Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 17 2025

History matters. Veep Vance on free speech. Remembering Rush. The DM slide.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off
right now. I hope you all had a fantastic weekend,
and as seems to be the case every day, we
come to you with so many things happening, so many
news stories to tackle, and some very good news of course,
continue to come in from the Trump administration, in this

(00:21):
case pretending to the continued moves at the border that
have changed the whole paradigm. We are in a new
era of border security thanks to the Trump administration. We
shall discuss that Trump was at the Daytona five hundred.
We got some soundbites from him there. He was talking

(00:42):
about well, he was talking about a lot of things,
but we'll give you some of that. We have more
from Doge Elon Musk and his team diving in finding things.
I think that Elon is for the most part going
to be accurate on the first on the first go round,
meaning when he says something, I think the chances are

(01:03):
probably ninety percent plus, meaning they found something that looks
bad in the government, in the budgeting and the spending.
I think the chances they're nine out of ten that
it's going to be accurate, and it's a problem. Some
of the stuff that they're finding is just wild. I
mean that paying social Security benefits to millions of people
that shouldn't be getting them, including people who are dead,

(01:26):
so they definitely should not be getting social Security benefits.
I'm pretty sure of that. We will break down that
for you. Also some indications of where things are going
on Russia and Ukraine for the Ukraine Wars. You know,
Trump wants to bring that to a close. But this
was what was really tearing it up over the weekend,

(01:46):
you know, Clay, I had a mellow weekend here. I
was in charge of Ginger. Carrie was with her family,
so as long as everything was fine with the dog,
that was my only responsibility. So I had a little
time and I was able to watch the Munich Security
Conference speech that JD. Vance gave. It's about twenty twenty
plus minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm just saying that entire sentence is one of the nerdiest,
one of the nerdiest intros of all times. I was
super excited to watch the Munich Security speech. But this
thing is good, It is really good.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
It was phenomenal. You should honestly, if you have the time,
you don't need to really watch it. You can listen.
It's twenty minutes long. It comes up if you just
you know. We're to do a simple, simple Internet search
on it. It's one of the best speeches I've heard
a US senior official give on foreign policy in many years,
many years. It is an absolute home run of a speech.

(02:43):
But it goes to the issue of free speech and
free speech as the basis for a free society. Can
you have a free society without free speech? I would
say the answer is no, and Europe is very decidedly
against free speech. We'll dive into that here momentarily, but
before we start making fun of the Germans for not

(03:04):
liking free speech very much, which is certainly the case
on our own CBS News, not ours, but it's American,
so it's kind of our fault, you know. CBS News.
Margaret Brennan, who is now she's Clay. She's been giving
us more than the view lately in terms of soundbites
that we have fun with on this show. She is

(03:24):
not doing herself and her brand in her network any favors.
I want you to listen to her with Secretary of
State Rubio, who he just had on telling she's telling
Secretary of State Rubio. In the context of the JD
Van speech about free speech in Europe, she's saying, but
free speech led to the Holocaust. Play three.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well, he was standing in a country where free speech
was weaponized to kentuct a genocide, and he met with
the head of a political party that has far right
views and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context
of that was changing the tone of it.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
And you know that that the.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Censorship disagree with you specifically about the right.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Now I have to disagree with you. Free speech was
not used to conduct a genocide. The genocide was conducted
by an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also be
genocidal because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities, and
they hated those that they had a list of people
they hated, but primarily the Jews. There was no free
speech in Nazi Germany. There was none. There was also
no opposition in Nazi Germany. They were a sole and
only party that governed that country. So that's not an

(04:33):
accurate reflection of history.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
This is a big deal. But what was your reaction
to it? First?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
First, well, let me starting a positive. It's such a
moronic thing to say that. I think it would have
been easy to not respond like Rubio did and just
annihilate the premise of the question. Everyone out there knows
this experience where someone says some things so crazy that

(05:02):
you don't know exactly how to respond immediately.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's not even wrong, you know, you're like, that's not
even wrong. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, and so the fact that he not only responded
but hammered it out of the park is a credit
to Marco Rubio.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And let me just say this because we're going to
talk about it more.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
JD Vance and Marco Rubio are elite intellects representing the
Trump administration on an international stage right now. And I
think it's been a long time since we have had
truly elite intellex and your point on the JD Vance speech,
Marco Rubio, We've had on this program a lot. These

(05:42):
guys are not only smart, they're functionally smart. They're able
to explain why things matter, and sometimes smart people don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well. Okay, so that's point one. Let's give credit to
Marco Rubio.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Point two, Margaret Brennan is and we're gonna play some
sixty minutes clips in a little while, CBS News has
lit itself on fire, and Margaret Brennan is supposed to
be the supreme intellect of the CBS News organization. That's
why they give her this show to host, That's why

(06:17):
they allow her to talk to all these newsmakers. She's
a moron, and I think this is important. You know this, well, Buck,
but we got a hammer.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Do you think she's Do you think she's a moron
or do you think that she's just so indoctrinated that
she's incapable of accessing whatever cognition? I mean, you know,
she's she's a I don't think she's dumb. I just
think that she's completely brainwashed.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, well that's interesting, I mean dumber, brainwashed. Here's why
I think dumb. I mean she speaks in Arabic like
she actually is. She's got some she's got some skill set,
but she has no judgment whatsoever. Okay, that's a good point.
It reminds me. So I'm gonna go on, dumb, You're
gonna go on brainwashed. Here's a you know, she's an ideologue.

(07:01):
She's like a cult member of the left. That's what
I see.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But what she's addressing there Clay when she says free
speech leads to genocide. Journalists believe this. Now, this is
a widespread thing, that she's not the only one. This
is why it's so important and so powerful. It's not
just like, oh, Margaret Brennan is out to lunch on
this stuff. The belief is, if you can say that
we don't want to legal aliens in this country, it's

(07:25):
going to lead to genocide. If you can say trans
people don't exist, it's going to lead to genocide. That
is a mandatory left wing belief. Now, yes, and so
what I think is important. This is why studying history matters,
And this is why studying history with an open mind matters.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Long before you should have a developed political philosophy, we
should be teaching kids what history is. And I know
that a lot of times, I'm a history major. We
talk about the fact that both you and I are
history nerds. We have a profoundly historically illiterate country, and
buck I think that is in many ways intentional, because

(08:04):
if you don't understand the history of this country and
the history of the world at large, you have the
memory of a goldfish, and you can be convinced of
almost anything The reason why I say Margaret Brennan is
a moron here is an intelligent person would not make
the argument that Nazi Germany was able to take the

(08:28):
steps that it did during World War Two, including the Holocaust.
Remember I've spent my time at the World War II
Museum just recently when I was down in New Orleans
for the Super Bowl, and credit to everybody who was
Eagles and Chiefs fans and had their kids with them.
I saw a lot of people taking their kids the
World War Two museum trying to educate them about what

(08:49):
happened in World War Two. What you're saying is very
important that the left now is arguing that free speech
leads to authoritarianism. The problem with that argument is it's
one hundred percent wrong, and you have to be historically
illiterate to make that argument. The first thing that authoritarians
do is burn books, is put people who are dissenters

(09:15):
in prison. This is all of history if you study
it at all. So this is where I say Margaret
Brennan is a moron, because she has to be historically
illiterate to not be aware of what the lessons of
history actually are.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well see, but this is where the indoctrination component. I
mean the same way that how can any person with
an IQ over fifty think that a man can become
a woman based on just reality and the science. But
yet the entire Democrat party says it. Why how do
we get to this mass illusion? Oh? Yes, and the
mass delusion in this context. And this is why it's

(09:48):
so important. It's not that Margaret Brennan said a dumb thing,
although that's true. The bigger issue is she said the
dumb thing, because that is what now Democrats in good
stand ending with the party are forced to believe. It
is like a It is like a an article of
faith on the left now right, So Clay, this is

(10:10):
why we can't have free speech about vaccines because it
will lead to mass death. We can't have free speech
about the trans community and you know what's going on
there and is it mental illness or whatever, because it
will lead to mass suicide. We can't essentially freedom. This
is one of the oldest arguments in existence. And the
left has gone completely and Wes they left the Democrats

(10:30):
the same thing. The Democrats have gone completely insane with
this in recent years, which is freedom of thought, freedom
of speech leads to the worst things in society, and
to your point, they have it exactly backwards. And this
is why they're wrong on so many things in such
big ways. This is not a small issue. This is
a huge issue there and they're dealing with right now.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
And also this is indicative of the culture of rot
at CBS News, and this, to me is important to
point out out. Margaret Brennan doesn't stand on an island
by herself. If you or I, most of the time,
Buck get something wrong, it's mostly our faults.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
By which I mean we blew it. We didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
We don't have a huge staff of people feeding us
information all day long saying hey, this is what you
need to get out there the way this show happens.
We have a great staff around us, but it's not
like they do television, where you have tons of production
assistants where they would sit down for a long time
preparing for this interview. And the culture of CBS News

(11:37):
is so broken, Buck that a question like that could
be prepared and no one in that room would raise
their hand and say, wait a minute, guys, are we
really going to argue with the Secretary of State that
the reason why the Holocaust happened is because Germany had
too much free speech during Hitler era. And the reason

(11:57):
this is so important and this all ties in. It's like,
why are we talking at CBS.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Margaret Brennan, Rubio, Jade Evans, jd Vance gave an incredible speech.
We're gonna play some clips for you here in a minutes.
You can hear you know, if you wanted to skip,
we'll give you the highlights that'll give you the essence
of it. Europe has abandoned freedom of speech entirely. Entirely.
There is no freedom of speech in Europe. Now. Now
they'll say yes, there is accept in and they'll list

(12:21):
all these categories and you'll say those are not. This
isn't uh, you know, calling for someone, you know, This
isn't yelling in an attack dog to go bite someone.
This isn't call inciting violence. This is about things like immigration.
This is about policy matters Europe, the EU overall has
abandoned free speech, and the Democrat journalists in this country

(12:45):
want that here. Yeah, that's why that's such a huge
They want what Germany has, which is excuse man, did
you put some me meme online? We're going to arrest
you now they actually do that, and I think this
is and they don't see that as the reincarnation of
a kind of benevolent fascism or something. I mean, that's

(13:06):
what's going on right now in Europe, and CBS News
the Democrat Party are on board with it. They want
it here for us too.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Sixty minutes covered a raid on a man's house for
a meme.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
We're gonna get We're gonna We're gonna play this for you.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I mean, it's crazy to believe the entire CBS News
department needs to be absolutely wiped clean, Like this is
a job that I would actually like to have, is
go in clean house at CBS News. The resources that
they have Buck, We'll talk about this too, are remarkable,
and yet they now have found themselves arguing in favor

(13:44):
of the government arresting people for saying things mean online.
That's where CBS News has descended to.

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Speaker 1 (15:48):
Welcome back in to Clay and Bucks. So we were
talking about what's going on in uh Well on CBS News.
It's Margaret Brennan who is providing us with great content
to respond to on the show, which we appreciate, so
thank you for that. And then we also have the
JD Vance speech over in Europe, which is worth watching

(16:08):
or listening to in its entirety. But I will start
with this. Here is a I think a very good
example of what we're talking about. This is cut four
across Europe right now. You can be locked up and
we're not just talking about fines here. They will put
you in prison for saying mean things in person, but

(16:30):
also onlines cut four play it.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
And unfortunately, when I look at Europe today, it's sometimes
not so clear what happened to some of the Cold
Wars winners. I look to Brussels, where EU Commission commissars
warren citizens that they intend to shut down social media
during times of civil unrest the moment they spot what
they've judged to be quote, hateful content. Or to this

(16:57):
very country where police have carried out rays against citizens
suspected of posting anti feminist comments online as part of
quote combating misogyny on the Internet a day of action.
I looked to Sweden. We're two weeks ago the government
convicted a Christian activist for participating in Kuran burnings that

(17:18):
resulted in his friends' murder. The judge in his case
chillingly noted Sweden's laws to supposedly protect free expression do
not in fact grant and I'm quoting a free pass
to do or say anything without risking offending the group
that holds that belief.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Clay, this is what you see in Europe a lot
of the time. You know what, these laws are enforced
primarily in order to privilege those who are for open borders,
to privilege those who are coming refugees from the Muslim
world who've come to Europe in huge numbers and last

(17:58):
several decades. If it offends them, if they are offended
by what you say, if you offend Islam, for example,
in Europe, you can go to prison. You actually have
to deal with this. And it's not just some of
these countries like Germany and others that maybe you think, well,
we don't have that much in common with them. He
specifically talks, You've got to hear this story. This is JD.

(18:21):
Vance in his speech talking to about somebody who was
arrested for silent prayer. Silent prayer in the vicinity of
an abortion clinic Play five.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear
friends the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience
rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons in
particular in the crosshairs.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
A little over two years ago, the.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
British government charged Adam Smith Connor, fifty one year old
physiotherapists and an army veteran, with the heinous crime of
standing fifty meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying
for three minutes, not obstructing anyone, not interacting with anyone,
just silently praying on his own. After British law enforcement

(19:05):
spotted him and demanded to know what he was praying for,
Adam replied simply, it was on behalf of the unborn
son he and his former girlfriend had.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Aboarded years before. Now, the officers were not moved.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
Adam was found guilty of breaking the government's new buffer
zones law, which criminalizes silent prayer and other actions that
could influence a person's decision within two hundred meters of
an abortion facility. He was sentenced to pay thousands of
pounds in legal costs to the prosecution. Now, I wish
I could say that this was a fluke, a one off,
crazy example of a badly written law being enacted against

(19:42):
a single person.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
But no.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
This last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish
government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within
so called safe access zones, warning them that even private
prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally,
the government urged readers to any fellow citizens suspected guilty
of thought crime, and Britain and across Europe, free speech

(20:06):
I fear is in retreat.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Clay, this is thought crime. They're enforcing it. Truly, That's
not an exaggeration at all. Silent prayer can silent prayer
not I mean prayer would be bad enough to get
in trouble for. Silent prayer can get you fined or
locked up in the United Kingdom. Why because abortion is
sacred to the left, because abortion is the only religion

(20:31):
that matters. Let's also play this sixty minutes. Some of
you might be out there saying, boy, that sounds like that.
That sounds like an exaggeration. I think this is where
the Margaret Brennan question of Marco Rubio comes in, because
remember CBS News on Sunday started off with Margaret Brennan

(20:52):
saying the Holocaust was caused by free speech, and it
ended with the news department in Germany covering in a
positive way the fact that insulting someone online can be
a crime in Germany. Listen to this and tell me
this is not chilling. This is sixty minutes in Germany

(21:14):
covering and discussing thought crimes and insults online and how
they aren't protected speech.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
Listen, is it a crime to insult somebody in public?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yes, yes, and it's a.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Crime to insult them online as well.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yes, the fine could be even higher if you insult
someone in the internet. Why because in internet it stays there.
If we are talking at face to face, you insult me,
insult you, okay, finish. But if you in the internet,
if I insilt you or a politician, that.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Takes around forever.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Yeah, the prosecutors explain. German law also prohibits the spread
of malicious gossip, violent threats, and fake quotes. If somebody
posts something that's not true and then somebody else reposts
it or likes it, are they committing a crime?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
because the reader con't distinguished whether you just invented this
or just reposted it.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
That's the same for us.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail
time for repeat offenders.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
They also imagine this, this is Germany. Now, okay, they
actually do this to people. They'll send the cops to
your house. Bang bang bang, excuse me, have you been
retweeting the memes? You're going to prison for the mem retweet?
They actually do this, this is the law. These people
are out of their.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Minds, and if you have a historical background, what is
the analogy that is easy to draw here to me,
if you want to make an analogy to German history,
it is the ss yes showing up at the door

(22:58):
and banging on the door and dragging people out for
doing things that the government disagrees with. What they are
trying to argue at CBS News is this is a
good thing. That segment that we just aired was CBS
News shining a spotlight in a positive way. Sometimes sixty

(23:19):
minutes they shine a negative spotlight on someone, right, you
guys have all seen those stories. Yeah, they are choosing
to make German thought policing appear to be something that
should be a positive thing to Americans. And buck they
talk about in that same I couldn't believe that entire segment.

(23:39):
They talk about the fact that they seize people's phones
and don't allow them to have access to their phones,
and they're kind of laughing about it because they share
memes that the government decides they don't like. And this
is what Biden tried to do with everything they were
doing with Facebook. It's directly connected to what we just
lived during COVID. Just forget about that also for a second,

(24:04):
like the history and the not you know that. Yeah,
there's a lot of historical ignoramus is running around.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
This is insane. How can the law determine today just today? Now?
How can the law reasonably determine if something reaches the
level of offense that you might have, you might be
imprisoned for it. I mean, this is completely privileging one
set of or you know, a certain set of beliefs,

(24:30):
certain sets of people, individuals. It's it's used to shut
down people who are we've already seen this. If you're
critical of Islam, if you're critical of mass migration, if
you're critical of transgenders, if you're critical of climate change.
It's all left wing global and stuff, the same stuff
that they are trying to do here to us. And
I think that's a critical point. And we got a

(24:51):
trial run during COVID of this, you and I did.
When when I got you know, my a YouTube channel
shut down, destroyed bend. I was trying to hit people
the word out about how masks don't work and lockdowns
are insane. Shut down. I had hit pieces. You would
hit pieces too, hit pieces run on me by fact checkers. Yes,
and the government was one step away from knock knock, knock.

(25:13):
How have you all been showing as of climate change memes?
This is what's going on in the Western world today.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's also why traditional liberal and conservative descriptions often don't
work in the modern era because, and this is important historically,
it is profoundly illiberal to not allow people to express
their actual opinions.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
This is not some the entire basis.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
The reason why we have the First Amendment is because
our founders, God bless them, were intelligent enough to understand
that the most profound freedom we must have is freedom
from the state regulating what the individual can say. And
the whole idea of the First Amendment is the marketplace

(26:06):
of ideas, which is to the extent that I have
any overarching political belief that I will defend for the
rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
This is it.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
We get better results when you and me and every
one of you out there listening feels comfortably arguing in
the public square for exactly what you think, and that
over time the best arguments will win. That is the
entire basis of our foundational republican form of government. What

(26:38):
is happening around the world in many places that theoretically
embrace Western civilization is. And I'm holding it up for
people right there to be able to see. We suddenly
have phones in our pocket, and we have the ability
to disseminate information on a level that has never existed before.
And we are grappling with how to handle that incredible

(27:01):
power that all of us hold to speak out and
be seen in a way that has never existed in
the history of humanity. And what you are seeing is
many people out there do not believe that we should
all have the ability to share our opinions. And I

(27:22):
give credit to JD. Vance and to Marco Rubio for
going to Europe and holding All he did was hold
up a mirror to reflect what they are doing, and
it made them so profoundly uncomfortable that the reverberations of
those speeches have now crossed back to the Atlantic, where

(27:44):
across the Atlantic Ocean, where now the Margaret Brennan's of
the world are outraged by what we had the audacity
to say, which is everybody should be able to argue
to the fullest extent of their voice for whatever they
believe in, that it's the true principle of liberty itself.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
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Speaker 2 (30:21):
Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us
here on this President's Day, twenty twenty five. I know
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(30:45):
I don't remember that existing when I was school. But
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Maybe you're going to be traveling, maybe you're just busy
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You can also listen on the iHeartRadio app, which does

(31:06):
a fabulous job of also updating you with unbiased news
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app does a great job of that as well, and
we wanted to make sure that we said, it is

(31:28):
the fourth anniversary of a date that I know has
been very hard for many of you. Rush Limbaugh died
four years ago today, and we wanted to make sure
that we honored his memory thirty three years of radio excellence,
the like of which has never existed in American history.

(31:48):
And there is a longer form clip from Rush that
is up in our podcast channel for those of you
who want to hear it. But we did want to
honor the legacy the memory of the man behind the
Golden microphone by acknowledging this four year anniversary of his passing.
This is from January ninth of twenty twenty, Rush talking

(32:11):
about Trump versus the process oriented people of Washington, DC,
a conflict that is certainly continuing to play itself out
in the present moment. Listen to this from five years ago.

Speaker 8 (32:25):
The American people have gotten used to the snail's pace
of whatever objectives government or Washington has.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Trump is not of that world.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
Trump is a results oriented guy, and he's up against
a bunch process people. Now, if both parties are engaged
in process as part of a campaign and trying to
win the day on who's the better at process, then
you've got a dull, boring campaign here. But when you've
got somebody demonstrably able to get results up against process people,
the process people don't have a prayer, and that's what

(32:57):
they know.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
That was Rush. In the twenty twenty era. January of
twenty twenty more Rush Legacy memory up as a part
of the Clay and buck podcast network. We certainly want
to acknowledge four years ago his passing and the tremendous
impact that he had in the world of this arena,

(33:21):
and that want to reiterate as we have done and
said for years. I can't believe Bucket's been almost four
years that you and I have been talking every single
day with this audience.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
We do not take it for granted.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
We fill immense gratitude and privilege to be able to
continue to fight many of the battles that Rush fought,
and we appreciate the fact that so many of you
have continued to listen to us, and also that younger
people out there have continued to come into the fray,
as Rush would have wanted the case to be. In fact,

(33:54):
I imagine that Rush boy would he be excited about
how many young people in per articular are taking up
the American flag and advancing it behind the arguments that
Trump is winning with right now. He would be ecstatic
to see exactly what is happening. I'm sure he is
watching down and seeing it. But it is pretty incredible

(34:15):
to think about the legacy and its growth as Trump
has taken back in for two point zero buck, Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
And so we are gratified and deeply honored to be
trying to continue on the fights that Rush engaged in
for decades. And we've got more up at clanbuck dot
com and also in the clan Buck podcast feed. We've
pulled together special kind of just a memory of Rush

(34:45):
in podcast form on the four year passing, So please
go check that out in the clan Buck podcast network.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So all of that certainly wanted to be on top
of we've been discussing the battle for free speech. I
wanted to play this cut for you because last night
was the fiftieth anniversary of Saturday Night Live, and I
wanted to watch it. I thought, hey, you know what,
They've got a huge, incredible number of celebrities that are

(35:12):
coming out. Maybe they will put together a really well
done show. I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I watched for about an hour and a half. I
turned to my wife. I said, I can't watch any
more of this. Tell me if anything actually funny happens,
I'm going to go and read and be doing prep
for this show. I was reading, I think, catching up
with the Wall Street Journal in the New York Times

(35:32):
weekend editions. And I did see, however, in the part
that I was watching this skit, which was Tom Hanks
suddenly shows up and he is a Trump supporter. He's
wearing a Make America Great Again hat, and you need
to watch the video because it was intentionally insulting to

(35:54):
Trump voters. But I would play that audio for you
Saturday Night Live wonders why it's ratings have collapsed and
it does not have the cultural cachet that it used to,
I would submit to you it's because they continue to
alienate over half of the country right now.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Listen, well, thank you, hey. And I was speaking to church.
Can I say something, If more folks went to church,
we wouldn't be in this mess we're in now, you
know what? I agree with what you do. I'd like
to shake your hands, sir. Here we go. No no, no, no,
oh no, no, it's just it's just a.

Speaker 8 (36:25):
Handsh you welcome to black anytime.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Well, thank you, my mind by brother.

Speaker 8 (36:33):
Now, maybe I'll start a show for you to come
on and we'll call it what Jeopardy.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
We don't need it, we don't need it, okay, so
uh funny and mean spirited, Clay. The original version of
that sketch was actually funny. It aired years ago. I
don't know exactly when, but they had black Jeopardy was
the was the you know the title of the sketch.
Tom Hanks was the white guy, and there were a

(37:00):
couple of other you know, black snl. It was I
forget the guy who's what's the guy who's the who's
playing the host there? I forget his name and Keenan Thompson.
Keenan Thompson, he's been on the show for like ance
or more. He've been there forever. So so he was
on and a couple of other black actors were on.
And the original one was actually funny because it wasn't

(37:22):
mean spirited and really what it was, you know, they
asked some you know those black Jeopardy They asked them
questions and the Trump supporter answer was something that the
black community were members of the black community on the
stage also agreed with. So it was things like they
would say, you know, what happens if so and so's
the selection, he goes it doesn't matter because the uniparty
runs it anyway, And then all the you know, the

(37:44):
black contestants are like, that's correct, like you know, and
it actually was meant to be funny, I think for everyone.
That was one of the more that's what's so disappointing,
that was one of the more popular recent black recent
SNL sketches Black Jeopardy and so to take it and
then just do this kind of nasty, punching down thing

(38:07):
and make it seem like the guy is clearly supposed
to be a racist. I mean, that's where you know,
the espoor is supposed to be a racist. It's hard
to it's hard to understand the mindset of some of
these people who are supposed to be comedians. At this point,
you've basically taken most of the major comedy platforms that
existed for you, you know, your life and my life.

(38:27):
I'm not talking about you know, new Netflix specials and stuff.
That's a new thing, right, And like Naperghatsy's blown up everywhere.
He's fantastic, and there's all these new comedians who actually
are funny. You are doing great stuff, but you look
at you know, SNL, The Letterman Show, the What's the
The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, least funny man that

(38:47):
could have poss bear God forbid bulbar. They've destroyed all
of these legacy comedy platforms, including SNL. SNL has been
trashed for the entirety of the Trump era and really
before that, but certainly last ten years just trash. I'm
surprised you watch it, but good for you on stomaching
through some of it or stomaching some of it. And

(39:07):
it's just a shame because they even when the market
speaks to them, they don't change, they don't care.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
And it's not only profoundly insulting. And let's also not
give Tom Hanks a pass here. Tom Hanks is supposed
to be this avuncular, incredibly likable every man actor, and
yet he feels comfortable ridiculing every Trump supporter as a racist.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
And this is actually the data.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
This was the media doesn't want to tell you by
at large, certainly not in the legacy media, but this
is important. The twenty twenty four election was the least
racially polarized election in America since nineteen sixty four. White, Black, Asian,
Hispanic people have never voted more similarly than we did

(40:00):
in twenty twenty four. Trump has the least racially polarized
electoral majority since Lyndon Johnson in nineteen sixty four, pre
Civil rights era votes. So, for most of you out
there that are listening to us right now, you have
never lived in a less racially polarized America than right now.

(40:26):
As it pertains the presidential election.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
This is also when when the data, I think, speaks
so clearly on what happened versus what the narrative is
the usage of You've seen this Elon actually a while ago,
I think, even before he owns Twitter X. I remember
him commenting on this that the explosion in the usage

(40:50):
of the terms racism and white supremacy, all this coincided
with Obama's election. The media, the media, all of a sudden,
New York Times goes from you using white supremacy like
once a year, because I've never even met a white supremacist,
never seen a white supremacist, never met a white supremacist.
I mean an actual white supremacist. And it goes from
you know, once a year they'll have some article till

(41:12):
like every day, I mean an absolute explosion, clearly intentional
and to really use to manipulate the public and use
narratives about racism so that there couldn't be opposition to Obama.
Early on in the Obama administration, criticism of Obama, and
I mean I remember because I was one of those
people criticizing Obama was racist, and that was that they

(41:32):
were happy to just leave it at that. Oh you
don't like Obama? Hmm, I wonder why you know they
would play that game a lot Clay. Things have changed now.
People have seen that those who would use those tactics
are always arguing in bad faith and actually don't even
care what the government, what the results are from an administration.
They just want their team and they want to silence

(41:52):
the other team, kind of like the German people knocking
on the doors.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's also on an SNL front, incredibly lazy humor. To
your point, the pointing out that people who are look
different actually have many of the same opinions is actually
somewhat of a unique take, at least from a comedic perspective,
ie that Trump supporters and black voters back in twenty

(42:19):
fifteen actually overlapped on a lot of opinions, but they
didn't necessarily vote like it. By twenty twenty four, you
are seeing Hispanic, Black Asian and white voters I recognizing
that we actually have more in common than we do apart.
And this is where the real panic is setting in Buck.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Some of these.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Trump approval numbers are starting to be eye opening, even
to me. I saw Buck a plus twelve Trump approval
numbers coming out recently, and I think that's because much
of what he's doing is not part is in nature.
It's a lot of common sense. It's common sense. It's
it's sane versus insane, as we all off and talk about.

(43:00):
I think that's one of the guiding principles of the show,
Sanity versus insanity. Yes, in public policy and in the
way that we viewed, you know, things in day to
day life and Clay, this also goes to the sense
of what is the opposition. They refuse to course correct,
you would see it if they if they were doing it.
They refuse to look at what happened in this election

(43:23):
and say, you know what we need to change message
messaging on because they've gotten so deep on something that's
kind of like the Margaret Brennan thing. This is what
you're You look at Margaret Brennan Clay with the saying
versus insane paradigm, and you go, the Nazis weren't pro
free speech, you.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Lunatic, right. She looks at it and goes, this is
I am mouthing the preferred slogan. This is the narrative.
The narrative is mean words from the disapproved people from
the disapproved right causes genocide. That's all that that's she
just those are the orders. She's orders to say that
kind of crack, Which is why I think it's a

(44:02):
great question. Is she brainwashed or a moron? I don't
think there's any Maybe she could be a brainwashed moron.
I guess she could be both. But we'll take some
of your calls react to that. I just wanted to
share that clip with you because I do think it's
going viral. And last night was the fiftieth anniversary of SNL,
and I was hoping they would maybe be a little
bit funny. Instead, they decided to tell you, hey, if

(44:22):
you voted for Trump, you're a racist and you hate
black people's. I mean, you know, Margaret Brennan, I mean
to go to this point, she's she went to UVA,
which for somebody not from Virginia is even more impressive.
Great school, no matter what. But I mean, if you
get into UVA from outside of I know this because
a lot of New Yorkers wanted to go there, it's
incredibly It's like getting the U Michigan out of state,
incredibly hard. She was a full Bright scholar, she speaks

(44:45):
fluent Arabic, and yeah, I mean, I don't think she's dumb.
I just think she's just too deep into the machine
to see what the heck's really going on.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Remember she was one of the moderators of one of
the debates, too right, This is a I mean, this
is where on a bigger, larger front, Republicans have to
be smarter about who they allowed to moderate going. So
you see, for me, one of the compets, one of
the complicated, and I know, we got to take a
pause here, But someone like Rachel Maddow also not dumb.

(45:16):
Is she actually Brent wash or she just pretending for
the paycheck? That's what that's I can't determine that with
some of these libs in the media at this point,
who are not dumb, but who say dumb things. If
every American took some time to relearn our constitution, imagine
how more informed our opinions on government and.

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Politics would be.

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Speaker 1 (47:28):
It's really funny, you know, we the show never stops here,
so we're always talking to the team and we go
from trying to avert you know, nuclear war in Ukraine
to dating advice in the modern era. You know, we
we jump topics here, like nobody's business. There's always always
more to be said. We leave some of it on
the cutting room floor. But we've got we've got a

(47:49):
lot of a lot of stuff having conversations about you know, uh,
you know the DM slide. You know, if you're a
single guy. If you're a single guy, I don't think
this is a probably know you slide in the dms.
You know, some prominent people recently are prominent individual recently
was in the news for a little DM slide that
got the well it went beyond the DM slide. But

(48:10):
the point is, well, Elon Musk has got another child,
so uh. And it originally occurred because he jumped into
the direct messages. For those of you who don't know,
you can send messages on social media and everybody has like, hey,
I think you're cool, let's talk. You know, it's it's
not a problem.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
How many direct messages when you were single in New
York City do you think you sent? Oh, I've pleaded
the fifth on that, like only, I mean, for the record,
very few, But I plead the fifth on even trying
to give any kind of an actual number here for
people out there who don't know what percentage of couples like,

(48:52):
let's take away being in the same school or being
at the same work right, who meets online these days,
as you can say, make it's like half at least half,
or couples it's more than half because because also people
are generally you know a lot of people sort of
say them at one way when they met another.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It's sixty to seventy sixty seventy percent. Now of people
are are meeting their partner and then you know, eventually
even their spouse through some form of online you know,
people use Instagram as a dating site something. Did you
meet your wife online? I sent her a message on LinkedIn,
I mean sorry not not LinkedIn? Not LinkedIn? Are sorry? Sorry? No no, no, no, no,

(49:34):
we I mean we were aware of each other from
fox and she thought she at one point was following
me on Instagram, and then realized I had a girlfriend
at that time, so that it was hands off. And
then I was single again, and then I found out
she was single, and then I reached out.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Ali, as can Ali pull up to the mic. Here,
you're married to Gerard, the most masculine man on the planet,
but you slid into his DMS after you met him.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Disclosure, I certainly did no shame. You met him at
a party.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
We initially met at a.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Party and were you following each other, or you sought
him out and just went straight DM.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
We both sought each other out online and then I
just you sent the message to him first, I did,
what did you say?

Speaker 6 (50:19):
What's up to?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Basically just you up? Ali just went straight you up?
And now she's married.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Uh no, I I asked him what he was doing
and he said right now at this moment.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I said, oh sure, and he said coming to meet you.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
So then we met him.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Wow, and now you're married and happily ever after. I
see in all of this social media universe.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I was. I was married before technics would have had
to be on like uh you know, Christian Mingle or
something back in the back in your days, you would
have had to use a dial up like AOL Internet,
you know. Clay would be like, you've got mail, Like, hey, we.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Actually met each other face to face and and we
actually had conversations. You guys are just throwing hell Mary's
out there, got like twenty different messages flying out.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
No idea a sportsman, sportsman, you only need to catch
one Hail Mary to win the super Bowl, my friend.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's true.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Well so that but that that is the backdrop to
the story about Elon having more kids everything.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Here's my take on Elon, and I may be in
the minority on this.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Elon is the most brilliant, successful person in all of
America right now. In my opinion, I think Elon should
have as many kids as Elon can take care of
because I want his genes creating the next generation of genius. Now,
other people out there don't have my same take. I

(51:54):
am super pro Elon as well in terms of his
I mean, there's no question he's the most important CEO,
most visionary CEO. What he did for free speech and
and politics in this country by buying it.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I mean, he's amazing. He's amazing, all due respect and
all that. But every kid wants a dad, and if
you're not around. And I also, I think it was
a I think it was like my parish priests or
this to my mom a long time ago, and she
passed along to me. You know, if you want to
if you want to love the child, love the mother.
For the husbands out there, it's a very important, very

(52:26):
important maxim as well to love the child, love the mother.
So I think you want to be around. I think
that everyone wants a dad. I grew up around a
lot of very privileged as an understatement kids in Manhattan. Uh,
and the ones who had broken families or separated families
or whatever, Clay, I'm telling you, they would have they
would have rather had fewer private jet trips and more

(52:48):
time with dad. Well, the data also reflects.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Boys in particular are the most broken by dad as
not being in the house. In other words, younger girls,
I think, because they see their mom, who tends to
have custody as the role model, do not suffer as
much as young boys do from not having a man
in the household. And honestly, we had the conversation about

(53:17):
this last week because I went and talked about why
young men are breaking in the direction of Republicans the
University of Chicago. I do think, Buck, a big aspect
of young men struggling in America today is and this
is me getting on my me, climbing on my you know,
prespicire my pedestal. A lot of dads are failing at dadding,

(53:42):
and a lot of grandpas.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Are trying to pick up. The first rule of being
a dad is being present. That's right, And I know,
I know other thing's not perfect, And I know, people
have problems or whatever, but you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It's so I'm contradicting myself a bit here because I
do think the dad in the household matters tremendous amount,
particularly for young boys. I would say, you're looking at
it through all this the macro survival of the human
species over the next dollars of years, which.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Is my concern.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
By the way, this is why I tell my boys, hey,
get married and have as many kids as you can,
because the population is collapsing. This is my thing where
everybody's like, oh, the seas are gonna rise like four inches,
and you know, you're not going to be able to
go to Newark and have as much fun in Newark
as you used to. And I'm like, do you guys

(54:30):
not realize the entire global population is collapsing and South
Korea is not going to exist in one hundred years,
and Italy's not going to exist, and Japan's not going
to exist. This is my calamity buy in, like, we
got to have more kids, and ultimately kids are in
endorsements and investments in the betterment of the future, and
it ultimately to me, reflects an international depression that so

(54:55):
many young people out there are afraid to bring new
life into the world. This is what I worry about.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
And you know, I think that on the right we've
fallen a little bit into this. Yes, it is true,
judge not lest you be judged. It's not about judging
any one individual or I think you should be able
to have conversations where you can say, look, this is
what this is what the aspiration is, right. I mean,

(55:23):
as Christians, you aspire to to, you know, to live
in the in the in the way of Jesus Christ himself.
You're never going to get there, right, but you still
there's something you aspire. You're trying, you're trying to hold
yourself up to an ideal. And I think when you're
talking about the parenting stuff and you know, Elon and
all the kids, again, Elon's amazing in so many ways.

(55:44):
We have a lot of respect for that. But I
do think that it's important that people when they can
you know, you want a mom and a dad. Yeah,
and you can't be a mom and a dad when
you have eight different moms and fifteen kids or thirteen
kids or whatever. It is the way that you otherwise
could now with someone like Eleon musk. You're talking about
also a person who is maybe going to like help

(56:07):
save the human species. I mean, you know, there's other
I understand there's these other factors. So it's not to
criticize Elon. And you know, no one's perfect, and I
get all of that, but I do think it's okay
to still say out loud, we really do want a
mom and a dad at home taking care of it,
you know, taking. I don't mean in terms of like
chores and that labored differentiation. But kids need a mom

(56:27):
and a dead kids need dead, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
And there's a lot of talking left and living right,
and once you see it, you can't unsee it. We've
talked about it some on this program. A lot of
people out there who claim that they are ardent leftists,
do you know what they do in their own life.
They're married, they have kids inside of a wedlock, They

(56:50):
raise those kids, put them in private school, oftentimes live
in gated communities where their families are protected. And meanwhile
they tell you, hey, left wing ideals are to be
aspired to, but in their own life they talk left
and live right, and that is true. Go look at

(57:10):
the successful Democrat politicians out there. Most of them live
behind the wall. Most of them try to be married
and then raise their kids. They put their kids in
private school. It's just kind of fascinating. Was a great
line about I give credit to him. Was it Michael
Moore back in the day. I think it was Michael

(57:31):
Moore who said, you look at the Democrats and their
constituency on the floor, but then when you look at
the suites, it's all a lot of rich white people.
You know, like they got all the diversity down on
the floor. Look at the delegates, Look how representative of
the world they are. And then you start to rise
and you look at like the super expensive suites that

(57:53):
surround the convention. It's a bunch of super rich white
liberals who are pulling the string for so much of
what's going on, and they're living differently than the values
with which they would otherwise associate themselves very often.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
So, yes, you can talk about the genius of an
individual while also discussing how no one is perfect and
there are some things that maybe should be done a
little bit, a little bit differently, or you know, aspirationally,
we could all want something. We weren't going to talk
about the border, but we started talking about dating, and
that's a wide range. We'll tell you the border data

(58:30):
at least.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
We'll probably talk about the border quite a bit tomorrow,
but we'll give you some of that data in the
next segment. So also kind of set the table for
Tuesdays an issue.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's like, it's like it's like happy at the end
of the show here too. I mean, at least for
those of us who believe in sovereignty and a secure border.
So that's nice. It's not like we're not going to
depress you with the border data. The border dat is
very good, so that's coming up here in a second. Look,
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Speaker 5 (59:51):
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