Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jan 31 2025

More fallout from the Potomac crash. Trump drains the swamp. Birthright citizenship is the key to Trump 2.0. Fox News Anchor Will Cain.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
and we have updates for you on the horrific crash
in Washington, d C. We'll talk about what we know
the details. Also, our friend Ambert Smith will be with us.
She is a former Kiowa combat helicopter pilots, to join
us bottom of this hour to talk about what she

(00:21):
thinks has happened here. Also, there's new video out to
show the crash from different angles, really the collision from
different angles between that Blackhawk helicopter and the Regional jet.
They've just collided at high speed. Sixty seven deaths from this,
as we know, at a horrible tragedy and something that

(00:41):
has to be averted in the future. So it's important
to figure out what went wrong here, what could be
done differently. There's already reporting that there were not there
were not the proper staffing for the air traffic controllers
at the time of this, which is obviously incredibly upsetting

(01:03):
for everyone to hear staffing levels not normal inside the
Reagan Airport control tower during the time of the crash.
According to The Washington Post, there was no single controller
dedicated to managing helicopter traffic, so we'll get into more
of these details. We also have some other stories we're
going to cover today. The confirmation battles for Cash Betel

(01:27):
and Tulci Gabbard. Those still underway. We're going to see
how all of that shakes out. And we've got some
updates from Trump himself, including on birthright citizenship. I think
he's got it right. Clay thinks he's got it right.
We will the court Supreme Court end up thinking. We'll
discuss this coming up over the course of the show.
We also have our friend Will Kine, by the way,

(01:50):
who I really started my media career alongside at The
Blaze many years ago. He is just saying it's very like,
look very proud. He's had an amazing arc. He is
now the four PM host at Fox News. Another guy
that we used to do that show with a lot
of Pete Hegseth who's now Secretary of Defense, and Will's
former co hosts. So we will talk about so Will

(02:11):
and I were co host, Pete and Will were co hosts.
We'll talk to Will about his new show and everything
going up in the news. That's in the third hour.
You all know Will Kine. So we'll be joined by him.
But you know, Clay, there's already a kind of a
fierce back and forth over the ideological problems that may
have been caused within or that may have caused problems

(02:33):
within idological issues that may have caused problems within the
air traffic control system, within selection for pilots, any of
these things. There's a lot of conversation going on around this.
And we know that diversity, equity and inclusion has been
a focus of airlines in recent years. We know the
government under Biden has been pushing this relentlessly. Well, here's

(02:57):
a throwback during the Biden years that I think you
all need to see. This is back just in twenty
twenty three, so not long ago, and it is Senator
Ted Cruz who is questioning. This is a longer clip.
We wanted you to hear the whole thing. He is
questioning Biden's nominee for FAA Administrator, Phil Washington. I want

(03:19):
you to listen in and think to yourself, as Ted
Cruise is working through this, why the heck should this
person be in charge of the FAA, which deals with
safety in the skies.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Play it the ever flowing a plane.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Thank you for the question, Senator No. I have never
flown a plane, so you weren't a military pilot or
a commercial airline pilot.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
No center, have you ever worked for an airline?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
No center, have you ever worked as an air traffic controller?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
No senator, he ever worked for a.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Company that manufactures airplanes? No cenator, you ever worked for
a company that fixes airplanes?

Speaker 4 (03:47):
No center.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
FA administrator is a specialized position. I'm not qualified to
be FA administrator. I've no idea how a flyplane. No
one in their right mind would put me in charge
of aviation safety because I don't have that ex experience.
I suspect most of the members of this committee are
in a similar position the American people when they think
about aviation safety. When they think about I played in
this committee a Southwest Airlines and FedEx plane almost colliding

(04:14):
at Austin's Airport, they want an FA administrator who knows
why those planes crash and knows how to fix it
to keep them safe. And with all respect, mister Washington,
it gives no comfort to the flying public that their
pilot might be a transgendered witch but doesn't actually know
how to prevent the plane from crashing into the ground

(04:34):
and killing them. I believe your record is woefully lacking,
and in fact you.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Have zero aviation safety experience.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I think this exchange typifies a lot of what's upset
people right now.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Clay totally, and again we still have to get the
full details to come out. There's a new video buck
that I'm sure you have seen, that shows even in
more detail the co between the helicopter and the pilot.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And it seems as.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
More and more evidence is coming out that what we
talked about yesterday when we took a lot of phone
calls on this, seems like much of this is going
to come down to the helicopter and air traffic control.
The actual airplane pilot, it appears, had no knowledge to
there's any evidence that he had any knowledge of the

(05:25):
helicopter or could have seen it. Trump himself has tweeted
that the helicopter pilot was flying too tall, too high,
too high of an elevation around four hundred feet instead
of where they usually fly, which is two hundred feet
above ground, so that has to be determined. There is
audio of air traffic control. Now there's reports that air

(05:47):
traffic control might have been understaffed on that day, which
certainly is something to be investigated as well. But there
is air traffic control communicating with the helicopter and letting
them know about this airplane. And I think, based on
all the evidence that is coming out, it seems quite
clear that this helicopter pilot and the crew on the

(06:09):
helicopter did not see and were not aware of the
American Airlines flight coming in from Wichita. So at some
point the assessment of blame should there have been a
more specific designation given to the air traffic control. Were
the helicopter crew looking at another airplane and believing that

(06:31):
they were doing what they thought was appropriate based on
the seeing that airplane. There's still a lot of details
to come out, but human error seems quite clearly to
have been the culprit here, and we need to make
sure that we don't have human error like this again.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Steven Miller, the Deputy White House Chief of Staff, this
is cut eight. He weighed on this heavily. And you
know they tried to say, oh, Trump, why is he
going there? No, because he's saying things that people under
the circumstances want to be said out loud, because everyone's
sick of not being able to talk about how these

(07:11):
focuses on DEI affect things like staffing, affect things like
meritocracy and excellence. Here's Stephen Miller play eight.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
Well, it's absolutely heartbreaking and this devastating, but even more
so because it's so preventable. As President Trump said today,
over the last four years, the FAA, the Federal Aviation
Administration and Air Traffic Control under JOBADEN have been dedicated
to a mission, not a public safety, not of safe aviation,
but versity, equity and inclusion. And they've pushed an agenda

(07:41):
trying to advance social engineering, political ideology, trying to hire
people at the FA who are not capable or competent
for the job. And that completely changes the agency culture.
It means instead of spending four years trying to solve
these systemic problems, all these near misses, ins that all
that intellectual capital at the agency is spent trying to
meet these programs and trying to fulfill these quotas.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
This is the heart of the issue on so many things. Clay,
this came up in the California wildfires. As we know,
there were the there was the what was the there
was a like a non binary or like a lesbian
fire chief and there's the video saying, you know, how
important diverse, how you need somebody who looks like you
to respond to a fire. This ideological rot of DEI

(08:27):
has spread through a lot of agencies, really almost all
agencies and including those that are life and death. And
so yeah, people want to have a lot of people
do want to have a conversation right now about well,
we need to make these agencies as efficient and as
effective as we possibly can because people want to live,
People want to be safe in the air. People want
to feel like they're going to get where they need

(08:48):
to go without there being some horrible accident that occurs
because we're trying to make some people feel better about
their career prospects. I also think we hit it on
this a little bit yesterday. There's probably going to be
an examination of why we're doing helicopter training in that
close of proximity to an airplane landing area that is
as populated and as busy as the National Airport area.

(09:14):
I do think that is a point of contention, right
I think a lot of people are saying, and I
think it's a fair question. I've been reading some about this,
why can't the helicopter training happen somewhere other than downtown
area Washington, d C. In proximity of the airport, so
that you have less aviation traffic overall. And as you know, Buck,

(09:37):
there's so many of these helicopters that are necessary to
be traveling all over the DC area. If you're the
President of the United States vice president, a lot of
the time you're maneuvering around inside of helicopters. But to
be doing training exercises, I think they will go back
and look at this, even if, as may well be

(09:57):
the case, the helicopter pilots were flying too high, they
were putting themselves in a dangerous position they didn't need
to be in. Do we need night training for helicopter
pilots in the vicinity of Reagan National Airport. I think
there will be some discussion about that as well. Certainly,
the training needs to happen, and training can be dangerous,

(10:18):
That's why the training has to happen. But are there
ways and places to do it that don't require putting
people in as much proximity to aircraft travel like this.
I think that will be a big part of the
discussion as well. But in general, the immediate desire to
make Trump responsible. I mean Joy Reid on her worst show.

(10:40):
I think in all of cable news, I think it's
worse than the view because it's supposed to be taken seriously.
We have audio of her already saying this is all
Donald Trump's fault. Listen to cut ten.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
So here's the thing. Trump can blame anyone and everything
that he wants, right, But the reality is this horror
happened on his watch and with his policies and his
people in place. In fact, on his second day in office,
President Trump issued an executive order that called for an
immediate end to DEI programs at the Federal Aviation Administration.

(11:16):
And he did that despite the fact that the FAA
has had a shortage of air traffic controllers for years.
But as a result of Trump's day one hiring freeze,
no federal civilian position could be filled. Also, there was
no one in charge of the Federal Aviation Administration at
the time of the crash.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
So you know how this is going to work. I
mean they tried before this commercial airline tragedy. The story
suddenly we talked about this a little bit on air.
Was Trump's to blame for the price of eggs. You know,
Trump has been in office for what is the ten days,
basically twelve days, whatever the math is on how long

(11:56):
Trump has been in office. Expecting him to address the
price of eggs and also fix the federal aviation issues
seems like a really expansive definition of what you expect
the president to be responsible for within mere days of
taking office.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Well, you can also look at the number. She's an
idiot and put that aside for a second. Eighty percent
of air traffic controllers are men, and seventy something percent
of them are white. And now you look at this
and you say, well, hold on, there's a shortage of
air traffic controllers. Yeah, because the programs in place, the
hiring is we need fewer white men to do this

(12:36):
job right. And we've seen this in different agencies. You've
seen this for Hollywood scriptwriters. Now no white guys need apply,
not allowed. That's what everybody knows has been going on.
It's time we say it out loud. There are jobs
where this is the case. There are hiring you know,
hiring managers who are working with this as their mandate.

(12:58):
And when you have a short of critical people and
you're also putting some people into it who shouldn't probably
be there based on their ability. In the first place.
People can die, and nobody wants to die because somebody
else wants to feel good about themselves for having a
DEI program. So that's really and that's why Trump is
doubling and tripling down on this. He's not backing away.

(13:19):
He's got nothing. You know, there's no part of him
that wants to walk away from this.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
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Speaker 5 (15:05):
Had a lot of discussion about the plane crash that
took place in Washington, DC and what might have occurred
that caused that to happen. It seems increasingly likely it
was a combination of human error from both the air
traffic controller and potentially the crew aboard the helicopter itself.

(15:26):
That is what all of the evidence is pointing to.
We will continue to follow that. I imagine there will
be more and more news coming out around that in
the days and weeks ahead of that tragedy that took
place on Wednesday night. Now, another story that is out, Buck,
that is not particularly huge in terms of its significance

(15:51):
in a larger scale, but is I think really important
as it pertains to the overall vibe shift that is
on underway and the culture that is being created. Trump
has issued another order that effectively.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
I'm reading from our friend at.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Libs of TikTok, that effectively eliminates gender ideology from the
federal government by five pm today, the following changes must
be made. And there is a long list that has
to do with gender ideology. And this is the idea
that your gender is fluid in some way, that there

(16:30):
is that there are seventy five different genders. That all
of this is underway, and what it will do is,
among other things, Buck, you are no longer allowed to
have your pronouns in your government email address. Now, I

(16:50):
bet this will lead to loaded lines here because I
don't know about you, Buck, But I have heard from
so many people over the past several years, not inside
of government, some government employees, but even more outside in
private industry who say that they were given the choice
to put their pronouns in their bio signatures, but then

(17:14):
were followed up with by HR if they weren't doing
it as an effort to basically mandate speech. And I
bet many of you out there listening to us right now,
either in government or private workspaces, have felt compelled to
put your pronouns in your email signature because you were

(17:34):
being judged inside of your corporation or inside of your
workplace for not doing so.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And so this will say, Hey.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
That's gone, we didn't have that for what what did
the start, Buck, What do you think like twenty fifteen
ish twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
I think it was around the really the beginning of
the Trump era. I think it was. It became popularized
as part as the hashtag resistance stuff too.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I remember owing to a school event.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
At Vanderbilt University and just being in like I couldn't
believe is the first time I'd ever seen pronouns on
name tags, and I remember thinking to myself, how in
the where did this come from, because it felt so
strange to me walking around to see somebody say, hey,
my name's Janet she her on the name tag.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I'm like, I can tell who you are.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
According to AI, it really gained traction around twenty eighteen
during the first Trump term that that, you know, it
got very popular. So I do think it was tied
in somewhat with the hysteria and the mental unwellness of
the anti Trump left. But first of all, it has
always been since this thing has been around, this practice

(18:46):
has been around either allegiance or submission. Right, So you
either do it because you believe in this, and you
think that this shows everybody who you are, not who
you are by the way, gender wise, because people, you know,
this is very very rarely are people confused about this.
That's quite a rare thing. It's who you are politically speaking,

(19:07):
or it's I don't want to get in trouble, so
I'll do what you guys say, and either one of these.
It reminds me of masking a little bit in that regard.
Either one of those things is bad and that Trump
is getting rid of it from the government. It really
is essentially a non a non deity religion or a

(19:28):
kind of a like a civic religion, a civil religion
where people do this kind of stuff. It has no
place in your government work. It would be like sending
around an email saying I'm super right wing at the bottom. Well,
if you're working for the government, like, you're not really
supposed to be doing that, right or because it says
you're super left wing. I mean, that's what it is
announcing to people. So I love that Trump is doing this.
I do think everyone has to remember all the executive orders,

(19:50):
as great as they are, and they are great and
I love them. Now we have to start getting to
Congress at some point here to do some of these
big things, because.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Otherwise they just get revoked as soon as you have
a Democrat asident come in.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
Yeah, So as much as you can enjoy these executive orders,
the force of law either coming through courts stamping it
and saying this is permissive, which is one way that
the executive order fully has the arbiter of the force
of law. The other one is Buck just mentioned Congress

(20:23):
taking action among other things that are happening right now, Buck,
and I'm curious to get your reaction on this as
someone who worked at the CIA. Trump has not only
done away with the security clearances from all fifty one
intelligence agents who signed the document saying that the Hunter
Biden laptop had all the hallmarks of disinformation. According to

(20:45):
a Daily Wire report, he has also now banned all
of those individuals from entering US government buildings. So they
are now not only banned from being able to get
the security briefings, which you know more about than many do,
but it would be something that kind of you get

(21:07):
to keep receiving. How many people get a security briefing
like this? Would you have any idea?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Would be you're talking about the guys who have there
if you're a senior It's interesting because it operates in
this kind of this gray space. If you were a
very senior intel person, your clearance can stay with you
and you can go to work at a government contractor
with your clearance and you don't have to stay in
the government. Obviously it can lapse, like my clearances have lapsed,

(21:31):
but some people as a courtesy, as in if you
were the FORMACYI director, it is just assumed that your
clearance is maintained indefinitely because you may need to be
brought in to confer on something. But what it really
means is that you keep your classified access even when
you're no longer in power and no longer needed for
your day to day job, which honestly has a tremendous

(21:53):
amount of value in the private sector.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
It can't fair, it can I mean, you know, it
depends I think on yes, Yeah, I think the answer
is as I think the the perception of that access
is certainly very valuable. But a lot of people don't,
you know, don't sort of take advantage of their ability
to go in or don't try to do it. Some do.
I think that Bill Clinton, for example, is one of

(22:16):
the rare former presidents who still sometimes has like availed
himself of the ability to get classified briefings just just
because probably less now that the Clinton global grifting initiative
has come to a screeching halt. But yeah, this is again.
I was a little nobody at the CIA, so nobody

(22:37):
was like, you get to keep your clearance just forever
you're important. But I do know that this is a
practice that some people have, and also there's a cachet
to it, and it means that you're ready to go
at a moment's notice if they want to give you
some kind of a government post or bring you in
on some issue. You know, it's very inside baseball to
just be able to keep your clearance because you were

(22:57):
connected and you were high up. So Trump has pulled those.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
And now not allowing them to enter government buildings. So
that is an intriguing decision as well, and probably not
a surprise that Trump is going after the people who
he thinks rigged the twenty twenty election against him by
lying and effectively utilizing their power. And remember, their defense

(23:22):
is not a very good defense, but their defense so
that I can provide it so you at least can
rebutt it if you hear it publicly. They say, oh,
we didn't say it was Russian disinformation. We said it
had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, which you're going
to cut it. Yeah, that's their defense. And then many
I didn't say he beats his wife. I said there's

(23:46):
lots of evidence to conclude that he beats his wife.
And then what they also took advantage of associated with
that buck is lots of media that covered their letter
eliminated even that even that language that it had all
the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, and they just said many

(24:06):
of the headlines that you guys remember seeing fifty one
intelligence agents, Hunter Biden laptop product of Russian disinformation. So
they totally skipped over the protection that they tried to
provide for themselves. And remember, really what this was about
doing was twofold.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
One.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
It allowed Joe Biden in the debate against Donald Trump
when he was asked about it, and when Trump brought
it up to say, no, no, no, that's all a
bunch of malarkey, that's Russian disinformation. There's a big letter
out about it. Two, it also gave all of the
media cover to not feel like they needed to track

(24:50):
the Hunter Biden laptop story because they could say, that's
not real, it disinterests me. And then eventually they moved
from that's not real to you remember that the next
step on the train. The next step was, well, why
do we care about Hunter Biden's personal proclivities and drug addiction?
Like that's he's not the president of the United States.

(25:11):
Like that was the step. Once it became clear it
was real, it was well why do we care about Hunter?
And I give credit to Miranda Divine in New York
Post team. They actually didn't write about the most salacious
aspects of the laptop. They focused directly on the connection
between Hunter and Joe and the money that was received
based on access to the president.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Just remember Joe Biden pardoned his whole family, his whole
immediate family on the way out of office. Remember Hunter
was before, and then there was the whole slew so
for ten years, Yeah, going all the way back to
twenty fourteen, which is yeah, it's I mean that it's
unheard of preemptively pardon them for a full decade of activity. Yeah,
And it is very fair to ask how did all

(25:53):
these Bidens have so much money? What exactly did they do?
They were selling access, they were selling out their country,
and that should never be forgotten when we look at
the record of Joe Biden. So the guy who was
the clearest other than if you want to talk about
like the Clinton line under oath stuff, but the clearest
criminal conduct we've seen of somebody who has been a president,

(26:15):
actual criminal conduct, not make believe stuff like they did
against Trump, is the guy who had his rival prosecuted
four times in an election year. That's a pretty remarkable record.
Joe Biden walks away with I think that the good
news for Biden Clay is that his regime ended so
ignominiously that he will quickly be someone who no one

(26:38):
even thinks or talks about people And within a few years,
people will be saying themselves, wait, who was president before Trump?
The second time? You know it's gonna take a moment. Oh,
that's right, it was Biden.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
And it's also why twenty fourteen, if you're out there
and you're saying, that's when Biden recognized and believed that
his political career was over. That's when the real money
shaking of the Biden crime family really began. Was when
Biden suddenly gets looked over, passed over, and they're gonna

(27:13):
give Hillary the nomination. He didn't ever think that he
would have the opportunity to run for president. He thought
he was going to be a private citizen from that
point forward, and he just decided to turn on the
money spigot. And that's when they got reckless, and that's
when the money really started to pour in. And that's
what he protected his family from. And it was absolutely

(27:34):
abdication of basic journalistic standards that Joe Biden's dirtiness, which
I think was dirtier than any president at any point
in any of our lives. I mean, you can go
after Nixon, but Nixon was arguably for Watergate, just a
stupid political maneuver to try to get information, not to
try to personally enrich he and his family for generations

(27:56):
to come. So I think that's why the pardon goes
back to twenty fourteen, because I think Biden was embittered
over being passed over and he just said, Okay, let's
go get rich now, and he told his family members
to do whatever it took to cash in on his
position in government, and then never expected that he would.

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Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show a lot
of actions that Trump is undertaking on a daily basis.
As we finish up we number two of his administration.
It's hard to believe it's only been two weeks given
all the actions that he's undertaken. We got fifty more
weeks this year and then, sorry, left wingers, another what

(30:13):
one hundred and fifty six. We still have two hundred
more weeks of Trump in office before we figure out
what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
In twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (30:22):
But Buck, I think actually the most consequential thing Trump
has done in the first two weeks is an executive
order ending birthright citizenship. And we talked about this when
he did it and why it was so far reaching
and potentially so consequential, and we told you that it
was going to be challenged and it was immediately, and

(30:43):
that it would slowly work its way through the courts,
and we think at some point likely end up in
front of the Supreme Court to see what does the
fourteenth Amendment actually mean as it pertains the birthright citizenship
and kind of giving you a little bit of a
quick history lesson birthright citizenship is a legacy of colonialism

(31:07):
because when the United States was a colony of England,
the idea was in order to leave England and go
live in the hinterland of the New World. You didn't
necessarily want to cut your ties forever with England, and
so they said, your children will be British subjects as well,

(31:28):
So even though you are being born in a different land,
you will still be considered a British subject. And every
other colony basically did this as well. So if you
were coming from Portugal to Brazil, let's say, for instance,
or if you were from Spain going to Cuba, or
you were from France going out into the French New

(31:49):
Orleans area the French territories as they were called at
the time, you were still a citizen of those countries
even though you were born here. Now, obviously we had
the Revolutionary War, America establishes its independence. But by and large,
even as no other country had by soil citizenship, America

(32:10):
and Brazil and Canada and a few other of the
New World countries maintained this policy. Now, fourteenth Amendment comes along,
and the fourteenth Amendment is passed to ensure that slaves
and the children of slaves are also American citizens because
they had previously been excluded from citizenship. And that Fourteenth Amendment,

(32:35):
and I'm taking you through the entire of quick history.
Here is now what is going to be decided? What
is the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction within the
language of the fourteenth Amendment. Trump was asked about this
and gave his answer yesterday, this is Trump on birthright citizenship.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Cut to.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Got to Trump on birthright citizenship, and eventually maybe I
imagine that we may or may not have Trump on
birthright citizenship period. Do you believe that.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
There are five votes of the Supreme Court that would
have pulled your position?

Speaker 10 (33:21):
I think so. Yeah. Look, birthright citizenship was if you
look back when this was pasted and made, that was
meant for the children of slaves. This was not meant
for the whole world to come into Poland to the
United States of America, everybody coming in and totally unqualified
people with perhaps unqualified children.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
This wasn't meant for that.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
This was meant when it was originally done for the
children of slaves, and that was a very good and
noble thing to do, and I'm in favor of that
one hundred percent. But it wasn't meant for the entire
world to occupy the United States.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Not an awful answer here. I mean, Trump's not a
legal scholar, but he's pretty good there.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Buck.

Speaker 9 (34:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I like the the lay person way he put it though,
really gets right to it, which is it was about slaves.
You know, then Americans obviously freed uh and their descendants.
It was not so that people could come here on
a tourist visa, give a baby in a birth tourism hotel,
and go back to their home country and then come
back here as an adult and sponsor their entire family

(34:27):
and skip the whole immigration line and become and become
quote Americans like that. That's not the way that the
system is supposed to work. That's part one. Clearly, there
are scams that are run using this and that has
to be addressed because that cannot be That was not
the intent of the fourteenth Amendment. That was not the
intent of the founders. That's not supposed to happen. Also, Clay,
as we know there is an you know, an extra

(34:50):
extra territoriality or extra territorial component to our laws when
it comes to citizenship that is already in effect. We know,
if you're born, as we've talked about, if you're military
and you give birth to you know, your wife has
a baby in Germany, you're an American citizen. To American
parents US jurisdiction, you're an American citizen. Don't know, question
about it. On the other side of it, if a

(35:13):
diplomat has a kid here, that you know. If a
Russian diplomat has a baby in DC, that baby is Russian.
But what's interesting is that if a low level staffer
in the embassy has a baby here, because of the
interpretation up to this point, that baby actually may be
given a pack. Like it's whether or not you're on
the DIP list, the diplomatic list sort of the official

(35:33):
list of those who have diplomatic community. But my point
here is merely it's not just you're here, so you're
you're an American. That's actually not the law, and it
actually is.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
And I think again this is why having the conversation matters,
because a lot of people just don't realize how rare
this is. Building on what you said, Buck, if you're
born in Germany, you aren't a German citizen. If you go,
if your wife is, if you're studying abroad in Germany,
or you are sent to Germany to work as an

(36:07):
employee of a company international company, and you're American and
you have a family in Germany, and you and your
wife are Americans. Your kids don't become German, and they
don't become British, and they don't become French. What we
do is actually the exception. They don't become Japanese, they
don't become Chinese. There's two types of citizenship. By blood,

(36:29):
which is the historic and typical way in which you
would be a citizen of a land. That is, your
dad or your mom are citizens, and by birth you
become a citizen as well. And then there's by soil.
And to what you said, Buck, in eighteen sixty eight,
when this amendment was put in place, no one who
was pregnant could decide by and large, hey I'm going

(36:52):
to travel to the United States to have a baby.
It took months to get to the United States basically
from anywhere around the world. And so this has never
really been examined by the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
What will they say?

Speaker 5 (37:07):
What Trump was asked was do you think five Supreme
Court justices are going to agree with your interpretation? He said, yes,
I don't know. I wouldn't even claim to predict. It
is very complicated to think about but I give Trump
credit for raising it as an issue. I would actually

(37:28):
ask Congress to pass a law that says birthright citizenship
doesn't exist in the United States anymore, because I think
it would go a long way towards disincentivizing people from
breaking our immigration laws and coming here.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
It also demeans what it is to be a citizen
when the interpretation of law that we have is that,
like I said again, somebody comes here, they have a
baby here, they leave, they have non US citizen parents,
they're hearing a tourist visa, they leave after let's say
a few weeks, they live in a foreign country, their

(38:02):
whole lives. According to what the Democrats and even some
Republicans say on this, when that person comes back after
twenty years to America, not speaking English, having lived in
a foreign country, having had all of their their connections,
their patriots, and everything foreign, they are as American Clay
as you, me and everybody listening to this. As a citizen.

(38:22):
They're exactly the same, exactly the same rights, exactly the
same benefits and duties, I might add, And I just
think that that's out I just think that's an obvious outrage,
and it demeans what it is to be an American,
and this needs to be clarified. And this is something
that we've been forced to have to force to clarify
because of one. As I said, the changes in mass transportation,

(38:47):
specifically air travel, means that the whole world can come
here and scam us as they have been doing. People
come across by foot and the southern border, as we know,
and they run the same kind of a scam. And
we've gotten now the point where you have tens of
millions of people who are in this country in violation
of the laws of this land in the first place.
So of course we're going to look at this now.

(39:08):
You know, it wasn't a problem before because people weren't
scamming it before. I would also add, our asylum system
needs to be changed entirely. Asylum has been the little
little cracked door that they have ripped open and used
to bring millions and millions of people who are in
bad faith exploiting the goodness of the American ideal that

(39:28):
we're a safe harbor for some. We're not a safe
harbor for the whole world. We're safe harbor for some
people who are under true duress. We take some of
them to be a good nation because we're good people.
We don't have to do this. You got to shut
this thing down, or you've got to make it where
people have to You know, it can only be refugee,
no more asylum. You got to be a refugee who
applies to abroad. We vet you, and it's serious, and

(39:50):
we believe it and we trust it.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I saw you on must shared today speaking on the
asylum claim buck that eighty percent of Europeans who claim
that they had to flee their country for fear of
peril have later vacation in the country that from which
they claimed asylum, and that they did another word scem.
If you really were in danger of being arrested or
prosecuted based on something in your home country, the last

(40:15):
thing you would do is when you get your asylum
granted in the European Union, to decide to go back
and visit your home country. When we gave defectors from
the Soviet Union asylum here, they didn't go back to
check out what's going on in Moscow while the Soviet
Union still existed, because it was too dangerous, which is

(40:36):
why we gave them asylum. Right that's the whole point.
So this is, you know, the third world has just
pulled this on the the you know, Western European and
American world in a way that is you know changing,
It's like civilization shifting really because of the numbers that
we're talking about and the fact that people want to

(40:57):
pretend like this isn't a problem, and I'll be is
a problem because if it's not, why do we have
all of these laws in place about why.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Have an immigration system? What's the point, Clay? If it's
nothing but upside? Why not just let everyone? Why not
be open borders if there's no cost, because at some
level people recognize that means you don't have a country. Yeah,
I mean that's why my question for the people who
are most zealously advocating for illegal immigrants not to be returned. Okay,
what would be the number that you would acknowledge is

(41:27):
too many? They're seven billion people roughly in the world.
Why should we not take in a billion people from
a foreign country and let them live here? Like, what
is the number where you would say, no, you know what,
that's too high? Most Americans have said the last four
years of Biden, we've taken in too many people. I
think the number right now buck fifteen percent of the

(41:48):
United States population right now was not born here. That's
a pretty ridiculously high percentage. Fifteen percent of the people
that are American citizens now were not born in the
United States team in New York. You can correct me
on that if I'm wrong, But I think that's the
most recent census estimate, and I believe it is higher

(42:12):
now than it was in the immediate aftermath of Ellis Island.
And of course, what no one talks about during the
Ellis Island era is we needed population. We had a great,
big country that we had needed farmed, and that we
wanted to be able to unleash the economic potential of
a lot of people went back because in nineteen hundred,

(42:35):
there was no welfare check, there were no you know,
snap or EBT cards waiting for you. There was no
you know, publicly subsidized hotel rooms or housing or culturally
sensitive meals handed to you every day, and all you
know that didn't exist. So people actually went I think
something like twenty percent of immigrants that came through Ellis

(42:59):
Island turned home because it was so hard here. Well,
now we have a very large welfare state, and we're
the wealthiest country in the world by far. So guess what,
it's very different, very different situation. That's why when people say,
you know, even with the Margaret Brennan thing, which has
spawned a million funny memes, you know, oh, we're we're
a nation of immigrants. People were showing up here hoping

(43:21):
they weren't going to get scalped by Indians. Okay, that's
very different than showing up here saying where's my free food,
my hotel room, and my English is a second language
classroom for my kids who are also coming with me.
That's a different thing. So I think we can all
understand and accept that. I look forward to day when
our federal government doesn't print money to just keep on
inflating away things. It's not good, friends, and President Trump

(43:43):
is tackling this. We know that, but it's going to
take time, and it's imperfect at best trying to deal
with this issue. There's no easy answer. So how can
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Speaker 1 (44:54):
Our friend Will Caine joins us. He is the host
of the Will Kine Show, also the Will Podcast, and
you can watch him every day at four Eastern on
Fox News. Mister Will, first of all, man, congrats on
the four pm slot, richly deserved and it is it
is fun for me to watch my oldest friends in media,

(45:18):
either taking over media or running the country, as in
the case of our good friend Pete. So it's a
lot of fun stuff going on.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
Well, thank you, my friend, both of you, my friends.
I don't know that we've done this every time we've
been on air. You know, it's fun. I saw a
hater this morning post you know what businesses Fox and
Friends have talking about the government, and then they said, well,
Fox and Friends is kind of now running the government.
So it's like and if you rewind the clock back,

(45:45):
you know, Buck, what fifteen years where we first sat
down on a table on an offshoot news network, the Blaze.
You know, it's gone. Well, it's gone fun and it's
fun to look around and see secondary of defense Clay
and Buck show everywhere.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Well, what first, congrats on the new show. What should
people know who have not yet gotten to see it?
How is your show different? What's kind of the goal
for the Fox News audience of what you're putting out
there every day now at four o'clock eastern, right, four
o'clock eastern.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Clay, I'm not going to give you the pr stuff,
you know, I'm just going to talk it out loud
with you guys. So you know what the most encouraging
thing was when they called me and they said, hey,
this is what we're thinking. What do you think? Well,
the first thing I heard was from Texas, and I
was like, are you kidding me? The answer is yes.
So getting to do this show from Texas is a

(46:44):
dream for me. I left New York, you know, five
years ago, and I made it a pretty clear I'm
not coming back. I just I'm from Texas, my family's
from Texas, and I have to raise my boys in Texas.
So but my point is when they called me, Clay,
they were like, we just want you to be you.
That's all we want you to be. And I'm like,
well that's pretty cool. I don't know what that means,

(47:06):
but thank you. Yeah. So right now, what makes this
show different is me and how I think and approach
the news. I have a lot of overlap with both
you guys. You know, I've known you both for veryous Clay,
you and I look at things very legally and analytically
and logically, and you know that's how I approach most things. Honestly.
Over time, I've tried, I've grown and I try not

(47:27):
to be so like black and white, you know. And
I've known Buck forever, and you know, when I knew
you a long time ago, Bucks, I would have described
myself as more libertarian, and I've evolved. Man, I'm not
so much that anymore. I'm an American. That's my prism.
So when people tune in it for they're going to
see me look at the news and asking questions about
what these stories matter to Americans? Does it make our

(47:49):
lives better or worse? Does it matter to us? How
does it affect our lives? And I'll try to be
deep and smart. I'll try to be fun. I'll try
not thinking myself seriously and then real quick Clay. Over time,
you're going to see this show look and feel different
than most things on Fox. It's going to be much
more relaxed but professional. You know, we're building a studio
in Dallas. It's going to reflect you know, some of

(48:11):
what I've done throughout my career with Bucket, Real News,
even ESPN and some guys at ESPN that I learned
from in terms of aesthetics and appeal. And so I
don't know, hang in there, man, watch what we're doing
now is great, we're setting ratings records and all that,
But in six months this show is going to be
quadruple what we're doing now.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Now, will I want to know, how are you viewing
things from from your prism here we are? I think
it's a second week, right, I'm still trying to remember
when it was the inauguration. Feels like it went on
for quite some time. Clay, the inauguration was just happened.
When in the second week and Trump has just come
out with a salvo. I mean, it's just there's so

(48:52):
much stuff happening, and how are you seeing it and
what's sort of your expectation of where it goes from here,
especially as some who goes that saying has some connections
at the top reaches of the Trump the Trump sphere.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Somebody I did this like Interviews of the Day, Buck
and somebody said, they asked me, what overlap do you
see between politics and sports? Everybody always probably does this
with Clay as well. And I'll say this, you know, Clay,
Colin Coward I think once said like they're the same,
you know, Cowboys versus Eagles is the same thing as

(49:29):
Republican versus Democrats. People want to hear about their teams.
I thought that was kind of interesting, but it's not
how I see this at all. But to answer your question, Buck,
there is something else in sports that I take from
the first two weeks of the Trump presidency, and that
is play offense. We've learned that from Donald Trump. Always
play offense, don't play defense. I mean, whatever we're on,

(49:50):
how many how many executive orders and executive actions are
we up to? I don't know, but we're reshaping America
in a two week time frame, and again we're it
is getting started because he's playing offense. We'll see what
the legislative agenda includes. But it's incredible. And here's the
real question I want to ask you guys, like what
did it come just in time for? Like, was the

(50:13):
left a on the verge of consolidating power really from
now into an indefinite future of controlling media, big business, government,
and thought processes. Or was what we solved the last
four years actually a desperate, dying attempt to regain control
over something that they were losing dating back to twenty sixteen.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
It's a great debate and it's one that historians fifty
years from now will be able to look at and
say hey, these were the significant sort of lynch pins,
and we'll have a better answer on it.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Right now, I.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Would say, elon buying Twitter and Trump being elected and
not just being elected, but winning the popular vote, i e.
Winning comfortably in the electoral college, winning all the battleground states,
I think is symptomatic.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
My thesis would be will that they created with social
media platforms and artificial version of reality. Remember that debate
we used to always have as Twitter real life or not,
and a lot of people thought it was.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And I think finally.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
They pushed it and it blew up on them, and
it's almost like this is the swing back to sanity,
but we never really left. They just convinced us that
the world was different than it was.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Does that make.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Sense, Yeah, and then began to consolidate control based upon
that false reality. And it was a house of cards
that came tumbling down, and we're watching it being torn
down now in real time.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I think they went I think to echo. I think
where both of you guys are on this. That what
we experienced with the left in the era of really
the era of Trump Biden Trump, right, I mean, going
back all the way was the combination of panic at
their fear of losing control and exuberance at their sense

(52:05):
of having total control. Right. And I know that those
things seem like they're in but they're they're often in contention.
You look at the totalitarian regime. They exercise the absolute
control they can, and they're always paranoid about losing control
at the same time. And I think that that really
came to a head in COVID and also with their
dominance of Silicon Valley and the Internet, in a way

(52:27):
that people just realize this is this is about to take.
I think America was actually on the brink of taking
a turn into a very even darker and scarier place
than it was under Joe Biden. And I think that
what we've seen with Trump is at least a stay
on that, if not perhaps the opening of a new
direction for us to go in I mean a way
that it's hard to look at these two weeks and

(52:49):
not feel like Trump will has a an sense of
urgency that was not there in the first term. I
think the first term is like, oh, wow, we won,
We'll do some good stuff. We're going to kind of
figure this out, you know, let's build, let's build the
boat as we as we sail it. And this time
around it is there's no time to lose. The country
is at stake. Let's start taking this thing in the

(53:11):
right direction.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And Buck, you've known me a long time, I've had
an aversion.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
And almost fifteen years, will I've just we're kind of
old now, buddy, we're going back like twenty eleven, fourteen.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Years, I know, and we debate each other, and you
know some of my instincts. I've had an aversion throughout
my life to partisan politics, Like I just don't like
the idea of being on a political team. It's just
not like it just doesn't come east with me. I'm
laying this runway to tell you I've never been more
enthusiastic about the political state of America and what Trump
is calling the Golden Age that I am right now.

(53:43):
But there's a reason for that, Buck, It's I think
we are right now in this moment. It won't last forever,
but we are actually in an a political moment. This
is not left right Republican Democrat. We left that stupid
bipolar spectrum a long time ago. To your point, probably
starting in sixteen, like we really it doesn't mean anything
anymore and what Trump is. And again, I know it

(54:06):
can be sickmantic or sound like you're repeating talking points,
but this age of common sense thing, the revolution of
common sense is real. And so to celebrate this golden
age moment to me, isn't like waving your pomp poms
one particular political party. It's raising your pomp poms for
sanity and oh my god, yes, we understand the things

(54:27):
that make America unique and we're not ashamed of who
we are, and we're gonna honor merit. Like if you
guys want to make that left right thing, if you
want to make that a team thing, fine, that's fine
with me. But I'm gonna celebrate eternal values.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
Here who is doing things and isn't insane In the
Democrat Party right now, you said you you don't want
to get but I do think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I'm sure you saw Stephen A.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Smith at like two percent support to be the Democrat
nominee u Kamala. We didn't even play this audio yet,
but yesterday the DNC said raise your hand if you
think think racism and misogyny, you know, contributed to Waikamala
lost like they're so far down the identity politics trail.
Who on the Democrat side is like, Hey, this is crazy.

(55:12):
I can't even find anybody. It's it's I mean, Fetterman, maybe,
but he's not exactly an eloquent voice. Who do you
see as like somebody who could lead the Democrat Party
out of crazy town?

Speaker 4 (55:22):
No, no one except for who you mentioned Clay. By
the way, Clay, you had to have been a little bummed.
You're like, I was gonna your name was going to
show up on some presidential polling poll before stephen A. Smith.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
And I actually, I actually said after steven A got two,
I was like, I have to be able to get
more than two on the Republican side. If steven A
can get two on the Democrat side, they got to
include me somewhere.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
The question is, Clay, who runs for governor? First? You
for Tennessee or me for Texas. Raised it's Fetterman to
answer your question. I mean, if there is an answer,
the answer is probably there is not someone right now.
But if there is, it's Fetterman. Because at least there
is a sense that he is approaching things from some practical,
common sense perspective. He lands wrong on a whole host

(56:06):
of issues, but he's authentic the I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Wait, well, can we just step back for one second,
and I'm not disagreeing with your feder and position at all.
But the guy who had a severe stroke and was
having trouble speaking, and that's just a matter of fact.
I'm not not mocking. He was very serious. But that
guy is the most sensible Democrat on the scene now
from that position of eternal values and centrism and things

(56:33):
like that. I mean, he's the least crazy Democrat.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
So you've seen the jokes. Apparently the cure to leftism
is having a stroke. Yeah, yeah, then you can see
the light, you know, the fun that the thing about.
I mean, by the way, Buck, I want to interview him,
like the invite is out, and I'm going to probably
start with an apology, like I was pretty hard on him.
I was more hard on the Democratic voter for saying
I was.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I was hard on him too. I've actually apologized, well
just not not to interrupt you, sorry, but on the
sho I've said, you know, I think I was too
harsh on Fetterman because he actually has been pretty reasonable
and pretty good on some issues, keep.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Going and recovered and recovered more than I ever could
have expected, and he's an inspiration on that front. It's
more an indictment of the Democratic voter who is like
stroke can't talk, no problem, vote him in. But the
authenticity element is interesting because it's a huge appeal. I mean,
Trump is nothing if not authentic, So Fetterman's authentic. But like,

(57:29):
authenticity is a necessary but not sufficient bar you have
to cross, Like then you got to be kind of
likable after being real. And it's not that he's unlikable.
It's like the whole hoodie and basketball shorts thing. Yeah,
I appreciate that that's real, but that probably precludes you
from being president, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
I mean he showed up at the inauguration and a
hoodie in shorts. I mean there's a difference between being authentic, likable,
and real and also be not weird. Right, so the
the hoodie and the shorts, everything moves into weird category
for most people. Like if he showed up at the
presidential debate in a hoodie in shorts, you know, I

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think a lot of people would say, Okay, fine, I
get it, but this is weird.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
We can't we just can't run that out on the
world stage. Sorry, John, Sorry, Yeah, I'm just gonna gonna
have to pass.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Like not wearing a tie or like wearing a sweater instead.
Like maybe you can evolve and say, hey, you don't
have to be in a suit and tie. I can
understand that argument, but yeah, there is a limit there.
Last question for you, by the way, Will, where were
you when you heard Pete was getting the Department of
Defense secretary nomination?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And what was your first thought?

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Where was I Clay or was I Well, I think
I was home in Dallas, and.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I'm sure your phone blew up, like, oh it did?

Speaker 4 (58:49):
It did? It didn't come one hundred percent out of
the blue for me, because I knew some things could
possibly be in the works, and it happened pretty quickly.
But if you date back to the summer when we
interviewed Trump, he said, right there on camera, you'd be great.
I'd love to have you Secretary of Defense. So I
mean I kind of knew that that was a potentiality,

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even if it sounded, you know, unlikely at first, But
as it kind of slow rolled along, it's like, I
don't know the right analogy, but it is like maybe
if you're a Patriots fan, and you come back from
twenty eight three in the Super Bowl against the Atlanta
Falcons like that this pump or Vince Young fourth and
seven from the you know, fourth and goal from the

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seven against USC You're just like, oh my god, it
freaking happens. Man, that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Yeah, Will, Will grats, like Buck said, we've known you
for a long time.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah. I was gonna say, Man, everants to go check
out the show four o'clock. I know your ratings already huge, Will,
but we got a big radio audience, so they can
join they can join in the fray. Thanks so much.
Rats again.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
I'll see you guys at four clear schedules. Thank you.

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