Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 6 2024

The Daniel Penny verdict is looming. What happened to equal treatment under the law? The insane reaction to the UnitedHealthcare CEO murder in NYC. Pete Hegseth is fighting an ambush.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Everybody. Friday edition of Clay and Buck kicks
off now our man play out for the day on Roots. Actually,
I believe he's already landing in Israel. He'll be coming
to us live from Israel next week and I'll be
here stateside, so having a conversation halfway around the world

(00:21):
with our buddy Clay. He'll be bringing us bround truth
about what's going on over there with Israel surrounded by
enemies like Hamas and Hesblaw, though it has taken the
fight to them as we know over the last year,
and the situation on the ground has improved in terms
of Israeli security dramatically. So we'll be discussing that next week. Today,

(00:41):
though really the whole focus is going to be on
what's happening here at home. Some updates on the assassination
of the United Healthcare CEO. This has turned into an
internet sleuthing phenomenon. Everyone trying to figure out, based on
the phone Poto's release, based on the city bike path

(01:02):
of his escape, who this guy is. Are they ever
going to catch him? Is he a professional or not?
These are all conversations that are ongoing. We will get
into some of this Mayor Eric Adams. A lot of
New York on my mind right now. Mayor Eric Adams
seems to leave open the possibility that he's gonna be

(01:26):
willing to work with Republicans a whole lot more than
anybody anticipated in this incoming administration. I see, I'm telling you,
Once the Feds are set on you by Democrats for
partisan reasons, all of a sudden, Republicans still look so scary. Right,
all of a sudden, the incoming Trump administration looks like

(01:47):
they're somebody might want to extend a hand to I
think this opportunity from Mayor Eric Adams for Trump, or
maybe the opportunity from Trump to Mayor Eric Adams could
be for two US, for America's largest city in my
hometown of many decades. So we will will dive into
some of what he says. There. A little sad for

(02:10):
those of us who enjoy looking at the firearms reviews
and the steak cooking tips on TikTok, A federal judge
has now ruled that a ban or sale law of
TikTok is able to go through. So the appeals court
upheld a nationwide ban or sale law for TikTok. Look.

(02:33):
As long as TikTok stays, I think that's a good thing.
I think that Trump administration is going to be in
a position to both cut off the threats of Chinese
spying through the app, but also let's put some pressure
on TikTok to be a transparent and free speech platform. No,
none of this fraudulent democrat activist stuff of oh, we

(02:56):
just have a terms in service, but we can't tell
you anything about what's really good going on, because as
we know, the power of these social media platforms is massive.
I think we might have had a very different election.
I don't know what it would have meant, but I
think things would have been very different, certainly in the
coverage of this last election, if you did not have

(03:17):
x Elon Musk's X formerly Twitter as a true free
speech platform because they could not suppress, they could not
shut down, and once the information's out there reaches critical
mass on X it ends up being something you'll see
covered by other news organizations. They can't just ignore it,
they can't just suppress it. So it has a huge

(03:40):
impact on the political and cultural conversation. So we'll discuss that.
I also think we are likely to see a verdict
in the Daniel Penny case today. The Daniel Penny case
has been taken to the jury. The jury is currently
in the process of deciding Daniel Penny's fate. They are deadlocked.

(04:07):
And so here's what I know about this so far.
There's it's a little bit confusing. I was trying to
look this up, speak to some legal expert friends of
mine get a sense as to there's really two variations
of manslaughter that are at issue here. The top count
is a reckless manslaughter count, and this very state to state,

(04:31):
and the language the way the statutes are crafted varies
state to state. But there's also the lesser count of
a involuntary manslaughter effectively, right, that's so, and you can say, well,
reckless manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter out of these things. You have

(04:53):
to get pretty deep into the statue to see the
legal distinction, the distinction in terms of a sentence, and
could be very serious. Uh. And and that assumes that
he's found guilty on either of them. My concern here
has been and I know we had Uncle Bill, we
had Bill O'Reilly with us, and he's confident nearly I mean,
I'm sorry a Penny. Rather, he's confident Penny is going

(05:14):
to get off. Jordan nearly was the individual who lost
his life in this exchange, who was who was killed
when h or Or died as a result of it
is true that he was alive when police arrived to
revive him, which I think has not gotten nearly enough
attention and news coverage. So you know, he had a pulse,

(05:36):
he was breathing when the police got there, and so
there's there's been a lot of back and forth between
the Penny team and the prosecution over really was what
was was the cause of death solely the application of
force around the neck or the fact that he was
a I believe a schizophrenic and was already had serious

(06:00):
health issues and was going into a panic and then
also with the force. Anyway, this this jury is going
to be making a big decision here, and I think
they'll be making it today and probably while we're on air,
so we will follow that very closely. And I just
think that no matter what happens here, the reason that
there's such a focus, whether there's a not guilty verdict

(06:23):
or a guilty verdict that comes out of the Penny case,
the reason that there's such a focus on it is
that there really was a period of time a terror
in this country and it was led by these these
ideological democrat often in fact back by George Soros organizations,
so they are Soros prosecutors. This was the case in

(06:47):
San Francisco, in Philadelphia, in New York. You know, you
go down list in LA. I mean, all these major cities,
in Chicago, all these major cities have these prosecutors who
are funded by and supported by the most radical left wing,
really fundamentally Marxist and racial Marxist entities in this country

(07:12):
who decided that we just need to have more crime
to achieve more social justice because the people who disproportionately
commit crimes are non white. Therefore we have to change
the way that prosecutions happen, less people in prison. In fact,
the ultimate goal, as you know, and you can find this,

(07:34):
they won't talk about it that much. They ran with
the defund police thing for a while because that gave
them some wiggle room. What does defund mean, Well, it
doesn't mean gone entirely, but that really would be the
ultimate goal. The ultimate goal on prisons is abolished prisons,
which sounds insane because it is, but that is what
they would like to see. These radical left criminal justice

(07:54):
reformers do not believe that those who commit crimes should
be incarconted, and they talk about things like restorative justice anybody,
which is an absurdity, I might add, anybody who has
spent time in around the criminal justice system knows there
are people who are a danger to the public, and
there are people who have done who have chosen to

(08:17):
do bad things to other people, and there are real victims,
and they need to be taken out of circulation on
the street for many years, perhaps the rest of their lives.
And if you don't do that, you get the Lake
and Riley situation, for example, and that also adds the
illegal illegal alien component. But you get somebody who finally

(08:40):
they do something so heinous and so awful to an
American that we go, okay, well, now they've got to
go to prison for a long time. But they should
have been in prison before that, and they should have
been expelled before that. The failures of the criminal justice
system itself results in real victims. When the justice system

(09:02):
does not function as it is supposed to, as it promises,
it has a sacred obligation you know, there's a reason
why we have all these laws to take a place
like New York State, for example. You know, oh, you
can't carry your own weapon. You can't even have a
gravity knife, which is a don't start sending me your
definitions of oh what's as it's a vague definition on purpose, right,

(09:23):
But you can't even have certain blades on you in
order to defend yourself in New York City. You can't.
I think you can't even carry pepper spray in New
York City. There's all these because the state's going to
defend you. So you are, by the power of the state,
threatened to be incarcerated yourself if you wish to defend yourself,
if you wish to take your own defense into your hands, which,

(09:45):
by the way, as a citizen, every citizen, every human being,
has the right to self defense. It is a god
given right. It is not a state given right. But
New York says, no, you can't defend yourself with any
of these tools. That would make it a lot EASi year.
We will defend you, we will protect you. And this
is the same conversation in California, and the same conversation

(10:09):
in all of these states. That have been overtaken by
this radical left wing ideology. But what happens, Not only
is it going to be imperfect, which that is a certainty, right,
They're not going to be able to protect everybody all
the time. We know that, and we actually can't demand
perfect security from the state. But they fell into a

(10:31):
period of recklessness, and it was because of the George
Floyd riots. It was because of BLM two point zero.
A decision was made. A psychological pandemic took over the country,
or at least those who are in charge of prosecuting
and enforcing the law, and Democrats a lot of who
went along with this stuff, even you know everyday folks.

(10:54):
The decision was made that we're just going to have
to allow more of this to happen because that will
be more socially just eventually we will be a more
harmonious country if we don't punish those who are being
predatory against their fellow human beings more severely. Whether it's

(11:15):
this stealing, this kind of retail organized retail theft they
call it, which is just you know, this is career
criminal conduct. Just keep going and stealing, stealing tens of
thousands of dollars at a time that's from the Department
source things that we've seen, or individuals who are violent
for no reason with somebody. If you're violent with somebody

(11:37):
for no reason on the street and it's because you
are mentally ill, it is incumbent upon the state to
take you off the street until there is a high
degree of certainty that your mental illness will not result
in further violence like this. And again, I am well
aware that you know, less than one percent of people
who have any form of mental illness are violent. But
we got three hundred and fifty million people in this country.

(12:00):
So if it's one percent, that's a lot of violence, right,
Or even if it's one hundredth of one percent, it's
a lot of violence. You have to deal with that.
You look at the statistics in New York City and
there have been an op eds the Wall Street Journal
and elsewhere. If you took about three or four thousand
people who are career criminals truly out of circulation, meaning

(12:22):
they are incarcerated, they are now semi permanent guests of
the state, you would reduce violent crime effectively overnight, at
least for the purposes of this analysis, by sixty or
seventy percent. These options are out there. Giuliani did this
over a period of years in New York City. There
isn't some big mystery, but decisions were made. Deblasio, a

(12:49):
vile ideologue, a communist to his core, and many others
along with them, decided in my city, we're going to
be first and foremostmpathizing with the criminal. Not why they
did this thing, or rather not what they did and
how it affects that person, but why they did this
thing in the first place. What are the root causes?

(13:11):
Root causes? Well, we can do root causes all day,
unless you're Hunter Biden. Try explaining the root cause of
you choosing not to pay your taxes while they're locking
you up in a cell. It's remarkable, isn't it that
the law claims to have in these places the right
to your property and the right to your freedom at

(13:33):
its whim, while also telling you that, look, some people
who do really bad stuff they should be able to
walk free. Jordan Neely was terrorizing people on the subway
when Daniel Penny stepped in after walking up to an
Asian woman on a subway platform some months before punching
her in the face for no reason, breaking her eye socket,

(13:55):
broke bones. I mean, imagine you're that woman. Imagine you're
that woman's husband or brother or father. And this has
happened to friends of mine in New York City. This
has happened. This happened to me in New York City.
I'm havn't punched in the face by somebody, but I've
been threatened it. I've had lunatics say they're gonna stab me,
and I've had a guy take out as Genitalia and I,
you know, uh like, You're like, WHOA what do I
you know? You just get out of there as fast

(14:16):
as you can. Lunatics running around, lunatics running around, and
a former marine steps in and says, enough enough of this.
The state has failed to protect the people, the good
people of New York City, so I will step in
to protect them. And people on the subway car have

(14:38):
said it, and other people joined in to help him.
This wasn't racism, This wasn't some guy acting like a
fake tough guy. This was I was trained as a
marine to stand up for those who can't stand up
for themselves, and not to wait until it's too late.
And now the city of New York. This jury is
deciding his fate. The implications of this for the country,

(15:00):
for the months and years ahead under this Trump administration,
I think are profound because it is a symbol. Have
we reached a point of change or not? Is there
an understanding? Look, do I wish that Jordan Neely was alive? Absolutely? Yes,
this was an unfortunate situation. He did not mean to

(15:22):
kill him, but he was right to step in, and
he was right to lay hands on this guy because
you're not allowed to go on a subway and tell
everybody I'm going to kill you, which is what he said,
and I'm ready to go to prison for it. So
a lot riding on this. We may get a verdict
while we're on air. Also want to take your calls
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Speaker 1 (16:40):
Welcome back in here to Clay and appreciate you being
with us, and we'll get to some of your calls. Actually,
you know what before I move on to the United
Healthcare CEO assassination, which is a shocking story and quite
a who done it. At this point, we've got photos

(17:02):
that have been shared of the individual, a really interesting
anecdote about why we have those photos, which I will
get to more details on the material that he used
and the travel that this assassin engaged in. I mean
a guy using a silence pistol to murder the CEO

(17:24):
of Buy Revenue, I think the fourth largest company in
America by revenue, not by profit. That's not something you
see every day, thankfully, right next to our New York
City studio. If I'll tell you this, if he hadn't
had a silencer on it, and my crew in New
York had been in the studio, they would have heard
the gunshot. Okay, that's how close it is to our

(17:45):
people there in New York City. Well, I know, if
it was a twenty two maybe not. But if it
was a nine millimeter, oh yeah, that crack where they are,
they would have heard that. We're looking at that. But first,
I want to take a couple of calls on the
Penny issue because to me, this is we've just got
a matter of hours, maybe a matter of minutes before
we find out what the jury verdict is. So this

(18:08):
is imminent. Kim in Saint Louis wants to talk about
the Daniel Penny situation. What have you got for me, Kim, I.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Don't understand why this man is being prosecuted.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
He is a hero.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
He put his life on the line to save other
people's lives from this person that shouldn't even have been
out on the streets in public. I can't wrap my
head around our judicial system going after this man. He's
a hero. Why are they a sitting here trying to
take and put him in jail for protecting other people?

(18:39):
I don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, if it were a different city, a different
set of prosecutors, Kim, I think that there's a chance
they wouldn't have brought this case at all. And it's
really sad to say, but I think it's true to
say that if Penny had been a black unite, if
Penny had been a black United States Marine and Newly

(19:04):
had been a criminal and you know, dangerous schizophrenic white guy,
New York City would probably view this case very The
prosecutors would treat this case very differently. I think we
all recognize that it's because of the racial angle that
they have decided to go. Remember, they're going with a
top count that could put him in prison for fifteen years.

(19:24):
Fifteen years. And if you look and see what plea
bargains are offered by these Soros prosecutors for gang members
who you know, shoot somebody in an attempted murder or something.
You know, it's came out. I'm with you in that
it seems to defy logic or defy justice at some level.

(19:44):
But this is the politics of a city. Thank you
for calling of New York City, thank you for calling in.
And Saint Louis, I might add, is a city that
had the prosecutor there also Soros backed super high crime
rate there by the way, But they were thinking about
prosecuting the the couple, the husband and wife who had
the guns in front while the b L M march
was you know, ominously uh you know, trapesing through the neighborhood.

(20:10):
They they had their their legally owned firearms out and
they were gonna charge them, I think with brandishing or
something like that. Adding Grand Rapids, Michigan, an attorney and
a police officer, and what have you got for us?

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, you know, I see it from from both different
from both sides. I work as a defense attorney but
also as a police officer, and unfortunately they're doing the
same thing here in Michigan. Our Attorney general is very
anti police and there are multiple police officers who stood up,
did their job heroically, and unfortunately the outcome is oftentimes

(20:48):
it's race, a white cop and a dead black guy,
and unfortunately they're getting they're getting prosecuted right now, we've
got several of them. They should be giving these guys
to wards. Same thing with Daniel Penny. The prosecutor should
give an award. They have the discretion not to prosecute,

(21:08):
and their job is to seek justice, not seek prosecutions
or convictions.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, and that sometimes I think people thank you so
much for calling in. I think people lose sight of
that when they talk about the lawyers and prosecutors in
the legal system. There is this notion that, well, that's
what has to happen because that's what the system says,
and it's just hold on, this is the justice system.
It is supposed to do. What is justin should be

(21:38):
recognizable by the public as such, right, which is why
for example, Donald Trump being found guilty of thirty seven
felonies felonies. You have to remember this wasn't even miss
felonies because they elevated it because they created some because
of how he listed a payment that was a legal

(21:59):
payment for an internal business documents. This is giving somebody
thirty seven felonies for you know, buying an ice cream
cone and having the top a scoop fall off and
saying oh you know, look what you did, environmental waste.
You're environmental terrorists. Now, thirty seven felonies. It's insane. It's insane,

(22:20):
and they did it to the incoming president of the
United States. Every time something like this is done by
these leftist radicals, every time something like this happens, it
undermines the public's faith in the government, which is supposed
to have takes upon itself a monopoly of force in

(22:44):
order to protect the people and to have a rule
of law that we all understand and believe in and support.
When they do this crazy stuff, when they decide that, well,
I like you, but I don't like you, so we're
gonna treat you under the law differently, people view this
and they say to themselves, this system is crap. There's

(23:07):
something rotten. There's something wrong here which brings me, by
the way, and I'll talk about it. It's why people
want Pete Hegseth that the Pentagon, It's why people want
cash matell at the FBI, including me, want these guys
at these places, including Clay, like, well, this is Trump's
team going forward. He needs people who are going to
go in and say the worst thing that the FBI

(23:27):
can do in some ways is use its powers to
go after non criminal conduct by people who are politically disfavored.
That's almost worse than the FBI just you know, deciding
they're gonna cut their arrest down in half when they
go after, you know, because they're told to. When they
go after innocent people because they don't like them, or

(23:49):
because people at the top don't like them, don't like
what they stand for, you can't have faith in the
rest of the system. And this is a system that
says it will send men and women with guns to
your home at you know, five o'clock in the morning
with your wife and children sleeping, you know, because of
insider trading, or because of you know, you didn't pay

(24:13):
your taxes, or because in the case people say they
don't do that buck, they let you surrender. And if
you're a political target, just ask Roger Stone, do you
remember that they sent in the law enforcement equivalent of
Sealed Team six, practically Rogers walking around in his velvet
slippers and his silk pajamas, like, what the heck are
you guys doing here? They got long guns. They got

(24:36):
because they said that he said something about his non
criminal conduct with regard to Trump and that that was
not true. And I mean, the whole fig was insane.
You remember this, and I remember this. But the state
wants to tell you that Donald Trump is a thirty
seven time felon. The state wants to tell you. The

(24:56):
state wants to tell you of New York that Daniel
Penny is a manslaughterer, which is effectively a murderer. That's
what they want you to believe. And this is something
that a lot of us, I think, see with the
disdain that it deserves, and it's ideologically based. This is

(25:18):
really here's a perfect example of how you can see
how differently things are treated. I remember, this is all
ultimately about rule of law, a norms based society, trust
in law enforcement, trust in the judicial process. This is
fundamentally a perception thing, right. You know, if you live

(25:39):
in a country and there are countries like this, I mean,
for example, Mexico is one of them where people just
believe that if someone commits a crime, the chance they're
going to be held accountable is almost zero. It's true,
that is the way that people go about their lives
in Mexico. Overall, there are other countries like this as well.
And that has effects on everything, has effects on productivity,

(26:00):
has effects on the economy, has effects on the mental
health of the population. Right, And I know, like Mexico
City is a really fun destination to visit for people
these days, and there's beautiful places in Mexico. I'm not
saying the whole place is some dystopia, but rule of
law is really different. And you know, we're a heck
of a lot wealthier as a country and a heck
of a lot safer overall as a country than a

(26:22):
lot of the provinces in Mexico that have been overtaken
by a tremendous violence. Same thing in different countries like Venezuela,
South America or States of Mexico, I should say they
have been overtaken by violence. So this stuff all matters.
The public's belief that the system is legitimate matters. And
this is also why Trump the incoming team the people

(26:43):
he wants to put in place holding the system to account,
which means in some cases taking the system and kind
of punching it in the face a few times, not
just saying, hey, how do you guys do things here?
How have things been this whole time? No treat things
as though they have been going off the rails and
they need to be fixed. That is critical at this juncture.

(27:07):
I mean another example I mentioned yesterday this report about
how the Memphis Police Department is so racist. I mean,
that's what the report is saying, a DOJ report. They
want to put it under a consent decree. Why do
they think the Memphis police department is so racist? Because
it arrests and then there's prosecution of too many black
individuals in Memphis. That is the reason. Okay, Now you

(27:29):
might say to yourself, hold on, are these people innocent?
So is the city of Memphis concocting these crimes or mete?
And that would be quite strange considering that more than
half of the Memphis Police Department are black men and women,
and the person who runs the Memphis Police Department is
a black woman. I think it's fair to assume that
if the black female police chief running the Memphis PDE

(27:54):
thought that her officers were faking crimes to arrest black
residents out of racism, you know, I think she would
step in and do something about that. Right. Can we
all just agree that that's likely. I think that the
rank and file police officer you know, my uncle was
a career cop. Lapd worked in a couple of other
jurisdictions as well. You know, a lot of cops are

(28:16):
great people. We have a ton of cops who listen
to this show. And without you, by the way, it
is the purge, so thank you, without you doing your jobs,
we need Daniel Pennies to step up, right. It's all connected.
All of this relates one into the other rule of law,
the way that prosecutors wield their power. Do people feel

(28:39):
safe in major urban areas where there are a lot
of people together? Do they feel safe? Yes or no?
Is the justice system fair to individuals based on conduct?
Yes or no? I mentioned Memphis Police Department, Tyrie Nichols.
Tyrie Nichols was it was horrible. Beaten to death by

(29:01):
five black cops. Seems as clear cut a case of
police brutality, which is fortunately very rare, but it is real, right,
a little bit like a shark attack in that it's
very rare, but when it happens, it's awful, right, it's
you know, it's very it's a horrible thing, but it's
rare police brutality that results in a fatality. Is it

(29:22):
is actually along the lines of by the numbers something
like you know, shark attacks or you know death by uh,
you know you're you're talking about in any given year.
About a dozen is what they estimate according to Washington Post.
So you know, do the math on that, right. But
the Tyree Nichols case where we're all the where we're

(29:43):
all the riots and then we're the all the rage. No,
it was it was the Derek Chauvin case with George
Floyd that created this, you know, this race riot revolution
across America, and with and with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck
Schumer kneeling with the Kenta cloth around their necks, and
the capital and FBI officers and cops across the country,

(30:06):
a lot of them, not all of them, kneeling in solidarity,
kneeling in solidarity. This was insane. This was insane. And
I think people have reached a point where they have
had enough of this. Not everybody, but a majority of us.
I think we see enough is enough. Equal treatment under

(30:28):
the law means equal treatment under the law. We don't
make distinctions based upon historical injustice to one group or
another when it comes to criminal conduct. And we'll see
if this is what ends up being the case in
New York City and the Daniel Penny case, and we'll

(30:48):
dive back into this. I will talk about the United
Healthcare CEO assassination coming up here. I do think it's
what's fascinating about it. There's the tactical component of it,
which is quite interesting, and then there's the political aspect
of it, which I will tell you, and I am
very rarely surprised. I have been surprised by how much

(31:09):
vitriol there is about the assassination of a helpless guy
from behind. He's a father, he's a husband, he's an American,
And if you saw the stuff online that people, I
mean a lot of people are writing, well, let's talk
about that though. Let's talk about that and why that's
a big problem. Look all right, okay, we'll say sorry.

(31:32):
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We are waiting to see if we get a verdict
in the Daniel Penny case in New York City. We've
also got some updates for you on our friend Pete
Hegsath's battle against the Democrat media and their efforts to
scuttle his nomination for the Secretary of Defense. I've known

(33:50):
Peter a long time guys. Love of his country and
particularly his love or in addition, his love of the
troops is beyond question, and I think he would do
a great job for the Trump administration. And I think
some of these senators Initially it seemed like they had

(34:10):
some problem with some of the infidelity, but no, it's
actually not that, So we moved past that. Now it's
just about drinking. And there's no evidence that he has
a drinking problem other than anonymous smear sources in the
Democrat press that wants to destroy him. So this is
where we are right. They are hoping that they can
take down Pete, and I do not think they will

(34:33):
succeed in this. I think that Pete there was a
day there when they thought that they might be able
to bully Naga World into bailing on him. We'll get
into some of this, Pete taking his case directly to
various senators and on behalf of the President himself. We'll
get there. I am still, though, amazed at this situation

(34:57):
of the United Healthcare assassination. So Brian Thompson was assassinated.
You've seen the video. It's very very clear video. I mean,
the guy's covered up so you can't see who the
shooter is in detail, but just walks up to him
right outside the Hilton in Midtown Manhattan. I know this block.

(35:18):
Very well, he's basically you've shot the guy essentially where
I turned to go and get coffee whenever I'm in
our New York City studio. So it's just eerie that
this kind of thing could happen right at Midtown Manhattan
and the guy could get away. Here's what we know
about the suspects so far. He jumped on a Greyhound

(35:38):
bus somewhere between Atlanta and New York City, arrived at
the Port Authority bus terminal, and that was ten days before.
This is all according to New York Post timeline on it.
He checked in to a hostel on the Upper West
Side and then went over to the Hilton Hotel on

(36:00):
sixth Avenue and fifty fourth Street, and then he checked
out of the youth hostel and returned in an uber
a day later, using a fake New Jersey ID and
paid in cash. The guy's got a fake ID, paying
in cash, traveling by bus from the Atlanta area, so
you know he's trying to stay off the radar. He's

(36:21):
not using credit cards, he's not going obviously, air travel
particularly requires a lot of ID and verification of who
you are. This was an interesting bit of information, he smiled,
there's a photo of him released by the NYPD where
he's smiling, and the story goes that he smiled at

(36:44):
the woman at the hostile check in desk, right, and
because she said that he was cute, he should pull
down his mask. If this guy ends up getting got
because he was flirting with the check in girl at
the hostel, that would be a remarkable turn of events.
But I go all the way back to the Bible, gentlemen,

(37:07):
plenty of guys have been done in because they thought
a girl was pretty and they made bad or you know,
a woman was pretty and they made bad decisions. This guy,
for all the care that he took to be in
the hostel and not think there might be surveillance and
to show his face, maybe he figured they wouldn't be
able to trace him back there. But he obviously jumped

(37:28):
on the city bike because that was a quick mode
of transportation to get away from the scene of the assassination.
He it seems now and I saw there there's some
excellent people out there who have tremendous tactical proficiency from
real life situations, whether they're different members of special operations community.

(37:53):
Won the Sheriff of Baghdad as his moniker phenomenal story.
He did a long sit down on the Sean Ryan
podcast Shawn Ryan's a friend does an amazing podcast and
talked about his time in Delta Force and or the
Unit as it is often called. And he's a guy
who knows about handguns and firearms as well as absolutely anybody.

(38:16):
He thinks not a pro. He thinks that because of
the twenty two ammunition used as SUBSOB subsonic ammunition, that
it wouldn't it wouldn't cycle the weapon properly. So that's
why this guy had to cycle the weapon manually a
couple of times after the first shot. But he thought
this through. I mean, I remember for my time in
the CIA when we would learn about particularly learn about

(38:39):
some of the KGB assassinations. And you know, this is
just intel, world history and lore. You know, in movies,
guys carry desert eagles and that's supposed to scare you know,
desert eagle fifty cal handgun, that's supposed to scare everybody.
The guys you want to be scared of are those
who know that you want to have a twenty two
and you're going to do a contact shot to the
back of ahead, which you can't miss and which has

(39:02):
a ninety nine percent fatality shot and is going to
be very quiet. Right, that's how people who actually do this,
That's how real assassins operate. So he thinks that this
meaning the sheriff of Bagdad. He thinks that this is
not that's his nickname, by the way, that this is
not a professional professional. This was a guy hired, but

(39:24):
not somebody who had extensive training obviously had a silencer
on the weapon. Oh, that reminds me. Stop sending me
emails telling me it's not a silencer. These terms are
used interchangeably. I own a silencer. I use silencers at
the range all the time. Silencer was the original term.
Now people say they use They prefer suppressor because it

(39:44):
is technically a little more accurate about the function that
it provides for the weapon. But you're going to have
to go talk to the biggest suppressor sales outfits in
the country like Silencer Co Silencer Shop and tell them
to change their names. Good luck with that. You're also
going to have to change Federal Criminal Code which refers
to silencers specifically, and the ATF announcements about finding illegal

(40:07):
silencers when they make arrest. So please, I get it.
We get all these VIP emails, you know, everybody. It's amazing,
you know, and they never come from like like the
actual spec ops. Guys leave me alone on this stuff
because they know that I know more than ninety nine
percent of the people who are talking about this in
the general media, and so they're like, yeah, like they
know more than me, but they're not going to be
nitpicking on this stuff. But I get some of the

(40:29):
other some of this, like, oh, it's not a silencer.
People say silencer. It's okay, This isn't some politicized term.
It was originally silencer. You know, Moms Against Guns or
whatever that group is didn't come up with this. It's
not it's not like assault rifle or something. It was silencer.
People say suppressor interchangeably. So please, We've got like so many,
I've got so many emails and comments about this. Please

(40:51):
I get it. Okay, So he fired with a silencer
and you know, he shot this guy killed him. And
what's been shot to me is how much support there
has been online for a heinous murder from lunatics out
there because this guy runs a or formerly ran a

(41:14):
large Healthcare. This is a human being. He was murdering
cold blood from behind. There's nothing there's nothing about this
that isn't heinous. And you want to say, oh, well,
United Healthcare, I've seen all this stuff. United Healthcare denies,
you know, thirty percent of claims. Do you think that
this guy is sitting there being the one who actually
denies all these individual claims. It's a massive entity. And

(41:38):
even if he was that guy, that doesn't mean it
is even vaguely in the realm of ethical or moral
to commit a heinous, premeditated murder. The stuff you're seeing online,
it's kind of mind blowing, and it's it's troubling. Some
of it is on the right too. People are all
these healthcare companies. I mean, there's a whole lot of

(41:59):
discussion we could have about about this, but one thing
to say is we this is like how our debt
has gotten so big? We the American people, Well, put
a pause in that for a second. This is what
Trump does. I'm weaving. I'm weaving. Okay, I'm weaving. We
the American people have been forced into a far more

(42:19):
opaque healthcare pricing and much higher health care pricing system
because of Obamacare. All right. The whole thing with Obamacare
is everyone's covered now. But guess what, you're actually just
subsidizing people who are takers from the system more even
than before. So that's made things worse. But also our
our health insurance system, not our health care system, per se.

(42:41):
Our health insurance system isn't really insurance, and this is important.
It isn't really insurance. It is a very complicated redistribution
mechanism with all kinds of regulations and incentives and you know,
so sketchy, underhanded stuff going on about what the price

(43:03):
is when you go through this versus the price when
you go throughout that. There's no price transparency and it's
all because politicians tell people. This goes to Bastia with
the Law French political theorist highly recommend you go check
him out, nineteenth century. I believe the Law is a
great short read, great read. The fiction that you can

(43:27):
benefit at the expense of everybody else. Things will be
free for you, everybody else will pay. That is essentially
our whole health insurance industry in a nutshell, it's gonna
be twenty bucks. It's just a copay. It's just a copey.
You're gonna get world class care, and it's never gonna
be more than that. This is lies, it doesn't work,
and it's getting more and more expensive. We have to

(43:51):
have a whole rethink. One of the things I'm excited
about is the possibility of RFK Junior doing some great
stuff for MAHA, make America healthy again. But to take
a real look at our healthcare system, look outcomes in healthcare. Rather,
the quality of the healthcare we get is very good.
You would much rather be quite sick in America than

(44:12):
quite sick in Canada in terms of the level of
care you're going to get on average. And that's comparing
us to Canada, never mind a lot of other countries
you could go to. But it's really all just a
fig leaf over socialism. And that's what the health insurance
industry has become, which is why it is so vast
and so on will be and it doesn't make sense,

(44:33):
and people are and the incentive structure is for them
to figure out ways, meaning the health care industry, the
people that run these our health insurance Sorry I keep
doing that, health insurance industry, people that run places like
United Healthcare. They say they got to protect the pool,
which just means they can't pay everything because then there
won't be any money for everybody else. So they try

(44:55):
to create these cost savings within the system. And the
system has no incentive. Now, this is the healthcare system itself,
to become more efficient, to become better at delivering care, right,
what is it? The incentive is just to get as
many people in the pool as possible and then to

(45:17):
find as many ways as possible to reduce your expenditures
for that pool. The incentives are all screwed up. Now,
that's all true, but that also doesn't mean that some
guy who gets shot walking down the street represents anything
other than a heinous capital murder. And the stuff that
I'm seeing online from people, it's just nuts. It's just nuts. Yeah,

(45:41):
I know, United Healthcare, there's all that everyone has. I
have stories being denied care for this, denied coverage for that.
You know. I was supposed to have a total ankle
reconstruction effectively, I mean like a really serious and because
I'd messed my ankle up so much from playing sports
over the years, and I didn't do it. You know why,
because they told me that it could. This is when
I had about one thousand dollars in the bank, and

(46:02):
my insurance said that the cost could be anywhere from
two to fifty thousand dollars. So I'm like, you're telling me,
I get to do this and it's either expensive or
I just go totally bankrupt. Can we figure out whether
that's going to be? This was like over a decade ago,
but can we figure out what? We all have this stuff?
But it's because fundamentally, when you try to change this
and you try to create market incentives and you try

(46:25):
to give cost transparency, there are huge bloated systems that
don't want that. The hospital systems all. When you see
how hospitals do their billing, there's all these perverse incentives.
And then when a when it comes to politicians, they
just go single payer, or it should all be free,
or it's all they're all just promising you a free lunch,

(46:47):
and they all lie. And that's what really has happened here.
So there's this whole we're not even really talking about
healthcare very much these days. We should be. But when
I saw the response to this assassination of this guy
Thompson right on the streets of New York City, and
then everyone just starts jumping in with really nasty stuff

(47:07):
about well, you know, I don't want to say it
on the air, but I mean you can imagine you
could see yourself. It's all over the internet. What is
wrong with everybody? This guy was murdered and the people
who are saying this, for all they know, he could
be trying to change the culture of United Healthcare so
that they actually, you know, start being better about not
denying claims. I'm not saying that happen, but they don't
know either, the people saying this, So we don't have

(47:31):
any sense of motive really, other than the bullets were
found with what was it, deny and delay on them?
Something like that. I'm trying to find the words. I've
actually lost my place in my notes here. But which
is why everyone's thinking about this is somehow related, But
maybe that's also a cover up for something else, right,

(47:52):
because people are going to jump to this conclusion as
they have that this has to do with the reputation
of United and it does have the worst. United Healthcare
has the worst reputation for denying legitimate claims, which is
a horrible thing to do, and it happens a lot.
And until we fix the whole system. This doesn't get fixed.

(48:13):
All right, we'll take your calls on this. By the way,
if you have some ideas about this. We're not taking
calls that say silencer versus suppressor. Already this is dealt
with water under the bridge. I love you, but we've
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And we will continue to bring you all of the
latest and greatest and craziest and everything else here at home,
in this country and abroad. So one one note for
all of you. It looks like right now it's not
a done deal, but it's looking good. For our friend
Pete heg Seth, Donald Trump put out this on Truth

(50:11):
Social and now it makes its way to X very rapidly,
he wrote. Pete hegg Seth is doing very well. His
support is strong and deep. Much more so than the
fake news. What have you believe? He was a great
student Princeton, Harvard educated with a military state of mind.
He will be a fantastic, high energy Secretary of Defense

(50:32):
who leads with charisma and skill. Pete is a winner
and there is nothing that can be done to change that.
So it's looking like Pete not only has the backing
of continued backing, I should say, of Trump fully for this,
but also the noise you were hearing in the Senate

(50:53):
is dying down from a few of them, from a
handful that's dying down. And I think that there's been
a recognition that, look, they're not going to hold him
to a standard of because it's viewed as irrelevant i
think by a lot of people to his ability to
do this job. You know, he's had some challenges in

(51:14):
his personal life in terms of marriages there that's not
the issue. That's not at issue. And the drinking thing
seems to just be innuendo and smear because there's no evidence,
there's no anything other than the New York Times Meghan
stuff up. And then you look at his resume and
you look at what he represents and what he wants
to accomplish and how he in many ways embodies the

(51:35):
will of MAGA and the MAGA Party faithful when it
comes to dealing with the Pentagon and reshaping it into
a war fighting machine and not a dei social experimenting,
you know, mess, which is increasingly what I hear from. Look.
I never served, spent a lot of time around the

(51:56):
military when I was in the CIA, in both the
Rock and Afghanistan, obviously, but from what I hear from
friends of mine who have served or are serving still
is there's a big course correction that is needed from
some of the day to day management and ethos and
focus of the most formidable war fighting machine in the

(52:20):
history of the world, which is what the United States
military is. And I think if nothing else, PETE will
be a reminder from the top down for all of
the men and women who serve of that that is,
this is the Defense Department, but it is to create
a formidable military capacity to defend the United States, its people,

(52:43):
and its interests against any and all enemies. It's not
about you know what kind of like transgender ideology can
we inflict on the troops today, And there's been too
much of that, and it's nonsense, and I think there's
a recognition of that. Pete took the fight to some

(53:05):
of the gaggle that has been following him around Capitol Hill.
As he's making his case to various senators here, he
is just telling them to their faces, I'm not subject
to your whims. This is about Donald Trump. This is
about Donald Trump's voters. This is about the United States Senate,
and that's what's going on here. Play cut one. I'm

(53:26):
proud of what I fought for.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I'm not going to back down from them one bit.
I will answer all of these senators questions, but this
will not be.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
A process tried in the media.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I don't answer to anyone in this group, none of you,
not to that camera at all. I answered to President Trump,
who received seventy six million votes on behalf and a
mandate for change. I answer to the fifty the one
hundred senators who are a part of this process, and
those in the committee, and answer to my Lord and
Savior and my wife and my family. I'm proud to

(53:56):
be here, and as long as Donald Trump wants me
in this fight, I'm going to be staying right here
in this fight, fighting to bring our Pentagon back to
what it needs to be.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
There. You have it. He's staying in this fight. Trump
has his back. They've thrown they've done their worst, you know,
in the media to tear him down, and to remember
it's not only just blocking his nomination, it's also to
try to send a message to anyone else who would
have the temerity to want to stand with Trump in
this new administration, will destroy you if we can too, right,

(54:29):
there's always the message that is sent. It's not just
the one village they burned down. It's what the villagers
nearby think of it when a village gets burned out,
and that's what they're trying to do to Pete heg Seth.
I'd also note that another friend of the program here
Bridge Colby, who had been on the Trump Pentagon before,

(54:50):
had been at DoD at a senior level. He was
a deputy assistant secretary. I believe he or he is
coming out vociferously in support of and defense of putting
his im premature on Pete HeiG Seth as Secretary of Defense.
Our friend, Bridge Colby, this has cut too.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
Pete Hegseth's been out there in the Senate making the
case as well as on media, got a lot of
allies coming out for him, vouching for him. I think
my view is that, frankly, the President of the United
States deserves a presumption that the people that he nominates,
you know, should be should be those the ones who
serve in those positions. I mean, I think we talked

(55:30):
a little bit earlier. You know, what do these this
pick mean or that pick mean. I think this is
Donald Trump's agenda. It's putting Americans first, it's ending the
forever wars. As he said, I don't start wars, I
stop them. So I think that's the way I look
at it in terms of, you know, how the Senate's
going to react. You know, that's obviously sort of unpredictable.
But I think Pete and others are making a very
strong case for why he'd be an excellent secretary of Defense.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I think Bridge gets it, and I think it's a
show of a clear show of support for Pete. And
I'll just throw this out there. Pete Hegseth, Secretary of Defense,
Bridge Colby, Deputy Secretary of Defense, has a nice ring
to it, doesn't it. You know, kind of a Batman
and Robin situation going on.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
There.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
I think this would be a really excellent team, and
I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has
had this cross their minds. You get Pete at the top,
he's kind of the leader, cracking skulls, making sure that
the overall ethos and the warfighter agenda is being put
in absolute focus, and then bridge handling some of the

(56:38):
some of the day to day and an implementation component
and some of the behind the scenes strategizing. I think
it will be a very powerful team, and I think
I would hope the Trump team is fully aware of
how that would look, how that could work out. So
I'm just throwing it out there. I think that would
make a lot of sense. And I'm happy to see,

(56:58):
happy to see that Pete has been able to fight
through the ambush. You know, I remember in the agency
they always told us the one thing and one concern
we always had, just even from movements, not only in
war zones, but in places where any agency personnel, especially
if they think they know who you are, you're a target,

(57:21):
is ambush. Right. That's where it's when you're moving, you're
in a vehicle, that's when you can be particularly vulnerable.
And so they would just say, get off the X right,
just move and fight through. The worst thing you can
do in an ambush is sit there and hope they
run out of ammunition. Sit there and hope that the

(57:42):
cavalry comes over the hill. You move, you fight back,
and you move some more, and you keep going. And
that is what Pete has done here. So that's true
in the military if you're in a convoy, true in
the CIA, if you're in a civilian vehicle and some
lunatics are trying to light you up with coalition of coughs.
So yeah, I'm happy to see that Pete. I think

(58:03):
he's I think he's good to go. Now, there was
a day or two there where they were they were remembered.
This was Republican senators and who were the problem. I mean, Biden,
you got to remember this, and I know many of
you do, but I just I think it's worth putting
out there again. Biden had had a fifty to fifty
Senate and really got everybody that he wanted, you know,

(58:27):
everybody that he wanted through, and you say to yourself,
we'll hold on. So that's that's the way it goes
for them. But then our team has a fifty three
forty seven, and we're supposed to just say, you know
what I mean, you know, the incoming team has it
as a fifty three forty seven, and we're gonna back

(58:48):
down to this stuff. We're going to take this and
try to in any way appease One thing I am
certain of, and I know all of you are as well.
Appease these radical Democrats is always a losing strategy. It
is just feeding the crocodile and hoping it eats you last.

(59:08):
That is the game with them all the time. They
are not ever going to say, you know what, your
good faith on this issue should be rewarded with good
faith from our side. No, they view good faith as weakness,
as encouragement to more force, to more pressure we got.

(59:29):
And I look they very clearly. This played out with
the Matt Gaate situation, a lot of pressure there. I
think Matchs was like, look, would he have made it
through if he went all the way to the Senate?
You know maybe? And that's I thought this guy should
have his day. He should be able to explain why.
But I think he's just like, look, it's a distraction
for Trump. There's too much noise. And then the Democrats

(59:52):
take that as oh, okay, on to the next one.
And I firmly believe that if they were able to
stop the Pete Hegseth nomination to secon Atary of Defense, uh,
they would have gone on next. I think the next
one would be uh RFK Junior. I think that's the
one that you know that he could rattle enough cages

(01:00:14):
and cause enough angst among the bureaucracy. You know, they're
not gonna be able to stop elon or or or
Vivate because they don't need confirmation, right So, like you know,
and now that they could stop either of them anyway,
so they're they're not gonna be a problem for them.
You look at some of the other ones, I mean,

(01:00:34):
Marco Rubio, long long standing Republican senator, a lot of
foreign policy credits. They're not going to stop him, obviously
from being Secretary of State. You know, you go down
the list and you see some of the other options here,
and I do think it's clear RFK Junior was going
to be next on their on their list. I've been
a little surprised at how much they have just completely

(01:00:57):
waved through the DHS NOME nomination meeting. The Democrat media
is like yeah fine, I'm like, oh, okay, well all right.
I mean there you go, so good news. Nonetheless, for
for Pete, hegseth here with with what's being laid out
and and really, you know, I think that this also
goes to a general uh principal guiding. Uh what's what's

(01:01:25):
the word? Guy? I kind of a load star if
you will. Is that the right term? Uh? It's about results.
It's about what you do in the job. You know,
the old days when Democrats would try to find something
and remember they didn't they go after Judge Bork with

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the they like went after his videotape rentals or saw that.
I mean, I mean just like totally just whatever they
could do to you, this guy's ichy or bad. Like
I said, they used to. They used to get nominees
derailed because they had had a domestic employee, you know,
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an illegal That used to be something. Oh I look
at this, you know now not illegal, it's undocumented. You know,
I feel like, how could they do that anymore? You know,
better than Americans undocumented better than we the American people
work harder and more law abiding all the stuff that
Democrats say, so they've made that a little bit. I
know that that's not true, but just put that aside.

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They they take that approach on these things. So my
update for you on on the Hexat Secretary Defense story
is that it looks like there has been a consolidation,
a doubling down, and like I said, he's fought through
the ambush and I think he's going to be the
next Secretary of Defense and I wish Pete all the
best in this role. I know he'll do a great job,

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and I invited him to come on the show. He
hasn't come back to me with if he would or could.
As soon as I hear from him, we'll see if
we can get him to come and speak to us
about this. But even that, I think he's lined up
the Senate votes that he needs right now. He might
just want to let you know he's won the battle.
He might want to wait till he Secretary of Defense
before he comes to talk to us, and that will
be fine. I totally totally appreciate and respect that. You know,

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they're gonna go after a buddy cash some more. Now, Actually,
you know what, I think that's I should I should
have thought of that. I just view Cash as such
a clear and obvious choice and have all along that
I got to remember from the other side, from the
enemy camp, Cash is a problem. They're gonna have a
tougher time that with him, because you know, federal prosecutor

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worked at the d He's worked with Devin Newness in
the House Intelligence Committee. I mean, he's definitely got their
resume for it. And you know, I don't know they're
gonna come up with you know, gosh, but tell I
heard I heard that he did shots of tequila at
a toga party in college. You know, I don't know
what they think they're gonna be able to pull off
with him, But I don't know. I think it's very

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unlikely they'll be able to derail him. One other note,
I just you notice some of these picks. You have
the daik Ramaswami Hindu, Indian American, Cash Patel, Indian American
U Tulsi Gabbard is I think is she is she
part Hawaiian native? I an'tyway. My point is just you know,

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none of that diversity counts at all to the media
right now that hates Trump. It's there's never like, Wow,
the first you know Indian American net Nope, nope, nope,
doesn't count. If you're right wing, it doesn't count. All
of a sudden, it's uh, that's off the list. Uh.
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