November 21, 2024 • 50 mins
What is justice? Gaetz is out, 4D chess? Uncle Bill predicts Hegseth and RFK Jr. are next. What is Trump's strategy?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now.
Play is Traveling Buck. That would be me solo today
and plays back tomorrow. So we're gonna rock and roll
here for three hours, my friends. A lot to discuss
with you, particularly on the criminal justice front. Let me
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tell you that if there is a theme I can
throw out for all of you today, it would be
if this was a we had law, jurorsprudence and social
thought was our pre law department at Ambers. We could
have started out the day or the class today with
what is justice exactly? Question mark? Because you have a
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couple of things all coming together, the Daniel Penny trial,
which I want to get into some detail with you
on an update on Jesse Smolette. That's right, friends, and
it is not a good one for those who believe
in justice and sanity. And then also the continued freak
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out over Matt Gates as the would be Attorney General
of the Trump administration to this day I will throw
out to this day despite all the things, never charged
with any crime of any kind, Congressman Gates, isn't that interesting?
Maybe they should start the discussions at least with that,
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if they were thinking about this in legal terms, you
would assume, right, we always have to say alleged, But
he's not even really alleged, is he, because no one's
ever even brought charges. It's just in the ether. It's
just rumor. It's just stuff that people have said to
other people, but that no authority has ever actually decided
warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that that's
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important to put out there because the way that all
these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you would
think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a negative
way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite of
the truth, and we like the truth here. So I
do want to start, though, if I can, with these
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two moments in time, with our justice system of Daniel
Penny and I have the We're going to do a
deep dive, you and me. We're going to do a
deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay, and how this
went and what we now know about Daniel Penny, and
then I will get to what is going to be
called now by at least Jesse Smollette and his team,
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the exoneration of Jesse Smollett. That's right, friends, they've overturned,
overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get
into why. I want to get into how this happens,
how it undermines our sense that the rule of law
is a real thing in this country, that accountability is
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real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,
the lawlesses all around us, builds up and creates a perception,
creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,
meaning our legal system through which power is exercised instead
of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All
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the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there
is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,
are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice
as a concept, it's either just or it is not.
You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a
reason why they do that. Let me get back into
Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is
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I grew up in the worst version of New York
City by the numbers when it comes to violence. That
was my I grew up in it. I grew up
in a very nice part of that New York City,
but it was still dangerous. There were still thinks people.
I got mugged. Everyone I know is getting mugged. Cars
being broken into, people are being sexually assaulted, and nonprecedented
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numbers something like twenty two hundred murders. When I'm in uh,
you know, they call it lower school, right third fourth
grade around there, twenty two hundred murders in New York City.
I mean now the number is, I don't know, between
four to six hundred, depending on the year. Last couple
of decades, twenty two hundred mers. New York City was
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a dangerous place, and one of the main reasons for
it was people would keep getting arrested and not actually
punished in any meaningful way. I've spent eighteen months at
the NYPD Intelligence Division, and so I was riding around
a lot with cops who had been on the job
for twenty years. Guess what we did all day? We talked, right,
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And that's basically what you do. You know what a
steakeout is, hanging out with a couple of detectives, you know,
eating takeout food and like, why are you know? Surveillance,
That's what it is, you know, watching what's going on
on the street for hours at a time. So you
learn a lot about I learned a lot of what
they went through, and they would tell what really sounded
like war stories about being in some of the very
difficult precincts, constant shootings, crack ec epidemic, all this stuff.
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And then finally Giuliani comes in and he says enough
and there's a mandate from the city, from the people
of New York City that we actually just want to
be safe. That's the single most important thing. And then
we lost that because of the vile communist Moron de Blasio,
because of the BLM one point zero and BLM two
point zero, and this so called defund police and racial
justice movement all tied in together. Abolish prisons, by the way,
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also a part of this, and it's all rooted in
the demographics of who gets arrested the most and serves
the most prison time in New York City. Is very
troubling to Democrats because they view it as something that
has to be racially balanced. I don't view it that way.
Any person can commit a crime and should be held
to account. We are all equal in the eyes of
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God and the law, and it doesn't matter what those
numbers end up being. Riker's Island, the primary prison of
New York City is over ninety percent black and Hispanic.
That has been the case as long as I have
been alive. That is just the true. That is just
the number. Okay, So they say, well, that's unfair. There
must be a systemic racism. There must be something that
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is creating those numbers, And the only way that they
should deal with it then is to have fewer people imprisoned,
Abolish prisons, defund police less enforcement. Guess what happens. We've
seen what happens. And in New York City specifically, they've
seen this major uptick, and they'll play games with these numbers. Oh,
it's so much safer than it was in the early nineties. Yeah,
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but why are we going backwards? What possible rationale could
there be for a twenty five, a thirty, a forty
percent increase in violent crime in one year in New
York City. It was in COVID they tried that it
was a change in political will. Now enter Daniel Penny
and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape
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facing right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary manslaughter charges
in New York City, and he's putting up his defense.
I will say, first and foremost, you hear this guy,
and he's a well intentioned person. He's a marine, he's trying.
He views himself because of his training, because of who
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he is, because of his code of honor, which is,
by the way, a thing that all men should have. Right.
Oh yeah, masculinity, code of honor, These things should go together.
Daniel Penny thinks that it's his role to protect women
and children on the subway from a serial felon, a
clearly deranged person, a person who has violently assaulted already
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numerous people on the subway. Broke a Asian American woman's
eye socket while she was waiting for a train, just
run up and punched her right in the face, shattered
her eye socket. How do you think that trip of
the hospital was for her? How do you think that
made her day? How'd that go for her family? About
why is this guy walking around the streets? Oh, you know,
social justice can't lock him up? Why? Oh that's the
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Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now here's the
mistake from a legal procedure perspective. And this is very
frustrating because I think Daniel Penny's a young guy. You know,
it's easy for me to sit here. Former CIA, you know,
worked in worked with law enforcement, worked the federal government.
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Understand how these things go easy for me to second
guess him. I understand though, that in the moment he's like,
I'm just trying to step in and help. I've got
nothing to hide. Well, unfortunately, the NYPD guys who sit down,
their job isn't to help the good guy the bad guy.
Their job is to just find the purpse, get all
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the information they can, and let the prosecutors make the decision.
They're not on his team. He sat down with them.
This is the interrogation, the eight minute long interrogation, and
they they they very quickly established rapport. You had a
former marine sitting with a former marine and they hear
play this. You can sort of hear this is straight
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out I'm not I mean, this is what detectives do.
This is out of the one oh one playbook. Hey,
we're all buddies here, talk to us without a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Play its Oh nice, I said before gone, what you're
doing was I was fifty one.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I was a thirty one.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh cool, she got your weapons with I was not military,
so I don't know what that stuff. That's like another
language derbitized. Six Marines.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay, there you goes there ninety six, two thousands.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Did my thing, and then I ended up here and
now I got to close.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
To twenty two years. You know, man, good passion.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, man, I.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Go up queens as well, fast, nice fist nice.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that's a good dame.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Anyway, listen to you. So we want to talk to
you about that today.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Sure thing, you're sitting around him and being cooperative.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's a trap and you just see him walking right
into it. And it's not because he's it's not because
he's a dumb guy. It's not because he's a bad guy.
It's because his adrenaline has been going and these guys
are approaching him in uh uh with a sense of
a kind of friendship tone and oh, I'm a marine,
you're a marine. Then they read him his Miranda rights
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right after this. They went through it very clearly. They
made him verbalize, yes, you know you can have a lawyer.
Yes you know, you don't have to talk to us yet,
and then he started talking, don't talk to law enforcement
unless you have an attorney present, right, I mean, unless
you're like complaining about, you know, a neighbor's cat being
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allowed to run through your yard or something. You know,
unless it's something very minor, if you're the target of
an investigation or the possible target of an investigation, don't
speak to law enforcement without an attorney present, especially the FBI,
by the way, and when with the NYPD, it's going
to be used against you, as it was here. But
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with the FBI, they can say you lied, and then
you're facing a one zero zero one charge and they
can give you up the five years for that alone.
That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying
not insider trading. I really appreciated the the documentary that
came out recently. If you haven't seen it on Martha Stewart,
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you know who you know who made sure she went away.
James Comy. James Comy, he's the one who decided she
was going to face charges for something that wasn't criminal.
She actually should be pardoned. I know she's a Democrat,
I know she voted Kamala. She should be fully pardoned.
And that's not even because I like Pistachio Cremberlet and
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maybe she has some great Krimberlay recipes put that aside.
James Colemey showed us who he was with that, and
it only got worse with Trump. These detectives have laid
the trap and unfortunately Penny starts to walk into it here.
And it's heartbreaking because this guy's a marine who's trying
to defend, He's trying to protect, he's trying to do
the right thing. Now, I want to walk through the
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rest of this interrogation with you. You need to hear
these different pieces of it because this goes to why
is this guy being charged again? What interest of justice
does this serve? What is the expectation that Alvin Bragg's
department in New York City, the District Attorney's office, what
is the expectation that they have for what you're supposed
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to be able to subject yourself to. Here. I want
to talk to you about all of that and how
that also ties in with justse Smollett. Esse Smollett. I
know it wasn't I know, no one died. I know
it wasn't the same level of case. But it's the
justice system at work. And oh boy, did we get
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to see who gets favoritism in this justice system? Who
gets special treatment. It's not the marine who served as country.
It's the disgraceful, cowardly overpaid actor because he's friends with Kamala,
because he's a DEI superstar, and the justice system decided
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
Welcome back into Clay an Buck. Honestly, the big breaking
news just happened them on the air. Matt Gates withdraws
his name as a possible attorney general under the Trump administration. So,
you know, I mean, if if they weren't going to
see it through, it makes me think that this was
a ploy all along, right, that this was meant to
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be to be the I don't know, the uh the
fly zapper, if you will. Everything. They're all all morning Joe,
they're all freaked out about about Matt Gates doing this.
And I really mean what I said before as well.
If they have all these allegations, why never charges. That's
the part of this that I don't understand. It wouldn't
be that hard. They have sworn affidavits, they have witnesses,
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they have all this stuff. Why no charges? If I
could get an answer to that, I feel like I'd
know a lot more about what's really going on here.
But maybe he also just wants to go, you know,
be married, live his life, and enjoy himself and not
be in the midst of this grum of the mess,
the melee that's going to be the early part of
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the Trump administration. I've got to see. I haven't talked
to anybody, obviously, because it's just happened. I haven't talked
to anybody in Trump's orbit about how this decision finally
came down. It's not like they didn't know that there
were people who were going to come after him on
Like this stuff had all been known for a while, right,
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it wasn't really new. By leaving early, he doesn't stop
the Congressional Report from possibly being released or even leaked.
I think it's going to be leaked. I mean it
shouldn't be, but it probably will be. You're not supposed
to do that, but they will. So what was the
point of all of this? That's it didn't last that long.
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It certainly got the Libs very upset, which in and
of itself, I think there's something worthwhile in all of that.
But yeah, maybe the allegations alone were enough to just
make it too much of a distraction. I wonder. I
think there's some other very good people. And if I'm
sitting here and I'm saying who if I'm Trump, who
do I pick his ag It's Mike Lee. If Michael
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will take the job, Senator Mike Lee, That's who I'd
put in. Guy who really knows the law, is unafraid,
you know, knows what he's taking on, knows the system,
super high IQ and a very you know very honorable
and distinguished record, right, so, which you know might be
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an asset. I think I think you could probably find
somebody who goes in there and swings the sledgehammer, who
has a little less baggage. So that's a I'm just
trying to find the try to find the upsides here,
try to find the places where this can be well,
where this can be explained, because to me, the most
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likely situation is that they did this knowing that. But
Mackets resigned from Congress, right, So that's the part. It's
not like he didn't take a big affirmative step that
we wanted to do this. I don't know. I mean
I would, I would say, let's get Matt on to
hear his point of view on this one, but he's
probably gonna be kind of limited in what he'll say
beyond Look, it was a mess, and I didn't want
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to keep going through this and keep dealing with this.
But to me, this is an indicative of a strategy.
Probably I think they knew this was gonna happen, And
I think that there's some joy that Matt probably had,
Congressman Gates probably had in driving all of his enemies
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completely insane. I mean, there were news stories about how
the whole swaths of the DOJ we're gonna resign, resign,
which and then people said, great, you know it's they're
they're doing the work of Doge before Doge can even
get there. But yeah, that that's the one for all
these people who say Gates broke the law, and not
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just one. You know, there's the sort of the most
serious allegations against him, but there are a whole range
of you know, paying you know, even prostitutes who are
of age is illegal, right, I mean, you're not allowed
to send people money if they're you know, twenty years old,
They're still still illegal to do. So there's all these
different allegations of criminal activity, and I just said, I say,
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why were no charges ever brought? And maybe I don't know,
maybe it's a statute of limitations thing, But if that
were the case, wouldn't they explain that, wouldn't they say that? Anyway?
The good news is I think it no longer provides
a foil for the Democrats because they had really been
digging in hard on this one. They had been saying,
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you know, this shows you what a reckless mess the
Trump administration is going to be and he hasn't learned anything,
and it's all about loyalty to him. Well, now, I mean,
we can get somebody who I think is both really
loyal to the cause the constitution, loyal to the rule
of law, and isn't going to create quite the same vulnerabilities. Right,
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you can get somebody in there who is You can
get somebody who's a brawler. I mean you look at
someone like Cash Patel, who I hope is going to
be the next FBI director. And Cash Patel knows the system,
knows where the bodies metaphorically are buried, right, knows what
the problem is within within FBI specifically dealt with it
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with Faiza, and you know all the nonsense, the Russia
collusion nonsense they ran against Trump. So those are all
big parts of this, I think, to understand the excesses
and then to be able to maneuver within that system.
And Cash is a guy. He's a good guy. He's
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an honorable guy. I'm not saying, you know, Gates, he
says none of this is true about him, But there's
no allegation. There's nothing about Cash that's like, oh my gosh,
you know, hair on fire, what's going on, and that's
true of a lot of the Trump nominees too. They've
also gone really hard after my friend Pete. He said,
so you know they're they're look, it's gonna be brass
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knuckles in this this Trump administration taken by the media,
the Democrats. To anybody who's on from squad, we'll take
some calls coming up here, you know what, it'd be great.
Actually we got Uncle Bill joining us. There we go.
Uncle Bill can sit down and explain what he thinks
happened with Gates. Was it a ploy or was it
just too much heat?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Was this nomination meant to distract the Libs or do
they just get too freaked out? Or what what happened here?
We'll discuss that with Bill O'Reilly in just a few minutes.
And then I'll come back to the Jusse Smolette thing.
They just overturned his conviction. So now I was gonna
you know, I'm gonna tell you something's gonna drive you insane.
Not only did they overturn Jesse Smilet's conviction in Illinois,
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he's going to go on to sue the state of
Illinois and he's going to get a seven figure payout.
That's my prediction. You watch you see Welcome Back in Everybody,
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show here Uncle Bill on
the hot seat. Our friend Bill O'Reilly confronting the presidents
his latest book, another bestseller, Bill Oreilly dot Com for
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Bill's analysis daily and obviously you get links of the
book and things there as well. Bill. Do you ever
get tired of the best seller? Moniker? You know, does
it get old?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
There? Is?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It always fun?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
No, it's great because when I was a urchin, the
nuns used to say, are you ever going to read
a book? William? And now I'm the best selling nonfiction
author in the world. So those nuns, I mean, they're
not around, but somewhere in heaven they're going. We were wrong.
We were wrong about it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh. I think Mother Superior or whatever Bill was motivating you.
You know, that's how it was going.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It didn't work. I was a little thugged, but confronting
the president's number four. This coming Sunday after ten weeks
in the marketplace, and I want to thank you guys
because you've been very nice and mentioning the and we
hope people will consider it for Christmas gifts and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Makes a great gift. I've got my copy here at home.
All right, Bill, I need you to explain what the
heck just happened here Gates Withdrew? Was it too much heat?
Or was this a gambit? Deploy all along? What happened here?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
All right? So I predicted a week ago that Matt
Gates would not be the Attorney General. It was not
a difficult prediction. Peter Haig Seth and RFK Junior will
not make the cabinet either.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And the reason is that even though Donald Trump has
tremendous power and momentum, by far the most powerful person
in the United States and in the world, the body
that he has to deal with, Congress, still maintains a
standard of behavior that sounds ridiculous. But most of the
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Senator and Congress people, you can only push them so far.
Very few on the Hill liked personally Matt Gates. They
didn't like what he did to McCarthy. They don't like
his demeanor, they don't like him. That matters a tremendous amount.
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So Gates threw it in today, but he did so
under pressure from the Trump administration. They didn't want to
take any more heat. Same thing will happen with Hagseeth
and Bobby Kennedy Junior. What Washington wants is stability and
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calm at this point, and that's a good thing. They
want the stock market to be confident, they want prices
to come down. They don't want side shows, and it
might not be fair to these three individuals. Certainly, Matt
Gates has been slimed and smeared, and the Justice Department
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took a hard look at it and did not indict him.
And believe me, they would have had to be anything there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's my bill. Can I just jump in on that.
That's been my thing all along is if people keep
saying there's so much evidence, there's so much evidence, no charges.
I mean, it's not even we're saying there were charges
and not a conviction, no charges at all. To me,
that's got to indicate that they didn't think there was
a strong case, because we're talking about serious stuff. But
why would Trump? Did Trump miscount? Do you believe Trump
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fundamentally miscalculated or is this a move to get the
to basically light all the libs hair on fire at
once inside a DOJ and elsewhere and now turn around
and say Okay, I bet you'll find my next nominee
is very reasonable.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't think that was a conspiracy. I think that
Trump wanted to give the middle finger to a lot
of people and did it through nominating Gates and the others. Uh.
He's an emotional man. He's been through an unbelievable amount.
I keep saying that he's getting passive retribution. He doesn't
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have to do this. Look at MSNBC. It's gone vaporized and.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He's basically destroyed CNN and MSNBC, right, I mean, those
brands will never be what they were sing.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'll hang on. MSNBC is gone. Yeah, And if you
read the message of the day on Bill O'Reilly dot com,
I explain why. But getting back to president like Trump,
he often reacts emotionally day to day and that usually
winds up hurting him. I think Pam Bondy will be
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the next nominee and she'll sail through. But then he's
going to have to reevaluate Defense and Health and Human
Services because those two guys are not going to make it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why as an RFK junior, is RFK junior not going
to make it? In your mind? For reasons that could
be construc rude as reasonable or is he not going
to make it because Big Pharmas still calls the shots,
even on the Republican side, and he's a threat to
too much money. Where's it a combination?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Do you consider me a reasonable man?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's why I'm asking you for the reasonableness test?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
All right? So you consider me a reasonable man, and
that's your reputation book. I hope you understand that able,
all right. I would not vote for Robert Kennedy Junior
far why because of his conspiracy theories in the past.
I believe he's an opportunist. I think he would turn
on Trump very very quickly, and I just don't like
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the measure of the man.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Can I tell you, Bill, I know you know you
join us frequently. Appreciate that if you if you were
familiar with the way this has gone on the show.
Clay has been a big believer in RFK Junior. I
have been incredibly skeptic. Clay's not here today to give
that point of view, so I'm just bringing this to
the audience's attention. Usually he's very I think RFK has
changed and he's converted, and he's and I'm like, as
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guy's a Democrat. Can't trust him like I don't know.
I just I wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
A party designation on it myself. And Clay might be right,
he might be a changed man, but I can't take
that chance if I'm a senator. Yeah, any more qualified
people to go up against big Pharma. Look, Kennedy has
an excellent point of view on food. Food is killing Americans.
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We're being deceived by these food companies. The sugar and
the artificial crap that we are putting into our bodies
is insane. The federal government has an absolute obligation, just
as they did with tobacco, to make everybody understand that
Kennedy is one hundred percent right, But it's his overall
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view of the world that it's a very giant conspiracy place.
I can't give that kind kind of a point of
view power if I'm senator.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Speaking of Bill O'Riley, Confronting the President's is his latest bestseller.
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I want to switch switch gears for a second because
this Daniel Penny case playing out in New York City
right now, I'm I'm worried we're going to have a
reporter from the courtroom who's been there every day with
us tomorrow from New York Post. Does great work. I'm
(29:24):
hearing from writing of reading her writing and hearing from
her and others that this is looking it's looking a
little bit bleak right now for Penny based on some
of the testimony and some of the way this is going.
How are you seeing this and what do you how
do you view the overall issues? This is a political
issue now, I mean, this is going to be something
that a lot of people across the country. This is
(29:45):
not a local crime story. How do you see it
playing out?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't believe mister Penny will ever go to prison.
I think there'll be a hung jury will get thrown out.
His really was on radio New York Radio today. Didn't
him concerned?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Okay, all defense lawyer wasn't you know? I didn't have
ad it. He was very very calm. It is in
New York City jury. But to me, there's so much
reasonable doubt in this case, so much testimony in his favor,
(30:23):
that any appeals court would overturn any conviction.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
In my opinion, I certainly look, I certainly hope so
I've I've been concerned because you know, they're going very
much with uh. The prosecution has been saying, oh, look,
we don't have a problem with him stepping in to
defend people and even using force. It's just he went
he held him too long around the throat. Basically. Well,
(30:47):
of course, you know, I mean, you don't have to
convince me.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
If I was on that jury, or if I was
the prosecutor, it never even would have been brought, right,
But I'm worried about what that New York jury is
going to do. You sound pretty confident, not certain, obviously
confident that there's enough reasonable doubt you get to at
least a hung jury.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Or a conviction will quickly overturned down appeal. Yeah. So
you know, look, all I can do is put together
my analysis based on what I see and hear. And
I listened to Penny's lawyer quite carefully this morning, and
I did not hear any trepidation.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And just one more for you, Jesse Smollette, Illinois State
Supreme Court has flipped that that conviction it's gone now right,
I mean, they have overturned it. It is he Jusse
Smollette is walking around smiling and no, you know now,
now he has one in court. I believe in friends
of mine who are lawyers agree with me. They've already
(31:45):
reached out to me. He's going to sue the state
of Illinois now, which is just even adding insult to injury.
How did this happen?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Smallllett is guilty. He tried to falsely gin up a controversy.
His life is over. He's not going to be an
actor anymore. He's not going to do anything. He can
wander around say, sue whatever he wants. I think this
will quickly disappear. You might be right. He might get
(32:16):
some lawyers together to try to sue the state Illinois.
He'll lose, but in the totality of the case, he
is done in this country.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's take
some calls because we haven't gotten many calls today. We
haven't taken any calls today. We always get on the calls.
Eight hundred two A two two eight eight two. How
are we feeling about how it's all shaken shaking together,
coming together, shaking up, shaking together, coming up whatever on
the Trump cabinet and all these different picks and on
(34:15):
all the stuff that we are seeing right now. I
think it is certainly worth a conversation among all of
us about what should be some of the next moves.
I still really like Cash Betel for FBI. I know
it's Trump's call currently. Christopher rais the FBI director. It's
believed he would resign before Trump would come into office.
I don't know if that will happen. Things are going
(34:36):
to be changing here quite clearly so. And the Matt
gets step down has got a lot of people thinking, Okay, well,
why we were all sitting here saying well, not we
were all, but a lot of people were sitting here saying, well,
he deserves process and he should have his say before
the Senate. And if Trump thinks this is the guy
let's hear what he has to say, and now he's out. Okay,
(34:59):
not say it's the first time, but it's uh, I
don't know, it doesn't something doesn't smell right unless this
was the plan all along. And it's just here's what
I can say, pretty for the who who for the
consensus about DC matters. However, you wanted to find that
(35:22):
any nominee for any senior level government position under the
Trump administration is going to be less controversial than that Gates.
That is the truth anybody. I mean, that's like realistically,
in play, you will not find somebody who is gonna
get libs. I think more upset the RFK junior thing.
(35:44):
I thought Bill O'Reilly was very interesting on this at
just saying you know that he he does you know Bill,
Bill was you know, not not in the pro RFK
junior running the show camp over at h HHS. Doesn't
think he's gonna get through the Senate either, which is interesting.
He said, I think he did. Guys, did he say
the word opportunist or am I is that somebody else
(36:05):
on our cutsheet that said it. I don't want to
misquote Bill. I think he felt like he was being
opportunistic RFK Junior. I think, I think that's what he
said A lot of words here on the show, so
I can't always remember absolutely everything. And then Pete Hegsath,
who's been a friend of mine, Look this stuff that's
coming out again. There's a lot of heat. And there's
the part of us that all wants to say, well,
(36:26):
they shouldn't be able to you know, now you get
caught in this game up. Should they be able to
submarine torpedo all torpedoes, I guess come from No, Actually,
submarines aren't the only things that have torpedoes, right, Ships
can have torpedoes, I think anyway, torpedo a nomination to
(36:47):
torpedo a nomination based on an allegation, right, not on
an adjudicated fact, based on an allegation. You got understand
A lot of us are very uncomfortable with that because
of what we saw with Cavin at all, where it
was non adjudicated and nonsensical. The allegations against Kavanaugh were
both non adjudicated and nonsensical, absurd, all of them. Okay,
(37:11):
I heard it all out. I saw I heard all
the evidence and the testimony. I never that there was
no evidence there was just some crazy lady who was
trying to be a hero of the left, and then
a couple of other crazy ladies too, which they always
try to leave those ones out. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, Bill, Yeah,
Bill said, I'm a team again. I never want to misquote.
I guess that we have. Bill said that RFK Junior
seems like an opportunist to him. I mean, that's uh,
(37:35):
you know, I'll just say it. You know, not everyone
sold on RFK Junior. And you know, I'm not going
to walk back from my uh my trepidation there, my
concerns about I agree with him on a lot of
the food stuff. Yeah, but is he the guy to
run AJHS. I think it's worth looking at this closely.
(37:58):
And you know, you're starting to look at some of
these picks and you're wondering what really is the method
to the madness if it is madness in the first place.
And yeah, it's all going to be very interesting, my friends.
As this continues, we shall have to follow it closely.
We shall have to look at where the president elect
takes all of this. And I don't think we want
(38:21):
to have unnecessary own goals. Here we go. We got
a talkback here from San Antonio listener Luis. He's saying,
Ken Paxton for a g this is d D play it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Attorney General Ken Paxton. He's got a long track record
of fighting the government and secure in the Texas borders.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Ken Paxson, outstanding pick. Ken Paxon will make a lot
of sense to me. Attorney General of Texas. Clearly qualified.
He's already attorney general of the second largest state. So
you know, you could see how that would It's not
a difficult leap to think that he would be in
that He would be a good choice for that role.
I think he's certainly aligned with the Trump agenda when
(39:06):
it comes to the cleaning up the border issue and
securing the border. Let's take some calls here too. Uh
Duff from Virginia. Duff, what have you got for us? Yes,
sir Cash Battel, what about him?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Hotel for Cash Battal for Attorney General Dan Bonjo to
head the FBI and Tiger Service on home land security
and give Tulsi all the intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Cash.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I don't have.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Anything on him, Cash, Uh, you know, and I always
thank you for the call. I always like to tell
you this. I consider Cash your friend. He's a good man.
UH known him for years. I like Cash. I think
he'd be great. I've said it before, I've said again,
I'm not impartial, because you know, I I know Cash
a bit, so there's that, But I really do as
objective as I can be. I think that he'd be
(39:59):
great in the role at FBI. And I'm not the
A lot of people are saying that, a lot of
people who I think have very informed opinions on this
and on the kind of platform where they can get
the word out there. Dan Bongino is a is a
great guy, a patriot work at secret service. I think
he'd be phenomenal. People are I don't know if he's
even considering the job. I think he'd be phenomenal in
(40:20):
the job, uh and would do great service to the country.
And uh, you don't have to worry about anybody backing
him into a corner. He would, he would get it done.
And then who is the third the third name? Oh,
Tulsi Gabbart. You guys know, I like I like Tulsi.
I think she's very I think she's a fundamentally good person. Uh,
(40:41):
to the degree that you can assess that based on
your kind of public interactions with somebody. But I think
that I think her heart's in the right place. I
don't I don't mean that in a condescending way. I
really mean that. I think that she has a love
of the country. I think she's seen what's become of
the Democrat Party. I think that her conversion to the
right is real. I don't think it's opper tunism. I
(41:02):
can tell you that the intelligence agencies are far more wiley, cunning,
good at just just sort of smothering you with you know,
the bureaucratic, slow moving, everything has to be signed off
in a million ways. It's she's taken on quite a
(41:25):
beast with that and does not have any background in it.
Does not have a background, And that's fair to say, Yes,
she has a background the military. Let me tell you
anybody who's worked in the CIA or the intelligence community.
They'll say, yeah, that's the military. The intelligence community is
a whole, its own ball of axe, its own thing.
And I think that's yeah, that's going to be a
(41:50):
challenge for her. So again, I hope she rises to
that challenge, and I have faith that she will. But
it's not going to be easy at all. Look I
think Elon Musk is one of the most impressive people, certainly,
I think probably the most impressive person in corporate America
who exists. Right. What he has done with his companies
(42:12):
is absolutely incredible and in the truest sense of that
word hard to believe. The accomplishments that he has had
with SpaceX, with Tesla, I mean, the boring company buying Twitter,
turning into X. I mean, there's the things he has
done are remarkable and changing, not just America, but really changing,
(42:32):
I think the future destiny of the human species, at
least when we're talking about being multiplanetary, and he when
he talks about that, notice no one's laughing. He's very
serious because it is serious, because he's going to get
us to Mars. I mean, that's the mission, right, That's
what's even Elon Musk. I worry about his ability to
(42:53):
tame the Federal apparatus right now, but it's you know,
it's like the dragon that's terrorizing the villagers. You know,
where we're sending with Elon. You know, you're sending your
best night. You know. I'm a big fan of like
old tales from you know, King Arthur and the Legends
and all that. Uh, you know, you're sending your best
knight to go to go slay the dragon, and the
(43:15):
dragon in this case is a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy.
But according to Dragon breathed some fire and got some
big teeth. It's not going to be easy at all,
even for Elon and for Vivek, who you know is
very good at speaking about things, and I am very
hopeful that he will be able to do uh good
(43:36):
work there and and and take it take it down right.
But they're taking on a massive project, a massive project
that is not going to be easy in the least.
So yeah, I'm I'm just trying to be honest with
you guys, because I'm already seeing some of these uh,
some of these challenges come together in ways where you know,
(43:57):
we're very enthusiastic. There was that kind of high of
the Trump win and now it's okay, Well, what's this
really going to get into. Is Jay from Ohio still
with us?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I want to take this call Jay in Dayton, Ohio.
J what have you got for us?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Megaddo's for our lost friend Rush been listening for a.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Long long time.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Hey, I just think the I want to talk FBI,
but in context of what you've been discussing, as you know,
if Trump keeps putting heads of departments in place, like
you know, Vince McMahon's wife is now running the Department
of Education, do you think Musk and Vivic can go
after that now and say why does it? Why should
it exist? Same thing with FBI thirty five thousand employees
(44:39):
stood up by a tyrant back in the thirties. It's
only been around for about a third of our country's history.
Why not we have state police at all fifty states.
We have a chance here of people. But if we
appoint somebody to be the head of the FBI, how
is the dog you're going to go after that? How
is how is Elon and Vivek going to go take
those things out? So I think we're getting the car
(45:02):
tohead the horse and better figure out what agencies need
to go away before we start putting people in charge
of them.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, there's interesting, interesting points here, So I'll give you
a few things. First of all, if we could, the
FBI is just one of many now federal agencies that
have law enforcement authority as we know, right, and we
got a whole law Enforcement Agency for alcohol, tobacco, firearms,
and explosives. Like, wait, well isn't the FBI able to
(45:32):
enforce all those laws? What we got a drug enforcement administration?
Well you can't the FBI. Notice how it just spirals
off into all these other entities as well. It's so
much bigger than just one failing bureaucracy. And I know
a lot of you say I get this. I get
this from people where they'll write in, well, why aren't
(45:54):
there more whistleblowers. I was a low level guy at
the CIA. I was working on al Qaeda. My day
to day was just trying to figure out where's al Qaida?
How do we figure out where they are? So we
can tell you know, special forces, we can tell you know,
Tier one operators, we can speak to you know, we
can speak to Jaysack and you know whatever, find the
(46:16):
bad guys? Right, the whole game you've all seen zero
Dark Thorty trying to play find the bad guys. I
don't know what kind of games the director was playing.
I had no access to that. So we say whistleblower.
Now you're talking about whistleblowers that would have to be
in that ring of connectivity to the top of the
entity that are doing the political stuff. Right. You know,
(46:40):
if you're at the FBI and you're going to weigh
in on the Komi Struck page Russia collusion stuff, you'd
have to be most likely, you know, based in either
New York or the New York Officer DC office, depending,
You'd have to be senior enough that you knew, you know,
what's going on. And then you have to be willing
to go up against the beast. And they have a
(47:00):
lot the bureaucracy. Let me tell you, when you speak
out against the bureaucracy, it becomes nimble and vicious, this
big sort of lethargic like you know, it's all the
bureaucracy is like a grizzly bear that's about to hibernate
after gorging for months, right until somebody from within says
(47:21):
something and then all of a sudden, the claws come
out and this thing is a beast, and you're done.
So it's a question of how many people know, how
many people have access, how many people are willing to,
you know, risk their career, maybe even risk their freedom,
depending So it's not as simple as, oh, there's one
hundred thousand people plus who work in the DJ Why
(47:43):
haven't you know more of them? Because most of them
are like dealing with you know, people who are you know,
working with drug cartels and committing you know, massive financial
frauds against people. And that's what the most of the
work is a lot of it's drugs, a lot of
it it's you know, financial stuff. And so anyway, I'll
(48:04):
take some more calls here. I think this is important
stuff and it's it's necessary to get the Trump administration
is squared away as it can be with all this
in advance. So eight h two two eight A two.
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Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now.
Play is Traveling Buck. That would be me solo today
and plays back tomorrow. So we're gonna rock and roll
here for three hours, my friends. A lot to discuss
with you, particularly on the criminal justice front. Let me
(00:21):
tell you that if there is a theme I can
throw out for all of you today, it would be
if this was a we had law, jurorsprudence and social
thought was our pre law department at Ambers. We could
have started out the day or the class today with
what is justice exactly? Question mark? Because you have a
(00:42):
couple of things all coming together, the Daniel Penny trial,
which I want to get into some detail with you
on an update on Jesse Smolette. That's right, friends, and
it is not a good one for those who believe
in justice and sanity. And then also the continued freak
(01:03):
out over Matt Gates as the would be Attorney General
of the Trump administration to this day I will throw
out to this day despite all the things, never charged
with any crime of any kind, Congressman Gates, isn't that interesting?
Maybe they should start the discussions at least with that,
(01:26):
if they were thinking about this in legal terms, you
would assume, right, we always have to say alleged, But
he's not even really alleged, is he, because no one's
ever even brought charges. It's just in the ether. It's
just rumor. It's just stuff that people have said to
other people, but that no authority has ever actually decided
warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that that's
(01:51):
important to put out there because the way that all
these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you would
think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a negative
way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite of
the truth, and we like the truth here. So I
do want to start, though, if I can, with these
(02:12):
two moments in time, with our justice system of Daniel
Penny and I have the We're going to do a
deep dive, you and me. We're going to do a
deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay, and how this
went and what we now know about Daniel Penny, and
then I will get to what is going to be
called now by at least Jesse Smollette and his team,
(02:34):
the exoneration of Jesse Smollett. That's right, friends, they've overturned,
overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get
into why. I want to get into how this happens,
how it undermines our sense that the rule of law
is a real thing in this country, that accountability is
(02:55):
real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,
the lawlesses all around us, builds up and creates a perception,
creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,
meaning our legal system through which power is exercised instead
of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All
(03:19):
the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there
is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,
are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice
as a concept, it's either just or it is not.
You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a
reason why they do that. Let me get back into
Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is
(03:43):
I grew up in the worst version of New York
City by the numbers when it comes to violence. That
was my I grew up in it. I grew up
in a very nice part of that New York City,
but it was still dangerous. There were still thinks people.
I got mugged. Everyone I know is getting mugged. Cars
being broken into, people are being sexually assaulted, and nonprecedented
(04:04):
numbers something like twenty two hundred murders. When I'm in uh,
you know, they call it lower school, right third fourth
grade around there, twenty two hundred murders in New York City.
I mean now the number is, I don't know, between
four to six hundred, depending on the year. Last couple
of decades, twenty two hundred mers. New York City was
(04:25):
a dangerous place, and one of the main reasons for
it was people would keep getting arrested and not actually
punished in any meaningful way. I've spent eighteen months at
the NYPD Intelligence Division, and so I was riding around
a lot with cops who had been on the job
for twenty years. Guess what we did all day? We talked, right,
(04:47):
And that's basically what you do. You know what a
steakeout is, hanging out with a couple of detectives, you know,
eating takeout food and like, why are you know? Surveillance,
That's what it is, you know, watching what's going on
on the street for hours at a time. So you
learn a lot about I learned a lot of what
they went through, and they would tell what really sounded
like war stories about being in some of the very
difficult precincts, constant shootings, crack ec epidemic, all this stuff.
(05:09):
And then finally Giuliani comes in and he says enough
and there's a mandate from the city, from the people
of New York City that we actually just want to
be safe. That's the single most important thing. And then
we lost that because of the vile communist Moron de Blasio,
because of the BLM one point zero and BLM two
point zero, and this so called defund police and racial
justice movement all tied in together. Abolish prisons, by the way,
(05:33):
also a part of this, and it's all rooted in
the demographics of who gets arrested the most and serves
the most prison time in New York City. Is very
troubling to Democrats because they view it as something that
has to be racially balanced. I don't view it that way.
Any person can commit a crime and should be held
to account. We are all equal in the eyes of
(05:54):
God and the law, and it doesn't matter what those
numbers end up being. Riker's Island, the primary prison of
New York City is over ninety percent black and Hispanic.
That has been the case as long as I have
been alive. That is just the true. That is just
the number. Okay, So they say, well, that's unfair. There
must be a systemic racism. There must be something that
(06:16):
is creating those numbers, And the only way that they
should deal with it then is to have fewer people imprisoned,
Abolish prisons, defund police less enforcement. Guess what happens. We've
seen what happens. And in New York City specifically, they've
seen this major uptick, and they'll play games with these numbers. Oh,
it's so much safer than it was in the early nineties. Yeah,
(06:37):
but why are we going backwards? What possible rationale could
there be for a twenty five, a thirty, a forty
percent increase in violent crime in one year in New
York City. It was in COVID they tried that it
was a change in political will. Now enter Daniel Penny
and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape
(07:00):
facing right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary manslaughter charges
in New York City, and he's putting up his defense.
I will say, first and foremost, you hear this guy,
and he's a well intentioned person. He's a marine, he's trying.
He views himself because of his training, because of who
(07:22):
he is, because of his code of honor, which is,
by the way, a thing that all men should have. Right.
Oh yeah, masculinity, code of honor, These things should go together.
Daniel Penny thinks that it's his role to protect women
and children on the subway from a serial felon, a
clearly deranged person, a person who has violently assaulted already
(07:48):
numerous people on the subway. Broke a Asian American woman's
eye socket while she was waiting for a train, just
run up and punched her right in the face, shattered
her eye socket. How do you think that trip of
the hospital was for her? How do you think that
made her day? How'd that go for her family? About
why is this guy walking around the streets? Oh, you know,
social justice can't lock him up? Why? Oh that's the
(08:13):
Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now here's the
mistake from a legal procedure perspective. And this is very
frustrating because I think Daniel Penny's a young guy. You know,
it's easy for me to sit here. Former CIA, you know,
worked in worked with law enforcement, worked the federal government.
(08:36):
Understand how these things go easy for me to second
guess him. I understand though, that in the moment he's like,
I'm just trying to step in and help. I've got
nothing to hide. Well, unfortunately, the NYPD guys who sit down,
their job isn't to help the good guy the bad guy.
Their job is to just find the purpse, get all
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the information they can, and let the prosecutors make the decision.
They're not on his team. He sat down with them.
This is the interrogation, the eight minute long interrogation, and
they they they very quickly established rapport. You had a
former marine sitting with a former marine and they hear
play this. You can sort of hear this is straight
(09:17):
out I'm not I mean, this is what detectives do.
This is out of the one oh one playbook. Hey,
we're all buddies here, talk to us without a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Play its Oh nice, I said before gone, what you're
doing was I was fifty one.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
I was a thirty one.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh cool, she got your weapons with I was not military,
so I don't know what that stuff. That's like another
language derbitized. Six Marines.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Okay, there you goes there ninety six, two thousands.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Did my thing, and then I ended up here and
now I got to close.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
To twenty two years. You know, man, good passion.
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Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that's a good dame.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Anyway, listen to you. So we want to talk to
you about that today.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Sure thing, you're sitting around him and being cooperative.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's a trap and you just see him walking right
into it. And it's not because he's it's not because
he's a dumb guy. It's not because he's a bad guy.
It's because his adrenaline has been going and these guys
are approaching him in uh uh with a sense of
a kind of friendship tone and oh, I'm a marine,
you're a marine. Then they read him his Miranda rights
(10:32):
right after this. They went through it very clearly. They
made him verbalize, yes, you know you can have a lawyer.
Yes you know, you don't have to talk to us yet,
and then he started talking, don't talk to law enforcement
unless you have an attorney present, right, I mean, unless
you're like complaining about, you know, a neighbor's cat being
(10:55):
allowed to run through your yard or something. You know,
unless it's something very minor, if you're the target of
an investigation or the possible target of an investigation, don't
speak to law enforcement without an attorney present, especially the FBI,
by the way, and when with the NYPD, it's going
to be used against you, as it was here. But
(11:17):
with the FBI, they can say you lied, and then
you're facing a one zero zero one charge and they
can give you up the five years for that alone.
That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying
not insider trading. I really appreciated the the documentary that
came out recently. If you haven't seen it on Martha Stewart,
(11:40):
you know who you know who made sure she went away.
James Comy. James Comy, he's the one who decided she
was going to face charges for something that wasn't criminal.
She actually should be pardoned. I know she's a Democrat,
I know she voted Kamala. She should be fully pardoned.
And that's not even because I like Pistachio Cremberlet and
(12:01):
maybe she has some great Krimberlay recipes put that aside.
James Colemey showed us who he was with that, and
it only got worse with Trump. These detectives have laid
the trap and unfortunately Penny starts to walk into it here.
And it's heartbreaking because this guy's a marine who's trying
to defend, He's trying to protect, he's trying to do
the right thing. Now, I want to walk through the
(12:25):
rest of this interrogation with you. You need to hear
these different pieces of it because this goes to why
is this guy being charged again? What interest of justice
does this serve? What is the expectation that Alvin Bragg's
department in New York City, the District Attorney's office, what
is the expectation that they have for what you're supposed
(12:49):
to be able to subject yourself to. Here. I want
to talk to you about all of that and how
that also ties in with justse Smollett. Esse Smollett. I
know it wasn't I know, no one died. I know
it wasn't the same level of case. But it's the
justice system at work. And oh boy, did we get
(13:09):
to see who gets favoritism in this justice system? Who
gets special treatment. It's not the marine who served as country.
It's the disgraceful, cowardly overpaid actor because he's friends with Kamala,
because he's a DEI superstar, and the justice system decided
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Speaker 1 (15:02):
Welcome back into Clay an Buck. Honestly, the big breaking
news just happened them on the air. Matt Gates withdraws
his name as a possible attorney general under the Trump administration. So,
you know, I mean, if if they weren't going to
see it through, it makes me think that this was
a ploy all along, right, that this was meant to
(15:23):
be to be the I don't know, the uh the
fly zapper, if you will. Everything. They're all all morning Joe,
they're all freaked out about about Matt Gates doing this.
And I really mean what I said before as well.
If they have all these allegations, why never charges. That's
the part of this that I don't understand. It wouldn't
be that hard. They have sworn affidavits, they have witnesses,
(15:43):
they have all this stuff. Why no charges? If I
could get an answer to that, I feel like I'd
know a lot more about what's really going on here.
But maybe he also just wants to go, you know,
be married, live his life, and enjoy himself and not
be in the midst of this grum of the mess,
the melee that's going to be the early part of
(16:04):
the Trump administration. I've got to see. I haven't talked
to anybody, obviously, because it's just happened. I haven't talked
to anybody in Trump's orbit about how this decision finally
came down. It's not like they didn't know that there
were people who were going to come after him on
Like this stuff had all been known for a while, right,
(16:25):
it wasn't really new. By leaving early, he doesn't stop
the Congressional Report from possibly being released or even leaked.
I think it's going to be leaked. I mean it
shouldn't be, but it probably will be. You're not supposed
to do that, but they will. So what was the
point of all of this? That's it didn't last that long.
(16:47):
It certainly got the Libs very upset, which in and
of itself, I think there's something worthwhile in all of that.
But yeah, maybe the allegations alone were enough to just
make it too much of a distraction. I wonder. I
think there's some other very good people. And if I'm
sitting here and I'm saying who if I'm Trump, who
do I pick his ag It's Mike Lee. If Michael
(17:08):
will take the job, Senator Mike Lee, That's who I'd
put in. Guy who really knows the law, is unafraid,
you know, knows what he's taking on, knows the system,
super high IQ and a very you know very honorable
and distinguished record, right, so, which you know might be
(17:29):
an asset. I think I think you could probably find
somebody who goes in there and swings the sledgehammer, who
has a little less baggage. So that's a I'm just
trying to find the try to find the upsides here,
try to find the places where this can be well,
where this can be explained, because to me, the most
(17:51):
likely situation is that they did this knowing that. But
Mackets resigned from Congress, right, So that's the part. It's
not like he didn't take a big affirmative step that
we wanted to do this. I don't know. I mean
I would, I would say, let's get Matt on to
hear his point of view on this one, but he's
probably gonna be kind of limited in what he'll say
beyond Look, it was a mess, and I didn't want
(18:14):
to keep going through this and keep dealing with this.
But to me, this is an indicative of a strategy.
Probably I think they knew this was gonna happen, And
I think that there's some joy that Matt probably had,
Congressman Gates probably had in driving all of his enemies
(18:34):
completely insane. I mean, there were news stories about how
the whole swaths of the DOJ we're gonna resign, resign,
which and then people said, great, you know it's they're
they're doing the work of Doge before Doge can even
get there. But yeah, that that's the one for all
these people who say Gates broke the law, and not
(18:55):
just one. You know, there's the sort of the most
serious allegations against him, but there are a whole range
of you know, paying you know, even prostitutes who are
of age is illegal, right, I mean, you're not allowed
to send people money if they're you know, twenty years old,
They're still still illegal to do. So there's all these
different allegations of criminal activity, and I just said, I say,
(19:16):
why were no charges ever brought? And maybe I don't know,
maybe it's a statute of limitations thing, But if that
were the case, wouldn't they explain that, wouldn't they say that? Anyway?
The good news is I think it no longer provides
a foil for the Democrats because they had really been
digging in hard on this one. They had been saying,
(19:38):
you know, this shows you what a reckless mess the
Trump administration is going to be and he hasn't learned anything,
and it's all about loyalty to him. Well, now, I mean,
we can get somebody who I think is both really
loyal to the cause the constitution, loyal to the rule
of law, and isn't going to create quite the same vulnerabilities. Right,
(20:01):
you can get somebody in there who is You can
get somebody who's a brawler. I mean you look at
someone like Cash Patel, who I hope is going to
be the next FBI director. And Cash Patel knows the system,
knows where the bodies metaphorically are buried, right, knows what
the problem is within within FBI specifically dealt with it
(20:23):
with Faiza, and you know all the nonsense, the Russia
collusion nonsense they ran against Trump. So those are all
big parts of this, I think, to understand the excesses
and then to be able to maneuver within that system.
And Cash is a guy. He's a good guy. He's
(20:44):
an honorable guy. I'm not saying, you know, Gates, he
says none of this is true about him, But there's
no allegation. There's nothing about Cash that's like, oh my gosh,
you know, hair on fire, what's going on, and that's
true of a lot of the Trump nominees too. They've
also gone really hard after my friend Pete. He said,
so you know they're they're look, it's gonna be brass
(21:05):
knuckles in this this Trump administration taken by the media,
the Democrats. To anybody who's on from squad, we'll take
some calls coming up here, you know what, it'd be great.
Actually we got Uncle Bill joining us. There we go.
Uncle Bill can sit down and explain what he thinks
happened with Gates. Was it a ploy or was it
just too much heat?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You know?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Was this nomination meant to distract the Libs or do
they just get too freaked out? Or what what happened here?
We'll discuss that with Bill O'Reilly in just a few minutes.
And then I'll come back to the Jusse Smolette thing.
They just overturned his conviction. So now I was gonna
you know, I'm gonna tell you something's gonna drive you insane.
Not only did they overturn Jesse Smilet's conviction in Illinois,
(21:48):
he's going to go on to sue the state of
Illinois and he's going to get a seven figure payout.
That's my prediction. You watch you see Welcome Back in Everybody,
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show here Uncle Bill on
the hot seat. Our friend Bill O'Reilly confronting the presidents
his latest book, another bestseller, Bill Oreilly dot Com for
(22:11):
Bill's analysis daily and obviously you get links of the
book and things there as well. Bill. Do you ever
get tired of the best seller? Moniker? You know, does
it get old?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
There? Is?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It always fun?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
No, it's great because when I was a urchin, the
nuns used to say, are you ever going to read
a book? William? And now I'm the best selling nonfiction
author in the world. So those nuns, I mean, they're
not around, but somewhere in heaven they're going. We were wrong.
We were wrong about it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Oh. I think Mother Superior or whatever Bill was motivating you.
You know, that's how it was going.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It didn't work. I was a little thugged, but confronting
the president's number four. This coming Sunday after ten weeks
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because you've been very nice and mentioning the and we
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like that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Makes a great gift. I've got my copy here at home.
All right, Bill, I need you to explain what the
heck just happened here Gates Withdrew? Was it too much heat?
Or was this a gambit? Deploy all along? What happened here?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
All right? So I predicted a week ago that Matt
Gates would not be the Attorney General. It was not
a difficult prediction. Peter Haig Seth and RFK Junior will
not make the cabinet either.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And the reason is that even though Donald Trump has
tremendous power and momentum, by far the most powerful person
in the United States and in the world, the body
that he has to deal with, Congress, still maintains a
standard of behavior that sounds ridiculous. But most of the
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Senator and Congress people, you can only push them so far.
Very few on the Hill liked personally Matt Gates. They
didn't like what he did to McCarthy. They don't like
his demeanor, they don't like him. That matters a tremendous amount.
(24:21):
So Gates threw it in today, but he did so
under pressure from the Trump administration. They didn't want to
take any more heat. Same thing will happen with Hagseeth
and Bobby Kennedy Junior. What Washington wants is stability and
(24:42):
calm at this point, and that's a good thing. They
want the stock market to be confident, they want prices
to come down. They don't want side shows, and it
might not be fair to these three individuals. Certainly, Matt
Gates has been slimed and smeared, and the Justice Department
(25:03):
took a hard look at it and did not indict him.
And believe me, they would have had to be anything there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's my bill. Can I just jump in on that.
That's been my thing all along is if people keep
saying there's so much evidence, there's so much evidence, no charges.
I mean, it's not even we're saying there were charges
and not a conviction, no charges at all. To me,
that's got to indicate that they didn't think there was
a strong case, because we're talking about serious stuff. But
why would Trump? Did Trump miscount? Do you believe Trump
(25:30):
fundamentally miscalculated or is this a move to get the
to basically light all the libs hair on fire at
once inside a DOJ and elsewhere and now turn around
and say Okay, I bet you'll find my next nominee
is very reasonable.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
I don't think that was a conspiracy. I think that
Trump wanted to give the middle finger to a lot
of people and did it through nominating Gates and the others. Uh.
He's an emotional man. He's been through an unbelievable amount.
I keep saying that he's getting passive retribution. He doesn't
(26:10):
have to do this. Look at MSNBC. It's gone vaporized and.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He's basically destroyed CNN and MSNBC, right, I mean, those
brands will never be what they were sing.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'll hang on. MSNBC is gone. Yeah, And if you
read the message of the day on Bill O'Reilly dot com,
I explain why. But getting back to president like Trump,
he often reacts emotionally day to day and that usually
winds up hurting him. I think Pam Bondy will be
(26:43):
the next nominee and she'll sail through. But then he's
going to have to reevaluate Defense and Health and Human
Services because those two guys are not going to make it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Why as an RFK junior, is RFK junior not going
to make it? In your mind? For reasons that could
be construc rude as reasonable or is he not going
to make it because Big Pharmas still calls the shots,
even on the Republican side, and he's a threat to
too much money. Where's it a combination?
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Do you consider me a reasonable man?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
That's why I'm asking you for the reasonableness test?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
All right? So you consider me a reasonable man, and
that's your reputation book. I hope you understand that able,
all right. I would not vote for Robert Kennedy Junior
far why because of his conspiracy theories in the past.
I believe he's an opportunist. I think he would turn
on Trump very very quickly, and I just don't like
(27:41):
the measure of the man.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Can I tell you, Bill, I know you know you
join us frequently. Appreciate that if you if you were
familiar with the way this has gone on the show.
Clay has been a big believer in RFK Junior. I
have been incredibly skeptic. Clay's not here today to give
that point of view, so I'm just bringing this to
the audience's attention. Usually he's very I think RFK has
changed and he's converted, and he's and I'm like, as
(28:04):
guy's a Democrat. Can't trust him like I don't know.
I just I wouldn't do.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
A party designation on it myself. And Clay might be right,
he might be a changed man, but I can't take
that chance if I'm a senator. Yeah, any more qualified
people to go up against big Pharma. Look, Kennedy has
an excellent point of view on food. Food is killing Americans.
(28:28):
We're being deceived by these food companies. The sugar and
the artificial crap that we are putting into our bodies
is insane. The federal government has an absolute obligation, just
as they did with tobacco, to make everybody understand that
Kennedy is one hundred percent right, But it's his overall
(28:52):
view of the world that it's a very giant conspiracy place.
I can't give that kind kind of a point of
view power if I'm senator.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Speaking of Bill O'Riley, Confronting the President's is his latest bestseller.
Go get your copy. Great gift for the holidays, All right, Bill,
I want to switch switch gears for a second because
this Daniel Penny case playing out in New York City
right now, I'm I'm worried we're going to have a
reporter from the courtroom who's been there every day with
us tomorrow from New York Post. Does great work. I'm
(29:24):
hearing from writing of reading her writing and hearing from
her and others that this is looking it's looking a
little bit bleak right now for Penny based on some
of the testimony and some of the way this is going.
How are you seeing this and what do you how
do you view the overall issues? This is a political
issue now, I mean, this is going to be something
that a lot of people across the country. This is
(29:45):
not a local crime story. How do you see it
playing out?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't believe mister Penny will ever go to prison.
I think there'll be a hung jury will get thrown out.
His really was on radio New York Radio today. Didn't
him concerned?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Okay, all defense lawyer wasn't you know? I didn't have
ad it. He was very very calm. It is in
New York City jury. But to me, there's so much
reasonable doubt in this case, so much testimony in his favor,
(30:23):
that any appeals court would overturn any conviction.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
In my opinion, I certainly look, I certainly hope so
I've I've been concerned because you know, they're going very
much with uh. The prosecution has been saying, oh, look,
we don't have a problem with him stepping in to
defend people and even using force. It's just he went
he held him too long around the throat. Basically. Well,
(30:47):
of course, you know, I mean, you don't have to
convince me.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
If I was on that jury, or if I was
the prosecutor, it never even would have been brought, right,
But I'm worried about what that New York jury is
going to do. You sound pretty confident, not certain, obviously
confident that there's enough reasonable doubt you get to at
least a hung jury.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Or a conviction will quickly overturned down appeal. Yeah. So
you know, look, all I can do is put together
my analysis based on what I see and hear. And
I listened to Penny's lawyer quite carefully this morning, and
I did not hear any trepidation.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
And just one more for you, Jesse Smollette, Illinois State
Supreme Court has flipped that that conviction it's gone now right,
I mean, they have overturned it. It is he Jusse
Smollette is walking around smiling and no, you know now,
now he has one in court. I believe in friends
of mine who are lawyers agree with me. They've already
(31:45):
reached out to me. He's going to sue the state
of Illinois now, which is just even adding insult to injury.
How did this happen?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Smallllett is guilty. He tried to falsely gin up a controversy.
His life is over. He's not going to be an
actor anymore. He's not going to do anything. He can
wander around say, sue whatever he wants. I think this
will quickly disappear. You might be right. He might get
(32:16):
some lawyers together to try to sue the state Illinois.
He'll lose, but in the totality of the case, he
is done in this country.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right? Everybody go check out the copy of Confronting
the Presidents Bill Oreilly dot com as well for Bill's
daily analysis there. Bill always appreciate making the time for
us and bold predictions that I hope you are. I
hope you're right, and you'll come back and talk to
us about it when we got more.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Okay, sure, anytime, Buck, Happy Thanksgiving.
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Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Let's take
some calls because we haven't gotten many calls today. We
haven't taken any calls today. We always get on the calls.
Eight hundred two A two two eight eight two. How
are we feeling about how it's all shaken shaking together,
coming together, shaking up, shaking together, coming up whatever on
the Trump cabinet and all these different picks and on
(34:15):
all the stuff that we are seeing right now. I
think it is certainly worth a conversation among all of
us about what should be some of the next moves.
I still really like Cash Betel for FBI. I know
it's Trump's call currently. Christopher rais the FBI director. It's
believed he would resign before Trump would come into office.
I don't know if that will happen. Things are going
(34:36):
to be changing here quite clearly so. And the Matt
gets step down has got a lot of people thinking, Okay, well,
why we were all sitting here saying well, not we
were all, but a lot of people were sitting here saying, well,
he deserves process and he should have his say before
the Senate. And if Trump thinks this is the guy
let's hear what he has to say, and now he's out. Okay,
(34:59):
not say it's the first time, but it's uh, I
don't know, it doesn't something doesn't smell right unless this
was the plan all along. And it's just here's what
I can say, pretty for the who who for the
consensus about DC matters. However, you wanted to find that
(35:22):
any nominee for any senior level government position under the
Trump administration is going to be less controversial than that Gates.
That is the truth anybody. I mean, that's like realistically,
in play, you will not find somebody who is gonna
get libs. I think more upset the RFK junior thing.
(35:44):
I thought Bill O'Reilly was very interesting on this at
just saying you know that he he does you know Bill,
Bill was you know, not not in the pro RFK
junior running the show camp over at h HHS. Doesn't
think he's gonna get through the Senate either, which is interesting.
He said, I think he did. Guys, did he say
the word opportunist or am I is that somebody else
(36:05):
on our cutsheet that said it. I don't want to
misquote Bill. I think he felt like he was being
opportunistic RFK Junior. I think, I think that's what he
said A lot of words here on the show, so
I can't always remember absolutely everything. And then Pete Hegsath,
who's been a friend of mine, Look this stuff that's
coming out again. There's a lot of heat. And there's
the part of us that all wants to say, well,
(36:26):
they shouldn't be able to you know, now you get
caught in this game up. Should they be able to
submarine torpedo all torpedoes, I guess come from No, Actually,
submarines aren't the only things that have torpedoes, right, Ships
can have torpedoes, I think anyway, torpedo a nomination to
(36:47):
torpedo a nomination based on an allegation, right, not on
an adjudicated fact, based on an allegation. You got understand
A lot of us are very uncomfortable with that because
of what we saw with Cavin at all, where it
was non adjudicated and nonsensical. The allegations against Kavanaugh were
both non adjudicated and nonsensical, absurd, all of them. Okay,
(37:11):
I heard it all out. I saw I heard all
the evidence and the testimony. I never that there was
no evidence there was just some crazy lady who was
trying to be a hero of the left, and then
a couple of other crazy ladies too, which they always
try to leave those ones out. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, Bill, Yeah,
Bill said, I'm a team again. I never want to misquote.
I guess that we have. Bill said that RFK Junior
seems like an opportunist to him. I mean, that's uh,
(37:35):
you know, I'll just say it. You know, not everyone
sold on RFK Junior. And you know, I'm not going
to walk back from my uh my trepidation there, my
concerns about I agree with him on a lot of
the food stuff. Yeah, but is he the guy to
run AJHS. I think it's worth looking at this closely.
(37:58):
And you know, you're starting to look at some of
these picks and you're wondering what really is the method
to the madness if it is madness in the first place.
And yeah, it's all going to be very interesting, my friends.
As this continues, we shall have to follow it closely.
We shall have to look at where the president elect
takes all of this. And I don't think we want
(38:21):
to have unnecessary own goals. Here we go. We got
a talkback here from San Antonio listener Luis. He's saying,
Ken Paxton for a g this is d D play it.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Attorney General Ken Paxton. He's got a long track record
of fighting the government and secure in the Texas borders.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Ken Paxson, outstanding pick. Ken Paxon will make a lot
of sense to me. Attorney General of Texas. Clearly qualified.
He's already attorney general of the second largest state. So
you know, you could see how that would It's not
a difficult leap to think that he would be in
that He would be a good choice for that role.
I think he's certainly aligned with the Trump agenda when
(39:06):
it comes to the cleaning up the border issue and
securing the border. Let's take some calls here too. Uh
Duff from Virginia. Duff, what have you got for us? Yes,
sir Cash Battel, what about him?
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Hotel for Cash Battal for Attorney General Dan Bonjo to
head the FBI and Tiger Service on home land security
and give Tulsi all the intelligence apparatus.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Cash.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I don't have.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Anything on him, Cash, Uh, you know, and I always
thank you for the call. I always like to tell
you this. I consider Cash your friend. He's a good man.
UH known him for years. I like Cash. I think
he'd be great. I've said it before, I've said again,
I'm not impartial, because you know, I I know Cash
a bit, so there's that, But I really do as
objective as I can be. I think that he'd be
(39:59):
great in the role at FBI. And I'm not the
A lot of people are saying that, a lot of
people who I think have very informed opinions on this
and on the kind of platform where they can get
the word out there. Dan Bongino is a is a
great guy, a patriot work at secret service. I think
he'd be phenomenal. People are I don't know if he's
even considering the job. I think he'd be phenomenal in
(40:20):
the job, uh and would do great service to the country.
And uh, you don't have to worry about anybody backing
him into a corner. He would, he would get it done.
And then who is the third the third name? Oh,
Tulsi Gabbart. You guys know, I like I like Tulsi.
I think she's very I think she's a fundamentally good person. Uh,
(40:41):
to the degree that you can assess that based on
your kind of public interactions with somebody. But I think
that I think her heart's in the right place. I
don't I don't mean that in a condescending way. I
really mean that. I think that she has a love
of the country. I think she's seen what's become of
the Democrat Party. I think that her conversion to the
right is real. I don't think it's opper tunism. I
(41:02):
can tell you that the intelligence agencies are far more wiley, cunning,
good at just just sort of smothering you with you know,
the bureaucratic, slow moving, everything has to be signed off
in a million ways. It's she's taken on quite a
(41:25):
beast with that and does not have any background in it.
Does not have a background, And that's fair to say, Yes,
she has a background the military. Let me tell you
anybody who's worked in the CIA or the intelligence community.
They'll say, yeah, that's the military. The intelligence community is
a whole, its own ball of axe, its own thing.
And I think that's yeah, that's going to be a
(41:50):
challenge for her. So again, I hope she rises to
that challenge, and I have faith that she will. But
it's not going to be easy at all. Look I
think Elon Musk is one of the most impressive people, certainly,
I think probably the most impressive person in corporate America
who exists. Right. What he has done with his companies
(42:12):
is absolutely incredible and in the truest sense of that
word hard to believe. The accomplishments that he has had
with SpaceX, with Tesla, I mean, the boring company buying Twitter,
turning into X. I mean, there's the things he has
done are remarkable and changing, not just America, but really changing,
(42:32):
I think the future destiny of the human species, at
least when we're talking about being multiplanetary, and he when
he talks about that, notice no one's laughing. He's very
serious because it is serious, because he's going to get
us to Mars. I mean, that's the mission, right, That's
what's even Elon Musk. I worry about his ability to
(42:53):
tame the Federal apparatus right now, but it's you know,
it's like the dragon that's terrorizing the villagers. You know,
where we're sending with Elon. You know, you're sending your
best night. You know. I'm a big fan of like
old tales from you know, King Arthur and the Legends
and all that. Uh, you know, you're sending your best
knight to go to go slay the dragon, and the
(43:15):
dragon in this case is a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy.
But according to Dragon breathed some fire and got some
big teeth. It's not going to be easy at all,
even for Elon and for Vivek, who you know is
very good at speaking about things, and I am very
hopeful that he will be able to do uh good
(43:36):
work there and and and take it take it down right.
But they're taking on a massive project, a massive project
that is not going to be easy in the least.
So yeah, I'm I'm just trying to be honest with
you guys, because I'm already seeing some of these uh,
some of these challenges come together in ways where you know,
(43:57):
we're very enthusiastic. There was that kind of high of
the Trump win and now it's okay, Well, what's this
really going to get into. Is Jay from Ohio still
with us?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I want to take this call Jay in Dayton, Ohio.
J what have you got for us?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Megaddo's for our lost friend Rush been listening for a.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Long long time.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
Hey, I just think the I want to talk FBI,
but in context of what you've been discussing, as you know,
if Trump keeps putting heads of departments in place, like
you know, Vince McMahon's wife is now running the Department
of Education, do you think Musk and Vivic can go
after that now and say why does it? Why should
it exist? Same thing with FBI thirty five thousand employees
(44:39):
stood up by a tyrant back in the thirties. It's
only been around for about a third of our country's history.
Why not we have state police at all fifty states.
We have a chance here of people. But if we
appoint somebody to be the head of the FBI, how
is the dog you're going to go after that? How
is how is Elon and Vivek going to go take
those things out? So I think we're getting the car
(45:02):
tohead the horse and better figure out what agencies need
to go away before we start putting people in charge
of them.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well, there's interesting, interesting points here, So I'll give you
a few things. First of all, if we could, the
FBI is just one of many now federal agencies that
have law enforcement authority as we know, right, and we
got a whole law Enforcement Agency for alcohol, tobacco, firearms,
and explosives. Like, wait, well isn't the FBI able to
(45:32):
enforce all those laws? What we got a drug enforcement administration?
Well you can't the FBI. Notice how it just spirals
off into all these other entities as well. It's so
much bigger than just one failing bureaucracy. And I know
a lot of you say I get this. I get
this from people where they'll write in, well, why aren't
(45:54):
there more whistleblowers. I was a low level guy at
the CIA. I was working on al Qaeda. My day
to day was just trying to figure out where's al Qaida?
How do we figure out where they are? So we
can tell you know, special forces, we can tell you know,
Tier one operators, we can speak to you know, we
can speak to Jaysack and you know whatever, find the
(46:16):
bad guys? Right, the whole game you've all seen zero
Dark Thorty trying to play find the bad guys. I
don't know what kind of games the director was playing.
I had no access to that. So we say whistleblower.
Now you're talking about whistleblowers that would have to be
in that ring of connectivity to the top of the
entity that are doing the political stuff. Right. You know,
(46:40):
if you're at the FBI and you're going to weigh
in on the Komi Struck page Russia collusion stuff, you'd
have to be most likely, you know, based in either
New York or the New York Officer DC office, depending,
You'd have to be senior enough that you knew, you know,
what's going on. And then you have to be willing
to go up against the beast. And they have a
(47:00):
lot the bureaucracy. Let me tell you, when you speak
out against the bureaucracy, it becomes nimble and vicious, this
big sort of lethargic like you know, it's all the
bureaucracy is like a grizzly bear that's about to hibernate
after gorging for months, right until somebody from within says
(47:21):
something and then all of a sudden, the claws come
out and this thing is a beast, and you're done.
So it's a question of how many people know, how
many people have access, how many people are willing to,
you know, risk their career, maybe even risk their freedom,
depending So it's not as simple as, oh, there's one
hundred thousand people plus who work in the DJ Why
(47:43):
haven't you know more of them? Because most of them
are like dealing with you know, people who are you know,
working with drug cartels and committing you know, massive financial
frauds against people. And that's what the most of the
work is a lot of it's drugs, a lot of
it it's you know, financial stuff. And so anyway, I'll
(48:04):
take some more calls here. I think this is important
stuff and it's it's necessary to get the Trump administration
is squared away as it can be with all this
in advance. So eight h two two eight A two.
Who should be ag any other ideas about these picks
and any thoughts on why Gates dropped out? Now I
want to speak to about the Preborn Network of Clinics.
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(48:27):
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