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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. As we roll through the
Wednesday edition of the program, I am back in Nashville.
Buck has traveled back home for a short period of
time before he's on the road again. Trump continues to dominate,
having hit the ground at a full on sprint, as
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he is continuing to remake the country and to a
large extent, erase much of the legacy of the entire
Biden regime. All of that rolling through as many of
us look around and think, I can't believe how quickly
he is moving, But my goodness, I am glad that
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all of this is being put in place. And frankly,
many of the things that Trump is undertaking even kind
of surprise me. And then I look at them and
I say, my goodness. I mean, he's actually act in
a way that demonstrates he's not screwing around. He hasn't
gotten into office so far and gotten bogged down in
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any of the petty issues out there. And Buck, this
new EO that he has put out that essentially says, hey,
if you're involved in DEI at all, then you are
out now again. A lot of this is going to
lead to substantial litigation, and we have to understand that.
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And I know it's frustrating to some of you, because
the courts are going to weigh in, and you're going
to have a district court judge and a random location
out there somewhere that comes out and says, oh, the
President doesn't have this authority, and then it's going to
go to a circuit court, and then it's going to
wind its way all the way to the Supreme Court.
But the symbolism of something as profound as saying, hey,
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DEI has no basis whatsoever in our government actually sends
an incredible message across the country and it forces many
different big corporations out there, and many of you that
have been forced to be sitting around for these ridiculous
DEI seminars as part of your HR training. No matter
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where you work, whether it's a public school, whether it's
a large corporation, if the federal government is saying this
is no longer the rule of the land, a lot
of these companies that may have recognized that this is
absurd and should have had no basis in reality for
a long time feel emboldened and enabled to be able
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to stand up and say enough with this good riddance,
And it actually does, even if it's held up in court,
have a substantial impact on the day to day life
of tens of millions of Americans. Which is why I
say I love the incredible bravery that Trump is showing
right now to stand up against all this absurdity. I
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think he believes it. I think he's been put in
place an incredible team to be able to enforce it,
put the best regulations forward for the Supreme Court to review.
I can't get enough of this buck. I imagine you
feel the same way, Clay.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's amazing. It's difficult to even keep up with all
the great stuff that has been happening this early in
an administration. I've never seen any I've never seen anything
like it before. I don't think anyone's ever seen anything
like it before. You know, there used to be this sense,
I think of you got to kind of ease in
a little bit, you know, But no, actually there's no
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easing in. There's a sense of urgency. You know. When
I went out for kind of a special occasion dinner
in New York at this fancy restaurer, I remember up.
It was a Thomas Keller place up on the wall.
The one thing they had was sense of urgency. Because
these guys are operating in the culinary game at the
absolute top, world class level. This administration has a sense
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of urgency, hitting the ground running clay. Let me just
throw I'm throwing this out there. It's like the menu
of things we would talking about today. I mean, you
got to that. The DEI thing is amazing. I mean
Trump rescinding Executive Order eleven two four six from Lyndon
Johnson and making sure that that Affirmative Action DEI it's
no longer part of the federal government. There's other stuff.
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Trump administration has canceled travel plans for refugees who are
who were planning to be resettled in the United States.
State Department issues a one flag policy. This is one
of those things where you say, in what world should
any administration at a US embassy abroad be flying a
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flag other than our flag? And just to be clear,
it's not like we were flying the flag of the
It's not about flying the flag of the host country.
Also as some kind of a gesture of goodwill, we're
talking about gay pride flags, black Lives Matter flags, you know,
left wing idea, A lot flags flying from embassies under
the Bide administration. That's done with Trump administration expanding the
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authority of immigration agents, allowing them to make arrests at
previously protected sites such as schools and churches. President Trump
pardoning Ross William Ulbrich, the Silk Road Dark Web marketplace
founder McClay. It's just coming at us fast and furious
with all this stuff. And I think that what we're
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seeing is the president that we were hoping for coming
out of the kinds of character and mindset defining experiences
that we saw over the course of the election campaign,
with the prosecutions, with the attempt at assassinations. I mean,
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this Trump is going for it, and this is what
we want. This is what we've voted for, and it
is just the beginning, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And what I still would point to is buck the
opposition can't get itself in order because they are just
falling all over themselves. I legitimately can't believe that of
everything that took place over the Trump inauguration and of
the first couple of days of actions, that they have
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decided that the thing that they want to go and
die on this hill. Is Elon Musk supposedly doing a
Nazi gesture when any of you that have watched this
clip is self evident that he is awkwardly, I will
acknowledge because I do think in some ways Elon Musk
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is an uncomfortable public speaker. And for any of you
out there that have not regularly talked in front of
thousands of people, which is most of the American public,
you may watch yourself speaking and say, boy, that doesn't
look anything like I ordinarily would. So he's trying to
say from the bottom of my heart, and he taps
his heart and he kind of just throws his hand
out in gesture, clearly to the entire arena awkwardly. But
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to claim that this is some kind of Nazi salute
is so crazy. I can't believe that this is their messaging. Buck,
this is what they have immediately fallen into.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They're desperate, they're delusional. Just take a step back from
this for a second, Clay, all of us take a
step back from this. So their theory now is that
the richest man in the world randomly would decide to
throw a Nazi salute into a speech. Why because he's
a secret Nazi. They really believe that. Anyone who believes
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that is a moron. And I know we shouldn't use
we shouldn't call people names. I get emails. No, anyone
who thinks that Elon Musk is a secret crypto Nazi
because of that is an imbecile who should be listened
to about nothing Like Congressoman Aos for example, she's an idiot,
by the way, I take it back. They can't make
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her into a bigger deal. They wish they could. She's
too dumb. She's too dumb, and she's not even.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Of your speaking about how dumb she is. This is
their messaging. They've learned nothing from the last nine years.
They've learned nothing by the massive increase of support for
Jewish voters for Trump, or for the fact that due
to the college campus protest, if you're going to assign
anti Semitism to either the Democrat or the Republican Party,
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it's clearly more prominent on the Democratic side of the equation.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Here she is social media superstar who also happens to
be a Democrat Member of Congress AOC and unfortunately is
one of the lowest IQ individuals in the Congress. Here
she is saying that Elon Musk made a Nazi hand gesture.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Play eight, you're gonna do a sig hail. You're going
to do a hail Hitler or their rebrand a Roman
salute from behind the presidential seal of the United States
of America. It's on. It's on. And what is so
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important for us to understand is that as long as
we don't give up, it's not over. It's not over.
It is not over.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Sorry, I thought she was over with this. She's more
to give us more. We need more of them being
completely childish imbeciles. We need them to keep doing this
stuff that got us to this point where so much
of the country is unified. In just taking out the
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Trump steamroller and the whine, the usual tricks, you'll notice,
you know, I saw, for example, someone who you know,
in a a would be illegal, who was actually at
the border waiting to come in. On the app they
were sharing the Scott widely share. She starts crying because
she can't come in. Yes, we're gonna have to say
tough things to people sometimes. Yes, we're going to have
to say you actually can't come into the country. Okay,
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you have a country that you were born in. That
is your country of origin and nationality and citizenship. Go
make that country a better place. We've had enough of
this ten million under Biden. Okay, the old moral blackmail
stuff clay from the media and the Democrats. We don't care.
It's not working.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Also, I think this is indicative to your point of
how AOC rose to prominence. She rode a rigged social
media ecosystem and a rigged legacy media that would give
her an artificial sense of the popularity of the opinions
she was sharing. And this is they don't have any
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idea how to adjust. I've said this, but last month
I was in Israel to claim that prominent Trump supporters
are Nazis. They tried this with Trump. It didn't work
that you would suggest that. What this reminds me. You
remember when they decided the Oka hand gester.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was just thinking about that, didn't they They got
like a Mexican American fired from his power line company
or something because someone took a photo of his hand
outside of a door at a red light.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, you remember, for most people out there, and I'm
doing the gesture on camera here, it was like if
you got somebody to look at that you could punch
him in the arm, right.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But here, yeah, but here's yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So the culture that was going on, but it was
like they got people fired. They called it a racist
hand gesture on television. They showed it at the Army
Navy game. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But this is such an important reminder because they don't
have the power anymore to get their way with this stuff.
We lived in an America not long ago, a few
years ago, before this election, before twenty twenty five. We
lived in America where Democrats could decide the most insane
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crap imaginable and you would suffer for it. They would
decide that men could be women. They would decide that
a random hand gesture that has nothing to do with
anything means you're a secret white supremacist. They would say
that Donald Trump is a crypto fascist who's going to
put people in camps clay. They could get away with
saying anything, and you know, it's a reminder also of
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the era where they could just call someone racist and
ruin them not anymore, not anymore, or it doesn't it
doesn't work anymore. They're stupid games. They're communist approach to
the society around them. It just doesn't have the same
doesn't have the same punch. Sorry, libs.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I will say this is to me really representative of
them not being able to figure out how to fight
back against Trump. That they think that going after Elon
Musk for a gesture during a speech is going to
in some way imperil his abilits. That's what that's is
really about, right, It's about imperiling Trump's ability to get
things done. They are woefully misguided, and actually I encourage
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them to continue down this path of stupidity.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Agree, And here's one more thing. I'll at it and
we'll take some of your calls on this as well.
Eight hundred two A two to eight A two you
know that number? Light us up, want to say calls today?
Yesterday I was having some tech issues, so the calls
I couldn't really get to, uh clay. Notice how what
they're not saying is we've learned something about what the
American people want, and we the Democrat Party want to
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pursue better governance and policies that will make people's lives safer,
more prosperous, and more free, or any variation of that.
You know why they're not saying it because one they
don't believe in it, and two they can't because the
Democrat Party has been overtaken at the top level by idiots. Honestly,
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these are not impressive people, they're not smart people, they
are not good people. And that's why the opposition is
you're you're a crypto racist, Nazi or whatever you're you know,
that's why they're pretending elon musk. Give me a break.
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Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Wednesday edition of the program. Back in the
home studios for at least a day. Buck's about to
have to travel across country uh later tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But come find me at Shot show. Guys. I've never
been before, So some of you who know it well
can show me around and we'll high five and.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Maybe we'll get in Las Vegas. You're gonna be in
Las Vegas starting tomorrow's and anyone who knows shot show
knows Vegas, Baby Vegas, Baby Vegas. So Buck, we'll be
flying there tomorrow, will be doing the show there tomorrow.
But I wanted to hit this because I do think
it's significant, and you brought it up, and I know
many of you may be hearing this discussion point, and
I think it's supremely important. The pardon power. Let me
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give you an example. Joe Biden pardoned Hunter after Hunter
had been convicted of crimes and or pled guilty to
crimes involving guns and tax related failure to pay. I
and both Buck and I said, hey, we expect Hunter
to get pardon. Nobody hardly in the media was telling
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you that Biden lied and said he wasn't going to
do it. We told you we expect him to pardon Hunter.
You may not agree with it. I said, as a dad,
if I were president in the United States, I would
pardon my son. I understand some of you disagree with that,
but if I felt like he was being politically targeted
because of me, and I had that power. I'm not
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letting my son go to prison. Some of you may disagree.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's really more of a parenting philosophy than anything else.
But that is the essence of the part in power. Now, yes,
Joe Biden personally benefits, and ideally the part in power
would be based on principle. For instance, when Biden pardoned
a lot of the federal death Row inmates, although he
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left out three, which undercuts the principle there. If you
are opposed to the death penalty, then there is a
principled stand associated with giving a pardon in that respect.
But in all of those cases, an individual was charged, prosecuted, convicted,
and either faced a punishment or would face a punishment.
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That is what the pardon power is for. That is
what happened with all the jan six defendants. You can
agree or disagree with Trump's decision, but those individuals have
all been charged, prosecuted, many of them have served time,
and Trump decided I'm going to pardon the vast majority
of them.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
One of the reasons that the infamous and even Eric
Holder who signed off on it, because there's a process.
The president can just do it, but there's usually kind
of a consent process or a i should say, administrative
process around the president for some of these pardons. Mark
Rich signed off on Bill Clinton's I'm sorry. Eric Holder
signed off on Bill Clinton's pardon of Mark Rich. And
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the reason that that was so outrageous to people. Mark
Rich's wife, by the way, it was very wealthy, making
huge donations to Democrats, so it felt like just the
whole thing was a straight up payoff. He fled after indictment.
He went to Switzerland, so he evaded justice. He didn't
even have the respect of an American to face the
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justice system. And that was why klay So people were like, oh,
so he goes to Switzerland and gets off entirely, And
that is what happened, and he.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Had the wealth to be able to do it, which
is why it seems particularly unseemly. Now what Biden did
for his family and Anthony foul and the jan six
committee members is truly without precedent. He gave them a
clean get out of jail free card. In the case
of Fauci and his family in particular, dating all the
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way back to twenty fourteen. We have never seen no
charges brought, no investigations really of a substantial nature by
the Department of Justice that we know of underway here,
and he just gave them blanket pardon immunity, in particular
on the in the case of his own brothers and sisters.
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That was something that protects Biden himself. Also, I don't
think it's constitutional. I question whether you can just give
a floating get out of jail free card for a
decade's activity when we don't even know what the the
preemptive pardon concept. And so this is big. There's a
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big difference between what Biden did with preemptive pardons and
whether you agree or disagree with it what Biden did
say with Hunter Biden or with the death row inmates,
or what Trump did with the January sixth individuals. That
is the standard method by which pardon goes and is
used historically in the United States. Biden's use of it
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to protect his family members members is expansive and I
think actually unconstitutional, and.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Well, it also goes to the corruption of the very
top of the government, right, That's something and they were
very clear when Trump was president the last time that
it would be an egregious miscarriage of justice and a
misuse of the pardon power. If Trump pardoned himself or
any of his family members. They're all go to CNN,
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go to MSNBC. They are all on the record saying
that you can watch the videos because they're just all frauds.
It's just they're whatever helps their team is good, Whatever
hurts the other team is good. They don't care about
any actual principle, right, So that's been very clearly established here, Clay.
But for these jen six individuals, the way that I mean,
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I just think this is one of the biggest misrepresentations
of it. The way that they speak about this over
at MSNBC. It's like, oh, you know, like these guys
didn't face anything for what they There were people whose
lives were ruined for tress pass. Yes, okay, you know
who else is trespassing? All the illegal aliens, They are
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trespassing on the soil of the United States. They are
illegally present here, and no one's saying they should have
their life destroyed and thrown in prison for years, or
at least that's not what people are saying. They're saying
they should go back to their home countries. So it's
it's amazing and dishonest on just such an epic level
to watch these different and some of them are also
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people that are kind of never Trump former Republicans, like, oh,
this is so horrible what he did. It's been years.
These people were all prosecuted more vigorously than anybody else
you can think of for the same con and it's
because they decided. The exacerbating factor that made every one
of these cases so much worse was that it was
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on behalf of Donald Trump, and it rejected Joe Biden's
six million. Really interesting that whole vote situation. It called
it into question, and that was their real crime, not
allowing the regime to just steamroll everybody who had questions.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Also, and this is the other part I think is significant.
If you are out there and you don't agree with
the pardon of the January sixth individuals, I do. I've
argued for it. We've argued for it for some time
on this show. To a large extent. What I would
say to all of you is, compare how the jan
sixth individuals were treated compared to all the BLM protesters
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if you want to argue, and I think we should
have this as the standard that Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian,
whatever your political philosophy is, that if you break the law, trespass,
engage in violence, loute, whatever it is, you should be prosecuted.
I agree with that, But you should be prosecuted exactly
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the same regardless of what your political background is. Most
of the BOM protesters nationwide, certainly in Washington, d C,
got virtually no punishments at all, and they threw the
book at all of the jan six. So even if
you don't really like the pardon book, the disparate treatment
is an injustice in itself because it's political in nature.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And they brought all of these in DC because of
the rigged jury pool of Trump hating Democrat leftists who
are overwhelmingly benefiting from the federal leviathan in one way
or another, being based in DC, and that they weren't
given a fair trial. The judges railroaded them, did not
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allow for change of venue for example. Why that's a
standard thing in any trials. Hey, guys, I think the jury,
of course, the jury in Washington, d C, which is
ninety four percent Democrat, is going to be unfair to
Trump supporters given the politics surrounding their prosecutions. Not a
single one of them was allowed to have their trial
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moved outside of the DC jurisdiction to another venue because
it was all about having a machinery of destruction of
these individuals. I just add this claim. I mean, we
could do a lot of these comparisons. One example, though,
is remember the guy who fabricated evidence in the FISA
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application against I think it was a carter page. Remember
the guy who and he did it, I mean he
changed evidence. He's a government lawyer. He made something disappear
to get that warrant to go after Trump. Clearly violated
the law. You know what his punishment was by the
DC jury? Nothing nothing. Guy walked without any anything happening.
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Why because he was a soldier for the left and
they knew it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Idea going forward, and I have said this before, and
I'm going to text some of the guys that could
potentially make this happen. It is a rigged jury system
in Washington, DC that Democrats have exploited because to your point,
it's a ninety four percent Democrat jurisdiction. To my knowledge, Buck,
there is no Republican area that votes as strongly Republican.
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As Washington d C votes Democrat, since it's the seat
of the federal government, that is an incredible asset. I
actually think it's very fair and should happen that if
you are charged with federal crimes, you should be able
to relocate those federal charges to also your home jurisdiction
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if you so choose. In other words, if somebody wanted
to bring charges against me in Washington, d C. Instead
of me having to stand trial in Washington, d C.
With the jury pool that advantages Democrats, given what I
do for a living, probably is not going to be
that fairly disposed to me. I should be able to
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relocate that case to my home state of Tennessee and
my home jurisdiction of the Nashville area and allow a
true jury of my peers here. In the event that
I were charged with the crime that would be me specifically,
you would be able to relocate something to Miami Dade.
Anybody who has charges brought against them. I think there
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should be a law passed. The Republicans could pass it
right now. I think it would be tremendously beneficial for
lawfair because one of the motivating factors of the lawfair Buck,
is that Democrats don't have to worry about the your
jurisdiction in Washington, d C. They have an advantage. They
basically have a home field advantage for every game that
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they want to bring. All I'm asking is, hey, give
an opportunity to someone like me or you or any
someone else in the country to actually be charged in
a home jurisdiction as opposed to DC.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is just an aside, but our conversation about this
reminds me of it.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
What a.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Clown Jack Smith is. Oh, it's hard to believe how
much put aside the egregious weaponization right the art, but
it's also that he was so incompetent with the timing
of all of this, and that it was so blatant
with the jurisdiction shopping that he did, and just all
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of it was so clearly manipulated and orchestrated to rig
the system against Trump, and it was all for nothing.
In fact, I actually think that it propelled Donald Trump
to just be the choice without even a real primary
having to happen, and then normal Americans who aren't insane
because of Trump's arrangement just said, yeah, no, we're making
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a president again Buck.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Also, you know who didn't get a preemptive pardon, Jack Smith?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Jack Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think Biden's actually angry about how Jack Smith did
his job, and not giving him a pardon on the
way out was his way to demonstrate that anger about
the way that process went down. I think he believes
I think he's wrong, but I think he believes that
if Merrick Garland had brought the case faster, that Trump
would have stood trial, and if Trump had had to
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stay on trial for Jan six or related incidents, then
it would have actually damaged him. I don't know that
I buy that as being true, but I think that's
one of the things that Biden is holding to as
he left. And if you wonder whether that's true or not,
just look at who we've pardoned and who he didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
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Our two Clayan Buck kicks off now, and we know
that the presidents has come out with a slew of
executive orders, so many of them are fantastic. I love
the only American flags flying at MSC's the left. And
people can try to dismiss this stuff as cosmetic or
minor or whatever it's it's not minor because it's all
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part of an ideology that had been allowed to fest stir,
particularly in the federal government, that you can push your
pet projects at different government buildings because it's for you know,
oppressed people or something or whatever it may be, and
that's just not that's not okay. I think it was
all should all be considered that it was violations of
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the Hatch Act, but put that aside for a moment.
They say, oh, it's not about a political party. Yeah
it is. Actually, yeah, it is okay when you're talking
about something like BLM. One side of the political aisle
supported it, even though it's resulted in thousands and thousands
more people killed than nothing good came of it. The
other side has opposed it. Now. The border, though, is
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where the rubber really meets the road on this administration,
and we're just seeing the beginning of it. Immigrations and
Customs Enforcement arrested three hundred and eight. Oh oh, we're
going to call them legal aliens again in the federal government,
and we've continue to call them legal aliens. The the
worst of these, I think euphemisms is undocumented. That's the
(31:02):
one that's particularly annoying because what does that even mean.
It really doesn't tell you anything other than, oh, maybe
if we just made them, if we gave them documents,
then everything would be fun. Three hundred and eight illegal
illegal aliens were arrested Trump's first day in office, according
to the Borders are we'll get to this here, Tom Homan,
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what he's been doing in just a moment. But these
are people that have been charged with murder, child rape,
pain his crimes. They're illegals and they're still in the country.
I mean, they've done horrible things in America and we're
still letting them roam this country as though it's no
big deal. I mean, this is these are the public
safety threats that they said they were going to focus
on first. That's not to say there's not going to
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be a whole other range of deportations as well. Trump
has deployed fifteen hundred active duty troops to the border
to help with securing the border, So that's a part
of this. There's been a huge drop off in illegal
crossings at the border. Play you have the number, handy
what was It's gone from over ten.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Thousand, thousand, yeah, twelve thousand in the final two days
of Biden to under eight hundred in the first two
days of Trump. So what is that like a ninety
some odd percent decline in the number of illegal border
crossings just since Trump came into office.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So this is really encouraging and Tom this this was
an interesting moment though, Tom Holman explaining to Dana Bash
that yes, the Trump administration is going to enforce federal
immigration law and that means that if you are in
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the country illegally and ICE finds you, you are subject
to deportation. This is like a shock to see Ann
that the law is actually the law, and some people
might see it that way. Listen to how Borders are
Homan was one of my favorite of the Trump senior
administration officials. I mean, he's like tops, He's an all
star among a star team. But here he is explaining
(33:09):
patiently to CNN. Yeah, that's actually what I'm saying. Play.
This is cut three, and.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
This is a difference between the last administration this administration.
ICE is going to force the immigration law. There's nothing
in the I in a Immigration Nationality Act says you
got to be convicted of a serious crime in order
to be removed from this country. So there's gonna be
more collabal arrest in Santori cities could because they forced
us to go in the community and find and find
the guy we're looking for.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
The first she said that the first targets are those
with criminal records. But you are also saying that those
who are undocumented in the US who don't have criminal records,
people who are working in their communities, maybe even have
spouses who are American citizens, they could be swept up
with ICE today as well.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
What I'm telling you is when we go find that
priority tiger, which is a criminal alien, if he's with
others in the United States illegally, we're going to take
enforcement action against them. We're going to force immigration.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Law Clay what he's what he was saying, and the
run up to this explanation as well is because sanctuary
jurisdictions don't want to have law enforcement, just work with
federal law enforcement on this. Meaning you're in the county jail, okay,
now you're gonna get handed over to ICE. That's the
safest and best way Homan was explaining for that transfer
(34:21):
to happen, and obviously most efficient as well, because they
say no, they intentionally let them loose in the community.
If the if an illegal who's committed a let's say,
a rape or a murder is found in a house
with five other illegals by ICE, all of them are
subject to deportation. Yeah, and I would just point out
Dana Dana sorry, I never get it right, Uh, Dana Bash, Sorry,
(34:47):
Dana Perino, Dana Bash that a lot of this aggressive
questioning is this is CNN, right, Am I correct that
this was the CNN interview. The there is it, I
believe and again and you guys can correct me if
I'm wrong. Democrats picked Dana Bash to interview Kamala Harris,
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remember Tim Walls, the sort of the Lifeguard weird interview
that they did, And then they went back and they
looked at how Dana Bash questioned in this situation, the
JD vance versus how she questioned Walls and Kamala, and
the disconnect was striking. She is one going after him
(35:32):
far more aggressively than she has in the past for
Democrat officials. And two, it doesn't seem like she has
really done much of her homework here to be sitting
down and interviewing somebody who is an expert in this
and you know this, Buck, it's a challenge. Warriors have
to deal with this a lot because let's say you're
(35:53):
a lawyer and you're involved in a medical malpractice case.
You're grilling a surgeon on something that he or she
does for a living, and they know their expertise so
well that you have to basically become a doctor in
order to ask questions intelligently. Here, there's no homework that's
been done, there is it. It's like it's just a
(36:16):
partisan attack, and he's just kind of slapping back these
questions because they aren't particularly sophisticated or intelligent in terms
of the way that they're being used to sort of
get at this issue. Now, there's also been the change
in how some Democrats view the illegal alien issue. You know,
(36:40):
Tucker Carlson is a very big podcast, and he sat
down with now sat down with Mayor Eric Adams. We've asked,
We're still going to keep asking. He sat down to
have him on. But New York City's Mayor Eric Adams
spoke about what the up to this election Democrat party
required of people the issue of illegal aliens. And listen
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to this from a prominent Democrat.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I think they used the terminology you were not being
a good Democrat. I think that was their philosophy that
I was supposed to silently watch what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
To this city. And I love this city.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
This is a city that I gave my life to
protect and I was.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Watching the erosion.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
We would get in almost eight thousand migrans and asylum
seekers a week, sixteen thousand every two weeks, and we
were being compelled by the Legal Aid Society to find
them housing within a short period of time until we
had to go back to court and fight that this
humanitarian crisis is not what is normally. Someone has in
the right to have shelter within the city, and they
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were coming in one, two, three am in the morning.
It was a constant overturn.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Major cost in New Yorkers. Clay and Democrat prominent African
American leader Eric Adams has said this was disastrous. And
Eric Adams is in I think an interesting position here.
Let's play cut seven to where he says the Democrat
Party left me. He is the mayor of the largest
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Democrat majority city in America, and here's cut seven.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
The people off to say, well, you know, you don't
sound like a Democrat and you know you seem to
have left the party. No, the party left me and
then left working class people in our conversations that we
should be talking about are not the issues that every
day people that are in power talking about people are
concerned about the future of their families, and that should
(38:39):
be our focus, and that's the focus of this administration.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Buck This to me, is probably going to be the
most interesting election in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I know, he just came through an election and Trump
had incredible success with growing his Asian, his Black, his
Hispanic support. But to me, we'll see whether Cuomo jumps
into this race. Eric Adams seems to be intent on
running for reelection. I know we've got the governor's race
(39:10):
in New Jersey and the governor's race in Virginia, and
those are very important. But what you're seeing here is
some of the traditional Democrat core base is rejecting now
the lies that Democrats are requiring them to tell. And
this is sort of a conflict, right. We've seen this
happen in Chicago, We've seen it happen in New York City.
(39:32):
A lot of these big cities are saying, wait a minute,
we don't have the resources to take care of actual
citizens and give them the right opportunities in these cities.
And now you're telling me we need to be spending
tax dollars on migrants, that we need to be giving
them hotel rooms, Wi FI free meals all these things,
and there is a conflict between people who may need
those resources, overwhelmingly black and brown in those cities, right,
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a lot of white people need it too, but Hispanic
and black citizens feel like, hey, we're not getting the
resources in support we need in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, LA.
And suddenly we're seeing all these migrants get treated better
than actual citizens. And I think you're gonna see an
element of that become a major part of New York
(40:15):
City's mayoral race in this spring, summer and fall as
it moves towards election day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Just think about it. If you're somebody who's an actual
American and a New Yorker and you're falling on hard
times and you have to go and prove you know
all these different things to get benefits, whether you know
unemployment benefits and housing benefits, in these things. New York
City has a very large welfare and benefits apparatus. But
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you're going through all those hoops and everything else, and
then you look over and you see, hold on a second,
So people just come here illegally, who have never paid
taxes here, who are not Americans here, and they get
free housing, free food, and pre loaded debit cards. And
I'm paying for this, or at least theoretically, you know,
when I'm working my job, my portion of my wages
is going to fund the City of New York, and
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so I'm paying for this. Lee At some point, Clay,
it's too much, and we crossed at some point, and
that's what Eric Adams is speaking to it, and I
think it's it's indicative of the country's mindset on this.
We were, Our goodness and our sense of charity as
a nation has been just abused systematically by the millions
(41:31):
and millions who came across, specifically during Biden. There's others
who have come across too, done the same thing. But
ten million people is too many, you know, enough is enough.
The wide open border policies of Biden have made the
American people see that this is a scam, it's wrong,
and it needs to stop. And I'm happy to see
(41:51):
that Trump is hitting the ground running on this issue,
among many others. So I'm gonna have been in three
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Speaker 2 (43:01):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I mentioned
this to you yesterday. I wanted to dive into it
with play right now, not not because we want to
give more time to it per se, but I think
that it's indicative of a broader attitude and it is
something that for me at least, is a big part
(43:22):
of why the Democrats lost as badly as they did
and don't seem to be learning any lessons from that loss.
And it's this yesterday, this bishop who decided that it
was time to lecture Donald Trump and his family and
(43:47):
also the gathered vice president's family. Do we have her
going on the view? Guys? I just realized, I'm at
a tweeter. We do, Okay, So so this is this
is what what you gotta know. This person is an
act a political activist, doing what she does in clergy robes,
doing it from behind the facade of religious purity, which
(44:12):
I find very annoying, Okay, especially because I would disagree strenuously.
I don't think that the Bible was supportive of transgender
surgery for twelve year olds. Okay, I don't buy it.
I'm sorry, she can try to lecture me otherwise. I
don't think the Bible means that you also don't have
to respect the rules of the or the laws of
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the land that you are in. So I don't think
that illegal immigration is something that the Bible just says
you have to. But put that aside for a second.
I don't want Trump getting lectured by some left wing activists.
And how do we know she's a left wing activist.
She's a long history of it, Big George Floyd fan,
by the way, you know Saint George Floyd, of course,
canonized by left wing bishops, et cetera all over the country.
(44:56):
And she went on the view last or today? Was
it today? Yeah? Today, to make it very clear to
everybody where she stands play it.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Unity requires a certain degree of mercy, mercy and compassion
and understanding, and so knowing that a lot of people,
as I said, in our country right now, are really scared,
I wanted to take the opportunity, in the context of
that of service for unity, to say we need to
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treat everyone with dignity and we need to be merciful
and to I was trying to counter the narrative that
is so so divisive and polarizing and in which people,
real people are being are being harmed.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
You know, Clay, why can't you tell the people that
are so scared and everyone's so scared, stop being such
a lunatic. Don't be scared. It's fine, okay. And if
you break the law, well then you're breaking the law.
But you know, Trump is not not unmerciful to the
American people. This whole premise is insane.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, you can't be the person who causes someone to
be afraid and then claim that you need to address
the narrative for why those people are afraid. You can't
be both the cause of and uh and and and
and then claim that you have the solution for a
problem that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
First of all, let's let's let's actually be clear here.
Trump was the first president to ever enter office supportive
of gay rights and gay marriage. Okay, no one wants
to talk about it because Barack Obama's supposed to be
a saint, and because Hillary Clinton is supposed to be
(46:48):
a saint and all these They actually ran opposed to
gay marriage, they got elected, and it wasn't until double reelection.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, It wasn't told double
reelection that Barack Obama suddenly came out and said, hey,
by the way, I support gay marriage. And if I
remember this correctly, I think Joe Biden actually stepped all
(47:11):
over his announcement because he went on like the Today
Show and did it before Barack Obama, did you know,
because he's Joe Biden, And whether that was intentional or not,
it actually took away some of the impact of Obama
saying it right. Wasn't Obama like fourteen or thirteen or
something like that. After double reelection he suddenly said, hey,
(47:31):
I support gay marriage. This was already decided, the Supreme
Court had already ruled. Trump said, hey, I'm not going
to oppose this. So this has always been a strange
line of attack. And I'm not saying you're wrong. If
you're opposed to this, make it clear. I'm just saying,
of all the things you could go after Trump on,
does he's not supportive enough of gay people? Is not
(47:53):
in the line of attack that I would embark on.
This is I think you hit on something really important.
And I know a lot of the Trump team listens
to us on a regular basis. Here's what I would say.
Do not be a slave to tradition when it allows
someone like this, who is a far left wing political
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activist to get up at a rostrum and criticize the president,
the vice president directly like this. There are many ministers,
there are many priests out there. If you want to
demonstrate the importance of faith on the day after inauguration day, Buck,
I think this is a usual thing. Go to a
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service to pray for the country. There are tons of
people out there that would love the opportunity to address
the nation, that have an important message and would have
done so without being hectoring left wing activist in the
point of their delivery. Does that make sense? Like, there
are a lot of people we could give a platform
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two of all different religious faith backgrounds that would love
the opportunity to speak to the president vice president hear
their message. Don't be a slave to tradition. You know
this person, you know what she's going to do. Let's
find somebody else and deliver a message that's more unifying
from a religious background. If that's the intent.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, I thought it was disrespectful and exactly unfortunately what
you would expect from somebody who holds the political beliefs
that this person does. I would just note, you know,
I wonder where she stands on the obsession with abortion
the Democrat Party has she's supposed to be a member
of the Christian clergy and episcopal I don't even know
(49:41):
where the Episcopalian Church stands on that stuff. My dad's episcopal.
It's always funny in my house. My mom is Catholic.
My dad's a Piscopelia, but he just comes to has
spent my entire adult life going to Catholic services with us.
So anyway, I don't know where the Episcopalian Church stands
on these things. I'm not sure the Episcopalian Church knows
where it stands on some of this too.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I also think by the way your point the argument
of hey, the Bible has a really specific take on
current political controversy like trans related issues. Again, like the
Bible is an incredible work. We don't need to try
(50:20):
to constrain one of the parts of the Bible to claim, Oh,
this specifically dealt with whether trans people should be able
to have surgeries when they're twelve years old to change
their gender. Let's be a little bit honest. I'm uncomfortable
with the idea of anyone trying to do something like that.
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Does that make sense? And so I really think there
are a lot of great religious leaders out there that
are desperate to have their message reach the public. And
when you allow someone like this to give them the
platform and now the views got them on buck, I
would just tell them, let's be to the Trump team.
Let's don't walk our guys into over the middle where
(51:03):
you know they're going to get decked by someone that
the vast majority of Americans don't like and isn't actually
representative of most religious figures in the country.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, I think that's a good a good way, a
good way to put it. And then we get to
the another comment on the view, Clay, I wanted to
throw in your direction here. Oh no, Anna Navarro, who
I think was an independent now is she is. She's
a former Republican. And I've always thought that there was
(51:36):
there was the saddest category of political commentators for the
last eight years has been have been those Republicans who
make a living pretending like trading on their former Republican
is to trash Republicans, right, I mean, this is the
Lincoln Project and the Bullwark and I was like, this
(51:58):
is there's just something so cowardly and unseemly about the
whole thing. Here is from that same milieu, Anna Navarro,
and listen to what she said about black musicians who
support Trump play twenty two.
Speaker 10 (52:13):
The thing that really I think was spotlighting Snoop is
because of the things that Snoop Dogg said ten days
before the inaugural in twenty seventeen. And so look, if
you opposed and stood up against Trump in twenty seventeen,
but you were there now, if you spoke up against
Trump January seventh, twenty twenty one, but you were there
(52:34):
now applauding him like a trained seal. Donald Trump has
not changed, You've changed.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, I just want to know. You know, she can
do this all day long, but Clay, they don't have
the cultural power to shame anybody anymore who wants to
be pro Trump. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I also think what she's saying is one hundred percent wrong.
Trump has spoken to the country and convinced them that
many of his arguments are correct. And also many of you.
I bet there are I bet there are a million
people that will listen today's showbuck who did not vote
Trump in twenty sixteen, And I mean, you have come along.
(53:13):
I didn't vote Trump in twenty sixteen. I voted libertarian.
I've said that before. I wasn't sold on what Trump
was selling in twenty sixteen. Some of you, from the
moment he came down the escalator, you've been like Trump
is the savior, He's the greatest politician. He's given voice
to some of my concerns.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
But everybody has come to voting for Trump at different times.
I continue to meet tons of people Buck out publicly.
They come up to me and they say, hey, I
listened to you and Buck, I never voted for Trump
in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. By twenty four I saw
what you were talking about. I'm convinced. I meet those
people almost every single day when I'm out in the public.
(53:49):
I just met a couple of them at the inauguration.
Came up to me and said, I am at the
ball tonight. I not only voted for Trump, I donated.
I became convinced that his arguments were correct because of
what I saw. So when she's saying, hey, if you
were opposed to Trump in twenty seventeen, you can't support
him in twenty four I actually fundamentally disagree. I think
Trump has been proven to be right about a lot,
(54:11):
and that's why he got twelve million more votes in
twenty twenty four than he did in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Maybe two handsome and charming guys are a great bridge
for some people to Trump is them. I'm just throwing
it out there, you know, maybe.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Sanity in general. I think we're speaking to a lot
of people that don't feel spoken to. And so I
think not only is Annon Navarro wrong to your point
to try to shame like Snoop Dogg or Nelly or
whoever they are for performing or Carrie Underwood at the
Trump inauguration, but more importantly, I actually think her argument
is super flawed because there are twelve million people at
(54:49):
least that didn't vote Trump in sixteen that voted Trump
in twenty four. Like, that's a big cadre of people
that have looked around and said, you know, I actually
agree with what he's selling.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
It would be it's saying, it would be logical argument,
as I see it, for anyone to say, you know,
I wasn't sold or whatever. Fine, you know, I didn't
feel like he did what he was supposed to do
in the first four years, but Biden was such a
disaster and so bad for the country that I realized
the error of my ways, and now I'm maga all
(55:21):
the way. That's not a storyline that, you know, befuddles me. Also,
it's not even just Trump. I think a lot of
people got a misguided version of Trump because they trusted
the legacy media. And so I don't think it's coincidental
that as Trump has risen, the trust in legacy media
has collapsed. And a lot of people out there listening
(55:41):
to us right now they might have bought into the
very fine people Charlottesville hoax. They might have bought into
the oh, he's a Nazi because they weren't really paying attention.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
And then once you see one of those stories is untrue,
it really forces you to re examine some of your
prior beliefs. And I think that's what happened with over
ten million people between sixteen and twenty four.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
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Com News and politics, but also a little comic relief.
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Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. As we roll through the
Wednesday edition of the program, I am back in Nashville.
Buck has traveled back home for a short period of
time before he's on the road again. Trump continues to dominate,
having hit the ground at a full on sprint, as
(00:23):
he is continuing to remake the country and to a
large extent, erase much of the legacy of the entire
Biden regime. All of that rolling through as many of
us look around and think, I can't believe how quickly
he is moving, But my goodness, I am glad that
(00:46):
all of this is being put in place. And frankly,
many of the things that Trump is undertaking even kind
of surprise me. And then I look at them and
I say, my goodness. I mean, he's actually act in
a way that demonstrates he's not screwing around. He hasn't
gotten into office so far and gotten bogged down in
(01:09):
any of the petty issues out there. And Buck, this
new EO that he has put out that essentially says, hey,
if you're involved in DEI at all, then you are
out now again. A lot of this is going to
lead to substantial litigation, and we have to understand that.
(01:31):
And I know it's frustrating to some of you, because
the courts are going to weigh in, and you're going
to have a district court judge and a random location
out there somewhere that comes out and says, oh, the
President doesn't have this authority, and then it's going to
go to a circuit court, and then it's going to
wind its way all the way to the Supreme Court.
But the symbolism of something as profound as saying, hey,
(01:57):
DEI has no basis whatsoever in our government actually sends
an incredible message across the country and it forces many
different big corporations out there, and many of you that
have been forced to be sitting around for these ridiculous
DEI seminars as part of your HR training. No matter
(02:18):
where you work, whether it's a public school, whether it's
a large corporation, if the federal government is saying this
is no longer the rule of the land, a lot
of these companies that may have recognized that this is
absurd and should have had no basis in reality for
a long time feel emboldened and enabled to be able
(02:40):
to stand up and say enough with this good riddance,
And it actually does, even if it's held up in court,
have a substantial impact on the day to day life
of tens of millions of Americans. Which is why I
say I love the incredible bravery that Trump is showing
right now to stand up against all this absurdity. I
(03:02):
think he believes it. I think he's been put in
place an incredible team to be able to enforce it,
put the best regulations forward for the Supreme Court to review.
I can't get enough of this buck. I imagine you
feel the same way, Clay.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's amazing. It's difficult to even keep up with all
the great stuff that has been happening this early in
an administration. I've never seen any I've never seen anything
like it before. I don't think anyone's ever seen anything
like it before. You know, there used to be this sense,
I think of you got to kind of ease in
a little bit, you know, But no, actually there's no
(03:38):
easing in. There's a sense of urgency. You know. When
I went out for kind of a special occasion dinner
in New York at this fancy restaurer, I remember up.
It was a Thomas Keller place up on the wall.
The one thing they had was sense of urgency. Because
these guys are operating in the culinary game at the
absolute top, world class level. This administration has a sense
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of urgency, hitting the ground running clay. Let me just
throw I'm throwing this out there. It's like the menu
of things we would talking about today. I mean, you
got to that. The DEI thing is amazing. I mean
Trump rescinding Executive Order eleven two four six from Lyndon
Johnson and making sure that that Affirmative Action DEI it's
no longer part of the federal government. There's other stuff.
(04:23):
Trump administration has canceled travel plans for refugees who are
who were planning to be resettled in the United States.
State Department issues a one flag policy. This is one
of those things where you say, in what world should
any administration at a US embassy abroad be flying a
(04:44):
flag other than our flag? And just to be clear,
it's not like we were flying the flag of the
It's not about flying the flag of the host country.
Also as some kind of a gesture of goodwill, we're
talking about gay pride flags, black Lives Matter flags, you know,
left wing idea, A lot flags flying from embassies under
the Bide administration. That's done with Trump administration expanding the
(05:05):
authority of immigration agents, allowing them to make arrests at
previously protected sites such as schools and churches. President Trump
pardoning Ross William Ulbrich, the Silk Road Dark Web marketplace
founder McClay. It's just coming at us fast and furious
with all this stuff. And I think that what we're
(05:28):
seeing is the president that we were hoping for coming
out of the kinds of character and mindset defining experiences
that we saw over the course of the election campaign,
with the prosecutions, with the attempt at assassinations. I mean,
(05:50):
this Trump is going for it, and this is what
we want. This is what we've voted for, and it
is just the beginning, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And what I still would point to is buck the
opposition can't get itself in order because they are just
falling all over themselves. I legitimately can't believe that of
everything that took place over the Trump inauguration and of
the first couple of days of actions, that they have
(06:20):
decided that the thing that they want to go and
die on this hill. Is Elon Musk supposedly doing a
Nazi gesture when any of you that have watched this
clip is self evident that he is awkwardly, I will
acknowledge because I do think in some ways Elon Musk
(06:40):
is an uncomfortable public speaker. And for any of you
out there that have not regularly talked in front of
thousands of people, which is most of the American public,
you may watch yourself speaking and say, boy, that doesn't
look anything like I ordinarily would. So he's trying to
say from the bottom of my heart, and he taps
his heart and he kind of just throws his hand
out in gesture, clearly to the entire arena awkwardly. But
(07:04):
to claim that this is some kind of Nazi salute
is so crazy. I can't believe that this is their messaging. Buck,
this is what they have immediately fallen into.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
They're desperate, they're delusional. Just take a step back from
this for a second, Clay, all of us take a
step back from this. So their theory now is that
the richest man in the world randomly would decide to
throw a Nazi salute into a speech. Why because he's
a secret Nazi. They really believe that. Anyone who believes
(07:37):
that is a moron. And I know we shouldn't use
we shouldn't call people names. I get emails. No, anyone
who thinks that Elon Musk is a secret crypto Nazi
because of that is an imbecile who should be listened
to about nothing Like Congressoman Aos for example, she's an idiot,
by the way, I take it back. They can't make
(07:58):
her into a bigger deal. They wish they could. She's
too dumb. She's too dumb, and she's not even.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Of your speaking about how dumb she is. This is
their messaging. They've learned nothing from the last nine years.
They've learned nothing by the massive increase of support for
Jewish voters for Trump, or for the fact that due
to the college campus protest, if you're going to assign
anti Semitism to either the Democrat or the Republican Party,
(08:28):
it's clearly more prominent on the Democratic side of the equation.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Here she is social media superstar who also happens to
be a Democrat Member of Congress AOC and unfortunately is
one of the lowest IQ individuals in the Congress. Here
she is saying that Elon Musk made a Nazi hand gesture.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Play eight, you're gonna do a sig hail. You're going
to do a hail Hitler or their rebrand a Roman
salute from behind the presidential seal of the United States
of America. It's on. It's on. And what is so
(09:10):
important for us to understand is that as long as
we don't give up, it's not over. It's not over.
It is not over.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Sorry, I thought she was over with this. She's more
to give us more. We need more of them being
completely childish imbeciles. We need them to keep doing this
stuff that got us to this point where so much
of the country is unified. In just taking out the
(09:43):
Trump steamroller and the whine, the usual tricks, you'll notice,
you know, I saw, for example, someone who you know,
in a a would be illegal, who was actually at
the border waiting to come in. On the app they
were sharing the Scott widely share. She starts crying because
she can't come in. Yes, we're gonna have to say
tough things to people sometimes. Yes, we're going to have
to say you actually can't come into the country. Okay,
(10:05):
you have a country that you were born in. That
is your country of origin and nationality and citizenship. Go
make that country a better place. We've had enough of
this ten million under Biden. Okay, the old moral blackmail
stuff clay from the media and the Democrats. We don't care.
It's not working.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Also, I think this is indicative to your point of
how AOC rose to prominence. She rode a rigged social
media ecosystem and a rigged legacy media that would give
her an artificial sense of the popularity of the opinions
she was sharing. And this is they don't have any
(10:44):
idea how to adjust. I've said this, but last month
I was in Israel to claim that prominent Trump supporters
are Nazis. They tried this with Trump. It didn't work
that you would suggest that. What this reminds me. You
remember when they decided the Oka hand gester.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was just thinking about that, didn't they They got
like a Mexican American fired from his power line company
or something because someone took a photo of his hand
outside of a door at a red light.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, you remember, for most people out there, and I'm
doing the gesture on camera here, it was like if
you got somebody to look at that you could punch
him in the arm, right.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
But here, yeah, but here's yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So the culture that was going on, but it was
like they got people fired. They called it a racist
hand gesture on television. They showed it at the Army
Navy game. I mean, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But this is such an important reminder because they don't
have the power anymore to get their way with this stuff.
We lived in an America not long ago, a few
years ago, before this election, before twenty twenty five. We
lived in America where Democrats could decide the most insane
(11:57):
crap imaginable and you would suffer for it. They would
decide that men could be women. They would decide that
a random hand gesture that has nothing to do with
anything means you're a secret white supremacist. They would say
that Donald Trump is a crypto fascist who's going to
put people in camps clay. They could get away with
saying anything, and you know, it's a reminder also of
(12:19):
the era where they could just call someone racist and
ruin them not anymore, not anymore, or it doesn't it
doesn't work anymore. They're stupid games. They're communist approach to
the society around them. It just doesn't have the same
doesn't have the same punch. Sorry, libs.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I will say this is to me really representative of
them not being able to figure out how to fight
back against Trump. That they think that going after Elon
Musk for a gesture during a speech is going to
in some way imperil his abilits. That's what that's is
really about, right, It's about imperiling Trump's ability to get
things done. They are woefully misguided, and actually I encourage
(12:57):
them to continue down this path of stupidity.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Agree, And here's one more thing. I'll at it and
we'll take some of your calls on this as well.
Eight hundred two A two to eight A two you
know that number? Light us up, want to say calls today?
Yesterday I was having some tech issues, so the calls
I couldn't really get to, uh clay. Notice how what
they're not saying is we've learned something about what the
American people want, and we the Democrat Party want to
(13:20):
pursue better governance and policies that will make people's lives safer,
more prosperous, and more free, or any variation of that.
You know why they're not saying it because one they
don't believe in it, and two they can't because the
Democrat Party has been overtaken at the top level by idiots. Honestly,
(13:42):
these are not impressive people, they're not smart people, they
are not good people. And that's why the opposition is
you're you're a crypto racist, Nazi or whatever you're you know,
that's why they're pretending elon musk. Give me a break.
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Speaker 1 (15:24):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the Wednesday edition of the program. Back in the
home studios for at least a day. Buck's about to
have to travel across country uh later tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But come find me at Shot show. Guys. I've never
been before, So some of you who know it well
can show me around and we'll high five and.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Maybe we'll get in Las Vegas. You're gonna be in
Las Vegas starting tomorrow's and anyone who knows shot show
knows Vegas, Baby Vegas, Baby Vegas. So Buck, we'll be
flying there tomorrow, will be doing the show there tomorrow.
But I wanted to hit this because I do think
it's significant, and you brought it up, and I know
many of you may be hearing this discussion point, and
I think it's supremely important. The pardon power. Let me
(16:08):
give you an example. Joe Biden pardoned Hunter after Hunter
had been convicted of crimes and or pled guilty to
crimes involving guns and tax related failure to pay. I
and both Buck and I said, hey, we expect Hunter
to get pardon. Nobody hardly in the media was telling
(16:31):
you that Biden lied and said he wasn't going to
do it. We told you we expect him to pardon Hunter.
You may not agree with it. I said, as a dad,
if I were president in the United States, I would
pardon my son. I understand some of you disagree with that,
but if I felt like he was being politically targeted
because of me, and I had that power. I'm not
(16:51):
letting my son go to prison. Some of you may disagree.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's really more of a parenting philosophy than anything else.
But that is the essence of the part in power. Now, yes,
Joe Biden personally benefits, and ideally the part in power
would be based on principle. For instance, when Biden pardoned
a lot of the federal death Row inmates, although he
(17:16):
left out three, which undercuts the principle there. If you
are opposed to the death penalty, then there is a
principled stand associated with giving a pardon in that respect.
But in all of those cases, an individual was charged, prosecuted, convicted,
and either faced a punishment or would face a punishment.
(17:38):
That is what the pardon power is for. That is
what happened with all the jan six defendants. You can
agree or disagree with Trump's decision, but those individuals have
all been charged, prosecuted, many of them have served time,
and Trump decided I'm going to pardon the vast majority
of them.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
One of the reasons that the infamous and even Eric
Holder who signed off on it, because there's a process.
The president can just do it, but there's usually kind
of a consent process or a i should say, administrative
process around the president for some of these pardons. Mark
Rich signed off on Bill Clinton's I'm sorry. Eric Holder
signed off on Bill Clinton's pardon of Mark Rich. And
(18:20):
the reason that that was so outrageous to people. Mark
Rich's wife, by the way, it was very wealthy, making
huge donations to Democrats, so it felt like just the
whole thing was a straight up payoff. He fled after indictment.
He went to Switzerland, so he evaded justice. He didn't
even have the respect of an American to face the
(18:43):
justice system. And that was why klay So people were like, oh,
so he goes to Switzerland and gets off entirely, And
that is what happened, and he.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Had the wealth to be able to do it, which
is why it seems particularly unseemly. Now what Biden did
for his family and Anthony foul and the jan six
committee members is truly without precedent. He gave them a
clean get out of jail free card. In the case
of Fauci and his family in particular, dating all the
(19:13):
way back to twenty fourteen. We have never seen no
charges brought, no investigations really of a substantial nature by
the Department of Justice that we know of underway here,
and he just gave them blanket pardon immunity, in particular
on the in the case of his own brothers and sisters.
(19:34):
That was something that protects Biden himself. Also, I don't
think it's constitutional. I question whether you can just give
a floating get out of jail free card for a
decade's activity when we don't even know what the the
preemptive pardon concept. And so this is big. There's a
(19:55):
big difference between what Biden did with preemptive pardons and
whether you agree or disagree with it what Biden did
say with Hunter Biden or with the death row inmates,
or what Trump did with the January sixth individuals. That
is the standard method by which pardon goes and is
used historically in the United States. Biden's use of it
(20:17):
to protect his family members members is expansive and I
think actually unconstitutional, and.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Well, it also goes to the corruption of the very
top of the government, right, That's something and they were
very clear when Trump was president the last time that
it would be an egregious miscarriage of justice and a
misuse of the pardon power. If Trump pardoned himself or
any of his family members. They're all go to CNN,
(20:44):
go to MSNBC. They are all on the record saying
that you can watch the videos because they're just all frauds.
It's just they're whatever helps their team is good, Whatever
hurts the other team is good. They don't care about
any actual principle, right, So that's been very clearly established here, Clay.
But for these jen six individuals, the way that I mean,
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I just think this is one of the biggest misrepresentations
of it. The way that they speak about this over
at MSNBC. It's like, oh, you know, like these guys
didn't face anything for what they There were people whose
lives were ruined for tress pass. Yes, okay, you know
who else is trespassing? All the illegal aliens, They are
(21:25):
trespassing on the soil of the United States. They are
illegally present here, and no one's saying they should have
their life destroyed and thrown in prison for years, or
at least that's not what people are saying. They're saying
they should go back to their home countries. So it's
it's amazing and dishonest on just such an epic level
to watch these different and some of them are also
(21:48):
people that are kind of never Trump former Republicans, like, oh,
this is so horrible what he did. It's been years.
These people were all prosecuted more vigorously than anybody else
you can think of for the same con and it's
because they decided. The exacerbating factor that made every one
of these cases so much worse was that it was
(22:08):
on behalf of Donald Trump, and it rejected Joe Biden's
six million. Really interesting that whole vote situation. It called
it into question, and that was their real crime, not
allowing the regime to just steamroll everybody who had questions.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Also, and this is the other part I think is significant.
If you are out there and you don't agree with
the pardon of the January sixth individuals, I do. I've
argued for it. We've argued for it for some time
on this show. To a large extent. What I would
say to all of you is, compare how the jan
sixth individuals were treated compared to all the BLM protesters
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if you want to argue, and I think we should
have this as the standard that Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian,
whatever your political philosophy is, that if you break the law, trespass,
engage in violence, loute, whatever it is, you should be prosecuted.
I agree with that, But you should be prosecuted exactly
(23:13):
the same regardless of what your political background is. Most
of the BOM protesters nationwide, certainly in Washington, d C,
got virtually no punishments at all, and they threw the
book at all of the jan six. So even if
you don't really like the pardon book, the disparate treatment
is an injustice in itself because it's political in nature.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And they brought all of these in DC because of
the rigged jury pool of Trump hating Democrat leftists who
are overwhelmingly benefiting from the federal leviathan in one way
or another, being based in DC, and that they weren't
given a fair trial. The judges railroaded them, did not
(23:55):
allow for change of venue for example. Why that's a
standard thing in any trials. Hey, guys, I think the jury,
of course, the jury in Washington, d C, which is
ninety four percent Democrat, is going to be unfair to
Trump supporters given the politics surrounding their prosecutions. Not a
single one of them was allowed to have their trial
(24:16):
moved outside of the DC jurisdiction to another venue because
it was all about having a machinery of destruction of
these individuals. I just add this claim. I mean, we
could do a lot of these comparisons. One example, though,
is remember the guy who fabricated evidence in the FISA
(24:38):
application against I think it was a carter page. Remember
the guy who and he did it, I mean he
changed evidence. He's a government lawyer. He made something disappear
to get that warrant to go after Trump. Clearly violated
the law. You know what his punishment was by the
DC jury? Nothing nothing. Guy walked without any anything happening.
(25:00):
Why because he was a soldier for the left and
they knew it.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Idea going forward, and I have said this before, and
I'm going to text some of the guys that could
potentially make this happen. It is a rigged jury system
in Washington, DC that Democrats have exploited because to your point,
it's a ninety four percent Democrat jurisdiction. To my knowledge, Buck,
there is no Republican area that votes as strongly Republican.
(25:29):
As Washington d C votes Democrat, since it's the seat
of the federal government, that is an incredible asset. I
actually think it's very fair and should happen that if
you are charged with federal crimes, you should be able
to relocate those federal charges to also your home jurisdiction
(25:52):
if you so choose. In other words, if somebody wanted
to bring charges against me in Washington, d C. Instead
of me having to stand trial in Washington, d C.
With the jury pool that advantages Democrats, given what I
do for a living, probably is not going to be
that fairly disposed to me. I should be able to
(26:12):
relocate that case to my home state of Tennessee and
my home jurisdiction of the Nashville area and allow a
true jury of my peers here. In the event that
I were charged with the crime that would be me specifically,
you would be able to relocate something to Miami Dade.
Anybody who has charges brought against them. I think there
(26:32):
should be a law passed. The Republicans could pass it
right now. I think it would be tremendously beneficial for
lawfair because one of the motivating factors of the lawfair Buck,
is that Democrats don't have to worry about the your
jurisdiction in Washington, d C. They have an advantage. They
basically have a home field advantage for every game that
(26:54):
they want to bring. All I'm asking is, hey, give
an opportunity to someone like me or you or any
someone else in the country to actually be charged in
a home jurisdiction as opposed to DC.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is just an aside, but our conversation about this
reminds me of it.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
What a.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Clown Jack Smith is. Oh, it's hard to believe how
much put aside the egregious weaponization right the art, but
it's also that he was so incompetent with the timing
of all of this, and that it was so blatant
with the jurisdiction shopping that he did, and just all
(27:32):
of it was so clearly manipulated and orchestrated to rig
the system against Trump, and it was all for nothing.
In fact, I actually think that it propelled Donald Trump
to just be the choice without even a real primary
having to happen, and then normal Americans who aren't insane
because of Trump's arrangement just said, yeah, no, we're making
(27:53):
a president again Buck.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Also, you know who didn't get a preemptive pardon, Jack Smith?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Jack Smith.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I think Biden's actually angry about how Jack Smith did
his job, and not giving him a pardon on the
way out was his way to demonstrate that anger about
the way that process went down. I think he believes
I think he's wrong, but I think he believes that
if Merrick Garland had brought the case faster, that Trump
would have stood trial, and if Trump had had to
(28:21):
stay on trial for Jan six or related incidents, then
it would have actually damaged him. I don't know that
I buy that as being true, but I think that's
one of the things that Biden is holding to as
he left. And if you wonder whether that's true or not,
just look at who we've pardoned and who he didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
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Our two Clayan Buck kicks off now, and we know
that the presidents has come out with a slew of
executive orders, so many of them are fantastic. I love
the only American flags flying at MSC's the left. And
people can try to dismiss this stuff as cosmetic or
minor or whatever it's it's not minor because it's all
(29:56):
part of an ideology that had been allowed to fest stir,
particularly in the federal government, that you can push your
pet projects at different government buildings because it's for you know,
oppressed people or something or whatever it may be, and
that's just not that's not okay. I think it was
all should all be considered that it was violations of
(30:18):
the Hatch Act, but put that aside for a moment.
They say, oh, it's not about a political party. Yeah
it is. Actually, yeah, it is okay when you're talking
about something like BLM. One side of the political aisle
supported it, even though it's resulted in thousands and thousands
more people killed than nothing good came of it. The
other side has opposed it. Now. The border, though, is
(30:38):
where the rubber really meets the road on this administration,
and we're just seeing the beginning of it. Immigrations and
Customs Enforcement arrested three hundred and eight. Oh oh, we're
going to call them legal aliens again in the federal government,
and we've continue to call them legal aliens. The the
worst of these, I think euphemisms is undocumented. That's the
(31:02):
one that's particularly annoying because what does that even mean.
It really doesn't tell you anything other than, oh, maybe
if we just made them, if we gave them documents,
then everything would be fun. Three hundred and eight illegal
illegal aliens were arrested Trump's first day in office, according
to the Borders are we'll get to this here, Tom Homan,
(31:24):
what he's been doing in just a moment. But these
are people that have been charged with murder, child rape,
pain his crimes. They're illegals and they're still in the country.
I mean, they've done horrible things in America and we're
still letting them roam this country as though it's no
big deal. I mean, this is these are the public
safety threats that they said they were going to focus
on first. That's not to say there's not going to
(31:44):
be a whole other range of deportations as well. Trump
has deployed fifteen hundred active duty troops to the border
to help with securing the border, So that's a part
of this. There's been a huge drop off in illegal
crossings at the border. Play you have the number, handy
what was It's gone from over ten.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Thousand, thousand, yeah, twelve thousand in the final two days
of Biden to under eight hundred in the first two
days of Trump. So what is that like a ninety
some odd percent decline in the number of illegal border
crossings just since Trump came into office.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So this is really encouraging and Tom this this was
an interesting moment though, Tom Holman explaining to Dana Bash
that yes, the Trump administration is going to enforce federal
immigration law and that means that if you are in
(32:46):
the country illegally and ICE finds you, you are subject
to deportation. This is like a shock to see Ann
that the law is actually the law, and some people
might see it that way. Listen to how Borders are
Homan was one of my favorite of the Trump senior
administration officials. I mean, he's like tops, He's an all
star among a star team. But here he is explaining
(33:09):
patiently to CNN. Yeah, that's actually what I'm saying. Play.
This is cut three, and.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
This is a difference between the last administration this administration.
ICE is going to force the immigration law. There's nothing
in the I in a Immigration Nationality Act says you
got to be convicted of a serious crime in order
to be removed from this country. So there's gonna be
more collabal arrest in Santori cities could because they forced
us to go in the community and find and find
the guy we're looking for.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
The first she said that the first targets are those
with criminal records. But you are also saying that those
who are undocumented in the US who don't have criminal records,
people who are working in their communities, maybe even have
spouses who are American citizens, they could be swept up
with ICE today as well.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
What I'm telling you is when we go find that
priority tiger, which is a criminal alien, if he's with
others in the United States illegally, we're going to take
enforcement action against them. We're going to force immigration.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Law Clay what he's what he was saying, and the
run up to this explanation as well is because sanctuary
jurisdictions don't want to have law enforcement, just work with
federal law enforcement on this. Meaning you're in the county jail, okay,
now you're gonna get handed over to ICE. That's the
safest and best way Homan was explaining for that transfer
(34:21):
to happen, and obviously most efficient as well, because they
say no, they intentionally let them loose in the community.
If the if an illegal who's committed a let's say,
a rape or a murder is found in a house
with five other illegals by ICE, all of them are
subject to deportation. Yeah, and I would just point out
Dana Dana sorry, I never get it right, Uh, Dana Bash, Sorry,
(34:47):
Dana Perino, Dana Bash that a lot of this aggressive
questioning is this is CNN, right, Am I correct that
this was the CNN interview. The there is it, I
believe and again and you guys can correct me if
I'm wrong. Democrats picked Dana Bash to interview Kamala Harris,
(35:09):
remember Tim Walls, the sort of the Lifeguard weird interview
that they did, And then they went back and they
looked at how Dana Bash questioned in this situation, the
JD vance versus how she questioned Walls and Kamala, and
the disconnect was striking. She is one going after him
(35:32):
far more aggressively than she has in the past for
Democrat officials. And two, it doesn't seem like she has
really done much of her homework here to be sitting
down and interviewing somebody who is an expert in this
and you know this, Buck, it's a challenge. Warriors have
to deal with this a lot because let's say you're
(35:53):
a lawyer and you're involved in a medical malpractice case.
You're grilling a surgeon on something that he or she
does for a living, and they know their expertise so
well that you have to basically become a doctor in
order to ask questions intelligently. Here, there's no homework that's
been done, there is it. It's like it's just a
(36:16):
partisan attack, and he's just kind of slapping back these
questions because they aren't particularly sophisticated or intelligent in terms
of the way that they're being used to sort of
get at this issue. Now, there's also been the change
in how some Democrats view the illegal alien issue. You know,
(36:40):
Tucker Carlson is a very big podcast, and he sat
down with now sat down with Mayor Eric Adams. We've asked,
We're still going to keep asking. He sat down to
have him on. But New York City's Mayor Eric Adams
spoke about what the up to this election Democrat party
required of people the issue of illegal aliens. And listen
(37:02):
to this from a prominent Democrat.
Speaker 8 (37:05):
I think they used the terminology you were not being
a good Democrat. I think that was their philosophy that
I was supposed to silently watch what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
To this city. And I love this city.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
This is a city that I gave my life to
protect and I was.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Watching the erosion.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
We would get in almost eight thousand migrans and asylum
seekers a week, sixteen thousand every two weeks, and we
were being compelled by the Legal Aid Society to find
them housing within a short period of time until we
had to go back to court and fight that this
humanitarian crisis is not what is normally. Someone has in
the right to have shelter within the city, and they
(37:44):
were coming in one, two, three am in the morning.
It was a constant overturn.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Major cost in New Yorkers. Clay and Democrat prominent African
American leader Eric Adams has said this was disastrous. And
Eric Adams is in I think an interesting position here.
Let's play cut seven to where he says the Democrat
Party left me. He is the mayor of the largest
(38:14):
Democrat majority city in America, and here's cut seven.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
The people off to say, well, you know, you don't
sound like a Democrat and you know you seem to
have left the party. No, the party left me and
then left working class people in our conversations that we
should be talking about are not the issues that every
day people that are in power talking about people are
concerned about the future of their families, and that should
(38:39):
be our focus, and that's the focus of this administration.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Buck This to me, is probably going to be the
most interesting election in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I know, he just came through an election and Trump
had incredible success with growing his Asian, his Black, his
Hispanic support. But to me, we'll see whether Cuomo jumps
into this race. Eric Adams seems to be intent on
running for reelection. I know we've got the governor's race
(39:10):
in New Jersey and the governor's race in Virginia, and
those are very important. But what you're seeing here is
some of the traditional Democrat core base is rejecting now
the lies that Democrats are requiring them to tell. And
this is sort of a conflict, right. We've seen this
happen in Chicago, We've seen it happen in New York City.
(39:32):
A lot of these big cities are saying, wait a minute,
we don't have the resources to take care of actual
citizens and give them the right opportunities in these cities.
And now you're telling me we need to be spending
tax dollars on migrants, that we need to be giving
them hotel rooms, Wi FI free meals all these things,
and there is a conflict between people who may need
those resources, overwhelmingly black and brown in those cities, right,
(39:55):
a lot of white people need it too, but Hispanic
and black citizens feel like, hey, we're not getting the
resources in support we need in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, LA.
And suddenly we're seeing all these migrants get treated better
than actual citizens. And I think you're gonna see an
element of that become a major part of New York
(40:15):
City's mayoral race in this spring, summer and fall as
it moves towards election day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Just think about it. If you're somebody who's an actual
American and a New Yorker and you're falling on hard
times and you have to go and prove you know
all these different things to get benefits, whether you know
unemployment benefits and housing benefits, in these things. New York
City has a very large welfare and benefits apparatus. But
(40:45):
you're going through all those hoops and everything else, and
then you look over and you see, hold on a second,
So people just come here illegally, who have never paid
taxes here, who are not Americans here, and they get
free housing, free food, and pre loaded debit cards. And
I'm paying for this, or at least theoretically, you know,
when I'm working my job, my portion of my wages
is going to fund the City of New York, and
(41:06):
so I'm paying for this. Lee At some point, Clay,
it's too much, and we crossed at some point, and
that's what Eric Adams is speaking to it, and I
think it's it's indicative of the country's mindset on this.
We were, Our goodness and our sense of charity as
a nation has been just abused systematically by the millions
(41:31):
and millions who came across, specifically during Biden. There's others
who have come across too, done the same thing. But
ten million people is too many, you know, enough is enough.
The wide open border policies of Biden have made the
American people see that this is a scam, it's wrong,
and it needs to stop. And I'm happy to see
(41:51):
that Trump is hitting the ground running on this issue,
among many others. So I'm gonna have been in three
different cities this week, and they're not close to each other,
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Speaker 2 (43:01):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. I mentioned
this to you yesterday. I wanted to dive into it
with play right now, not not because we want to
give more time to it per se, but I think
that it's indicative of a broader attitude and it is
something that for me at least, is a big part
(43:22):
of why the Democrats lost as badly as they did
and don't seem to be learning any lessons from that loss.
And it's this yesterday, this bishop who decided that it
was time to lecture Donald Trump and his family and
(43:47):
also the gathered vice president's family. Do we have her
going on the view? Guys? I just realized, I'm at
a tweeter. We do, Okay, So so this is this
is what what you gotta know. This person is an
act a political activist, doing what she does in clergy robes,
doing it from behind the facade of religious purity, which
(44:12):
I find very annoying, Okay, especially because I would disagree strenuously.
I don't think that the Bible was supportive of transgender
surgery for twelve year olds. Okay, I don't buy it.
I'm sorry, she can try to lecture me otherwise. I
don't think the Bible means that you also don't have
to respect the rules of the or the laws of
(44:33):
the land that you are in. So I don't think
that illegal immigration is something that the Bible just says
you have to. But put that aside for a second.
I don't want Trump getting lectured by some left wing activists.
And how do we know she's a left wing activist.
She's a long history of it, Big George Floyd fan,
by the way, you know Saint George Floyd, of course,
canonized by left wing bishops, et cetera all over the country.
(44:56):
And she went on the view last or today? Was
it today? Yeah? Today, to make it very clear to
everybody where she stands play it.
Speaker 9 (45:05):
Unity requires a certain degree of mercy, mercy and compassion
and understanding, and so knowing that a lot of people,
as I said, in our country right now, are really scared,
I wanted to take the opportunity, in the context of
that of service for unity, to say we need to
(45:29):
treat everyone with dignity and we need to be merciful
and to I was trying to counter the narrative that
is so so divisive and polarizing and in which people,
real people are being are being harmed.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
You know, Clay, why can't you tell the people that
are so scared and everyone's so scared, stop being such
a lunatic. Don't be scared. It's fine, okay. And if
you break the law, well then you're breaking the law.
But you know, Trump is not not unmerciful to the
American people. This whole premise is insane.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yeah, you can't be the person who causes someone to
be afraid and then claim that you need to address
the narrative for why those people are afraid. You can't
be both the cause of and uh and and and
and then claim that you have the solution for a
problem that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
First of all, let's let's let's actually be clear here.
Trump was the first president to ever enter office supportive
of gay rights and gay marriage. Okay, no one wants
to talk about it because Barack Obama's supposed to be
a saint, and because Hillary Clinton is supposed to be
(46:48):
a saint and all these They actually ran opposed to
gay marriage, they got elected, and it wasn't until double reelection.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Buck, It wasn't told double
reelection that Barack Obama suddenly came out and said, hey,
by the way, I support gay marriage. And if I
remember this correctly, I think Joe Biden actually stepped all
(47:11):
over his announcement because he went on like the Today
Show and did it before Barack Obama, did you know,
because he's Joe Biden, And whether that was intentional or not,
it actually took away some of the impact of Obama
saying it right. Wasn't Obama like fourteen or thirteen or
something like that. After double reelection he suddenly said, hey,
(47:31):
I support gay marriage. This was already decided, the Supreme
Court had already ruled. Trump said, hey, I'm not going
to oppose this. So this has always been a strange
line of attack. And I'm not saying you're wrong. If
you're opposed to this, make it clear. I'm just saying,
of all the things you could go after Trump on,
does he's not supportive enough of gay people? Is not
(47:53):
in the line of attack that I would embark on.
This is I think you hit on something really important.
And I know a lot of the Trump team listens
to us on a regular basis. Here's what I would say.
Do not be a slave to tradition when it allows
someone like this, who is a far left wing political
(48:16):
activist to get up at a rostrum and criticize the president,
the vice president directly like this. There are many ministers,
there are many priests out there. If you want to
demonstrate the importance of faith on the day after inauguration day, Buck,
I think this is a usual thing. Go to a
(48:37):
service to pray for the country. There are tons of
people out there that would love the opportunity to address
the nation, that have an important message and would have
done so without being hectoring left wing activist in the
point of their delivery. Does that make sense? Like, there
are a lot of people we could give a platform
(48:58):
two of all different religious faith backgrounds that would love
the opportunity to speak to the president vice president hear
their message. Don't be a slave to tradition. You know
this person, you know what she's going to do. Let's
find somebody else and deliver a message that's more unifying
from a religious background. If that's the intent.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, I thought it was disrespectful and exactly unfortunately what
you would expect from somebody who holds the political beliefs
that this person does. I would just note, you know,
I wonder where she stands on the obsession with abortion
the Democrat Party has she's supposed to be a member
of the Christian clergy and episcopal I don't even know
(49:41):
where the Episcopalian Church stands on that stuff. My dad's episcopal.
It's always funny in my house. My mom is Catholic.
My dad's a Piscopelia, but he just comes to has
spent my entire adult life going to Catholic services with us.
So anyway, I don't know where the Episcopalian Church stands
on these things. I'm not sure the Episcopalian Church knows
where it stands on some of this too.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I also think by the way your point the argument
of hey, the Bible has a really specific take on
current political controversy like trans related issues. Again, like the
Bible is an incredible work. We don't need to try
(50:20):
to constrain one of the parts of the Bible to claim, Oh,
this specifically dealt with whether trans people should be able
to have surgeries when they're twelve years old to change
their gender. Let's be a little bit honest. I'm uncomfortable
with the idea of anyone trying to do something like that.
(50:43):
Does that make sense? And so I really think there
are a lot of great religious leaders out there that
are desperate to have their message reach the public. And
when you allow someone like this to give them the
platform and now the views got them on buck, I
would just tell them, let's be to the Trump team.
Let's don't walk our guys into over the middle where
(51:03):
you know they're going to get decked by someone that
the vast majority of Americans don't like and isn't actually
representative of most religious figures in the country.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yes, I think that's a good a good way, a
good way to put it. And then we get to
the another comment on the view, Clay, I wanted to
throw in your direction here. Oh no, Anna Navarro, who
I think was an independent now is she is. She's
a former Republican. And I've always thought that there was
(51:36):
there was the saddest category of political commentators for the
last eight years has been have been those Republicans who
make a living pretending like trading on their former Republican
is to trash Republicans, right, I mean, this is the
Lincoln Project and the Bullwark and I was like, this
(51:58):
is there's just something so cowardly and unseemly about the
whole thing. Here is from that same milieu, Anna Navarro,
and listen to what she said about black musicians who
support Trump play twenty two.
Speaker 10 (52:13):
The thing that really I think was spotlighting Snoop is
because of the things that Snoop Dogg said ten days
before the inaugural in twenty seventeen. And so look, if
you opposed and stood up against Trump in twenty seventeen,
but you were there now, if you spoke up against
Trump January seventh, twenty twenty one, but you were there
(52:34):
now applauding him like a trained seal. Donald Trump has
not changed, You've changed.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, I just want to know. You know, she can
do this all day long, but Clay, they don't have
the cultural power to shame anybody anymore who wants to
be pro Trump. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
I also think what she's saying is one hundred percent wrong.
Trump has spoken to the country and convinced them that
many of his arguments are correct. And also many of you.
I bet there are I bet there are a million
people that will listen today's showbuck who did not vote
Trump in twenty sixteen, And I mean, you have come along.
(53:13):
I didn't vote Trump in twenty sixteen. I voted libertarian.
I've said that before. I wasn't sold on what Trump
was selling in twenty sixteen. Some of you, from the
moment he came down the escalator, you've been like Trump
is the savior, He's the greatest politician. He's given voice
to some of my concerns.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
But everybody has come to voting for Trump at different times.
I continue to meet tons of people Buck out publicly.
They come up to me and they say, hey, I
listened to you and Buck, I never voted for Trump
in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. By twenty four I saw
what you were talking about. I'm convinced. I meet those
people almost every single day when I'm out in the public.
(53:49):
I just met a couple of them at the inauguration.
Came up to me and said, I am at the
ball tonight. I not only voted for Trump, I donated.
I became convinced that his arguments were correct because of
what I saw. So when she's saying, hey, if you
were opposed to Trump in twenty seventeen, you can't support
him in twenty four I actually fundamentally disagree. I think
Trump has been proven to be right about a lot,
(54:11):
and that's why he got twelve million more votes in
twenty twenty four than he did in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
Maybe two handsome and charming guys are a great bridge
for some people to Trump is them. I'm just throwing
it out there, you know, maybe.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
Sanity in general. I think we're speaking to a lot
of people that don't feel spoken to. And so I
think not only is Annon Navarro wrong to your point
to try to shame like Snoop Dogg or Nelly or
whoever they are for performing or Carrie Underwood at the
Trump inauguration, but more importantly, I actually think her argument
is super flawed because there are twelve million people at
(54:49):
least that didn't vote Trump in sixteen that voted Trump
in twenty four. Like, that's a big cadre of people
that have looked around and said, you know, I actually
agree with what he's selling.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
It would be it's saying, it would be logical argument,
as I see it, for anyone to say, you know,
I wasn't sold or whatever. Fine, you know, I didn't
feel like he did what he was supposed to do
in the first four years, but Biden was such a
disaster and so bad for the country that I realized
the error of my ways, and now I'm maga all
(55:21):
the way. That's not a storyline that, you know, befuddles me. Also,
it's not even just Trump. I think a lot of
people got a misguided version of Trump because they trusted
the legacy media. And so I don't think it's coincidental
that as Trump has risen, the trust in legacy media
has collapsed. And a lot of people out there listening
(55:41):
to us right now they might have bought into the
very fine people Charlottesville hoax. They might have bought into
the oh, he's a Nazi because they weren't really paying attention.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
And then once you see one of those stories is untrue,
it really forces you to re examine some of your
prior beliefs. And I think that's what happened with over
ten million people between sixteen and twenty four.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
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