Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 3 2025

America, hell yeah! Government speed vs. business speed. Julie Kelly on the FBI purge. Perceptions.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. Happy Monday. And it is
week three of the Trump administration and basically the legacy
media and all their cronies essentially unable to keep up

(00:21):
with anything that is going on on a day to
day basis. On Saturday, Trump said I'm going to put
a twenty five percent tariff on Mexican goods, twenty five
percent on Canada, ten percent on Canadian fuel. Within the
last hour, essentially, Mexico has folded in its standing up

(00:46):
to the Trump tariff threats. They have agreed to send
ten thousand additional soldiers to the border. They have agreed
to work harder to interdict the flow of fentanyl to
the the United States, and they have also been held
to a new standard, which is Trump is postponing the

(01:09):
impact of the tariffs for thirty days in the event
that Mexico makes good on its on its goals here,
which are really the United States goals Canada, I believe
there is a three pm deadline of sorts buck on
exactly what may happen with Canada. A lot of throat

(01:31):
clearing and threats coming from America's top hat to the north.
But I would expect that very quickly Canada will recognize
that they need the United States far more than the
United States needs Canada. And so what really is happening,
Whether buck you look, we've got a pattern now, Whether

(01:52):
you look at Columbia and its president refusing the return
of illegal immigrant migrants. Trump threat this retaliatory action, Columbia buckles.
Panama says, hey, we're not doing anything wrong. Even though
the Panama Canal is now being managed by Hong Kong.

(02:13):
We have Marco Rubio make his initial visit there. Panama's
president comes out to a large extent, bends the knee.
American power is back. We're not going to apologize, We're
going to use it. And all of the people who
are saying what Trump is going to do is not
going to work just look foolish. As one after another.

(02:35):
America's adversaries in many ways been the knee to US diplomacy.
It's amazing, Clay. I know you were sick this weekend,
and Clay fought through it. Everybody and is here on Monday.
Clays were hysterical by the way that you guys, Apparently
if you play the flute enough shirtless, your fever goes away.

(02:58):
According to the memes, that was good to know. But Clay,
I just this weekend, I was out at the shooting range.
It was a busy weekend here in South Florida. The
amount of amazing things Donald Trump is doing. It's tough
to keep up with what's going on, and you keep
seeing things. And my first reaction, my ex feed is
the best it's ever been. X is the best it

(03:20):
has ever been. Okay, so remember when everyone was like, oh,
Elon's going to destroy Twitter. No, actually, I think that
played a large role in getting the truth out about
all things Trump related for this election, which I believe
strongly helped Trump in the election. You know, it was
Trump's win, but I think there were some important pieces
that were in place for him to have the win.
And now when I open up my ex feed, it's,

(03:43):
you know, Trump threatens tariff with Mexico, Mexico caves. Trump
says Panama needs to change its Belton Road initiative with China.
I mean, this is again through people in the cabinet,
through Mark Rubio, but it's his administration and Panama now
is saying, you know what, we're not gonna renew with
China the special deal we have that's part of their
Belt and Road initiative, and we're going to change things

(04:05):
up to give you more preferential rights to the Panama Canal,
by the way, that's not over yet. And then on
top of it, you've got Elon Musk and Doge shutting
down USAID effectively. I'm not even sure what this is
so unprecedented that you would be seeing a tweet that
there's no longer a government, federal bureaucracy spending the billions,

(04:28):
the tens of billions that you have to say to yourself, wait,
is this really? Is this really what's happening? And the
FBI purge that happened Friday, well, you know you were
trying to hydrate and stay and stay you know, as
healthy as you could. I mean, Clay, all these things
together are remarkable. And Trump is just getting started. It's
week three. So what Elon basically has decided is and

(04:51):
I saw him just tweet this, But the number one
thing you have to first figure out is where does
the money come from that the United States distributes? And
he basically has gotten the keys to the government and
reports our buck that he has, I don't know five
or six mega brilliant kids, basically because they're supposedly like

(05:13):
nineteen to twenty four year old living in the office
and just looking at every possible expenditure to see whether
or not it's in any way warranted or it's our
tax dollars being distributed in an inefficient manner. And I
know that many people out there who run a business

(05:34):
understand the necessity of going over the accounts payable and
looking at what you're actually spending versus what you need.
I don't think our government's ever done this, and so
it's a form of shock treatment because whatever business you
deal with, if it's for profit, it's probably not mega

(05:56):
efficiently run. And many of you out there know what
I'm talking about. How many of you have been on
the phone with a healthcare provider and tried to figure
out your healthcare bill on an individual basis, and how
extremely excruciatingly frustrating that is. And that's a for profit business,
and there's still complete messes. Imagine what our federal government

(06:18):
looks like, where you have just layered trillions upon trillions
and trillions of dollars of expenditures and nobody ever really
takes the time to go through it and think about
it as a business would, In other words, is this
an intelligent way to spend money? And the people who
are shrinking the loudest right now have been fat hogs

(06:41):
who have been feeding at the trough of the United
States government for generations, and suddenly people are saying, wait
a minute, what is the taxpayer actually getting in exchange
for all this money we've been spending. I love this,
but you see this and you go, is this really?
Is this really happening? Look? Trump, Trump is blown out.
I knew term two was going to get off, you know,

(07:04):
off and running really fast.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think we knew based on the team that he
had and just the sense of destiny and everything around
trumpet Clay's We're in the third week here. The New
York Times headline Elon Musk's team now has access to
Treasury's payment systems. The Treasury Secretary Scott Besson gave Musk's
representatives at the so called don't you love The New

(07:27):
York Times hates this so much? These so called I
mean no. It's called the Department of Government Efficiency, a
powerful tool to monitor and limit government spending. Clay Elon
and his boys have the checkbook now, Yeah, they can
see exactly what's going. I mean, you want to talk
about a way to freak out the swamp and the

(07:48):
deep state. This is amazing. And we haven't even gotten
to the fact that senior FBI officials involved in the
January sixth persecutions are being given their walking papers. Essentially,
he's actually doing it. Yeah, and look, this is what
he tweeted thirty minutes ago. The only way to stop
fraud and waste of taxpayer money is to follow the

(08:09):
payment flows and pause suspicious transactions for review. Obviously, naturally
this causes those who have been aiding a betting and
receiving fraudulent payments to be very upset. Too bad. All
he did was ask how payments are made. One department
does them, and he wants to go look at it.

(08:31):
And I think this is indicative of and this is
why many of you out there would be incredibly frustrated
to work in a government and why I personally couldn't
do it. We were talking about this the other day.
You really just do meetings, and everybody is trying to
do meetings that create the least possible ripple effect from

(08:53):
their work. In other words, you don't want to really
get noticed, you don't really want to shake things up.
The government is big, your individual impact can't be that substantial,
is the way that I think many government workers have
come to think. And when you have a guaranteed paycheck,
I understand that what Elon Musk, through Trump, who has

(09:13):
empowered him, is doing is saying, I want to do
to the United States government what businesses that have been
run inefficiently for generations have to do in order to
survive in a competitive market. I want to bring to
bear business style policies on the federal government. And the

(09:35):
result so far Elon seems optimistic Buck that they're going
to be able to cut a trillion dollars in spending. Now,
if they can cut a trillion dollars in spending, then
balancing the budget suddenly becomes in play, even with an
extension of the tax cuts in the next couple of years,

(09:56):
with economic growth. And I think what Elon here is
thirty six trillion dollars basically in debt. Let me tell
you why that matters to every single one of you
out there. Interest rates aren't coming back down, Buck, the
FED has cut interest rates and mortgage rates. For those
of you out there who are in the shopping market

(10:17):
for a home market, know what I'm talking about. Thirty
year mortgage right back around seven percent. The overall interest
rate on whatever you pay, whether it's credit card, whether
it's cars, like I said, whether it's mortgage, it's not
coming back down. Why is that because I think that
bond markets and the interest markets in general have decided

(10:37):
that the risk on the United States at thirty six
trillion dollars in debt is substantial and the area, the
era of low cost borrowing is gone. And the only
way that can change is if we get control of
the American government deficit and bring it back down to
some form of rationality. That's how true growth happens for everybody.

(11:00):
And that seems to be the goal that Elon Musk
is pursuing. In addition to trying to put people on
Mars and try to remake social media, and trying to
make the most efficient car ever created in the history
of the world, and also Go Rescue the Go rescue
the astronauts from space buck. Elon is on maybe the

(11:21):
greatest run of any inventor entrepreneur in world history. Can
you think of somebody else who's been more impactful? Here's
I think you've hit on something that's really important, that
is defining this era that we're in right now, the
new Golden Era, however you want to phrase it. You

(11:44):
have the most I don't know, impactful, profound, transformative, let's
go transformative. You have the most transformative figure in corporate
America in our lifetime with Elon Musk, teamed up with

(12:06):
the most transformative political figure in our lifetime with Donald Trump.
This is something if you wrote the book, people would
if it were like a novel, people would say, no, way,
that is happening right now. It's incredible. It's like the
actual Avengers coming all to work in the furtherance of America.

(12:28):
And I mean if I told you two years ago, Clay,
that Elon Musk was going to get a team of
like computer ninjas and just guys who just want to
work one hundred and twenty hours a week to get
access to the Treasury Department's payment systems within week three
of Trump's second term, I mean that sounds insane, right, yes,
And I think this is where Trump deserves credit too.

(12:50):
Trump recognizes the talent, the necessity, and the sheer bad
ass ness of Elon Musk and his team to such
an extent that he has basically deputized them and said, hey,
go make the government great, go make it more efficient.
You have a skill set that very few people do,

(13:12):
and Elon's skill set is so rare that other supremely
talented people want to give to him and as a result,
give back to the country. And I Buck, I saw
I think you sent this tweet. And I've been admittedly
in bed, you know, fevers for the past couple of days,
such that I didn't even know when Luka Doncik got

(13:34):
traded for Sorry Dallas to the Lakers. I thought I
was like having a fever hallucination. I can't remember the
last time we have had any leadership in government where
every time I pick up my phone they do something
else brilliant and transcendent and transformative. And I just want

(13:56):
to say, America, Hell yeah. It has to be resonating
with many out there in the same way that it
is with you. And I saw your tweet and me,
I just it's it's incredible. I don't know that we've
ever in my lifetime marshaled the sheer amount of intellectual

(14:16):
firepower that Trump has put to bear on trying to
fix a broken government in virtually every facet simultaneously. It's exhilarating,
it really is. It's amazing. I mean, you know, people say,
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Speaker 1 (16:20):
Trump and Elon's onslaught of sanity continues, grows, expands. It's
an amazing thing that we are witnessing, my friends, enjoy it,
drink it all in. After all the years where we
were in the cultural and political wilderness. Uh. And I'm

(16:41):
not just talking about the four years of Biden. You
think back to eight years of Obama, UH, and what
they were able to do to sabotage Trump in the
first term and of course in the twenty twenty election.
To where we are now is an incredible story arc.
It is a it is a narrative that you wouldn't
believe unless the world was experiencing it, right, unless it

(17:03):
was actually happening. And it just continues every time, Clay,
every time I refresh my ex feed. Trump just assigned
an executive order to establish a sovereign wealth fund. He's
just moving at breakneck speed. And the implications for this,
I might add, are so profound, beyond even and we're

(17:23):
going to dive into some of the specific policies here
in a second. But Clay, just that the it's the government.
It can't be fixed. This is how it does what
it does. Just accept it. That mentality is under assault
now in a way that I don't even think a
lot of the American people. I don't know if any
American people really until Trump came along thought it was possible,

(17:44):
and that brings me to a few things here. One
is Elon Musk sharing on his platform x Time to
confess media reports saying that Doge has some of the
world's best software engineers are in fact true. He's just
trolling every buddy. They have access now, people who are
better at the Internet, and just understanding how the architecture

(18:09):
of the electronic world we live in functions Clay. They've
got access to the Treasury Department's payment portal and they're
going through everything and they're looking to see apparently they
weren't even paying attention to what kind of fraud they
were paying out before. And I mean this is is
such a sea change. And now on the us AID front,

(18:29):
which the office, the main office in DC is shut
down today and people are being told to work from
home pursuing too. I would assume some major changes going
in the governments in that government structure. But Marco Rubio
had this to say about Yeah, USAID, it's kind of
a crappy place, listen to it.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, there are things that USAID that we do through
USAID that we should continue to do and we will
continue to do. But everything they do has to be
in alignment with the national interest in the foreign policy
of the United States, and the attitude that USAID has
adopted over the years is no, we are independent of
the national interest. We fund programs irrespective of whether it's
aligned or not aligned with a foreign policy.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
That's ridiculous. These are tax payer dollars.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Every penny that we spend in foreign eight needs to
be in furtherance and aligned with the national interest and
the foreign policy of the United States. So this is
not about ending the programs that USAID does per se.
There are things that it does that are good, and
there are things that it does that we have strong
questions about. It's about the way it operates as an entity,
and they're supposed to take directions from the State Department,

(19:36):
policy directions they do not clay.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
This is the critical point that Secretary of Rubio is making.
It is about bringing these government institutions that are in
the executive purview exec under the executive branch, bringing them
to heal so that they understand they are not their
own thing that get to just exist and make their
own decisions about the future of this country with tax

(19:59):
pa dollars. I think the big picture that we're seeing
here so far is, you know, we've talked buck about
how Democrats don't seem to be able to respond, front
page story in the New York Times saying like, what
do democrats stand for? One of the issues they have
is Democrats are very good at being told what to

(20:22):
do and march in lockstep right. They are sort of
a monive mind anyways, high mind. You know, if somebody
speaks and they all go out and they repeat the
talking points. And what's interesting is that is a very
government based way of thinking because it's top down, but

(20:42):
it relies on sort of everybody moving in concert. I
don't know if we have the cut of Chuck Schumer
talking about how beer prices. He's trying to connect with
people talking about the Super Bowl, and he's like, your
prices on beer are going to go up, and the
avocados that you use to make packamole, those costs are
going to go up as well. The problem that you're

(21:05):
seeing happen here is and I thought about it as
I was reading all my morning papers and expecting that
we were going to get a resolution, is they all
think catastrophe is coming, and then Trump is negotiating and
before the catastrophe is coming. He's getting a better deal,
and we're stepping back often from the edge. They don't

(21:27):
have the ability buck to respond because they're moving at
government speed and Trump is moving at business speed. And
then you combine it with social media, which moves faster
than any legacy media can move. And so by the
time a story gets to people, it's old news. It
happened with Columbia, Like you scrolled through your phone and

(21:48):
they're like, oh, my goodness, it's Valentine's Day coming up soon,
and do you know how much more your roses are
going to cost? Do you know how much more your
blueberry smoothies are going to cost your coffee? And then
Columbia ro Lens and all their talking points just look ridiculous.
They're too slow to react, and by the time they react,
what they're reacting to doesn't exist anymore. It's like, you

(22:10):
remember a war. Every war is fought, you're a military
history guy like i am. Every war is fought with
the technology of the previous war. Democrats are fighting Trump
with the technology of a pre existing war. And Trump
has changed the rules of the game, and they aren't
able to meet him in intellectual combat as a result. Well,

(22:34):
I think there's been a an equalizing of the armaments
in this ideological war that can be brought to bear
on both sides. Right, So, yes, they they have a
playbook that's we have media dominant, social media dominance, so
we can just hammer the message and do whatever we want.
And that's not working. Clay, the New York I cut

(22:57):
this out. I thought we would do a whole segment
on it, but you mentioned so I'll just give the
headline New York Times quote, we have no coherent message.
Democrats struggle to oppose Trump. More than fifty interviews with
Democratic leaders reveal the parties struggling to decide what it
believes in, what issues to prioritize, and how to confront
an aggressive right wing administration. Can I just point out

(23:20):
we have been saying this since Trump's victory. Our assessment
of the other side on this show has been it's
like crickets chirping, they got nothing. And this isn't right
wing talk radio or no, no, that is an accurate assessment.
Democrats are telling that to the New York Times. Okay,
trust me. The New York Times can get fifty high

(23:40):
level former Biden staffers and Kamala campaign people and whatever
to sit and talk to them, and they're all saying
the same thing, which is, what are we supposed to
do here? Because they had built their whole future on
the destruction of Trump? And what do they have, Clay,
not just the rise of Trump? But really it's like Trump.

(24:00):
It's like Gandolf the White when he comes back after
fighting the ball rog, Like we're in a whole new era.
To be honest, Buck, a part of me wonders, what
is Trump gonna have left to do? I mean, in
all sincerity, he's moving so fast to do so much
right now. And I give him credit because we talked

(24:21):
about he may only have a year or eighteen months
before everything bogs down again. Congress. This is where it's
really can he get the narrow majority he has, especially
on spending and with reconciliation? And so here's what I
see Cause your point about the executive orders, Yeah, I
don't think we're gonna wake up in July and we're
gonna have amazing executive orders flying from the White House,

(24:44):
not because of anything other than I think a lot
of the smart stuff that they've thought about, they've been
putting into action. So your point on that well taken.
I agree. I think this is creating a reservoir of
political capital for Trump within I mean, not that he
really needs any, but to the degree that that's a
thing within the Republican Party. And I also think it's

(25:04):
creating a sense of urgency within the GOP that you
either get on board or we really are paying attention.
We know that change can happen, and if you're going
to try to stand to thwart this, to protect the
old ways, so to speak, of the GOP establishment, you're
going to get steamrolled by MAGA in a big way.
I don't think there's any doubt. Now, what I will

(25:26):
expect is there will be some Democrat senators, governors for sure,
and probably congress people as well, that are going to
do everything they can to try to basically, using your
metaphor there, throw themselves across the train tracks to try
to stall what is coming. But I think in general

(25:49):
the challenge they have is whatever they're responding to is
often already passed, and whatever calamity they claim is going
to occur doesn't materialize. And guys, if we can grab
that footage of Chuck Schumer coming out and talking about
how beer comes from Mexico and do we have that

(26:09):
cut twenty nine? Here is this Buck. I think it
kind of illustrates what I'm talking about, just a fundamental
inability to respond. The dynamics of the deal change so
quickly that whatever they say publicly is outdated almost immediately.
Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
Let's just take Super Bowl Sunday. Okay, it's going to
affect beer. Okay, most of it Corona here comes from Mexico.
It's going to affect your block because what is guacamole
made of avocados both from Mexico.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay, as awkward as this is, they're like, hey, politician
who does not know what normal people are like, We're
going to give you a beer, and we're going to
give you an avocado, and we're going to have you
argue that Super Bowl Sunday is going to be an impact.
And first of all, Buck, most beer doesn't come for Mexico.
You could buy Impact. You could buy virtually all your

(27:05):
beer in the United States born. And that's one of
the best things that America does is create a bevy
of beer. I'm not a beer drinker for obvious reasons,
but I used to be, and I could tell you
if Corona was so great, you wouldn't have to drop
a line in it. I'm just saying. And then on
the notion that your avocado is going to get so
much more expensive and all this stuff, Okay, first of all,

(27:25):
not true to your points, not even what's happening. But
let's just unpack this for a second. Trump is trying
to get the necessary assistance from Mexico so that we
don't have a wide open border with ten million illegals
piling in. Whatever the number is, guys, Okay, don't you know,
maybe it's fifteen million. Who cares. Point is ten million
plus illegals piling in every four years, one hundred thousand

(27:47):
people dying every year of fentanyl overdoses or something close
to it, cartel activity, human smuggling, all of this stuff.
You know, if we can get help on that, and
it means our avocados are a little more expensive, the
American people are actually okay with that. You know, this
is the part of the Democrats don't seem to understand.
Trump is using leverage for more important goals. He's not

(28:07):
just you know, lightened mounds of avocados on fire in
spite he's trying to get foreign partners to actually be partners,
and turns out some of them are realizing there is
a new sheriff in town. But their response is, we're
gonna have Chuck Schumer show up and hold the avocado.

(28:28):
And back to the optics of it, they're absurd. They're absurd.
But if it is where they are and they're so
far behind, it's important. Who's a better symbol for the
Democrats right now than Chuck Schumer? Who's more effective. I'm
not saying Chuck Schumer is effective, he's better. I don't
think they do you, I mean, really, do you think
they have one right now? AOC would get laughed at.

(28:49):
I think it's funny. I think Fetterman because at least
him holding up a beer and I don't think he
would do it, but at least he's way too nice
to Republicans for the Democrat basis right, right right, I
totally get that. And he's also wrong on Israel from
their perspective. I'm just saying, who could hold up an
avocado and a beer talking about their Super Bowl party

(29:10):
and me not think they look ridiculous? At least I
think Fetterman's going to probably have a beer in some
avocado at his super Bowl party. I don't think that
Chuck Schumer is going to watch the super Bowl other
than to be like, oh, this is what you know
the humans are doing right Like So, one of the
things that is so amazing about all of this is
the whole Trump era. Trump, a multi billionaire from Manhattan,

(29:35):
is somehow more normal than all of these other politicians
who have none of his wealth advantages or upbringing. How
is that even possible? Like? How is Trump better at
connecting with normal people from his Trump Tower, you know,
suite than most of these politicians who grew up in

(29:55):
otherwise quote unquote normal circumstances that most Americans at least
could connect with. It's kind of remarkable. And you know
who's not particularly normal These USAID employees who are all
going to be standing outside their office sad face on
if they try to show up. They're like, wait, we
have jobs forever. The department is here forever. And turns

(30:17):
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Speaker 1 (32:02):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. We haven't really
gotten into this yet because there's been so much big
stuff happening. But it turns out that the deep state
is not so comfortable over at the FBI anymore. In fact,
there have been some senior level resignations, people being pushed
out looking for more about who was involved in J six.
Julie Kelly joins us now. She is the author on

(32:27):
sub Stack of Declassified with Julie Kelly, and I highly
recommend you see what she is writing these days. Julie,
bring us up to speed, because you know these aren't
just random names and news stories. You've been following some
of these characters at the FBI and what they've done
to j six people you know at the senior level
in particular. But bring us into the shock waves that

(32:49):
have MSNBC putting former FBI people on the TV to
tell us that fascism is here. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
So, we know about the purge at the DOJ of
some top officials who were involved in this ongoing law
fare against President Trump. Some of them were reassigned to
an immigration enforcement unit, and at least one of them
resigned because he really doesn't want to get his fingernails dirty.
He'd rather be doing the dirty work of the Democratic Party.
Those days, of course, are over. We also know that

(33:20):
several assistant US attorneys in the DCUs Attorney's Office, the
office that has been handling or was handling the January
sixth investigation and prosecution, they also have been terminated. But
now we're focused on this purge at the FBI, several
top officials, including the deputy director at the Washington Field office.

(33:44):
It looks like the head of the Las Vegas field
office and a few more have been retired, resigned, let go.
We're not really sure what the circumstances how they went
about that. Really interesting. What I'm keeping an eye on today,
you guys, is this questionnaire that was sent out over

(34:06):
the weekend or maybe it was Friday, to every employee
asking them to account for their involvement in the J
six prosecution and investigation. Now we know, because Chris Ray
used to brag about every single one of the fifty
six FBI field offices were involved in that investigation prosecution.

(34:27):
What the acting FBI director has been asked to do,
and it appears, when we can talk about him as well,
that he is being somewhat defiant in executing this order
and this questionnaire to all of these employees asking them
what they did or they witnesses at trials? Did they
surveil Americans? Were they handling search warrants? Were they handling

(34:51):
these armed raids? That questionnaire is due back this afternoon
and then we will see from there what the acting
DOJ officials want to do with that hold off and
tell Pamboni is confirmed or take some immediate action.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Julie, is there anything Trump hasn't done yet that you
think he should done? Should do your way out in
front on part in all the jan sixers, he did that.
The blowback has been almost non existent. I think partly
that's because of how absolutely indefensible many of the pardons
that Biden gave on his way out were. But you

(35:30):
won that battle. It has been transformative, I think for
many people out there had to deal with those prosecutions.
What's on your checklist that Trump hasn't done yet? And
can you believe what he's already done in basically fourteen days.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
No, I can't. I mean I think I said the
other day, this is something that I used to like
dream about, is that these prosecutors would feel the same
sort of pain that they've inflicted on j six Ers.
Now certainly all of the FBI agents who were involved
as well. So yes, I mean, this is stunning, And
again kudos to President Trump, the acting Attorney General James McHenry,

(36:11):
the acting Deputy Attorney General A. Mil Bove, who will
remain in the Department of Justice after Pam Bondi, and
the permanent Deputy Attorney General Todd Lanche is confirmed. So
this has exceeded my wildest dreams, and they really were
wild dreams because I thought these people are never going
to be held accountable for what they're doing. But a

(36:33):
few things. I really hope that the President considers pardoning
the rest of the people. Those fourteen individuals whose sentences
were commuted, a few of them Thomas Caldwell for example,
and I hope you guys have him on your show.
He wasn't sentenced to prison, He was not a member
of the oath keepers. He had one charge left against

(36:53):
him at the end of the day, and that was
tampering with documents because he got rid of his Facebook account,
believe it or not, and that was even vacated by
the judge. So I really would like to see the
President consider pardoning those individuals as well. Also, we have
the whit murph fed napping hoax. We have two men
in super max prisons being tortured. I mean they are

(37:16):
with the country's most hardened repeat offender, serious criminals, serious terrorists,
and of course those men also in trapp by the FBI.
I would like to see his DJ if not part
in those two individuals, but launch an investigation into what
happened there. So, but I'm not complaining because this is,

(37:37):
as I said, a far better start than any of
us could have dreamed of.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
What do you think comes next? Is this all, Julia?
I know you've been following this so closely. Is this
going to just get tangled up in the courts really fast?
Because really, at the heart of this, it seems to
me that there is this belief that if you work
for the federal government you just can't be fired. I mean,
you know that you get to just do what you
do and nothing ever happens. And then when you have

(38:03):
a president who comes in and with presidential power and
with his appointees and saying no, I'm sorry, there is
going to be accountability. What would it mean if the
courts overturned this and said no, sorry, you actually can't
fire these FBI? Did you see what I mean? What
do you think happens next? And what are the implications
of it?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:22):
So, this very well could end up in the courts.
You had normalize in our favorite lawfare architect and Mark
zaid send a letter to the Department of Justice yesterday
warning that you'll love this, you will love this. That
thed process and constitutional rights of these prosecutors and FBI
agents are being violated, that they are going to be

(38:44):
subject to doxing and harassment because they are being exposed
for what they've done, especially in the j sixth investigation,
and that these lawyers will pursue some sort of legal
means to defend these government andoyees from getting the acts.
So it could end up in the courts. The problem
is it will probably end up in the DC courts

(39:07):
before the very same judges who have put their informader
on every aspect of this lawfare, from President Trump down
to some of his associates and associates that of course
almost one thousand and six hundred JA six defendants. So
I figured this will be a battle, but you know
there's going to be risk involved for that side as well,

(39:27):
and that is arguing why they should have been fired
and what they did, whether it was top DOJ officials
or you know, an FBI case agent out of a
field office in Nevada or in Texas. So this full
accounting is going to be very eye opening, and I
think that they're kind of setting the table for Pambody

(39:48):
and Cash Pattel to take this information that they have
and then decide how they want to pursue their own
investigations or inquiries into the DOJ and FBI.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
This is all very importan, and you've done tremendous work,
as has Trump. How impressed Be honest, Julie, are you
with my unbelievable recovery from the flu and also the
fact that I have barely talked about it at all.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
I just I just want to give thanks to God
for sparing you from the sniffles. I mean it's really
sounded touch and go. And now we have to send
prayers out to Jesse.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Kelly, I know you're weighing in. Jesse's entire family is
about to go down with the flu. And I was
very brave. I stayed in bed, I watched twelve hours
of college basketball and they I frankly think it was
a heroic battle. I was fighting.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I painted save Clay on water tower outside my house,
and now I'm going to have to go change it
save Jesse because and who knows who's next? I mean,
this is this is quite quite the cult.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
The men in America are under siege. I mean, we
just don't talk about our health as often as we should.
But it were really all very steadfast troopers, and Julie
just you know. You may think it's ai that Fauci
visited Clay with a special check in to make sure
he got his fourteenth booster, but there are some people
out there who don't accept that explanation and think that

(41:17):
really it was just surveillance footage the Fauci memes that.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I really showed up. We would have a far different.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Outcome for Clay, So that's very true.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm glad that's not real.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Julie, you continue to dominate. We appreciate you taking the
time to come on. And also I want to give
producer Greg a shout out because it was his creation
of that Fauci meme that as I was deliriously rolling
over in a fever, wasn't sure if I was going
to make it or not. That was the thing that
was on my phone. So I appreciate Greg. Julie, I

(41:52):
expect that when you get the flu, you'll also be
doing eight other jobs at the same time as most
women do. But we we appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
All right, guys, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Thank you buck do you that's Julie Kelly who does
fabulous work. Do you buy into the fact as women
like to argue that all men when they get sick,
are complete and total hooses. Is this a unfair attack
on masculinity or do you think we're more of hooses
when we get sick than women are. I just think
that my view on this is that men, particularly when

(42:27):
they're sick, they want that feminine nurturing from the misses,
and so they ham it up a little bit, you know,
a little bit like, oh, I don't know if I'm
ever gonna be here the same again. Can you bring
me some chicken noodle soup, honey, you know? Or as
I think women don't really you know what I mean.
I think that they just they don't have any desire
for male nurturing. Like I don't think Laura thinks you're

(42:48):
gonna make from scratch chicken noodle soup from her because
it would probably not taste very good, So she's not
angling at accurate. That's actually a good thesis on what's
going on here, because women do regularly attack men. But
I will say that my battle with the flu this
weekend was probably the equivalent of ten labor deliveries by women.

(43:08):
That's just how hard I was fighting again humbly. Maybe
maybe nine maybe nine baby deliveries. I mean, it's just
like my immune system, the battle that I was fighting.
I just think it's important for all of you to know.
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It was the great tear four that wasn't leading Chuck
Schumer hosting on Avocado and one hand in a corona
in the other and saying your super Bowl party is
going to be ruined because of Donald Trump. One thing
I would suggest, Buck, maybe the stock market needs to
stop being as reactive to trump public commentary. I saw

(45:17):
the stock market was down I think like two and
a half percent this morning off the start before Mexico
pledged ten thousand troops to the border growing fentanyl. They
just arrested one of the cartel leaders. And when you
look at how the stock market has moved. Since it's

(45:38):
all basically come back, there is almost no change to
the day's activities so far. Question for you, and I'm
going to dive into the Democrat parties ongoing major identity
crisis here for you. Do you think Trump putting Mexico's
president on notice about border security and the fact that

(46:01):
he will not allow the same level of illegal drugs
crossing our border actually makes her job easier because it
makes her and Mexican government officials able to say, hey,
our hands are tied. This is the US. In other words.

(46:22):
And I haven't heard a lot of people analyze this,
but I'm curious what you would say there has talked
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, friend of both of ours, has said,
we're prepared to attack the cartels. Mexico may say publicly, no, no, no,
this is our sovereign territory all those things. Do you
think privately through back channels they actually welcome that in

(46:42):
some way because it focuses the cartel's ire on the
United States as opposed to Mexican targets. I actually think
that's under discussed, but potentially from a negotiating perspective, one
of these things where you say one thing publicly and
then are saying something else privately. That really gets into

(47:03):
I think it's really interesting theory and it gets into
a level of understanding the cartels. Maybe we should bring
on And if you know who Joan Grillo is, I've interviewed.
I love to talk to a cartel expert. Fascinating. He's
lived in Mexico for almost thirty years. I think he's
a British guy and he's really just been covering the cartels.
He was on a Rogan show a while back. But
I think getting an understanding of how enmeshed are the

(47:26):
cartels with local government national government in Mexico now talking
about on that side of things, and what the response
would be, I mean, doing military strikes in Mexico without
the Mexican government's approval or authority, is that that's a
thorny that's a thorny thing to try to grab onto.
I doubt that's in the near future. However, if the

(47:49):
Mexican government increasingly feels like it's pushed into a corner
by Trump on these issues, as sending ten thousand troops
of the border seems to be an indication of we
could see a change in their posture, and so you know,
it's basically clay. I think it's too early to know,
but you ask of how does this affect politics internally

(48:16):
in Mexico and what is the response going to be.
I mean, there's gonna be a lot of ire against
Trump no matter what on this stuff. But that's kind
of the point. He's trying to shake things up. He's
trying to rattle cages. This is not meant to be
a big, warm hug from Trump to the Mexican government.
So let's see, let's see. I mean, so far, I

(48:37):
just feel like, now Trump's got He's just racking up
so many wins that I would be or anyone I
think should be very slow to questioning is always fine,
but to be, you know, overly negative about the outlook
I think doesn't make much sense given the recent track record.
I mentioned Chuck Schumer standing with avocados in hand and

(49:01):
a beer in the other and trying to blame Trump.
One reason buck that the Democrat response has been so
patently awful. There's an article in the front page of
the New York Times and it basically is like, hey,
we have no message, And I think that's somewhat interesting,

(49:21):
But to me, what's They had a DNC selection over
the weekend. A new leader was selected for the DNC,
and that new leader was elevated on the premise of, Hey, basically,
people don't know what we actually believe that the reason
we lost in twenty twenty four was messaging and nothing else.

(49:45):
And I actually think that's not true at all. What
the problem Democrats have is most Americans know what they
stand for and don't like it. A poll came out
from Quinnipiac over the last several days. It had Democrats
said I think it was fifty seven or fifty eight
percent disapproval, the highest level of disapproval for the party

(50:08):
in fifteen years. And New York Times today they said,
what are Americans' personal priorities? What do they want the
government to focus on? And I thought this was interesting.
If you're a politician, this would be data that obviously
would go to the essence of your job. The things
that the average American cares about the economy Number one

(50:31):
health care primarily, I would bet buck health care costs, affordability,
insurance crisis, all that, immigration, taxes, crime, those are according
to the New York times in a poll that they
just did the five things that Americans most care about,
What do they say Democrats care about number And I

(50:53):
want you to think of that and want you to
think about how this overlaps with what Americans care about.
Abortion No. Number One thing that Democrats care about the most.
I think that that's an accurate perception. Second, LGBT policy,
I think that that is an accurate perception. Oh my god,

(51:14):
Third buck climate change. Third thing that Americans believe Democrats
care about the most. Fourth the state of democracy. The
first four things that Americans perceive Democrats to care about
the most don't rank on the five things that Americans

(51:36):
care about the most. Healthcare is fifth on the list.
Only one of their five priorities do Americans care about.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
This is why I would offer that Trump's victory is
a necessary national corrective, that this was a restoration of
sanity and the Democratic Party was truly delusional. I mean,
I think the Democrat Party has been rooted in delusion
for years, but it reached a really a pinnacle. It

(52:09):
reached a new summit. And this is the beginning of
turning this around. Clay. It would be as though we
were let's say, if you think of the country almost
like we are talking about let's say securing our home, right,
how do you secure your home? And the Republicans sit
around and they're saying, well, we got to check our

(52:30):
locks have an alarm system. And it used to be
maybe Democrats would say, no, you need to make sure
that you know you've got you know, trip wires on
the outside, or you need to make sure your neighbors
have a neighbor would watch. That's actually more like Democrats
a neighborhood watch program or something. And now when we
say let's secure our home, meaning this country, Democrats are saying,
I'm worried about the boogeyman. Yeah, I'm worried about you know,

(52:52):
a monster in the closet. And you're sitting there looking
at the me like that's not even a thing. What
are you talking about? How can climate change be one
of the biggest concerns that Democrats have that there's nothing
even if they were right, it's not going to change,
meaning that no one's going to stop. You know, we
have one hundred and fifty or one hundred and forty

(53:12):
year fossil fuel infrastructure, as was well stated in Landman, Right, Yeah,
This isn't going to change. China is not going to change,
India is not going to change. They're sitting around whining
about nonsense as the most important thing in the country.
At least climate change. You can argue, there's something to
be done to me. The craziest one on here, Buck,

(53:35):
is lgbt policy. What do they want? That's crazy? And
the data reflects interestingly, Buck, only four percent of Americans
care the most about LGBTQ issues. Probably the four percent
of America that tends to be LBGTQ ish would be
my argument there. But they say Democrats thirty one percent

(54:00):
of Americans say it's Democrats top priority. It's just such
a fundamental misapprehension of the national mood you've seen. But Clay,
you've seen that. The Trump administration, for example, I think
has again if I ever say something that's not this
stuff is happening so fast online. But there's been a change.

(54:20):
I think they've removed from some government websites the t
meaning you know, the trans components of all of this,
or at least that's you know, this is in process
where it's lgb you know, you said it, You go, okay,
they're so concerned with LGB T member. It was LGB
t q I A plus under Biden l g B
t q I A plus. Do not forget that is

(54:42):
the acronym that they were forcing us all to say.
And as if Joe Biden could remember more than two
or three of those letters. I mean, can you imagine
if you'd actually, when he's giving a speech, said hey,
what's the I? What's the A? You know, hey, Joe,
you're the president. You talked about what got They used
him as a as a you know, intersex, they used

(55:02):
that's what I'm here for. They used Actually, no, I
don't even know what that is. By the way, I
don't even know. Every now and then there are some
that are out there is interse. I don't what is intersex?
Like you're both, it means you're between male and female.
You're something, go back something else, you shift like one day, No, no,

(55:23):
that's bisexual or I'm sorry, no, you're talking about you're
talking about your identity Clay. Pan Sexual is this is
so ridiculous. Pan Sexual is where you can just be
like anything, right, You're into every You're into everything in
terms of your sexual preference, and what is every letter

(55:44):
your your gender is in between male and female. You're
neither male nor female. So but but hold on, so
this is yes, it's crazy, right, But but what what
you see is when they when you have the Democrats
say that LGBT rights or whatever are the top five issue,
what is it? Number three on the list? Number no,
Number two and two on their list. According to the

(56:05):
American public, a lot of a lot of gay and
lesbian Americans in particular, I think, have figured out that
it's really all about the tea for the Democrat. Yes,
you know, you know, gay, gay and lesbian Americans can
get married in all fifty states, have equal rights in
all fifty states. You know, you go, what is what

(56:26):
is the great? That's my challenge of the lgbt q
I plus community. You know, the challenges that the gay
and lesbian community have mirror the challenges that every other
American has, because they're just like every other American under
the law and otherwise. And so then it's just about
like do we need to trans kids? And I think
you know, you and I have gay friends in the
conservative movement, for example, who look at this and they're

(56:48):
incredibly not only opposed to it, but angry that somehow
being gay is supposed to be wrapped in ye with
I think a twelve year old needs puberty blockers. And
if you don't think that's a good idea, you're a
horrible person. You know. Interesting, I tell you I would
submit to you, Buck, And I don't know if we've

(57:08):
gotten data on this. I bet Trump got more gay
and lesbian support in twenty twenty four than any Republican
presidential candidate ever has in history. Like that. I bet
on that too. I wouldn't take the other side of
that bet. Yeah. By the way, we can talk about
this a little bit more. But I thought it was interesting.
What does the American public perceive the Republican Party to
care about? Immigration, the economy, taxes, the things that they

(57:34):
actually care about. Sometimes we overthink things. The party that
does the best job of representing the American public typically
is the party that is talking about the things that
the American public is most concerned about. Democrats don't have
a messaging issue, Buck, Huh, they have a party issue. Well,
the Republican Party has actually become the party of we

(57:57):
care about whether you can safely walk down the street, eat,
whether you're able to pay your bills, whether you're able
to you know, compete in the in the job market fairly,
job marketplace fairly. You know, the things that actually affect
you and the things that actually matter. And the Democrats,

(58:20):
as you've been laying out, are the party of imaginary
you know, like like tilting at windmills, you know, imaginary challenges.
And these are things in some cases, like with climate change,
it's just nuts. And that's why they're even the New
York Times are saying, guys, we got to come up
with something else. This can't be what the problem, Clay
is that this is who they are as a party. Now,

(58:44):
this is not a you know, this is not some
digression from the main the meat of what it is
that they really this is who Democrats are. It's about
trans and climate change and democracy and anti you know
on Trump terrain syndrome. That is what their party has become.
What is their economic message. So the messaging isn't the problem.

(59:08):
Americans have gotten it and they've rejected it. Right, this
is important and Democrats still haven't realized it because you
know what it requires Buck looking in the mirror and
being like, hey, oh yeah, we're freaking crazy, and I
almost curse there like, people know what we stand for
and they don't like it. They can't they can't conceive

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