December 2, 2024 • 59 mins
Joe pardons Hunter just like C&B predicted. MSNBC ratings are tanking. Trump is going to start cracking down on Hamas. Miranda Divine on the Hunter pardon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Monday edition of The Clay and Buck Show kicks off
right now. I hope you all had a fantastic Thanksgiving.
I enjoyed mine very much. Clay, you enjoy your Thanksgiving.
I feel like I haven't talked to you in many days. Yeah,
we had an awesome time down in Florida. A lot
of beach football, lots of good times had by all.
(00:21):
So I hope everybody out there has gotten safely back
or will be getting safely back to their homes and
had great time with friends and families.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Really good get away. I'm sure there was a lot
of celebration among our crew still with the election outcome,
probably a lot of enjoyment. Maybe we can have some
fun stories about left wing Kamala voters and how they
handled Thanksgiving. But I thought it went pretty well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
A lot to be thankful for this holiday season, particularly.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
If your name is Hunter Biden a goal. We jump
right in. We got a lot of things we're gonna
talk to you about today.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We have Miranda Devine joining in the third hour, so
if you can stick around for that, She's Laptop from
Hell author filed the Hunter case more closely than really anybody,
and I think you'll want to hear what she has
to say about this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And Clay, the big.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
News that just broke last twenty four hours that Hunter
Biden has been pardoned.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We're going to dive into this.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was in New York City a lot of stories
about the crime and migrants specifically and migrant crime, which
I want to talk with all of you about.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And you see.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Migrants in the streets begging for money, and this is
really affected New York. As I was up there visiting
my family for the holiday, Cash Patel announced officially as
Trump as his next pick for FBI director. Cash is
a friend of ours, a friend of the show. It's
who we had said we wanted. So when you get
what you want, you've just got to be happy, I think,
(01:46):
and thankful. So let's just see if he can get confirmed.
That's a whole other part of this. Oh and then
a bunch of terrorists, gee hottists in Syria overran Aleppo
and people are a little bit concerned about what's going
on there. We'll see if we have time to dive
into some of that. Today I got to start Clay
with because there was a lot going into today and
(02:07):
then yesterday with the Hunter Biden pardon. We knew this
was going to happen, we actually said many times on
the show, and I'm sure so many of you agreed
with us. But what was fascinating here as we see
this whole situation unfold, was that they pretended that they
(02:31):
didn't know in the media because they wanted Joe Biden
win the election. They acted like they were so dumb.
We even have here here's well, do you want to
play our prediction? First, let's do the prediction. This is
one of This is going back in time, old school.
I believe this is May nineteenth of twenty twenty two,
(02:51):
US saying that Hunter would get the pardon from Joe
Biden as one of his final official acts. This one,
I gotta say, nailed. Let's listen to it.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He's going to pay a fine and he's going to
plead to some misdemeanor. There will be no jail time, right,
that's the like you think, like he's not actually gonna
go to trial and face.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I think he's gonna get charged, as you keep saying.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
But like, but what I'm saying is he might Oh
you're saying he might get charged criminally.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I think he get charged criminally.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I think it's gonna look, the reality is, I
think they'll try and and and drag it out because
I really think there's a strong chance that one of
his final acts in office, because I just I keep
watching Joe Biden buck and I just find it impossible
to believe that he's truly going to be able to
run for re election, And so I think one of
(03:42):
his final acts may be pardoning his son.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was two years ago. But I mean, so that's
a great call in advance. But I'm talking about Clay
the media after he was charged, and it was a
real thing, right, So you were getting that was an
ad d ants that was way in advance of the
whole story. The past six months, we've been hearing NonStop
or something like that, six months that Joe Biden's not
(04:10):
gonna pardon his son, even though he's already been found guilty.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, you're you're.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Talking about so to just to be clear, Clay here
is projecting out two years and was correct two years
in advance. But the story from the from the media
side of things is that Hunter is found guilty of
multiple felonies, is facing time in prison, and we have
can we just get some of these, you know, the
(04:35):
the montage we have of all the people in the media.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Let me say this too, Buck, I do think this
is evidence of how duplicitous and lying they are. I
don't think that you and I are uniquely geniuses and
analyzing the political landscape.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It was self evident.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
The only way Biden wasn't going to pardon Hunter is
if there was some sort of Amala had won. I
think Kamala would have pardoned Hunter and that would have
let Biden off the hook for doing it. Or if
Trump in a handshake agreement they trusted each other and
Trump was going to do it. But the idea that
Joe was ever going to let Hunter go to prison
(05:17):
was on its face absurd to anyone with a functional
brain who is honest with their audience and tem If
we could, could we grab one of the times or
we said the last six months that one hundred percent
he's going to pardon Clay, and I totally agreed on
that one hundred percent he's going to pardon his son.
There's no it was laughable, And we said it was
laughable on the show that there was any way.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That his son was going to go to federal prison
while he's the president. Just it just was absurd. There
was no way. Meanwhile, in media land, this is cut too.
Here's what in advance of the election, mind you, they
were all saying about this play it.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Presidential promise to put the law before a family, letting
the world know that he will not wipe away the
decision of twelve of his son's peers. The President has
ruled out pardoning his son.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Major commitment from the President, accepting the outcome of the
trial and also pledging not to pardon his son.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
One side, Democrats and Joe Biden protecting the justice system,
and on the other Republicans and Trump protecting Trump. Our
current president of the United States has so much respect
for the law that he has said he would not
pardon his son. I mean again, it's all about the contrast.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
He is not pardoning his son, which he could do.
Everyone understands he's a decent man.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Joe Biden has gotten asked about, you know, talking about
line order.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
He's gotten asked if he would pardon his son.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
He has said no.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You heard the President say he would accept the outcome
of the case.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I know no other word for that, but presidential.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The contrast to how Trump has behaved, how Trump has
treated the rule of law.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
This was a good day for the system. I just
look at this book. Can I ask you, yes, I think,
do you think they're really there's dumb?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Or were they all just staring into the camera saying
I think the audience is this dumb.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I think there are many people out there who see
their job on television not to tell you what they think,
but to tell you what their party wants them to
tell you to think. And this is really important, and
I would tell all of you, and you sense it,
(07:28):
because these audiences are collapsing. You sense it. But there's
a difference between you may or may not agree with
everything that Buck or I say on this show on
a daily basis. In fact, it would be impossible for
you to agree with every opinion. But we're not reading
talking points. And I think democrats uniquely left wing political commentators.
(07:53):
They go out and they say as if they are
an advocate or lawyer for their selfe as opposed to
actually looking at the facts and being somewhat rational or
reasonable and so Buck, I think they don't even.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Really worry about whether they believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think they worry about whether the people in power
watching them on television think that they're doing a good
job advancing the cause. And basically they're propagandist. And I
don't have a problem with this From a legal perspective.
Your lawyer should go out and make the best possible
case that he can for everything that you do. Like Karine,
(08:35):
Jean Pierre is a liar, but she's a liar because
she's being forced to try to cover for one of
the most daft and flagrantly dishonest men to ever be
in the White House.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I'm talking about Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Because Buck, they knew, according to NBC, of course they
did in June, that he was going to pardon Hunter
as soon as Hunter was convicted. Buck, it was self
evident that he was going to pardon. He was not
going to let Hunter go to prison. So if you
went out and argued, oh, this is a sign of
how much he believes in rule of law and justice,
(09:13):
you were either to your point. And I do think
it's a good question. A complete and total moron, which
I don't believe these people are, or such a die
hard member of the cult, which is what I think
they are, that they will not brook any dissent, and
so you have to say whatever the deer leader says
is the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I also think that there's some really good things that
come out of this. Okay, let's let's just get to
the happy part of this equation for a moment, or
the positive part of the equation. I saw you tweeted this, Clay.
I you know, I didn't want to tweet the same
thing because but I totally agree like.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Clay says it, Buck says, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I think just conditional, I mean unconditional pardons for every
single one. Just this is this is you know, this
is purpose because they've already served If they've been prosecuted,
they've already served time, so they've already spent time in prison,
they've already had there, they've already been punished extensively, including
the ones who have you know, punched a cop or whatever.
They've already been punished. So pardons they get out. That's it, unconditional,
(10:14):
full scale everybody get out. And by the way, a
lot have been punished far more already than they should
have been. But that's why I so I think pardons
for J six. There's just no reason I can see
there's no feasible reason not to have that. And then
also it just is a reminder. It kind of goes
with the Cash Patel appointment, which is the people who
(10:37):
are simultaneously proclaiming how they are the great defenders of
the DOJ and of our justice system have been flouting
the justice system themselves and are using it as a
weapon against their political opponents. And this is just not
something that can be sustained. This is not something that
(10:58):
can continue if we're going to live in a free society.
I think it gives Cash Patel, assuming he can get
into FBI appointed, you know, or confirmed a mandate.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh, I think we need to dive into more of
these details too, buck on not only how much of
liars they were that this happened, but I will say
my jaw dropped a little bit when I saw how
expansive the pardon was.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
It's ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Of basically anything Hunter Biden did, going all the way
back to twenty fourteen. Because they're trying to say, oh, well,
Biden's son is being targeted for political prosecution and this
is unfair and all of those they wait a minute.
Twenty fourteen, Joe Biden was Vice president. Joe Biden was
(11:47):
not running for president. We thought that his political career
was over in twenty sixteen when Hillary got the nod
from from Barack Obama a full decade of free and
clear get out of jail free card. I'm not sure
we've ever seen a level of pardon that is this
expansive buck ten years. Everything he did, there are no
(12:11):
charges allowed to be brought, and he committed a lot
of crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's an admission that his son is a criminal, meaning
that it's not one thing that he did. He has
lived his life for the last decade as a criminal,
because he doesn't even know if he could cover all
the different crimes that his son committed, never mind what
may or may not be covered in the statutal limitations,
et cetera. So yeah, it's this just shows you, no, Clay,
(12:37):
what a fraud the media was by lying about the
pardon that you and I and every we all knew.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
We all knew, right, No, this is not I noticed.
We're not even years.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Could have gotten four to one while we say we
all knew polymarket you could have gotten four to one
payout on will Joe Joe Biden pardon his son so
a lot of people were not betting this would happen.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I know, I know, I know, we should have put
every down him. Sad.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now I'm really bummed out because to me, this was
the most obvious thing in the entire world. But I
would just say, not only do they lie about it
so much, but it's just a really reminder to everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Joe Biden's a scumbag. Okay, he will lie to you
about anything.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He lies and lies and lies some more about things
that he also pretends to be honorable about, right, I mean,
that's the thing he's defending, the rule of law. Joe
Biden has always been this way. He has never been
a good man. He has never been an honorable man.
And so all these people lecturing us about Trump and
trump Ism and all the rest of it, look at
who they put forward. Yeah, I just think it's an
(13:37):
important reminder of how just dirty and disgraceful the whole
Biden family is. By the way, there may be other pardons.
He may sneak through a few more for whatever his
brother's name is. Yeah, just preventative, just preventative pardons.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Who knows, No, I agree, And that's what we need
to talk about too, because really this isn't about protecting Hunter.
If you look at the ten year window here about
protecting Joe. Everybody's like, oh, he's selfless, he's a dad,
he's protecting his son. No, no, no, no, he's protecting himself too.
He's trying to insulate himself from all political charges and
all felony charges, which honestly he should face. Look, if
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I just saw this and I think it's tied in.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There is a reordering that is going on right now
in the media that is massively important, and I think
it's got long range consequence. MSNBC Buck just hit a
twenty year ratings low. They had just thirty eight thousand
(16:12):
viewers in the twenty five to fifty four targeted age
group range that tends to consume media and be very
valuable for advertisers. That's unheard of, and what's going on.
I got a thesis for you. You'll like it, Buck, because
it takes you back in time to the nineteen eighties.
(16:35):
The best in my humble opinion, when I was a kid,
I'm now ready to recognize that I was wrong. I
thought the best Indiana Jones movie, Buck, was Temple of
Doom in the nineteen eighties. In retrospect, it's the worst
of the nineteen eighties era movies. The Last Crusade I
(16:55):
think is the best. Then Raiders of the Lost Arc,
then Temple of Doom. They're all very good. We're not
talking about the two additional ones. But there is a
moment in that movie, Temple of Doom, where Indiana Jones
has drank the blood serum and has lost his ability
(17:16):
to think rationally, and he is a member of the
cult that is supporting this Indian priest. Spoiler alert, by
the way, if you hadn't said, if you haven't seen
Temple of Doom, and short Round runs up to him
and burns him, and when he has burned, he suddenly
(17:37):
sees the truth. An optimist in me, Buck thinks that
Trump's election for a lot of the woke American population
has had that Short Round branding Indiana Jones and waking
him up from the cult that they were a part
(17:58):
of moment, and there's evidence for this. And I've been
asking this question. If you had been lied to about
everything surrounding COVID, if you'd been lied to about very
fine people and Donald Trump being a Nazi and all
these things, at some point, wouldn't you have to wake up?
Wouldn't you have to recognize that much of what you
(18:21):
had come to believe was actually false. I think there
is finally a reckoning taking place at MSNBC at CNN,
with many different left wing commoners out there, And this
latest Biden pardon of Hunter is yet another thing. You
(18:41):
may not agree with this show on a day to
day basis, but over the last four years, we've gotten
almost everything that is very consequential.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
We've told you where things were headed, we've told you
what the outcomes were likely to be. And when we're wrong,
and I was wrong about twenty two twenty two, we
come on and say, hey, we got something wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Have you ever heard anybody explained why we think it
got it was?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And they're not standing now because we nailed this election boom.
But some people being a little bit of doubting, you know,
being a little bit of doubters would say, well, what
about the red wave in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
There was a surge of Republican voters. It just surged
in the wrong places at the wrong time to get
the electoral outcome we wanted. New York California Republicans were
able to deliver the House because there were a lot
more read votes there.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And you know, look, we had a couple of week candidates.
Things didn't go your way, but that wasn't off by
a lot. The media that we're talking about, I mean
Clay they said, not only the hunter, Biden wasn't going
to get pardon. They told everybody that Joe Biden was fine.
I think in the back of people's minds, the cover
(19:54):
up of the Biden dementia situation, which MSNBC were huge,
you know, the vanguard, they were the cheerleaders for cheerleaders
for this. To anyone who is discerning and paying attention
to the narrative creation machinery that is the news media,
you had to look at everything that they were going
to say about the twenty twenty four election. Anybody who
(20:15):
said that Biden's fine, well, clearly he wasn't and clearly
they should have known that, and clearly they did know that.
So everything else they say about Kamala, you gotta think.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
These people are liars.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And how about the fact that they pivoted from Kamala
is the worst VP and they potentially should consider replacing
her to joy Read on election night claimed that she
ran a flawless campaign.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And then my favorite of an election night analysis, by
the way, that was the best thing set all in
all election night.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Can we pull that, by the way, because I think
she said, do you remember what she followed it up with,
she ran such a flawless campaign.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know who endorsed Joe Biden?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean, sorry, Kamala Harris, Queen Latifa, that was I mean,
I'm not even making this up.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
This was her argument.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Joy Read at the collapsing MSNBC network said that Kamala
ran such a phenomenal campaign that even Queen Latifa, who
never endorses anybody, endorsed Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The one thing that I feel very confident of buck
is celebrity endorsements is basically over.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, like as I.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Think social media has okay, social media first undermined the
people at the New York Times, who at ten am
would put out on Twitter Trump is Hitler and then
go on CNN at seven pm and say, well, I'm
just a journalist. I don't have opinions. That was the
beginning of the end for them because we saw it
was a matter of public record in a sense, what
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they really thought. And with celebrities, you know, we figured
out they are really really dumb. Not all of them, right,
there are smart celebrities, and they are smart celebrities who
don't agree with us. I'm not saying that everybody who
votes Democrat who's a celebrity is dumb, but a lot
of the pop culture political voices out there, you know,
(22:04):
and you know now they're saying that Clooney felt like
he was bullied into bullying Biden out of the race.
These people have just no shame, They have no brain,
and they're trying all this stuff. But because we see
them on social media and they can expose what they
really think. Did you see the Jane Fonda thing with
Bill Maher. I mean, I know she's she's an older woman.
(22:26):
Did you see these some of these clips play She
doesn't think that California has enough regulation. She's living on
another planet. She lives in a reality that does not exist.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I have done enough TV and even some movies, Thank
you Daily Wire. The idea that actors and actresses are
uniquely smart and perceptive on anything is maybe the dumbest
thing that has ever taken root in American modern history.
The data reflects that the more obsessed you are with celebrities,
(22:58):
the dumber you yourself tend to be. And I'm not
saying I don't like watching television shows or whatever else,
but they're actors and actresses like they actually don't have
a great depth of knowledge in anything else. They sit
around in a trailer all day, memorize a few lines,
go out and do it like twenty five different times.
(23:20):
I would be bored to death being an actor. I've
done movies, I've done television. I've filmed a lot of
stuff over the years. We are live right now, you
and I talking.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Thank the Lord.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Everything we say, for better or worse, goes out to everybody.
If we had to do the same take over and
over and over again, I would shoot myself in the
head like these are awful in many ways jobs for
many people out there. The idea that we ever allowed
these people to be considered voices of unique perception in
(23:52):
America has been exploded. I also think Buck, there's a
whole there's so much celebrity now that it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Used to be there was mystery. It's diffuse, it's a
it's a it's look in the in the modern era.
If you're a one, If you're a young woman who
is just outrageously good looking, like you won the genetics lottery,
and you want to be famous, there's one hundred percent
chance you're gonna be famous.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And if you're a young guy and you know, you
really want to find a way and you're willing to
kind of work on your craft or whatever. I'm talking
about these YouTubers and you know, Instagram and TikTok, which
by the way, isn't being banned. And now Trump is
on and conservatives are on. It was just me and
Jamal Bowman for a while, their play Me and my
buddy Jamal Bowman. You standing off that TikTok.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I was partly on the Jamal Bowman Buck Buck Sexton train.
I wanted and I still think it's important that Chinese
interests not be able to own TikTok.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
But I think that company should exist.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You can't just like smash a company because it has
some foreign ownership and you're just deciding you don't like it.
I mean, that's a really bad pres And so anyway,
it's also really fun. I've learned how to seer and
reverse seer and suvid steaks like nobody's business thanks to TikTok.
A lot of good gun content by the way, on
well YouTube.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Particularly with TikTok as well.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So until they probably get rid of it all soon, Clay,
I would just say the ability to be famous for
nothing that requires discipline and honestly a lot of luck.
Is it's easier to get famous now that it's ever been.
So being really famous doesn't really mean all that much.
(25:32):
It's it's less powerful than it used to be to
a lot of people. You know, there was a time
when if you were a top Hollywood actor, every pronouncement
you would make on everything was somehow in the news.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Oh you know. And this is also I think this.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Is to the to the discredit or to the the weakening.
Not to get into this conversation, and we are going
to talk about New York City migrants coming up in
the next hour and what I saw there and what's
going on. Also the Daniel pennycase, the updates on that,
so more news coming. Wait a second, but Clay a
British royal family. They were kind of the original reality
TV show Superstars in a sense, or reality Superstars, And
(26:09):
I just think now there's just so much other noise
out there that it doesn't sell newspapers quite the way
it used to.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, and I also this is the other thing that
I think is huge in terms of the way the
media is shattering and being rebuilt in real time.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It used to be someone who.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Had a platform had to say I'm going to make
you famous. You got selected to be on Friends, you
became a columnist at the New York Times. Somebody put
you on MSNBC or ESPN or Fox News or whatever
it was and basically said you're going to be famous.
(26:48):
Not to say those people are not talented, but that
was somebody on high producers owners. They decided who the
figures were that we all saw and that we're famous.
To your point, now, anybody can become famous instantaneously on TikTok,
(27:09):
on YouTube, on Instagram. I'm not saying it doesn't take work,
but the top down model of I'm going to make
you famous does not really exist in the same way.
It's a bottom up policy. And again, the name on
the back of the jersey, the way that I would
sum that up, matters more now than the name on
the front. It used to be like, I'm with the
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Washington Post, and therefore you should talk to me. And
now a lot of people are like, so, what, like
the top down mantra in media is collapsing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know, I've been in this game, especially on the
conservative media side of things. Play well, I've been a
consumer of it for oh my gosh, I don't know now,
like almost thirty years, and working in it for almost
fifteen years. And this is kind of the dream of
conservative media commentary, stretching back to the know, the early
(28:00):
days of Rush and then and then the rise of
the Internet and Fox News, and would be that the
Washington Post no longer held any sway over the public
mind outside of their own very partisan readership. And I
think we're we're pretty much there or getting close to there,
meaning no one I know. A perfect example of this
(28:22):
is when The New York Times ran a front page
article on Tucker Carlson saying he's a white nationalist, and
everybody who wasn't emotionally destabilized by Trump laughed and was like, yeah, sure, Tucker, right,
nice try. And by the way, to Tucker's credit, he
posed posed with the article, laughing at it, and it
got far more distribution than the actual article itself.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah.
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So some of these psychological chains bonds that the corporate media,
that the establishment corporate media has had, they are they
are actually broken right now, and some are still breaking.
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Some are broken.
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Speaker 1 (30:37):
We've got a lot of news to get to if
you Hunter. Biden pardoned yesterday full pardon, stretching back for
a decade. We told you it was gonna happen. It
was obvious, it happened. The media lied. They have no credibility.
They are scrambling. The Democrats have no leader. They are scrambling.
And it's a good time to be alive, good time
to be an American, my friends. The other thing that
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just broke now play sharing this out on Twitter from
Donald J. Trump's truth account, which now also has a
mirror account on x and increasingly I think Elon is right.
This is going to be where the news would you
and I do Clay is commentary, context, entertainment, engagement, but
just the raw sharing of data. That's what CNN is
(31:25):
supposed to be, but clearly isn't right. That's what these
news organizations like the Washington Post are supposed to be,
but clearly aren't. Trump put this out and here's it
has to do with the hostages being held by Hamas
he writes, everybody's talking about the hostages who are being
held so violently, inhumanely and against the will of the
(31:46):
entire world in the Middle East. But it's all talk
and no action. Please let this truth serve to represent
that if the hostages are not released prior to January twentieth,
twenty twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office
as President of the United States, there will be all
hell to pay in the Middle East, and for those
in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity, Those responsible
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will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in
the long and storied history of the United States of America.
All caps, release the hostages now, Clay, I understand what
the people who are opponents of Trump are going to say.
They're say, oh, it's bluster hole. On a second, right,
you and I know there's a there's a history here.
(32:32):
What did Donald Trump do when he came into office
when it when it came to dealing with Isis, he said,
increase the strikes, let the commanders on the ground make
the call, take the fight to the enemy, destroy them,
and it happened. What did he do with the Boogeyman,
I mean, the the single really highest value target of
(32:53):
the entire Iraq war on the Shia side of the equation,
which is cost some solemany Donald Trump manner chief, had
him vaporized in Iraq because we got sick of him
killing Americans for sport. This is a guy who anybody,
I think has to take seriously when it comes to
making threats of this nature. I think the Biden administration
(33:16):
has gotten a lot of a pass from the media
on the fact that there are Americans, There are American
citizens held by Hamas, and Israel's done a great job
of retribution and justice when it comes to tagging and
bagging members of Hamas and Hezbola. But Trump is saying,
(33:36):
you guys better figure out what's going on here real quick,
or else the Trumpster's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
For those of you who.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Are old enough to remember it, Jimmy Carter's failure to
get American hostages back from Iran was a huge reason
why Donald why Ron Reagan came in and won in
nineteen eighty. The fact that Joe Biden has been to
Israel at least one and I think multiple times and
has never said while he was there, if the American
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hostages aren't returned before I leave, I will rain down
holy hell on you is an ultimate indictment of Biden
and his administration, but also of the media for their
failure to cover American hostages in Gaza like they did
the American hostages in Iran. And this is important and
(34:26):
it isn't talked about enough, but bad guys only respond
to threats of force. You don't reason your way to
calibration with Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong un or Chairman
z or the Ayatola Iran, China, North Korea and Russia
(34:48):
are not going to be talked off the ledge from
doing something. It's why on this program we have pointed
out and I've never heard a good example for it.
Why did October seventh not happen when Trump in office?
Why did Ukraine not get invaded by Russia when Trump
was in office? If Trump was so weak and if
Putin was playing him for such a fool, why didn't
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he invade then because he was afraid of what Trump
might do? Why didn't Hamas attack on October seventh when
Trump was in office because they were afraid of what
Trump might do? These huge authoritarian dictators, they're bullies. Trump
has seen these kind of people his entire life. Buck,
you grew up in New York City. You know there's
a lot of mafia dudes involved in every construction project,
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and they only respond when you actually are willing to
stand up to them, and they fear what you might.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Do to them.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Just like when you're in the school yard, the bully
doesn't suddenly get talked off being a bully. Sooner or
later somebody has to smack him in the face and
the behavior changes.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I also think that it'd be very hard for the
opponents of Trump in this country to make the case
that this is all bluster, considering that they have turned
almost it's almost a religious belief or a mantra for
them that Trump is going to go after them, right, yes,
And they were the ones who were saying, oh, my gosh,
Donald Trump says Seal Team six can assassinate his rivals,
(36:16):
and you know, and saying that he might do really
crazy stuff. Well, if they're going to argue that he's
going to do crazy stuff inside of America, which let
me just reiterate, is crazy and he's not going to
do it. But it's hard for them to say, oh,
but he's going to draw the line when it comes
to Hamas terrorists because you and I and a lot
of other people in the ribots sit here and say
Anamas down, anybody involved, do whatever you gotta do. Get
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our hostages back. They've had plenty of time to try
to negotiate. They'll want to negotiate. Now it's got to
be warheads on foreheads.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I would also point this out again, the schoolyard bully
is a good analogy. Everybody has experienced this in their life.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And Trump is great.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I think the thing that he does better than maybe
any president in any of our lives is when he
feels like he has an inch of negotiating leverage, he
exploits it, exploits it, exploits it. I don't think he's
gonna put a twenty five percent tariff on Canadian goods
or Mexican goods, for instance.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
We haven't talked about this a great deal, but he might.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
There might be a five percent chance that he's gonna
do it one in twenty And if he did it,
it would cripple Canada and it would cripple Mexico, and
the United States would go right along because we're the
dominant force in this region.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
For a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It feels to me, and I know many of you
out there know exactly what I'm talking about, like we
have behaved like like we are. We've done something wrong
and We're begging for forgiveness all over the world.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
The obsequious nature of our apologies for everything has been
to me pathetic. And it has been exploited, exploited in Afghanistan,
it was exploited in Ukraine, it was exploited in Israel,
and it's certainly been exploited in our southern border, and
it's been exploited in our cities because so many people
have understood that the rule of law is not going
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to be applied, and that violent misbehavior can run rampant
in our streets, and sooner or later, the bad guy,
and Trump's willing to be the bad guy, has to
show up and start smacking people around and show that
there are consequences.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And that, to me is so much of his talk is.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
He's got to start cracking some skulls. Yes, and you
know this is I don't know how all of you
have seen the Breakfast Club, I assume, so you know
what I'm talking about. I think, Clay that Trump coming
into office at this time is particularly fortuitous because Israel
is in a stronger position vis a vis its enemies
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in the region that it has been in a very
long time. You'll notice you don't hear a lot of
you don't hear really any at least getting into our
news cycle vociferous protests from the Saudis or the Egyptians
really or these other states in the region. You know,
they might, for domestic political purposes, say some stuff, but
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a lot of them are pretty happy to see Hamas
whittled down from what it had become. At least the
regimes are. Whether the Arab street degrees is another thing.
And I think that Trump is in a position now
to help Israel establish a much more lasting piece, which
requires the destruction of enemies were implacable, and that's really
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where this is. I mean, there's no what Hamas showed
on October seventh, other than grotesque in humanity and war rhymes,
was that it can never be a partner for peace.
It can never be treated as an honorable entity that
will abide by contracts abide by its word. It is
an enemy combatant, the entire entity, and has to be
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treated as such. And Trump's going to back them on
this one hundred percent. Trump's not going to do this
speaking out of one side of his mouth, speaking out
of the other, which Joe Biden and Kamala both tried
to do over the last year without success.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Really, I might add, and let me just also point
this out.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Some of you may say, well, I don't know why
we should be that concerned about what's going on in
the Middle East, and all I care about is America.
If you allow these people ruling these countries to think
that they can take action against Americans, they'll do it.
And I think Russia has done it. They've been taking
American prisoners. Remember we gave we got Britney Griner back
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WNBA player, and they got the Merchant of Death. Guess
what the Merchant of Death is already doing buck procuring
arms for Russia to reign down war upon other parts
of the world's merchandising death.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
The merchant to death crazy maybe could have predicted it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I don't know what's the Merchant of Death going to
do when he gets out of prison, Probably gonna merchandise
more death. What's Britney Griner going to do? She's going
to be a mediocre women's basketball player who got out
of jail because she's black and a lesbian, and that
is all that matters in identity politics of Leyden Democrat universe.
There's still a lot of other people held hostage. Look,
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but you incentivize the grabbing of hostages when you aren't
able to get your people home. Remember back in the day,
Rome had a rule if you and I'm paraphrasing, but
if you harm the hair of a Roman citizen, they
would track you down, no matter where it was in
their empire, and they would rain down holy hell upon you.
That used to be America's policy too. And now we've
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just been to the knee and say, oh, we're sorry
because we had slavery in eighteen sixty and that means
that suddenly we don't have the moral authority to take
action today.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Those days are over. Absolutely, we'll take some calls. And
also remember we've got Miranda Divine joining us. Talk about
the big news right now, which is again Hunter Biden pardoned.
And I think these things are sort of different sides
of the coin, or different sides of the issue. Cash
(42:04):
Battel appointed to go to FBI, which is fantastic. Cash
is We said it here. We endorsed him, we wanted him,
He's the guy we know Cash. We'd have him on
the show. But I think everyone's kind of laying low
on the media, at least some of them are until
this stuff gets done. But yes, Cash Battel to be
at the FBI under Trump as director. There's the Christopher
(42:27):
Ray issue. There is he gonna make Trump fire him?
How's that gonna go? And then there's also Hunter Biden
getting pardoned. So we'll get into all this, and I'll
tell you know, I was lucky this morning that that
Clay was ready and in position because I had to
rush back from being at the doctor to see the
latest ultrasound of little Buck Junior. That's actually not not
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Come back in Clay and Buck here and our friend
Miranda Divine in the mix with us once again. She
is the author of laptop from hell and uh is
a New York Post columnist, Miranda. Great to have you on,
Great to be with you again. Uh, you've been there
from the beginning to the end. Here you're like the
alpha chu Omega of all things Hunter Biden. Here we
(45:52):
are certainly the end of I guess a book of
the story. Maybe the end of the story, but uh,
we're here us. Clay asked me this in the break.
I didn't have a good answer unless it pertains maybe
to the sentencing and when that was scheduled for Why
do you think Joe came out with this now?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Yeah, Hi, bucking Clay. Look, I think it's precisely because
the sentencing for the gun felony charges in Delaware was
coming up in eleven days, and then a few days
after that was the sentencing on the gun conviction or
guilty plea in California and the thory the tax squad,
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and so I think he wanted to get out ahead
of that, probably because those convictions would have led to
serious jail time. If you look at just the US
sentencing guidelines, you would have seen, you know, around three
years is average for the tax fraud, especially if you
(46:55):
have a prior conviction, and then on the gun felony,
it would be average was about sixteen months, so that
was serious jail time. And I guess Joe Biden's trying
to maintain this fiction that his boy did nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, well, you know, we did a ton wrong. But
before we dive into that more, Miranda, you and Buck
hung out. Buck spoke at the New York Republican Club.
You can tell me if I've missed describing that. I
heard it went fantastically. Well, how much fun did you
guys have hanging out? And how did that overall go?
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Yeah, we had a great time. Unfortunately I missed that
because I was having a wag you beef feast at
Beach Cafe, and so I couldn't actually see Buck. But
people were coming in after his speech and just raving
about it and saying how wonderful he'd been. So we
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caught up a couple of days later and had a
trific time.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
That was great. Thank you, Miranda, I was. It was
good to get to meet you and your your husband
Ron really enjoyed it. Now I'm wondering, sorry, back to
the Hunter Biden stuff here for a second, what do
you think now? Happens with the rest of the Biden family.
We've been getting this question too. I always forget the brothers.
I mean the Joe's brother's name, but you know, he
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was kind of in the mix with a lot of
this stuff, right, and the ten percent for the big
guy and all this. Is it your expectation? I think
we all expected Hunter was going to get pardoned at
some point? Is it your expectation there could be additional pardons?
And do you give any credence to the he went
back ten years here to try to shut down investigation
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not only of Hunter or prosecution olive Hunter, but any
of his perhaps unnamed co conspirators in some of this mess.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean this pardon is not just about Hunter.
It's the pardon for Joe himself, because there's no other
reason to go back eleven years. That is unprecedented in
nobody has ever given such an all round, far reaching pardon.
Not even Nixon got one this long eleven years. You know,
(49:11):
it's not ten years. It's curious that it's eleven And
why is that? So I look back at the timeline
that I wrote up to the books, and you have
that's twenty fourteen. So February twenty fourteen was a Maidan revolution.
April of twenty fourteen, you have the Biden family swooping
in and making the most of that very corrupt and
(49:35):
you know, war torn country, and Hunter gets the one
million dollar a year gig on the board of this
corrupt energy company, Barisma, the most corrupt company in Ukraine,
which is saying something because it's the most corrupt country
in Europe. And Joe Biden was implicated in all of that,
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and so by closing off any avenue for investigation, then
he's sort of hiding his own role. And that's exactly
the mo that we saw in that five year investigation
into Hunter in Delaware, where every trail of evidence that
led to Joe Biden, and there were a lot was
(50:17):
closed off. The IRIS whistleblowers investigator's turn whistle blowers told
us that told Congress that in sworn testimony that when,
for instance, they wanted to search a cottage on Joe
Biden's property there in Wilmington or outside of Wilmington, they
were denied and they were never able to ask witnesses
(50:42):
about the identity of the Big Guy, which was the
code name that Hunter's business partners had to use to
refer to Joe to cover up his involvement in the
family influence peddling scheme. So all roads lead back to Joe.
Hunter was the bag man, the big guy is the
one who's protecting himself. He's not just being a kind father.
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And of course his brother, Jim Biden, Joe's younger brother,
Hunter's uncle, was very much involved in some of the
later deals, the China deals, and got considerable amount of money,
and he also is under investigation in sort of separate matters.
So I'm sure that Joe Biden will wait until the
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traditional time when presidents issue pardons, the last day or
two of his presidency in January, you know, sort of
nineteen or eighteen, and issue a pardon for his brother.
And no doubt there will be others involved in the scheme,
whether they're family members, many family members. We know from
James Comber is very good investigation of the money trail
(51:52):
that there were I think something like a dozen different
Biden family members who received money from these these schemes,
extracting millions of dollars from shady oligarchs in Ukraine and
Romania and Kazakhstan and from CCP officials in China, so
maybe he'll want to issue a pardon to them, although
(52:15):
I mean, some of them just received money. I guess
they weren't to know what their father where their father
got it. But also there'd be other I guess partners
of Hunters, Like there's a guy called Rob Walker in
Arkansas who was the conduit for a lot of this
money and then he parceled it out and fuddled it
out to Hunter and his family. So maybe he would
(52:38):
also get a pardon as much as anything to keep
his mouth shut. But I think when it comes to
people like Anthony Blincoln, who certainly assisted and met with
Hunter and assisted in covering up the laptop becall the
twenty twenty election, you know, if they received pardons, it's
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an admission of guilt from them if you accept a pardon,
and so I'm not sure that they are going to
want to admit guilt because thus far they've been very
good at keeping their hands clean and pretending they had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Miranda, you know better than anybody, And thank you so
much for coming on the past several years with us
and laying out just how many crimes Hunter had committed.
Joe Biden is trying to make in his statement last night,
Hunter looked like the victim of political attacks and overreaching prosecution.
Based on everything you have written and everything you have
(53:37):
seen of Hunter's alleged crimes and now convicted crimes, do
you think Hunter received favorable or unfavorable treatment from the
justice system.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
I mean, it's just hilarious. Of course he got favorable treatment.
And you know, Joe Biden's quite right. He was singled
out for special treatment and it was not what Joe
is saying he was. In fact, the Department of Justice
bent over backwards to protect him and to make sure
that the investigators never got to do what they wanted.
(54:12):
I mean, initially the investigation into him was supposed to
cover bribery and money laundering and foreign agent violations on
top of the tax and the guns. This was a
much bigger investigation or way more serious allegations. And the
only reason that Hunter ended up being charged at all
(54:35):
with any felonies was because of those brave Iris whistleblowers.
This was the opposite of an unfair prosecution or an
unfair investigation. What was unfair what was done to the whistleblowers,
and is still being done as they're being retaliated against
by Joe Biden's administration.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Miranda, now that we look at and you were talking
about all the different directions that the pardons in the
future can go, and also sort of the entire timing
of it, what comes next? What do you think Trump
should do associated with the Hunter Biden crime family when
he comes in. And I do think it's important, and
(55:19):
we mentioned this earlier, but isn't it astounding that Trump
has actually borne more political consequences for this simply by
asking about what happened in Ukraine and getting impeached than
anybody on the Biden crime family.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
I know. I mean, isn't he just the perfect scapegoat.
He was impeached for the sins of Joe Biden. Joff
Biden was the one who actually did what Trump was
impeached for. He just held a billion dollars in aid
as a threat to ensure that the prosecutor who was
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investigating the company paying Hunter a million dollars a year
was fired. And he did get fired, and the new
prosecutor dropped all the charges and the investigation against the
against Barisma and the owner who was enriching the Biden.
So Donald Trump, his crime was to ask President Zelenski
(56:17):
if he was going to do an investigation into the
Bidens And of course that sent just alarm signals right
through the deep state because they were complicit in covering
up and they knew that their role in that cover
up would come to the fore if the investigation into
Joe Biden went ahead in Ukraine and all their dirty
(56:38):
business that has led now to this tragic war in Ukraine.
So I think the number one priority for Trump is
going to be, and can see it with his installation
of people like Cash Bettel at the FBI, It's going
to be to root out the wrongdoers in the deep
state who covered up, who can fired to censor our
(57:04):
stories about Hunter Biden and thus to basically rig the
twenty twenty election to ensure that derogatory information about Joe
Biden never saw got to the public the voters, and
just you know that included the CIA and the actual
(57:25):
CIA director at the time, Gina Haspell under Trump, she
was involved in giving the green light to that dirty
fifty one letter I call it falsely claiming that the
Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. We thought it was
a whole bunch of retired intelligence officials. Turned out, Gina
(57:47):
Haspell herself allowed that to be published. It was put
on her desk, and she waved it.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Through Miranda Devine everybody. Miranda's got great books, including Laptop
from Hell. Make sure you go look at her latest
columns at New York Post dot com.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Branda, you've been on the story all along.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
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News and politics, but also a little comic relief. Clay
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Monday edition of The Clay and Buck Show kicks off
right now. I hope you all had a fantastic Thanksgiving.
I enjoyed mine very much. Clay, you enjoy your Thanksgiving.
I feel like I haven't talked to you in many days. Yeah,
we had an awesome time down in Florida. A lot
of beach football, lots of good times had by all.
(00:21):
So I hope everybody out there has gotten safely back
or will be getting safely back to their homes and
had great time with friends and families.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Really good get away. I'm sure there was a lot
of celebration among our crew still with the election outcome,
probably a lot of enjoyment. Maybe we can have some
fun stories about left wing Kamala voters and how they
handled Thanksgiving. But I thought it went pretty well.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
A lot to be thankful for this holiday season, particularly.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
If your name is Hunter Biden a goal. We jump
right in. We got a lot of things we're gonna
talk to you about today.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We have Miranda Devine joining in the third hour, so
if you can stick around for that, She's Laptop from
Hell author filed the Hunter case more closely than really anybody,
and I think you'll want to hear what she has
to say about this.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And Clay, the big.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
News that just broke last twenty four hours that Hunter
Biden has been pardoned.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
We're going to dive into this.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was in New York City a lot of stories
about the crime and migrants specifically and migrant crime, which
I want to talk with all of you about.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And you see.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Migrants in the streets begging for money, and this is
really affected New York. As I was up there visiting
my family for the holiday, Cash Patel announced officially as
Trump as his next pick for FBI director. Cash is
a friend of ours, a friend of the show. It's
who we had said we wanted. So when you get
what you want, you've just got to be happy, I think,
(01:46):
and thankful. So let's just see if he can get confirmed.
That's a whole other part of this. Oh and then
a bunch of terrorists, gee hottists in Syria overran Aleppo
and people are a little bit concerned about what's going
on there. We'll see if we have time to dive
into some of that. Today I got to start Clay
with because there was a lot going into today and
(02:07):
then yesterday with the Hunter Biden pardon. We knew this
was going to happen, we actually said many times on
the show, and I'm sure so many of you agreed
with us. But what was fascinating here as we see
this whole situation unfold, was that they pretended that they
(02:31):
didn't know in the media because they wanted Joe Biden
win the election. They acted like they were so dumb.
We even have here here's well, do you want to
play our prediction? First, let's do the prediction. This is
one of This is going back in time, old school.
I believe this is May nineteenth of twenty twenty two,
(02:51):
US saying that Hunter would get the pardon from Joe
Biden as one of his final official acts. This one,
I gotta say, nailed. Let's listen to it.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
He's going to pay a fine and he's going to
plead to some misdemeanor. There will be no jail time, right,
that's the like you think, like he's not actually gonna
go to trial and face.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
I think he's gonna get charged, as you keep saying.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
But like, but what I'm saying is he might Oh
you're saying he might get charged criminally.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, I think he get charged criminally.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I think it's gonna look, the reality is, I
think they'll try and and and drag it out because
I really think there's a strong chance that one of
his final acts in office, because I just I keep
watching Joe Biden buck and I just find it impossible
to believe that he's truly going to be able to
run for re election, And so I think one of
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his final acts may be pardoning his son.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
That was two years ago. But I mean, so that's
a great call in advance. But I'm talking about Clay
the media after he was charged, and it was a
real thing, right, So you were getting that was an
ad d ants that was way in advance of the
whole story. The past six months, we've been hearing NonStop
or something like that, six months that Joe Biden's not
(04:10):
gonna pardon his son, even though he's already been found guilty.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Okay, you're you're.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Talking about so to just to be clear, Clay here
is projecting out two years and was correct two years
in advance. But the story from the from the media
side of things is that Hunter is found guilty of
multiple felonies, is facing time in prison, and we have
can we just get some of these, you know, the
(04:35):
the montage we have of all the people in the media.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Let me say this too, Buck, I do think this
is evidence of how duplicitous and lying they are. I
don't think that you and I are uniquely geniuses and
analyzing the political landscape.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It was self evident.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
The only way Biden wasn't going to pardon Hunter is
if there was some sort of Amala had won. I
think Kamala would have pardoned Hunter and that would have
let Biden off the hook for doing it. Or if
Trump in a handshake agreement they trusted each other and
Trump was going to do it. But the idea that
Joe was ever going to let Hunter go to prison
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was on its face absurd to anyone with a functional
brain who is honest with their audience and tem If
we could, could we grab one of the times or
we said the last six months that one hundred percent
he's going to pardon Clay, and I totally agreed on
that one hundred percent he's going to pardon his son.
There's no it was laughable, And we said it was
laughable on the show that there was any way.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That his son was going to go to federal prison
while he's the president. Just it just was absurd. There
was no way. Meanwhile, in media land, this is cut too.
Here's what in advance of the election, mind you, they
were all saying about this play it.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Presidential promise to put the law before a family, letting
the world know that he will not wipe away the
decision of twelve of his son's peers. The President has
ruled out pardoning his son.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Major commitment from the President, accepting the outcome of the
trial and also pledging not to pardon his son.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
One side, Democrats and Joe Biden protecting the justice system,
and on the other Republicans and Trump protecting Trump. Our
current president of the United States has so much respect
for the law that he has said he would not
pardon his son. I mean again, it's all about the contrast.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
He is not pardoning his son, which he could do.
Everyone understands he's a decent man.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Joe Biden has gotten asked about, you know, talking about
line order.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
He's gotten asked if he would pardon his son.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
He has said no.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You heard the President say he would accept the outcome
of the case.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I know no other word for that, but presidential.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The contrast to how Trump has behaved, how Trump has
treated the rule of law.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
This was a good day for the system. I just
look at this book. Can I ask you, yes, I think,
do you think they're really there's dumb?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Or were they all just staring into the camera saying
I think the audience is this dumb.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I think there are many people out there who see
their job on television not to tell you what they think,
but to tell you what their party wants them to
tell you to think. And this is really important, and
I would tell all of you, and you sense it,
(07:28):
because these audiences are collapsing. You sense it. But there's
a difference between you may or may not agree with
everything that Buck or I say on this show on
a daily basis. In fact, it would be impossible for
you to agree with every opinion. But we're not reading
talking points. And I think democrats uniquely left wing political commentators.
(07:53):
They go out and they say as if they are
an advocate or lawyer for their selfe as opposed to
actually looking at the facts and being somewhat rational or
reasonable and so Buck, I think they don't even.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Really worry about whether they believe it or not.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think they worry about whether the people in power
watching them on television think that they're doing a good
job advancing the cause. And basically they're propagandist. And I
don't have a problem with this From a legal perspective.
Your lawyer should go out and make the best possible
case that he can for everything that you do. Like Karine,
(08:35):
Jean Pierre is a liar, but she's a liar because
she's being forced to try to cover for one of
the most daft and flagrantly dishonest men to ever be
in the White House.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And I'm talking about Joe Biden.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Because Buck, they knew, according to NBC, of course they
did in June, that he was going to pardon Hunter
as soon as Hunter was convicted. Buck, it was self
evident that he was going to pardon. He was not
going to let Hunter go to prison. So if you
went out and argued, oh, this is a sign of
how much he believes in rule of law and justice,
(09:13):
you were either to your point. And I do think
it's a good question. A complete and total moron, which
I don't believe these people are, or such a die
hard member of the cult, which is what I think
they are, that they will not brook any dissent, and
so you have to say whatever the deer leader says
is the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I also think that there's some really good things that
come out of this. Okay, let's let's just get to
the happy part of this equation for a moment, or
the positive part of the equation. I saw you tweeted this, Clay.
I you know, I didn't want to tweet the same
thing because but I totally agree like.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Clay says it, Buck says, I think.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
I think just conditional, I mean unconditional pardons for every
single one. Just this is this is you know, this
is purpose because they've already served If they've been prosecuted,
they've already served time, so they've already spent time in prison,
they've already had there, they've already been punished extensively, including
the ones who have you know, punched a cop or whatever.
They've already been punished. So pardons they get out. That's it, unconditional,
(10:14):
full scale everybody get out. And by the way, a
lot have been punished far more already than they should
have been. But that's why I so I think pardons
for J six. There's just no reason I can see
there's no feasible reason not to have that. And then
also it just is a reminder. It kind of goes
with the Cash Patel appointment, which is the people who
(10:37):
are simultaneously proclaiming how they are the great defenders of
the DOJ and of our justice system have been flouting
the justice system themselves and are using it as a
weapon against their political opponents. And this is just not
something that can be sustained. This is not something that
(10:58):
can continue if we're going to live in a free society.
I think it gives Cash Patel, assuming he can get
into FBI appointed, you know, or confirmed a mandate.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh, I think we need to dive into more of
these details too, buck on not only how much of
liars they were that this happened, but I will say
my jaw dropped a little bit when I saw how
expansive the pardon was.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
It's ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Of basically anything Hunter Biden did, going all the way
back to twenty fourteen. Because they're trying to say, oh, well,
Biden's son is being targeted for political prosecution and this
is unfair and all of those they wait a minute.
Twenty fourteen, Joe Biden was Vice president. Joe Biden was
(11:47):
not running for president. We thought that his political career
was over in twenty sixteen when Hillary got the nod
from from Barack Obama a full decade of free and
clear get out of jail free card. I'm not sure
we've ever seen a level of pardon that is this
expansive buck ten years. Everything he did, there are no
(12:11):
charges allowed to be brought, and he committed a lot
of crimes.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's an admission that his son is a criminal, meaning
that it's not one thing that he did. He has
lived his life for the last decade as a criminal,
because he doesn't even know if he could cover all
the different crimes that his son committed, never mind what
may or may not be covered in the statutal limitations,
et cetera. So yeah, it's this just shows you, no, Clay,
(12:37):
what a fraud the media was by lying about the
pardon that you and I and every we all knew.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
We all knew, right, No, this is not I noticed.
We're not even years.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Could have gotten four to one while we say we
all knew polymarket you could have gotten four to one
payout on will Joe Joe Biden pardon his son so
a lot of people were not betting this would happen.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I know, I know, I know, we should have put
every down him. Sad.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now I'm really bummed out because to me, this was
the most obvious thing in the entire world. But I
would just say, not only do they lie about it
so much, but it's just a really reminder to everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Joe Biden's a scumbag. Okay, he will lie to you
about anything.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He lies and lies and lies some more about things
that he also pretends to be honorable about, right, I mean,
that's the thing he's defending, the rule of law. Joe
Biden has always been this way. He has never been
a good man. He has never been an honorable man.
And so all these people lecturing us about Trump and
trump Ism and all the rest of it, look at
who they put forward. Yeah, I just think it's an
(13:37):
important reminder of how just dirty and disgraceful the whole
Biden family is. By the way, there may be other pardons.
He may sneak through a few more for whatever his
brother's name is. Yeah, just preventative, just preventative pardons.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Who knows, No, I agree, And that's what we need
to talk about too, because really this isn't about protecting Hunter.
If you look at the ten year window here about
protecting Joe. Everybody's like, oh, he's selfless, he's a dad,
he's protecting his son. No, no, no, no, he's protecting himself too.
He's trying to insulate himself from all political charges and
all felony charges, which honestly he should face. Look, if
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I just saw this and I think it's tied in.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
There is a reordering that is going on right now
in the media that is massively important, and I think
it's got long range consequence. MSNBC Buck just hit a
twenty year ratings low. They had just thirty eight thousand
(16:12):
viewers in the twenty five to fifty four targeted age
group range that tends to consume media and be very
valuable for advertisers. That's unheard of, and what's going on.
I got a thesis for you. You'll like it, Buck, because
it takes you back in time to the nineteen eighties.
(16:35):
The best in my humble opinion, when I was a kid,
I'm now ready to recognize that I was wrong. I
thought the best Indiana Jones movie, Buck, was Temple of
Doom in the nineteen eighties. In retrospect, it's the worst
of the nineteen eighties era movies. The Last Crusade I
(16:55):
think is the best. Then Raiders of the Lost Arc,
then Temple of Doom. They're all very good. We're not
talking about the two additional ones. But there is a
moment in that movie, Temple of Doom, where Indiana Jones
has drank the blood serum and has lost his ability
(17:16):
to think rationally, and he is a member of the
cult that is supporting this Indian priest. Spoiler alert, by
the way, if you hadn't said, if you haven't seen
Temple of Doom, and short Round runs up to him
and burns him, and when he has burned, he suddenly
(17:37):
sees the truth. An optimist in me, Buck thinks that
Trump's election for a lot of the woke American population
has had that Short Round branding Indiana Jones and waking
him up from the cult that they were a part
(17:58):
of moment, and there's evidence for this. And I've been
asking this question. If you had been lied to about
everything surrounding COVID, if you'd been lied to about very
fine people and Donald Trump being a Nazi and all
these things, at some point, wouldn't you have to wake up?
Wouldn't you have to recognize that much of what you
(18:21):
had come to believe was actually false. I think there
is finally a reckoning taking place at MSNBC at CNN,
with many different left wing commoners out there, And this
latest Biden pardon of Hunter is yet another thing. You
(18:41):
may not agree with this show on a day to
day basis, but over the last four years, we've gotten
almost everything that is very consequential.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
We've told you where things were headed, we've told you
what the outcomes were likely to be. And when we're wrong,
and I was wrong about twenty two twenty two, we
come on and say, hey, we got something wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Have you ever heard anybody explained why we think it
got it was?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
And they're not standing now because we nailed this election boom.
But some people being a little bit of doubting, you know,
being a little bit of doubters would say, well, what
about the red wave in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
There was a surge of Republican voters. It just surged
in the wrong places at the wrong time to get
the electoral outcome we wanted. New York California Republicans were
able to deliver the House because there were a lot
more read votes there.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And you know, look, we had a couple of week candidates.
Things didn't go your way, but that wasn't off by
a lot. The media that we're talking about, I mean
Clay they said, not only the hunter, Biden wasn't going
to get pardon. They told everybody that Joe Biden was fine.
I think in the back of people's minds, the cover
(19:54):
up of the Biden dementia situation, which MSNBC were huge,
you know, the vanguard, they were the cheerleaders for cheerleaders
for this. To anyone who is discerning and paying attention
to the narrative creation machinery that is the news media,
you had to look at everything that they were going
to say about the twenty twenty four election. Anybody who
(20:15):
said that Biden's fine, well, clearly he wasn't and clearly
they should have known that, and clearly they did know that.
So everything else they say about Kamala, you gotta think.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
These people are liars.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
And how about the fact that they pivoted from Kamala
is the worst VP and they potentially should consider replacing
her to joy Read on election night claimed that she
ran a flawless campaign.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And then my favorite of an election night analysis, by
the way, that was the best thing set all in
all election night.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Can we pull that, by the way, because I think
she said, do you remember what she followed it up with,
she ran such a flawless campaign.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
You know who endorsed Joe Biden?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I mean, sorry, Kamala Harris, Queen Latifa, that was I mean,
I'm not even making this up.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
This was her argument.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Joy Read at the collapsing MSNBC network said that Kamala
ran such a phenomenal campaign that even Queen Latifa, who
never endorses anybody, endorsed Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Kid.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
The one thing that I feel very confident of buck
is celebrity endorsements is basically over.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, like as I.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Think social media has okay, social media first undermined the
people at the New York Times, who at ten am
would put out on Twitter Trump is Hitler and then
go on CNN at seven pm and say, well, I'm
just a journalist. I don't have opinions. That was the
beginning of the end for them because we saw it
was a matter of public record in a sense, what
(21:44):
they really thought. And with celebrities, you know, we figured
out they are really really dumb. Not all of them, right,
there are smart celebrities, and they are smart celebrities who
don't agree with us. I'm not saying that everybody who
votes Democrat who's a celebrity is dumb, but a lot
of the pop culture political voices out there, you know,
(22:04):
and you know now they're saying that Clooney felt like
he was bullied into bullying Biden out of the race.
These people have just no shame, They have no brain,
and they're trying all this stuff. But because we see
them on social media and they can expose what they
really think. Did you see the Jane Fonda thing with
Bill Maher. I mean, I know she's she's an older woman.
(22:26):
Did you see these some of these clips play She
doesn't think that California has enough regulation. She's living on
another planet. She lives in a reality that does not exist.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I have done enough TV and even some movies, Thank
you Daily Wire. The idea that actors and actresses are
uniquely smart and perceptive on anything is maybe the dumbest
thing that has ever taken root in American modern history.
The data reflects that the more obsessed you are with celebrities,
(22:58):
the dumber you yourself tend to be. And I'm not
saying I don't like watching television shows or whatever else,
but they're actors and actresses like they actually don't have
a great depth of knowledge in anything else. They sit
around in a trailer all day, memorize a few lines,
go out and do it like twenty five different times.
(23:20):
I would be bored to death being an actor. I've
done movies, I've done television. I've filmed a lot of
stuff over the years. We are live right now, you
and I talking.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Thank the Lord.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Everything we say, for better or worse, goes out to everybody.
If we had to do the same take over and
over and over again, I would shoot myself in the
head like these are awful in many ways jobs for
many people out there. The idea that we ever allowed
these people to be considered voices of unique perception in
(23:52):
America has been exploded. I also think Buck, there's a
whole there's so much celebrity now that it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Used to be there was mystery. It's diffuse, it's a
it's a it's look in the in the modern era.
If you're a one, If you're a young woman who
is just outrageously good looking, like you won the genetics lottery,
and you want to be famous, there's one hundred percent
chance you're gonna be famous.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And if you're a young guy and you know, you
really want to find a way and you're willing to
kind of work on your craft or whatever. I'm talking
about these YouTubers and you know, Instagram and TikTok, which
by the way, isn't being banned. And now Trump is
on and conservatives are on. It was just me and
Jamal Bowman for a while, their play Me and my
buddy Jamal Bowman. You standing off that TikTok.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I was partly on the Jamal Bowman Buck Buck Sexton train.
I wanted and I still think it's important that Chinese
interests not be able to own TikTok.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
But I think that company should exist.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
You can't just like smash a company because it has
some foreign ownership and you're just deciding you don't like it.
I mean, that's a really bad pres And so anyway,
it's also really fun. I've learned how to seer and
reverse seer and suvid steaks like nobody's business thanks to TikTok.
A lot of good gun content by the way, on
well YouTube.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Particularly with TikTok as well.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So until they probably get rid of it all soon, Clay,
I would just say the ability to be famous for
nothing that requires discipline and honestly a lot of luck.
Is it's easier to get famous now that it's ever been.
So being really famous doesn't really mean all that much.
(25:32):
It's it's less powerful than it used to be to
a lot of people. You know, there was a time
when if you were a top Hollywood actor, every pronouncement
you would make on everything was somehow in the news.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Oh you know. And this is also I think this.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Is to the to the discredit or to the the weakening.
Not to get into this conversation, and we are going
to talk about New York City migrants coming up in
the next hour and what I saw there and what's
going on. Also the Daniel pennycase, the updates on that,
so more news coming. Wait a second, but Clay a
British royal family. They were kind of the original reality
TV show Superstars in a sense, or reality Superstars, And
(26:09):
I just think now there's just so much other noise
out there that it doesn't sell newspapers quite the way
it used to.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, and I also this is the other thing that
I think is huge in terms of the way the
media is shattering and being rebuilt in real time.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It used to be someone who.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Had a platform had to say I'm going to make
you famous. You got selected to be on Friends, you
became a columnist at the New York Times. Somebody put
you on MSNBC or ESPN or Fox News or whatever
it was and basically said you're going to be famous.
(26:48):
Not to say those people are not talented, but that
was somebody on high producers owners. They decided who the
figures were that we all saw and that we're famous.
To your point, now, anybody can become famous instantaneously on TikTok,
(27:09):
on YouTube, on Instagram. I'm not saying it doesn't take work,
but the top down model of I'm going to make
you famous does not really exist in the same way.
It's a bottom up policy. And again, the name on
the back of the jersey, the way that I would
sum that up, matters more now than the name on
the front. It used to be like, I'm with the
(27:30):
Washington Post, and therefore you should talk to me. And
now a lot of people are like, so, what, like
the top down mantra in media is collapsing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You know, I've been in this game, especially on the
conservative media side of things. Play well, I've been a
consumer of it for oh my gosh, I don't know now,
like almost thirty years, and working in it for almost
fifteen years. And this is kind of the dream of
conservative media commentary, stretching back to the know, the early
(28:00):
days of Rush and then and then the rise of
the Internet and Fox News, and would be that the
Washington Post no longer held any sway over the public
mind outside of their own very partisan readership. And I
think we're we're pretty much there or getting close to there,
meaning no one I know. A perfect example of this
(28:22):
is when The New York Times ran a front page
article on Tucker Carlson saying he's a white nationalist, and
everybody who wasn't emotionally destabilized by Trump laughed and was like, yeah, sure, Tucker, right,
nice try. And by the way, to Tucker's credit, he
posed posed with the article, laughing at it, and it
got far more distribution than the actual article itself.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So some of these psychological chains bonds that the corporate media,
that the establishment corporate media has had, they are they
are actually broken right now, and some are still breaking.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Some are broken.
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I think the Democrats are trying to figure out what
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Speaker 1 (30:37):
We've got a lot of news to get to if
you Hunter. Biden pardoned yesterday full pardon, stretching back for
a decade. We told you it was gonna happen. It
was obvious, it happened. The media lied. They have no credibility.
They are scrambling. The Democrats have no leader. They are scrambling.
And it's a good time to be alive, good time
to be an American, my friends. The other thing that
(31:00):
just broke now play sharing this out on Twitter from
Donald J. Trump's truth account, which now also has a
mirror account on x and increasingly I think Elon is right.
This is going to be where the news would you
and I do Clay is commentary, context, entertainment, engagement, but
just the raw sharing of data. That's what CNN is
(31:25):
supposed to be, but clearly isn't right. That's what these
news organizations like the Washington Post are supposed to be,
but clearly aren't. Trump put this out and here's it
has to do with the hostages being held by Hamas
he writes, everybody's talking about the hostages who are being
held so violently, inhumanely and against the will of the
(31:46):
entire world in the Middle East. But it's all talk
and no action. Please let this truth serve to represent
that if the hostages are not released prior to January twentieth,
twenty twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office
as President of the United States, there will be all
hell to pay in the Middle East, and for those
in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity, Those responsible
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will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in
the long and storied history of the United States of America.
All caps, release the hostages now, Clay, I understand what
the people who are opponents of Trump are going to say.
They're say, oh, it's bluster hole. On a second, right,
you and I know there's a there's a history here.
(32:32):
What did Donald Trump do when he came into office
when it when it came to dealing with Isis, he said,
increase the strikes, let the commanders on the ground make
the call, take the fight to the enemy, destroy them,
and it happened. What did he do with the Boogeyman,
I mean, the the single really highest value target of
(32:53):
the entire Iraq war on the Shia side of the equation,
which is cost some solemany Donald Trump manner chief, had
him vaporized in Iraq because we got sick of him
killing Americans for sport. This is a guy who anybody,
I think has to take seriously when it comes to
making threats of this nature. I think the Biden administration
(33:16):
has gotten a lot of a pass from the media
on the fact that there are Americans, There are American
citizens held by Hamas, and Israel's done a great job
of retribution and justice when it comes to tagging and
bagging members of Hamas and Hezbola. But Trump is saying,
(33:36):
you guys better figure out what's going on here real quick,
or else the Trumpster's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
For those of you who.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Are old enough to remember it, Jimmy Carter's failure to
get American hostages back from Iran was a huge reason
why Donald why Ron Reagan came in and won in
nineteen eighty. The fact that Joe Biden has been to
Israel at least one and I think multiple times and
has never said while he was there, if the American
(34:06):
hostages aren't returned before I leave, I will rain down
holy hell on you is an ultimate indictment of Biden
and his administration, but also of the media for their
failure to cover American hostages in Gaza like they did
the American hostages in Iran. And this is important and
(34:26):
it isn't talked about enough, but bad guys only respond
to threats of force. You don't reason your way to
calibration with Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong un or Chairman
z or the Ayatola Iran, China, North Korea and Russia
(34:48):
are not going to be talked off the ledge from
doing something. It's why on this program we have pointed
out and I've never heard a good example for it.
Why did October seventh not happen when Trump in office?
Why did Ukraine not get invaded by Russia when Trump
was in office? If Trump was so weak and if
Putin was playing him for such a fool, why didn't
(35:11):
he invade then because he was afraid of what Trump
might do? Why didn't Hamas attack on October seventh when
Trump was in office because they were afraid of what
Trump might do? These huge authoritarian dictators, they're bullies. Trump
has seen these kind of people his entire life. Buck,
you grew up in New York City. You know there's
a lot of mafia dudes involved in every construction project,
(35:34):
and they only respond when you actually are willing to
stand up to them, and they fear what you might.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Do to them.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Just like when you're in the school yard, the bully
doesn't suddenly get talked off being a bully. Sooner or
later somebody has to smack him in the face and
the behavior changes.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I also think that it'd be very hard for the
opponents of Trump in this country to make the case
that this is all bluster, considering that they have turned
almost it's almost a religious belief or a mantra for
them that Trump is going to go after them, right, yes,
And they were the ones who were saying, oh, my gosh,
Donald Trump says Seal Team six can assassinate his rivals,
(36:16):
and you know, and saying that he might do really
crazy stuff. Well, if they're going to argue that he's
going to do crazy stuff inside of America, which let
me just reiterate, is crazy and he's not going to
do it. But it's hard for them to say, oh,
but he's going to draw the line when it comes
to Hamas terrorists because you and I and a lot
of other people in the ribots sit here and say
Anamas down, anybody involved, do whatever you gotta do. Get
(36:38):
our hostages back. They've had plenty of time to try
to negotiate. They'll want to negotiate. Now it's got to
be warheads on foreheads.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I would also point this out again, the schoolyard bully
is a good analogy. Everybody has experienced this in their life.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And Trump is great.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I think the thing that he does better than maybe
any president in any of our lives is when he
feels like he has an inch of negotiating leverage, he
exploits it, exploits it, exploits it. I don't think he's
gonna put a twenty five percent tariff on Canadian goods
or Mexican goods, for instance.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
We haven't talked about this a great deal, but he might.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
There might be a five percent chance that he's gonna
do it one in twenty And if he did it,
it would cripple Canada and it would cripple Mexico, and
the United States would go right along because we're the
dominant force in this region.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
For a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It feels to me, and I know many of you
out there know exactly what I'm talking about, like we
have behaved like like we are. We've done something wrong
and We're begging for forgiveness all over the world.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
The obsequious nature of our apologies for everything has been
to me pathetic. And it has been exploited, exploited in Afghanistan,
it was exploited in Ukraine, it was exploited in Israel,
and it's certainly been exploited in our southern border, and
it's been exploited in our cities because so many people
have understood that the rule of law is not going
(38:13):
to be applied, and that violent misbehavior can run rampant
in our streets, and sooner or later, the bad guy,
and Trump's willing to be the bad guy, has to
show up and start smacking people around and show that
there are consequences.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And that, to me is so much of his talk is.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
He's got to start cracking some skulls. Yes, and you
know this is I don't know how all of you
have seen the Breakfast Club, I assume, so you know
what I'm talking about. I think, Clay that Trump coming
into office at this time is particularly fortuitous because Israel
is in a stronger position vis a vis its enemies
(38:50):
in the region that it has been in a very
long time. You'll notice you don't hear a lot of
you don't hear really any at least getting into our
news cycle vociferous protests from the Saudis or the Egyptians
really or these other states in the region. You know,
they might, for domestic political purposes, say some stuff, but
(39:13):
a lot of them are pretty happy to see Hamas
whittled down from what it had become. At least the
regimes are. Whether the Arab street degrees is another thing.
And I think that Trump is in a position now
to help Israel establish a much more lasting piece, which
requires the destruction of enemies were implacable, and that's really
(39:34):
where this is. I mean, there's no what Hamas showed
on October seventh, other than grotesque in humanity and war rhymes,
was that it can never be a partner for peace.
It can never be treated as an honorable entity that
will abide by contracts abide by its word. It is
an enemy combatant, the entire entity, and has to be
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treated as such. And Trump's going to back them on
this one hundred percent. Trump's not going to do this
speaking out of one side of his mouth, speaking out
of the other, which Joe Biden and Kamala both tried
to do over the last year without success.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Really, I might add, and let me just also point
this out.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Some of you may say, well, I don't know why
we should be that concerned about what's going on in
the Middle East, and all I care about is America.
If you allow these people ruling these countries to think
that they can take action against Americans, they'll do it.
And I think Russia has done it. They've been taking
American prisoners. Remember we gave we got Britney Griner back
(40:33):
WNBA player, and they got the Merchant of Death. Guess
what the Merchant of Death is already doing buck procuring
arms for Russia to reign down war upon other parts
of the world's merchandising death.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
The merchant to death crazy maybe could have predicted it.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I don't know what's the Merchant of Death going to
do when he gets out of prison, Probably gonna merchandise
more death. What's Britney Griner going to do? She's going
to be a mediocre women's basketball player who got out
of jail because she's black and a lesbian, and that
is all that matters in identity politics of Leyden Democrat universe.
There's still a lot of other people held hostage. Look,
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but you incentivize the grabbing of hostages when you aren't
able to get your people home. Remember back in the day,
Rome had a rule if you and I'm paraphrasing, but
if you harm the hair of a Roman citizen, they
would track you down, no matter where it was in
their empire, and they would rain down holy hell upon you.
That used to be America's policy too. And now we've
(41:34):
just been to the knee and say, oh, we're sorry
because we had slavery in eighteen sixty and that means
that suddenly we don't have the moral authority to take
action today.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Those days are over. Absolutely, we'll take some calls. And
also remember we've got Miranda Divine joining us. Talk about
the big news right now, which is again Hunter Biden pardoned.
And I think these things are sort of different sides
of the coin, or different sides of the issue. Cash
(42:04):
Battel appointed to go to FBI, which is fantastic. Cash
is We said it here. We endorsed him, we wanted him,
He's the guy we know Cash. We'd have him on
the show. But I think everyone's kind of laying low
on the media, at least some of them are until
this stuff gets done. But yes, Cash Battel to be
at the FBI under Trump as director. There's the Christopher
(42:27):
Ray issue. There is he gonna make Trump fire him?
How's that gonna go? And then there's also Hunter Biden
getting pardoned. So we'll get into all this, and I'll
tell you know, I was lucky this morning that that
Clay was ready and in position because I had to
rush back from being at the doctor to see the
latest ultrasound of little Buck Junior. That's actually not not
(42:48):
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Come back in Clay and Buck here and our friend
Miranda Divine in the mix with us once again. She
is the author of laptop from hell and uh is
a New York Post columnist, Miranda. Great to have you on,
Great to be with you again. Uh, you've been there
from the beginning to the end. Here you're like the
alpha chu Omega of all things Hunter Biden. Here we
(45:52):
are certainly the end of I guess a book of
the story. Maybe the end of the story, but uh,
we're here us. Clay asked me this in the break.
I didn't have a good answer unless it pertains maybe
to the sentencing and when that was scheduled for Why
do you think Joe came out with this now?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
Yeah, Hi, bucking Clay. Look, I think it's precisely because
the sentencing for the gun felony charges in Delaware was
coming up in eleven days, and then a few days
after that was the sentencing on the gun conviction or
guilty plea in California and the thory the tax squad,
(46:34):
and so I think he wanted to get out ahead
of that, probably because those convictions would have led to
serious jail time. If you look at just the US
sentencing guidelines, you would have seen, you know, around three
years is average for the tax fraud, especially if you
(46:55):
have a prior conviction, and then on the gun felony,
it would be average was about sixteen months, so that
was serious jail time. And I guess Joe Biden's trying
to maintain this fiction that his boy did nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, well, you know, we did a ton wrong. But
before we dive into that more, Miranda, you and Buck
hung out. Buck spoke at the New York Republican Club.
You can tell me if I've missed describing that. I
heard it went fantastically. Well, how much fun did you
guys have hanging out? And how did that overall go?
Speaker 6 (47:32):
Yeah, we had a great time. Unfortunately I missed that
because I was having a wag you beef feast at
Beach Cafe, and so I couldn't actually see Buck. But
people were coming in after his speech and just raving
about it and saying how wonderful he'd been. So we
(47:53):
caught up a couple of days later and had a
trific time.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
That was great. Thank you, Miranda, I was. It was
good to get to meet you and your your husband
Ron really enjoyed it. Now I'm wondering, sorry, back to
the Hunter Biden stuff here for a second, what do
you think now? Happens with the rest of the Biden family.
We've been getting this question too. I always forget the brothers.
I mean the Joe's brother's name, but you know, he
(48:20):
was kind of in the mix with a lot of
this stuff, right, and the ten percent for the big
guy and all this. Is it your expectation? I think
we all expected Hunter was going to get pardoned at
some point? Is it your expectation there could be additional pardons?
And do you give any credence to the he went
back ten years here to try to shut down investigation
(48:41):
not only of Hunter or prosecution olive Hunter, but any
of his perhaps unnamed co conspirators in some of this mess.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean this pardon is not just about Hunter.
It's the pardon for Joe himself, because there's no other
reason to go back eleven years. That is unprecedented in
nobody has ever given such an all round, far reaching pardon.
Not even Nixon got one this long eleven years. You know,
(49:11):
it's not ten years. It's curious that it's eleven And
why is that? So I look back at the timeline
that I wrote up to the books, and you have
that's twenty fourteen. So February twenty fourteen was a Maidan revolution.
April of twenty fourteen, you have the Biden family swooping
in and making the most of that very corrupt and
(49:35):
you know, war torn country, and Hunter gets the one
million dollar a year gig on the board of this
corrupt energy company, Barisma, the most corrupt company in Ukraine,
which is saying something because it's the most corrupt country
in Europe. And Joe Biden was implicated in all of that,
(49:56):
and so by closing off any avenue for investigation, then
he's sort of hiding his own role. And that's exactly
the mo that we saw in that five year investigation
into Hunter in Delaware, where every trail of evidence that
led to Joe Biden, and there were a lot was
(50:17):
closed off. The IRIS whistleblowers investigator's turn whistle blowers told
us that told Congress that in sworn testimony that when,
for instance, they wanted to search a cottage on Joe
Biden's property there in Wilmington or outside of Wilmington, they
were denied and they were never able to ask witnesses
(50:42):
about the identity of the Big Guy, which was the
code name that Hunter's business partners had to use to
refer to Joe to cover up his involvement in the
family influence peddling scheme. So all roads lead back to Joe.
Hunter was the bag man, the big guy is the
one who's protecting himself. He's not just being a kind father.
(51:06):
And of course his brother, Jim Biden, Joe's younger brother,
Hunter's uncle, was very much involved in some of the
later deals, the China deals, and got considerable amount of money,
and he also is under investigation in sort of separate matters.
So I'm sure that Joe Biden will wait until the
(51:29):
traditional time when presidents issue pardons, the last day or
two of his presidency in January, you know, sort of
nineteen or eighteen, and issue a pardon for his brother.
And no doubt there will be others involved in the scheme,
whether they're family members, many family members. We know from
James Comber is very good investigation of the money trail
(51:52):
that there were I think something like a dozen different
Biden family members who received money from these these schemes,
extracting millions of dollars from shady oligarchs in Ukraine and
Romania and Kazakhstan and from CCP officials in China, so
maybe he'll want to issue a pardon to them, although
(52:15):
I mean, some of them just received money. I guess
they weren't to know what their father where their father
got it. But also there'd be other I guess partners
of Hunters, Like there's a guy called Rob Walker in
Arkansas who was the conduit for a lot of this
money and then he parceled it out and fuddled it
out to Hunter and his family. So maybe he would
(52:38):
also get a pardon as much as anything to keep
his mouth shut. But I think when it comes to
people like Anthony Blincoln, who certainly assisted and met with
Hunter and assisted in covering up the laptop becall the
twenty twenty election, you know, if they received pardons, it's
(52:59):
an admission of guilt from them if you accept a pardon,
and so I'm not sure that they are going to
want to admit guilt because thus far they've been very
good at keeping their hands clean and pretending they had
nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Miranda, you know better than anybody, And thank you so
much for coming on the past several years with us
and laying out just how many crimes Hunter had committed.
Joe Biden is trying to make in his statement last night,
Hunter looked like the victim of political attacks and overreaching prosecution.
Based on everything you have written and everything you have
(53:37):
seen of Hunter's alleged crimes and now convicted crimes, do
you think Hunter received favorable or unfavorable treatment from the
justice system.
Speaker 6 (53:50):
I mean, it's just hilarious. Of course he got favorable treatment.
And you know, Joe Biden's quite right. He was singled
out for special treatment and it was not what Joe
is saying he was. In fact, the Department of Justice
bent over backwards to protect him and to make sure
that the investigators never got to do what they wanted.
(54:12):
I mean, initially the investigation into him was supposed to
cover bribery and money laundering and foreign agent violations on
top of the tax and the guns. This was a
much bigger investigation or way more serious allegations. And the
only reason that Hunter ended up being charged at all
(54:35):
with any felonies was because of those brave Iris whistleblowers.
This was the opposite of an unfair prosecution or an
unfair investigation. What was unfair what was done to the whistleblowers,
and is still being done as they're being retaliated against
by Joe Biden's administration.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Miranda, now that we look at and you were talking
about all the different directions that the pardons in the
future can go, and also sort of the entire timing
of it, what comes next? What do you think Trump
should do associated with the Hunter Biden crime family when
he comes in. And I do think it's important, and
(55:19):
we mentioned this earlier, but isn't it astounding that Trump
has actually borne more political consequences for this simply by
asking about what happened in Ukraine and getting impeached than
anybody on the Biden crime family.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
I know. I mean, isn't he just the perfect scapegoat.
He was impeached for the sins of Joe Biden. Joff
Biden was the one who actually did what Trump was
impeached for. He just held a billion dollars in aid
as a threat to ensure that the prosecutor who was
(55:53):
investigating the company paying Hunter a million dollars a year
was fired. And he did get fired, and the new
prosecutor dropped all the charges and the investigation against the
against Barisma and the owner who was enriching the Biden.
So Donald Trump, his crime was to ask President Zelenski
(56:17):
if he was going to do an investigation into the
Bidens And of course that sent just alarm signals right
through the deep state because they were complicit in covering
up and they knew that their role in that cover
up would come to the fore if the investigation into
Joe Biden went ahead in Ukraine and all their dirty
(56:38):
business that has led now to this tragic war in Ukraine.
So I think the number one priority for Trump is
going to be, and can see it with his installation
of people like Cash Bettel at the FBI, It's going
to be to root out the wrongdoers in the deep
state who covered up, who can fired to censor our
(57:04):
stories about Hunter Biden and thus to basically rig the
twenty twenty election to ensure that derogatory information about Joe
Biden never saw got to the public the voters, and
just you know that included the CIA and the actual
(57:25):
CIA director at the time, Gina Haspell under Trump, she
was involved in giving the green light to that dirty
fifty one letter I call it falsely claiming that the
Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. We thought it was
a whole bunch of retired intelligence officials. Turned out, Gina
(57:47):
Haspell herself allowed that to be published. It was put
on her desk, and she waved it.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
Through Miranda Devine everybody. Miranda's got great books, including Laptop
from Hell. Make sure you go look at her latest
columns at New York Post dot com.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
Branda, you've been on the story all along.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
Appreciate all your insight and analysis, and we'll be talking
to you again soon.
Speaker 6 (58:10):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
Cybercriminals love this day, cyber Monday, and that's because it's
a day a lot of Americans, millions and millions of us.
Speaker 3 (58:20):
I'm one of them.
Speaker 1 (58:21):
It's going to be putting credit card info online to
get these great deals, right. But during that online shopping frenzy,
bogus emails with bogus websites more easily convinced innocent individuals
to share their online identity. That allows cybercriminals to do
their stuff. You won't know about it for weeks often,
and by then it's too late. It's important to understand
(58:42):
how cybercrime and identities after affecting our lives. Look, I
just got a notification, Clay. A couple of days ago,
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