
big question I have is, given the clarity of the
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constitutionality of what I just described, both at the federal
level and the state level, why is it that anyone
could argue that a process that removes non citizens off
of our voter roles is anything else other than common
sense and constitutional.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't think there's a good answer to that. These
are people who are self idea. They're saying, no, I
am not a US citizen, but somehow they're on the
voter roles, and he's saying we're taking them off the
voter rolls. Look, there's only a twenty something days until
the election and the Biden. Harris DOJ has filed this
lawsuit against the State of Virginia because the State of
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Virginia is continuing to engage in the enforcement of a
law that has been around since two thousand and six
and was signed into law by Democrat Governor Tim Kane.
So a Democrat governor signs a law. I'm trying to
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do the math now two thousand and six four for
eighteen eighteen years ago, no problems, no problems with this law,
and then suddenly, right before an election, they're doing what
they've been doing for almost twenty years, and they're saying, no, no,
it's within the quiet period. You can't do this because
it'll cause confusion. Who's going to be confused? The illegals
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who aren't supposed to vote, who have said I'm an illegal.
So this looks bad, doesn't it. I mean, if you're
being honest about this, what the heck is going on?
The best, or I should say, the least nefarious explanation
I can come up with. The least nefarious is that
this is just Biden's doj trying to stick it to
a Republican governor and trying to show that they take
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enforcement action about you know, voting and voting rights. Sure,
the more nefarious, and I'm sure a lot of you
think more realistic answers. They're hoping that there are least
mistakes illegals will vote. You say, oh, well, they won't
do that, because you know, then we'll go after them
and there'll be all these problems. A lot of people
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don't get caught, right, and also if they did get caught,
would they even be prosecuted. Think about it, some of
these people are going to be able to say, sorry,
I didn't know. I don't speak English very well. That
is the truth. And they've already brought this up to
some of these like left wing voting you know, voting
rights organizations in Virginia. They're like, well, that's the problem,
you see, because some of them are citizens, but they
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don't speak English well enough. I do wonder about this.
I'm a little surprised that Republicans don't make more of
an issue of this. First of all, English should be
the national language. English should be the national language. It
is not. People are going to say, yes, it is
buck it is actually not. Under law, English should be
the national language. Why does that matter? Well, one, linguistic
connection to your people is essential in a culture, in
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a society, in a polity, and beyond that, if someone
cannot speak English, well I do not want them voting.
If they cannot read English, well I do not want
them voting because it is impossible for them to understand
what is going on in our country. You should And
so when I say, well, I'm not talking about literacy tests,
but the ballots should be in English. It should be
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in English in New York. When I used to vote
in New York, I'm like, you know, pretty well traveled
and know a bunch of different languages a timey bit
at least I can at least identify them. Right, there
are languages. I'm like, what language is that? There's like
eighteen languages or something that the New York City ballots
are are put in. Well, you could say, oh, buck,
but that's not fair if somebody you know with there
(33:31):
are American citizens who if they don't speak English well
enough to be able to read a ballot in English,
is it? Is it really fair to have them voting?
And I'm not saying you have to take anyone's voting
rights away, you just have to say it's only in English.
This should only be an am I alone in this one?
This is where I start to think that people think
that I'm crazy. But because why isn't the right hammering
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this more? You see, the whole thing in Virginia comes
down to, oh, people don't know they read these forms.
There are mistake and their English isn't that good? Okay.
I'm not saying you have to be able to recite
Shakespeare from memory or something, but you know, presidential ballot.
Here are the candidates, Here are the parties. If you
cannot understand that in English, how am I to think
(34:15):
that you understand what's going on in the country. How
am I to think that you understand what the laws?
Actually laws aren't written in any other language. Okay, you know,
if you actually could try to find this stuff, you're
not going to find, you know, translations of all US
statute into tie of A. Maybe Google and AI and
stuff can do these things these days. But you know,
you cannot understand what politics means in America if you
(34:39):
don't speak English well enough to fill out a ballot.
So why do we have it in fifteen different languages
or whatever it is in New York and all these
other places too? And why do we create this situation
where you're basically saying, yeah, look, maybe some illegals will vote,
not like we could blame them for it because they
don't speak English well enough to know the difference. Ah, Okay,
(35:00):
And this is this is where I quote Naval Ravikant,
Importing voters is a loopoland democracy and bringing people from
all over the world and trying to get them through
whatever means. You can remember, they're they're counted illegals are
counter for the purposes of congressional apportion which is insane.
So their illegals are already magnifying the power of the
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Democrat state because they're all flocking to Democrat enclaves like
New York and Los Angeles, and that's where you have
the greatest concentrations of illegals in the whole country. New
York City's number one. I mean, try to get a
hotel in New York City, by the way, I mean,
I've I lived here in my whole life. I've been
to New York many times and say it in the hotels,
(35:42):
you know, over the last twenty years, it's more expensive
than it has ever been by far, by far, And
it is in large part because twenty percent of the
hotel capacity of the city is assigned to migrants. That
seems like a lot. That's that's that seems considerable, doesn't it.
(36:02):
But they don't want you to pay attention to this.
They don't want us to see what's really going on here.
They want the games to continue. There's no good faith
reason to oppose there's no good faith reason to oppose
removing illegals from the voter rules in Virginia. There's no
good faith reason. I mean, how nefarious it is, we'll see.
(36:25):
But you know, I asked Ryan Groduski about this Virginia. Look,
I think Democrats will probably win Virginia. I'm not. I
don't have blinders on about this stuff. But it could
be close, could be close. And when it's close, all
of a sudden, you know, a few hundred votes here
or there. Remember I think it was a Norm Coleman
running against Al frankin that race came down. That was
a Senate race that came down to one hundred something votes,
(36:49):
two hundred something votes. I mean it was like if
you got a you know, a rotary club or your
buddies to show up and cast their votes, it would
have changed the election. Right, It's really tight sometimes. So
when you look at things like the effort to make
sure that there are still illegals on the voter rolls
in Virginia, why why Yeah, something is something is going
(37:11):
on here, And I think that this is this is
showing you that there's definitely bad faith from Democrats in
this stuff. Remember the Democrat the first Democrat line is
always there is no voter fraud, and they just say this.
This is their mantra. And then when you pretty say
well what about what about this person went to prison
for voter fraud? What about this case with a conviction
(37:31):
for voter fraud? They go, oh, fine, well there's not
like widespread voter fraud. You say, what enforcement do we
really have for this? How often do we even catch
people engaged in this? Those are the questions they really
don't want you thinking about. Take Simmer calls here eight
hundred two two eight A two. We'll also get into
Kamala's last minute pitch to black voters, particularly black mail voters,
(37:57):
to shore up her support with them. And I believe
she's speaking to Charlemagne the God today in Detroit. That's
going on today, So that's part of that effort. So
we'll get into this here in just a moment. You know,
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Speaker 1 (39:36):
We've got our friend Ryan Gradusky joining us to break
down the numbers where this race stands. He is the
author of the National Populist newsletter on Substack. Go check
it out, they'll become a subscriber. I am one Ryan,
Good to have you back, man. Can you can I
jump into one thing first before we do Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
(39:57):
It's is this is this true about Detroit? Have you
seen this floating around that Detroit's early ballots forty percent
of them have already been returned for Democrats of the
of the number outstanding or is this just like internet stuff?
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Well it's not, so it's not for Democrats. It's forty
percent returns. Michigan is one of the states that doesn't
have registration by party, so we have no idea who
was turning them in, whether they be Republican.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
But I mean it's going to be like eighty percent
Democrat votes probably, right, I mean, just because it's Detroit, probably.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
I mean, if it's the city of Detroit itself, it's
probably like ninety five percent. I mean, it's close to
ninety five percent. Yeah, it's almost monolithic Democratic.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Is that is that, you know, suspicious or is that
they've got a good ground game Republicans wake up? What
is that?
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I mean in Pennsylvania, out of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Montgomery County.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Remember Montgomery's a.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Very very wealthy, white suburban county, Democrats have a thirty
six percent turnout so far. I mean, it's not completely unreasonable.
They would have a forty percent, especially if they're going
to apartment buildings, the projects, Section eight housing or whatever
and saying here's your repency ballot, give me, fill it out,
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give back to me, and they're block walking. It's not
impossible if they've got a really good ground game to execute.
You have to also remember, though, as much as people
are getting anxiety about this, and yeah, this is a
their number early out for Detroit, the population of Detroit
is shrinking.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
There are six.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Thousand fewer people there than there were four years ago.
There's over ten thousand people if you were there than were.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Eight years ago.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
So yeah, it's a lot of people, but there are
less people. They are period to go vote, but they are,
they're showing up, and Republicans need to act so like
this is an election, because oh, in Pennsylvania, Democrats are
having a really strong election day turnout was an early
ballot turn now early early election of vote turn out
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much much higher than Republicans. There are twenty four counties
in Pennsylvania right now where over ten percent of all
all right, Democrats have already voted. There is not a
single county in Pennsylvania where over ten.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Percent of Republicans have voted.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
And it's not that they're not requesting the ballot. They are,
they're keeping a pace with it. Over the weekend, there's
forty one thousand Democrats who requested a ballot and forty
thousand Republicans, which is really excellent for Republicans because they
never keep pace with absentee ballot requests. But they're just
not handing them in. I don't know if they think
that it counts just to get the ballot mailed to you,
(42:39):
but the requests or maybe they're not being mailed to
them yet in small rural counties, but the requests are
very very high for Republicans.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
The return rate is very very poor.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So now tell me this, what's what's the good news
the bad news situation for the GOP right now in
Pennsylvania as we talk here October fifteenth.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Well, the good news Penn's saving is that the absenty
ballot requests people who are asking for a ballot request
is very high. It's almost five hundred thousand, and it's
almost two hundred thousand larger than twenty twenty two. If
twenty twenty is the APEC's highest amount of apste bows,
we're going to see mostly because of COVID. Republicans are
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a little more than a quarter of a million. They're
two hundred and seventy six thousand absentee ballot requests, less
than twenty twenty. Democrats are still over nine hundred thousand
less than twenty twenty. I mean, Republicans are requesting the ballads.
The bad part of it is burning the ballots. Now.
In part that's because big Blue County is like Allegheny
(43:43):
where Pittsburgh is, Philadelphia and Montgomery got their started their
ballot process much earlier than the other counties in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's county by county that decides.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
What dates they're going to start counting the ballots and
receiving the ballots. One small county still is still not
accepting ballots or is a small Republican that's besides the point.
So they are so Republicans are keeping up with the
Apstente ballot requests, they are not returning them at the
same rate. Thirty six percent of all Democrats have returned
their ballots in only twenty six percent of Republicans.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Of times, do you think, Ryan, there's a chance that
a lot of those who requested the absentee ballot who
are on the Republican side want to hand it in
in person. So that just means it's going to be slower,
like they want to go to the polling place. Or
is that wishful thinking?
Speaker 4 (44:28):
That's part no, I mean that could be that could one.
You have until election You only have until the twenty
ninth to request a ballot. In Pennsylvania. You have till
the twenty second or to the twenty first to request
to register to vote, but you have until the twenty
until the twenty ninth to mail your ballot, so to
request the ballot, So they could very well just show
up on election day and give it in. It also
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may mean that these are lower propensity voters who are
just slower. They put their ballot next to their electric
bill and they're going to get to them both at
the end of the month, and it doesn't mean the
world to them. What we we have seen in Virginia
and Pennsylvania. Now in Georgia, today is election day, the
first day of we're seeing these big blue precincts have
a good breaking turnout. We saw it in Virginia, we
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saw it in Pennsylvania, and now today we're seeing it
in Georgia where blue preescincts, blue counties are just exploding
with first day voting registration. They just broke the record
today or they're about to break the record today in Georgia,
mostly by Democrats going to vote. Is that they're in
vote the first for the first day. But we saw
after a few days that tampers off, They do slow
(45:33):
down because you can only go vote, so oh you're
only supposed to go vote once, but you can only
go vote once. So the numbers are declining after the
first you know day of this huge search. Now that
could be your MSNBC view or your your person who
is you know, reading the nation and lives to hate
Donald Trump and they just have to go vote the
(45:53):
second they possibly can. And as that time you know,
drifts away. You're having lower pen city voter sit they're
in show up, but that's not guaranteed. So Republicans need
to get those lower preenthsity voters out there. That chase,
that Republican chase of those absentee ballots in Pennsylvania is
really really essential right now because they are they are
(46:13):
requesting them, but they're not training them.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Metpaest speaking of Ryan Gardowski National Populist News Lose letter
on substack is Hayes highly recommended to you if you
really want to be up on the politics. Ryan battleground Wisconsin.
Take me into that on the presidential and the Senate
side of things. What do we know from the data
so far? How's it looking?
Speaker 4 (46:32):
So there are there are there is no party registration
in Wisconsin, so we don't know Republican versus Democrats. Anyone
who's saying such and such percentage of Republicans are voting
versus as XNX wife of Democrats. They are making it
out there using analytics like target Smart. I don't trust
those things as they are wrong nine times out of ten,
So just don't get excited by any of that information.
(46:54):
Well we are seeing is so far, about two hundred
thousand people in Wisconsin have voted, which is a high
number or they're getting out early. The biggest counties are
obviously Milwaukee and Dane County. They are showing up with
about fifty six thousand out of two hundred thousand votes,
so twenty five percent are coming out of the two
the Lewis counties. But there is a lot of parts
(47:16):
of like Waukeshaw, which did go for Trump in the
last two elections. Waukesha has a good early turnout of
seventeen thousand. Nosha has which also went for Trump the
last two elections. They have a turnout of six thousand.
That's a decent turnout for Kenosha. I can't pronounce half
of these other place, so I'm not going to insult
the people Wisconsin by pretending to pronounce your city's names.
(47:37):
But they're so far seeing some decent turn out of
the rurals, very high turnout out of the major blue areas.
The polling looks very good in Wisconsin. You had Senator
Tammy Baldwin about a week and a half ago lead
to The Wall Street Journal that Kamala is losing in
her internals by three points in Wisconsin, and there was
I think poll today having the election tied for Tammy
(47:59):
Balwin US Senate seat. They are very, very, very bullish
on Wisconsin. Republicans are right now. Democrats are worried because
if she if Kamala loses North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin,
she loses the election. Now she loses Pennsylvania and even.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Wins Arizona doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
But the path of the Sunbolt plus Wisconsin is very real,
and Republicans are very ambitious. And there are a couple
of smaller counties that are showing up in decent amounts
to sit there and return their ballots, half of which
I cannot pronounce because they are Wisconsin names.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
I want to ask you what you know on both
sides of this, but take them one at a time, right,
So first off, what what do you think is the
single most positive indicator for Trump at this point in
this cycle? And then what is the thing that concerns
you the most for Trump at this point in the cycle.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
We momentum with polls, for sure. We so the over
the weekend we saw the NBC News poll which which
has them as a tie, which literally my jaw hit
the floor because I figured it would be you know,
kamalapus five, because that's how that pole usually goes. ABC
Washington Post saw a four point jump for Trump and
Trump's direction. NBC was five points. Those are not Republican
(49:09):
leaning polls at all. That is a very polling information.
And what I said to a top person on the
Trump campaign, what's different now than in twenty twenty two
when there was this, you know, mirage of good polling
out of blue states at the very end, and we said, oh,
maybe Oscar win, maybe this person's win. Those polls were
almost entirely made up of Republican leaning pollsters.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
And I like the people like at trifog or an
insider advantage, but that is that was who was saying
they're they're up by and they weren't. But the other pollsters,
like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal and
Emerson were all saying no, no, they're losing. If you
look at polls now right now in Pennsylvania, specifically the
Wall Street Journal, Fox News, Susquehanna Maris, Washington Post, Molenberg, Emerson,
(49:56):
They're all saying Trump's in elite in Pennsylvania. Those are
not part artists in Republican polls, So that is good.
The bad thing right now on the negative side for
Trump is just the early vote. Democrats are hoping to
build such a substantial firewall going into this election that
come election Day, if they have seven eight hundred thousand
(50:16):
votes banked from the early vote in Pennsylvania, banked in Wisconsin,
banked in Michigan, it's not going to really matter because
there just won't be enough people. Remember, there's always a
guy or the woman who intends to vote and their
car breaks down, their kids crying, they forget, they get
a doubleish ship, and they forget to vote, but they
put it off to election day. They Democrats know that,
and they play for a month of early voting. Republicans
(50:40):
are only starting to do that, and right now it's
showing that they're keeping up with the intention to go
vote early, but they have yet to do it. They
could still, there's still time. It's not over, but they
have to sit there and start handing these.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Ballots in Yeah, early voting isever. I mean, we really
I feel like we're shifting Ryan from the battle of
polls to the battle of ballots. Really fast here where. Okay,
the polls give us a sense, but at the end
of the day, it's ballot collection operations and you know,
ballot in places that allow it, ballot harvesting, all these
things that could make all the difference any place that
(51:12):
you see on the map where you're not saying Trump
will win, but you think Trump could pull out a surprise,
meaning like a Virginia, anything like that that's in the
mix in your mind. Or is it really just the big.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Ones, not statewide. But the numbers that are very surprising
are like in Orange County, California, which has four important
congressional elections in a single county, Republicans are turning in
apt toy ballots at the same rate as Democrats were
opposed to four years ago. They were way way way beyond.
Places like that are very very interesting where you're seeing
(51:47):
some information and where you're seeing some signs of Republicans
really fighting in these deep blue areas, and that could
matter a lot for the House race and possibly the
Senate race. But as far as the why going, we
basically know the same seven states. I doubt it would.
It would be an act of God. For like May
New Hampshire Virginia, Minnesota, or New Mexico to flip though
(52:10):
you know, weirder things have happened. But I'm not especially
looking at those places for a big surprise. I'm more
interested right now in the congressional elections. There was a
poll today by Emerson University in Connecticut's fifth district, which
is north northwest Connecticut. This is a district that barely
went Democrat in twenty twenty two for the House race.
(52:30):
It shows that Trump is winning the House race there
and Democrats and Republicans are in the.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Margin of error. So you could see a house seat.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Flipping Connecticut, which would be gigantic to add more new
England Republicans. Besides poor Susan Collins's by herself. What do
you those are the things that I'm interested in.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
What do you think about Senate final Senate makeup? Are
we looking at fifty three Republicans?
Speaker 4 (52:51):
We're looking at at least fifty one. I do think
that Bernie Marino should be able to pull it off.
Ted Cruz will get through by the skin of his
teeth and us the skin.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
We have Ted on tomorrow, what is going on there?
I mean, we're going to talk to Senator Cruz about this,
but I hate that. I feel like Democrats always pull
this sleeper move. You know, they come in from the
side door and all of a sudden they're trying to
steal something in Texas. How did this happen?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Well, I mean Ted Cruz has an issue where he
has very difficult likability issues in parts of Texas. And
Trump is doing especially well among Hispanics in South Texas.
And from what I have heard from certain people is
that Ted Cruz is not getting There's a lot of
people who are voting for Trump and then not voting
(53:36):
for Ted Cruz. Wow, And that is Ted Cruz's big
problem right now. He doesn't have the love of a
lot of people who are voting for Trump. And also
you have the suburbificated suburbanization of Dallas and Houston and Austin,
and as those suburbs continue to grow, they will bluin
out the entire state. A lot of immigrants, a lot
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of Californians, a lot of Colorado's and they are making
the whole air more blue by moving there. So that's
just I mean, he has a difficulty down ballad. They
are a lot of lot of people in Texas who
are otherwise Democrats who love Donald Trump, who are not
warmed up to Ted Cruz and he is fighting for
his life down there. I mean, he's got a little
(54:17):
bit of an advantage, but it's not a it's not
John Cornyn's you know, eleven point victory just two years ago.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
So it looks like the one bit of advice for
this audience, Ryan, where you can vote early right, bank
those votes.
Speaker 4 (54:29):
Yes, go vote early. Just get it over with, Go vote,
and bring your cousin who always has an excuse why
they're three hours late, to go vote as well.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Ryan Graduski of the National Populist Newsletter on substack. Ryan,
great to have you man, Thanks again, Thank you. Prize picks. Look,
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