Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 19 2024

Voices of reason. Criminal deportations. OK Gov. Kevin Stitt on Operation Guardian. Bridge Colby on WWIII?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Tuesday edition of The Clay and Buck Show kicks off
right now.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We've got a stack show for you today.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Clay out in sunny California, Buck down in sunny South Florida.
Hopefully the weather's nice wherever you are across the country,
but this is not a weather show. We're going to
get into the politics here. Got some great guests coming up.
Oklahoma Governor Kevin stint on the role that his state
would be willing to play in helping the Trump administration

(00:30):
with the law and order policy of deportations.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We'll discuss that.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Bridge Colby, co founder of the Marathon Initiative. He's going
to talk to us about why would Biden. We haven't
discussed this yet on the show. Why would Biden approve?
And first of all, that Biden is approving anything Clay
is a problem. Like we all understand this right that
Biden's judgment on matters of truly war and peace is

(00:56):
something that we are still subject to, considering even Democrats.
He's got cognitive issues. Very polite way of saying that
guy's got, you know, senility, dementia. It just seems like
an outrage to me. But anyway, he is still technically
the commander in chief. We'll certainly get a reminder of
that when he pardons Hunter coming up here in just
a matter of weeks, and he has said that Ukraine

(01:20):
is authorized now to use US long range missiles to
strike inside of Russia. That seems like something that the
Russians are going to pay attention to and not react
favorably to. We'll discuss with Bridge why that is also
just for fun, We'll get back to the backlash to

(01:44):
the Morning Joe backwards walking, as in going towards Donald
Trump the Democrats. As much as we found it hilarious
and pathetic, a lot of left wingers are outraged that
you could go from he's hitler to maybe we should
have a cappuccino in like ten days. You know, I
think people recognize that is that's a little you know

(02:07):
what I mean, Like, you know, I've got brothers. Occasionally
my brothers and I will argue about something, but it
never goes to you're a hitler, you know, like there's
something weird going on here. Anyway, We'll discuss that because
I think that's also indicative of where the where the
media is falling apart right now. They don't know where
to go. They're having more and more actual conservatives on CNN.

(02:30):
They have asked me to go on. I don't know
should I go on, Clay, I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
My question for you, first of all, yes, I think
it would be great advertising for the show. I think
it would be good for you as the book release
eventually gets closer and closer. My question for you about
you going on CNN is are you required to travel
to New York to sit in studio or can you
do it remotely as a guest, Like, how does that

(02:55):
process play out?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'd have to ask, I'd have to find out. I'll
let you know.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'll start, I'll respond to their very polite inquiries.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
And say, what are we really talking about here?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Because if it's gonna be I think that's indicative of
the major vibe shift that is underway though, Buck. I mean,
there is a full on panic inside of CNN, MSNBC,
New York Times, Washington Post about what do we do
for the next four years? And they want more voices
of rationality, which I take as a good sign at
least at a minimum. I mean I made when I

(03:25):
was doing solo radio, Clay, I was very open, especially
during the COVID years. COVID era about my disdain for
the way that Jeff Zucker ran that entity, and I
openly made fun of him and pointed out that the
only reason Brian Stelter had a show was because he
looked kind of like Jeff Zucker, so he figured, well,
that guy's super handsome.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Like I'm shocked.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I used to I used to trash CNN like there's
no tomorrow, and now they're like, hey, may look if
they want to be reasonable, they want to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm reasonable.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
They weren't being reasonable, so I was given it to
them on the rough side of things.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Maybe they're going to have a change of although I
very much doubt it. Don't You don't have to send
me the emails like they're not changing. I know, I know,
but maybe we can slap them around a little bit.
Clay the big fights though right now, in a way,
we also have some criminal justice stuff to get to
with the knife wielding madman who stabbed three, killed two
in New York City, right in midtown. You know, there's

(04:18):
We've got some of our team in midtown. The Daniel
Penny trial, the defense is now putting forward their case.
The prosecution has rested. That's that's certainly a discussion to have.
The fights over confirmation and deportation. Those are the two
big things right now, getting ready for the deportation surge
and getting Trump's people in place through confirmation.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm seeing more over, Matt, You know, people have just
like Berenson came on Clay and he said, oh no,
RFK Junior is more upsetting to the machine than Gates.
I think Gates has got them more upset. Actually, I
think Gates is the one that's getting the most attention.
We'll get into this, and maybe a good way to
start this Clay is the hush money case.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Remember that in New York City.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So today Judge Mrchan decided that they are going to
in They're going to indefinitely adjourn without without setting when
the sentencing will be because Judge Murchan has to take
into account how the Supreme Court's ruling on immunity factors

(05:21):
into Trump's prosecution. I don't think they're ever even going
to get to sentencing on this Clay. I think this
case is dead, which brings up a whole bunch of
other issues, like you prosecuted a president for the first
time ever for felonies that were such a joke that
even after you got a preposterous conviction, you're not going

(05:42):
to see it through.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
This, I think we predicted that this would happen. You've
already seen it happened even quicker than I anticipated that.
Jack Smith said, hey, this case is federally are done,
but until you are sentenced, the conviction doesn't really officially exist.
And so I think the Trump felony convictions that Alvin

(06:07):
Bragg got in New York. I mean, I said this
a while ago, putting my lawyer hat on, that the
implications of the Supreme Court presidential power ruling had to
implicate state court cases as well. And I understand sometimes
this gets a little bit into the weeds. But there's
the federal cases, which was South Florida which has been dismissed, Washington,

(06:31):
d C. With Jack Smith has now moved to dismiss
basically ending both of those cases. And then you had
Georgia with Fanny Willis, which was a state of Georgia
prosecution Fulton County, Atlanta area. And then he had New
York City which was a state of New York prosecution.
General rule again, there are exceptions, but general rule is
federal law. Trump's that is, takes over any state law.

(06:57):
And so if there is no federal case that can
be brought against Trump because of presidential powers presidential immunity,
as it pertains to the use of presidential powers, that
has to also apply to state law because otherwise you
would just pursue the president under state law when you

(07:18):
could not do it under federal law, which again conflicts
with the superseding power of federal law over state law.
When there's a conflict. Again, that's going into the weeds
a little bit. But this case is done, and the
Georgia case is done, and I don't know exactly how
they're all going to be rolled up, but Buck, what
it ultimately represents is what we told this audience for

(07:39):
years and what all of you suspected.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
This was all political.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
This was nothing other than a political hit job that
they thought would weaken Trump, and we didn't talk about
it a lot in the wake of the election, but
one of the most impactful parts of Trump winning two
weeks ago today was it ended. I think this argument
of oh, there's a political benefit to trying to put
your chief political adversary in prison and or bankrupt him. Now,

(08:08):
the American public has voted overwhelmingly and said no to this,
And I think that's an incredibly important result because it
upends what had been an attempt to invalidate nearly two
hundred and fifty years of the way that we did
races in the United States, which was we won or lost,

(08:28):
we didn't try to put our chief political rival in
prison for the rest of his or her life.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
If you're going to break that barrier of prosecuting somebody
who is a major party nominee, I mean, it better
damn well be for something serious that you know happened,
you know what I mean. Look, I've got friends who
are prosecutors. You've got friends who are prosecutors. They'll tell you,
I mean, especially if you're talking like on the federal side,
you know, or ninety eight percent of people plea and

(08:55):
like ninety six or ninety seven percent of the people
that bring charges against they will say are guilty. They've
got you know, it is very unusual in their minds.
I'm not saying it never happens. There are people who
are falsely prosecuted. I get it, But overwhelmingly the decision
to prosecute itself should be it's a slam dunk, right.
And so to bring this case against Donald Trump when

(09:17):
he's the Republican nominee and a former president, both on
such a flimsy charge and ignoring some of the surrounding
legal realities of a form of a former president and
what that means as as a matter of law. With
the Supreme Court weighing in. You know, it's like we've said,
if Donald Trump after the elect or you know, if

(09:38):
Donald Trump at the end of his term or something
had gotten drunk driving in a car and ran over
five people.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
He's the commander in chief, like he's you know, you
did the crime you do the time. I get it,
Like you you shouldn't be above the law in that way.
You would be subject to state law there and you'd
be able to be prosecuted after the fact. There's no
statute limitations on murder or after your term. I mean,
but to go after him on a business records charge.
By the way, there's some people who would just you know,

(10:06):
point out you can't prosecute a president while he's an
office period.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I get it. But to go after somebody on.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
A business records charge clay and then to stack it
thirty four times, so it's thirty four felonies. Alvin Bragg
is what he has done to the law is just despicable.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
There are two other elements of this case that again
I have been hammering for years now on this program.
But one buck, it's outside the statute of limitations. So
they went back in time a substantial amount. Remember this
all happened in like twenty seventeen, so I mean you're
going way back in time. Second part of this is

(10:45):
they elevated what should have been a misdemeanor to a
felony based on an untested legal strategy that I think
was on its base in appeal going to be overturned.
But leave aside the sort of new angled approach without
precedent that they tried to elevate the misdemeanor to a felony.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Overwhelmingly, in New York City they are reducing felonies to misdemeanors.
That is, in this era of going soft on crime,
they actually overwhelmingly are treating legitimate felonies as misdemeanors. Here
they took at bottom a misdemeanor and tried to elevate

(11:28):
it to a felony, which is occurring almost nowhere anywhere
right now in the state of New York. It was
a hair brained legal scheme that has come up, snake eyes,
and as a result, you are going to see it
all just vanish and they're gonna pretend it never happened.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Oh, this is where I understand a lot of the
support for Matt Gates. Look, Matt Gates says, I think,
he says a lot of things, but one thing he
says is he's absolutely not guilty of any of these
things that are being alleged about him that he has
never been indicted for, not even indicted, never mind convicted,
And for them to use these, to use the allegations

(12:12):
and to use innuendo and things that are unproven and
even unindicted, not that indicted necessarily means you're guilty. But
usually that's a step the government takes when you do
something that's very criminal. It's just you need somebody, Clay,
I think, to look at this now, who is angry
about it, kind of the way you and I feel
about COVID. You need someone to look at the abuse

(12:33):
of the law as a political weapon, not who says
I will make it stop. That just means you're not
going to do it yourself. You need somebody who will
go in there and say, I will punish those who
are seeking to use the law as a weapon of
politics to ruin people's lives, which is what they are doing,

(12:53):
which is what they have tried to do with Donald Trump.
They wanted to lock Trump up in prison, make no
mistake about it. And if he didn't win that election
and the American people did not speak so forcefully on
his behalf, we'd be in a very different place right now.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
No doubt, we'll take your calls. We'll react to that.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
As Buck said, we've got the governor of Oklahoma joining us,
Bridge Colby, a couple of guests in the second hour
headed your way. Also Buck more Trump dancing. Christian Pulistic,
best player on the US men's soccer team, scored a
couple of goals last night and celebrated with the Trump dance.
We have got a major cultural revolution that is underway.

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Speaker 5 (14:40):
We got three rails of business, Lawrence. First of all,
we got securtive order. We know how to do that
we've done it before. A second, of all, we need
to run this deportation operations. The President's been clear we're
going to out of the gate. We're going to focus
on public safety threads and national security threads first.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
And FUSU.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
The those who cross the border legally had great doing
process a great taxpayers fans. We're order removed by an
immigration judge ben gently. They're also priorities. And third rail,
we got to find over with three hundred thousand children
that were released into this country to so called sponsors
that the government can't find, we also got to find
them children to try to save them.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
All right, that's Tom Holman.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
The borders are unlike kamala a, real borders are as.
He's going to do things to make the border better.
Tom is one of my favorite picks. I've known Tom
and talked to him about border issues for years, really
stretching back to Trump term one, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen.
Tom is, you know, very high on my list of

(15:39):
all stars like he is. If Trump had said to me,
Clay Buck, who would you put in? I mean I
might have put him at the head of DHS, But okay,
who would you make the borders are. Tom Holman would
be the first name that comes to mind, so he's
the right guy for the job. And what he's doing
here is laying out this is going to be so important, Clay.
They're going to tell everyone that this is monstrous and

(16:03):
cruel and they're deporting grandmas who have been here for
forty years. That's actually not what the Trump operation is
going to be in the first year, and maybe ever
it depends on how all of this goes. But what
they're doing right out of the gate is and this
is so important. They always say what about the dreamers and.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
What about like the hard working people who've been here
for twenty years. Then everyone goes, okay, you know, I
want to be kind.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
The kindness on the right is always used as a
political weapon against this right, like, of course, you know,
I get it, Like maybe we get you get that's
a little bit harder for people, and I understand that.
Now for some of you, it's not hard. You want
everyone illegal to go, and I get that too. The
law is supposed to matter, right, the law is the law.
But when they're talking about deporting the number, Clay is

(16:51):
something like one point four million criminal illegal aliens, and
that modifier, that adjective there so important because I'm not
just talking with people that are not allowed to be
in the country. We're talking about people who have been
in this country who have committed a crime, usually a
state sometimes a federal, but usually a state crime, who
are now.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Supposed to be deported. Yeah, and they're just playing this
this game of you know, hide and seek. They can't.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So there is no reasonable basis to oppose the deportation
of all one point four one point five million of
those who are in the country illegally with a with
a deportation order on them already, and those who are
in the country who have a serious criminal history who
just came across our border unvetted.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I mean, that's the category they're going after.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
We have to we have to make sure everyone knows
this because it's going to turn into AOC fake crying
at the border again really soon. You remember that, remember that,
you know the tears, Like, Yes, here's what I think
we need to do.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
We got to get our arguments lined up. Barack Obama
deported a massive number of people during his term in office,
and almost no one is even aware of that because
everybody has a goldfish memory in this social media era
in which we live. What do I mean by that?

(18:18):
Goldfish don't remember anything, So it's like you're blinking and
then something new happens and you decide that it's the
worst thing that's ever occurred. Obama deported I believe a
team in New York look up the numbers. I believe
Obama deported over a million people during his time in office, Buck,
and nobody talks about it, and those are significant. So

(18:43):
I think you need to have those numbers ready as
a talking point that what we're doing now in the
Trump administration historically is not an aberration at all. In fact,
Barack Saint Obama, who everybody wants to claim is the
greatest human being who's ever been president in history, just
a decade ago, it was very normal to deport. The

(19:04):
other thing is, Buck, they have to be very calculated
in the people that they start with. They have to
make the case we are removing people who are clear
law breakers that are most likely to commit crimes of
violence against innocent people in the United States, and we
have to make that case aggressively because I do think

(19:25):
what you're going to see is a lot of governors
are going to decide that the way they become the
nominee in twenty twenty eight in an open Democrat primary
is by branding themselves as the anti Trump. So I
think you're gonna see Gretchen Whitmer. I think you're gonna
see JB. Pritzker. I think you're gonna see Josh Shapiro.

(19:45):
I think you're going to see all of these governors
who have aspirations to be the Democrat nominee in twenty
twenty eight Gavin Newsom line up against Trump and try
to be the most fervently anti Trump as possible, not
because they think it's the right decision for their state,
it's not, but because they think it's the right decision
for their political future. Prepare yourselves for it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Tom Homan also made mention Clay of what he can
see coming, which is the hashtag resistance if you will,
from blue cities and blue states, sanctuary jurisdictions, their sanctuary cities,
their sanctuary states effectively, and he's saying, look, they play
this game right, They only do this with immigration. You
will never I worked at something called the High Intensity

(20:30):
Drug Trafficking Area Facility in New York okay, that was
where the counter terrorist Immunity the NYPD was based at
that time.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
We had dee A they, we had DEA there, we.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Had ICE there, we had NYPD obviously, which is the
body that I was assigned to.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know, you had you had FBI nearby or you know,
sitting nearby.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
It all worked together, and nobody was ever like, hey,
can can't help you with that, like cartel assassin thing
like that's that's more federal than state, like if the
Feds asked for help, or if the state they were
working together. The only place I've ever seen this breakdown
and law enforcement listeners, let me know if there's something else.
The only place you ever see this is on illegal immigration,

(21:08):
where all of a sudden, local law enforcement is told
under orders, do not help, and even go beyond that,
don't even notify. Right, So they'll have somebody in custody
who's an illegal who's committed a crime, and they'll release
them pending court. And instead of saying, hey, Ice, we
got this guy who's just been arrested for sexual assault,
you know, do you want to come pick them up,

(21:29):
they let him out and they don't want to tell Ice.
Tom Homan is saying, look, blue cities and states, you
don't want to get in the way of the mission.
Here from the federal side, play this has cut three
Play this one.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
What happens to mayor or local police department chief that
is under democratic leadership that obstructs ICE in your federal
agents that are helping get these deportations, and what happens to.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Them, Well, first of all, if they want to help
us get the hell out of the way, for we're
going to do it. If I got to send twice
a mon resources that city, that's what we're going to do.
Give us access to the jail. That don't mean less
agents to the community. For them pushing back and not
let us in the jail, it just mean more agents
are gonna be in the community. So they're hurting themselves. Finally,
I'll say this, they need to educate themselves. They didn't
rede this title eight the United States Code thirteen twenty

(22:13):
four Triple I read about that, and don't cross that
line because it is a felony to harbor and conceal
and illego ailins from Ice read the statue. Don't cross
that line.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
He's talking about harboring now and aiding Clay. This is
he's saying, this is people have gotten so used to
a legal immigration being this area of law where it
doesn't really count, you know what I mean. Here's one Clay.
Do you know that you're not allowed to be in
the country as an immigrant and be a public charge.
That's actually against federal code, that's against federal statute. How

(22:47):
many immigrants are getting welfare benefits and things like that.
It is absolutely forbidden under federal law. He's saying, aiding
and abetting a fugitive from Ice. This isn't something they're
going to forget anymore. So this state, local law enforcement
and federal law enforcement issue could get very real here
because you've got these woke, lunatic governors and mayors.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Buck here's the number, by the way, And I think
this is going to stagger a lot of people because
I think it speaks to how dishonest our politics have become.
According to the New York Times, three million people were
deported by Barack Obama during his two terms in office.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Three million.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
So for everybody out there who's going to act, and again,
this is important, we have to mobilize the narrative to
make people understand that what Trump is doing is actually
just something that was not even considered remotely controversial in
the grand scheme of things. During Obama's term in office.
In fact, Barack Obama deported more people than any president

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ever has in the history of the come.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
It was very clever, though, I mean the whole member
did that. He was the deporter in chief going into
the twenty twelve midterms, and then when he won reelection.
The whole Term one for Obama was Obamacare, and we
are still living with the consequences of that decision. Term
two is supposed to be amnesty, and the way that
they thought they could get to amnesty was to deport

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people while pushing Republicans on the Gang of Eight bill
and getting Republicans to go along. And there are bad
Republicans on immigration, there are lots of them. Actually, look
at wasn't it a.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Wasn't it a? Was it Langford?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Who wasn't Liford in Oklahoma who tried to work with
Biden right at the end of his term to put
through a crap bill. It's embarrassing, honestly embarrassing stuff. There
are Republicans who are who are dictated to by the
Chamber of commerce by big business, by the donor class
who like illegal immigration. That's a reality. But Clay, what's
so interesting here? And you know, I give Ann Coulter

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credit for this for example, and the immigration issue.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
She's always saying no, no, no, there are laws already
that need to be used that will help with this
issue massively. They just choose not to use them. Tom
Holman knows what those laws are. Tom Holman knows that
the decision to ignore federal statute is not the same
thing as erasing federal statute. So there are a lot

(25:14):
of tools at his disposal this time around to do
things to clean this up. And I just I mean,
this is where I want to know who You're not
in the country legally and you're committing crimes here, yeah,
you know, and you're and you're supposed to be able
to stay That is that is a national suicide pack
over the long run, that is completely outside the realm

(25:35):
of the scene totally.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
And again, I just want everybody to prepare for the
fight that is coming and recognize how outrageous the arguments
against it are going to be. But you're right, Buck,
AOC is gonna put on her all white outfit. The
media is gonna follow her. She's gonna start to cry
by a chain link fence. They're gonna find the one
four year old who gets separated from his dad or

(26:00):
his mom. Uh, and they're going to turn that into
an anecdote reflective of a policy that is not actually representative, right,
but they're going to find it. It'll go viral on
social media. Prepare yourselves for where this is coming. Also,
Buck this is also hugely important. The message is important too,
because as soon as you start deporting millions of people,

(26:23):
everybody that's coming here illegally is going to say, wait
a minute, is that trip worth it? When you're telling
them we're never going to deport you. That's why ten
million plus illegals came in. It's not just about sending
people back, it's about stopping the flow that exists right now.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It changes the incentive dramatically, right, It changes the incentive
for especially how the immigration issue, the illegal immigration issue
has changed. Where Clay it used to be can you
walk here? So that was Mexico, some countries to the
south of Mexico. The people showing up at the border
are paying to f from Pakistan, from Yemen, from all

(27:06):
over Southeast Asia and West Africa, and you name it
like if it's a poor country. Basically people are coming
here from there, but they're flying to sometimes you know,
a country that has very easy passport controls. In South America,
they go up through the Darien Gap. In Central America,
they make their way up in past you know, through Mexico.

(27:27):
Pay the cartels in Mexico. That's a lot of effort
and money to spend if you're not really sure that
you're going to be able to stay. So Holman's the
guy for the job. This is the single this is
you know, this and the and the government efficiency I
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Speaker 2 (29:12):
We've got the governor of Oklahoma with us now. Governor
Kevin Stitt is with us. Governor, appreciate you making the
time for us. Thanks for coming back on Clay and Buck.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Absolutely great to be with you guys.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
All Right, so we're talking a lot today about the
very prominent and now the media will say controversial. Trump
planned to begin deportations on a much accelerated, much vaster
scale than certainly what Biden was doing in the past,
and law enforcement priorities pushing this meaning people who are

(29:48):
criminal illegal aliens at the top of the list for deportation.
You've unveiled in your state operation, Guardian. Tell us about
this program, how it work in Oklahoma, as it's as
it unfolds, and also how you plan to have the
state work with the federal governor the Trump administration to
finally restore some law and order when it comes to

(30:09):
illegal immigration.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first off, I mean it's just an
optimistic mood in America. I mean you can feel it.
We're going back to law and order. We're going to
get you know, inflation under control. Energy, permitting, reform, safety
across the world. I mean, it's just really exciting to
have common sense back in the White House, and so
in Oklahoma, I mean, it's just total common sense. If

(30:34):
we have people that are breaking the law, that they're criminals,
plus their illegals and Oklahoma should you know, if we've
given these people over to ice under a Biden Harris administration,
nothing happens. So we've obviously got bad guys in prison
because we're a law and order state. But now with
Trump coming back to the White House, we wanted to

(30:54):
be the first state to kind of lead by example
to say, listen, Oklahoma taxpayers should not footing the bill
for people that are here illegally number one and number two,
especially people that are criminals that are in our correctional facility.
So those are the first ones we want to tackle.
And we wanted to kind of be a model to
other states and work with the Trump administration and know

(31:17):
that now we have a partner in the White House
that believes in common sense and wants to protect law
and order and wants to protect safety across the country.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Governor, appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you've already seen
a lot of Democrat governors saying we're not going to
work with Trump at all when it comes to deportations.
How do you think that will play out? And how
much of that I think the answer is probably one
hundred percent. Is that often political angling to try to
potentially put themselves in the running to be the Democrat

(31:48):
nominee in twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think Americans are too smart for that.
They can see they're talking from the exact same playbook,
and it was amazing, Like I think the day after
the election, you started seeing you know, the regular folks,
the regular Democratic talking points from all the different governors
talking about we're going to protect our citizens. You're gonna
have to come through me. Well, I think that they're

(32:12):
missing the point. I think Americans spoke overwhelmingly. Trump got
won the popular vote three hundred and twelve electoral votes,
and overwhelmingly people want border security, they want a law
and order back in our communities, they believe in safe communities.
We want freedom and education, we want to unleash American energy,

(32:33):
and so again, I don't think the Democrats learned any
frame from that last election. And for them to come
out immediately and say they're not going to work with
the president on law and order. I think they're shooting
themselves in the foot and they didn't learn anything from
that from Tuesday's election.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Are there sanction I know you're in a very red state,
the governor fortunately very red state. But I'm assuming it's
possible you've got sanctuary jurisdictions in Tulsa, maybe Oklahoma City.
I mean, is that a challenge for you in terms
of local and state law enforcement working together on this issue?
Are they on board? Well, what can you tell us
about that, because I just I wonder how that state, local,

(33:10):
and federal is going to all collide or work together
on this issue.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
Well, you know, yeah, we're not a sanctuary state at all.
I mean, occasionally we'll have some of our big city
mayors that'll push back and are kind of squishy on
this issue. But really, what I'm talking about here, and
I don't know how any American and certainly how any
Oklahoma would complain about it. We're talking about people that
are here illegally Number one and number two, they're also incarcerated.

(33:39):
They're criminals. They're either in gangs, they've had a run
in with law enforcement, they've got busted for you know,
running drugs and fentanyl coming across the border. So we're
talking about that element first. I think that's what Trump's
talking about. And then we need to get them out
of our states, out of our country. And then I

(34:00):
believe in immigration reform. We need to have If somebody
comes to the University of Oklahoma on an education visa
and they get an engineering degree, we want to convert
that to a workforce visa. So if people want to
chase the American dream and pay taxes and be part
of our society and we have jobs for them, we
want to connect the employers with employees. I'm all for

(34:20):
work workforce visas and changing that immigration policy. But we're
talking about the criminal element right now. And I don't
know how anybody could argue, you're Democrat or Republican, that
that needs to be out of our country.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
When you look at you mentioned that, you can feel
a major vibe shift. I know Oklahoma is very much
of a Trump UH fertile ground. Right, you guys win
in your state, go read by a massive amount. But
I got some stats here for you, Governor.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
This is the latest data in terms of how how
things have moved New York moved eleven point five percent
towards Trump, New Jersey ten point two, Florida nine point
eight Massachusetts eight point seven percent, California eight point four percent.
So four of the biggest states to gain massively in

(35:12):
Trump's support were blue states. I'm curious, do you feel
that when the other governors are starting to talk that
even somebody like Kathy Hokeel, for instance, in New York,
which is considered a blue state. Crazily New York is
closer to a red state than Texas or Florida are
to blue states based on the data out there. Can

(35:35):
you feel maybe a vibe shift in terms of how
even those politicians are talking given what happened even in
blue states.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
You know, I really can. I'm the vice chair this
year of the National Governor Association, which is the bipartisan group,
and so behind closed doors when I talk to my
Democratic colleagues, it's very collegial. We've got a good relationship,
and I'm surprised how they are all telling me, yes,
we'd be stronger borders. And that was what's so perplexing

(36:03):
for the American people. It's why, uh, you know, the
Biden Harris administration was refusing to go back to Trump
era policies, which has remain in Mexico. And so I
think that across the board, you know, the governors at
least understand that we need to have border security. We
need that, and unless they're trying to kind of placate
to their you know, left wing part of their party, Uh,

(36:26):
these are these are just common sense things that if
you're truly an American and you want what's best for
our country, you shouldn't be able to argue these these points.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
But it's really exciting. And you look at the uh,
the Hispanic popular Uh, the vote went made major gains
towards the Republican Party because I tell people, they're they're
concerned about that, they believe in God and family and
their entrepreneurs and and and they're more concerned about the
economy than than somebody's pronouns. They don't want their little
girls to have to be competing with biological mails and sports.

(36:59):
I mean, the left has gone so far the other
way that I think that you saw that in this election,
and so hopefully common sense will return. And I know
common sense is going to return to the White House,
and I hope we're seeing it return to New York
and California and some of these other states and just say, hey,
we want to give the Trump administration a chance, and

(37:20):
I think we want safe communities and we want our
girls to be protected when they play sports and stuff
that we've known in Oklahoma for a long time.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Just being to Governor Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma, Governor, how
many illegals are currently in custody in your state? Do
you have a pretty good firm number on that? And
what is the cost to the people of Oklahoma just
to incarcerate them, roughly speaking on a day or monthly basis.

Speaker 7 (37:49):
Yeah, So you know, I've had our team go back
and look at that. We have I think around twenty
thousand people incarcerated in Oklahoma. There's something I'm always working
on is eight communities, but also want to want to
make sure that we believe in second chances. So we've
done a lot of work there. But there's five hundred
and twenty six people that should not be incarcerated in

(38:11):
Oklahoma because they're illegals and they broke the law and
we're having to pay for their incarcerations. And so it's
millions and millions of dollars to the taxpayers of Oklahoma.
I think it's me.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I read something just so I read something, and it's
almost forty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars too, for each
one of those inmates.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Is that correct? I mean for the year, that is correct.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Yeah, So it's going to cost us between twenty to
thirty thousand. I don't know the exact number per inmate
per year. And that's just saddled directly on the state taxpayers.
That's our state.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
So tens of millions of dollars being spent by taxpayers
in your state at a minimum that should not be
just for those who are incarcerated.

Speaker 7 (38:51):
That is that is exactly right, that's correct. So and
then you know it did no good before with the
Biden Harris administration. Is ICE was not doing their job
under a trumpet minute. We're going to return to the
rule of law, and so when we push those back
to ICE, they'll be returned back to UH. They'll be
out of Oklahoma, out of our country, which will be
a good thing. We don't want the criminal element here.

(39:12):
But I also remind people we need immigration reform and
we need to make sure we have state workforce visas
and we match employers to employees. And that's good as
well if people want to chase the American dream. And
uh and so I think that's important for people to
note as well.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Governor, we know that Barack Obama, recently Bill Clinton, Democrat
governors who are a Democrat governor in the case of
Bill Clinton, a former senator in the case of Obama,
but they got elected on the idea that, hey, illegal
immigrants should be sent back. This wasn't considered to be
a political issue. How much do you think this will

(39:51):
become a political issue going forward? We mentioned Democrat governors
are already lining up. Or do you think the fact
that this was standard opera rating procedure to deport illegals,
particularly illegals with criminal backgrounds, as recently as when Obama
was in office, will that end up ultimately winning the
public argument? How do you see this playing out?

Speaker 7 (40:13):
You know, I think they've gone too far. I don't
see how this is. I think Trump has made the
national story. The Republican Governors Association sent a letter, We've
made this a national story. Pushing on border security. I
believe the American people are there that we have to
have strong borders. We have to know who's coming through

(40:33):
our country. We need to have immigration reform. I'll give
you that too, But I don't believe that all of
a sudden in twenty eight the election cycle is going
to flip and all of a sudden American people are
going to vote for you know, the crazy person that's saying, yeah,
let's do open borders. I just don't believe. I think
I think the pendulum is going to swing back to

(40:54):
more normalcy to say, hey, no, no, no. Even Democrats
agree that we have to have border security, and this
is not a winning argument for their side, and if
they keep doubling down on it, I just think it
just shows you how politically blind they are. Trump just
won overwhelmingly with a mandate to say we're going to

(41:15):
secure our border and we're going to have safe communities,
and for them to come out day one, I think
it's just very They're All they're doing is just trying
to put themselves as the anti Trump person out there,
and they think it's going to gain, you know, with
the far left part of their party, maybe make them
some kind of hero. But I think long term it's
not It's not gonna work and and if they keep

(41:35):
running on that playbook, you're going to see the same
type of landside victories that you saw in twenty four
for the For the good.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Guys, Governor, State of Oklahoma, always appreciate you making the
time for us, and we'll talk to you again soon
about how this is all going once it gets to
the implementation phase.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Absolutely, Hey, thanks so much for having me.

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Our friend Bridge Colby joins us once again. He is
a former Pentagon official from Trump's first administration, author of
the excellent book Strategy of Denial. Bridge, Great to have
you back on the program. I'm getting people asking me this,
and I I jumped to some pretty some pretty dark
conclusions about it.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
So I'm wondering what you think.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Here we are Biden is, yes, technically the commander in chief,
but we all including Democrats, know that it's pretty shaky.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
No, no pot intended with that, but you know it's
no double on Taundra.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It's pretty shaky, and he's having a tough time understanding
what's going on around him. Meanwhile, we're told that he
has authorized the use of American provided long range missile
so that Ukraine can now fire missiles a couple of
one hundred miles. I've seen different estimates of how long

(44:43):
these will go into Russian territory to hit Russian batteries.
Is this a big deal? Why is he doing this?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Well, great to be with you, Buck and Client's.

Speaker 8 (44:55):
I mean, it is honestly both disturbing and bewildering because
the thing it's almost like this sort of reductive out
of absurdum of the Biden administration policy where they're openly
admitting in the New York Times that this is not
going to make that much of a difference, and yet
it is a very significant escalatory step. I mean, it's
been talked about tremendously on the Western side, but also
the Russians and Putin himself have made clear it's a

(45:17):
big deal. But yet, you know, the Russians have probably
already adapted, They've moved their forces around. They claimed they
shot down several of the attacks, and apparently both the
Ukrainians and we are low on the attack on stocks.
So it's this kind of, you know, perfect encapsulation of
the Biden symbolism over effectiveness policy, which is really just

(45:40):
we can't.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Get changed soon enough.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
And I mean, you know, they've been This is something
that I think is really important to stress here, Buck
is they have been running policy on this for obviously
the last four years, but certainly since the beginning of
twenty twenty two, in the late twenty one when this
crisis began, and they've been working with certain Republicans who
supported a maximalist sort of goals on Ukraine, and I

(46:02):
call it the liberal premisest alliance. And now the Deputy
National Security Advisor admitted while while while Biden was down
in Rio that the situation is extremely difficult and the
Russians are willing to up the ante. Apparently according to
the Levada Center, pulling a life satisfaction in Russia, including
among young people, as an all time high. So this
is just a really bad situation, and they seem to

(46:23):
be making it worse. I think, to frankly, peer pressure.
You know, maybe the Europeans, maybe some of the you know,
sort of the Morning Joe kind of constituency, although even
they are seem to be defecting from from Biden.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
What does a solution?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
I know, it's like a ceasefire, a peace agreement in
your mind, look like what I have been reading Bridge
and we appreciate the time, is that it would look
something like what I have seen is a twenty year
agreement that NATO is not going to add Ukraine international
peace forces potentially to manage the border whatever is negotiated

(47:04):
as the new border of Ukraine. Is that kind of
where you see this going? And I also saw a
poll today and obviously in the wake of the election.
We know Poles aren't always reliable, but suggesting that somewhere
north maybe fifty two percent of Ukrainians were ready for
this war to be over, do you buy in that
Trump in the first ninety days or so can get

(47:27):
a solution And if so, what does that solution look like?

Speaker 8 (47:31):
Well, look, I don't want to get ahead of the president.
I think he seems to have somewhat his own idea
that he's not tipped his hand, which makes sense from
a negotiating point of view. I would just say, looking
at history, we've got to be realistic and looking at
the situation on the ground, you know, I don't think
we can be expecting that like Crimea is going to
come back. And I think we should be realistic.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And I think the fact that Ukrainians.

Speaker 8 (47:50):
Are now looking for an end to the war, but
just objectively, given the enormous human suffering, in the fact
that the war's not going very well together means some
kind of ceasefi or cessation of the conflict. That's realistic,
you know. I mean, these these conflicts tend to end
somewhere along the battle lines as they exist. Unfortunately, the
Russians are making progress but there's reason to think that

(48:12):
the Russians might not want this war to go on forever.
It's obviously causing them pain at home, although they seem
to be willing to manage. It's making them more dependent
on China. It's closing them off from the Western Europe.
So I think, you know, and Putin has seemed to
be at least open and his lieutenants like Peskov to
at least some you know, hearing out the proposals. And
this war has been going on for almost three years.

(48:34):
So you know, I very much hope, and I think
you've seen, frankly the reality obviously, you know, sort of
lemming like you had the Western leaders and Biden saying, oh,
this wark In, It's got to go on as long
as it takes. And then as soon as Trump receives
this decisive electoral mandate from the American people, Olof Schultz,
the Chancellor of Germany, is calling Putin. And you see
the shift in the in the popular opinion in Ukraine.

(48:56):
So what it looks like exactly, I don't know. I
don't I don't want to get head of the president
for sure, but I think we've got to be realistic.
This to me again, guys, is what I would stress is,
I think we've got to calibrate we as the American people,
have got to calibrate expectations. Things are being left in
such a bad state by the Biden Harris administration that
we've got to be realistic. You know, you're not. You know,

(49:19):
the Russians have spilled an enormous amount of blood and yes,
an aggressive and unjustified attack into Ukraine. But this is
the real world, and we would be better off dealing
with the real world, as President Trump is always pointing
out and having made, you know, avoided this conflict, rather
than the kind of moralism of Joe Biden than Tony Blinkett.
And what I would say is on the NATO issue,
I mean, I personally don't think that Ukraine should be

(49:41):
in NATO. So I don't know why we would reserve
the right even for twenty years. I mean, what's the
point of reserving something for twenty years. I mean that's
like way down the pike and strategic planning and diplomacy terms.
So I think we should be prepared to negotiate on
a range of issues in order to bring this conflict
to an end.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Bridge I see something troubling that I know the income
in Trump administration is going to have to confront and
hopefully untangle. And it seems that there is an axis,
a de facto actis that is forming.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
And you can almost see it like a like a
cycle or or like some kind of an assembly line.
You've got Russia selling its oil, a lot of it
to China and to other actors.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Uh. And you've got.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
North Korean soldiers who are fighting now on the front
lines in Russia. You've got Iranian drones, the shah Head
drones being used on the front lines in Ukraine. Uh,
you know, or rather that's also where the North Koreans
are fighting obviously in Ukraine, but on behalf of the Russians.
And so you have all this, I don't want to say,

(50:42):
these kind of oppositional states that are collaborating and seeming
to get closer militarily and economically Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
Then we've seen in a long time. And I think
that's worrisome. How do you see that and how do
you think Trump can approach that?

Speaker 8 (51:00):
Well, it's very worrisome and I think, I mean, I
hate the term acxis of evil because it harkens back
to the disastrous policy of their early two thousands. But there,
you know, I call it like a counter coalition or something.
That's sort of a lame way of putting it. But
excuse me, but I think you're absolutely right that there
is a coalition of states that have come together. Frankly,
have Biden his policy, you know, through the rhetoric, through

(51:22):
its behavior, has actually driven them further and further. And
the administration has sort of admitted that. Blinkett has admitted
that the Russians have been helping the Iranians. They've been
helping the Chinese on things like submarine warfare, which is
very important, the North Korean nuclear missile program. Of course,
you mentioned the other things in the other direction. So
I think, look, what can we do. I think we
can be selective about how we apply our military so

(51:46):
we're strong in the right places, particularly Asia. I think
we can get our allies to do more and really
do that. And you already see that happening. You see Trump,
you know, common sense breaking out all over the place
with Trump's election, Taiwan saying it might spend more on defense,
Germany moving that direction, hopefully maybe the United Kingdom, Australia,
et cetera. That's another piece. And then a more pragmatic
and flexible diplomacy that hearkens back to the successful Republican

(52:09):
foreign policy of Reagan, Nixon, Ike, et cetera, which is
being Jim Baker is being prepared to negotiate with our
rivals and opponents, both to avoid conflict, excuse me, but
also to potentially, you know, drive Wedges is a little ambitious,
but maybe create fissures and uncertainties amongst them. That causes problems,
and that I think is kind of how we go.

(52:30):
If you look at how say, the Indians conduct their
foreign policy, it's much more successful than the Joe Biden approach.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Bridge, how much do you think and I know we've
talked about this before, but putin invading Ukraine Hamas attacking
Israel on October seven was just complete and total disrespect
for Joe Biden in the wake of our withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And how much do you think merely Trump being elected

(52:57):
changes the calculus of Americans foreign policy adversary adversaries, whether
it's China, Russia, Oran or North Korea.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
Well, I think, Clay, I think it's a big, a
big one. And I think, you know, the Afghanistan thing
is very important and it was a seminal event. But
I think sometimes some of the kind of neo conservative
voices say, oh, it's such a disaster, we should have
stayed there till the end of time. I don't think
that's right, and that's what President Trump has said as well.
I think what Afghanistan showed is it told people a
lot about Joe Biden and how he would make decisions.

(53:27):
And I think Donald Trump's a very different guy. He's tough,
he's an unpredictable, but he's also prepared and he's prepared
to do tough and sharp and nasty things in some circumstances.
He's going to put the American people first. He's willing
to break China excuse me.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
So to speak.

Speaker 8 (53:46):
To to to achieve successful outcomes. But he's also prepared
to negotiate and be flexible. So I think you could
see quite significant changes right away. And I think you
already see that, both on the part of our allies
but also on the part of potential opponents. The fact
that he's willing to talk to potentially putin Kim Jong
lun hijin pink.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
That's good.

Speaker 8 (54:06):
That gives us leverage, it gives us negotiating space, and
it creates tensions among them.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Bridge Colby, everybody, Bridge hoping that you will perhaps be
helping the incoming Trump administration prevent world War three, which
I think is a bipartisan like we can all get
behind that, like let's not do world War three.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
And I hope you can have a role in behind that.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
No, but I'm honored, friends, Yeah, no, no, no, world
War three and Bridge, I.

Speaker 8 (54:32):
Want to try to avoid world War three.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I'm into that. Guys. Yes, I figure you're down with it.
I'm just gonna give you.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I want to give you some tactical advice now, Bridge,
ginger fresh ginger graded hot water, A little bit of honey,
gonna help with that throat a lot. You got to
take care of yourself. Buddy out there talking and stopping wars.
But Strategy Denial is his book, Bridge Colby, thanks for
being with us.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
Pleasure.

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