February 24, 2025 • 60 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
just keep stacking wins. Lots to dive into. Let's start
with the fun. By the way, we've got a loaded show.
David sachs Ai, czar of the new Trump administration, will
(00:27):
join us at the bottom of this hour. Multi billionaire
venture capital investor, brilliant guy. Lots to talk about with him.
He'll be on with us in this hour. Second hour,
We're gonna talk with May Mailman. She's inside of the
Trump White House. She's gonna talk about the big blow
(00:47):
up that happened in the final hour during the final
hour of the show on Friday, when the governor of
Maine said she would be suing Donald Trump over men
being allowed to continue to play in women's sports, but
then also lots of spice surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
May was there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
She's going to come on and tell us all about it.
Plus there's a viral story that I'm told is not true.
She'll talk about in more detail. But some of you
may have seen a report that the Philadelphia Eagles had
rejected a White House invite. They are the super Bowl champions.
You'll remember Trump certainly cheered at the Super Bowl. Many
of those people in attendance were Eagle fans. I'm told
(01:27):
by the White House that there has not been an
official offer extended to the Eagles and that there has
been no rejection that that was fake news. We'll get
into that maybe a little bit with May and then
the new head of the EPA, Lee's Eldon, former congressman
from New York, nearly beat Kathy Hokel in the twenty
twenty two governor's race. All of that coming in your
(01:52):
direction during the course of today's show. But Buck, yesterday,
I woke up on Sunday morning, rolled over to check
and see what the news of the day was, and
there was joy in the Twitter streets. MSNBC far left
wing moron host Joy Reid fired her show canceled as NBC.
(02:19):
The MSNBC panics as no one is watching their network
in the wake of Trump's electoral victory in November. And Buck,
before we play some of the best moments of Joy Reid.
To me, the biggest takeaway, and I'm curious what your
takeaway here would be, was in the wake of twenty
seventeen when Trump came into office. Being anti Trump and
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a part of the resistance was great for The New
York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC,
all of their audiences skyrocketed as they bought into the
hardcore Trump resistance. But so far as we sit over
(03:01):
a month into the Trump era, there is no rush
to support. There is no democracy dies in darkness equivalent.
The resistance, as you and I have talked about, is
actually sad. We watched the resistance march through the streets
of DC. The culture appears to have been has shifted,
(03:22):
and the business imperatives to be able to make money
are vastly different, and that, to me is the underlying
foundation of why Joy Reid got fired. Certainly, if there
were money to be made, I think MSNBC would have
continued to cash the checks. But she's an embarrassment, she's
(03:42):
a moron. Her show was not good, and the profitability
of that show has declined, which I think is the
signature takeaway of the big picture here.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You also have the step down of Lester Holt from NBC,
which was just announced before we came on the This
is part of the ongoing I wouldn't say shake up.
I would say reckoning that the Democrat aligned media is
going through right now, Because even if you were somebody
who liked Joy Reid and we got to get we
got a montage coming here, Oh we need a montage.
(04:16):
Even if for somebody who liked Joy Reid or you're
an MSNBC watcher, you do, I would think live in
reality enough that you can understand that everything they told
you that was going to happen did not happen, that
all the promises that they made were broken correct, and
that apparently they know nothing about American politics, or the
American electorate, or the justice system, or the prospects of
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Donald Trump, all of the above. Right if you were
relying on these people to tell you what the American
future was going to look like, you are wildly disappointed
right now.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And more than that, I think people.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Are seeing their ideology that hasn't been really tested in
the public sphere, test in ways, and not just tested mocked.
It's being mocked and joy read.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know there's always a little part of me and
I'm sure you have the same thing, Clay. Do you
celebrate when somebody loses a job. She's made millions of dollars.
She's not poor. She's going to get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
This isn't celebrating when like the factory closes and guys
work in the assembly line don't have a paycheck to
pay there, Okay, because you know, the libs love it.
They celebrate whenever anyone on the right loses their job.
But then when someone like Joy Reid loses her show,
we're supposed to go, Oh, don't ever celebrate somebody else's lost.
She's a multimillionaire. She's going to be taken care of.
(05:35):
She'll get paid lots of money to do nothing somewhere else. Okay,
it's she's going to be fine. That's one thing that
I wanted to get out there because now we're about
to really have some fun and dive into Joy reads.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Great.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Are you ready for this? Clay Strap it in everybody.
I can't wait to hear it. I have not heard
this yet. I was waiting to be able to experience
it with all of you. This is producer Greg's work, right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Let's give him.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Put on a beret. The artiste has gone to work
here he pulled it together. He edited over the weekend
cut for hit It.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
We do have a fascist ground swell in parts of
this country, mainly among white men. He called himself big
b a l LS. That's what he calls himself. It
was a Nazi era on Twitter. That is back, and
Alon's doing it. Twitter now is useless to me. If
people like me are leaving, I don't know how Twitter survives.
Trump has two to eddies Putin and Andy law Musk
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a far right dictatorial regime like Hitler's Germany or Franco's
Spain or Mussolini's Italy. Vice president Kamala Debbie Harris, She's
about to make history. She's about to become the first
woman President's an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had Queen
Latifa never endorses anyone. Keep Hitler out the White House,
Hitler white House. We keeping them out.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Restoring the name.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
For Bragg sure looks like an attempt to resegregate the
military extremist, right wing fascist type government in Florida. It's
a right wing fantasy land like disney World, but in hell.
Come to Florida, the meatest place on earth. The racist
tomahawk chop, the gesture and chant, promoting stereotypes, caricatures, and
frankly hatred of Native American people. Sports commentator turned right
(07:14):
wing political commentator Clay Travis called for Trump supporters in
New York City to try to get seated on the
jury and then refuse to convict. That is openly encouraging
jury tampering. Similarities to what happened in Germany and what's
happening now in America are just undeniable. History may not
repeat verbatim, but it sure does.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Rhyme, Oh, you got a shout out there in that montage?
What is your favorite of the joy Read isms? I
still think the greatest. I mean a lot of you know, Nazis,
and I don't like white Republicans and all that, But
to me, Kamala ran a flawless campaign because meing Atifa
endorsed her is the is the greatest thing Joy Read
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has ever said on TV.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
After she lost. That's Harmona, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's that's the one that I think her her entire
repertoire really kind of comes back to over and over again.
In fact here that is if that was part of
the montage, but it's cut seven, and.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Remember Joy Reid during the course.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Of Election Night on MSNBC, and let me before we
play that, let me also point this out. Buck, you said, Hey,
she's gonna continue to make money, She's gonna go else
Here is what I would say in general.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Have you seen anyone upset that her show was canceled.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Imagine that you have the opportunity, the luxury, the privilege
to talk to millions of people every night, to come
into their home, and when you lose your job, no
one cares because there is no one that is actually
a fan of you. This is what's happened with Don Lemon,
this is what has happened with Jim Acosta, this is
(08:49):
now what is happening with Joy Reid. Whatever you think
about Tucker, whatever you think about Bill O'Reilly. When their
shows ended on Fox News, people were really upset that
they were no longer there, and those guys have been
able to have careers elsewhere. Piers Morgan, Megan Kelly. There
are people who talk to you on television that develop
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a connection and a relationship to such an extent that
you can continue with them and you'll follow them wherever
they go. I like to think, Buck, if one day
you or I weren't on this show and we were like, Hey,
we're going to go do x or Y that a
lot of you would be like, hey, I want to
go see what you're going to do somewhere else, because
we have a relationship with all of you. Joy doesn't
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have any audience. I didn't see anybody complaining about her
being fired. There was a mass exultation, and it's because
of moronic takes like this, Kamala Harris, whatever you want
to say. According to Joy Reid, she really did run
a flawless campaign. She got endorsed by Queen Latifa and
Beyonce and Taylor Swift. That was the entirety of her
(09:56):
argument of how flawless the campaign was.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Listen, this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She
had Queen Latina never endorses anyone she came, you know.
I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice. She had,
She had the Taylor Swift is to the Swifties, she
had the beehive, Like, you could not have run a
(10:19):
better campaign in that short period of time. And I
think that's still true.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, I don't even know that there's anyone on
the Kamala campaign buck that would say Kamala ran a
flawless campaign.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Joy reviews it as solidarity with a black female presidential candidate,
And she's just going to say that Kamala was awesome
no matter what Kamala did, and that that's what her
job was, essentially on MSNBC, to say whatever the left
wing wanted her to say at any point in time.
There's also often a real nastiness in her commentary. You know,
(10:55):
there was a there was a glee and anybody in
Trump world, by the way, j six people getting locked
up having their lives ruined, not a nice person. I mean,
I have I don't think she has any talent. I
think she's a DEI higher I think, and I think
everybody at MSNBC knew that. And I think that everything
about the media that we saw engaging in this kind
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of commentary before Trump's win proves that they have no honesty,
They've no intellectual curiosity, they don't really know anything. And
it's a good thing that there has finally been a
walk away from this. Now there will be other left
wing voices that grow in some ways right the oldest
what is it, the oldest aphorism? A crisis is an
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opportunity for people on the left right now we talk
about the politicians, for commentators as well. For someone to
come forward and be able to appeal to the left
who has not been essentially mauled, you know, hasn't had
their credibility fed into the woodshipper by the Trump machine
just completely running them over. That's I think an opportunity.
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But we'll see who that is is, because right now
there's not even we.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Talk about this.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It'd be there's some things I know you've been doing.
Piers Morgan, which looks like fun. That's a left right show,
though right in peers refereeing, there's not a left wing show.
I mean, I don't think, because I don't even think
Bill mar is a left wing show. And I agree
on that there's not a left wing show that I
would go on right now, because there's nobody that I
care to speak to from the left who's worth the
worth the effort, worth the problem that's or you know,
the the irritation.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I would like to go on the View.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I would like to go on the View because of
the carnage that would ensue, not because I respect their
intelligence or the quality of their show, which is on
some level what you're saying. But just because the Jerry
Springer like nature of the appearance would go so viral,
you think that do you think they would you do
you think they would come.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
At you right away?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Or would they try to pretend like they're going to
be respectful of the guests?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean, I bet every single person listening to us
right now would watch me going on the view, and
I wouldn't hold back. I wouldn't tiptoe up to anything.
I would argue with them.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But I'm I, if you know, I tend to err
on the side of polite, at least in the beginning.
Clay would just start throwing bombs right away, Clay is
throwing bombs, I'd be like, pardon me, ladies, we're having
an exchange of ideas here. Clay would just be like,
shut your faces. You know, we get right into it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I react to the vibe under which I am talked to,
but also I have no filter, and that could be
good and bad, but it means that, you know, like
the University of Chicago thing that I did that went megaviral,
I wasn't planning to say the exact phraseology that I was.
But when she cut me off, for instance, and said, oh,
but Trump's a grandpa.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's like, well, I'm going to react to that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Or when they said if you watch that clip, oh,
Trump's an awful father, and I'm like, actually, his five
kids have a great deal of affection for him. I mean,
there are lots of things you can attack people for,
but when I see them as being completely dishonest, I
can't hold back.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I just naturally react.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think it would be one of the most viral
moments in the view history if they had me on
I don't think they would have me on Buck because
I actually think it would go well for me and
poorly for them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But actually they should, right, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And having done this, I don't know if you've ever
been three or four on one before. I've done it
many times back in the day CNN and other places.
It's very hard because people talk over you and you
have so little time to talk, and then what they
do is they accuse you of interrupting them while they're
interrupting you, and and you know this, it's so Yes,
(14:35):
it would be interesting, it would be good television, but
I'm telling you it would turn into it would turn
into a melee very fast. Point being though, there's nobody
on the left you'd want to sit down with and say,
let's have a real exchange of let's have a real
exchange of ideas here, like let's really get into the
meat the substance of the debates in this country right now.
We'll come into this, come back into this in a second.
We have you even mentioned yet, Clay some of the
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
And we're joined now by AI and Cryptos. Are David Sachs,
super successful investor. I think the last time we talked
to you, David, was up in Milwaukee. You came by
our set, and we appreciate you coming by again.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Now, Host of the Host of the All In podcast
co host of it, which I have to mention because
my brother loves it and I have to always be like, well,
you listen to my show first, and he kind of
pleads the fifth.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So anyway, David, big news Apple announcing they're going to
invest five hundred billion dollars twenty thousand and jobs. You
are plugged in with the overall universe of tech better
than almost anybody. How would you assess the first month
of the Trump administration and what do you see and
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hear from people in your universe as they are coming
to grips with the new Trump term.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
How excited are they? What do they expect, what do
they want? What do they need?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I think the first thirty days has just been incredible.
I mean really across the board. I mean, the president
has just begun the term with so much energy, so
much actions, so many executive orders. It's been a total
sea change. I mean just outside of economics and AI
and tech for a second, I mean the President's basically
solve the border crisis within days. Biden, for the last
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year of his term pretended that he needed a congressional
action to do that, and this was somehow a problem
that was just unsolvable. And President Trump comes in there
and within days he's basically solved the border crisis. It's
just incredible, and so many other things are like that.
And so I would say there's an overall feeling in
the country right now that we can actually change things,
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we can do things. I mean that the government seemed
to be this unfixable problem, just basically this bureaucracy that
you can never get anything done, and we just have
to live with a border crisis, we just have to
live with a two trillion dollar death set. And now
you see that Doge just going line by line through
the budget identifying the waste and fraud to eliminate that.
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So I think there's just in general this can do attitude.
And I think that with respect to tech, it applies
to that as well. I mean, the President has promised
that we're going to be rescinding regulations unnecessary regulations for
every new regulation. I think the an Agency as to
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proposed I mean, like tend more to eliminate. We shouldn't
be hard, just given the sheer number of regular relations
that we have hated. So I think in general there's
just a very optimistic attitude and I think even in
liberal Silicon Valley there is I would say, almost like
a a grudging appreciation for what President Trump is doing.
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And you saw it the inauguration. The leaders of all
the major tech companies were there. It's a very different
attitude than I think in twenty sixteen, where you know,
I think a lot of parts of Silicon Valley solved
themselves as part of the resistance. Now I think they're
I think they're fairly positive about the Trump administration. That
they may not all be saying that publicly, but I
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think they know that on the whole it's going to
be much better for business than the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
David, it's buck appreciate you making the time for us
on the issue of AI. Got a lot of attention
recently because of that moment where everyone freaked out about
deep seek and is China going to get ahead of us?
And without getting into the weeds on that, I just
wanted to know, what do you think the strategic vision
is for the Trump administration to stay ahead of China
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when it comes to AI, which obviously has enormous implications
for the economy, but even for things like defense and beyond.
So how do we make sure that we stay ahead
of China, And what's that strategy look like.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well, the President has been really clear that we just
have to win the AI race. America has to maintain
this global leadership and even dominance is a word that
the President has used, and in his first week he
signed in an executive order stating that the gold administration
was to win the AI race and maintain our global
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dominance in AI. And you're right about why. I mean.
AI I think is the most profound and significant new technology.
I think it will be, you know, of this decade.
I think it's a little bit like the Internet was
in the late nineties, but maybe even more than that.
It's going to have huge economic ramifications. And it's also
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a dual use technology, so it has military applications as well.
If we lose the AI race to China, it's just
hard to imagine America maintaining its leadership in the world
as the most powerful country. So if you care about
the balance of power and you want America to be
number one, it's just really intolerable to think that we
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can lose this AI race. So I think the President
understands that. One of the things he did in his
very first week was orcind this one hundred page Biden
EO that was a monstrosity of unnecessarily burden some regulations
and with a fair amount of regulatory capture in there
by certain companies. And so he, you know, with the President,
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I think has a vision of allowing the tech ecosystem
to compete and use that competition to spur us forward.
At the same time, he's also identified certain critical enablers
or building blocks of the technology that he's going to
help unleash. And number one is energy because these new
AI data centers consume vast amounts of energy, much more.
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You know that they're powered by GPUs as opposed to CPUs,
and GPUs use a lot more electricity. So we so
it's it's interesting the AI race is very connected to
the to the energy program that the President has and
so one will fuel the other. Then that's that's one
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of the major things that the President is doing now
to make sure we win this race.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We're talking to David Zach's AI cryptos are part of
the Trump administration. You've known Elon Musk for a long time.
Elon voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty I believe
he voted for Hillary in twenty sixteen. He didn't endorse
Trump officially until July, in the immediate aftermath of the
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assassination attempt in Butler. When you see Elon being attacked
as some sort of far right wing zeloate for trying
to find fraud and waste in the federal government, what
is your reaction As somebody that's had a long personal
relationship with Elon, would you have ever believed that he
would be being attacked as a right wing zealot.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
No, And I you know, I think you're right. This
goes back a long time. Elon was politically neutral for
the longest time, but he he leaned left or leaned Democrat.
I think he voted for Obama, and I think at
one point he voted I think he voted for Biden
or said he did, and I think that's public knowledge.
But you know, the Biden administration did everything possible to
alienate him, and it all started where I think at
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the beginning of the Biden administration, they held an ev
summit at the Whitehouse, and you know, Biden didn't invite Elon,
who created Tesla, which is by far the most successful
electric vehicle company in the world, and is the sole
reason that we have an EV revolution and why United
States is a player in EV He's as opposed to
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it all being China or some other country. And not
only was he not invited, Biden then goes up there
and gives credit to Mary Barraff for creating the EV
revolution when you know what she did at GM was
a total failure. And that was just pure cronyism for Biden.
I mean, that was the whole pattern of the Biden administration,
is making life harder for entrepreneurs and then rewarding their
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supporters and cronies. And you know, that was just the beginning.
I got much worse after that. When Elon bought Twitter
and restored it to a free speech platform. That's when
the left really declared war on him. Let's just be
clear about that. I mean, Elon was a darling of
the left because again he was responsible for bringing about
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the EV revolution, which in their view, would help solve
climate change. Whether you agree with that or not, that
was their view.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And it all.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Changed once he bought Twitter because he wanted to restore
free speech, and that's when they really came after him.
That's when you saw Biden say we got to look
at the sky, you know, from the White House podium,
we need to investigate him. And then they brought a
whole raft of ridiculous investigations in lawsuits. Tesla was investigated
for building a glass house or something absurd like that.
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Space X, which has national security applications, was investigated for
not hiring enough asylum seekers, which is to say, illegal aliens,
which they're not even allowed to do under you know,
I TAR, which is a national security law. So you know,
the Biden administration did everything they could to alienate Elon
and then simultaneously just you know, higher level. This is
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a feeling that was felt by people by many people
in Silicon Valley, like Marc Andreessen, where they felt like
the Biden administration was demonizing entrepreneurs and entrepreneurship. And you know,
these are all people, I mean in Silicon Valley who
started from a more liberal mindset and they gradually got
read pilled and moved Republican because frankly, the Democrats became socialists,
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I mean, they became communists, or at least the faction
within the party that represents that hard left was in
control of domestic policies. So I think that is not
just Elonis. Lots of people got red pilled. But you know,
they didn't set out to be you know, they're not
They're not like right wingers. They just believe in allowing
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America to compete, in allowing entrepreneurs to create new businesses. Socially,
they tend to be pretty modern or liberal. But but
but the Democratic Party just became so hard left that
they became toxic to anyone in the center.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
David, you, I think that's such an interesting analysis. Buck
and I were out to dinner with a couple of
prominent business executives recently and.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They said that, and I know you were a huge
part of this.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Elon Firing seventy five or eighty percent of Twitter's employees
and actually ending up with the far more profitable business
was something that tons of managers, tons of owners have
thought about doing before. It seems to be the blueprint
now for what he's trying to do for fraud and waste.
How much fraud and waste do you think, based on
(27:20):
what you've seen there is in our government expenditures, And
how important was the experience of going through those cuts
at Twitter to giving you an idea what to do
here with the government.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, you know, I was there at Twitter for the
Twitter transition, and I mean it was really remarkable. So
Elon did some really simple things in hindsight that you
wonder why they'd never done before. So, you know, in
a tech company, engineers are the lifeblood of the company.
So Elon did something really simple. He just asked, or
(27:53):
he looked at the code repository and just search how
many engineers have actually written code, code checked in code
in the last several months, and something like only fifty
percent of the engineers at Twitter we're even writing code.
And you know that's their sole output.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
So if you're scooping ice cream for a living and
you don't scoop any ice cream, that's a bad that's
a bad sign.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
It's very easy to measure this, Yeah, I mean it's
very The outpoint is very easily measured. And you know,
I saw somebody, you know, I saw a former Twitter
employee on MSNBC complaining about this how DRACONI and Elon
was because she was required to, you know, do a
test to prove that she could code. Well. Sorry, the
(28:40):
reason why that happened is because half the Twitter employees
weren't checking in code. So then instead of just firing them,
Elon gave them a chance to complete a code exercise
to prove they actually could code. And if you know,
and if they weren't willing to prove that they could
code and they hadn't actually checked in code, they got fired.
I mean, it's just that they weren't doing the job
(29:00):
and it wasn't clear that they were capable of doing
the job.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
David, we're going to be coming into a heart break
here in a second, So I just wanted to I
want to ask you one question that's crypto.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Over later we're speaking to David Sachs.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
The crypto and ais are for the White House and
venture capitalists, for a lot of people who don't owin
own bitcoin and aren't necessarily involved in crypto. I think
the question is, and I'll just give you, sorry a
minute to explain this, or so, why does crypto matter
for everyone, for the country, for the economy, for the
Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
What is it that matters about this?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Well, I think crypto represents a new type of digital platform.
But for finance or for money, there's a few different
components to it. You got bitcoin, which is a store
of value. You've got stable coins for cerptenicy, a new
kind of payment system, and then you've got just blockchains
in general on which you can build new kinds of applications.
(29:52):
And I think it's still very early to say what
the innovation is going to be that comes from this,
but it's a burgeoning area. It's a new kind of
you call it decentralized computing platform, and new kinds of
financial applications can be written on it. And so it's
just it's because it is, I think, a really interesting
area of software. You just want that innovation happening in
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the United States. And I think that what the Biden
administration was doing. They just literally declared war on crypto,
and they were doing everything in their power to kill
the industry, and they were driving all the entrepreneurship offshore.
And you know, I think what we want to do
is allow the innovation to happen here in America so
that it's the United States that ultimately benefits from these
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startups and the innovation that they will bring. And there's
just no reason to kill this thing in the cradle.
Consumer protection can be achieved by having sensible rules around
what people are able to do. But keep in mind
that the biggest fraud in the history of crypto, which
was FTX, was offshore in the Bahamas. And that's what
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happens when you drive you know these companies offshore, is
that it's hard to know the good ones the bad ones,
and so so part of the reason why I think
we want to allow crypto t happen in the US
and to sort of to allow the entrepreneurs to do
things onshore is that it makes it easier for them
to be supervised by regulators so that we can help
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felt good ones from the bad ones.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
David Sachs, Crypto and AIS are for the Trump White House,
So we're gonna need you to come back and talk
more about the future and amazing things if you would
make the time for us. So thank you so much
for coming on today.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Anytime.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Thank you. Team will be right back.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
We are excited to be joined for the first time
today from the White House by May Mailman, Deputy Assistant
to the President and Senior Policies Strategist.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
May welcome to Clay and Buck. Thanks thanks for calling in.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So we saw something get a lot of attention over
the weekend. Here a little exchange between the leader of
the free world, number forty seven, Donald J. Trump, President
of United States, and the governor of Maine. We wanted
everybody to hear how this exchange went May and then
have your reaction to it and what we should expect
is going to come from it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Played the clip.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good.
But I understand Maine is the main here. The governor
of Maine here, are you not going to comply with it?
I'm complying with the state federal laws. Well we are
the federal law. Well you better do it. You better
do it because you're not going to get any federal
funding at all if you don't. And by the way,
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your population, even though it's somewhat liberal orlo, I did
very well there. Your population doesn't want men playing in
women's sports. So you bet you better comply because otherwise
you're not getting any federal funding. See you call every
state good, I'll see you, and could I look forward
to that. That should be a really easy one. And
enjoy your life after, governor, because I don't think you'll
be in elected politics.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
President Trump not messing around there. May and he's not
a man who's afraid of court either. What's going on here?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yeah, well, Main's governor is an idiot, I think is
really how you can describe that, which is she wants
to lose all of her federal funding in order to
make sure that men win women's pole vaulting and can
watch women shower. Like, that's what this is about. And
(33:29):
guess what when she says she's going to comply with
federal law, great, I've got a good one for her.
It's called Title nine. And Title nine requires that women
be given equal opportunities and education programs. Women cannot be
given equal opportunities and education programs if they can't have
women's sports, if you can only give it, here's your
women's sports. Oh, also it has men in it, so
(33:50):
you're not giving women's sports at all, and you don't
make men have to face unfair competition, only the women,
and so that's not equal opportunity. And also by saying
women cannot have privacy, dignity, and the women who you've
talked to that have had to face this, their grades suffer,
(34:13):
they get stomach ulcers, they don't use the bathroom, they
don't use the locker rooms. Paul Scanlon at the University
of Pennsylvania would run home after swimming completely soaking wet
in Pennsylvania in winter. I mean, it's abusive to women,
and that's what Main's governor would like to do.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, I want to hit you with some facts, because
I went on when this broke on Friday. Seventy nine
percent of Americans agree with President Trump here that men
shouldn't be competing in women's sports. That's according to the
New York Times. Ninety four percent of Republicans sixty seven
percent though of Democrats as well. May in addition to
(34:54):
the legality that you just laid out, I think you're
a Harvard walgrad a kind of an impressive thing. But also,
isn't the sheer public support for Trump in a state
that was, as he said, relatively close fifty two forty
five was how that came down closely in Maine against
(35:15):
Kamala and Trump won one of the electoral votes there.
Isn't it crazy that Maine's governor and Democrats in general
would pick this as the battleground based on what the
general public thinks of this issue.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, on one hand, I'm so glad they are because
it like it solidifies their lack of existence as a
serious political party. And on the other it's really sad
because you know, it's it's harming women. But after the
President Trump won the election, I think there was some
(35:49):
in the Democrat parties, Oh, you know, we need to
be normal, like let's try and be a little bit
more normal. And I said, no, don't. I don't think
they're going to be more normal because they can't. I mean,
they're so committed to this stuff. The first page of
their platform when they did their Democratic National Convention was
(36:10):
a land acknowledgment saying they weren't really in Chicago, they
were like in the ancestral homelands of the Okee Shanabi tribe.
That's where the Democrat Party is. And so of course
they are doubling and tripling down on women not having
a right to women's sports. And I don't exactly know
what's going to break them of this, but it's not
(36:30):
going to be Seth Moulton from Massachusetts say hey, hey,
can we be a little bit more normal because the
core of the party, the core of the party really
does believe this stuff. It's not like it's not what
the American public believes, but they believe it in their
core that it is a good, it's a national good
to have men and women's sports.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We're speaking of May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President
and Senior Policy Strategy. She's calling us from the White
House today and May, I don't know if you saw this,
but it goes to what you're talking about. There was
a clip in exchange between I think it was one
of the Pods Save guys, you know, those left wing
Obama era guys, and Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's definitely Bill Maher.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
So it's a Democrat and Bill Maher and he says, essentially,
if you guys don't stop with this gender transition for
minors stuff, you're going to lose every election for the
foreseeable future. And what's fascinating is the Democrat again I
forget the guy's name, is like horrified by this idea
and thinks, oh no, we have to double and triple
down on gender transitions for miners.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah, this is the thing. So Main's governor is no leader,
She is a follower and she is following her party.
And so when Letitia James says, all of the hospitals
in New York are going to continue to mutilate miners,
mutilate and castrate miners. When California says this, when Minnesota
(37:58):
says this, you know, Janet Mills just wants to be
part of the cool kids club. But it's it's pretty
pathetic because the Democrat Party doesn't actually have a leader,
and so all of these people who are trying to
be woke, like who are you? Who are you showing
off for Chuck Schumer? I mean, who's the leader of
the Democratic Party AOC. Who's actually making decisions? There's nobody,
(38:21):
and so that's who's making decisions. It's like the liberal
professors on Blue Sky. It's like the people who used
to censor us on Twitter. That's who's leading the Democratic
Party is nobody. It's a mob. It's a mob of
woke idiots who are over educated sitting in their parents' basement.
And so that's a real problem that the Democrats have
to respond to. It's the pod save guys getting everybody
(38:44):
worked up. But that victim culture of oh my god,
this is terrible, this is terrible. I'm you know, we
need more men and women's sports. It is a lack
of leadership in the Democrat Party, and I don't actually
see a leader emerging who's normal.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We appreciate her calling in from the White House right now,
a mailman. You just were talking about the experience on Friday.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There is a.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Report that I believe it was the chief of staff
or one of the main governor's associates that was outraged
by the president's interaction with the main governor. Did you
see that. I'm sure you saw the reporting on it.
What was the vibe in the room after the interaction, like.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Okay, so this is hilarious but also so telling. So yeah,
this the governor's meeting, which was on Friday, forty six governors.
This is a bipartisan event. We're talking about a super
by part is an issue which is no men in
women's sports. And of course then the governor remains stands
up and says I'm going to ensue you basically, and yeah,
it was tense in the room. Is crazy, I mean,
(39:46):
the president has invited you into his home and here
you are acting in transigent and also on such an
unpopular issue. So the next morning at nine am, the
chiefs of staff come in to ask any questions that
they'd like to the White House staff and one of
the White House staffers, great guy, Alex Meyer, really nice kid,
(40:07):
and Maine the main chief of staff comes up and says,
you know, I hate you. Basically I want to do
all this women's sports and we said no, you've got
to you got to save women's sports for women, and
he said f u u asshole and stormed out of
the room. So this is this is the childish behavior
of the state of Maine is screaming that you're an
(40:30):
a hole to the head of inter governmental affairs at
the White House and marching out.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So this is crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I appreciate you sharing this story because I've I've heard
it happened. But I mean for the governor of Maine. Again,
this is a state that Trump won an electoral vote from,
and I would imagine an overwhelming number because we took
calls on Friday from Maine residents actually agree with the
(40:59):
President in here. That's kind of a crazy thing for
the chief of staff to be doing, right, I mean,
from any state in the White House, I think, but
to react like this to something that the overwhelming majority
of your citizens would support has to be kind of staggering.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Even to you.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
I mean, this is a total activist. So he's a
former Planned Parenthood staffer. Just activism is very much in
his DNA and Alex Meyer and the White House said
that this guy had his full speech prepared. He wanted
to make a name for himself, and so, you know what,
(41:38):
you do have a name for yourself. Now you're known
as an unhinged lunatic who's screaming at random White House staffers.
But you know who wasn't surprised was the Republicans in
the state of Maine who came up right after this
story broke and said, We've been dealing with this guy forever.
So this chief of staff for the State of Maine
(41:59):
basically treats himself as a mini governor and has been
lording over all the people of Maine, being totally impossible
to work with. And apparently even after he had stormed
out of the room, which was totally for theatrics, he
still really needed to stay in the room because he
wanted to touch base with people. He might have had
some more questions, and so he actually just lurked outside
(42:19):
the room. So he stormed off, and instead of going anywhere,
he just stayed out like, right outside.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
The room, may did you have any idea when you
signed up to work in this White House that the
first sixty days or first thirty days rather going on
sixty now was going to be just such a blizzard
of activity.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
So I did and I didn't. So I was here
all four years last time, and it was busy. The
first one hundred days were busy, but it was nothing
like this. And I didn't do transition during Trump one
point zero, but I did transition this time. And so
I can tell you I kind of knew because we
(42:59):
were preparing all the executive orders, and I could tell
it was going to be busy. But one thing that
I didn't anticipate is the first time we'd sign a
lot of things, they would say a lot of words
and then it would be like pulling teeth trying to
get people actually do them, and there was a lot
of disagreement. And now we'll sign something and people implement
(43:20):
them way more aggressively than I even wrote them. I'm like, oh, wow,
you didn't need to do it that. The implementation has
been night and day different. So it keeps us all
on our toes. It's a lot of work, but I
think part of it is everybody's inspired, very inspirational by
the last four years of basically crisis in this country,
(43:43):
and so people are working at a different pace.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
May, we'll have you on again soon. Love you with
the insider stories here. Keep fighting the good fight and
appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
That's May Melman and Buck.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That story wow, I mean the main chief of staff
losing his mind will open up phone lines. We got
a bunch of things still coming your way, Lee Zelden
at the top of the next hour. But I bet
some main residents would like to weigh in on that,
because I don't know that that story has really gotten
out there the reaction the next day. So if we
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both in the United States and frankly around the world
and on podcast. So thanks to everybody out there. We're
joined now by the new head of the EPA. He
is Lee Zelden, and Lee, we appreciate the time. We
know you've been diving into how the money is being
spent at the EPA, and you are already uncovering some
(46:59):
frankly buried secrets that don't have a lot to do
with the environment. Or protection. Now, what can you tell
us about what you found so far?
Speaker 8 (47:07):
It's great to be with you guys. Yes, tens of
billions of dollars. When I was going through my Senate
confirmation process, there was this video that came out. I'm
sure both of you guys saw where the Biden EPA
political appointee, was talking about how they were throwing gold
bars off the Titanic. Says that multiple times in the video,
talks about how he's trying to that they are trying
(47:28):
to get themselves jobs at the recipient NGOs and the
senators I was meeting with at the time were asking
for me to commit which was a pretty easy commitment
for me to make that once I was confirmed, I
would come in and try to find these gold bars. Well,
it didn't take us much time to start finding all
sorts of waste and abuse. I canceled a fifty million
(47:49):
dollar grant to the Climate Justice Alliance. They say that
climate justice runs through a free Palestine. Canceled about ninety
grants working with those towards DEI and and environmental justice.
That's totaling over one hundred and twenty five hundred and
twenty seven million dollars cancel over a million dollars worth
of media subscriptions where the agency was getting ripped off
(48:12):
having to pay too much. And the biggest one was
a twenty billion dollar pot of money parked at a
bank outside of government, a rush job at the end
of the Biden administration to offload tens of billions of dollars,
all going to eight passed through NGOs, one of which
was Stacy Abrams's NGO, which received two billion dollars even
(48:35):
though they only received one hundred dollars. In twenty twenty three,
five billion dollars went to the former employer of the
director of the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund. And a story
out this morning of somebody who was involved in the
council to design this this plan and this pot of
money got twenty million dollars for their organization that they
(48:57):
work at, even though that organization over the last few
years only raised in total just over two million. So
there's a lot there with regards to that pot of
twenty billion dollars. We're not done. It's it's wild how
much waste we've bydeed. And I'll just give you one more.
There was one hundred and sixty million dollars sent to
(49:18):
a Canadian electric vehicle school bus company as part of
the clean school Bus program. They then declared bankruptcy. They
still haven't delivered on ninety five million dollars worth of
school buses for fifty five school districts. Yes by an,
EPA gave them all one hundred and sixty million dollars
up front, and then they declared bankruptcy without performing on
(49:40):
most of the contract. We are going to end the
waste and abuse at the EPA.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, mister administrator, I was gonna say, as the sector
of an administrator of the EPA, lee explain how this works
in just the most simple layman's terms, because we're hearing
this stuff. So the EPA gives out grant millions and
millions of dollars to whatever organization some people in the
(50:06):
EPA decide should get that money to do whatever, Like,
how does that actually go?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
And what kind of oversight is there on this?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
I mean, you're finding this this obvious abuse and fraud.
But I'm just wondering, how is the process. Is it
really just as simple as the EPA says, Oh, we
like this climate change group of lunatics, We're going to
give them, you know, fifty million bucks.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
That's pretty much how it worked out. And that's a
lot of self dealing, a lot of conflicts of interest,
and it's also a lie to the American public when
you talk about terms like environmental justice or climate change
and you define them in a way that appeals to
the masses. Like, for example, with environmental justice, you say
(50:51):
that there's some community that has been left behind and
they need assistance to deal with this pressing environmental issue. Yeah,
there are a lot of people, conservatives, monarchs, liberals say like,
oh wow, this community is in need. They don't have
access to clean airline or water. What can we do
to assist, But here's the problem. In the name of
environmental justice, they'll then get fifty million dollars to an
(51:15):
organization as a left wing advocacy group that's talking about
how climate justice runs through gaza. They'll talk about climate
change in a way that appeals to the masses, and
then in the name of climate change, they'll advance policies
that would bankrupt our country if we did everything. It
will raise the rates for energy costs, it will eliminate
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choice to the point where the people who get hurt
the most of the ones who can least afford it.
The President has been outspoken on this. His words have
been criticized when he's used the term climate change hoax.
What he's been talking about, I've heard him mentioned a
few times where it was in my presence. When I've
heard him talk about it, he's talking about how there
(52:02):
are people who said that the world was imminently about
to end. You know, this was a few years ago.
I'm sure both of you guys remember this, that we're
just a few years away from the end of time,
and that we had to pass this green new deal
that would cost tens of trillions of dollars if we
did everything in this plan, and in the name of
(52:24):
climate change, there's this willingness to cause extreme economic pain
for the people to at least afford it, and it's
wrong and he wants to stop that, and he's.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Right, Lee, so much is changing.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
It feels like in terms of the president's just endorsing
basic common sense and you're talking about fraud and abuse
in the EPA. You ran for governor against Kathy Hochel.
One of the areas that seems to be moving most
aggressively towards sanity, I would say, is the New York
New Jersey area. What do you think that the first
(53:00):
thirty days has done to advance that ball moving more
and more towards sanity. We know New York, for instance,
was more competitive than Texas or California were in the
national election, which stuns people. And the Trump team feels
like if they'd had a little bit more money, they
could have flipped New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
What's really going on here?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
What are you seeing as a guy who's been in
politics for a while and is now part of this administration.
Speaker 8 (53:26):
Top issues for Americans of all walks of life are
related to the economy and crime and public safety. They
care about the illegal immigration at the border, and President
Trump in his first month in office has been working
to make tremendous progress on all of that. And we
(53:46):
see it with the efforts of ice in the Department
of Homeland Security, and he didn't waste any time. It
was something that started on day one. If you are
illegally in the country, and you're the worst of the worst,
we need to be doing everything in our power to
get you out of the country and making sure that
(54:07):
we are actually securing our border. And we're sending a
message to those who haven't come yet, they might have
been on their way to come illegally into the country,
that there's a process and if you want to break
the law, you're not welcome here. And that message, I
think goes a long way inside of some of these
cities where people have experienced the secondary effects of these policies,
(54:32):
impacts on crime, budgets, healthcare, education, housing, and more. And
that progress is something that I think a lot of
Americans are saying, thank God. On another front, on the
energy front, President Trump just signed his executive order for
National Energy Dominance Council, which I'm serving on along with
(54:53):
a secretary right at Department of Energy and Doug Bergham
at the Department of Interior. And there's a big pipeline
project called Constitution Pipeline that would transport natural gas across
many states in the Northeast. And if you're a New
Yorker where they ban the safe extraction of natural gas,
(55:14):
where they are on the pace towards banning the sale
of gas power vehicles, where they do not allow gas
hookups to new construction, and they are talking about offshore
wind as if that is the replacement for baseload energy
closing indiandpoint not getting new nuclear on site opportunities to
(55:35):
have more AI data centers, but those require energy to
It's just night and day when you look at where
we were not that long ago and where we are
since President Trump was sworn into office. And here's the thing.
We're not a month in saying our work is done
here and now we're going to start coasting. We're just
getting started. This is just the beginning of what I
(55:58):
believe too is a Golden age age of American success.
Just like President Trump talks about.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Mister administrator, I want to ask you about that. To
close us out here, which is right now we've seen
whether it's what you're doing at the EPA and obviously
DOGE government wide under President Trump's approval, is getting rid
of the waste, right, the waste is bad. What are
the EPA priorities under this Trump administration that are action
(56:25):
for the environment or that are things that actually touch
on what the mission of your agency is supposed to
be other than not paying a lot of money to
left wing climate lunatics, Like, what are some of the
things you're going to try to get done as EPA administrator.
As long as you're in that role that Trump wants
you to pursue.
Speaker 8 (56:43):
Love that question. And President Trump wants clean air, land,
and water for all Americans. The core mission of EPA
is protecting human health and the environment. Right now, we
are finishing up our Phase one hazardous material removal. It
was a thirty day timeline in Los Angeles after the wildfires.
President Trump set a bold deadline. But we have over
fifteen hundred workers on the ground to be able to
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
just keep stacking wins. Lots to dive into. Let's start
with the fun. By the way, we've got a loaded show.
David sachs Ai, czar of the new Trump administration, will
(00:27):
join us at the bottom of this hour. Multi billionaire
venture capital investor, brilliant guy. Lots to talk about with him.
He'll be on with us in this hour. Second hour,
We're gonna talk with May Mailman. She's inside of the
Trump White House. She's gonna talk about the big blow
(00:47):
up that happened in the final hour during the final
hour of the show on Friday, when the governor of
Maine said she would be suing Donald Trump over men
being allowed to continue to play in women's sports, but
then also lots of spice surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
May was there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
She's going to come on and tell us all about it.
Plus there's a viral story that I'm told is not true.
She'll talk about in more detail. But some of you
may have seen a report that the Philadelphia Eagles had
rejected a White House invite. They are the super Bowl champions.
You'll remember Trump certainly cheered at the Super Bowl. Many
of those people in attendance were Eagle fans. I'm told
(01:27):
by the White House that there has not been an
official offer extended to the Eagles and that there has
been no rejection that that was fake news. We'll get
into that maybe a little bit with May and then
the new head of the EPA, Lee's Eldon, former congressman
from New York, nearly beat Kathy Hokel in the twenty
twenty two governor's race. All of that coming in your
(01:52):
direction during the course of today's show. But Buck, yesterday,
I woke up on Sunday morning, rolled over to check
and see what the news of the day was, and
there was joy in the Twitter streets. MSNBC far left
wing moron host Joy Reid fired her show canceled as NBC.
(02:19):
The MSNBC panics as no one is watching their network
in the wake of Trump's electoral victory in November. And Buck,
before we play some of the best moments of Joy Reid.
To me, the biggest takeaway, and I'm curious what your
takeaway here would be, was in the wake of twenty
seventeen when Trump came into office. Being anti Trump and
(02:41):
a part of the resistance was great for The New
York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC,
all of their audiences skyrocketed as they bought into the
hardcore Trump resistance. But so far as we sit over
(03:01):
a month into the Trump era, there is no rush
to support. There is no democracy dies in darkness equivalent.
The resistance, as you and I have talked about, is
actually sad. We watched the resistance march through the streets
of DC. The culture appears to have been has shifted,
(03:22):
and the business imperatives to be able to make money
are vastly different, and that, to me is the underlying
foundation of why Joy Reid got fired. Certainly, if there
were money to be made, I think MSNBC would have
continued to cash the checks. But she's an embarrassment, she's
(03:42):
a moron. Her show was not good, and the profitability
of that show has declined, which I think is the
signature takeaway of the big picture here.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You also have the step down of Lester Holt from NBC,
which was just announced before we came on the This
is part of the ongoing I wouldn't say shake up.
I would say reckoning that the Democrat aligned media is
going through right now, Because even if you were somebody
who liked Joy Reid and we got to get we
got a montage coming here, Oh we need a montage.
(04:16):
Even if for somebody who liked Joy Reid or you're
an MSNBC watcher, you do, I would think live in
reality enough that you can understand that everything they told
you that was going to happen did not happen, that
all the promises that they made were broken correct, and
that apparently they know nothing about American politics, or the
American electorate, or the justice system, or the prospects of
(04:39):
Donald Trump, all of the above. Right if you were
relying on these people to tell you what the American
future was going to look like, you are wildly disappointed
right now.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And more than that, I think people.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Are seeing their ideology that hasn't been really tested in
the public sphere, test in ways, and not just tested mocked.
It's being mocked and joy read.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I'll say this.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know there's always a little part of me and
I'm sure you have the same thing, Clay. Do you
celebrate when somebody loses a job. She's made millions of dollars.
She's not poor. She's going to get a job somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
This isn't celebrating when like the factory closes and guys
work in the assembly line don't have a paycheck to
pay there, Okay, because you know, the libs love it.
They celebrate whenever anyone on the right loses their job.
But then when someone like Joy Reid loses her show,
we're supposed to go, Oh, don't ever celebrate somebody else's lost.
She's a multimillionaire. She's going to be taken care of.
(05:35):
She'll get paid lots of money to do nothing somewhere else. Okay,
it's she's going to be fine. That's one thing that
I wanted to get out there because now we're about
to really have some fun and dive into Joy reads.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Great.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Are you ready for this? Clay Strap it in everybody.
I can't wait to hear it. I have not heard
this yet. I was waiting to be able to experience
it with all of you. This is producer Greg's work, right.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Let's give him.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Put on a beret. The artiste has gone to work
here he pulled it together. He edited over the weekend
cut for hit It.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
We do have a fascist ground swell in parts of
this country, mainly among white men. He called himself big
b a l LS. That's what he calls himself. It
was a Nazi era on Twitter. That is back, and
Alon's doing it. Twitter now is useless to me. If
people like me are leaving, I don't know how Twitter survives.
Trump has two to eddies Putin and Andy law Musk
(06:30):
a far right dictatorial regime like Hitler's Germany or Franco's
Spain or Mussolini's Italy. Vice president Kamala Debbie Harris, She's
about to make history. She's about to become the first
woman President's an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She had Queen
Latifa never endorses anyone. Keep Hitler out the White House,
Hitler white House. We keeping them out.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Restoring the name.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
For Bragg sure looks like an attempt to resegregate the
military extremist, right wing fascist type government in Florida. It's
a right wing fantasy land like disney World, but in hell.
Come to Florida, the meatest place on earth. The racist
tomahawk chop, the gesture and chant, promoting stereotypes, caricatures, and
frankly hatred of Native American people. Sports commentator turned right
(07:14):
wing political commentator Clay Travis called for Trump supporters in
New York City to try to get seated on the
jury and then refuse to convict. That is openly encouraging
jury tampering. Similarities to what happened in Germany and what's
happening now in America are just undeniable. History may not
repeat verbatim, but it sure does.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Rhyme, Oh, you got a shout out there in that montage?
What is your favorite of the joy Read isms? I
still think the greatest. I mean a lot of you know, Nazis,
and I don't like white Republicans and all that, But
to me, Kamala ran a flawless campaign because meing Atifa
endorsed her is the is the greatest thing Joy Read
(07:51):
has ever said on TV.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
After she lost. That's Harmona, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
That's that's the one that I think her her entire
repertoire really kind of comes back to over and over again.
In fact here that is if that was part of
the montage, but it's cut seven, and.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Remember Joy Reid during the course.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Of Election Night on MSNBC, and let me before we
play that, let me also point this out. Buck, you said, Hey,
she's gonna continue to make money, She's gonna go else
Here is what I would say in general.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Have you seen anyone upset that her show was canceled.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Imagine that you have the opportunity, the luxury, the privilege
to talk to millions of people every night, to come
into their home, and when you lose your job, no
one cares because there is no one that is actually
a fan of you. This is what's happened with Don Lemon,
this is what has happened with Jim Acosta, this is
(08:49):
now what is happening with Joy Reid. Whatever you think
about Tucker, whatever you think about Bill O'Reilly. When their
shows ended on Fox News, people were really upset that
they were no longer there, and those guys have been
able to have careers elsewhere. Piers Morgan, Megan Kelly. There
are people who talk to you on television that develop
(09:11):
a connection and a relationship to such an extent that
you can continue with them and you'll follow them wherever
they go. I like to think, Buck, if one day
you or I weren't on this show and we were like, Hey,
we're going to go do x or Y that a
lot of you would be like, hey, I want to
go see what you're going to do somewhere else, because
we have a relationship with all of you. Joy doesn't
(09:34):
have any audience. I didn't see anybody complaining about her
being fired. There was a mass exultation, and it's because
of moronic takes like this, Kamala Harris, whatever you want
to say. According to Joy Reid, she really did run
a flawless campaign. She got endorsed by Queen Latifa and
Beyonce and Taylor Swift. That was the entirety of her
(09:56):
argument of how flawless the campaign was.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Listen, this really was an historic, flawlessly run campaign. She
had Queen Latina never endorses anyone she came, you know.
I mean, she had every prominent celebrity voice. She had,
She had the Taylor Swift is to the Swifties, she
had the beehive, Like, you could not have run a
(10:19):
better campaign in that short period of time. And I
think that's still true.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
I mean, I don't even know that there's anyone on
the Kamala campaign buck that would say Kamala ran a
flawless campaign.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Joy reviews it as solidarity with a black female presidential candidate,
And she's just going to say that Kamala was awesome
no matter what Kamala did, and that that's what her
job was, essentially on MSNBC, to say whatever the left
wing wanted her to say at any point in time.
There's also often a real nastiness in her commentary. You know,
(10:55):
there was a there was a glee and anybody in
Trump world, by the way, j six people getting locked
up having their lives ruined, not a nice person. I mean,
I have I don't think she has any talent. I
think she's a DEI higher I think, and I think
everybody at MSNBC knew that. And I think that everything
about the media that we saw engaging in this kind
(11:17):
of commentary before Trump's win proves that they have no honesty,
They've no intellectual curiosity, they don't really know anything. And
it's a good thing that there has finally been a
walk away from this. Now there will be other left
wing voices that grow in some ways right the oldest
what is it, the oldest aphorism? A crisis is an
(11:38):
opportunity for people on the left right now we talk
about the politicians, for commentators as well. For someone to
come forward and be able to appeal to the left
who has not been essentially mauled, you know, hasn't had
their credibility fed into the woodshipper by the Trump machine
just completely running them over. That's I think an opportunity.
(11:59):
But we'll see who that is is, because right now
there's not even we.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Talk about this.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
It'd be there's some things I know you've been doing.
Piers Morgan, which looks like fun. That's a left right show,
though right in peers refereeing, there's not a left wing show.
I mean, I don't think, because I don't even think
Bill mar is a left wing show. And I agree
on that there's not a left wing show that I
would go on right now, because there's nobody that I
care to speak to from the left who's worth the
worth the effort, worth the problem that's or you know,
the the irritation.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I would like to go on the View.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I would like to go on the View because of
the carnage that would ensue, not because I respect their
intelligence or the quality of their show, which is on
some level what you're saying. But just because the Jerry
Springer like nature of the appearance would go so viral,
you think that do you think they would you do
you think they would come.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
At you right away?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Or would they try to pretend like they're going to
be respectful of the guests?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean, I bet every single person listening to us
right now would watch me going on the view, and
I wouldn't hold back. I wouldn't tiptoe up to anything.
I would argue with them.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But I'm I, if you know, I tend to err
on the side of polite, at least in the beginning.
Clay would just start throwing bombs right away, Clay is
throwing bombs, I'd be like, pardon me, ladies, we're having
an exchange of ideas here. Clay would just be like,
shut your faces. You know, we get right into it.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I react to the vibe under which I am talked to,
but also I have no filter, and that could be
good and bad, but it means that, you know, like
the University of Chicago thing that I did that went megaviral,
I wasn't planning to say the exact phraseology that I was.
But when she cut me off, for instance, and said, oh,
but Trump's a grandpa.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's like, well, I'm going to react to that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Or when they said if you watch that clip, oh,
Trump's an awful father, and I'm like, actually, his five
kids have a great deal of affection for him. I mean,
there are lots of things you can attack people for,
but when I see them as being completely dishonest, I
can't hold back.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I just naturally react.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think it would be one of the most viral
moments in the view history if they had me on
I don't think they would have me on Buck because
I actually think it would go well for me and
poorly for them.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
But actually they should, right, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And having done this, I don't know if you've ever
been three or four on one before. I've done it
many times back in the day CNN and other places.
It's very hard because people talk over you and you
have so little time to talk, and then what they
do is they accuse you of interrupting them while they're
interrupting you, and and you know this, it's so Yes,
(14:35):
it would be interesting, it would be good television, but
I'm telling you it would turn into it would turn
into a melee very fast. Point being though, there's nobody
on the left you'd want to sit down with and say,
let's have a real exchange of let's have a real
exchange of ideas here, like let's really get into the
meat the substance of the debates in this country right now.
We'll come into this, come back into this in a second.
We have you even mentioned yet, Clay some of the
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Speaker 2 (16:30):
And we're joined now by AI and Cryptos. Are David Sachs,
super successful investor. I think the last time we talked
to you, David, was up in Milwaukee. You came by
our set, and we appreciate you coming by again.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Now, Host of the Host of the All In podcast
co host of it, which I have to mention because
my brother loves it and I have to always be like, well,
you listen to my show first, and he kind of
pleads the fifth.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So anyway, David, big news Apple announcing they're going to
invest five hundred billion dollars twenty thousand and jobs. You
are plugged in with the overall universe of tech better
than almost anybody. How would you assess the first month
of the Trump administration and what do you see and
(17:12):
hear from people in your universe as they are coming
to grips with the new Trump term.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
How excited are they? What do they expect, what do
they want? What do they need?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, I think the first thirty days has just been incredible.
I mean really across the board. I mean, the president
has just begun the term with so much energy, so
much actions, so many executive orders. It's been a total
sea change. I mean just outside of economics and AI
and tech for a second, I mean the President's basically
solve the border crisis within days. Biden, for the last
(17:46):
year of his term pretended that he needed a congressional
action to do that, and this was somehow a problem
that was just unsolvable. And President Trump comes in there
and within days he's basically solved the border crisis. It's
just incredible, and so many other things are like that.
And so I would say there's an overall feeling in
the country right now that we can actually change things,
(18:09):
we can do things. I mean that the government seemed
to be this unfixable problem, just basically this bureaucracy that
you can never get anything done, and we just have
to live with a border crisis, we just have to
live with a two trillion dollar death set. And now
you see that Doge just going line by line through
the budget identifying the waste and fraud to eliminate that.
(18:32):
So I think there's just in general this can do attitude.
And I think that with respect to tech, it applies
to that as well. I mean, the President has promised
that we're going to be rescinding regulations unnecessary regulations for
every new regulation. I think the an Agency as to
(18:52):
proposed I mean, like tend more to eliminate. We shouldn't
be hard, just given the sheer number of regular relations
that we have hated. So I think in general there's
just a very optimistic attitude and I think even in
liberal Silicon Valley there is I would say, almost like
a a grudging appreciation for what President Trump is doing.
(19:17):
And you saw it the inauguration. The leaders of all
the major tech companies were there. It's a very different
attitude than I think in twenty sixteen, where you know,
I think a lot of parts of Silicon Valley solved
themselves as part of the resistance. Now I think they're
I think they're fairly positive about the Trump administration. That
they may not all be saying that publicly, but I
(19:39):
think they know that on the whole it's going to
be much better for business than the Biden administration.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
David, it's buck appreciate you making the time for us
on the issue of AI. Got a lot of attention
recently because of that moment where everyone freaked out about
deep seek and is China going to get ahead of us?
And without getting into the weeds on that, I just
wanted to know, what do you think the strategic vision
is for the Trump administration to stay ahead of China
(20:07):
when it comes to AI, which obviously has enormous implications
for the economy, but even for things like defense and beyond.
So how do we make sure that we stay ahead
of China, And what's that strategy look like.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well, the President has been really clear that we just
have to win the AI race. America has to maintain
this global leadership and even dominance is a word that
the President has used, and in his first week he
signed in an executive order stating that the gold administration
was to win the AI race and maintain our global
(20:42):
dominance in AI. And you're right about why. I mean.
AI I think is the most profound and significant new technology.
I think it will be, you know, of this decade.
I think it's a little bit like the Internet was
in the late nineties, but maybe even more than that.
It's going to have huge economic ramifications. And it's also
(21:04):
a dual use technology, so it has military applications as well.
If we lose the AI race to China, it's just
hard to imagine America maintaining its leadership in the world
as the most powerful country. So if you care about
the balance of power and you want America to be
number one, it's just really intolerable to think that we
(21:24):
can lose this AI race. So I think the President
understands that. One of the things he did in his
very first week was orcind this one hundred page Biden
EO that was a monstrosity of unnecessarily burden some regulations
and with a fair amount of regulatory capture in there
by certain companies. And so he, you know, with the President,
(21:46):
I think has a vision of allowing the tech ecosystem
to compete and use that competition to spur us forward.
At the same time, he's also identified certain critical enablers
or building blocks of the technology that he's going to
help unleash. And number one is energy because these new
AI data centers consume vast amounts of energy, much more.
(22:10):
You know that they're powered by GPUs as opposed to CPUs,
and GPUs use a lot more electricity. So we so
it's it's interesting the AI race is very connected to
the to the energy program that the President has and
so one will fuel the other. Then that's that's one
(22:30):
of the major things that the President is doing now
to make sure we win this race.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
We're talking to David Zach's AI cryptos are part of
the Trump administration. You've known Elon Musk for a long time.
Elon voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty I believe
he voted for Hillary in twenty sixteen. He didn't endorse
Trump officially until July, in the immediate aftermath of the
(22:55):
assassination attempt in Butler. When you see Elon being attacked
as some sort of far right wing zeloate for trying
to find fraud and waste in the federal government, what
is your reaction As somebody that's had a long personal
relationship with Elon, would you have ever believed that he
would be being attacked as a right wing zealot.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
No, And I you know, I think you're right. This
goes back a long time. Elon was politically neutral for
the longest time, but he he leaned left or leaned Democrat.
I think he voted for Obama, and I think at
one point he voted I think he voted for Biden
or said he did, and I think that's public knowledge.
But you know, the Biden administration did everything possible to
alienate him, and it all started where I think at
(23:40):
the beginning of the Biden administration, they held an ev
summit at the Whitehouse, and you know, Biden didn't invite Elon,
who created Tesla, which is by far the most successful
electric vehicle company in the world, and is the sole
reason that we have an EV revolution and why United
States is a player in EV He's as opposed to
(24:02):
it all being China or some other country. And not
only was he not invited, Biden then goes up there
and gives credit to Mary Barraff for creating the EV
revolution when you know what she did at GM was
a total failure. And that was just pure cronyism for Biden.
I mean, that was the whole pattern of the Biden administration,
is making life harder for entrepreneurs and then rewarding their
(24:24):
supporters and cronies. And you know, that was just the beginning.
I got much worse after that. When Elon bought Twitter
and restored it to a free speech platform. That's when
the left really declared war on him. Let's just be
clear about that. I mean, Elon was a darling of
the left because again he was responsible for bringing about
(24:46):
the EV revolution, which in their view, would help solve
climate change. Whether you agree with that or not, that
was their view.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And it all.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Changed once he bought Twitter because he wanted to restore
free speech, and that's when they really came after him.
That's when you saw Biden say we got to look
at the sky, you know, from the White House podium,
we need to investigate him. And then they brought a
whole raft of ridiculous investigations in lawsuits. Tesla was investigated
for building a glass house or something absurd like that.
(25:17):
Space X, which has national security applications, was investigated for
not hiring enough asylum seekers, which is to say, illegal aliens,
which they're not even allowed to do under you know,
I TAR, which is a national security law. So you know,
the Biden administration did everything they could to alienate Elon
and then simultaneously just you know, higher level. This is
(25:41):
a feeling that was felt by people by many people
in Silicon Valley, like Marc Andreessen, where they felt like
the Biden administration was demonizing entrepreneurs and entrepreneurship. And you know,
these are all people, I mean in Silicon Valley who
started from a more liberal mindset and they gradually got
read pilled and moved Republican because frankly, the Democrats became socialists,
(26:05):
I mean, they became communists, or at least the faction
within the party that represents that hard left was in
control of domestic policies. So I think that is not
just Elonis. Lots of people got red pilled. But you know,
they didn't set out to be you know, they're not
They're not like right wingers. They just believe in allowing
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America to compete, in allowing entrepreneurs to create new businesses. Socially,
they tend to be pretty modern or liberal. But but
but the Democratic Party just became so hard left that
they became toxic to anyone in the center.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
David, you, I think that's such an interesting analysis. Buck
and I were out to dinner with a couple of
prominent business executives recently and.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They said that, and I know you were a huge
part of this.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Elon Firing seventy five or eighty percent of Twitter's employees
and actually ending up with the far more profitable business
was something that tons of managers, tons of owners have
thought about doing before. It seems to be the blueprint
now for what he's trying to do for fraud and waste.
How much fraud and waste do you think, based on
(27:20):
what you've seen there is in our government expenditures, And
how important was the experience of going through those cuts
at Twitter to giving you an idea what to do
here with the government.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, you know, I was there at Twitter for the
Twitter transition, and I mean it was really remarkable. So
Elon did some really simple things in hindsight that you
wonder why they'd never done before. So, you know, in
a tech company, engineers are the lifeblood of the company.
So Elon did something really simple. He just asked, or
(27:53):
he looked at the code repository and just search how
many engineers have actually written code, code checked in code
in the last several months, and something like only fifty
percent of the engineers at Twitter we're even writing code.
And you know that's their sole output.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
So if you're scooping ice cream for a living and
you don't scoop any ice cream, that's a bad that's
a bad sign.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
It's very easy to measure this, Yeah, I mean it's
very The outpoint is very easily measured. And you know,
I saw somebody, you know, I saw a former Twitter
employee on MSNBC complaining about this how DRACONI and Elon
was because she was required to, you know, do a
test to prove that she could code. Well. Sorry, the
(28:40):
reason why that happened is because half the Twitter employees
weren't checking in code. So then instead of just firing them,
Elon gave them a chance to complete a code exercise
to prove they actually could code. And if you know,
and if they weren't willing to prove that they could
code and they hadn't actually checked in code, they got fired.
I mean, it's just that they weren't doing the job
(29:00):
and it wasn't clear that they were capable of doing
the job.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
David, we're going to be coming into a heart break
here in a second, So I just wanted to I
want to ask you one question that's crypto.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Over later we're speaking to David Sachs.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
The crypto and ais are for the White House and
venture capitalists, for a lot of people who don't owin
own bitcoin and aren't necessarily involved in crypto. I think
the question is, and I'll just give you, sorry a
minute to explain this, or so, why does crypto matter
for everyone, for the country, for the economy, for the
Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
What is it that matters about this?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Well, I think crypto represents a new type of digital platform.
But for finance or for money, there's a few different
components to it. You got bitcoin, which is a store
of value. You've got stable coins for cerptenicy, a new
kind of payment system, and then you've got just blockchains
in general on which you can build new kinds of applications.
(29:52):
And I think it's still very early to say what
the innovation is going to be that comes from this,
but it's a burgeoning area. It's a new kind of
you call it decentralized computing platform, and new kinds of
financial applications can be written on it. And so it's
just it's because it is, I think, a really interesting
area of software. You just want that innovation happening in
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the United States. And I think that what the Biden
administration was doing. They just literally declared war on crypto,
and they were doing everything in their power to kill
the industry, and they were driving all the entrepreneurship offshore.
And you know, I think what we want to do
is allow the innovation to happen here in America so
that it's the United States that ultimately benefits from these
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startups and the innovation that they will bring. And there's
just no reason to kill this thing in the cradle.
Consumer protection can be achieved by having sensible rules around
what people are able to do. But keep in mind
that the biggest fraud in the history of crypto, which
was FTX, was offshore in the Bahamas. And that's what
(30:54):
happens when you drive you know these companies offshore, is
that it's hard to know the good ones the bad ones,
and so so part of the reason why I think
we want to allow crypto t happen in the US
and to sort of to allow the entrepreneurs to do
things onshore is that it makes it easier for them
to be supervised by regulators so that we can help
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felt good ones from the bad ones.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
David Sachs, Crypto and AIS are for the Trump White House,
So we're gonna need you to come back and talk
more about the future and amazing things if you would
make the time for us. So thank you so much
for coming on today.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Anytime.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Thank you. Team will be right back.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
We are excited to be joined for the first time
today from the White House by May Mailman, Deputy Assistant
to the President and Senior Policies Strategist.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
May welcome to Clay and Buck. Thanks thanks for calling in.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So we saw something get a lot of attention over
the weekend. Here a little exchange between the leader of
the free world, number forty seven, Donald J. Trump, President
of United States, and the governor of Maine. We wanted
everybody to hear how this exchange went May and then
have your reaction to it and what we should expect
is going to come from it.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Played the clip.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way, that's good.
But I understand Maine is the main here. The governor
of Maine here, are you not going to comply with it?
I'm complying with the state federal laws. Well we are
the federal law. Well you better do it. You better
do it because you're not going to get any federal
funding at all if you don't. And by the way,
(32:39):
your population, even though it's somewhat liberal orlo, I did
very well there. Your population doesn't want men playing in
women's sports. So you bet you better comply because otherwise
you're not getting any federal funding. See you call every
state good, I'll see you, and could I look forward
to that. That should be a really easy one. And
enjoy your life after, governor, because I don't think you'll
be in elected politics.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
President Trump not messing around there. May and he's not
a man who's afraid of court either. What's going on here?
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yeah, well, Main's governor is an idiot, I think is
really how you can describe that, which is she wants
to lose all of her federal funding in order to
make sure that men win women's pole vaulting and can
watch women shower. Like, that's what this is about. And
(33:29):
guess what when she says she's going to comply with
federal law, great, I've got a good one for her.
It's called Title nine. And Title nine requires that women
be given equal opportunities and education programs. Women cannot be
given equal opportunities and education programs if they can't have
women's sports, if you can only give it, here's your
women's sports. Oh, also it has men in it, so
(33:50):
you're not giving women's sports at all, and you don't
make men have to face unfair competition, only the women,
and so that's not equal opportunity. And also by saying
women cannot have privacy, dignity, and the women who you've
talked to that have had to face this, their grades suffer,
(34:13):
they get stomach ulcers, they don't use the bathroom, they
don't use the locker rooms. Paul Scanlon at the University
of Pennsylvania would run home after swimming completely soaking wet
in Pennsylvania in winter. I mean, it's abusive to women,
and that's what Main's governor would like to do.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, I want to hit you with some facts, because
I went on when this broke on Friday. Seventy nine
percent of Americans agree with President Trump here that men
shouldn't be competing in women's sports. That's according to the
New York Times. Ninety four percent of Republicans sixty seven
percent though of Democrats as well. May in addition to
(34:54):
the legality that you just laid out, I think you're
a Harvard walgrad a kind of an impressive thing. But also,
isn't the sheer public support for Trump in a state
that was, as he said, relatively close fifty two forty
five was how that came down closely in Maine against
(35:15):
Kamala and Trump won one of the electoral votes there.
Isn't it crazy that Maine's governor and Democrats in general
would pick this as the battleground based on what the
general public thinks of this issue.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Yeah, on one hand, I'm so glad they are because
it like it solidifies their lack of existence as a
serious political party. And on the other it's really sad
because you know, it's it's harming women. But after the
President Trump won the election, I think there was some
(35:49):
in the Democrat parties, Oh, you know, we need to
be normal, like let's try and be a little bit
more normal. And I said, no, don't. I don't think
they're going to be more normal because they can't. I mean,
they're so committed to this stuff. The first page of
their platform when they did their Democratic National Convention was
(36:10):
a land acknowledgment saying they weren't really in Chicago, they
were like in the ancestral homelands of the Okee Shanabi tribe.
That's where the Democrat Party is. And so of course
they are doubling and tripling down on women not having
a right to women's sports. And I don't exactly know
what's going to break them of this, but it's not
(36:30):
going to be Seth Moulton from Massachusetts say hey, hey,
can we be a little bit more normal because the
core of the party, the core of the party really
does believe this stuff. It's not like it's not what
the American public believes, but they believe it in their
core that it is a good, it's a national good
to have men and women's sports.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
We're speaking of May Mailman, Deputy Assistant to the President
and Senior Policy Strategy. She's calling us from the White
House today and May, I don't know if you saw this,
but it goes to what you're talking about. There was
a clip in exchange between I think it was one
of the Pods Save guys, you know, those left wing
Obama era guys, and Bill Maher.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's definitely Bill Maher.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
So it's a Democrat and Bill Maher and he says, essentially,
if you guys don't stop with this gender transition for
minors stuff, you're going to lose every election for the
foreseeable future. And what's fascinating is the Democrat again I
forget the guy's name, is like horrified by this idea
and thinks, oh no, we have to double and triple
down on gender transitions for miners.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Yeah, this is the thing. So Main's governor is no leader,
She is a follower and she is following her party.
And so when Letitia James says, all of the hospitals
in New York are going to continue to mutilate miners,
mutilate and castrate miners. When California says this, when Minnesota
(37:58):
says this, you know, Janet Mills just wants to be
part of the cool kids club. But it's it's pretty
pathetic because the Democrat Party doesn't actually have a leader,
and so all of these people who are trying to
be woke, like who are you? Who are you showing
off for Chuck Schumer? I mean, who's the leader of
the Democratic Party AOC. Who's actually making decisions? There's nobody,
(38:21):
and so that's who's making decisions. It's like the liberal
professors on Blue Sky. It's like the people who used
to censor us on Twitter. That's who's leading the Democratic
Party is nobody. It's a mob. It's a mob of
woke idiots who are over educated sitting in their parents' basement.
And so that's a real problem that the Democrats have
to respond to. It's the pod save guys getting everybody
(38:44):
worked up. But that victim culture of oh my god,
this is terrible, this is terrible. I'm you know, we
need more men and women's sports. It is a lack
of leadership in the Democrat Party, and I don't actually
see a leader emerging who's normal.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We appreciate her calling in from the White House right now,
a mailman. You just were talking about the experience on Friday.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There is a.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Report that I believe it was the chief of staff
or one of the main governor's associates that was outraged
by the president's interaction with the main governor. Did you
see that. I'm sure you saw the reporting on it.
What was the vibe in the room after the interaction, like.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Okay, so this is hilarious but also so telling. So yeah,
this the governor's meeting, which was on Friday, forty six governors.
This is a bipartisan event. We're talking about a super
by part is an issue which is no men in
women's sports. And of course then the governor remains stands
up and says I'm going to ensue you basically, and yeah,
it was tense in the room. Is crazy, I mean,
(39:46):
the president has invited you into his home and here
you are acting in transigent and also on such an
unpopular issue. So the next morning at nine am, the
chiefs of staff come in to ask any questions that
they'd like to the White House staff and one of
the White House staffers, great guy, Alex Meyer, really nice kid,
(40:07):
and Maine the main chief of staff comes up and says,
you know, I hate you. Basically I want to do
all this women's sports and we said no, you've got
to you got to save women's sports for women, and
he said f u u asshole and stormed out of
the room. So this is this is the childish behavior
of the state of Maine is screaming that you're an
(40:30):
a hole to the head of inter governmental affairs at
the White House and marching out.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
So this is crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I appreciate you sharing this story because I've I've heard
it happened. But I mean for the governor of Maine. Again,
this is a state that Trump won an electoral vote from,
and I would imagine an overwhelming number because we took
calls on Friday from Maine residents actually agree with the
(40:59):
President in here. That's kind of a crazy thing for
the chief of staff to be doing, right, I mean,
from any state in the White House, I think, but
to react like this to something that the overwhelming majority
of your citizens would support has to be kind of staggering.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Even to you.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
I mean, this is a total activist. So he's a
former Planned Parenthood staffer. Just activism is very much in
his DNA and Alex Meyer and the White House said
that this guy had his full speech prepared. He wanted
to make a name for himself, and so, you know what,
(41:38):
you do have a name for yourself. Now you're known
as an unhinged lunatic who's screaming at random White House staffers.
But you know who wasn't surprised was the Republicans in
the state of Maine who came up right after this
story broke and said, We've been dealing with this guy forever.
So this chief of staff for the State of Maine
(41:59):
basically treats himself as a mini governor and has been
lording over all the people of Maine, being totally impossible
to work with. And apparently even after he had stormed
out of the room, which was totally for theatrics, he
still really needed to stay in the room because he
wanted to touch base with people. He might have had
some more questions, and so he actually just lurked outside
(42:19):
the room. So he stormed off, and instead of going anywhere,
he just stayed out like, right outside.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
The room, may did you have any idea when you
signed up to work in this White House that the
first sixty days or first thirty days rather going on
sixty now was going to be just such a blizzard
of activity.
Speaker 6 (42:39):
So I did and I didn't. So I was here
all four years last time, and it was busy. The
first one hundred days were busy, but it was nothing
like this. And I didn't do transition during Trump one
point zero, but I did transition this time. And so
I can tell you I kind of knew because we
(42:59):
were preparing all the executive orders, and I could tell
it was going to be busy. But one thing that
I didn't anticipate is the first time we'd sign a
lot of things, they would say a lot of words
and then it would be like pulling teeth trying to
get people actually do them, and there was a lot
of disagreement. And now we'll sign something and people implement
(43:20):
them way more aggressively than I even wrote them. I'm like, oh, wow,
you didn't need to do it that. The implementation has
been night and day different. So it keeps us all
on our toes. It's a lot of work, but I
think part of it is everybody's inspired, very inspirational by
the last four years of basically crisis in this country,
(43:43):
and so people are working at a different pace.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
May, we'll have you on again soon. Love you with
the insider stories here. Keep fighting the good fight and
appreciate the time.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
All right, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
That's May Melman and Buck.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That story wow, I mean the main chief of staff
losing his mind will open up phone lines. We got
a bunch of things still coming your way, Lee Zelden
at the top of the next hour. But I bet
some main residents would like to weigh in on that,
because I don't know that that story has really gotten
out there the reaction the next day. So if we
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both in the United States and frankly around the world
and on podcast. So thanks to everybody out there. We're
joined now by the new head of the EPA. He
is Lee Zelden, and Lee, we appreciate the time. We
know you've been diving into how the money is being
spent at the EPA, and you are already uncovering some
(46:59):
frankly buried secrets that don't have a lot to do
with the environment. Or protection. Now, what can you tell
us about what you found so far?
Speaker 8 (47:07):
It's great to be with you guys. Yes, tens of
billions of dollars. When I was going through my Senate
confirmation process, there was this video that came out. I'm
sure both of you guys saw where the Biden EPA
political appointee, was talking about how they were throwing gold
bars off the Titanic. Says that multiple times in the video,
talks about how he's trying to that they are trying
(47:28):
to get themselves jobs at the recipient NGOs and the
senators I was meeting with at the time were asking
for me to commit which was a pretty easy commitment
for me to make that once I was confirmed, I
would come in and try to find these gold bars. Well,
it didn't take us much time to start finding all
sorts of waste and abuse. I canceled a fifty million
(47:49):
dollar grant to the Climate Justice Alliance. They say that
climate justice runs through a free Palestine. Canceled about ninety
grants working with those towards DEI and and environmental justice.
That's totaling over one hundred and twenty five hundred and
twenty seven million dollars cancel over a million dollars worth
of media subscriptions where the agency was getting ripped off
(48:12):
having to pay too much. And the biggest one was
a twenty billion dollar pot of money parked at a
bank outside of government, a rush job at the end
of the Biden administration to offload tens of billions of dollars,
all going to eight passed through NGOs, one of which
was Stacy Abrams's NGO, which received two billion dollars even
(48:35):
though they only received one hundred dollars. In twenty twenty three,
five billion dollars went to the former employer of the
director of the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund. And a story
out this morning of somebody who was involved in the
council to design this this plan and this pot of
money got twenty million dollars for their organization that they
(48:57):
work at, even though that organization over the last few
years only raised in total just over two million. So
there's a lot there with regards to that pot of
twenty billion dollars. We're not done. It's it's wild how
much waste we've bydeed. And I'll just give you one more.
There was one hundred and sixty million dollars sent to
(49:18):
a Canadian electric vehicle school bus company as part of
the clean school Bus program. They then declared bankruptcy. They
still haven't delivered on ninety five million dollars worth of
school buses for fifty five school districts. Yes by an,
EPA gave them all one hundred and sixty million dollars
up front, and then they declared bankruptcy without performing on
(49:40):
most of the contract. We are going to end the
waste and abuse at the EPA.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, mister administrator, I was gonna say, as the sector
of an administrator of the EPA, lee explain how this works
in just the most simple layman's terms, because we're hearing
this stuff. So the EPA gives out grant millions and
millions of dollars to whatever organization some people in the
(50:06):
EPA decide should get that money to do whatever, Like,
how does that actually go?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
And what kind of oversight is there on this?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
I mean, you're finding this this obvious abuse and fraud.
But I'm just wondering, how is the process. Is it
really just as simple as the EPA says, Oh, we
like this climate change group of lunatics, We're going to
give them, you know, fifty million bucks.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
That's pretty much how it worked out. And that's a
lot of self dealing, a lot of conflicts of interest,
and it's also a lie to the American public when
you talk about terms like environmental justice or climate change
and you define them in a way that appeals to
the masses. Like, for example, with environmental justice, you say
(50:51):
that there's some community that has been left behind and
they need assistance to deal with this pressing environmental issue. Yeah,
there are a lot of people, conservatives, monarchs, liberals say like,
oh wow, this community is in need. They don't have
access to clean airline or water. What can we do
to assist, But here's the problem. In the name of
environmental justice, they'll then get fifty million dollars to an
(51:15):
organization as a left wing advocacy group that's talking about
how climate justice runs through gaza. They'll talk about climate
change in a way that appeals to the masses, and
then in the name of climate change, they'll advance policies
that would bankrupt our country if we did everything. It
will raise the rates for energy costs, it will eliminate
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choice to the point where the people who get hurt
the most of the ones who can least afford it.
The President has been outspoken on this. His words have
been criticized when he's used the term climate change hoax.
What he's been talking about, I've heard him mentioned a
few times where it was in my presence. When I've
heard him talk about it, he's talking about how there
(52:02):
are people who said that the world was imminently about
to end. You know, this was a few years ago.
I'm sure both of you guys remember this, that we're
just a few years away from the end of time,
and that we had to pass this green new deal
that would cost tens of trillions of dollars if we
did everything in this plan, and in the name of
(52:24):
climate change, there's this willingness to cause extreme economic pain
for the people to at least afford it, and it's
wrong and he wants to stop that, and he's.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Right, Lee, so much is changing.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
It feels like in terms of the president's just endorsing
basic common sense and you're talking about fraud and abuse
in the EPA. You ran for governor against Kathy Hochel.
One of the areas that seems to be moving most
aggressively towards sanity, I would say, is the New York
New Jersey area. What do you think that the first
(53:00):
thirty days has done to advance that ball moving more
and more towards sanity. We know New York, for instance,
was more competitive than Texas or California were in the
national election, which stuns people. And the Trump team feels
like if they'd had a little bit more money, they
could have flipped New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
What's really going on here?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
What are you seeing as a guy who's been in
politics for a while and is now part of this administration.
Speaker 8 (53:26):
Top issues for Americans of all walks of life are
related to the economy and crime and public safety. They
care about the illegal immigration at the border, and President
Trump in his first month in office has been working
to make tremendous progress on all of that. And we
(53:46):
see it with the efforts of ice in the Department
of Homeland Security, and he didn't waste any time. It
was something that started on day one. If you are
illegally in the country, and you're the worst of the worst,
we need to be doing everything in our power to
get you out of the country and making sure that
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we are actually securing our border. And we're sending a
message to those who haven't come yet, they might have
been on their way to come illegally into the country,
that there's a process and if you want to break
the law, you're not welcome here. And that message, I
think goes a long way inside of some of these
cities where people have experienced the secondary effects of these policies,
(54:32):
impacts on crime, budgets, healthcare, education, housing, and more. And
that progress is something that I think a lot of
Americans are saying, thank God. On another front, on the
energy front, President Trump just signed his executive order for
National Energy Dominance Council, which I'm serving on along with
(54:53):
a secretary right at Department of Energy and Doug Bergham
at the Department of Interior. And there's a big pipeline
project called Constitution Pipeline that would transport natural gas across
many states in the Northeast. And if you're a New
Yorker where they ban the safe extraction of natural gas,
(55:14):
where they are on the pace towards banning the sale
of gas power vehicles, where they do not allow gas
hookups to new construction, and they are talking about offshore
wind as if that is the replacement for baseload energy
closing indiandpoint not getting new nuclear on site opportunities to
(55:35):
have more AI data centers, but those require energy to
It's just night and day when you look at where
we were not that long ago and where we are
since President Trump was sworn into office. And here's the thing.
We're not a month in saying our work is done
here and now we're going to start coasting. We're just
getting started. This is just the beginning of what I
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believe too is a Golden age age of American success.
Just like President Trump talks about.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
Mister administrator, I want to ask you about that. To
close us out here, which is right now we've seen
whether it's what you're doing at the EPA and obviously
DOGE government wide under President Trump's approval, is getting rid
of the waste, right, the waste is bad. What are
the EPA priorities under this Trump administration that are action
(56:25):
for the environment or that are things that actually touch
on what the mission of your agency is supposed to
be other than not paying a lot of money to
left wing climate lunatics, Like, what are some of the
things you're going to try to get done as EPA administrator.
As long as you're in that role that Trump wants
you to pursue.
Speaker 8 (56:43):
Love that question. And President Trump wants clean air, land,
and water for all Americans. The core mission of EPA
is protecting human health and the environment. Right now, we
are finishing up our Phase one hazardous material removal. It
was a thirty day timeline in Los Angeles after the wildfires.
President Trump set a bold deadline. But we have over
fifteen hundred workers on the ground to be able to
(57:06):
crush that job. I was just in Flint, Michigan last week.
I've been in East Palacine, Ohio with our great new
Vice president, western North Carolina with that hurricane response. We
just got a mission assignment with the Kentucky flooding. There
is so much that we are doing right now all
across this country to ensure that we have clean Atlanta water.
(57:29):
Like President Trump wants us to set out for. Our
five pillared initiative is called powering the Great American Comeback.
We're just talking just now about Pillar one. We also
want to help unleash energy dominance, pursue permitting reform, bring
back more American auto jobs, and ensure the United States
of America is the AI capital of the world. There
(57:49):
are important priorities of this president. There are key statutory
obligations from Congress like the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act,
Safe Drinking Water Act, Toxic Substance Chemicals Act. We're going
to do our job exceptionally. We're going to follow our
obligations under the law. We were going to respect the
rule of law, and we are going to embrace cooperative
federalism to work with states across this country.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
EPA Administrator Zelden, thank you so much, sir, and please
as you continue on with these missions, we'd love to
have you back to hear how it's going, so thank
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