Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Dec 19 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome it everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck, just
a couple of days before Christmas Week. Very exciting for
all of us out there who celebrate, and happy holidays
to everyone. We've got big news today. I was thinking
that it might be a bit of a lull, and

(00:20):
then the CR turned into quite a battle. The Continuing Resolution,
Iev john What are they calling it? The cramnibus? I
think bill, so there could be an omnibus bill. Whi's
a fancy way of saying, spend everything you can possibly
imagine and make us go even deeper into debt. The
cramnibus is because they're trying to cram this thing through

(00:43):
at the very end. But it turns out that Elong
and Trump and others and Vivek have decided that this
is unacceptable. And the more people find out about what
is in this Continuing Resolution, the more pressure there is
on Speaker Johnson to do something about it. Now, keep

(01:03):
in mind, the House is just we all know how
our system works. The House is one tier. Also has
to go through the Senate. Also would have to be
signed by President Biden, who have to I feel like Clay,
do you feel listening too? I have to remind myself
that he is still the president. I'm astrett ready to
start just saying, oh, you know, President Trump is going
to deal with this as though it's already happened, but

(01:25):
Joe Biden is still technically the president, Which brings me
to the story the Wall Street Journal has where now
it is safe to discuss that everybody knew we had
to mention the whole time around him, and they were
hiding the whole thing, and you know, we should play
We should definitely talk about that as well, all of
the signs. Yes, sir, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Just gonna say, we told everybody these stories would be
coming out about Biden. We told And I'll just say
we'll get into the Fanny Willis stuff. We are on
a run between the two of us, because sometimes we've
been on opposite sides of things, but we're on a
run of almost flawless predictive power here as we finish

(02:04):
off twenty twenty four, almost everything we've told you guys
was gonna happen has happened.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
The Biden pardon of Hunter, Fannie Willis qualification. I will
just throw this out there. You know, there's a lot
of people that are doing political online betting these days
Clay and Buck were united on an issue that is
a prediction. I would wager we've got a ninety to
ninety five percent accuracy right on this show.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm just what have we gotten this year? You know,
it's this is your last show of the year, so
something to think about during the course of today. I'm
tomorrow and then look, we've got specials that are going
to be out there that haven't been a great guest
host Monday.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I mean, the show is going to be great next week.
I got a great guest host, Brett Winterbules coming in
next week. We're doing a Christmas Eve special. That's it's
not just like ah, like you're not going to be
listening to us, you know, talk about Election Night or something.
It's fresh content, cool stuff that's meant for you to
listen to. So we want to be clear. The show
is on next week, and the show is going to
be great next week.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I was just gonna say, what have we gotten wrong?
I mean, I'll give you guys out there an opportunity
to weigh in in twenty twenty four this calendar year.
What have both of us gotten wrong?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, look, I've lost price picks, picks, I've lost
gambling picks. But I mean, like in terms of big
seismic issues out there, I can't think of anything that
we have gotten wrong in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'm open eight A two. I'm sure some of the
mbudsmen that we have in this beloved audience will find something.
But yes, generally we've been spot on. So we're taking
a little victory lap here. Spot on that Trump would
win the election, spot on that Joe Biden would part
a Hunter Byden. Now I know that was an obvious prediction,
but not everybody, the Democrats, Isn't it amazing? They were surprised.

(03:48):
They were truly surprised.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
And even on the betting markets, buck you could have
gotten three to one on Hunter Biden being pardoned by
Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
And I also want to remind everybody for next week
we've got Brian Mudd, Mark Simone, Sean Parnell, all great
guest hosts joining us as well, so it's going to
be an awesome show. But Clay and I, you know,
we need to retire with the families and put some
things on the Christmas tree, et cetera. We haven't even
gotten to what I think for today. I don't know.

(04:18):
It depends on how this cr goes. Are they really
changing things or is this just a lot of pushback
that will fade, just as the swamp hopes it will
right before the election. But the big thing today, Clay
and we were texting about this one right away, is
that the Appeals Court in and Georgia has removed Fulton

(04:43):
County District Attorney Fannie Willis from the election interference prosecution
of Trump. I believe also this covers her whole team, Clay,
So they've pulled everybody who has been running this case
against Trump and fourteen defendants. The whole thing was a mess.
The whole thing was a disaster. Court of Appeals looked

(05:05):
at this and said, you, Fannie Willis are disqualified. Keep
in mind, this is disqualified because of her conduct. It
was a two to one decision kind of note. I
believe both or all three of these judges play were
Republican appointees. I want to know who that one judges.
I thought that this was okay, but they said that

(05:28):
the lower court aired it's a big deal. I want
to hand this to you because I know you're fired up.
You called this one This is one where we both
agreed there's no way she's going to be able to
continue on with this for the long run. So what's
your big takeaway other than Trump is not tired of winning.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
This case is over. Is the big takeaway in Atlanta.
And I understand some of you have gotten confused because
it has been complicated. This was a state case, Georgia,
state case brought in Fulton County, which is where Atlanta
is located in Georgia. And I flagged a couple reading
the appeals court ruling, which we talked about this for

(06:06):
a while. I told you that this was the result
I was expecting. But here's what the court said. They said,
while we recognize an appearance of impropriety generally is not
enough to support disqualification, this is the rare case in
which disqualification is mandated, and no other remedy will suffice

(06:28):
to restore public confidence in the integrity of these proceedings.
So they also, as we conclude, I'm reading from the
court case, as we conclude that the elected district attorney
is wholly disqualified from this case. The assistant district attorneys,
whose only power to prosecute a case is derived from
the constitutional authority of the district attorney you appointed them

(06:51):
have no authority to proceed either. So in Layman's terms,
not only is Fanny Willis disqualified, anyone who works in
the Atlanta that's Fulton County DA's office is also disqualified,
meaning this case cannot occur in Fulton County. Now, Buck,
given that Donald Trump won almost all the counties in

(07:15):
Georgia outside of Fulton County, and I don't know if
our team can look up how many counties Fanny Willis
actually won, the odds of this case going anywhere in
a different county are virtually zero. So South Florida is over.
That was the classified documents case. DC is over. That

(07:36):
was the Jan sixth related case. Atlanta is effectively over.
That was the Georgia election interference racketeering case. The only
one of these cases left, Buck, is the one that
Judge Mrchand refused to toss the bookkeeping felonies, which I
believe will be reversed eventually on appeal. Down the line,

(07:59):
Trump has won an impressive series of victories here. He
has utterly defeated the lawfare and lots of people out
there told you that he was going to lose all
these cases. We have consistently talked about this with you
for years and pretty much nailed exactly what was going
to happen in these cases.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, we knew New York was rough, just because of
the New York jury. And isn't that amazing that the case,
the only one where they got a conviction and where
it was clear that Trump was in the most legal
jeopardy all along, was by far the weakest and most
absurd case. And absurd is the right word for it.
You know, sometimes people will overstate these things when they

(08:40):
don't like a prosecution or they don't like a jury decision.
It is, what they did to Donald Trump in New
York City is absurd, and it's it's deeply wrong. But
the one where they had the best chance of the
conviction and got one was the weakest possible case. The
federal cases have completely fallen apart. Now the Lea District

(09:00):
Attorney case has fallen apart. That's another state case. I
do not think they're going to resurrect this. I also
have to look and see what the statute limitations would be,
meaning I don't know that they could try to bring this.
I have to see what that would mean. Could they
even consider bringing this again after Trump's term? I don't
think so. And I mean, at that point, how insane
are they really going to be? Never count out that

(09:21):
Democrats can be crazier than you think, though I'm aware
of that. But Clay, it's a great run of victories
for Donald Trump in addition to the election. Right, this
is the thing. Yeah, I mean, I think the Hunter
Biden pardon in a sense was a victory because Trump
and everybody who all of you, we all knew and
they had to just finally admit that Biden, Joe Biden,

(09:44):
is a liar, just the worst kind of liar. And
in addition to the lawfair wins, which you aptly laid out,
now they're admitting, meaning Biden people are coming out to
speak about this big store in the Wall Street Journal
that they were hiding by all along the presidents. This
is from the Wall Street Journal piece, Clay. The president's

(10:06):
slide had been hard to overlook. While preparing last year
for his interview with Robert K. Hurr, the special counsel
who investigated Biden's handling of classified documents, the president couldn't
recall lines that his team had discussed with him at events,
aids often repeated instructions to him, such as where to

(10:26):
enter or exit a stage, that would have been obvious
to the average person. I mean it goes on and on.
So everything we've talked about he had dementia, and the
people in the White House hit it.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
They I don't know when these people are all going
to tell their stories, but they specifically mentioned two aids
in this story that basically just exists to walk Biden
around to your point and make sure he knows how
to get on a stage and how to get off
a stage. And they said, no one has ever seen

(10:56):
this happen with White House aids. You know this, and
probably a lot of people who watch and pay attention.
There are lots of age. Usually they're all walking around
on their cell phones, taking calls, managing the apparatus of
business and the president's schedule. The fact that he basically
had two women that existed as his handlers to try

(11:16):
to make sure that he didn't get lost and look ridiculous,
is really crazy, they said on the recent trip to Africa,
in addition to falling asleep during a meeting, and can
we just point out, look, I just got back from Israel.
It's hard to travel long distances and be really effective.
Many of you out there know this, even when you're

(11:38):
relatively young and healthy. The idea that they put Biden
on a plane to fly him all the way to
Africa for three d three days is reckless. They also
send him down to the rainforest in Brazil, to the Amazon.
But in that article they said he visited a slave
museum in I think it was Angola, right was the
country he visited, and they brought objects from the museum

(12:01):
out for him to be able to see because they
didn't think he could walk the stairs and go into
the museum.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's clay I read that. I mean, this is awful.
I mean we've gotten a numb to the awfulness because
we've seen this for four years. I love me. We're
talking about predictions before back in twenty twenty during the
Democrat primary. On my show Play before we teamed up,
I was just I said, there's no way it can
be Biden. Guys, that guy, he's got dementia. This is crazy,
and we all know what happened. Somehow they hit him,

(12:30):
COVID everything else. But this wasn't some secret. Everybody knew
and the part I think that's so damning in the
Wall Street Journal speaking to Biden, aids. That's why this
is different. Everyone right now, the Biden White House people
can come clean now. They knew this from the beginning.
They knew that it was hard for people who needed

(12:50):
immediate access to Biden during the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal to
get access to him. The people that absolutely needed to
talk to him during that disaster, Oh it was Biden's
nap time.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Sorry, and we'll talk more about this because I think
it really matters in a major way. It was a
recklessness that we have never seen before. They still tried
to run him. I mean, that's the part that is
staggering to me. Even knowing all of this, These people

(13:25):
were so desperate to retain their position and status with
the levers of power that they were willing to run
a dementia patient. And again, to your point, the biggest
decision of twenty twenty four, if they hadn't trotted him
out on June twenty seventh, they would have kept him
as the nominee all the way through the election. If

(13:47):
he had just not been an unmitigated disaster on June
twenty seventh, they were prepared to run him even though
this story The Wall Street Journal said they talked to
fifty people in and around the White House surrounding Biden.
I think the stories are just now beginning to come out,
and I think there's going to be some shocking, unbelievable,
terrifying things that were actually happening behind scenes too.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
It was a fraud, that's the real takeaway. It wasn't
a surprise after the disastrous debate. They were actively hiding,
taking measures to make sure that they could keep going
with this lie. Is this huge scandal. I mean, I know,
on the one hand, right Clay, we're excited with Trump
what's going on right now, but let's not let go

(14:32):
what the Democrats did. I mean, this is also why
CNN's ratings have been cut in half. I mean, these
people are all such cowards, all such frauds.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's the biggest lie that has been perpetrated against us,
the American people relating to the president. I think in
any of our lives, I don't think we've ever seen
anything like this. Holidays should be a time of hope
and peace for all of us, those in Israel ongoing
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(15:21):
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Speaker 1 (16:16):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Book Ricina. We
can track down incoming White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt
to talk about the big news today. Very busy. I
understand if I was talking to some of the Trump
team this morning, Clay, and every time they answer the
phone like it sounds like they're in the situation room
right now. You know, they've got a lot of stuff
going on. And I appreciate that, not only because the

(16:37):
big news out of out of Atlanta today, but also
with this fight over the cr the continuing resolution and
the GOP that the big headline here on this is
that they're they're quote scrambling. This is, according to New
York Times, scrambling to a vert a shutdown because Trump Elon,

(17:02):
you know, maybe we put like a little hyphen between it.
Trump Elon have decided that this is completely unacceptable. I
just wanted to throw some things out there for what
is in this, Clay, did you see some of this?
Representative Nancy Mace had some very good tidbits from this
fifteen hundred and forty seven page bill. You forget using

(17:28):
this as a doorstop, you could use this as a
vehicle barrier. I mean, this is insane. It is massive,
and they did this the part of this clay. Before
I'll get into details, I know you want to jump,
I just want to say the part of this that
is so maddening is that this was all written by
special interest lobbyists and the swamp held and dropped so

(17:50):
that it would have no so that there's no choice.
You know what I mean. This is this is the
sorry you know your house is gonna burn down, here's
the only insurance plan we can offer you because it's
already on fire.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, and nobody actually reads these things. That's where I
think it's really disappointing is the time and the race
is clearly to try to avoid anybody being able to
see what's actually in it. And I mean both politicians,
I mean media. In theory, this should be the job
of media, but they're also trying to box out media

(18:26):
from having time to in any way check and see
what's actually in there.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
And you know you made this point before the show.
I think it's very worthwhile to share with everyone the
technology because of AI. Now, because of artificial intelligence, the
technology is out there to get through fifteen hundred pages
and I know you could do control F and no, no,
but this is a different level. You can go through

(18:51):
it and summarize, well, anything that has to do with
anything you're looking So finally, everything in the fifteen hundred
page bill on health care and put it in plane
language so I can understand it. You can type that
into AI and it will do it and it's good
and it's accurate. Right, I mean, that's where this And
I'm so glad people like Elon because AI was going

(19:12):
I think to a very and it's still there's a
lot going on there that we have to keep an
eye on, but it was going to a sort of
dark place. It's dangerous place with like what we saw
was some some of the early AI entries that we
were seeing out there of very left wing. Let's just
put it out. It's very left wing stuff, so they
know how powerful it will be. But oh, we got Caroline,

(19:33):
all right, Caroline, we got big news today, Caroline Levit
incoming White House Press secrety. By the way, Merry Christmas,
and congratulations on the fantastic we were We're not saying
we're responsible for it. The big guy made the choice,
but we did think it was gonna happen. So congrats
on that, Caroline. And speaking about the big guy, the
President Trump had some pretty I would say, good and

(19:57):
just news this morning with Atlanta. Let's start with that
and we'll go back to the cr What should people
know about the Appeals court decision?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
It is a huge win for President Trump and also
for our entire country. These witch hunt cases are now
dead and Fanny Willis has been disqualified rightfully. So there
were clear violations of ethical standards, potentially breaking of the
law by Fanny Willis, and so this is a huge

(20:28):
win for the President and once again proves he has
been right all along about these cases that were manufactured
by the Democrat parties, supported by the Biden Whitehouse and
the Biden DOJ and specifically targeted at him to try
to derail his chances of winning the election on November fifth,
The ultimate victory came on election day because the American

(20:48):
people have seen these chom cases for what they are
since the very beginning. But it is great news to
have it written on paper. This case is over, just
like the rest of them. President Trump is focused on
governing and making this country great again.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Now, Caroline seven hundred thousand dollars roughly that Fanny Willis
paid her lover, Nathan Wade, to investigate the president, and
that is why the Georgia Court of Appeals has said
she is not and nor is anybody else in the
District Attorney's office able to prosecute this case. Do you
think this case should be investigated now? As Fanny willis

(21:25):
engaging in criminal behavior, should there be a next step there?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
In your mind?

Speaker 5 (21:31):
I will let the President speak on that. I mean,
my inclination would be yes. And as President Trump has
said repeatedly, if people have broken the laws, then we
need to be a country of law and order and
people need to be prosecuted and held accountable for that.
And it does appear in this case there was at least,
at the very least massive ethical violations in this case,

(21:57):
and certainly the American people of justice and accountability, and
Fanny Willis made it very clear even when she was
on the stand taken questioning earlier in the year about
this case, she should not be prosecuting anything or anyone.
She has a lot of personal issues that I think

(22:17):
disqualify heard from being a standard bearer of justice in
this country.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Speaking of Caroline Levitt, the incoming White House Press Secretary,
and Caroline, I wanted to get you to weigh in
with what we see going on on Capitol Hill, all
the negotiations, seems like from the news coverage of it.
President Trump, along with some of his top advisors on
this issue, people like oh well, Dosee, of course, Elon

(22:43):
and vivek Ramaswami, have looked at some of the pork
and the mess that is in this last minute Kremnibus
bill and said, hold on a second, what can you
tell us about where you think this is going, the
President's view of it, and what we should be prepared for.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
There's a lot of moving parts to this right now.
Senator Vance is currently on Capitol Hill. Negotiations are ongoing,
so I don't want to get ahead of the president,
but I will echo some of the sentiments he shared
this morning with members of the media, which is that
this cr was a disaster. It was filled with pork.
It was millions and millions of dollars for Democrat Party

(23:24):
special projects and giveaways that the American people do not deserve.
They just voted to re elect President Trump because they
believe in his promise to cut bureaucracy and government waste.
And so it looks like the bill is dead thanks
to President Trump's lobbying efforts and once again proving he
is the clear, unequivocal leader of the Republican Party. And

(23:45):
so now we're back to the negotiating table and the
President I believe that the debt cealing issue must be
addressed in one way or another before he takes office
in January twenty twenty five. Again, the American people elected
Presidential to implement the policies he campaigned on and promise them.
That's why he won with a resounding mandate. Congress needs

(24:07):
to get its act together to negotiate these issues before them. Now,
get them done before President Trump is morn in, so
the President and everyone on Capitol Hill can hit the
ground running delivering on the promises that the American people
want President Trump to deliver on, like border security, tackling inflations,
energy independence, and ending the wars abroad.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
We're talking to Caroline Levitt, the next White House Press Secretary.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
All right, these are big stories.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Fanny Willis certainly what's going on with the bill that
would set sort of the budget. But here's an important question.
You're a new mom. You are going to be moving
to Washington, d C. What is it like to be
preparing to take a brand new government to Washington, DC
while having a newborn and having to find a place

(24:53):
to live. Like I'm actually just genuinely curious. Do you
go to d C? Do you have any idea where
you're going to live? What's that process? Because there's lots
of people like you who are going through their own
personal life challenges while they're serving the country.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yeah, it's a challenging time. It's a busy time, it's
an exciting time. I'm so excited to get to work,
so honored that President Trump chose me to be his
Press secretary. I'm really looking forward to getting to work.
On day one, I am moving down there. Baby is
coming with me. He's going to be a city boy,
whether he knows it or likes it or not. We

(25:29):
found a safe place to live, which I'm grateful for,
and so it's going to be a new family adventure
and I'm looking forward to it very much. I've gotten
some great advice from my predecessors, Kayleie mc nanny and
Sarah Sanders, both of whom were working moms in this role,
and I will take their words of wisdom with me
as I try to navigate this very high pressor stressful

(25:52):
job with being a first time mom. But my son
is a great boy. He's finally sleeping through the night.
He knows cannot be up three times a night before
taking the podium, so he's being a good boy and
he's getting his sleep, so I can too.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Let me ask you this, There's been a lot of
talk about reorienting or reorganizing the White House Press briefing room.
How much time has been spent on that and how
much different do you think it might look in terms
of the credentialed organizations, in terms of who's there.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Nobody cares about press transparency and access more than Donald Trump.
He saw that this week when he did a nearly
ninety minute press conference at mar A Lago taking question
from members of the legacy media. We respect that and
honor the tradition of the White House, but we also
recognize there are new voices that need to be in
that room, and so we're exploring our options to figure
out exactly and logistically how we can make that happen.

(26:46):
We'll have announcement soon. It's going to be exciting, and
I look forward to ensuring that. You know, it's my
job to work with the American people and to message
President Trump's message to them as effectively as I can.
So finding new ways to do that is going to
be a lot of fun. And I think the American
people are going to like what they see incoming.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
White House Press Secretary of Caroline Lovitt, Caroline, before we
let you go, we gotta we gotta ask you this.
I'm not gonna become. This is a tough one. I
was gonna say that, We're gonna ask you a tough one.
Favorite Christmas movie, favorite Christmas tradition, or favorite Christmas you know, drink?
Or food?

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Oh my gosh, I mean I could answer all three questions.
Favorite movie Home alone, because I'm a nineties kid, so
of course it's such an epic movie. Favorite food, I
mean all of them. All everything we eat this time?

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Are you pro or anti eggnog?

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Pro eggnog?

Speaker 6 (27:41):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
We get some heat on that.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
Anti eggnog. I don't know. I can't trust people who
don't like it. It's great, great, I hear you can
answer too much of it. Just a little taste this
time of year is all you need.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
There we go, do you have I know, Buck said
last question, But you know, I don't know if you
know this for sure, Caroline, Buck is having his baby.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
He and the lovely Carrie and April.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Given that, yes, it's very exciting, given that you now
have your son sleeping through the night. I've tried to
give Buck advice. He has no idea what he's walking into.
They're going to have a boy too. What would you
tell him? You wish you had known that you have
learned since you had a new boy, you.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
Gotta get him in the crib early. It was a
mistake I made. I let the kids sleep with me
in the bed. He would come on it and snuggle.
They tell you not to do that, but I couldn't
help it. And finally I put my foot down, and
now he loves his crib and he's a professional sleeper.
And I wish I had done it earlier because I
would have saved myself a lot of very long and

(28:42):
exhausting days. So that's my advice to you, Buck. But
I am here for you. You know how to reach me.
You're walking into a very challenging time, but the best
time ever, so rewarding, is so fun, and I'm so
happy for you.

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King grass is great. I got the White House Press
Secretary in one breath telling me congratulate relations get ready
for what's coming your way, buddy. Okay, get your.

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Speaker 1 (29:09):
Merry Christmas, Caroline, thank you for giving us your insight
on what's going on here. And we look forward to
talking to you more and maybe we'll be seeing you
in the White House at some point too, chatting you
up a little bit about everything going on. Thanks so much,
would love that.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Thanks guys. Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1 (30:47):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I got an audio clip that I want to play
for you, and I got to give credit to Aaron Rodgers,
who is not having a good season as the New
York Jets quarterback. Frankly, nobody associated with the Jets is
having a good season. I'm sorry for our wor listeners
out there who came in with some optimism in the
Jets season. But he did say this the other day

(31:12):
on ESPN. This is from Pat McAfee's show, and he said,
you know how they will have like your credentials on
the screen. When you're a media analyst, it might say,
you know, Buck Sexton of the Clay and Buck Show,
or Clay Travis Clay and Buck Show might say OutKick,
like whatever your credentials are. When Aaron Rodgers is on ESPN,

(31:34):
pretty good credentials. Super Bowl MVP and four time NFL MVP,
I think is on the screen. So when he's talking
about playing quarterback, you might not agree with him, but
it's like, boom, here are my credentials. He said he
wants everybody in media to have to say how many
COVID shots they've gotten, and then you can just look

(31:56):
at that and determine how much credence or credibility you
want to give to it and Honestly, I don't know
if you can come up with another one. But in
this era, you know, I don't really use where you
went to college as a proxy for how intelligent you are,
or even if you went to college, if you're like
Elon Musk or or Jeff Bezos and you found companies

(32:20):
like I do give a lot of credit to that.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
That's not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
But if you told me you can only know one
thing about everybody on television talking about any issue under
the sun, knowing how many COVID shots they got, actually
is not an awful idea. Here's Aaron Rodgers making the case.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Listen.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
I know I got to say this multiple times for
people because they don't listen. But say whatever you want
about me, I don't care. But just before you do it,
whether you state your name, your accolades, pronouns, whatever it is,
just state your vack sets so that anything you say
afterwards gets put in the right light. Just get it

(32:59):
out there, because then when you say things about me,
people can at least be like, oh, you are captured
by the multi billion dollar propagandis and you're still upset
about it. Just so everybody knows where you're coming, everybody knows. Okay, cool,
you're twice vax Maderna with three booster shots and then boom,
say what you want to say, whatever, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I actually think it's kind of genius. Doesn't that tell
you a great deal in the wake of COVID about
how much?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
For you and me?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I think it would tell everybody? For us personally, I
think it tells you a lot. Wouldn't that impact how
you would consider someone's opinion on a variety of subjects.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's perfection. He's a very shrewd fellow. It's a brilliant
test and I totally agree with his assessment here, and yeah,
I would love to know. I mean, for example, the
craziest people in the media were the last one still
saying things like I've gotten my seventh booster but remember

(33:59):
you're boy.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Scarborough was like, I would have been really sick with
COVID if I hadn't already had eight shots. Do you
remember when we remember playing that clip like if you
got more than two? Like maybe if you're eighty five,
like my dad's eighty, my mom is eighty two eighty
as well?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Can I can I tell you? I go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I was gonna say, I maybe understand you getting more
than two shots for anyone that is younger than fifty.
If you got more than two COVID shots, I don't
trust your opinion on anything, honestly, because you were just
a sheep and you were just bleeding your way to

(34:41):
go to the pharmacist and just keep getting shot up
with a worthless shot.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I think it's actually brilliant.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
If I found out that you got five COVID shots,
I'm not taking your opinion on anything seriously.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I think that's a sound policy. Also, if you are
not angry about mask and I mean angry about masks mandates,
not even that you didn't think they were necessarily a
great idea. If you don't think that mask mandates were
a moronic and tyrannical and pointless epidemiologically, although very useful
for control reasons, I don't trust some. I don't trust

(35:16):
someone's judgment on matters of policy or life who does
not see what a catastrophe the whole mask thing was
and what an absolute disgrace to the whole public health
universe it was. And I also note doctors who still
kind of be like, well, I'm a doctor, and so
I you're not a very smart doctor. I don't care
where he went to school.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I agree, And I've made hiring decisions where I've
been more likely by far to hire somebody at my
companies based on whether you were like, hey, I didn't
get a COVID shot. In fact, I'm kind of impressed
when people say, hey, because of where I lived, I
went and got a fake COVID vaxcard.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I've heard that a bunch from people in our industry.
I've never wanted to low anyone up on this, obviously,
because technically it's very illegal. I knew so many people
who had fake COVID cards, so many people who had
fake COVID cards. That's all I could say. That's all
I can say about again, not gonna blow even under duress, Clay,
I would not name names, but uh, yeah, a lot

(36:17):
of people had fake COVID shot cards in New York City.
I'm willing to give you the first two shots because
again I understand not everybody did the math and and
understood things well, and it's easy to fall into hype.
But after the first two shots didn't work, if you
went and got a booster I can't trust your opinion

(36:38):
on anything. It's basically an intelligence test, and god forbid
you got.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
More than one booster, you are a moron. And if
you're in the opinion business, I can't trust your opinion
on anything. So I give credit to Aaron Rodgers. I
had never thought of this before, But if you had
to come on and say, hey, I'm so and so
I got six shots, I'd be like, yep, I'm not
even listening to anything else after that.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Well, this is why, to be fair, we've had a
version of this test that we've discussed on the show
for a while, which pertains to politicians, public figures, and
how somebody acted throughout the fullness you know, the entirety
of COVID was the perfect simulation of what their judgment

(37:20):
is like, their level of honesty, their level of courage
or lack of all of those things as somebody who
has power in public life. So, whether it's politicians, you know,
CDC people, doctors, hospital administrators, you got to run the
perfect stress test on whether somebody has reasonable, decent judgment

(37:43):
and can process new information or not. So yeah, no,
Aaron Rodgers, dude, I've already told you I'm a big
fan of the Aaron Rodgers team. He was on I know,
the green Bay Packers, and I'm like, I know that,
but didn't you play for another team too, didn't you
go to the Jets or something? He's on the Jets
right now.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Did you intro with the when I said, I'm sorry,
Jets fans, that's been a rough season for you bad. Yes,
he was a Green Bay Packer.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I thought he was tired.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
No, he's like forty years old and not had a
good season tour his achilles tendon last year. And if
you're out there and you're saying, why is Aaron Rodgers
talking about that status, it's because he refused to get
the COVID shot and everybody in the sports media ripped
him to the high heavens as if he were Typhoid
Mary out there trying to kill everyone. And so he

(38:33):
still hasn't forgotten about it. He's a grudge guy, which
I get a lot of people use grudge in sports,
grudges as a method to fire themselves up. But that
discussion on ESPN, I actually I hadn't thought about it before,
But can you think of a better way in the
last four years for a media member to immediately tell

(38:55):
you something and then you decide whether or not you
believe him. Look, they're Democrats out there that I think
voted for Kamala Harris that are not total morons. They're
just committed to their team and they're willing to do it.
So voting status, I'm not to me how many COVID
shots you got is actually far more dispositive than who
you voted for.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
You know, as I was kind of sad, you know,
just sitting there fortunately drinking my Crocket Coffee Best Coffee
Anywhere Cracket Coffee dot com, while Joe Scarborough is on
the screen this morning, and Carrie is such a such
a patient and loving wife that she she lets me
flip on this morning Joe sometimes even though she's just
she feels like it's she can't take it. She's like,

(39:37):
I gotta go to it. No, she goes and takes
Ginger for a walk. I've realized though, what the deal
is with him and a lot of others like him.
It's almost like a cartel lawyer, you know, like a
lawyer for the cartels. They'll do anything and say anything
because this is the job and that's it. And you know,
if they got to bend the rules and be dishonest
and whatever. Fine, whatever he's got to do, you know
what I mean. No, there's no ethos, honor, or integrity

(40:02):
in this. It's just making a buck. And if you
have to look like a jackass a lot of the time,
that's the job. So I don't even think it bothers him. Really,
I think he's at that level of media sociopath where
just say whatever you know. So the good news is,
don't have to feel bad for Miss Holidays. He's at
him or Mica. I wonder if they're gonna have dinner
with Trump again. Probably. I wonder if eventually he decides

(40:26):
to go. I mean, it depends on what that contract
looks like. From an MSNBC. Do I think that if
Joe Scarborough got an opportunity to become center right at
News Nation or Newsmax. I don't think Fox would ever
pick him up. But you know, some other network possibly
that would view him as star. News Nation wouldn't be
too crazy, I think as a possibility. Well, do I

(40:47):
think that all of a sudden he would go right
of center if that's where he thought the audience the
money was. Absolutely, I mean I would place bets on
it absolutely. I mean he would yeah, go, go, go
the Chris Cuomo routine. Well, all of a sudden, you're like, yeah,
you know, maybe I needed to be more of a
bro and like not actually such a whimp.

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Speaker 1 (42:45):
We are joined by Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky. Senator
Paul Merry, Christmas Surf, thank you for being with us.
Let's let's dive right into this. What is going on
with this continuing resolution? Can you bring us up to
with where it stands now and just your overall assessment
of the whole situation.

Speaker 6 (43:06):
Well, have to put things into context. We have a
government now that borrows two trillion dollars a year, So
if we continue the spending a continued resolution at current levels,
they'll borrow another two trillion at least next year. So
a vote to continue the current spending is actually a
very big spending liberal notion, one that's not fiscally conservative.

(43:27):
So I wi't support continuing the current levels. But it's
worse than that. Speaker Johnson has said also, we're going
to add one hundred billion dollars in disaster money, and
it's worse than that. He then went to the big
farm states with big spending Republicans and they said, we
need another thirty billion dollars in farm subsidies to make

(43:48):
up for the income we lost from the tariffs and
first Trump administration. So you've got thirty billion for farmers,
one hundred billion for disaster, but then also the current
level of spending, which is two trillion dollars short. So
if the Speaker had a spy and what he would
have done has come forward with a bill of cut spending,
cut spending, and see if you get the Conservatives to

(44:09):
go along with a bill that actually cut spending. But
instead he just added it and crammed it full of
pork and as a consequence, he has a rebellion now
with conservatives on both in both the House and the Senate,
and we're not going to vote for that.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So you floated this morning, Senator Merry Christmas. Appreciate you
coming on with us. Say hi to your family. I'm
sure you're getting geared up for everything. Your wife's got
fantastic taste in radio. Last time I saw you both
was flying to d C. I think I know she's
probably listening to us right now. So you floated the
idea of having Elon Musk as the Speaker of the House.

(44:45):
I'm curious what's the reaction been to that. And for
people out there who don't know the speaker doesn't have
to actually be in Congress, what would that impact be.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
What's the reaction been, you know, I.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Actually just learned this a couple of years ago. I
used to think it had to be a member of
the House, and I think it was in twenty eighteen
somebody actually put my name for it. I got one
vote for Speaker of the House. So I was the
first time somebody in the Senate actually got a vote
in the House. There have been votes for others. I
think Donald Trump one time got to vote a vote

(45:16):
or two in the House, so it can be somebody
outside the House. So I've floated Elon Musk because one
I just finished reading Walter Isaacson's biography, and here's a
guy who shows up. He's every days at work till midnight.
He's looking to cut costs so he can get satellites
into space at a cheaper price with less weight. He's

(45:37):
looking at costs on Tesla to make it profitable, and
he's been phenomenally successful. So whether or not they'd considered
as a serious proposal, it at least lets them know.
I am unhappy with what's going on now, and i'mhappy
with the lack of resolve. When I go in few
Republican groups around the country, they respond to me, is
you control the House? How come they don't do something

(45:59):
to control the power with a purse And it really
isn't that they get even half of it because they
have to compromise with the Senate. They control nothing. They
never put forward a proposal that is a Republican proposal.
They just say, well, what will the Democrats accept? And
that's what the the before there's even a negotiation, the
Republicans have always given in to whatever the Democrats want,

(46:20):
they'll get. But that's why the deficits two trillion dollars
and we have a trillion dollars in interest payments every year,
Senator Paul.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
The headlines, of course, are doing what they normally do
from some of this. The media outlets you'd expect this from.
They're saying government shut down imminence, and everyone's supposed to
get so scared about this. What would happen if they
just didn't pass this cr Like, can you take us
through this? Because you know, even for people follow politics
pretty closely, which is certainly this audience, the logistics of this,

(46:50):
the realities of this aren't always that clear. What happens
if they don't do this?

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Well, you know, what I've proposed is legislation that would
keep the government open, but how to reduce hunding level.
There's still a lot of revenue that comes in. So
for example, this year, four trillion, little over four trillion
dollars will come in in revenue and they'll spend a
little over six trillion, So you don't really need to
borrow money for the first four trillion dollars worth of spending.

(47:16):
So we think under current law, the president could actually
prioritize the military, prioritize the salaries, prioritize our soldiers that
are in a harms way, prioritize vital functions of government.
And really that probably would occupy most of the four trillion,
and probably the rest of the government's actually superfluous anyway
beyond that, But I would say government wouldn't shut down.

(47:37):
The idea of government shutting down is a Democrat construct,
so they can always get what they want. Republicans are
scared of their shadow, so they never propose anything. So
I've been proposing for years a Government shut Down Protection Act.
And what would happen is for the first ninety days,
they would spend money at one percent less than last year.
If it goes on more than ninety days, it'd be

(47:58):
two percent less than last year. And then you would
go down and you would escalate down to bring prector
on spending. And then Democrats eventually compromise because they would
be horrified at the actual idea of reducing the debt
or reducing spending. They would finally come to the table.
But because the shutdown is perceived by Republicans as only
being a Republican caused event. Because the media is complicit

(48:21):
with it, the Republicans cave before they get started. As
a consequence, the way I view it, Republicans exert almost
as zero power of the purse.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
We're talking to Senator Ran Paul of Kentucky. I'm sure
you've been following the idea that Joe Biden might pardon
Anthony Fauci. If he does, what would your reaction be
if he does not? What does having control of the
Senate mean for doctor Fauci going forward? Given what you
have uncovered about Fauci in the past.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
If he's pardoned, I think it seals his fate. And
his fate will that be that of someone who bears
a responsibility for a pandemic that killed fifteen million people?
It feels his faith because he's on public record as
having said the gain of function dangerous research is worth
the risk even if a pandemic should occur. That's literally

(49:12):
a paraphrase of an exact sentence that even if a
pandemic would occur, the knowledge is worth the risk. And
I think that's a terrible misjudgment of what we should
be doing in gain of function research. If he is
not pardoned. I still plan on referring him to the
new Attorney General, to the new Department of Justice with
a criminal referral for lying to Congress. The reason this

(49:33):
is still important and why I'm still trying to get
records from the NIH on this is because there was
some deliberation and someone there decided that the research was
safe to go on in Wuhan, and then it didn't
have to go before the Safety Committee. This is one
of the things I like about Elon. If you go
to one of his rockets and he sees a bolt
that's loose or rusted or doesn't seem to fit for

(49:56):
it correctly. And this is simplifying it obviously, but he
will say, who who's in charge of that person? A
person's name is attached to every three piece of equipment
on the rocket, so it isn't it I Reckon say, well,
a team of us decided and we're not sure who
the team leader was. We think it was the other team.
This is what goes on in government. There has to

(50:16):
be responsibility for it, and I think if you did,
you'd find a big change in things.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Senator Paul, what is in your mind the best way
that Doge can hit the ground running and work with
those on the Senate and House side who are serious
about tackling spending. I mean, what is that strategy? Yeah,
I'm sure you are talking to these guys a lot.
What does an effective strategy look like to start to

(50:41):
rein inan You mentioned accountability for everything on the rocket.
What about accountability for everything the federal government's doing?

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Without question? You know, one thing I think the executives
could do is also similar to when Elon started bidding
on putting satellites up and building rockets. It turned out
that a lot of the big contractors, Boeing and Lockeye,
we're doing cost plus. So they'd been a trillion dollars
on something and it would cost two trillion, and then
they just get their ten percent of two trillion instead

(51:08):
of one trillion, So there's no disincentive for them. He
came in and started doing competitive contracts. So one of
the things I've heard him discuss is why don't we
have competitive contracts across all of government. Let's don't do
any cost plus contracts anymore. And so there is a
lot that can be done on contracting. There's some things
they can do on employment. And then there's also they're
going to have to send some money back. So if

(51:31):
they do things more efficiently, Let's say you ask them
to build a navy ship and you give them a
billion dollars, and you know, if you really had someone
like Younon Musk, you do it for eight hundred million.
And if he did a pre eight hundred million, what
do you do with the extra two hundred million. Now
some have talked about impounding it. I think there's going
to be some cool challenges if they do that. But
there's also something called recision. You send that two hundred

(51:53):
billion dollars back to Congress and to a simple majority vote,
a privileged vote. If we had reports plans, with enough
courage and gumps and to stick together on this, we get,
through a simple majority vote cut hundreds of billions of dollars.
So finding the waste is one thing. Actually cutting it
and sending it back to the treasure and never spending
it is more challenging, but it's not impossible if we

(52:16):
could get all Republicans to actually vote for spending cuts.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
We're talking to Senator Ram Paul of Kentucky as he
gets ready for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
What's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
You think with the nominees that Trump has put forward
as his cabinet, do you feel like everybody's going to
get confirmed? If not, where are the battles as you
see them sitting here getting ready for the start of January.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
You know, I have to say, well, I don't always
agree with Donald Trump. When I do voice my differences
when they occur his cabinet, I've been an ecstatic about,
you know, ninety some point percent of it. Any of
the people I've said, these are people I would have picked.
You know, Marty McCarey at FDA, a brilliant physician in
Thurgeon from John Hopkins. Wonderful Jay Bataccharia for NIH, wonderful pick.

(53:04):
These guys have impeccable cvs and resumes twenty pages long.
Big academic universities. Dave Weldon at CDC, Robert Kennedy at HHS.
I'm met with Cash Pattel today at FBI. I think
he will institute reforms and try to get rid of
politicization of the FBI. There's, you know, just one after another.

(53:25):
I mean, really really good picks that I'm proud of.
Telsea Gabbard at d and I I think we need
to make sure that you know one that our intelligence
agencies aren't targetting America. She was actually targeted by the
Biden intelligence agencies and put on a terrorist list. That's
that's obscene. So he's a twenty year career military officer
with who's a lieutenant colonel, and some idiot in the

(53:48):
Biden administration has people following her on planes. So that
kind of stuff. I guess. I'm very hopeful that they
all get through. Some of them are seen as more
controversial than others, but I think there's a good chance
they all get At this point.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Senator Paul feels like a great time for this country,
considering the possibilities ahead and the Trump win and the
team and the focus coming in. So we just want
to say thank you again for making the time for us,
for your incisive analysis and leadership in the Senate, and
a very merry Christmas to you and your family. We
appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Sir, Absolutely, Merry Christmas, everybody.

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