Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Nov 26 2024

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Happy early Thanksgiving. This will be the final show for me,
either Buck or me before we go into the holiday.

(00:23):
We will have a show all brand new. Former Rush
Limbaugh employee Brett winter Bowl will be in tomorrow because
I know many of you are going to be out
working or you're going to be traveling, and then there
will be best of Yes, there are best moments from
this show, despite the belief otherwise from some of you.
On Thursday and Friday of the program, Buck's already with

(00:45):
his family. He will be speaking tonight, by the way,
in New York City at the New York Republican Club. Ali.
You can correct me if I messed up that name.
But those of you listening on WOER will post the
link to where Buck will be on clayanbuck dot com
if you are interested in seeing Buck speak. He is

(01:06):
going to be up in New York City with his
family for Thanksgiving, and like I said, we will both
be back together on Monday as we roll into a
brand new month with all of you an inch closer
to the Trump inauguration. Saw something that I thought was
really fascinating that was shared yesterday. I believe this is

(01:29):
from the New York Times data on how the election
moved groups that have shifted towards Republican going all the
way back to two thoy and twelve, and I thought
this was super interesting because sometimes I feel like you

(01:50):
can get lost in how things are moving around you
and obsessing on a day to day basis. You may
have heard me talk about this some reason that I
liked writing American Playbook, and I know Buck and I
have talked about this some on the show, but I
know we've talked about it off the show. When you
write a book, you're thinking on a longer horizon than

(02:13):
when you're doing a show like this, and there's very
different aspects associated with that. But I would imagine millions
of you are listening to me right now. Millions of
you will listen on the podcast, but almost none of
you will go back and listen to this show a
week from now. That is we are here, we are now,

(02:34):
We are discussing everything that is going on in the
world for these three hours, but a week from now,
all of the stories, by and large will have changed.
Now there's overall principles that remain consistent, but the particular
facts and circumstances adjust. And sometimes I think you can
get lost in worrying about the day to day and

(02:58):
not notice the over trajectory of progress or of decline.
And I think about this all the time, not only
in terms of talking to all of you, but as
a guy who started a business when I started out
kick people, you have to be pretty good every day,

(03:18):
and if you can stack together a lot of pretty goods,
eventually you can create something that is very lasting and important.
And that's true in all facets of life. A lot
of people don't get started because they're so worried about
the end result that they don't start the process of

(03:39):
what it takes to get to the end result. And
I try to focus on this a lot with my
own kids. And you can think about this more as
you become a parent, maybe as you become a grandparent.
Kids have the luxury of time, and you have to
be really kind of talking to them about get a

(03:59):
little bit better every day, focus on something, whatever it
might be, and just put that work ethic into it
and over time the results stack up. This is true.
I had a a writing instructor back in college, and
I said, and I think it's one of the best
pieces of advice I ever got. I said, how do

(04:22):
you write a book? He said, You show up in
front of the computer every single day and you write.
And that sounds really simple. But people want to make
something that they haven't done sound more complicated because then
if they don't do it, they feel better about themselves.
And he built it up even more. He said, you know,

(04:45):
I think about writing a book like I think about
going to the gym. If you want to be in shape,
you pretty much have to show up and put the
work in every single day. You can't just go to
the gym one day month and think that you're gonna
get results. It's about putting forth the effort every single day,

(05:07):
showing up, and sometimes it's frustrating because on an individual
basis you might not get the results you want. I've
seen that from a writing perspective. You have to sit
down and write for a certain amount of time, and
at the end of the day you may be like, man,
I don't think I was that good today. You probably
have felt that if you go to the gym, you're
trying to get on the bench press and you're like, boy,

(05:29):
I wasn't very good today. I didn't set any personal records,
or you jog and you just feel like crap. It's
about being there every day, and I think a lot
of the Trump momentum, a lot of people lost it
in getting distracted in the every day because you're like, oh,

(05:50):
did you see what Trump did today? And you're not
thinking about stacking a bunch of pretty goods. You're starting
to see what happens in the Republican Party when you
stack some pretty goods. You know, I'm a sports guy.
Football games. You bust your ass if you play your

(06:12):
coach football for forty to fifty sixty seventy hours a
week and then you get judged on one three hour
performance and you might be good, you might be bad,
But it's a small segment of the work that you
put out there. Over time. If you're doing good work,
you start to get good results. But any one game

(06:34):
you might not get the results you want. Why do
I bring that up. I think you're starting to see
a lot of the pretty goods stacked from Trump over
the last decade and the impact that it's seeing in
the election. We just saw it in a big way
in twenty twenty four, and I think a lot of
people haven't noticed it. You know, the only group that

(06:58):
Kamala Harris did better with, based on the data that
I've seen, than Joe Biden, college educated white people. Everybody else,
Kamala Harris lost ground on. And I want to hit
you with this data. This is from the New York Times.

(07:19):
Groups shifting towards Republican. You might feel it, but the
Republican Party looks a lot different today, and it's stronger,
and it's more vibrant than it has been maybe at
any point in the twenty first century, because it actually
reflects becoming to be a real what the country looks

(07:43):
like moment. Let me give you this. In twenty twelve, Republicans,
let me say Democrats. Democrats won black voters ninety five
to four. Let me repeat that. In two thousand and two,
twelve Democrats won black voters by ninety one points, ninety

(08:07):
five to four. Now that was Barack Obama's second term.
Black voters showed up in a big way for Barack Obama.
What just happened in the twenty twenty four election, Democrats
only won black voters by seventy two points, according to
The New York Times. That's a lot, still a really
big margin, primarily driven by black women, by the way,

(08:31):
but that means Republicans have improved by nineteen points among
black voters in the space of twelve years. That's pretty extraordinary.
That means now again, that shift over time is a
big overall impact from Democrats plus ninety one to Democrats

(08:57):
plus seventy two. Okay, it's not just there. Twenty twelve,
Hispanic voters voted for Democrats by thirty nine points, sixty
nine to thirty. How About in the most recent election nationwide,
Hispanics only voted for Democrats by ten points. Republicans have

(09:21):
gained twenty nine points among Hispanic voters over the last
twelve years. How about Asian In twenty twelve, Asian voters
sixty seven to thirty two voted for Democrats. In this
most recent election, Asian voters Democrats only won by eighteen

(09:45):
That's a Republican plus seventeen shift in twelve years. Again,
this non white voters. Over the last twelve years, Black
voters Republicans plus nineteen Hispanic voters Republicansians plus twenty nine,
Asian voters Republicans plus seventeen. All right, what's going on here?

(10:11):
Democrats have a major branding issue. They have allowed their
party to be taken over by highly educated, to a
large extent, white women, and that worldview of highly educated
white women turns off black, Hispanic and Asian voters male

(10:36):
and female in a huge way. And the branding, I
think is only going to grow because listen to this.
In twenty twelve, young voters those eighteen to twenty nine
voted for the Democrat Party plus twenty five. This most

(10:58):
recent election, it was to Democrats plus eleven. That is
a Republican fourteen point surge, driven overwhelmingly by young men.
The country is revolting against Democrat ideals. Many of you

(11:20):
out there listening to me right now are frankly like me.
You are past Democrat voters. In fact, let's do that,
be thankful for you. Let's open up the phone lines.
I only want to hear from people listening to us
right now who were first time Trump voters. In twenty

(11:42):
twenty four, only people who voted for Donald Trump for
the first time, and by the way. When I say this,
do you know what happens? The phone lines get flooded
and people say, I voted for Trump all three times.
That's not what I'm asking for. I appreciate you, You'll right,
you're great. I want only first time Trump voters. I'm

(12:06):
talking about stacking together pretty goods. You don't build a
house in one day. You don't write a book in
one day. You don't develop a relationship in one day.
You stack together a lot of pretty goods. You don't
raise a kid in one day. You try to stack
together as many pretty good days. People want to be excellent.

(12:30):
That's great. Excellent days are amazing. You don't win with excellent,
You win with pretty good every day. Because you're getting
a little bit of gain every day and you're not
going backwards. Make your goal pretty good. You get a
lot of pretty goods. Excellent becomes commonplace, my ted talk,

(12:50):
my life advice. But I'd like to hear from you
out there listening here on Thanksgiving week. We are thankful
for you first time Trump voters, in particular, especially if
you're listening to me right now, when you're young, maybe
this was your first ever election. I would love to
hear from y'all as we're rolling through the Tuesday edition

(13:11):
of the program, because I am particularly thankful for all
of you. By the way, we got a fun show
headed your way. Let me give you a little bit
of a roadmap. My buddy Joel Klatt. A lot of
you out there. No Joel, he is going to be
calling the Michigan Ohio state game. He's been a longtime
friend of mine. He's gonna hop on. We'll have some
fun with that with him in Thanksgiving week. And then

(13:31):
Charlie Kirk, one of the guys out there runs Turning
Point that is most I think responsible for many of
these swing states going the way they did, and for
outreach to young men in particular on college campuses. He's
gonna join us in the third hour. I think that
you guys will enjoy that as well. But I want

(13:51):
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(15:42):
I know many of you are hitting the roads all
over the country. Airports are going to be jammed. I'm
hopping a flight to Florida tonight with my two oldest boys.
Much of my family already down there. Cannot wait to
hang out with them. Reminder, we will have a live
show tomorrow with guest host Brent Winterbol who's been part
of the Rush family for a very long time, and

(16:02):
then there will be best of Thursday and Friday. Joel
Klatt joins us now Fox lead college football analysts. Do
you think there's actually a best of version of this show?
Or based on my past history, do you question whether
there's any good radio I've ever done, Joel.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, as long as there's like significant amount of Buck,
I'm sure you sprinkled in something along the lines, like
some sort of quip or joke, but Buck wouldn't likely
be the large, the large contingent of the.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Best of Yes, I appreciate you being such a fan
you are. I don't know if you're still in California.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Where we get started on college football. Can I just
give your audience, which is, by the way, significant, So
congratulations to you because you've.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
The largest anywhere in radio. Humbly, Yes, but yes, what
would you like to tell the audience?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
You can't say, oh, largest ever and then humbly, But
that's I know your personality, so I get it. So
do you want to talk about, like eleven years ago,
the conversation that you and I had in the shattle
room at Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yes, you tell the people because I've talked about my
political evolution, but you and I for people who don't know,
Joel is and I hate to give him a compliment,
but the best person at calling college football games, I
think in the country right now, he will be calling
for all of you that are not huge college football fans.
Because Joel Buck had never been to a college football

(17:29):
game in his entire life. He grew up in New
York City until I took him to Ole Miss, Alabama,
and can you imagine his cultural experience? Like you played
quarterback in college football, you're well versed in how awesome
college football is. Buck had never been to a game,
had no idea college football even existed as a big
social event.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm sure his mind was blown, totally, completely bum because
it's the furthest thing from professional sports. Professional sports. Hey,
they're great, but they're very corporate, very yes, And you
go to a college football game and it is the
most tribal like, unique and organic type of sporting event
that you could find, certainly in this country. And I

(18:12):
think that from what I understand it, it rivals kind
of like Premier League soccer style tribalism. So yes, yeah,
I bet that that was incredible.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Oh, he was blown away. He was like, I had
no idea that this entire subculture existed, or Joel that
everybody at the Alabama ol Miss game loved him and
agreed with almost everything he said. You know, so he's
in New York City, like voting for Donald Trump and
people are just like, I hate you, you know, like,
go to hell, what are you doing in that reg
red maga hat? And then he's down in Tuscaloosa and

(18:43):
people are like, hey, do you want to drink pretty girls?
He was single at the time, walking around in sun dresses,
like everywhere, everybody's happy, joyful, and he's like, this is
kind of a mate. Weather's perfect. He's like, this is unbelievable.
But that's background for Buck. I thought you should know.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
So this is where Clay and I met as we
were doing a college football show on Fox Sports about
eleven years ago when when Fox Sports won first started
and Clay would fly out and we'd do a Saturday
morning show. So we got to sit and watch college
football and what we call the avocado.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Room or like a normal green room.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And so I'm getting to know Clay and he's getting
to know me, and you know you and I immediately,
you know, click on college football, and you're a contrarian.
So we would argue about college football, and then all
of a sudden one day, you know, we start getting
into like social aspects and cultural aspects and then politics,

(19:39):
and you were just died in the wool. You were like, oh, yeah,
I'm a Democrat. And then you were explaining all your
positions and I was like, hey, Clay, like, no, you're
not You're a Republican. And you were like, I am
not a Republican. There's no way I worked for al
Gore and you shouted at me like three times I
worked for Al Gore, and I remember telling you at

(20:01):
the time. I was like, Clay, you're a conservative, you
just don't even know it yet. And then here we are.
And so now every time I see you, I just
have a little bit of a smirk that I feel
like I was a small part in your red pill.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I mean, in all honesty. In twenty thirteen, when you
and I started doing college football together at Fox, the
country hadn't gone totally and completely insane. And I know
you've got three boys yourself too, but like it's crazy.
I started off the show talking about, for instance, the
evolution of there's a lot of people out there that

(20:38):
are listening to us right now, Joel that are black, White,
Asian and Hispanic that voted for Barack Obama that were thinking,
like me, hey, I'm a Democrat. And then one day
you look around and people are like, hey, you know,
if you're a dude who wants to say that you're
a girl, you should be able to win a women's championship.
And you're like, what, And you have to believe that

(21:00):
in order to vote Democrat, Like it's kind of crazy.
What the test, but the proxy became right. It went
from you know, hey, what do you think the tax
rate should be? To hey, if you say you're a
different sex than you actually are, I have to acknowledge,
believe it, and actually award you a women's sports championship
to be a democratic good standing. And some people are

(21:20):
just like, yeah, that's that's a bridgeway too far.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Well clearly, and and yeah that's wild. So that's that's
how Play and I became friends.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
And it started.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It started with college football, and you know, and has
has evolved now outside of college football. I'm incredibly proud
of you, buddy. I know that I choke on that
a little bit, but you know, I am. You're doing
a great job.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Let me let me ask you this. By the way,
Buck makes fun of me, but you mentioned that we
became friends initially because we're both big college football fans.
I naturally trust college football fans, regardless of what team
they root for, even Alabama fans, more than I do
people who are not college football fans. I bet with

(22:06):
what you do. You also have that same feeling because
there is some sort of innate foundational connection there, even
if you root for different teams. I think that is
more substantial than just college football fandom. Do you feel
that same way?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, so I'll probably give myself in trouble for saying
it this way, but whatever, it's your show. So I
think that college football is one of the most American
things in our sporting world. It is totally and almost
completely void of the political influence that we've seen in

(22:47):
professional sports. And I think, having been around it my
whole life, there's a purity to college football that maybe
doesn't exist in other arena is of sport. And so
because of that, when when I see or or hear from,
or talk with or converse with people in our sport,

(23:09):
around our sport that love our sport, I know that
there is a genuine love of that and not some
sort of ulterior motive, if that makes sense. And I
think that's what I've kind of boiled it down to.
I know, you say from a trust factor, but there's
there's a love of our sport that is just deeper

(23:30):
than anything else, and there's no other avenue that I
feel like people are trying to get there. And and
also if you tell me, like, wow, I'm not a
fan of college football, well, then I assume that you're
just like an academic, and I don't trust academics at all.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
We're talking to Joel Klatt. Let me let me also
dive into this with you, because I don't think we
talked about it much publicly, but you and I fought
super hard and you did it publicly, which was actually
rare for people in sports media to have seasons played
in sports during COVID. Why do you think that was
so important? And looking back on it now four years later, Hey,

(24:09):
by the way, you and I and everybody who fought
and said we can do this safely were one hundred
percent right, And it's amazing all those people who said
we couldn't do it, they just pretend that argument never happened. Right.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, it wasn't about football. It was about freedom, and
it was about the idea that something could be told
to us that didn't have to be proven. And in
many ways the way it was communicated to us was
false and under false pretense. And yet we had to

(24:43):
sit there and just take it because that's why I pushed.
It wasn't specifically for football or anything else I was
I was pushing for I know it sounds so stupid,
But for free them, Clay, and for me. You know, this,

(25:04):
this idea that we were just going to with with
limited knowledge, give up was something I was not willing
to do. My dad fought in Vietnam. I knew the
importance of college football. I knew the importance of maintaining

(25:25):
social perspective in terms of trying to achieve a goal.
I knew how important college football was to the individuals
playing it. I knew important how important college football was
to the fans that wanted to see it to the
other sports. So you see, here's the thing that people
don't understand. It's not just a college football game. That
college football game is supporting every single athlete at that

(25:47):
university and within that conference. So every opportunity given in
an athletic endeavor in college athletics is provided by college football.
And if we just decide that we were going to
forego that, we were impacting thousands of people that aren't
even involved in the sport. And for all of those reasons,

(26:08):
I was completely unwilling to be silent.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And I'm glad you weren't. And we won, and the
season was played, and it ended up a tremendous success.
You are going to be in Columbus, Ohio this weekend
calling Michigan Ohio State. It's going to be one of
the most watched regular season games of the year. For
people who have never watched the big Game, why should
they check it out? And for people that are fired

(26:35):
up to watch it, what do you expect to see?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
So this is the greatest rivalry that we have in
American sports, all due respect to everything else. Professional sports
doesn't touch this. And even in college football, even though
you think Tennessee, Florida is some sort of great rivalry,
it's not compared to Ohio State Michigan. This thing is like,
it goes so deep and traditions at both of these schools.

(27:00):
And what makes this iteration so interesting to me is
that Ohio State, which had owned the rivalry for the
better part of about twenty years, they've gotten beat three
straight years by Michigan. Michigan won the national championship, And
so there is this deep hatred between these schools and
this idea that Ohio State, even as successful as they are,

(27:21):
they're the number two team ranked in the country. They're
ten to one, and even though Michigan's not had a
great season, there's this idea that nothing, nothing, will make
the season of success unless they're able to beat Michigan.
They have to do it, and from that standpoint, it's
just incredibly, incredibly interesting. I expect Ohio State will play

(27:44):
really well. They're one of the best teams in the country,
and Michigan would like nothing more than to ruin the
Buckeye season because of the hatred that goes way back
into the nineteen sixties between Woody Hayes and Bo Schimbecker.
So these are things that are so fascinating to me.
And then you've got all the aspects of the college
Football Playoff. Those of you listeners that are not super

(28:04):
college football fans, here's the deal. The College Football Playoff
has expanded, has gone to twelve teams, and there's been
more interest now in our sport than ever before. So,
for instance, a team like Tennessee Clays team is like
firmly in the playoff and everything broke for them last week.
A team like Indiana, which has the most losses in
college football history, they get a new head coach this year,

(28:27):
he brings in transfers, and now they're ten to one
and firmly in my eyes, inside of the college football line.
So our sport's never been better. A team like Indiana
can get back into the mix of things. Tennessee is
in the mix of things, and from that standpoint, this
week is going to be very fun.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Tonight is last question for you, and i'd encourage you
guys to go follow Joel Clatt at Joel Clatt on Twitter.
You can tell him thanks for coming on the program
here and maybe you give him tips for Big ten
towns because he goes everywhere now to call games, in
particular in the Big Ten. What do you think is
controversial in terms of the playoff committee tonight? Do you

(29:04):
think SMU is in? Do you think Miami? Does the
ACC get to You said you think Indiana Tennessee are
comfortably in. Where's that bubble? Who are the teams inside
and outside that you think people need to pay attention to?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, so there's been a lot of talk about Indiana
because they haven't played necessarily a great schedule, But now
after playing Ohio State last week, they lost that game,
but now their strength of schedule is significantly better than
what it was prior. So if you compare them to like,
let's say, in Miami or an SMU or even a
team like let's say Notre Dame. Their strength of schedule

(29:40):
stacks up more favorably and their loss is much better
than those other teams loss. So Indiana, I think on
the outside, the narrative is that they would be on
the bubble. I don't think that they will be, or
nor should be. They're going to be firmly in. The
teams that I'm looking at from a bubble perspective are
teams like SMU Clemson, who's all a sudden after some

(30:01):
early struggles, back in the mix of things. And then
the biggest question I'm going to have is where do
they put these three loss SEC teams, teams like Alabama
and Ole Miss. How far do they drop them down
after they took bad losses last weekend? Because that'll tell
us everything we need to know about the number of
teams the SEC gets in. And I can tell you

(30:21):
this because Clay, You're one of them. Those Sea fans
have been thinking to themselves the whole time they're going
to get four or five teams in, and right now
it looks like maybe there max is three.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
No doubt. Joel, have fun, Tell your family Happy Thanksgiving.
We appreciate the time, and we'll talk to you again.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah. Always great to chat with you. Proud of you man,
you're doing great.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Same to be said for you again. I encourage you guys.
Go followed at Joel Klatt. Let him know you appreciate
him coming on. Sometimes you guys ask like, and I've
said this before on the program, but what's something you
can do to grow the show? If you're on social
media and you enjoy a guest. We don't pay any buddy.
Nobody's getting paid to come on this program at any point.
They're doing it because they want to come talk with you. Guys,

(31:05):
reach out social media. Agreed, disagree with whatever they say,
but let them know that you appreciate being able to
hear them on the program, regardless of who they may be.
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(31:27):
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(32:38):
and taking interesting calls from first time Trump voters. First
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for Trump. I think it's interesting. Arizona, Louisiana, and Florida.
Three different men in their late thirties and their fifties
nearly sixty who had never voted before, all calling in

(32:58):
to say that they voted Donald Trump. I thought that
was super interesting. Listen to the program. We appreciate all
of you would be intrigued to hear those calls continue
for this hour. At the bottom of the hour, we're
gonna go talk with Charlie Kirk, who has worked really
hard with Turning Point to help flip all seven of
the swing states to Trump, and we will see what

(33:22):
he thinks was the ultimate dispositive factor, in particular why
young men out there moved in such massive magnitude towards Trump.
Encourage you to go listen to first couple hours of
the program. You will enjoy them, I think, including my
good buddy Joel Klatt at the top of the last hour,
particularly if you are a college football fan. Hearing from him.

(33:43):
Lots of fun as always. So I also want to
let you know that Buck will be back on Monday,
and he wanted to tell all of you to have
fantastic Thanksgivings. He is in New York City with his family,
will be speaking at the New York Republican Club tonight.
If you happen to be in wor listenership you may
get to see Buck tonight speaking in New York City,

(34:05):
so tell him Happy Thanksgiving. But in the meantime, he
wanted all of you to know that he wants you
to have fabulous Thanksgivings. Okay, media, one thing that I
think I got right. There are lots of things that
all of us get wrong in our professions. I talked
earlier in the program about how just try to be

(34:26):
pretty good, try to show up every day and get
a little bit better. If you do that, over time,
you will make gains. And whatever you do in whatever
aspect of life you pursue, you have to show up.
You have to put forward the effort. You have to
do it every day, whether it's get in shape. You
don't get in shape by only working out one day,
by only engaging in physical activity. You don't write a

(34:49):
book by sitting down and having one good day every
two weeks. You got to show up and do the
work every single day, and over time, if you're pretty good,
the advantage is are to stack up in your favor
I think sports is the perfect example of this, because
you don't win the game based on your performance on
game day. You win it based on how hard you're

(35:11):
working in advance of game days. I always say game
days should be fun. They shouldn't be stressful. Practice, if
you're doing it right, shouldn't be that much fun. Games themselves,
that's why you go to practice. That's when you win.
So I thought this was interesting. My thesis when I
started OutKick in twenty eleven ended up selling it a

(35:31):
decade later. Was in a social media era, the name
on the back of the jersey mattered more than the
name on the front of the jersey. And I want
you to think about that as I start to discuss
some of these clips, because I think many people out
there in traditional media are just starting to realize that

(35:54):
now radio is a little bit different than television, because
radio has always been, as Rush discovered when he started
this show thirty some odd years ago, a place where
people come to hear individual talent that they like. Buck
and I get to sit at the golden microphone now,
but we had to develop our own audiences before we

(36:16):
ended up here. For a long time, the CNNs of
the world, the msnbcs of the world, the espns of
the world, if they put you on their platform, they
could make you a star. And I'll use ESPN as
a particular example, they used to say, we don't care

(36:39):
if people leave us, because the platform is the star,
not the person on the platform. And I think that
was certainly true at New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC.
A question that I have been asking recently, and I'd
like for you guys to think about, is is there
anybody on MSNBC or c that have such strong audience

(37:03):
connections that if they left those platforms they would be
able to make even one tenth of their salary. I
think the answer is no. The platform is still the
star some places, but these platforms are collapsing. They're icebergs
which are slowly melting, and people are fighting as hard

(37:24):
as they can to stay on a diminishing surface. Okay,
So the guy that I would say is actually developing
an audience for himself on CNN right now is Scott Jennings.
And he went on CNN and he said something interesting
which I think is true. He said, X under Elon

(37:46):
Musk is actually much more of a cosmopolitan place. That is,
it's not just a left wing focused social media company,
as many of them have been. It is actually balanced
between Democrats and Republicans. It is in other words, a

(38:06):
reflection of the larger population as opposed to a left wing,
idiolog focused crazy town. That's the change. This is what
it sounded like on CNN. I want you to be
able to hear it. As he's immediately called out on
CNN for saying that Twitter X is no longer a

(38:28):
supremely left wing biased company. Listen, I heard what you're
saying about X.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I saw a survey this week. It's now the most
ideologically balancedtform. Stop it is too early. I just say, you.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Cannot say that.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
What I find we've reported.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
It on this network. Okay, who's your source? He says,
we reported it on the network? Who questioned him? Oh,
woman named Carrie Champion who used to be on ESPN
but got fired because even ESPN said she's too woke.
Now she's showed back up on CNN and she's not

(39:10):
doing her basic homework, just like she didn't do her
basic homework when she was on ESPN. Of Hey, actually,
everything that he's saying is true. And he said, she said,
what's your source? And he said our network, which is
an amazing answer. We actually aired it on CNN, and
he shared earlier Scott Jennings did the receipts. But this

(39:31):
is Harry Inton on CNN saying exactly what Scott Jennings
said that under Elon Musk, instead of having a profound
left wing lean, Twitter actually reflects roughly the American population. Listen,
look at this the party idea.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Among those who regularly use x slash Twitter for news.
Back in twenty twenty two, sixty five percent of those
who regularly used Twitter slash x for news were Democrats,
just thirty one percent Republicans. Look where we are today,
just a completely different picture.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Now it's basically split between.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Democrats at forty eight percent Republicans at forty seven percent.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
And what I should know, mister Berman.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is this, Now, this new overall makeup matches the overall
electorate far better.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Okay, so matches the overall electorate far better. This ties
in with a recent speech that Jim Van Derhey, who
runs Axios, gave where he ridiculed the idea that Elon
Musk put forward, which is all of you and me
and all of us are the media now and that's

(40:38):
what Twitter represents. Listen to Vanda Hay and think about
why he feels so attacked by that idea.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Everything we do is under fire. Elon Musk is on
Twitter every day or X today saying like we are
the media, you are the media. My message to Elon
Musk is both, you're.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Not the media.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
You having you having a blue check mark, a Twitter
handle in three hundred words of cleverness doesn't make you
a reporter anymore than me looking at your head and
seeing that you have a brain and telling you have
an awesome set of tools makes me a damn neurosurgeon.

(41:20):
You don't proclaim yourself to be a reporter like this nonsense,
like being a reporter is hard, really hard. You have
to care, you have to do the hard work, you
have to skit up every single day and say I
want to get to the closest approximation of the truth
without any fear, without any favoritism. You don't even do

(41:42):
that by popping off on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Okay, I think Elon Musk is right, and I think
most people who do media for a living don't have
any idea how hard real jobs are. I mean, I
mean not honestly. I'm not saying I don't work hard.
I do. I work really really hard to do this
job well. But it's not anywhere near as physically demanding

(42:06):
as many of the jobs that you guys do. That's
the truth. That's why I've never had a sick day
in my entire radio career. There are some days I
don't feel well. There are some days maybe I'll I'll
probably inevitably get sick, super sick on Monday or something.
Now that I'm saying this, I've never had a sick day.
I've done the show with COVID, I've done the show

(42:26):
where I do take breaks and throw up. Why Because
my grandfather worked in a coal mine in Kentucky. I
bet that sucked. I bet it wasn't very fun to
go way underground in the dark and work in a
coal mine. I know it wasn't very fun because the
reason he came to Nashville, Clay Travis, I was named

(42:49):
after him, is from Eulenburg County, Kentucky. There's probably some
of you listening right now, is because he wanted to
find a better job. He ended up working his whole
life basically at DuPont the factory in Old Hickory, Tennessee.
But I think the arrogance of people who get to
make a living sitting and air conditioning. Typing on a

(43:11):
laptop is the same arrogance that many of you felt
during COVID, when people who were in positions of privilege said,
just stay home. It's not that hard. You don't need
to work. Just stay home and order your food and
they'll deliver it to you. Just stay home. All of

(43:32):
the people that have real jobs that actually make our
country work, truck drivers, grocery store stockers, people in gas stations,
people with real jobs, they still had to go out
and do them. All of these rich journalists without very

(43:53):
difficult jobs lectured to all of you about how you
needed to just stay home and part tech yourself because
they don't know the real world. And I got to
tell you, you don't need to go to college to
be a journalist. All you have to do is be
somewhat interested in pursuing the truth. And you know what's interesting,

(44:18):
an awful lot of you were way more accurate than
an awful lot of the so called experts over the
past several years. And I think the threat that Vanda
he is speaking to, and the reason why all those
CNN panelists got so upset, is they don't provide much
of additional value. You know, I always think about things

(44:40):
from an employer employee perspective. My advice to you is
always find out what your boss's boss does, and if
you can figure out a way to make him happy,
then you're probably going to have a job forever. And oh,
by the way, if you really want to have a career,
if your boss's boss doesn't have a job that you
would aspire to have some day, you need to find

(45:01):
something new to do. It's always my advice. People say, oh,
how do you end up doing well before you figure
out a lot of people say, oh, I want to
make this much money or I want to Oh that's
all fine, I'm ambitious. I want you to be ambitious.
But if you're pursuing something that you have no interest
in doing, you're going to lose. So I always say,

(45:23):
if you're in a profession right now, and by the way,
not everybody gets to pursue something that they want to do.
I understand lots of you have to do jobs. I've
been there to pay the mortgage or put your kids
through school, all those things. But if you're a kid
right now and you're listening to me, and you're twenty
years old, and you're thinking about what career you're gonna chase.

(45:44):
Find out what your boss's boss does. If you don't
want to do that, you need to find something new
to do, because if you're not aspiring to be at
different rungs than where you are right now. The reason
I left the practice of law was I saw what
my boss's boss did, and I said, it really doesn't
seem like something I have that much desire to do.

(46:04):
I could have done it if I had been older
and I had kids, I would have kept doing it,
because once you have kids, in my opinion, your loyalty
is no longer to your own individual ambition. It's to
take care of your family. You ever hear that cliche
you want to employ a dad, you want to employ

(46:26):
a mom. They got something at stake that's beyond them.
They're typically going to show up if they're decent parents,
and bust their ass, not for themselves, as many of
you are doing out there, as many of you are
doing now for your grandkids, not for your own achievement,
but to provide the opportunity to the next generation, which

(46:48):
ties in with my opening of the show today, I
think the reason why so many people are moving towards
the Republican Party, Black, White, Asian, Hispanic is because the
Republican Party actually so hope, they actually sell achievement, they
actually believe in the meritocracy. Those are all things that
if you have kids or grandkids, you care about so much.

(47:10):
And I just think it's interesting as the media's power
is collapsing, as the name on the back of the
jersey is mattering more than the name on the front
of the jersey, you're starting to see, like rats on
a sinking ship, so many of these people attacking others
like Elon Musk, who are giving platforms for so many

(47:31):
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(49:02):
Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Join now by
Charlie Kirk. Turning Point USA. The final numbers from Arizona
just came out. Trump is going to win Arizona by
about five and a half points. Charlie's a big reason why.
But before we get into that, Charlie, you and I
ran into each other at mar Lago recently. What's the

(49:24):
first thing you wanted to talk about?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Oh, college football. That's the only thing I want to
talk about. Great to be here, Clay, I mean, I
talked politics all day long. It's refreshing to talk to
somebody that is as informed or even better informed than
me on the most the more important thing that happens
in the fall, not the election, but our tradition of
college football. So great to be here. We had a
great time catching up and talking about how the organ

(49:47):
Ducks should win the national championship this year.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
All right, So I have told Buck for some time,
Buck is out for Thanksgiving already, that I trust college
football fans immediately more than other people, before I even
know any else about them. You've been all over the
country working in battleground states, Big ten, sec A, PAC
twelve used to be obviously Big twelve. All of the

(50:10):
different acc conferences out there were their battlegrounds. Do you
also trust college football fans more than anybody else?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Without a doubt. Now when you say all these conferences,
I don't know what you're talking about. You're talking about
the a SEC powerhouse of cal Berkeley. I mean, it's
very confusing.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So taking a shot at your old PAC twelve arrivals,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
More about conference realignments. It's just the whole thing is
so goofy. But no, Yes, if someone that's a passion
for college football, I have something like inherently and deep
in common with them, more so than almost anything.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
So you speaking of college football, A lot of young
men are college football fans. The campaign that was just run,
if you had to point to one group that moved
most massively from plus fourteen for Biden to plus fourteen
for Trump according to at least one on Wall Street
Journal poll that I saw. Why did young men, in
your mind, people that you have been reaching out to

(51:05):
aggressively move so substantially in this election.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I'd say, I think it's because they want to be
part of a political movement that doesn't hate them. Over
the last couple of years, you started to see the
woke stuff that was really incubated in twenty twenty start
to germinate and metastasize and grow into all of our institutions.
And one of the core orthodoxies of woke is what
we call DEI is really a hatred of Christian white

(51:33):
straight men. And I hate to be that blunt about it,
but it is. It's the orthodox of it, the orthodoxy
of it, and young men. Why am I being part
of this? Exactly? I want to be part of a
political movement that at least acknowledges that there is men
and women and says that it's a good thing to
be a man and that masculinity is not inherently toxic.
And I think top of that though, go ahead, police.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah no, I was just going to say, I think
what's interesting and you may have been going there too,
is it starts with white men are the problem. But
the problem with that is eventually it has to grow
and I think black guys, Hispanic guys', Asian guys looking
around like, hey, I don't think masculinity is toxic. I
think that men and women are different. And suddenly you
can't say that'd be a democrat correct.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
And then it even grows deeper into this kind of
tyranny of political correctness, which at its core is like
toxic femininity, which is that we're going to police all
of your speech. The left has become a bunch of skolds,
of hall monitors of people that do not believe in
free expression or dialogue or discourse. And you know what
we've seen in the last couple of years is now

(52:38):
a backlash of that where if there is anyone in
the quote unquote manisphere, you know, you say, Joe Rogan,
the Fio Vaughn, it's not that they're conservative, but they're
inherently anti left, that they're against the kind of new
left wing dogma and doctrine that believes that there needs
to be speech codes that you know, this trans nonsense.

(53:02):
And so young men in particular kind of led the
rebellion towards a political movement, one rooted in common sense patriotism, liberty,
and freedom.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Were you surprised by how well Trump did in the
battleground states or were the results almost exactly what you expected.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I didn't get into prediction business. You know, I'll tell
you the weekend before I modeled out a way where
we could win and that we could lose. You never
quite know, because polling is such a guest to it.
I will say this though, you know, visiting a lot
of these schools, we did these campus events that were
just massive and had millions and millions of people online
when we did them, one in particular at the University
of Georgia where we had five thousand people show up,

(53:42):
and I turned to my team, I said, guys, this
is not normal, Like, this is not anything I've seen before.
I think we might win, and I think might win
really big and win with young people. Same at Penn
State we had thirty five hundred young people Arizona State University.
I mean, we were all across the country and so
it all makes sense now that the dust is settled.
But i'd be lying to you, claive. I didn't say

(54:03):
that they didn't have any some anxiety and on ease.
We are up against the most powerful thing ever to exist.
I mean, look what they did, the Trump They try
to put them in prison for seven hundred years. They
lied this mirror, they slandered, they censored, and the American
people defeated that. And even to the very end, I
was a little bit paranoid. I'll acknowledge it because we've
kind of been beaten into submission the last couple of
years that can we really win and is there going

(54:25):
to be shenanigans? Is there going to be tom foolery.
And so I'm not surprised by how what we do
with young men, but pleasantly surprised at the let's just say,
the common sense of the American people.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Well, look, the work you did was tremendously important. And
I actually think, and I don't know if you're picking
up on this, but I've got a sixteen or fourteen
and a ten year old. I think the generation that
hasn't even voted yet is going to be more anti
woke than even the people that have started voting already.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Correct, and the left is showing almost no course correction
and almost no remorse. I mean, there's some elements of that,
but the more they lean into this, the more that
they continue to be part of the more radical portions
of their party, just opens up a great opportunity for us.
I am seeing that Clay big time. I think that
gen Z and whatever after them, Jen Alpha, it's going

(55:16):
to be some of the most conservative generations in history.
And who would have thought it.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
We were told that the young people are all Marxists
and there's only going to be you know, let's say,
radical things to come. But President Trump won the youth
vote in Michigan, nearly one at Wisconsin, nearly one it
in Pennsylvania, and that was one of the key ingredients
to his victory.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I know you're busy. I appreciate you coming on. Last
question for you. If somebody's never been to an Oregon
Ducks game, what are they missing?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Well, I'll tell you what I got trolled online because
I wore earplugs at Austin Stadium. Be ready to lose
your hearing. I could not hear for days after even
with the earplugs, and I'll tell you it's like one
hundred and thirty five decibels. I don't want to make
any predictions, but I think Oregon is going to do
very very well against Washington this weekend. Go twelve and zero.

(56:02):
That is going to be a trench fight in Indianapolis
against Ohio State, I don't know. I think Ohio State
might take this one and then we'll see him again
in the playoff. I can make a really good argument, though,
based on the current Kings big configuration. I'm sure you
broke this down play. Being the one seed is actually
not the best thing based on the current way the
bracket is forming, where you actually might get a better
placement to be a four or five seed, host a

(56:23):
home game at home, a five seed, you know, host
at Austin, get some momentum heading into the bowl series
in late December.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
You just hit on it. I think having the five
seed in the College Football Playoff is the best spot.
By the way, potentially Boise State getting the four two
so you get a home game then you would. Yeah,
Oregon already beat him. Good luck to the Ducks, not
too much luck if they play My University of Tennessee volunteers, Charlie,
really appreciate the work. Keep up all the outstanding stuff.

(56:50):
You guys are doing. A turning point.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Great to see it. Thanks Clay touch to Sham.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, he is, by the way, I think incredibly important
in terms of what I am seeing as a cultural realignment.
I think this show has been very helpful for that
because I think Buck and I can speak to a
younger generation. We're not super old relative to media. I

(57:15):
think OutKick has, I think Joe Rogan has. I think
he mentioned THEO Vaughn. I think there are a lot
of different outlets that speak to a predominantly male audience
that are seeing the profound disconnect that exists for these
young guys. And I mentioned this, but I do think
it's important you know. Target stock dropped twenty one percent

(57:37):
the other day. I don't know how many of you
saw that after Target missed its earnings. I think a
lot of moms and dads when they had the tuck
bathing suits and they were like, hey, we want your
young kids pretending to be different genders. And you're saying,
I just want to go to Target and get a
good value on the products that I need from my home.
I think a lot of you turned away from Target,

(57:59):
and I don't know how many of you saw that
Walmart officially announced they're done with DEI I don't shop much.
This is not going to shock you. For those of
you who see the clothes that I wear. Basically I
go to Costco. Otherwise I buy almost nothing. I don't
think I talked about this. I went with my wife
because we had to buy chairs to go sit and
watch our sons on the sideline of games, and we

(58:22):
needed new chairs, and so I went with her to Walmart. Recently,
I walked in that place and I felt like I
was like an immigrant who didn't realize how amazing America was.
You know a lot of times people who moved from
foreign countries. I remember one of my buddies said that
his dad had come from India, and I got two

(58:44):
good stories about this. Dad came from India where almost
no one had a television, and he walked into an
electronics store in America and the like. The fact that
you could just walk in and have a normal job
and buy a television blew his mind. Really, there is
a value. I've argued this for years. If we made
every high school graduate in America, certainly every college graduate,

(59:08):
but if we made every high school graduate in America
have to go overseas and live in a poor country
for a year, you would kiss the ground when you
got off the airplane to come back here. Because so
many of the people who denigrate America have no idea
what the rest of the world is like, and how
incredibly thankful we all should be in this week, of

(59:29):
all weeks, that we get to live in America. But
that bank of televisions that was for an immigrant population
could not believe just how sheer amount of wealth that
existed here. The other one was I've got a friend
recently and he was talking about his dad coming here

(59:51):
and his dad being upset that people were taking ubers everywhere,
and he told me his dad went off on him recently.
He's like, you know, couldn't afford cars, and now you
kids are so spoiled that you're like, Oh, I don't
want to have to drive my car and it's gonna
be hard to find a parking place for my car.
And I want to be able to go out to

(01:00:13):
the bar or go out to dinner and just get
dropped off right in front, and I'm gonna pay somebody
to do that. He's like, Americans are so spoiled that
we won't even drive our cars anymore because it's too
difficult to have to park them when we can get
dropped off directly in front of the place that we're
going to go. And I just thought both of those

(01:00:33):
stories were really interesting, and it tied in with somebody's
got to see the world through somebody else's perspective and
try to do your best to think about the larger
landscape of America. There's three hundred and thirty million people here.
What have we got seven eight billion people in the world.
Everybody's got different perspectives. I told this story my ten
year old walked into Target. This is like four years ago,

(01:00:56):
so he's fourteen now. But he wanted to get I
think we were getting football cards. Loves to get football cards.
Walked in the whole front of Target where we live
in Franklin, Tennessee. It's not exactly you know, left wing
America Williamson County, Tennessee. Where I live, very dark red area.

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Whole front of Target in Franklin, Tennessee is all girl
Power shirts. And he walked in to me. I don't
even notice that stuff because I'm so used to it.
But he walked in and he said, Dad, they would
never sell boy power shirts. And I thought to myself,
you know, it's really interesting now if you're young. We

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were just talking to Charlie Kirk about this, if you're
a young man, or if you are raising young men
like I am, they basically have been taught for their
whole lives that they're the reason why everything in America
is not perfect. And it's not just white men, not
just white boys. It's now expanded Asian, Hispanic, black, white

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young kids out there. Boys are being told, hey, you're
toxic because you're masculine, and they're rebelling against it because
they don't believe it and they know they're being lied to.
And you know who also is rebelling against it. A
lot of you moms out there who are raising boys
like you don't want weak men, You don't want to

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raise poor husbands like. It's an insult to you too,
which is why the most successful ad that was run
during the presidential campaign was that they them. If you
watch football, you saw this ad all the time. Kamala
is for them, Trump is for us, Trump is for you,
Trump is for you was the line. You know who

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wrote that ad. I know him because he's one of
my buddies from school. A Ukrainian immigrant wrote that ad
for Trump. He came from Ukraine, saw that and said,
that speaks to the audience out there. Do you know
who that audience spoke to? That ad spoke to the best.

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Fascinating Hispanic men, black men, white moms in the suburbs
all tested off the charts on that ad. Think about that.
Black men, Hispanic men, white moms in the suburbs. They
were all like, uh uh, this is bs. It's a

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real thing. This tide is only going to grow. I
really do believe, and I want to tell you one
reason the Tide's growings because we got some educational institutions
that are actually doing a good job speaking to the
American public on a day to day basis, like Hillsdale College.
Back in April, I went out to Hillsdale College and
I was their keynote speaker at an event they did

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in Seattle. I sat next to their president, doctor Larry
arn I love the guy. In fact, I thought after
I said next to him, you know what, I want
my kids to apply to this school because I love
the education that they are being provided through Hillsdale. And
some of you may have seen an Imprimis, their free
newsletter that sent to millions of people. They just took

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the address that I gave and turned it into their
lead story. I heard from so many of you out
there that you had read my speech and Imprimis that
they just transcribed and put on the front page of
their newsletter that went out to millions of people. I
want you to get hooked up with Hillsdale right now
and make sure that you are aware of the incredible

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